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House Commerce Committee- March 15, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
A
A
A
C
D
C
That
is
outstanding
before
we
get
started
today.
Do
we
have
any
personal
orders
from
our
members?
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
folks
in
town
this
week.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
sees
anybody
they
recognize
or
if
it's
all
home,
folks
that
are
here
on
a
regular
basis,
so
seeing
none
we're
going
to
move
on
down
the
line,
but
before
we
see
our
first
bill
up
we're
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
for
those
of
you
scoring
at
home.
Let's
see
we're
going
to
take
item.
5
is
rolled
one
week.
C
So
if
you
showed
up
to
hear
that
today,
you're
gonna
have
to
come
back
a
week
from
now
we're
rolling
that
one
week,
let's
see
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
do
a
little
bit.
We're
gonna
move
item,
8
house
bill
2055
to
the
lead-off
spot
on
our
calendar
today
as
a
sign
of
respect
for
chairman
reagan
and
then
also
we're
going
to
roll
house
bill
1871
to
the
heel
of
the
calendar,
so
that
in
case
that
unless
it's
more
discussion
we'll
be
able
to
get
through
the
other
items
between
there.
C
So
I
that
would
be
item.
11
is
roll
to
the
heel.
Everybody
got
that
and
that
way
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
and
and
folks
we
can.
We
can
dispense
of
our
business
otherwise.
So
with
that,
that's
what
our
lineup
today
is
going
to
look
like
first
on
our
list
now
is
chairman
reagan
with
house
bill.
2055,
chairman
reagan,
you're
recognized.
E
C
Just
a
few
hours
ago
before
I.
E
Therefore,
rather
than
take
your
time,
I
am
actually
going
to
ask
for
a
motion
from
this
committee
to
also
send
it
to
summer
study
in
the
house
out
of
respect
for
my
senate
sponsor
and
with
that
explanation,
sir,
I'm
at
the
committee's
discretion
all
righty
without
objection,
we're
going
to
send
that
to
sergeant.
C
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee
members.
If
you
were
not
on
the
subcommittee,
tennessee
and
alaska
are
the
only
two
places
in
the
united
states
that
mine,
zinc
and
together
they
produce
more
zinc
than
anywhere
in
the
world.
A
One
is
germanium
and
the
other
one
is
gallium.
Now
these
I
guess
you're
wondering
what
they're
used
for
they're
used
for
you
know:
making
transistors
electronic
devices
fiber
optics
microwave
circuits
lasers
semiconductors
just
a
wide
variety.
At
the
present
time
there
are
no
processing
facilities
in
the
united
states
for
these
two
by-products.
A
So
what
happens
is
when
this?
When
the
zinc
is
mined
in
tennessee
we
ship
germanium
and
gallium
to
china,
china
processes
it
and
then
sells
it
back
to
us.
So
what
this
urging
resolution
796
does.
Is
it
it's
a
joint
resolution
proposing
the
construction
of
a
nystar
germanium
and
gallium
recovery
facility
in
clarksville
tennessee?
C
C
Don't
agree,
I
I
don't
see
any
questions
on
that
one.
So
we've
got
a
question
on
the
bill.
All
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
house
joint
resolution
796
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
surely
not
house
bill.
796
is
our
house
joint
resolution.
796
is
on
its
way
to
calendar
rules.
I
see
chairman
hazelwood,
we
should
be
recognized
and
I
will
always
make
sure
that
is
happening.
F
And
I
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
I'm
out
of
order,
mr
chairman,
but
I
had
to
step
out
for
a
phone
call
and
didn't
have
an
opportunity
during
personal
orders.
I
wanted
to
recognize
mrs
gail
greene
and
her
daughter
emily.
They
are
my
constituents
from
signal
mountain
and
just
welcome
them
to
the
tennessee
house.
F
C
Yes,
ma'am,
we
are
so
glad
you
folks
made
it
here
today
to
see
a
fantastic
representative.
Do
her
do
her
job
here?
She
does
a
great
job
representing
you.
Next
up.
A
A
G
A
And
phase
down
the
use
of
of
those
and
it
requires
the
the
use
of
approved
substitute
chemicals.
A
These
refrigerant
refrigerants
go
undergo
mandatory
transitions
from
time
to
time,
and
this
will
allow
transition
into
the
next
generation
of
refrigerants,
which
has
a
better
environmental
profile.
A
C
Thank
you
speaker.
Any
questions
for
speaker
johnson
I
want
to
do
want
to
give
a
shout
out,
went
to
see
the
carrier
plan
operations
in
my
home
district.
A
few
weeks
back.
There
are
4
500
air
conditioning
units
coming
off
that
line
a
day,
so
it's
quite
a
quite
an
impressive
operation
and
is
a
huge
employer
in
my
district,
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
legislation
that
helps
an
industry,
that's
involved,
so
many
tennesseans
and
seeing
no
other
questions
for
speaker
johnson,
I
hear
the
question
on
the
bill.
C
C
Chairman
wendell
is
presenting
another
bill,
so
we're
going
to
roll
him
to
to
the
heel
of
the
calendar
as
well.
Next
up
is
house
bill
1698
by
chairman
jernigan.
C
H
I
may
want
speaker
johnson,
does
a
great
job
describing
stuff.
Maybe
he
could
do
mine
as
well
chairman.
I
believe
I
have
an
amendment.
I
need
to.
C
H
C
It
all
righty,
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
let's
go
ahead
and
I'll
tell
you
what
you
want
to
discuss
the
amendment
or
do
you
want.
H
It's
very
brief.
Last
in
the
subcommittee
you
had
asked
the
road
builders
and
the
pipeline
folks
to
work
something
out
they
did,
and
it
simply
requires
notification
of
at
least
three
days
before
blasting
near
a
pipeline.
C
All
righty,
I
appreciate
those
the
interested
parties
getting
together
and
resolving
this
issue.
I
think
that
we,
I
can
tell
you
that
chairman
jernigan's
been
very
diligent
and
patient
all
at
the
same
time.
So
I
appreciate
that
let's
get
a
vote
on
the
amendment.
Amendment
number
one
to
this
bill,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
hearing.
None
amendments
on
the
bill
now
then
tell
us
about
your
bill.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
chairman
house,
bill
1698,
will
modernize
and
update
blasting
standards
by
eliminating
outdated
blast
vibration,
compliance
options,
restructuring
and
clarifying
blast
notification
requirements
and
providing
administrative
support
for
market
and
industry
changes.
This
bill
specifically
will
lower
vibrations.
It
will
increase
communications
with
the
public
and
clean
up
and
remove
standards.
They've
been
on
the
books
since
1975.
H
last
year
I
had
a
lot
of
residential
blasting
in
my
area,
which
put
it
on
my
radar
screen,
and
I
got
with
the
with
the
road
builders
and
we
worked
for
several
months
to
come
up
with
this
bill
and
then
the
pipeline
folks
are
on
board
now
and
it's
just
much
needed
changes,
and
I
was
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
would
have.
C
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
believe
that,
from
talking
with
the
interested
parties,
this
was
one
of
those
cases
where
everyone
agreed
with
you
that
a
update
to
the
standards
was
due
and
we
appreciate
you
bringing
that
in
front
of
us
and
again
your
patience
and
dealing
with
this
getting
it
in
the
getting
all
of
our
parties
settled
to
it.
So
I
don't
see
any
hands
up
with
that.
C
I
It
will
specifically
allow
a
path
to
licenses
for
the
for
those
with
master's
degrees
or
an
engineering
technology
degree
and
those
who
take
the
principal
pe
exam
prior
to
completing
the
required
experiences,
and
I
think
they
have
to
have
eight
years
of
experience
in
that
field
as
well.
This
language
would
develop
by
the
licensing
board
was
developed
by
the
licensing
board
after
several
years
of
study.
I
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
not
a
question
just
a
statement.
Mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill.
I
like
it
so
much
I
signed
on
as
a
co-sponsor,
because
I
think
it's
just
another
way
to
make
sure
that
we
have
opportunities
for
people
who
may
be
you
know
when
they
were
going
through
their
educational
process.
They
didn't
have
the
time
or
the
resources
to
complete
an
engineering
degree,
but
with
the
experience
that
they've
had.
F
So
thank
you
for
working
with
the
industry
and
bringing
the
spill,
something
that
all
of
those
like
our
chairman
of
this
elect
body
is
a
member
of
that
profession,
and
I
think
those
folks
are
comfortable
with
this,
and
I
again
I
just
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
are
providing
opportunities
and
pathways
for
people
to
further
their
professional
development,
using
the
experience
that
they've
gained.
So
thank
you.
C
C
C
E
Chairman
members
house,
bill
2267
amends
the
online
marketplace
facilitator
act.
This
legislation
clarifies
that
an
auctioneer
is
not
considered
a
facilitator
for
purposes
of
the
online
marketplace.
Facilitator
act
in
the
nutshell.
Auctioneers
have
been
specifically
exempt
from
collecting
sales
tax
since
the
70s,
and
so
the
2020
act
enacted
a
new
tax
on
the
auction
industry
and
costing
a
buyer
more
money
and
affecting
the
value
of
a
seller's
property.
C
I
have
one
from
representative
towns,
representative
towns.
B
C
C
House
bill
house
bill
8
again,
has
been
we've
sent
it
to
summer
study.
So
now
we're
on
item
number
nine
representative
cochran
with
house
bill
2632.
C
We
have
a
motion
and
was
that
a
second.
B
D
You
chairman
in
committee,
and
do
we
need
to
take
further
action
on
that
amendment
that
was
put
on
given.
C
D
Attached
all
right,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
what
household
2632
does
essentially
there's
a
there's:
a
group
of
wireless
providers
who
provide
cellular
phones
to
to
low
to
folks
who
are
of
low
income.
41
states
regulate
this
themselves,
and
so
basically,
this
puts
tennessee
in
that,
but
it
takes
authority
back
from
the
fcc
and
gives
it
to
the
state.
D
Obviously,
the
state
is
just
quicker
and
more
efficient
in
in
issuing
these
licenses
and
so
again
we're
we're
joining
the
vast
majority
of
states
bringing
this
to
a
local
to
local
level,
taking
away
from
the
feds,
and
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
and
that
goes
to
the
public
utilities.
Commission
they're
in
favor
of
this
as
well
and
I'll
yield
any
questions.
C
All
righty,
thank
you,
mr
sponsor
any
questions
for
the
sponsor.
I
see
no
hands
up,
therefore.
We
are
going
to
call
the
question
on
the
bill.
All
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2632,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
hearing,
none
the
eyes,
have
it
you're
off
calder
and
rules.
Representative
cochran.
Thank
you,
chairman
committee,
all
right,
representative
halsey.
We
are
going
to
talk
about
house
bill
2069.
K
K
I
don't
think
anybody
would
argue
that
money
and
physical
risk
have
never
been
more
pronounced
in
our
nation's
history
than
right
now
and
looking
ahead
at
least
what
scares
me
looming
in
the
future,
the
next
phase
of
the
deep
state,
I
think
their
plan
will
be
to
roll
out
a
central
central
bank
digital
currency
and
then
follow
that
with
a
universal
basic
income
seems
to
be
what
their
plans
are,
and
so
that
brought
about
this
seven
years
ago
we
ran
a
or
I
ran
a
resolution
in
the
house
and
the
senate
that
passed
a
hundred
percent
that
we
would
establish
a
gold
depository
and
so
for
seven
years,
I've
been
working
at
that
and
finally,
we're
to
the
place
where
we
have
investors
who
want
to
build
it,
staff
it
and
maintain
it
so
that
there
is
no
cost
to
tennessee
taxpayers
at
all.
K
They
will
build,
they
will
build
it
it.
It
will
be
under
the
purview
of
the
treasure
of
tennessee
in
exchange
for
that
they
only
wanted
two
things:
they
wanted
to
be
able
to
use
the
words
tennessee
state
gold
depository
and
they
wanted
to
be
audited
by
the
comptroller's
office
at
least
once
a
year
and
they'll
pay
for
the
audit.
K
So
we
we
don't
have
a
dime
in
it,
but
we
get
to
control
it
and
that's
pretty
much
what
it's
about,
and
I'm
just
happy
to
be
here
and
we.
C
Too,
are
happy
that
you're
here,
it's
always
better
to
be
seen
than
viewed.
I've
figured
that
out.
In
my
my
time,
we've
got
an
amendment
that
we
need
to
place
on
this
bill
makes
bill.
It's
amendment
zero
one,
five,
four,
four
five!
C
E
Chairman
powers,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
H
K
This
this
bill
doesn't
address
that
it
does
give
you
leverage
and
it
gives
you
an
option
down
the
road
it
doesn't
deal
with
cash.
E
I
didn't
think
it
did
it's
billed
as
golden
we're,
we're
I'm
going
to
be
voting
for
it.
Yes,
sir.
C
Thank
you
very
much
chairman
zachary.
L
I
think
it's
interesting
that
we're
taking
this
up
today
when
about
an
hour
ago,
saudi
arabia
announced
that
it's
going
to
enter
into
negotiations
with
china
to
accept
the
wan
for
their
oil
purchases,
and
most
people
will
know
that
our
primary
driver
for
our
currency
is
the
fact
that
we're
the
reserve
currency
of
the
world
and
the
petro
dollar
since
the
70s
has
been
purchased
to
buy
oil
and,
as
we
see
a
transition
in
the
world
related
to
us
being
the
reserve
currency,
I
can't
think
of
a
better
day
or
better
time
to
be
having
this
discussion
about
a
depository
and
voting
in
favor
of
establishing
that
here
in
tennessee.
L
K
Just
as
a
follow-up
and
thank
you,
the
in
china,
the
the
digital
one
now
going
to
a
central
bank,
digital
currency,
they
they
can
completely
keep
up
and
dictate
the
behavior
of
everybody
in
that
country.
In
that
communist
country.
K
They
granularly
can
know
exactly
what
you
do,
what
you
purchase
and
when
you
purchase
it,
and
they
have
assigned
actually
with
your
digital
currency,
a
social
score
that
if
you
don't
behave
or
do
what
you're
told
or
say
what
you're
supposed
to
say,
your
score
can
keep
you
from
shopping
at
certain
places.
It
can
keep
you
from
travel,
and
this
would
put
us
way
ahead
when
those
times
come
here.
Representative
towns.
B
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
chairman
halsey,
thank
you
for
that
that
commentary
as
well,
I
kind
of
keep
up
with
that
kind
of
stuff
and
it's
so
dangerous.
I
hope
this
country
never
see
the
light
of
day
of
some
ignorance
and
some
madness,
as
you
just
discussed.
That
is
very,
very
dangerous.
That's
happening
in
canada,
but
not
canada,
but
in
china,
but
try
it
tend
to
spread
across
the
globe,
because
people
don't
think
you
know,
there's
no
reason
for
a
government
to
be
able
to
control
and
micromanage
and
see
everything
that
you
as
a
citizen
do.
B
That
is
horrible,
very
horrible.
What
I
have
for
you
is
the
question
as
it
relates
to
this
particular
bill.
Good
bill
is
whether
or
not
when
people
get
a
little
antsy
and
they
need
to
go
and
expect.
Can
inspection
be
called
to
make
sure
that
the
goal
is
there
at
any
given
time
by
the
state
of
tennessee
and
chairman
halsey.
K
B
Representative
townsend,
what?
If
you
need
because
of
the
climate
in
the
country,
the
climate
in
tennessee
things
change?
It
could
be
a
little
hysteria
here
and
there
based
upon
what's
happening
in
social
media
and
people
start
believing
certain
things.
Can
the
state
check
it
more
than
once
if
they
need
to.
K
C
All
righty
we've
got
a
question
on
the
bill.
All
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2069,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
No,
I
hear
none
of
that
so
house.
Bill
2069
is
on
its
way
to
gov
ops
and
chairman
halls.
If
you
don't
mind
we're
gonna
blow
we're
gonna
expedite
the
rest
of
this
calendar
be
right
back
to
you
shortly,
sir.
Okay,
do
I'm.
K
Supposed
to
be
in
ag
is
that
all
right
to
run
there
and
send
the
sergeant
to
get
me
or
do
you
want
me
to
wait.
C
You
know
what
chairman
halsey,
let
I'm
gonna
reconsider
my
action
of
roll
calling
this
we're
going
to
handle
you
right
now.
We've
got
a
good
head
of
momentum
on.
We
will
let
you
fulfill
your
duties.
K
All
this
bill
says
is
that
natural
immunity
is
just
as
effective
as
good
or
better
than
the
the
covet
19
shot,
and
I
have
reams
of
studies
to
show
that
we
had
professional
testimony
to
to
verify
that
in
the
the
two
health
committees-
and
it
says
that
in
this
state
businesses
and
everybody
else
will
recognize
that
natural
immunity
is
as
good
and
then
that's.
The
whole
point
of
the
bill
is
for
that
kind
of
recognition.
C
Thank
you,
sir,
and
it's
mine.
Well,
I
know
I
heard
this
bill
in
full
health
and
it's
been,
it's
been
vetted
there
several
times.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
this.
My
wife
and
I
struggled
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
was
going
on,
but
the
the
comparison
between
natural
immunity
and
the
shot
and
as
time
has
gone
on,
we've
had
more
more
and
more
studies
and
I
think
we're
in
a
different
place
these
days
than
we
were
when
we
were
scrambling
around
trying
to
deal
with
the
crisis.
C
B
Natural
immunity,
mr
chairman,
would
that
be
equivalent
to
what
god
gives
us
once
we've
gone
through
a
process,
that's
exactly
correct,
so
who's
gonna
beat
the
lord.
B
K
J
Thank
you
for
the
promotion
and
mr,
mr
chairman,
so
you
know
the
cdc
has
said
that
vaccinations
are
are
at
least
twice
as
much
more
effective
than
natural
immunity
and
other
studies
have
said
the
same
thing.
So
you're
saying
that
all
those
studies
are
invalid.
They're
not
really
true.
K
Chairman
halsey,
I'm
saying
two
things.
There
are
very
very
many
credible
studies
that
show
just
the
opposite
that
it
is
robust
that
it
lasts
a
long
time
that
the
memory
from
t
cells
last
a
long
time
and
I'm
agreeing
with
the
the
gentleman
right
beside
you
that
I
don't
think
anybody
in
a
lab
can
design
an
immune
system
that
is
superior
to
the
one.
The
creator
of
this
universe,
designed.
J
I'm
I
representative
thompson
you're
recognizing,
excuse
me:
I'm
not
going
to
go
against
all
the
studies.
That
said
just
the
opposite
of
what
you're
saying
so
I'm
I'm
just
gonna
have
to
vote
no
and
and
personally
I've
had
coveted
and
I've
had
vaccinations.
So
I
don't
know
which
one's
better
for
me
personally.
But
the
studies
just
said
vaccinations
are
better.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
halsey,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
and
just
to
put
this
on
the
record
on
january
19th.
This
article
is
in
reuters
the
cdc
put
out
a
study
that
cove
infection
is
up
to
six
times
more
effective,
more
effective
than
vaccination
is,
and
the
immunity
from
vaccination
again.
Look
that
up
yourself,
it's
on
reuters
january
19th
of
this
year.
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
facts
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
evidence-based
data,
let's
talk
about
the
studies.
Let's
talk
about
the
data
again,
please
look
this
up.
L
F
K
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
had
a
question
about
what
chairman
zachary
just
mentioned.
Were
you
saying
that
after
you've
had
the
covet
19
you
build
up
these
antibodies
and.
K
C
I
believe,
yes,
that
that
is
the
case
and
that
we've
seen
studies
from
that
I've
I
there
there
have
been
a
several
of
them
and
that's
why
in
in
my
estimation,
the
one
thing
that
we
need
to
do
more
than
anything,
particularly
as
we
ride
this
and
I'm
going
to
editorialize
a
little
bit,
don't
get
your
medical
advice
from
twitter
or
facebook
go
see
your
doctor
work
with
your
clinician
to
establish
the
best
plan
for
you
as
an
individual,
so
you
can
know
all
the
risks
and
all
the
rewards
from
the
treatment
pattern
that
you've
gotten,
and
so
we
can,
these
days,
there's
information
out
there
overload
and
some
that
is
placed
for
for
less
than
beneficial
purposes.
C
And
so,
from
my
perspective,
I
just
want
everybody
to
have
that
type
of
relationship.
So
you
can
have
as
much
information
from
the
person.
That's
helping
you
decide
your
personal
health
care
plan,
and
so
with
that,
I
will
climb
down
off
my
soapbox
and
recognize
leader
camper
one
more
time.
M
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
know
the
commentary.
Actually
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
what
I
thought
he
said
so
good.
I
was
glad
to
know
that's
what
you
said
so
my
next
question,
mr
chairman,
is
the
licensed
physician
that
chair
lady
just
spoke
of
mr
sponsor,
is:
are
you
talking
about
a
medical
doctor?
What
type
of
physician
or
does
it
matter
or.
K
Chairman
halsey,
the
the
amendment
is
specific
to
a
medical
doctor.
I
believe
yes.
A
A
guy
came
in
my
office
last
spring.
I
guess
didn't
know
him
hadn't
seen
him
before
since,
and
he
said
I
understand
you
and
your
wife
were
real
sick
with
kobe,
and
I
said
we
sure
were
he
said
and
you
donated
the
antibodies,
the
plasma
and
the
head
antibodies.
I
said
yes,
sir,
he
said
I
was
saying
my
last
prayers,
because
I
knew
I
was
going
to
die
in
a
few
minutes
and
the
doctor
came
in
and
said,
we've
got
something
we're
going
to
give
you
we
think
will
help
you.
A
He
said
three
days
I
was
home,
so
I
believe
in
antibodies.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
bud.
Thank.
C
We
see
the
light
in
the
tunnel
tunnel
and
we're
getting
out
of
this,
so
I
I
noticed
I
was
following
the
the
the
positive
cases
in
shelby
county
over
the
last
three
days
on
the
13th
we
had
20
on
the
14th
we
had
11
and
today,
we've
had
14
positive
cases
that
looks
like
the
beginning
of
an
endemic
as
opposed
to
a
pandemic,
and
I
know
that
we
are
all
very
grateful
where
we
are
so
seeing
no
more
conversation
to
be
had
on
this
matter.
C
We've
got
a
question
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
chairman
halsey's
bill
1871
to
calvin
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
all
righty.
Please
register
those
no's
with
the
clerk.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
committee.
Thank
you,
chairman
halsey
house,
bill
2242
by
representative
ogles.
C
We've
got
a
motion
in
a
second
you're
in
proper
posture.
Sir
we've
also
got
an
amendment
that
we
need
to
deal
with
and
since
it
rewrites
the
bill,
let's
take
care
of
that
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping.
Before
we
hear
about
it
motion
on
the
amendment
and
then
we've
got
drafting
code
0-1-4-3-9-9
does
that
correspond
with
yours.
C
G
Thank
you,
chairman
of
the
members
for
committee.
This
piece
of
legislation
came
out
of
the
tragedy
that
happened
in
nashville.
G
The
fire
marshal
to
do
is
to
adopt
minimal
standards,
safety
standards
to
propagate
rules,
in
accordance
with
the
department
of
safety
to
include
minimal
status
standards
for
multi,
multi-level
commercial
and
residential
structures
relative
to
mitigating
structural
collapse.
That
may
result
from
explosive
devices
specifically
methods
to
deter
entry
into
the
structure
from
a
motor
vehicle
and
members
not
to
get
too
into
detailed,
but
you'll
notice.
G
When
you
see
some
buildings
downtown
nashville,
there
there's
conditions
that
go
directly
from
street
level,
where
you
see
large,
large
spans
of
glass
and
there's
absolutely
nothing
to
deter
even
a
drunken
driver
from
entering
that
veh
entering
that
space
veering
from
a
lane
of
high
speed
traffic
and
entering
the
interior
of
a
large
building
that
may
have
very
high
occupancy
rates.
So
members
that
that's
the
that's
the
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
with
this
legislation,
just
some
minimal
standards
that
make
sense.
C
All
righty
do
we
have
any
questions,
questions
for
the
sponsor
representative
powell.
J
Thank
you.
Obviously,
you
know
the
event
you
spoke
of
was
targeted
here
in
nashville
and
very
tragic
event,
but
just
a
question:
is
there
any
other
states
or
communities
that
are
looking
at
this
or
is?
Do
you
think
it's?
This
is
a
an
issue
that
is
applicable
in
other
areas
or,
if
you
could
speak
to
that,
I'm
just
curious
if
this
is
kind
of
an
ongoing
industry-wide
problem.
Mr.
C
G
Thank
you,
chairman,
there's,
definitely
depending
on
kind
of
what
the
building
is
specifically
intended
for,
for
instance,
our
federal
buildings
and
many
state
buildings,
because
they're
assessed
as
kind
of
a
high
risk
target,
there's
definitely
different
standards
that
are
met
in
the
construction
of
that.
However,
in
the
state
of
tennessee
right
now,
we
don't
have
a
minimum
standard
standards.
G
Excuse
me
for
just
high-density
multi-level
residential
and
commercial
buildings,
so
so
the
standards
we
would
put
on,
for
instance,
a
a
building
that
members
of
the
general
assembly
are
in
or
a
federal
courthouse
or
a
a
state
court.
Any
other
courthouse
we're
not,
and
I
and
don't
misconstrue
that
as
saying
that
those
same
standards
should
apply,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
minimal
standard.
Just
that
kind
of
mimics.
G
Common
sense
to
be
sure
that
we're
not
we're
not
creating
a
situation
that
could
potentially
be
extremely
hazardous.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
event
that
you
described
you
know
and
a
vehicle
with
explosives
in
it
is
extraordinarily
rare.
I
mean
very,
very,
very,
very
rare,
especially
you
know
when
you
look
at
our
state,
even
one
once
you
know
it's
happened,
and
that
was
a
couple
years
ago
now
I
guess
what
what
kind
of
expense
are
you
talking
about
and
what?
N
G
Thank
you
for
that
question.
That's
a
good
question
more
more
along
the
lines
of
like
right
now.
If
you've
been
down
on
broadway
in
the
last
several
weeks,
you'll
see
lines
of
newly
installed,
we
call
those
bollards,
they're,
they're
shiny.
They
look
real
pretty
a
lot
of
those
are
sitting
sideways
right
now,
that's
what
happens
when
you
try
to
retrofit
a
sidewalk
or
a
building
with
something
that's
meant
to
to
protect
the
general
public.
G
Retrofits
are
extremely
hard,
they're,
extremely
costly,
costly
and
sometimes
they're
they're
more
aesthetic
than
anything
when,
when
bollards
and
and
these
these,
these
building
techniques
are
done
just
the
same
way.
We
do,
for
instance,
guard
rails
on
our
state
interstates
when
done
properly
those
go
down
three
to
four
times
what
you
see
visual
into
the
ground,
so
it's
actually
effective
at
what
do
it
doing
what
we
intend
it
to
do
when
we
take,
we
take
a
piece
of
metal
and
put
four
screws
in
it
to
the
sidewalk.
G
It's
really
not
going
to
do
what's
intended,
so
this
would
just
allow
on
the
front
at
the
beginning
of
the
construction
phase,
just
to
ensure
that
anything
that
needs
to
be
done
to
keep
vehicles
from
the
lane
of
traffic
directly
from
entering
a
building.
It's
done
correctly.
There's
there's
reinforced
concrete
steel.
Rebar,
that's
done
in
the
construction
pre-phase
before
that
concentrate
kind
of
concrete
is
installed
rather
than
after
the
fact
retrofit.
N
But
are
you
suggesting
that
every
single
building
built
from
the
signing
of
this
bill
or
implementation
of
this
bill
going
forward,
that
is
a
large
building
that
maybe
has
a
lot
of
apartments
in
it
or
office
space
multi-story
that
every
single
building
be
fortified
with
ballards
outside
because,
like
I
said,
the
event
that
we're
talking
about
is
extraordinarily
rare
and
even
if
someone
parked
next
to
the
ballards
and
exploded
a
van
full
of
explosives,
those
ballards
wouldn't
do
anything
to
that
building
to
protect
that
building
they
they
really
wouldn't
it
at
all.
N
G
I
wouldn't
say
every
building,
but
I
would
suggest
that
high
occupancy
buildings,
especially
like,
for
instance,
our
food
courts.
I
think
that
should
be
specific
and
that's
why
we've
allowed
the
fire
marshal
to
propagate
rules
in
conjunction
with
the
department
of
safety
and
homeland
security,
for
instance,
the
high
capacity
food
courts,
areas
in
which
there
would
be
lots
of
individuals
sitting
or
gathered,
not
so
much
even
for
explosives.
G
Just
just
entry
from
a
vehicle
directly
into
a
building
that
just
to
me,
seems
like
common
sense
that
we
shouldn't
even
have
to
be
considering
whether
or
not
that
would
be
a
possibility.
Years
ago.
G
Just
recently,
buildings
were
not
even
construction
constructed
with
ability
to
do
that,
but
because
of
the
new
technology
and
new,
our
new
facilities
to
produce
large
glass
storefronts
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
that
into
the
design
with
there's.
No
there's
no
exterior
elements
that
have
any
structural
value
whatsoever.
You
can
literally
cantilever
the
the
facade
of
a
building,
put
some
curtain
walls
of
glass
up
and
just
and
it's
beautiful-
and
I
don't
don't-
take
this
as
a
trying
to
stop
by
design
method.
G
But
there's
several
things
we
could
do
simply
coming
in
at
a
three
or
four
foot
level,
putting
a
horizontal
piece
of
structural
steel,
that's
side,
that's
tied
to
the
that
the
concrete
pillars
I
mean:
there's
lots
of
things
that
we
could
do
to
make
these
buildings
much
safer.
That
aesthetically
would
still
look
the
same.
C
All
right,
representative
lynn,
I
can
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
is
this
bill,
does
not
prescribe
what
mitigating
methods
are
implored
or
employed
in
this.
It's
more
bringing
this
attention
to
ask
the
state
fire
marshal
and
the
building
codes
folks
to
promulgate
rules
if
necessary,
we're
not
intervening
ourselves
in
the
code
making
process.
What
we're
doing
is
we
the
way
that
I
read
this
bill?
Is
that
it's
saying
hey?
C
It's
for
those
professionals
in
that
field
to
take
a
look
at
this
as
a
consideration
moving
forward
so
because,
honestly,
to
begin
with,
I'm
in
the
I'm
in
the
real
estate
business
and
I'm
saying:
hey
we're
dictating
means
and
methods
to
developers
and
investors
and
other
people,
I
think
we
ought
to
leave
that
to
the
codes
people
in
this.
This
bill
allows
that
to
happen,
we're
not
we're
not
prescribing
the
cure
for
a
perceived
problem.
Representative.
N
Well,
I
was
also
thinking
about
the
insurance
industry
and
how
you
know
they
determine
risk,
and
you
know
if
they
determined
that
it
was
such
a
large
risk.
They
would
be
asking
for
the
standard
as
well,
but
thank
you.
J
I
mean
no
offense
by
this
comment,
but
I
I
appreciate,
maybe
with
some
insurance
and
risk
and
in
loss
of
expense
and
capital,
what
that
includes,
but
making
sure
that
we
secure
the
safety
of
individuals
there's
no
amount
of
money.
In
my
opinion,
that
can
replace
loved
ones
that
I
might
lose
or
that
you
might
lose
and
I
think
by
simply
looking
at
these
design
standards
to
make
sure
that
the
public
appreciates
when
they
walk
into
a
building,
there's
a
certain
level
of
expectation
they
have
for
safety
and
moving
forward.
J
I
think
the
sponsors
brought
up
some
really
good
points
here,
just
looking
at
this
to
make
sure
that
we
are
protecting
people.
Unfortunately,
you
know
we
continue
to
live
in
a
world
where
people
are
looking
at
tactics.
You
know
and-
and
you
know
have
have
ill
intentions-
and
you
know
again,
I
reference
this.
This
happened
downtown
christmas,
not
too
long
ago
here
in
nashville,
tennessee
and
unfortunately,
no
one
was
was
killed
in
that
incident.
J
That
happened,
but
I
think
back
to
you
know,
oklahoma
city,
I
think
back
to
the
world
trade
center
was
bombed
before
it
was
bombed
on
on
9
11..
Unfortunately,
surviv
you
know
survived
that
attack,
but
then
was
attacked
by
planes.
So
I
think
looking
at
this
and
and
and
seeing
if
it
makes
sense,
I
mean
who
knows
we
might
be
the
leader
in
the
country
at
changing
design
standards
for
buildings,
especially
when
you're
talking
about
state
buildings,
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
J
C
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
community.
What
this
bill
does
is
in
the
rural
area.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
getting
their
water
from
wells
and
springs,
and
some
of
them
are
living
in
an
area
that
water
is
utility.
Water
is
close
to
them,
but
they're,
not
in
their
district
back
in
the
1930s.
E
E
E
C
Thank
you,
representative
sexton,
and
for
those
of
us
who
were
in
attendance
at
our
learning
sessions
earlier
this
year.
You
can
see
that
this
bill
is
probably
one
that
we
need
to
have
in
place
my
little
bit
of
editorial
commentary.
So
I
don't
see
any
more
questions.
All
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
2518,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed
hearing.
None
2518
is
off
to
calendar
rules.
C
That
is
what
I'm
showing
as
well,
let's
since
that
rewrites
the
bill.
Let's
get
that
thing
attached
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
on
our
scorecard.
It's
amendment
number
two,
but
the
drafting
code
is
15
273.
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
No,
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
on
the
amended
bill
chairman
boyd.
Thank.
D
You,
mr
chairman
members,
you
don't
have
to
turn
the
tv
long
on
long
at
all
now
to
hear
reference
or
or
threats
of
cyber
attacks,
whether
it
be
a
belligerent
foreign
state,
whether
it
be
terrorism
or
whether
it
be
someone
holding
a
a
utility
ransom
through
ransomware,
and
so
what
this
bill
does.
Is
it
says
that
utilities
in
tennessee,
and
that
would
be
natural
gas
utilities
that
would
be
water,
wastewater
and
electrical
utilities,
are
required
to
develop
and
maintain
a
cyber
security
plan?
And
we
don't
want
to
see
that
plan.
D
We
believe
that
it
would
be
dangerous
for
people
to
have
eyes
on
that.
So
we
know
that's
proprietary
and
top
secret,
but
we
do
want
them
to
certify
that
they
have
a
plan
and
if
they
don't
we'd
like
to
help
them
make
one
and
private
utilities
will
give
that
certification
to
the
to
tpuck,
with
the
exception
of
electrical
co-ops,
who
will
join
in
with
the
public
utilities
and
will
do
that
during
their
annual
audit
to
the
comptroller.
D
C
C
The
question
on
chairman
boyd's
bill
for
house
bill
two:
three,
four:
six,
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
No
2346
is
off
to
gov,
ops
and
representative
powell.
I
must
apologize
to
you
because
I
was
looking
on
my
marked
calendar
and
2643
is
down
there
by
itself
with
all
the
explanation
behind
it
and
I
just
flat
skipped
over
it.
J
C
E
C
That,
let's
get
that
amendment
attached
and
then
we'll
just
talk
about
everything
chairman
wendell,
that's
fair,
not
motion
on
the
amendment.
Okay,
on
the
amendment,
I've
got
a
second
all
in
favor
of
attaching
the
amendment
since
it
rewrites
the
bill.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
No,
we
are
now
attached.
We
are
now
back
to
the
bill
chairman
wendell.
E
Mr
chairman
of
members,
I
accepted
this
amendment
at
the
request
of
the
governor's
office
and
this
simply
allows
the
discretion
to
be
provided
to
the
employer,
but
it
does
provide
for
an
employee's
day
off
on
veterans
day
if
they
are
a
veteran
and
they
provide
the
adequate
notice.
But
the
governor's
office
asking
for
a
simple
amendment
to
allow
the
deploy
employer
to
have
discretion,
and
I
agreed
to
that-
and
I
think
it
makes
the
bill
better
and
I'd
appreciate
your
consideration.
C
E
Chairman,
I
want
to
give
a
special
thanks
for
the
input
of
joe
towns
on
this
bill.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
and
folks
we're
we
are
nigh
in
the
life
of
our
committee.
Hopefully
next
week
will
be
the
last
time
that
we
gather.
I
want
to
congratulate
you
all.
We
we
disposed
of
15
bills
today
in
just
under
an
hour,
but
if
y'all
will
buckle
in
next
week,
hopefully
we
can
conclude
our
business
for
the
year
representative
towns.
I
cannot
wait
to
hear
what
you're
being
recognized
about.
B
The
chairman
you're
a
good
man,
you
got
good
eyes
and
you
did
right
to
recognize
me.
There
was
some
distinguished
men
that
came
in
in
this
room
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
them
before
we
got
out
of
here.
I
saw
some
men
from
the
distinguished
fraternity
of
alpha
phi
alpha.
If
you
don't
mind
what
y'all
stand
up
want
to
make,
these
guys
feel
welcome
with
us
we're
doing
a
9
11
day
my
fraternity,
never
attorney
today.