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House Business and Utilities Subcommittee - February 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 3
A
A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk,
I'll
detect
a
quorum.
Do
any
members
have
any
personal
orders
before
we
begin
today
see
none,
let's
go
ahead
and
begin
a
little
housekeeping
here.
Item
number
one
has
been
taken
off
of
notice
since
this
bill's
been
a
calendar
three
times
it
is
referred
to
the
special
calendar
to
be
published
with
the
final
calendar
and
next
up
we
have
item
number
two.
That's
house
bill,
1946
by
representative
hasten.
A
C
My
office
hopefully
sent
out
an
example
of
this
letter
that
to
your
email,
inboxes,
and
I
get
one
or
two
of
these
a
month,
and
some
of
you
may
get
them
as
well.
What
really
happens
is
is
a
lot
of
time
from
out
of
state
businesses
will
send
in
a
contract
and
offer
to
buy
someone's
real
estate,
usually
at
a
very
low
rate.
A
D
C
D
Yeah,
I
would
look
at
this
as
a
good
start.
It's
we
have
a
this
is
seems
to
be
geared
towards
rural
areas,
which
I
can
definitely
see
your
problem,
and
we
have
a
similar
problem
in
urban
areas
that
I've
been
solicited
myself
about
five
times
this
week
already
to
buy
my
home
and
turn
it
into
rental
property.
You
know
so
anyway.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
sponsor.
You
have
anything.
A
No
okay,
members
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor.
The
question
has
been
called
for
without
objection,
members,
we
are
voting
on
house
bill,
1946,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
the
eyes
have
it
the
bill's
on
its
way
to
full
commerce.
Thank
you.
Members.
Next
up,
we
have
item
number
three.
That's
house
bill,
1831
by
representative
lamar.
E
A
A
E
Sounds
great,
thank
you
so
much.
This
bill
that
I
am
proposing
today
is
installed
natural
gas
detectors
and
homes.
What
we've
seen
across
this
nation
in
tennessee,
we
have
eight
aging
main
pipes
between
50
and
100
years
old
that
cause
gas
leaks
and
they
lead
to
explosions.
There
are
1.3
million
miles
of
gas
main
pipes
and
only
5.6
miles
of
pipes
are
replaced
each
year
again
as
1.3
million,
but
only
5.6
miles
of
these
gas
pipes
are
fixed
a
year.
E
4
200
home
structure
fires
are
started
via
natural
gas
explosions
every
year
and
that's
according
to
the
pipeline
hazardous
materials,
safety,
administration,
2008,
study,
2018
study.
Excuse
me
every
two
days:
a
explosion
happens
involving
natural
gas
pipelines,
40
people
die
and
140
people
are
injured
every
year
from
gas
explosions.
E
E
In
november
12
of
2018
in
anderson
county,
a
78-year-old
man
was
hospitalized
and
of
september
3rd
20
in
memphis
tennessee,
seven
people
were
seriously
injured
from
a
gas
explosion
february,
1st
2021
in
nashville,
a
firefighter
lost
his
home
and
all
his
family
belongings,
because
of
a
natural
gas
explosion,
and
on
february
17
2021
in
sevierville.
That
was
a
natural
gas
explosion.
You've
also
seen
recently
in
the
news
and
17
people
died
in
a
bronx
from
a
gas
explosion,
and
numbers
of
numerous
people
died
in
philly
from
a
gas
explosion.
E
Now
what
my
bill
does
is
you
see
there
is
an
actual
problem
when
it
comes
to
natural
gas
detection
in
our
homes,
but
what
my
bill
does
is
to
start
that
process,
providing
more
protections
for
people
from
natural
gas
explosion.
So
what
my
bill
would
do
is
require
apartment
buildings
and
rental
properties
to
have
a
natural
gas
detector
if
they
have
natural
gas
appliances
in
their
homes.
E
So
this
is
a
preventative
and
proactive
measure,
we're
taking
to
reduce
the
probability
or
the
likelihood
that
someone
dies
from
a
gas
explosion,
because
what
we
do
know
is
sometimes
you
can't
even
smell
the
gas
as
data
has
proven,
and
so
what
this
is
something
that
is
is
about
public
safety.
It's
a
real
issue,
that's
going
on!
It's
an
issue,
that's
happening
not
only
in
our
urban
community
communities
but
in
our
rural
communities
too,
and
so
I
wanted
to
present
this
bill
to
offer
a
solution.
Average.
E
The
average
cost
of
a
gas
detector
is
only
80
bucks,
85
bucks,
it's
not
a
heavy,
lift,
it's
not
very,
very
expensive,
and
if
we're
taking,
if
landlords
are
taking
the
responsibility
to
house
someone,
they
have
to
take
the
responsibility
of
providing
a
a
living
facility
that
is
safe,
and
what
we
do
know
here
in
tennessee
is
that
there
are
approximately
2.5
million
apartments
and
about
40
of
those
have
gas
natural
gas
use
in
them.
So
with
that
being
said,
that's
the
explanation
of
my
bill
and
why
I'm
pushing
it.
A
F
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
the
committee
members.
My
name
is
ron
lazarus
and
I'm
the
ceo
of
new
cosmos,
usa
and
I'm
here
to
support
representative
lamar
and
in
the
support
of
the
house,
bill
1831
for
the
installation
of
natural
gas
alarms
and
residential
cons.
You
know
homes,
so
I
thought
I'd
give
you
maybe
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
F
I've
spent
about
30
years
in
the
life
safety
products
industry,
I'm
currently,
as
I
mentioned,
ceo
of
natural
of
new
cosmos,
usa,
I'm
a
voting
member
for
the
nfpa
715
committee
and
we're
in
the
process
of
developing
a
standard
for
natural
gas
alarms
and
the
standard
right
now.
The
way
it's
being
proposed
will
require
one
gas
alarm
in
every
room
where
there's
a
natural
gas
appliance.
F
So
representative
lamar
reviewed
a
few
items
and
I
was
just
going
to
add
some
additional
items
regarding
natural
gas
and
how
natural
gas
alarms
save
lives
in
new
york.
As
you've
probably
heard,
there's
been
several
gas
explosions
over
the
last
few
years.
Most
recently
in
the
last
three
weeks
has
probably
been
two
other
gas
explosions
that
were
you
know.
F
People's
lives
were
lost
con
edison,
the
gas
alarm
utility
in
new
york
is
actually
the
first
utility
to
start
installing
natural
gas
alarms
in
people's
homes,
they've
installed
about
85,
000
alarms
and
since
then,
they've
actually
found
over
800
gas
leaks.
Those
are
leaks
that
would
have
gone
undetected
without
our
alarms.
F
F
There
it's
required
now
that
natural
gas
be
installed.
The
natural
gas
alarms
be
installed
since
then,
literally
since
2019
there's
been
zero
deaths
as
a
result
of
gas
explosions,
so
gas
alarms
definitely
make
a
difference,
and,
as
representative
lamar
mentioned,
natural
gas
is
really
odorless
and
utility
companies
they
they
add
to
it
a
chemical
called
mercaptan
and
that
helps
develop.
You
know
provide
that
odor,
but
because
of
covid,
a
lot
of
people
have
lost
a
sense
of
smell.
F
F
Some
other
states
that
have
actually
enacted
fuel
gas
bills
may
just
their
bill
actually
requiring
gas
alarms
was
effective
january
1
of
this
year.
Massachusetts
has
a
bill.
That's
pending
new
york
has
a
bill
that's
pending,
but
will
go
into
effect,
which
is
right
after
the
nfpa
stand
and
nfpa
715
standard
is
passed
and
that
will
be
voted
on,
probably
in
may
or
june
of
this
year.
F
F
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F
A
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H
H
G
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
and
thanks
for
being
here,
commissioner,
I
have
a
little
bit
of
hesitancy
with
this
bill
because
it
was
not
brought
by
fire
protection
services
out
of
a
local
problem
that
we've
seen
generated
by
fire
departments
and
and
other
places
around
the
state
that
says,
hey,
we've
got
a
looming
problem
and
we
need
help
with
this
looming
problem,
because
I
know
that
we've
got
a
situation
here
where
we've
got
a
manufacturer.
Who's
got
obviously
got
technology
that
that
is,
can
address
a
situation.
G
Our
bill,
sponsor
is,
is
doing
her
best
to
work
to
protect
those.
You
know
protect
tennesseans,
but
with
regards
to
this
not
originating
from
fire
protection
services,
local
code
officials,
that
type
of
situation,
I'm
wondering
how
big
of
an
issue
is
this
because,
with
everything,
there's
a
cost-benefit
analysis-
and
I
know
that
if
you're
the
one
who
who
has
a
loss,
then
then
you
certainly
everybody
else,
doesn't
matter
and
I'm
not
diminishing
that,
but
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
why
this
has
not
originated
from
a
local
code
perspective.
G
G
So
the
the
blanket
approach
of
this
over
the
entire
state
and
not
on
a
local
level
is
something
that
concerns
me
and
seems
like
it's
a
little
bit
out
of
the
norm
as
far
as
the
way
that
this
is
presented.
So
could
you
speak
to
that
with
regards
to
local
code
adoption
and
why
this
is
being
how
this
originated
or
why
it
didn't
originate
within
the
fire
protection
service?
Mr
farley,
you
recognize
it.
Yes,
sir.
H
H
G
We
could
require
that
every
home
be
sprinkled
regardless
of
size
regardless
of
construction
type,
and
that
too
would
save,
has
the
potential
for
saving
lives,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
find
the
balance
between
here
and
as
you
mentioned,
you
know,
I
guess
what
was
it
after.
The
valley's
fire
out
in
las
vegas
that
panic
hardware
was
established,
and
and
but
it
was
a
demonstrated
need
that
got
addressed.
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G
G
A
H
A
H
H
G
A
Your
testimony,
yes,
sir
representative
lamar,
I
don't
have
anybody
else.
Is
there
anybody?
You
were
wanting
to
have
speak
while
we're
out
of
session
or
okay,
all
right
members?
We
are
back
in
session
and
we
are
back
on
the
bill.
Representative
lamar
did
you
have
looked
like
you
had
something
to
say.
E
A
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
had
a
group
come
and
meet
with
me
about
this
bill
and
I
understand
the
intent
I
mean
I
really
do,
and
I
think
it
is
something
that
does
require
further
exploration
and
just
based
on
the
fact
we
don't
have
an
amendment
that
was
timely,
filed
and
then
just
based
on
the
fact
that
I
think
for
many
of
us
reading
the
bill
today
is
the
first
time
we
have
had
any
exposure
to
this
knowledge
of
this.
J
I
knew
nothing
about
this
until
it
was
talked
to
me
about
today
until
I
talked
about
it
today
and
so,
mr
chairman
committee,
based
on
that,
I
think
there
is
probably
significant
work
that
needs
to
be
done
on
this
and
probably
a
learning
curve
for
all
of
us.
So
I
would
recommend
in
motion
to
summer
study
this
bill.