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House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - April 20, 2021 - House Hearing Room 2
A
A
Thank
you,
madam
members,
or
any
personal
orders
before
we
begin
what
is
our
final
calendar
of
of
the
year
seeing
none?
We
are
going
to
dive
right
in
item
number
one
house
bill
1434
by
leader,
cheryl,
you
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
You
recognize
there
is
an
amendment
that
you
have
here,
that
it
is
an
untimely
filed
amendment.
A
A
D
Thank
you,
chairman
of
members.
This
is
house
bill.
1434
does
have
this
amendment
of
zero
six
five,
six
nine
and
I
understand
the
amendment
is
on
the
bill
now
and,
of
course,
this
this
bill
does
two
things.
D
The
bill
first
explains
the
notification
for
all
victims
of
crimes
through
the
vine
notification
system
that
is
operated
by
the
tennessee
sheriff's
association
victims
can
sign
up
and
receive
notification
by
email,
phone
calls
or
text
messages
and
also
receive
support
through
the
hotline,
and
these
notifications
tells
victims
when
the
offender
is
being
released
or
transferred
from
the
jail.
D
The
second,
let's
bill
clarifies
that
victims
of
crimes
have
the
ability
to
decline,
to
speak
with
representatives
of
defense
counsel.
This
write-off
already
exists
to
defense
counsel,
but
this
explains
the
rights
to
people
that
work
for
them.
The
bill
also
ensures
that
defense
counsel
and
their
representatives
have
to
make
victims
aware
of
their
right
to
not
communicate
with
defendant
counsel
or
to
end
an
interview.
E
In
reviewing
the
late
filed
amendment
that
we've
now
adopted,
there
is
a
verbal
amendment
that
I
would
make
at
this
time
two
amendment
coded
six:
five,
six,
nine
own
house
bill
1434.
This
is
in
section
two
subsection
a.
I
would
move
that
we
remove
the
second
part
of
that
sentence,
starting
at
the
second
time.
The
word
victim
is
mentioned.
We
would
add
a
period
after
the
second
time.
E
The
word
victim
is
mentioned
in
that
sentence
and
we
remove
the
following
language
and
shall
not
be
questioned
at
any
hearing
related
to
the
criminal
prosecution
about
the
victim's
refusal
to
do
so.
So
we
would.
My
verbal
amendment
would
be
twofold
to
remove
that
section
of
that
sentence
and
add
a
period
after
the
second
time.
E
Victim
is
mentioned
in
subsection,
a
under
section
two
and
under
subsection
b
of
section
two
at
the
very
end,
or
excuse
me
at
the
first
portion
of
subsection
b,
where
it
says,
shall
present
a
printed
form
to
the
victim
clearly
stating
that
it
would
instead
say
shall
communicate
to
the
victim
clearly
stating
that
and
that
I
think,
will
match
what
the
sponsor's
intent
on
this
is,
and
I
would
move
that
verbal
amendment
at
this
juncture.
A
Voting
to
adopt
the
verbal
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
said
verbal
amendment
say
aye
aye,
as
opposed
no
the
eyes
prevail.
We
adopt
now
we're
on
amendment
one
as
amended
any
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
amendment.
One
question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment.
Any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
to
add
amendment
number:
zero,
zero,
six,
five,
six,
nine
as
amended
on
the
house
bill
1434,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Those
opposed
no,
the
eyes
prevailed.
A
Question
has
been
called
any
objection,
seeing
none
without
voting
on
sending
house
bill,
1434
on
the
full
calendar
or
a
full
criminal
and
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
Those
opposed.
No
the
eyes
prevail.
You
move
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
G
G
G
G
A
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
the
amendment
question
has
been
called
any
objection.
Seeing
none
we're
voting
to
add
amendment
code
6603
on
how
hjr
44,
all
those
in
favor
say,
aye
those
opposed.
No,
the
ice
prevailed.
You
adopt
we're
now
in
house
joint
resolution
44.
as
amended
sponsor.
Would
you
like
for
us
to?
Would
this
be
a
convenient
time
to
go
on
a
session
here?
It.
H
A
Okay,
without
objection,
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session
we're
going
to
hear
from
and
the
way
that
we're
going
to
do
this
today
is
I'm
going
to
call
your
names
up
that
I
have
here
on
the
list
to
testify.
We
have
seats
here
for
you
to
sit
at
if
you
would
come
up
as
a
group
members
we're
going
to
have
each
individual
that
is
here
to
testify.
We'll
have
four
minutes
a
piece
to
speak.
A
A
Are
you
here
all
right
great?
If
you
want
to
come
up
forward,
you
can
have
you
can
stand
at
the
podium.
You
can
sit
at
the
one
of
the
chairs
there
and
april
judkins.
A
She's,
not
here:
okay,
leslie,
montgomery,
okay,
you
may
come
forward
and
then
a
judge,
maria
verdin.
A
A
Okay,
if
you
will
make
sure
that
your
microphones
are
turned
on
there
and
I'll,
ask
you
before
it's
your
turn
to
speak,
that
you
will
announce
who
you
are
and
what
organization
you're
with
or
and
then
you'll
have
four
minutes
for
your
testimony
at
that
time,
and
so
you
want
to
go.
First,
okay,
go
ahead,
hi!
My
name
is.
B
My
name
is
emily
ann
buck.
I
am
from
knoxville
tennessee
and
I
am
here
to
speak
for
marcy's
law
from
a
victim's
viewpoint
and
I'm
much
further
along
than
I
was
back
in
high
school
days,
but
part
of
my
story
is
when
I
was
15
and
16
years
old.
I
went
through
an
abusive
relationship,
emotional,
mental,
sexual
abuse.
B
This
was,
you
know,
a
perfect
relationship.
I
come
from
a
really
good
home.
My
parents
are
still
married
to
this
day.
There's
nothing
that
tells
me,
as
the
cheerleader
the
class
president,
that
you
should
be
on
that
side
of
town,
because
the
thing
is
this
happens
in
every
single
walk
of
life.
It
happens
in
every
single
culture.
It
doesn't
matter
what
you
look
like
the
culture
that
you
live
in
the
color
of
your
skin.
This
happens
one
in
three
girls,
one
in
three
girls.
I
am
a
woman
speaking,
so
I'm
giving
you
that
statistics.
B
But
yes,
it
does
happen
to
men.
We
just
don't
hear
about
it
as
much,
but
one
in
three
girls
will
experience
dating
and
domestic
violence
and
the
numbers
are
continuing
to
increase,
especially
with
covid
and
isolation
and
people
being
locked
down.
These
numbers
are
rising.
The
mental
health
that's
coming
from
this
is
a
crisis.
B
When
I
was
16
years
old,
I
went
through
this
relationship
and
had
nobody
to
help
me
nobody.
I
had
the
principal
turn
their
back
on
me.
I
had
this
boyfriend
after
a
year
and
a
half
of
abuse.
Taking
me
through
all
this
different
types
of
abuse,
end
up
creating
child
pornographic
pictures
of
my
body
that
were
passed
around
the
school.
B
We
could
not
sue
kinkos,
remember
kinkos,
we
could
not
sue
kinkos.
The
principal
would
not
do
anything.
You
know
what
he
said
to
me.
He
said,
there's
nothing.
I
can
do
because
it's
your
word
against
his
he'll.
Just
tell
me
he
doesn't
have
the
pictures,
so
I
walk
the
halls
of
my
school
alone
every
single
day,
isolated,
because
that's
what
abusers
do
they
isolate
you
and
they
take
you
away
from
your
family
and
your
friends,
so
you
feel,
like
you,
don't
have
help
so
what
happened?
Well,
I
got
the
raw
end
of
the
deal.
B
There
were
days.
I
wasn't
allowed
to
go
to
school.
There
were
days
I
was
taken
out
of
school.
I
had
to
order
protection
against
him,
but
he
got
to
live
his
life.
I
sat
under
a
gag
threat
by
the
court
not
allowing
to
discuss
anything
that
happened
to
me
and
we
all
know
what
high
school's
like.
I
don't
think
anybody
in
this
room
necessarily
would
want
to
go
back
to
those
days.
B
Am
I
right
so
if
you're
walking
around
the
school
and
you're
under
a
gag
threat
by
the
court-
and
you
know
nobody
has
your
back,
how
on
earth
are
you
supposed
to
move
forward?
Well,
thank
goodness,
I
had
my
faith
and
I
had
my
family
because,
as
I
sat
at
home
away
from
school
and
away
from
my
peers
and
doing
the
things
I
should
have
been
doing
as
a
normal
teenager,
I
was
going
through
what
three
different
therapists
told
me
a
30
year
old
woman
should
be
experiencing,
so
I
hit
rock
bottom.
B
I
thought
about
drugs.
I
was
suicidal
twice,
but
yet
I
went
through
these
three
different
therapists
to
help
me
gain
that
strength
to
move
forward.
The
courts
didn't
help
me.
Yes,
we
had
police
involved,
but
they
told
my
parents.
We
recommend
that
you
don't
press
charges
because
those
pictures
are
going
to
get
blown
up
in
court,
so
they
decided
to
do
that
as
a
parent.
B
I
am
a
parent
myself,
so
I
understand
the
decision
that
they
made,
but
I'm
not
here
really
to
talk
about
me
because
I'm
beyond
that
that
was
quite
a
few
years
ago
and
I
have
found
a
new
strength
and
a
new
voice
for
those
that
are
hurting
every
single
day
each
and
every
day
that
can't
get
out
of
this.
This
week
alone.
I
did
a
news
interview
and
had
a
woman
reach
out
to
me.
She
told
me
I
can't
get
away
from
this
man.
Please
help
me.
B
Nobody
helps
me
here
here
here:
she's
called
all
the
different
organizations,
all
the
different
shelters
and
they
just
give
her
a
new
number
and
a
new
number
and
a
new
number,
and
she
said
I
saw
you
on
the
news
and
I
just
knew
you
could
help
me,
and
she
tells
me-
and
this
is
where
I'm
this
is
where
I
want
to
put
the
emphasis
she
said.
I
finally
went
on
a
date
with
him
again,
because
I
thought
he
was
going
to
turn
and
change
things
around.
B
B
B
Thank
you
sure,
thank
you
so
much
so.
Talking
to
this
woman,
I
was
telling
her
it
takes
seven
to
ten
times
for
a
victim
to
leave.
It
is
not
easy.
It's
so
easy
to
sit
in
this
chair
and
say
why
don't
you
just
go
just
go,
get
help.
We
don't
have
the
strength
or
the
ability
as
a
survivor,
to
do
this.
We're
literally
just
surviving
we're,
not
thriving.
B
Yet
I'm
thriving
right
now
or
I
wouldn't
be
standing
in
front
of
you
today,
but
what
I'm
doing
is
representing
the
people
who
were
crying
out
for
help
saying
I
can't
do
this
anymore
and
I
have
no
one
that
is
for
me
and
the
police.
That's
a
whole.
Other
thing
I
am,
I
am
a
criminal
justice
major
like
I
am
backing
the
blue,
but
they
are
turning
away
from
the
victims
and
blaming
them,
and
so
great
example
that
she
shared
with
me
is
she
finally
went
on
this
date.
She's
a
55
year
old
woman.
B
I
am
much
younger
than
her
and
she's
reaching
out
to
help
get
help
from
me,
and
she
said
I
went
on
this
date.
You
know
what
he
did
to
me.
He
put
ghost
pepper
flakes
inside
of
me
and
the
police
said
well,
you
shouldn't
have
showed
up
yeah,
it's
that
bad.
They
said
you
shouldn't
have
showed
up,
but
she
did
show
up
one
time
because
she
thought
you
know
just
maybe
this
guy
is
finally
turning
his
life
around.
E
Man,
thank
you
for
your
testimony
today
and
I
promise
you.
That
is
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
most
of
the
time
when
we
go
through
this
process.
It
takes
a
long
time
and
so
there's
nothing
that
we're
going
to
do
today.
That
would
take
away
from
what
your
goals
are,
and
I
appreciate
your
bravery
being
here
and
thank
you
for
fighting
every
single
day
for
other
young,
ladies,
that
are
out
there
that
have
gone
through
the
hell
that
you
have
experienced,
and
so
we
deeply
deeply
appreciate
your
testimony
today.
E
It's
the
reason
I
asked
the
question
for
you
to
continue
because
I
have
for
years
kind
of
bristled
at
the
thought
when
a
a
police
officer
or
district
attorney
asked
a
victim
whether
or
not
you
want
to
press
charges.
I
wish
we
would
get
away
from
that.
It's
not
fair
to
you.
It's
not
fair
to
anybody.
I
used
to
be
an
assistant
district
attorney.
I
would
always
ask
a
victim
or
victim's
family
what
their
guidance
was
to
me
on
how
to
proceed
with
the
case.
I
never
asked
them.
E
H
My
name
is
leslie
montgomery,
I
am
from
scotland.
If
you
can
hear
my
accent.
I
always
get
asked
that
question.
I
am
a
victim
of
a
crime,
it
happened
on
may
5th
2016
and
my
husband
was
arrested
for
soliciting
my
murder.
H
I
still
continue
to
wait.
Five,
almost
five
years
later,
as
me,
it'll
be
five
years
for
him
to
come
to
court.
I've
been
to
many
many
many
court
appearances.
H
I've
had
to
sit
there
and
listen
to
them.
I've
had
not
I've
not
been
able
to
put
any
input
into
the
court
system.
I
was
sat,
they
were
asking
for
telephones
and
I
was
sat
there
and
one
time
they
his
lawyer
was
late,
so
I
was
made
to
sit
there.
Basically,
if
I
wanted
to
hear
what
was
going
on,
I
sat
there
all
afternoon
until
one
o'clock,
when
they
finally
hurt
him
and
that's
from
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning,
he
remains
in
jail.
H
I
have
an
order
of
protection
from
him.
He
is
I
divorced
him.
I've
had
multiple
therapy
sessions
throughout
the
last
five
years
and
I've
seen
a
doctor
for
ptsd
he's
one
of
the
reasons
I
can
be
here
today.
I'm
scared
to
go
out
at
night.
H
H
Oh
he's
done
it
again
three
times
he
did
it
from
the
jail
cell.
Finally,
the
first
time
they
put
him
in
isolation,
they
let
him
out
for
of
isolation.
He
did
it
again.
I
check
the
website
frequently
to
make
sure
that
he
is
continues
to
be
in
isolation
and
cannot
threaten
my
life
again.
H
H
I've
been
a
nurse
for
over
30
years.
I
work
in
an
intensive
care
unit
with
children.
Why
can't
my
rights
be
heard
in
the
courtroom?
Why
can't
the
judge
allow
this
to
go
forward?
Five
years
later?
What
I'm
told
constantly
by
the
dea
is
they
do
not
want
a
mistrial?
H
Well,
wouldn't
a
mistrial
be
better
than
nothing
at
the
end
of
the
day,
surely
there's
some
laws
or
something
that
can
be
done
for
that
marshy's
law
will
give
me
a
voice
in
the
courtroom.
It
would
enable
me
to
be
told
about
when
he
was
arrested.
I
sat.
I
was
woken
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
told
that
the
tbi
agent
wanted
to
speak
to
me
and
where
was
I
at
that
time?
H
My
husband
and
I
were
separated,
and
I
was
11
with
my
sister-in-law
who
actually
works
for
the
tbi
and
she
was
saying
to
me:
why
do
they
want
to
speak
to
you,
and
my
first
thought
was
something's
happened
to
him,
but
they
came
to
the
house
in
the
middle
of
the
night
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
told
me
that
he
wanted
me
to
die.
He
they
then
subpoenaed
me
to
court,
and
so
that's
when
I
found
out
a
little
bit
more,
but
that
night
I
didn't
sleep
he
wasn't
arrested.
H
I
was
told
that
he
was
told
that
they
were
aware
they
have
tapes
of
him
and
that
they
were
aware
that
they
wanted.
He
wanted
to
harm
me,
and
that
is
as
much
as
I
stubbed
my
toe.
They
would,
they
would
know
about
it.
It
was
the
following
day
and
about
five
o'clock.
My
sister-in-law
got
a
phone
call
to
tell
her
due
to
the
fact
that
she
works
for
the
tbi,
not
to
call
me
and
tell
me
that
my
ex-husband
was
arrested
for
my
for
soliciting.
H
My
murder,
I
think
marsh's
law
can
help
me
weave
through
the
court
system.
Have
a
little
bit
more
support.
H
My
therapist,
the
doctor
psychologist,
have
told
me
that
I
was
gaslit.
I've
read
about
that.
I
know
a
little
bit
more
about
it.
I
don't
know,
know
that
lawyers
or
the
court
know
about
it,
but
I
was
living
basically
on
eggshells,
the
whole
of
my
marriage
and
he
took
me
financially.
H
He
had
a
private
mailbox.
I
knew
nothing
about
things
were
all
in
his
name.
He
tried
to
put
my
take
my
name
off
of
the
house.
We
had
recently
bought
lots
of
other
things
that
basically
didn't
come
up
in
divorce,
and
why
did
my
divorce
take
five
years?
I
should
have
been
an
instantaneous
divorce,
but
then
again
as
a
victim
of
crime
and
suffering
from
gaslighting,
I
might
not
have
been
ready
to
force
to
divorce
him
at
that
time.
H
Which
I
think
I
got
now,
I
sit
and
wait
for
a
court
date
july
june.
26Th
is
the
latest
one.
These
court
dates
have
been
stopped,
not
because
of
anything
the
district
attorney
has
done
or
I
have
done,
or
anybody
has
done
apart
from
my
ex-husband
and
he
has
fired
his
lawyer,
he
fired
his
public
defender,
he's
fired
his
lawyer
four
times
and
is
now
on
to
the
fifth
lawyer
who's
paying
for
that
as
well,
because
I'm
not
paying
for
it.
Madam
I'm.
A
I
I
My
name
is
maria
verdin.
I
am
a
senior
policy
counsel
for
marcy's
law.
Before
that
I
was
a
superior
court
judge
maricopa
county
phoenix
arizona
where,
for
20
years
I
served
on
the
criminal
bench,
the
juvenile
bench,
the
family
court
bench
and
the
civil
bench
before
I
was
appointed
to
the
bench.
I
started
my
career
as
a
public
defender
and
before
I
was
appointed
to
the
bench
I
went
on
to
be
an
assistant
attorney
general.
I
The
short
answer
is
because
the
rights
that
you
have
in
tennessee
have
evolved
and
at
the
time
when
you
enacted
this
legislation
this
amendment,
this
was
the
state
of
the
art,
as
I'm
sure
you
have
heard.
But
since
then,
enforcement
mechanisms
have
come
in
to
amendments
to
constitution.
Those
are
necessary
in
order
to
be
sure
that
those
rights
mean
something
that
they
have
the
teeth
and
give
people
the
ability
to
be
heard
to
be
noticed
and
participate
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
That's
the
reason
for
the
amendment.
I
I
The
purpose
of
the
juvenile
court,
which
is
rehabilitation,
is
not
inconsistent
with
participation
of
victims.
The
two
can
coexist
and
should
I
I
bring
that
to
your
attention.
The
second
issue
that
I
have
raised
heard
raised
in
this
state
is
the
issue
of
whether
these
rights
should
apply
pre-indictment.
I
I
I
It's
up
to
the
legislature
to
do
the
tough
job
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
things
merit
those
funds.
I
will
tell
you
that
you
already
have
a
notification
system
in
place
and
it's
a
good
notification
system.
I
will
also
tell
you
that
the
prosecutors
in
this
state
do
believe
that
they
have
a
calling
when
they
do
their
work
and
believe
that
part
of
their
job
is
to
connect
with
with
victims.
So
if
you
have
costs
those
should
be
minimal
and
modest,
I
submit
to
you.
I
I
A
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
judge,
verdine
for
being
here,
miss
montgomery
and
miss
buck.
All
of
you
all
thank
you
for
her
courage
and
thank
you
for
advocating
for
the
voice
of
victims.
I
do
have
a
background
as
an
assistant
public
defender,
a
prosecutor,
private
defense
attorney
and,
I
think,
being
a
member
of
that
criminal
court,
we
can
appreciate
how
we
get
so
tied
up
with
the
defendant.
F
A
Thank
you
next
on
my
list
is
representative
sexton.
C
C
C
And
my
question
is,
I
don't
know
it's
one
thing
to
pass
a
law,
it's
another
thing
to
implement
that,
and
the
implementation
is
where
that
we're
going
to
see
the
results.
If
we
can't
get
it
implemented,
then
we're
no
better
off,
because
we've
passed
a
law,
we
still
haven't
done
anything
and
I
think
to
make
this
work.
This
is
not
a
small
thing.
It's
a
very
large
piece
of
legislation.
C
It's
going
to
cause
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
changes
now.
Every
district
attorney
that
I've
talked
to
of
mine
is
is
four
victims
right
and
and
they're,
not
at
all
against
this
legislation.
They
don't
know
how
to
implement
it.
They
don't
know
where
the
funding
is
going
to
come
from,
and
I
think
that's
really
what
we're
facing,
and
you
said
we
as
a
legislator,
it's
our
job
to
do
it,
and
I
agree
with
you.
It
is
our
job
to
find
that.
How
do
you
find
it
and
how
do
you?
C
How
do
you
put
all
of
that
together
to
make
it
work?
And
just
personally
I
don't
know
whether
we're
ready
at
this
point
to
to
implement
it
and
to
bring
it
to
pass
and
one
of
the
negative
things
that
I've
heard
is
that
from
my
district
attorneys?
Is
that
that
you
all
won't?
Listen,
you
won't
take
changes,
you
won't.
You
won't
work
with
them,
whether
that's
true
or
not.
I
don't
know
I'm
just
sharing
that
information
with
you
that
they've
tried
to
offer
some.
C
You
know
some
some
ways
of
implementing
it
and
that
one
of
them
said
that
and
and
and
this
one's
a
very
reasonable
guy
he's
not
a
bomb
thrower,
and
he
said
it
was
either
you're
all's
way
or
no
way.
So
I
don't
know
whether
any
of
that
is
true.
I
haven't
been
in
those
negotiations,
but
I
think
I
think
everybody's
on
the
same
page
as
far
as
marshy's
law
goes,
that
they
want
victims
rights.
C
But
how
do
we
pull
it
off?
How
do
we
make
this
this
vehicle
run
and
how
do
we
get
it
to
going
down
the
tracks?
And
you
know
my
suggestion
would
be
before
that
we
pass
a
law
that
we
don't
know
whether
we
can
implement
that
we
look
at
some
ways
to
make
this
this
work,
and
that
would
just
be
my
position
on
it.
Yeah.
I
C
Well,
I
I
really
am,
but
I
just
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
that
if
we
could
come
to
some
agreement
of
how
that
we
could
make
it
work
before
we
pass
the
legislation,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
move
for
us
and
I'm
through.
Thank
you,
chairman.
I
My
apologies
representative,
I
heard
I
heard
a
question
and
it
wasn't
my
intention
to
cut
you
off,
sir,
so
I
will
tell
you
that
again,
like
other
jurisdictions,
this
jurisdiction
is
no
different
and
at
some
point
you
have
to
say
if,
if
not
me
who
and
if
not
when,
if
not
now,
when
I
believe
that
representative
hazelwood
could
give
you
a
long
list
of
each
and
every
time
marcy's
law
has
met
with
stakeholders,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
their
existing
language
in
this
bill
was
changed
at
the
suggestion
of
both
prosecutors
and
law
enforcement
agencies.
I
I
There
are
other
models
in
other
states
that
would
eliminate
how
implementation
has
occurred,
oklahoma,
perhaps
being
the
most
one
of
the
most
recent,
and
so
there
is
a
blueprint
for
you
and
if,
if
one,
if
you
want
it
to
get
done,
there
is
a
mechanism
for
it
to
get
done
in
a
way
to
get
done.
I
C
C
It's
not
implemented
or
it's
not
put
into
place.
I
think
we
should
have
victims
rights
and
I
think
we
should
have
more
than
what
we
have,
but
I
think
we
should
not
pass
a
law
that
forces
us
to
do
something
that
we're
not
ready
to
do.
I
think
we
should
be
ready
for
it
and
if
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
we
do.
We
don't
have
that
mechanism
together,
yet
we
don't
have
the
funding
together.
C
Yet,
yes,
other
states
have
done
it,
but
we're
not
other
states
where
tennessee
we
have
to
have
our
own
mechanism
to
get
this
moving
forward.
So
that's
it's
not
that
I
think
anyone
is
against
it.
I
we
just
want
to
know
how
to
do
it
and
as
a
legislature,
I
want
to
know
that
we're
putting
something
out
there
that
can
be
done
without
you
know,
turning
the
world
upside
down.
I
Yes,
most
jurisdictions,
if
not
all
that
have
victims
rights,
amendments
include
protections
in
the
juvenile
court
and
they
have
been
able
to
balance
the
purpose
which
is
juvenile
court
rehabilitation
of
the
juvenile,
with
the
protection
of
victims
and
the
ability
to
participate.
So
that
is
commonly
how
it
is
done.
B
All
right,
thank
you
and
chairman.
I
have
another
comment.
Question
we
were
hearing,
as
my
colleague
mentioned
opposition.
I
guess
that's
a
strong
word
disagreement.
Opposition
from
our
sheriffs
and
police
organizations
in
the
other
states
are,
you
aware,
have
they
testified
in
opposition.
I
To
this
not
as
an
association
I
mean
that's
really
kind
of
a
first
for
us,
we've
not
had
an
association
come
out
and
generally
they're
they're,
our
first
and
our
strongest
supporters.
So
it's
an
unusual
situation.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
good
morning
ma'am,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
you
being
here,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
the
the
ladies
that
spoke
previously.
You
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
courage.
You
represented
yourself
and
the
the
community.
Well
in
your
presentation,
you're
very
eloquent.
J
H
J
Have
in
terms
of
protecting
victims
of
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault,
etc?
So
my
questions
come
from
that
place
in
terms
of
my
heart
and
my
head.
J
Questions
for
you,
I'm,
like
my
colleague,
I'm
concerned
about
implementation
funding,
whether
we
create
issues
that
may
actually
do
more
harm
than
good
any
of
the
states
that
you're
familiar
with
have
they
been
able
to
move
statutory
amendments
along
while
awaiting
the
the
eventual
amendments
for
the
constitutional
changes.
I
They
there
have,
you
know
most
recently,
kentucky
did
one
that
went
in
conjunction
with
the
ballot
question,
and
ohio
has
also
moved
implementing
implementation
language
immediately
after
so
they're
they're
working
on
that.
But
there
are,
there
are
mechanisms,
each
state
is
unique
and
each
state
is
different
and
if
tennessee
wanted
to
do
that,
there's
no
reason
why
tennessee
couldn't
do
that.
J
We
are
able
to
to
service
those
victims
who
need
help
now
and
that's
all
of
them
as
opposed
to
waiting
a
multi-year
constitutional
amendment
process,
and
that's
why
I
want
to
see,
what's
available,
to
do
a
dual
path:
to
accomplish
the
implementation
and
funding
getting
some
type
of
model
in
place.
That
would
serve
to
to
make
sure
that,
when
the
constitutional
amendment,
if
this
passes
came
to
fruition,
that
there
would
be
a
working
model
on
how
it
should
be
implemented
and
funded,
those
talks
been
carried
on.
I
I've
not
heard
those
talks
other
than
like,
I
said
you
know
some
companion
legislation
that
may
have
gone
through
when
matters
were
on
the
ballot
and-
and
I
gave
you
kentucky
as
an
example,
but
you
you
cannot
bypass
the
constitutional
process.
You
absolutely
need
that
because
you
have
to
be
sure
that
you
have
victims
that
have
equitable
access
to
justice,
the
same
way
defendants
do
and
when
you're
not
on
the
same
part
of
a
law.
I
You
know
there's
a
hierarchy
in
law,
and
so
you
know
you
get
your
local
laws
and
then
your
statute
and
ultimately
the
constitution,
and
when
your
rights
are
not
on
par
with
those
of
the
other
in
the
courtroom,
then
you're
at
a
disadvantage.
So
you
can't
bypass
the
constitutional
process.
You
absolutely
need
that.
You
know
what
you
do
in
the
meantime.
J
So
I
want
you
to
keep
that
in
mind
when
I'm
I'm
trying
to
figure
this
out-
and
I
feel
for
the
ladies
they'll-
be
on
my
mind-
I'll
pray
for
you
today
and
in
the
future,
because
that's
something
that
just
goes
on
and
on
and
on
and
hopefully
you'll
find
a
way
to
deal
with.
It.
You'll
find
a
way
to
to
be
able
to
build
yourself
out
from
that
experience.
J
Unless
the
scales
are
balanced
in
in
the
way
that
is
implemented,
and
how
can
we,
how
can
we
do
that
on
the
fly.
I
I
have
heard
from
many
victims
who
were
not
seeking
punitive
measures
who
were
seeking
rehabilitative
measures,
who
wanted
to
be
sure
that
I
understood
that
this
individual
needed
services
to
be
sure
that
he
or
she
didn't
end
up
in
that
revolving
door,
that
put
them
in
the
adult
system.
And
so
you
know,
we
make
a
presumption
that
a
victim
voice
is
going
to
go
a
certain
way,
a
victim
voice.
What
what
marcy's
law
seeks
to
do
is
to
empower
that
victim
to
be
the
voice
whatever
it
is
that
they
may
want
it
to
be.
I
So
what
I'm
telling
you
is
from
experience,
it's
quite
possible
to
balance
the
needs
of
the
juvenile
offender
with
the
needs
of
the
victim
and
ultimately
the
victim
may
not
hear
what
the
victim
wants
to
hear
or
the
juvenile
offender
may
not
hear
what
they
want
to
hear.
But
they'll
hear
it
from
the
judge
and
they'll
hear
an
explanation
from
the
judge
and
they
will
know
that
they
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
fully
in
the
process.
J
I
I
I
J
I
I'm
sure
the
state
of
arizona
has
the
the
supreme
court
has
statistics
on
you
know
recidivism
and
victim
satisfaction
and
not
to
say
that
we're
not
without
fault.
I
mean
anytime,
you
go
to
a
courtroom,
there's
winners
and
there's
losers
and
there's
some
victims
that
are
happy
and
some
victims
that
are
not
happy.
I
J
J
J
Thank
you,
ma'am
and
once
again,
my
appreciation
to
the
ladies
who
had
the
courage
to
show
up
today
and
share
their
stories.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
again.
I
want
to
echo
what
all
my
colleagues
have
said.
This
has
been
very
compelling
testimony
and
I
appreciate
you
all
coming
here
today.
I
know
that's
not
an
easy
task
and
I'm
sure
you
would
rather
be
in
a
lot
of
other
rooms
than
this
one.
So
so
thank
you
for
being
here
today
really
appreciate
your
testimony.
K
I,
like
everybody
on
this
diet.
I
want
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
make
this
work,
because
we
all
we
we
come
here
every
day
we
take
time
out
of
our
businesses,
our
family
lives
as
citizen
legislators,
and
you
know
not
knocking
any
other
committees
in
the
general
assembly
process,
but
the
criminal
justice
committee,
the
civil
justice
committee,
the
judiciary
committees
are
known
as
the
working
committees,
and
so
we
you
know
I've
everybody
around
this.
K
This
room
spends
upwards
of
40
or
50
hours
a
week
on
their
part-time
job,
trying
to
advocate
predominantly
for
victims
in
this
committee,
when
I
was
the
vice
chairman
of
this
committee-
and
I
worked
with
with
leader
lamberth
when
I
first
came
in
as
a
freshman,
he
told
me,
you
know
if
your
bill
doesn't
have
a
giant
fiscal
note,
you're,
probably
not
doing
anything
in
the
criminal
justice
committee,
and
so
all
of
us
work
every
day
to
try
to
pass
laws
that
will
improve
the
public
safety
and
the
experience
of
victims
in
our
state.
K
So
so
we
all
come
to
this
kind
of
with
arms
opening
saying
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
this
work
because
we're
we
wanna
we're
right
there
with
you
in
this
fight
day
in
and
day
out,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
tasked
with
passing
laws
that
have
immediate
impact
that
have
you
know,
a
kind
of
a
real
world
application?
K
And
so,
when
we
talk
about
a
constitutional
amendment,
it's
it
to
me.
It's
a
very
grave
undertaking.
It's
a
very
serious
undertaking.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
that
we
go
about
it
and
we
think
through
what
what
the,
what
the
ramifications
of
the
words
that
we
put
into
the
constitution
are
my
friend
vice
chairman
mentioned.
You
know
money
as
a
concern
and
you
guys
had
a
back
and
forth
on
that,
and
it
sounds
like
that.
K
The
financials
have
not
been
secured
at
this
point,
not
knowing
really
what
the
implementation
language
would
look
like,
there's
no
way
to
know
what
it
would
cost,
and
so
I
want
to
just
ask
about
a
couple
of
other
things
that
I
feel
like
again.
If
we
can
get
them
right,
I
think
all
of
us
would
feel
comfortable
moving
forward.
K
We
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
them
right,
so
you
talked
about
enforcement
as
well
and
you're
in
your
comments
as
I
look
through
this
I'm
trying
to
balance
again,
these
are
words
that
we're
putting
in
the
constitution.
It's
not
a
bill,
it's
it's
a
right,
so
the
for
example,
number
seven
the
right
to
full
and
timely
restitution
from
the
offender
as
listed
in
there.
K
How
do
you
feel
like
that
puts
us
as
a
position
as
a
state
where,
if
we,
if
we
just
simply
can't
get
something
funded,
that
would
prevent
us
from
being
able
to
comply
with
any
component
here,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
victims,
restitution
or
anything
else?
Would
we
be
opening
ourselves
up
to
litigation?
You
know
from
from
from
victims,
attorneys
saying:
okay:
well,
the
state
did
not
uphold
their
end
of
the
bargain.
They
enshrined
these
rights
in
the
constitution,
but
there's
no
there's
no
enforcement
here.
I
K
I
So
I
mean
I
think
that
encompasses
that
obviously
you're,
acting
in
good
faith
and
you're
working
towards
moving
the
bill
along
to
your
point,
sir,
I
would
say
you
have
to
start
somewhere,
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
you
have
a
long
time
to
work
it,
but
you
have
to
at
least
begin
to
move
the
bill
along.
My
understanding
is,
we
need
it
to
pass
at
least
two
sessions.
I
You
got
to
start
somewhere.
You
know
if
you
delay
it
you're
all
that
more.
There's
all
that
more
time
that
you
need
to
make
up.
So
from
my
perspective,
if
you
wanted
it
to
get
there
quickly,
you
got
to
start
moving
it
now.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
work
or
continue
to
work
or
continue
to
have
those
discussions
with
stakeholders.
I
You
know
what
what
the
bill
looks
like
now
might
not
necessarily
be
what
it
looks
like.
As
you
get
closer
to
the
end,
so
there
might
be
some
fine-tuning
that
you
might
need
to
do,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
what
you
have
before
you
now
is
a
compilation
of
tennessee
law
and
input
from
folks
who
said
we
want
this
particular
provision
included,
including
law
enforcement
and
prosecutors.
Sir.
K
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
that
response,
so
I
also
read
that
about
nothing
in
this
section
shall
be
construed
as
creating
a
cause
of
action
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
I
understand
that,
but
in
your
opening
remarks
you
talked
about
how
there
was
there
was
enforcement
here,
and
so
I
guess
my
concern
is:
if
we're
holding
ourselves
harmless
but
we're
putting
this
out
there
are.
We
are
we
really
say
we
move
forward
chapter
and
verse
are
we?
K
I
May
I
respond
so
enforcement
of
victims
rights
is
the
opportunity.
I
know
you
know
this,
sir,
but
to
raise
your
hand,
be
recognized
by
the
court,
be
called
on
and
say
I
didn't
get
noticed,
judge
or
I
want
to
be
heard
on
that
position
that
doesn't
cost
money.
That's
an
immediate
response
from
a
judge
who
is
looking
at
the
victim
and
saying
I
hear
what
you're
saying
miss
victim.
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
able
to
deny
the
continuance
for
you
know
this
reason
or
that
reason
or
yes,
you
were
denied
the
opportunity
opportunity
to
be
heard.
I
I
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
now
we're
going
to
do
this
again.
So
you
know
these
are.
When
I
talk
about
enforcement
provisions,
it
means
giving
the
victim
standing
in
the
courtroom
to
immediately
be
recognized
and
immediately
seek
remedy
so
that
the
matter
can
move
on.
That's
what
enforcement
means
it
me.
If
you
don't
have
the
enforcement,
then
you
have
a
judge,
saying
oops,
I'm
sorry,
let's
move
along
versus
having
the
enforcement
mechanism,
which
gives
the
victim
standing
not
as
a
party
but
just
to
address
the
rights
enumerated
in
this
section.
I
They
don't
all
cost
money.
You
know
most
of
these
are
being
able
to
look
at
the
judge
in
the
eye
and
say
I
want
to
be
present.
I
opt
in.
I
want
you
to
consider
how
this
crime
affected
me.
You
know
those
kind
of
things
and
a
remedy
immediately,
so
that
you
don't
have
to
wait
and
wait
and
wait
five
years
for
there
to
be
some
kind
of
recourse.
K
Thank
you,
sir,
but
for
the
ones
that
do
cost
money.
Do
you
worry
that
we
again
may
be
saying
one
thing
and
doing
another.
I
I
think
that
if
you
make
this
commitment
to
victims,
you're
prioritizing
how
you're
going
to
get
it
done,
and
so
do
I
worry
about
that.
No,
I
don't
worry
about
that
because
you
just
told
me
all
of
you
are
committed
to
this
process
and
want
to
see
it
work
and
a
delay
is
just
going
to
mean
a
longer
time
before
the
victims
can
see
the
day
when
they
can
raise
their
hand
in
court
and
be
recognized.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
that
and
I
you
know
again
with
our
committee
process
and
we
talked
about
you
know,
starting
somewhere
and
moving
forward
and
changing
it
later.
That's
not
how
we
do
it.
We
we've
got
to
make
sure
this.
The
subcommittee,
you
know,
does
its
work
so
that
the
full
committee
can
fine-tune
that
work
so
that
as
it
moves
forward,
we
can
move
forward
with
confidence
that
we're
creating
good
work
product.
We
we
don't.
K
We
don't
put
the
blindfolds
on
and
jump
off
the
cliff
in
tennessee.
We
we
make
sure
that
we
move
forward
with
a
clear
path
and
a
clear
plan.
So
whatever
happens
today,
I
I
hope
that
it's
that
it's
received
in
that
spirit,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
move
forward
in
a
way
that's
deliberate,
where
we,
as
my
grandfather,
would
say,
we
could
see
our
way
to
the
other
side.
K
We
don't
we
don't
just
jump
off
a
cliff
here
in
tennessee
and
and
hope
that
we
can
work
it
out
on
the
back
end,
and-
and
I
say
that
with
you
know,
other
members
in
the
room
who
have
very
very
good
pieces
of
legislation
sitting
behind
the
budget
that
are
never
going
to
get
funded.
We
all
know
they're
a
great
idea.
It's
just
a
matter
of
you
know.
Do
we
do
we
have
the
ability
to
make
that
a
priority
this
year
or
the
next?
K
I
do
want
to
move
quickly
just
to
the
juvenile
piece.
A
lot
of
the
the
the
back
and
forth
that
I've
heard
about
juveniles
to
me
doesn't
doesn't
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
for
what
what
my
question
was.
So
I
apologize
for
rehashing
going
back
to
juveniles,
even
though
they've
been
other
other
questions,
but
let's
say
that
the
the
juvenile
you
know
is
about.
We've
talked
about
a
lot
of
juveniles
who
are
trying
to
reform
and
we're
trying
to
get
their
their
lives
back
on
track.
K
But,
let's
say
we've
just
we've
got
a
bad
actor
and
they're
going
to
continue
to
be
a
bad
actor.
Are
you
at
all
concerned
that,
once
that
juvenile
turns
18,
once
we
lose
once
once
that
juvenile
judge
that
juvenile
court
loses
that
jurisdiction
over
that
juvenile?
K
How
do
we?
How
do
we
maintain
that
contact
without
a
unified
court
system
in
tennessee?
How
do
we,
how
do
we
make
sure
that
that
person
continues
to
pay
their
financial
obligation
to
the
victims
that
we're
now
enshrining
in
the
constitution.
I
How
you
treat
juveniles
in
this
state
is
your
prerogative,
whether
you
transfer
them
to
the
adult
system
and
you
try
them
as
adults
or
whether
you
keep
them
in
the
juvenile
system
and
the
decision
is
keep
to
keep
them
in
juvenile.
I'm
not
privy
to
that.
In
tennessee.
In
my
own
state,
we
do
move
juveniles.
I
There
is
a
process
by
which
juveniles
are
transferred
to
the
adult
court
and
they
are
in
the
adult
court
jurisdiction.
So
that's
not
in
the
preview
of
marcy's
law.
Marcy's
law
just
wants
to
be
heard
during
the
process.
Whatever
decision
the
courts
or
the
state
may
decide
to
make
with
respect
to
the
issue
of
restitution,
it's
handled
like
in
any
other
jurisdiction.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
but
in
that
case,
have
we
not
just
again
we're
entranting
these
rights
in
the
constitution,
the
juvenile
court
loses
jurisdiction,
as
you've
said,
have
we
not
just
violated
that
victim's
constitutional
rights
because
we
there's
no
jurisdiction
over
that
person?
Yet
the
constitution
says
the
victim
is
entitled
to
these
rights
from
the
person
who
victimized
them,
which
again
I
completely
wholeheartedly
support.
I
think,
then,
though,
we
have
violated
that
victims
constitution
rights,
so
we
are
either
opening
ourselves
up
for
extreme
liability.
I
K
There's
a
lot
of
hanging
chads
out
there
that
we
just
don't
seem
to
have
the
answers
to,
and
our
task
again
in
the
subcommittee
is
to
make
sure
that
we
refine
these
issues
to
make
sure
that
we
move
on
to
full
committee
that
that
we're
really
ready
to
go
on
to
the
next
step
and
the
next
step
and
the
next.
So
I
think
for
me,
there's
still
some
continued
unanswered
questions
there.
You
have
done
a
great
service
to
this
committee
by
helping
us
understand
some
of
these
issues.
K
It
just
sounds
like
we've
still
got
a
whole
lot
more
questions
yet
to
answer
so
I
very
much
appreciate
your
expertise.
I
again
I
don't
say
this
lightly.
I
want
to
thank
both
of
the
the
other,
ladies,
that
we
heard
from
from
their
testimony
these.
These
are
extremely
important
issues
and
we
fight
tooth
and
nail
every
day
to
make
sure
that
tennessee
is
safe
and
that
victims
are
heard
from
in
tennessee.
A
Thank
you
representing
beck.
L
I
I
think
you've
answered
most
of
my
questions
that
I
had
got
in
line
a
couple
of
speaker
members
ago,
but
mike,
I
guess,
and
you
talked
about
our
victim's
notification
that
we
already
have
in
tennessee
and
the
and,
as
one
of
the
previous
members
said,
we
do
fight
tooth
and
toenail
for
for
the
rights
of
the
victims,
what
is,
and
then
the
representative
of
memphis
was
asking
about
what
is
not
in
the
code
right
now
other
than
elevating
the
right
of
that.
L
I
When
you
enact
a
statute,
you
run
the
risk
of
saying
we
don't
need
a
constitutional
amendment
and
a
statute
will
never
carry
the
weight
and
the
respect
that
a
constitutional
protection
carries.
No
one
would
ever
think
of
putting
our
you
know,
freedom
of
speech
or
right
to
bear
arms
or
freedom
of
religion.
In
a
statute.
I
You
know
we
wouldn't
think
of
protecting
the
defendant's
rights
in
a
statute.
Your
due
process
right,
you
know
your
right
to
counsel,
we
wouldn't
say:
oh
they're
protected
in
a
statute,
and
so
you
know
when
you
talk
about
a
quick
fix,
there
isn't
a
quick
fix.
If
you
truly
want
to
enshrine
and
elevate
and
hold
as
a
value
in
a
tenant
in
the
state
of
tennessee
a
victim
right,
you
must
elevate
it
to
the
constitution.
I
So
there
are
no
quick
fixes
here.
You
just
have
to
start
the
process,
because
it's
a
long
process,
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
earliest
that
it
could
be,
is
what
2026.
I
So
you
have
to
start
the
ball
rolling.
I
in
answer
to
your
question,
sir.
I
don't
think
there
are
any
quick
fixes,
sir.
I
Sure,
may
I
chairman.
I
Those
are
the
ones
that
I
feel
stand
out
and
are
the
greatest
protection
and
protections
participation
and
elevations
for
the
victims
in
tennessee,
sir.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
used
to
being
where
you
are.
I
apologize.
I
J
I
L
I
Victim
notification
would
occur
at
all
stages
of
the
proceeding,
including
when
you
are
being
released,
pre-indictment,
okay,
so
that
would
allow,
as
I
indicated,
the
victim
of
a
crime
before
it
is
actually
charged
to
know
that
that
individual
was
being
released,
moved
or
or
had
concerns
issues.
L
L
Well,
we're
not
allowed
to
do
that
so
unless
he
wants
to
raise
his
hand
and
be
heard.
Okay.
Very,
very,
very
good
I
just
was
was
what,
as
a
as
things
were
going
around,
I
was
wondering
what
we're
not
doing
today,
that
marcy's
law
would
do
in
shrine
and
you've
answered
that
very
well.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
and
judge
verdine
for
being
here
again.
I
just
wanted
to
go
with
you
to
logistically
make
this
happen.
Marcy's
law.
Do
you
envision
is
typically
going
to
take
more
victim,
witness
coordinators
to
be
able
to
inform
the
victims
when
courts
going
on
have
them
there
in
court,
coordinate
with
them,
so
they
can
have
a
voice
in
the
courtroom,
because
that's
that's
the
major
issue
this
this
legislation
and
this
constitutional
amendment
is
seeking.
Is
it
not.
F
And
so
you
know
10
million
bucks
at
30
000
a
year.
That's
333
people
that
would
be
people
working
in
the
state
of
tennessee
contributing
to
their
community,
helping
in
the
courtrooms
at
40
grand
it'd
be
250
people.
You
know,
tennessee
ran
in
this
past
january
2021
we
had
380
million
dollars
over
budgeted
revenue
collections
380..
F
I
just
saw
a
recent
article
this
morning,
where
the
governor
added
a
line
item
to
spend
13.5
billion
to
help
the
knoxville
sports
authority
to
build
a
baseball
stadium
out
there.
I
think
we
can
do
both.
We've
got
the
funds
to
do
it
and
this
this
money
to
help
these
victim
witness
coordinators.
We
have
victim
witness
coordinators
in
tennessee
right
now
through
the
da's
office,
but
they're
understaffed,
I'm
familiar
with,
have
been
there
done
that
they're
trying
to
cover
too
many
courts.
They
can't
cover
general
sessions
in
juveniles.
F
A
Thank
you
for
that
leader,
lambert
on
the
list.
I
think.
E
I
E
I
I
E
E
E
E
I
don't
know
how
to
say
it.
I
mean
I've
lived
it.
I've
been
there
as
a
district
attorney
advocating
for
that
victim.
This
leaves
them
out
in
the
cold
by
themselves.
I
know
that's,
not
your
intention,
but
this
language,
in
my
opinion,
does
that
and
I
have
an
issue
with
it.
So
I
guess
I'm
coming
at
this
from
a
different
angle.
I
don't
think
the
language
of
this
constitutional
amendment
goes
far
enough,
so
we
have
ample
time
to
get
this
right.
E
I
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
that,
but
I
feel
like
you're
saying:
do
it
today
or
never
do
it
and
I'm
saying
let's
do
it
and
get
it
right
and
actually
stand
for
our
victims
and
not
just
do
something
quickly,
just
to
get
something
done,
and
I
I
just
don't
think
that's
the
situation
we're
in
with
a
six-year
runway
to
get
this
on
the
ballot.
That's
just
my
thoughts.
I
would
love
to
hear
yours.
I
I
I
guess
what
I'm
advocating
is
a
firm
commitment
from
this
committee
that
you
would
like
to
see
a
constitutional
amendment
happen
that
creates
an
enforcement
provision
so
that
victims
can
have
meaningful
and
enforceable
rights,
as
is
suggested
in
marcy's
law.
So
you
and
I,
and
all
of
us
could
debate
for
a
long
time.
But
really
my
purpose
here
is
to
bring
this
to
you
to
tell
you
that
this
deserves
priority
in
your
consideration
and
that
it
is
urgent.
I
E
Yes,
ma'am,
I
can
absolutely
honor
guarantee
you
that
this
is
a
top
priority
for
me,
and
I
think
I
can
speak
for
a
majority,
at
least
of
this
body
in
saying
that
supporting
victims,
rights
and
standing
for
them
and
getting
to
a
resolution
on
this
to
make
sure
that
this
language
is
right
is
something
that
I
will
absolutely
support.
I
don't
think
it's
there
yet.
I
think
the
language,
while
many
have
worked
for
weeks
on
this
still
needs
work,
but
we
absolutely
have
to
get
there.
E
I
think
it
is
critical
that
we
do
so,
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
on
that,
because
I
think
the
procedures
may
be
different
here
than
in
other
states.
Just
like
the
language
has
been
different
in
virtually
every
state.
That's
passed
this
it's
and
you're
shaking
your
head.
E
Yes,
and
I'm
glad
we
agree
on
that,
because
it
needs
to
match
the
state
that
it's
in
in
order
to
work
well
for
the
victims,
so
that
we
don't
just
get
something
on
paper,
because
I
know
you
guys
don't
want
that
and
we
don't
either
we
want
to
get
it
right.
So,
thank
you,
your
honor,
for
your
testimony.
Today,
you
did
a
phenomenal
job
in
a
very
different
role,
I'm
sure
from
what
you're
used
to
so.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
I
A
Members
we
have
a
hard
stop
at
noon.
That's
in
six
minutes,
so
we
are
going
to
call
it
one
of
our
our
others.
We
have
four
here.
We
have
the
district
attorney's
office,
the
sheriff's
association,
the
tennessee
bureau
of
investigation
and
the
chiefs
of
police
that
wish
to
testify
and
we'll
hear
the
district
attorney's
conference
first
and
then
we'll
go
from
there
as
time
permits.
M
We
appreciate
very
much
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
on
this
issue.
The
da's
conference
is
also
grateful
for
the
opportunity,
through
many
meetings
that
we've
had
with
the
sponsors
of
this
legislation
and
also
with
the
folks
from
marsy's
law
to
try
to
craft
a
version
of
this
particular
bill
or
resolution.
Rather,
that
would
complement
tennessee's
already
robust
constitutional
provisions
protecting
the
rights
of
victims
of
crime,
as
well
as
a
proposal
that
would
fit
with
our
unique
court
structure,
criminal
justice
system
and
resources.
M
Despite
our
best
efforts,
however,
we
still
remain
concerned
about
a
number
of
the
provisions
of
this
legislation:
tennessee's
da's
and
assistant
da's,
fight
for
justice
and
victims
in
the
courtroom
process
across
tennessee
every
day.
We
have
and
will
continue
to
work,
to
improve
our
laws,
resources
and
outcomes
for
victims
and
make
tennessee
a
better
and
safer
place
to
live.
The
stories
you
have
heard
are
the
types
of
examples
that
inform
and
motivate
our
efforts
to
improve
our
system
each
year.
Our
hearts
go
out
to
these
victims
and
their
pain.
M
We
all
naturally
want
to
do
something
about
the
situations
they
describe.
However,
the
current
marsy's
law
proposal
would
likely
not
have
changed
any
of
their
concerns
or
perceptions
in
a
material
way.
It
seems
that
either
these
were
issues
not
addressed
by
a
courtroom
or
by
a
judge,
or
that
they
would
not
involve
a
victim's
right
as
indicated
and
described
in
marsy's
law.
While
we
made
a
proposal
that
we
believed
would
we
have
also
strived
to
assume
and
to
make
sure
that
its
coverage
and
impact
are
well
understood
and
beneficial.
M
There
are
certain
provisions
within
marsy's
law
that
we
greatly
like.
There
are
some
that
we've
asked
for
stronger
language
in,
but
we
are
concerned
that
this
version
is
not
tennessee
specific
and
it
does
not
ultimately
benefit
victims,
as
it
should.
First,
the
language
and
absence
of
accompanying
enabling
legislation
provides
vagueness.
M
It
creates
situations
where
you
don't
know
what
you're
voting
on
and
you
don't
know
what
the
cost
could
be,
and
you
don't
know
what
the
outcome
could
be
and
while
that
should
never
stop
a
robust
discussion
of
an
important
issue,
they
are
issues
that
you
all
grapple
with
every
day.
The
issues
of
who
will
provide
notice.
How
will
it
be
provided?
Who
will
man
the
court
systems?
How
many
will
man
the
court
systems?
I
currently
have
four
victim
witness
coordinators
for
22
courts
that
we
serve.
M
It
is
simply
impossible
to
do
what
we
do
with
what
is
proposed
here.
Second,
in
addition
to
introducing
uncertainty
into
the
system,
the
primary
impact
of
marsha's
law
would
also
extend
current
victims,
rights
and
services
from
our
fo
from
our
serious
cases
and
those
cases
that
end
up
in
front
of
a
jury
and
in
criminal
court
to
all
cases
in
the
system,
and
while
we
have
absolutely
no
opposition
to
that-
and
we
have
spoken
to
them
about
that,
we
simply
can't
do
it
with
the
current
resources
that
we
have.
M
You
all
spoke
somewhat
about
the
juvenile
court
system,
juvenile
court.
Currently,
we
don't
cover
juvenile
court
the
same
way
we
do
all
of
the
other
criminal
courts
in
tennessee.
There
are
specific
problems
in
that.
If
we
do
require
restitution
be
paid
as
a
constitutional
mandate
when
they
opt
out
and
they
don't
get
restitution,
there
is
a
constitutional
violation,
regardless
of
how
well
everybody
operated
within
the
system
we
have.
We
have
calculated
that
the
workload
increase
would
be
roughly
500
percent
or
greater
upon
all
of
our
offices.
M
Lastly,
we
don't
know
what
enforcement
means.
Does
that
mean
that,
for
example,
a
sentence
would
be
set
aside?
We've
asked
for
specific
directions
about
that,
and
we
don't
know
what
that
means.
We,
because
we
represent
every
criminal
case
in
the
system.
We
feel
like
answers
to
these
are
necessary.
We
continue
to
remain
willing
to
work
with
the
sponsors
of
this
legislation
and
with
you
to
try
to
create
craft
legislation
that
benefits
all
of
tennessee's
victims.
M
We
are
not
here
saying
that
marsy's
law
is
bad.
We
are
here
saying
that
there
are
significant
concerns
that
have
to
be
addressed
by
you,
the
policy
and
budgetary
minors
in
tennessee.
It
is
your
job,
it
is
your
responsibility.
In
fact,
it
is
your
privilege
to
get
to
tell
tennessee
what
the
policy
should
be
and
then
to
develop
a
way
to
work
it.
A
Thank
you,
members.
We
have
about
30
seconds
left
before
we
have
to
take
a
recess
and
I'm
going
to
announce
that
later
we
will
continue
this
conversation
tomorrow.
A
So
if,
if
we
can,
we
will,
we
will
go
back
into
session,
we're
back
in
the
session
members
we're
going
to
stay
where
we're
at
in
the
posture
we
are
on
this
bill.
We
are
going
to
recess
until
2
p.m.
Tomorrow,
where
we
will
come
back
to
hear
further
testimony
recess,
2
pm
tomorrow,.