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House Criminal Justice Committee - March 24, 2021 - House Hearing Room 2
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E
Over
those
years,
you've
identified
some
places
that
need
to
be
cleaned
up,
but
also
some
that
need
to
some
additional
changes
or
wheels.
As
we
say,
tweaks.
Some
of
those
include
making
the
process
a
little
easier
to
take
an
elderly
adult's,
deposition
and
two
making
certain
that
elderly
protective
services
can
make
disclosures
to
prosecutors.
Of
course,
I'm
referring
there
to
their
aps
personnel
and,
finally,
allowing
aggravated
adult
elderly
abuse
to
be
considered
an
offense
that
would
be
felony
murder
if
the
elderly
adult
dies.
E
Mr
chairman,
there
are
following
there
are
16
sections
that
this
legislation
affects.
I
don't
think
you
need
me
to
stand
here
and
go
through
all
those
different
sections.
I
don't
think
the
committee
would
want
to
do
that.
However,
we
do
with
us
today
we
do
have
mr
steve
crump
judicial
district
10.
Out
of
the
cleve
bradley
county
area,
with
him,
of
course,
guy
jones,
our
executive
director
of
the
attorneys
general
conference.
A
Does
anyone
have
any
questions?
I
don't
I
don't
see
anyone
chairman
keisling.
We
appreciate
this
bill
and
what
you're
doing
right.
We
know
that
there
is
a
problem
here
and
we
just
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
bringing
attention
to
it.
So
if
there
is
no
question,
then
we're
going
to
vote
on
house
bill,
7
18
by
chairman
keisling,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
posers
know
that
bill
passes
and
it
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you,
chairman.
A
All
right
we're
on
number
four
house
bill
578
by
chairman
reagan,
chairman
reagan,
are
you
in
the
house,
okay,
we're
going
to
roll
that
one
is
he
somebody
said
he
was
in
committee
yeah.
If
you
would
just
go
ahead
and
page
him
and
we'll
take
him
when
he
comes
in
seriously
texas,
you
can
do
that.
You
know
how
to
text
right.
A
Five
spaces
make
a
motion,
wrote
all
in
favor
of
that
say:
aye
rolling
in
five
spaces
no
need
to
text
every
movie,
all
right,
we're
going
to
house
bill
976
by
chairman
williams,
chairman
williams,
are
you
in
the
house?
Nobody
likes
us
today:
do
they
they're
all
hiding
from
us
yeah?
Let's
just
give
him
a
minute.
I
think
someone
went
to
get
him.
A
G
Yeah
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
chairman
reagan
for
doing
that,
and
that
was
chairman
reagan.
Members
had
drafted
this
at
my
request.
I
had
spent
some
time
with
chairman
reagan
realized.
I
think
his
bill
does
what
I
had
intended
for
it
to
do.
So
I
don't
think
there's
any
need
for
this
amendment.
A
I
I
want
to,
I
want
to
say
a
special
thank
you
to
our
vice
chairman,
making
his
debut
today.
So
thank
you
for
filling
in
for
me,
while
I
was
by
the
by
the
grace
of
the
good
lord
and
the
kind
committee
passing
a
bill
across
the
hallway.
So
thank
you
for
for
the
time,
and
we
are
on
item
number
four,
which
is
house
bill
578
by
chairman
reagan,
chairman
reagan,
you're
recognized
thank.
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According
to
the
american
psychological
association
and
information
from
psychological
studies,
they
indicate
that
young
children
and
teens
have
three
characteristics
which
may
influence
their
decision
making
in
the
wrong
way.
They
have
a
high
tolerance
for
risk.
They
attend
primarily
to
short-term
consequences
and
they're
more
easily
influenced
by
others,
that
is
to
say
peer
group,
social,
medias
and
so
forth.
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Consequently,
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
we
protect
our
minors
by
setting
certain
minimum
wages
for
decisions
below
the
age
of
18.
For
example,
there's
a
minimum
wage
for
a
driver's
license.
There's
a
minimum
age
for
enlistment.
There's
a
minimum
age
for
legal
marriage
consent
to
marriage.
There
are
there's
a
minimum
legal
drinking
age.
There
are
truancy
laws
and
so
forth.
F
F
In
addition
to
the
obvious,
there
are
potential
side
effects
from
severe
joint
pain,
osteoporosis,
compromised
immune
systems,
mental
health
issues
such
as
severe
depression
and
even
suicidal
ideation
and
the
federal
drug
administration.
The
fda
has
reported
that
twenty
four
thousand
cases
exist
over
half
of
which
have
been
deemed
serious,
negative
or
adverse
reactions.
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F
Beyond
puberty
blockers
and
sex
hormone
treatments,
surgery
obviously
permanently
alters
the
body.
We
have
numerous
laws
in
our
state.
I've
mentioned
some
already,
but
one
in
particular
is
applicable
here
in
respect
to
that,
one
could
say
that.
Well,
parents
can
do
this,
but
we
prohibit
parents
from
making
the
decision
for
children
in
the
case
of
female
genital
mutilation,
mutilation.
Sorry,
our
law
3913-110
specifically
states
that
anyone
knowingly
circumcises
excises
infibulates
female
genitalia
is
committing
a
class
d.
Felony
consent
to
this
procedure
is
not
authorized
for
a
parent
to
give
period.
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F
Unauthorized
observation:
if
you
want
the
correct
term,
a
parent
can't
say
it's
okay
for
you
to
look
at
my
child,
so
we
have
precedent
in
law
where
our
state
says
there
are
things
that
parents
cannot
authorize
for
their
children.
This
bill
is
simply
saying
that
we
have
potentially
life-altering
consequences
involved
here,
regardless
of
what
the
parents
say.
The
american
college
of
pediatricians
has
condemned
hormone
treatment
and
sexual
opera
or
surgical
operations
for
children
with
gender
dysphoria
as
child
abuse.
F
In
summary,
the
purpose
of
this
bill
is
about
informed
choices.
Minors
can
suffer
extreme
harm,
attempting
to
transition
and
their
parents,
in
most
cases
below
the
age
of
puberty,
for
the
child
can't
make
these
decisions
for
them.
If
this
law
is
passed,
I
will
say
that
between
the
age
of
puberty
and
18,
this
law
has
an
exception
in
it,
which
allows,
with
the
permission,
written
permission
of
parents,
two
physicians
and
a
third
physician
who
is
a
adolescent
psychiatrist
to
be
able
to
go
forward
with
that.
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In
the
midst
of
modern
cultures,
fac
infatuation
with
gender
ideology,
the
american
college
of
pediatricians
is
concerned
that
the
field
of
medicine
and
society
at
large
are
coming
close
to
denying
the
reality
of
biological
sex.
American
college
of
pediatrician
explains
the
dangers
of
erasing
biological
sex
in
its
position.
Paper
sex
is
a
biological
variable
of
medical
significance.
It
was
released
on
march
second,
twenty
twenty
one
american
college
of
pediatricians
vice
president
and
co-author
of
this
study,
dr
michael
artigas,
stated
biological
sex
differences
are
real
and
impact
all
organ
systems.
C
They
affect
the
tendency
to
develop
certain
diseases.
Although
responses
to
drugs,
toxins
and
pain,
they
also
result
in
important
physical,
cognitive,
emotional
and
behavioral
differences
between
the
two
sexes.
For
these
reasons,
the
nih
national
institutes
of
health
recognizes
sex
as
a
binary
biological
variable
in
research
and
medical
practice.
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C
I
Thank
you,
representative,
griffey
and
members
I
should
have
mentioned
before
I
asked
for
questions
I
want
to
let
you
know
we
do
have
folks
here
to
testify
on
this
bill.
So
rep,
chairman
holsey,
I've
got
you
on
my
list
next.
Would
you
prefer
to
wait
until
after
the
testimony
or
do
you
have
questions
for
the
sponsor?
J
F
Reagan,
you
are
correct
as
prohibited
below
the
age
of
puberty,
which
is
defined
in
our
code
already.
The
three
doctors
that
I
mentioned
are
there,
but
they
must
also
have
parental
or
guardian
consent
in
that
as
well.
So
there
are
actually
four
checks
there:
three
physicians
and
the
parent
or
guardian
as
well.
I
No
nothing
further,
chairman
holzer!
Okay,
thank
you,
members
with
no
one
else
on
my
list.
We
are
going
to
go
out
of
session
and
we'll
go
first
to
dr
kristen
rager,
dr
rager.
If
you're
with
us
all
right,
ma'am,
just
so
you'll
know
how
this
works,
you
can
sit
or
stand
whichever
you
prefer
make
sure
the
microphone
is
on.
I
You'll
know
that
with
the
red
button
illuminated
next
to
the
it's
like
a
picture
of
a
mouth
talking
and
then,
if
you'll
just
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
then
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
share
with
the
committee
whatever
you'd
like
after
that,
there
will
be
unlimited
time
for
questions
and
answer,
but
everyone
will
have
to
work
through
the
chair
in
order
to
ask
you
a
question
so
I'll
call
on
you
and
call
on
the
member
at
the
time
comes.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
K
L
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L
L
Hormone
blockers
push
the
pause
button
on
puberty
once
it
has
started,
which
gives
everyone
involved
a
lot
of
time
to
do
their
research
to
meet
with
experts
and
gather
their
support
systems.
If
stopped
puberty
continues
on,
normally
puberty
blockers
again
are
safe.
They
are
reversible
and
they
are
life-saving.
L
L
The
american
academy
of
pediatrics
is
the
well-respected
professional
organization
joined
by
the
vast
majority
of
pediatricians
across
the
country,
with
a
membership
of
more
than
70
000
pediatricians,
the
aap
and
the
tennessee
chapter
of
the
aap
strongly
oppose
anti-trans
bills
such
as
this
one
federal
courts
and
statutes
have
consistently
recognized
the
rights
of
parents
to
make
informed
medical
decisions
regarding
their
children.
Doctors
here
in
tennessee,
follow
well-established
stringent
guidelines
for
taking
care
of
transgender
youth.
There
is
zero
zero
evidence
to
suggest
there
are
dangers
within
our
current
system
of
care
in
tennessee.
L
So
where
does
the
actual
danger
lie
in
the
care
of
young
trans
folks,
we
have
all
heard
the
heartbreaking
statistics
about
the
mental
health
risk
in
trans
youth,
including
depression,
anxiety
and
suicide
risk.
More
than
half
of
them
report
feeling,
suicidal
and
one
out
of
three
report
a
suicide
attempt.
I
I
L
L
I'm
sorry,
how
is
how
are
puberty
blockers
life-saving
in
my
in
taking
care
of
transgender
youth,
and
there
also
studies
to
support
this,
that
transgender
youth
are
at
risk
very
high
risk
of
suicide.
Frankly,
if
they're
not
allowed
to
have
appropriate
medical
care,
appropriate
medical
care
would
be
medicines
such
as
puberty
blockers,
and
when
we
use
those
it
saves
their
lives,
it
prevents
suicide.
M
I
L
L
Know
what
that
what
I
think
was
asked
is
what
what,
if
what
would
a
bill
like
this
if
past
show
transgender
youth
around
our
country,
that
we
think
about
them?
Correct,
sir,
I
think
it
says
that
we
think
their
lives
are
not
valuable,
that
we
do
not
care
if
we
pass
a
bill
that
will
directly
result
in
their
deaths
and
even
more
so
than
death,
sorrow
and
misery
and
tendency
families
I
was
born
here.
L
L
L
I
I
have
to
say
that
this
is
how
I
think
about
it.
Imagine
that
you
have
a
child
with
a
medical
condition.
That's
completely
treatable,
but
it's
rare,
and
so
you
look
and
you
find
a
specialist
who
you
know,
can
take
great
care
of
your
kid.
You
find
them
and
that's
me,
you
bring
your
child
to
me
and
you're
like
please
help
us
we're
struggling.
L
My
child
is
suffering
and,
and
they
say,
do
you
know
how
to
help
us,
and
I
say
yes,
I
absolutely
know
how
to
help
you,
but
I
can't
because
our
state
legislature
has
decided
to
pass
the
law
saying
that
I
will
go
to
jail
if
I
do
and
then
that
you
mom
and
dad,
because
we
involve
both
parents
in
every
decision
can
also
go
to
jail
for
this.
So
I'm
sorry,
we
can't
provide
your
child
with
life-saving
care.
L
That's
what
I
feel
like
you're
asking
me
to
do,
and
and
that's
why
I'm
here
right
now,
because
because
it
it's
keeping
me
up
at
night
thinking
about
that,
I
took
an
oath
that
I
would
not
do
harm
and
that
would
be
providing.
That
would
be
presenting
direct
harm
to
children.
This
bill
will
not
protect
children.
Let
me
be
very
clear:
this
bill
protects
no
child
and,
in
fact,
puts
children
at
risk.
Risk
of
harm
risk
of
depression,
risk
of
anxiety,
risk
of
death.
J
I
can't
remember
the
exact
number
four
or
five
years
ago,
the
chief
of
psychiatry
at
john
hopkins
came
out
with
an
article
and
said
there
was
a
percentage
of
kids
and
adults
both
who,
after
a
period
of
time,
wanted
to
come
back
to
whatever
the
biological
sex
that
they
were
born
with.
Have
you
found
a
percentage
like
that
in
dealing
with
the
children
that
you
deal
with.
L
L
L
L
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
distinction.
The
american
college
of
pediatricians,
which
was
referenced
earlier.
The
acp
is
an
anti-lgp
lgbt
hate
group
with
a
few
hundred
members.
It's
a
relatively
new
organization,
the
organization
where
the
majority
of
pediatricians
join
more
than
approximately
70
000
pediatricians
is
the
aap.
L
The
american
academy
of
pediatrics
and
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics
strongly
opposes
bills
such
as
this
one
and
specifically
came
out
with
a
statement
earlier
this
week
saying
that
they
opposed
these
bills
across
the
country,
including
the
one
in
tennessee.
The
aap
is
the
organization
that
is
well
respected
across
the
country
that
pediatricians
join
and
again
they
strongly
oppose
both
the
national
organization
and
the
tennessee
organization
strongly
oppose
this
bill.
Pediatricians
care
about
kids,
pediatricians
and
ho
their
whole
job
is
to
protect
kids,
70
000
of
us
across
the
country
oppose
bills
like
this.
A
A
A
All
of
these
things,
in
my
opinion,
are
your
opinion,
and
just
because
that
you
claim
there
are
seventy
thousand
pediatricians
that
you
speak
for
all
of
them.
I
would
prefer
that
we'd
have
all
seventy
thousand
with
their
signatures
so
that
we
don't
claim
that
you're
speaking
for
all
of
them.
So
I
want
you
to
understand,
I
don't
hate
children,
I
love
children
and
I
don't
hate
people
that
are
different
and
it
offends
me
when
someone
else
tells
me
that
I
hate,
because
I
have
a
different
opinion.
A
L
I
Dr
rigger,
if
you'd
like
to
respond
just
just
so
we're
clear,
we've
got
several
folks
on
the
list
to
testify
today
and
several
folks
who'd
like
to
ask
you
questions
right.
So
you
can
take
as
much
time
as
you
like,
but
we
are
limited
that
we
only
have
the
room
until
5
30
today.
Just
to
give
you
a
heads
up.
First.
L
I
I'll
tell
you
what
we're
gonna
do
if
you
could
hold
on
for
me,
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
on.
I've
got
several
folks
on
the
list.
Okay
and
again,
my
job
here
is
to
help
maintain
order
in
this
committee,
which
is
why
I
call
on
you
and
then
I
call
on
a
member.
So
if
you
could
just
just
give
me
some
eye
contact
before
you,
you
get
started
and
I'll
call
on
you.
It's
just
my
job
to
be
the
referee.
So
if
you
could
help
me
out
with
that,
I'd
appreciate
it.
Next.
D
Just
a
couple
of
questions,
and
one
thank
you
for
coming
here
today-
I'm
trying
to
kind
of
get
to
the
bottom
there's
a
lot
of
opinions
and
strong
emotions
on
this
issue.
Obviously,
would
you
at
least
agree
to
me
with
me
that
when
you
were
meeting
with
a
parent
and
a
child
or
parent
and
a
child,
that
this
is
a
very
serious
decision
that
they
may
be
embarking
upon?
Dr
reger,
are
you
recognized.
L
D
D
The
decisions
they
make
in
your
office
can
both
positively
or
negatively
affect
their
lives
going
forward.
It's
a
very
serious
decision
that
they're,
making
and
depending
upon
which
pathway
they
choose
after
you
meet
with
them,
can
have
serious
repercussions
on
their
lives,
either
positive
or
negative.
L
I
believe
what
I'm
sorry,
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
by
the
question.
I
believe
that
what
you're
saying
is
that
choices
in
the
office
are
made
by
parents
and
their
children
in
conjunction
with
a
knowledgeable
physician
such
as
myself,
and
that
is
the
norm
for
medical
decision
making
about
health
care
with
children
under
18..
D
When
I
go
to
the
doctor
as
an
adult
I
meet
my
doctor,
I
have
a
physical.
The
doctor
makes
recommendations
on
eating
better,
more
exercise,
kind
of
standard
things
that
they
would
say
could
potentially
improve
your
health
outcomes.
I
have
a
decision
to
make.
I
can
follow
that
doctor's
advice,
or
I
can
make
my
own
decision,
depending
on
how
I
choose
can
positively
or
negatively
affect
my
life
going
forward.
D
D
D
Leader
lamberth,
thank
you
and
doctor.
If
you'll
notice,
I
go
through
the
chairman
as
well,
so
it's
it's
not
you!
It's
us
it's!
It
is
the
the
way
in
which
it
prevents
folks
from
just
kind
of
talking
back
and
forth
over
each
other.
So
chairman,
thank
you
for
maintaining
order.
We
all
appreciate
it
very
much
so
doctor
in
this
bill.
D
Again,
you
know
we
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
you
know
these
children
and
their
parents
come
and
meet
with
you
and
whether
you
understood
the
question
I
was
trying
to
ask
or
whether
I
just
wasn't
asking
it
the
proper
way.
I
think
when
a
child
is
going
through
a
difficult
situation
like
this
and
they
are
questioning
their
own
gender.
D
I
would
consider
that
very
serious
and
depending
upon
what
they
and
their
parents
choose,
I
would
imagine,
could
have
some
very
positive
or
negative
effects
on
their
life
going
forward.
In
fact,
they
can,
after
the
entire
course
of
their
life,
depending
what
they
choose
when
they're
sitting
in
your
office
office.
D
L
It's
a
very
specific
decision
based
on
the
child.
I
think
that
you
are
assuming
that
I
am
guiding
everyone
down
a
path
of
changing
their
gender,
and
that
is
a
false
assumption
and
not
everyone
comes
to
me
wanting
to
do
that.
Many
people
come
to
me
just
to
talk
and
to
learn
because
they're,
curious
and
and
they're
just
there
to
talk
to
an
expert.
D
Leader,
lambert,
I
find
it
very
interesting
the
questions
that
you're
avoiding
today
and
the
ones
you're
jumping
right
into
so
that's
fine.
This
is
how
you
make
your
living
correct
on
guiding
children
on
how
to
choose
a
gender
that
is
not
necessarily
their
birth,
gender.
That's
that's
how
you
make
your
money
right.
L
I
I
I
D
Lambert,
you
recognized
chairman
I'll
wrap
it
up.
I
just
you
know
doctor.
I
was
trying
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
maybe
explain
a
little
better
than
what
the
website
does.
It's
probably
displayed
on
your
website.
You
know
it
seems,
like
you
seek
out
patients
that
are
in
this
arena
and
that's
fine.
I
mean
that's,
that's
your
business
model.
It
appears
out,
at
least
from
the
website
and
if
you've
read
the
bill,
the
bill
requires.
You
know
a
couple
of
doctors
to
sign
off
on
this.
D
Both
parents
to
be
involved
somewhat,
some
of
what
you
have
described
and
if
you
have
a
problem
with
them
getting
a
second
opinion
and
if
you
have
a
problem
with
them,
making
a
decision
that
might
not
necessarily
match
up
with
your
opinion,
I've
made
medical
decisions
in
my
life
that
my
doctor
disagreed
with.
I
could
feel
their
disappointment.
These
children
are
very
impressionable
ma'am.
You
can
make
a
face
if
you
want
to
you'll,
have
a
chance
to
respond
in
a
moment
but
you're
a
doctor.
These
children
do
look
up
to
you
all.
D
I
would
hope
that
it
would
not,
but
at
the
same
time
this
bill
makes
sure
everybody's
on
the
same
page
before
they
go
down
a
course.
That
is
a
very
serious
decision.
So
that's
the
only
point
I
was
trying
to
make
is
that
nobody's
barring
you
from
being
able
to
guide
children,
especially
once
they
hit
puberty,
but
it
does
make
sure
that
there
is
more
going
on
than
just
your
opinion
or
guidance
on
the
issue,
but
I
appreciate
your
testimony
today.
D
L
I
would
love
to
respond,
because
this
really
isn't
about
me.
It's
not
about
me
at
all,
it's
about
the
kids
and
I
am
not
unilaterally
making
any
decisions
for
any
children
again.
We
involve
families
in
every
decision,
often
other
providers,
and
I
find
it
offensive
that
the
way
you're
characterizing
this
for
me
right
now.
I
Next
on
my
list
and
members
again,
I
will
of
course
I
want
to
give
everybody
enough
time
to
ask
questions.
I
have
several
on
the
list.
We
have
three
more
people
to
testify
on
this
bill
and
we
have
several
other
bills
on
the
calendar
today.
So
when
I
call
on
you,
if
you
feel
like
you
need
to
ask
your
question,
I'd
love
for
you
to
do
so.
If
you
feel
like
you'd
like
to
pass,
you
can
do
that
as
well.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
Thank
you,
dr
reagan,
for
being
here
today.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
ask
it
this
way.
If
this
legislation
passes,
is
it
fair
to
say
that
it
may
have
a
negative
financial
impact
on
a
part
of
your
practice?
Your
current
prac
medical
practice
is
that
a
fair
statement.
C
Her
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
mr
chairman.
I
would
just
simply
comment
that,
whether
somebody
that's
presenting
testimony
to
the
committee,
if
they
have
a
financial
stake
in
the
outcome
of
legislation,
I
think
it's
fair
for
this
committee
to
at
least
be
have
the
opportunity
to
question
the
witness
about
that
and
let
the
witness
answer
that.
So,
if
I
may,
I
would
like
that
question
answered
if
the
chair
would
allow
it
please.
Dr.
L
C
You,
mr
chairman,
let
me
ask
you
this.
Please,
dr
reagar,
you
indicated
you
found
a
defensive.
The
way
a
question
was
characterized
or
something.
Let
me
share
this
with
you.
I
do
find
it
offensive
that
you
feel
this
bill
is
discriminatory,
that
we
don't
care
about
tennessee
children
who
are
going
through
these
issues.
C
My
heart
breaks
for
everyone
that
has
to
deal
with
this
issue,
and
let
me
go
on
to
this
is:
is
it
true
that
gender
dysphoria
there's
no
blood
test,
there's
no
dna
test
or
a
chart?
You
can
look
at
and
and
point
to
and
say
this
person's
going
to
have
tr
gender
dysphoria
or
is
transgender
or
this
one's.
Not
it's
it's
all
self-reported.
Is
it
not
kind
of
like
pain.
L
I
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
ma'am
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
the
profession
that
you've
chosen
I've
known
quite
a
few
pediatricians
in
my
life,
ob
gyns,
and
I
know
that
it
wouldn't
matter
what
we
pay
child.
It
wouldn't
be
enough.
I've
got
three
children,
they've
seen
the
pediatrician
any
number
of
times
and,
of
course,
their
mom
and
ob
gyn.
N
There
is
no
amount
of
money
that
number
one
would
be
too
much
for
me
to
get
the
kind
of
care
that
y'all
provide
for
the
mothers
and
for
the
children
and
the
other
is
I've.
I've
known,
ob
gyns
who
do
charity
work.
They
their
own
lives
are
earned
because
they've
got
to
be
available
to
their
patients
and
I
sense
the
same
type
of
dedication
from
you,
and
I
appreciate
it.
N
The
organizations
that
you
cite
it
one
with
a
couple
of
hundred
members
and
one
with
70
000
members,
I'm
proud
to
say
that
my
pediatricians,
when
my
children
were
small,
were
members
of
the
american
academy
of
pediatricians
and
every
pediatrician
that
I've
known
has
been
professional,
has
been
dedicated
and
I
think,
like
them,
you're,
probably
dedicated
to
doing
no
harm.
Okay,
I
think
the
last
question
that
was
asked
by
my
colleague
is
whether
you
have
advised
both
ways:
okay,
whether
you
give
the
best
advice
for
the
individual.
L
N
L
Yes,
sir,
I
think
that
is
really
an
excellent
point.
You
know
I
I
don't
know
of
any
other
medical
procedure
that
exists.
That
requires
three
physicians
sign
off
on
it.
First
of
all,
it
is
a
huge
barrier
both
because
seeing
three
physicians
is
a
lot,
but
in
particular,
when
they
are
specialists,
of
whom
there
are
a
few
very
few
in
the
state
and
very
few
across
the
country
we're
talking
about
adolescent
medicine,
specialists
like
myself
and
pediatric,
endocrine
endocrinologists
and
child
and
adolescent
psychiatrists.
L
N
N
Well,
let's
go
to
the
the
pre
puberty
dictates
in
the
bill,
you're
telling
us
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
anyway,
because
that's
not
what
you
do
and
you're
also
telling
us
that
when
you
do
use
the
treatments
or
therapies
that
it's
designed
to
help
the
patient
is
designed
for
the
best
possible
health
outcome
for
the
patient,
and
that
could
be
physical
health.
It
could
be
emotional
or
psychological
health.
Is
that
true
and
expound.
L
Yes,
sir,
that
is
true.
The
only
recommended
treatment
that
we
have
for
people
who
are
pre-pubertal
is
for
parents
to
just
love
their
children,
which
they're
very
happy
to
do.
The
recommended
treatments
that
we
have
for
those
who
have
entered
into
puberty
are
treatments
that
are
recognized
by
multiple
national
guidelines
as
being
the
standard
of
care
for
these
kids.
L
I
I
O
O
O
O
O
What
I
see
every
day
is
lgbtq
and
particularly
trans
young
adults
kicked
out
of
their
homes
because
of
an
atmosphere
of
intolerance
that
this
bill
will
perpetuate.
It
doesn't
matter
how
much
you
love
children,
it's
not
your
intent!
That
matters.
It's
the
impact
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
the
people.
We
will
be
seeing
in
18
years
when
they're
over
18
years
old.
If
this
bill
should
pass,
some
of
them
will
be
here
directly
because
they
were
unable
to
get
the
treatments
they
needed
before
they
were
18
or
because
they
were
kicked
out
by
parents.
I
P
P
There
were
no
trans
people
in
the
community
where
I
grew
up
being
out
was
a
death
sentence.
You
see,
I
was
raised
with
traditional
american
christian
values,
that
being
gay
is
a
sin,
that
being
trans
is
an
abomination,
an
affront
to
god,
a
danger
to
society
and
a
threat
to
our
children,
except
I
was
the
child.
P
P
P
P
Now
I
have
to
pay
thousands
of
dollars
to
not
hate
what
I
see
in
the
mirror,
every
single
day
to
fix
what
hormone
blockers
and
a
kinder
gentler,
more
compassionate
society
could
have
prevented
with
bills.
Like
this,
you
condemn
generations
of
children
to
the
same
pain,
fear
and
rejection.
I
faced
you
will
condone
the
same
culture
of
ignorance
and
bigotry,
pay
attention,
please
that
people
like
me
so
suffer
and
for
what
to
prove
yourselves
righteous
to
keep
all
those
dangerous
trans
children
in
their
place.
P
H
One
seventeen-year-old,
non-binary,
youth
from
dyersburg
shared
going
on
puberty
blockers
before
I
went
into
puberty
when
I
went
to
puberty
gave
me
the
time
I
needed
to
decide.
If
I
wanted
to
go
on
hormone
replacement
therapy,
I
ultimately
decided
that
I
did
not,
but
if
I
was
banned
from
using
blockers,
it
would
force
me
to
go
through
a
puberty.
I
wasn't
sure
I
wanted
I'm
so
grateful.
It
exists
for
those
who
do
decide
to
go
with
hormone
replacement
therapy.
H
A
young
person
from
lewisburg
shared
losing
the
ability
to
have
access
to
gender-affirming
health
care
would
just
further
the
suicidal
thoughts
that
pervade
my
head.
How
am
I
supposed
to
love
my
body
if
it
feels
wrong?
I've
had
friends,
who've
been
able
to
get
hormones
and
gender
affirming
therapy
and
they're
so
much
happier
more
comfortable
in
their
skin,
and
they
don't
want
to
tear
it
off
a
16
year
old
from
maryville
shared
hormones
saved
my
life.
H
Do
you
know
how
old
you
were
when
you
were
self-aware
of
your
gender?
I
knew
I
was
a
boy
since
I
was
six
or
seven
years
old.
My
parents
saw
it.
My
doctor
saw
it
people,
I've,
obviously
known
since
I
was
a
baby.
These
people
and
myself
know
me
best.
I
didn't
come
out
until
later,
until
the
suicidal
thoughts
and
depression
got
so
bad
that
I
covered
all
the
mirrors
in
my
house.
I
didn't
want
to
see
myself
because
I
wasn't
seeing
myself.
H
It
wasn't
me
in
that
mirror
hormones.
Let
me
be
me
to
see
me
without
hormone
therapy.
I
wouldn't
be
here
today
an
18
year
old
from
franklin
shared.
I
saw
my
best
friend
become
the
person
they
were
born
to
be
on
hormone
replacement
therapy.
From
the
moment
they
learned
they
could
go
on
to
hrt.
There
was
a
new
skip
in
their
step.
They
came
to
school
more.
They
did
better
in
class.
H
They
were
more
present
in
all
of
our
conversations,
taking
away
their
right
to
decide
what
is
best
for
their
body
without
more
difficulty
in
an
already
difficult
situation
would
have
only
brought
more
pressure
and
harm
to
them
for
a
state
of
politicians
that
lauds
small
government.
This
huge
governmental
reach
into
the
intimate
lives
of
youth
is
simply
appalling.
H
Young
people,
their
parents
and
their
personal
doctors
know
what
is
best
for
their
well-being,
creating
dangerous,
unnecessary
barriers
to
life-affirming
care
that
is
already
so
difficult
for.
Transgender
youth
to
access
contributes
to
suicidality
depression
and
self-harm,
the
endocrine
society,
american
medical
society,
american
psychological
society
that
was
incorrectly
referred
to
earlier,
american
psychiatric
association
and
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics
all
advocate
for
supporting
children
as
they
navigate
gender
identity
concerns.
H
I
H
I
F
First,
I
will
point
out
to
you
that
the
good
doctor
who
testified
before
us
eminently
well
qualified.
I
have
no
disparaging
comments
to
make,
except
I
will
point
out
that
the
identification
of
doctors
with
equal
qualifications,
that
is
to
say,
pediatricians,
who
disagreed
with
her,
were
tagged
as
a
hate
group.
F
F
Doctors
who
have
different
opinions
are
the
reason
we
seek
second
opinions,
this
bill,
contrary
to
what
was
said,
did
not
specify
any
specific
kind
of
doctor,
except
in
one
case.
If
you
read
the
bill,
it
says
two
doctors,
no
specialties
specified
the
only
specialty
was
an
adolescent
psychiatrist
or
a
psychiatrist
board
certified
and
adolescent
psychiatry.
F
F
F
F
The
path
that
is
specified
is
one
that
is
intended
to
protect
minors
and
I'll
remind
you
again.
The
definition
of
minor
in
our
society
is
somebody
under
the
age
of
18.
We
have
all
kinds
of
restrictions
in
place
on
those
miners
already.
I
mentioned
them
already
driver's
license
minimum
enlistment
ages,
consent
to
marriage,
age
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
F
If
we
collectively
this
body,
the
general
assembly
finds
it
fitting
to
put
another
restriction
for
miners
to
protect
them.
I
don't
see
the
problem
with
that.
The
sob
stories
that
we've
heard-
and
I
use
that
term
decidedly,
not
that
I'm
disparaging
the
people
who
experience
those
those
problems,
but
the
issue
is
we
collectively
not
only
have
it
within
our
power,
but
it
is
within
our
duty
to
protect
our
minor
citizens
and
that's
what
this
bill
is
about.
F
I
F
I
Q
Thank
you,
chairman
members.
I
have
a
newly
drafted
amendment.
I
think
he's
been
filed
with
the
committee.
It
just
is
a
technical
clarification.
The
previous
amendment
was
a
run-on
sentence
and
this
is
two
sentences
so
that
it
and
that
drafting
code
is
five.
Five,
nine
seven,
you
don't
have
it.
I
apologize.
D
Mr
chairman,
could
we
either
take
the
amendment
late
or,
if
you
literally,
we
just
don't,
have
it
then
if
it
would
be
the
will
of
the
committee,
could
we
potentially
vote
on
the
bill
today
and
it
truly
is
a
cleric
or
clerical
change?
Would
the
chairman
be
okay
if
we
were
to
add
an
amendment
in
a
later
committee
for
this
bill
or
even
on
the
floor?
Yeah.
I
Q
Q
I
Previous
question
has
been
called
without
objection:
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
976
as
a
minute
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
votes,
sir.
You
head
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
members.
I
apologize.
I
misspoke
so
on
house
bill
578,
which
was
item
number
four
on
your
calendar
house.
Bill
578
passes
the
committee
and
heads
to
health
without
objection
bill
the
bill
heads
to
health
committee.
I
apologize
for
misspeaking.
I
I
A
I
Thank
you,
sir.
The
amendment
does
make
the
bill.
This
is
bill.
We've
talked
about
quite
a
bit,
not
only
last
week
in
subcommittee,
but
also
last
year.
We
we
had
a
lot
of
these
conversations
last
year
when
these
two
bills
were
on
notice,
but
this
is
the
bill
known
as
the
alternatives
to
incarceration
bill
and
just
to
keep
it
very
brief,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
we
have,
but
we're
trying
to
focus
on
streamlining
the
appropriateness
of
this.
I
This
bill
would
seek
to
double
down
on
something
that
I
think,
we've
all
seen,
is
very
successful
in
in
the
form
of
drug
courts
and
recovery
courts
and
making
sure
that
folks,
that
are
non-violent,
but
that
have
committed
a
crime.
If
there's
some
way
that
we
can
help
them
correct
that
behavior
or
correct
that
mental
health
or
substance
use
disorder.
I
A
A
M
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair
to
the
sponsor
I'm
reading
this
amendment
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
it
reinstitutes
the
standing
of
community
corrections
and
on
the
physical
note
it
says
it
decreases.
The
general
fund,
a
recurring
decrease
in
state
expenditures
of
the
funds
of
9
million.
How
does
that
give
the
funding
back
to
community
corrections?
Chairman
curcio.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
to
my
good
friend
from
davidson
county
for
the
question.
It
is
my
understanding
generally
that,
after
our
discussions
last
week,
community
corrections
was
placed
back
into
the
bill
that
figure
of
nine
million
dollars,
which
was
used
last
week,
I
believe,
is
included
in
addition
to
that
there's:
five
million
dollar.
I
apologize,
I'm
understanding
that
that's
no
longer
the
case.
There
are
additional
funds
in
the
bill.
I
In
addition
to
putting
back
in
the
the
money
for
community
corrections,
there
are
additional
dollars
to
help
with
more
recovery
courts.
As
we
know
the
only
thing
wrong
with
recovery
recorders,
we
don't
have
enough
of
them,
so
that
is
has
been
put
back
in
and
accounted
for,
and
it
will
be
in
the
governor's
supplemental
budget
that
we'll
vote
on
here.
In
just
a
few
weeks.
Lord
willing.
M
I
G
Yeah,
I
think
that
mr
vice
chair
and
for
the
sponsor
a
couple
questions
I
think
you've
answered
one
so
just
to
be
clear
that
the
amount
that
community
corrections
supervision
had
been
funded
is
currently
going
to
be
funded
in
that
that
same
amount,
no
less
and
also
what
are
the
the
changes.
Regardless
of.
Are
there
any
more
oversight
or
any
more?
G
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
thank
you
for
asking
that
this,
in
addition
to
adding
the
funding
back
in
this
authorizes,
the
department
of
corrections
to
conduct
an
evaluation
of
community
corrections,
programs
annually
and
as
often
as
needed.
So
as
we
talked
about
last
week,
we
heard
some
testimony
and
again,
I'm
not
I'm
not
trying
to
pick
apart
anybody's
numbers,
but
we
heard
some
testimony
from
a
group
that
said:
hey.
We've
got
a
two
percent
recidivism
rate.
We
look
up
that
exact
same
group
on
the
tdoc
website.
It
was
it's
a
64
recidivism
rate.
I
I
don't
think
that
group
was
misrepresenting
themselves
and
I
don't
think
tdoc's
beating
up
on
them.
I
just,
I
think,
we're
measuring
differently.
So,
yes,
there
is
a
mechanism
inside
this
amendment
that
would
that
would
seek
to
clear
that
up
so
that
we're
all
working
singing
off
the
same
music,
as
my
grandmother
would
say,.
A
I
I
You,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
so
section.
Six
specifically,
it
would
require
a
magistrate
ordering
a
person
be
released
pending
trial
impose
the
least
restrictive
con
conditions
of
release
that
will
reasonably
ensure
appearance
of
the
person
as
required,
and
safety
of
the
community
which,
which
is
which
is
the
standard,
so
in
other
words,
saying
don't
put
them
on
a
harsher
condition.
I
Just
for
the
fun
of
it.
Just
make
sure
that
they're
on
something
reasonable.
That
would
that
would
ensure
that
they
appear
section.
Seven
modifies
the
criteria.
The
magistrate
must
take
into
account
when
determining.
If
the
person
will
be
released
pending
trial
by
adding
a
requirement.
The
magistrate
consider
results
of
an
evidence-based
pre-trial
risk
assessment
conducted
regarding
the
defendant.
I
And
he
does
not
have
a
conviction
for
failure
to
appear
within
the
previous
10
years,
be
released
pending
trial
on
the
individual's
recognizance
or
an
unsecured
bond.
Because
again
it's
not
at
issue
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
appear.
That's.
That's
not
their
problem.
They've
not
had
a
failure
to
appear
within
the
previous
10
years.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
question
yeah.
So
if
it's
not
a
new
offense,
if
you,
if
you
test,
if
you
fail
a
drug
screen,
then
that
would
fall
under
the
step
violations
if
you're
in
this
bill
and
the
alternative
incarceration
would
be
talking
about
your
probation,
so
you've
not
been
to
prison.
We're
trying
to
divert
you
we're
trying
to
help
you
with
your
with
your
mental
health
or
your
substance
abuse
issue.
I
I
The
person
you're
describing
may
may
well
already
be
in
one,
but
if
they've,
if
they've
not
gone
down
that
route,
yet,
then
that
would
be
an
opportunity
for
the
judge
to
sentence
them
to
a
treatment
program
and
of
course,
and
if
they,
if
they
fail,
there,
then
probably
headed
back
to
prison.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you.
Vice
chairman
members
of
the
committee
amy
weirich
district
attorney
from
shelby
county
and
here
representing
the
tennessee
district
attorney
general's
conference,
I'm
this
year's
president
and,
as
I
have
said
to
many
of
you
in
subcommittee
last
week
and
every
chance
we
get
to
talk
about
this
bill
and
its
partner
bill.
We
as
da's
are
not
here
either
in
support
of
this
or
opposed
to
this.
R
We
have
great
support
for
many
pieces
of
this
legislation
and
certainly
the
concept
in
the
idea
and
the
ultimate
goal
of
this
legislation,
because
it
is
what
your
state
prosecutors
do
every
day
in
the
hundreds
of
courtrooms
from
memphis
to
mountain
city,
and
that
is
to
come
up
with
resolutions,
solutions
dispositions
that
keep
offenders
from
coming
back
to
the
system.
That's
what
we
do
and
much
of
this
legislation
we
believe
will
help
accomplish
that,
particularly
when
we
are
talking
about
offenders
with
mental
health
issues
and
substance
abuse
issues.
R
R
A
technical
violation,
as
this
bill
is
currently
written,
could
be
offensive
touching
against
that
same
victim,
and
so
we
have
concerns
about
how
this
legislation
might
impact
victims.
The
same
example
could
be
said
of
vehicular
homicide.
An
individual
could
be
on
probation
for
vehicular
homicide
could
pick
up
or
reckless
driving
and
the
most
the
judge
could
do.
Despite
having
told
this
offender,
if
you
violate
you're
going
to
prison,
would
be
that
15-day
violation.
We
also
have
some
concerns
about
tying
prosecutors
hands
when
it
comes
to
the
maximum
of
probation.
R
Currently,
this
would
tie
our
hands
to
eight
years
for
one
crime
and
10
years
max
for
any
more.
There
are
often
situations
for
a
variety
of
reasons
that
an
offender
is
multi-cleared
by
local
law
enforcement
on
several
aggravated,
burglaries,
home
burglaries
and
we
wrap
those
together
and
package
them
and
perhaps
give
them
a
12-year
offer.
R
A
J
Thank
you
general
for
being
here.
I
guess
rape
is
pervadable.
I
have
just
never
ever
seen.
A
judge
puts
about
probation
for
rape.
Maybe
has
this
happened,
but
it
brings
up
an
interesting
thing
on
on
the
reckless
driving
deal,
because
I
don't
understand
if
your
understanding
of
the
bill,
a
reckless
driving
charge
after
a
vehicular
homicide
charge
if
you're
on
probation,
not
homicide
b,
I
can't
remember
what
you
used.
J
R
R
It's
as
it
relates
to
that
vehicular
homicide,
because
the
victim's
family
sat
in
court
when
that
offender
was
sentenced
to
six
years,
probation
or
whatever
it
was
and
heard
that
judge
say
if
you
violate
the
conditions
of
this
probation,
I'm
going
to
send
you
to
prison
the
most
the
judge
would
be
able
to
do
with
this.
Legislation
would
be
yes,
send
him
to
prison,
but
only
for
15
days,
yes,
sir,
but
yes,
we
would
and
could
prosecute
on
that
be
misdemeanor.
A
G
Yeah
and
thank
you
for
that,
mr
vice
chair
and
I
general
weirich.
I
had
a
question
with
regards
to
rape.
So
a
couple
ways
you
can
end
up
on
probation
for
rape,
I
guess
is
well
parole.
Really.
I
guess,
if
you
do
a
two-serve
sentence,
you
go
to
jail
and
you're
released
upon
the
time
that
your
percentage
of
the
time
that
you've
served
and
then
the
pro
board,
let
you
out
or
I
guess
you
could
go
in
an
open
police
situation.
The
judge
could
say
you
know
what
this
is
probated.
G
Well,
I'm
going
to
do
a
split
confinement
or
I'm
just
going
to
put
you
on
probation
for
a
certain
period
of
time
right,
but
also
along
with
that.
Wouldn't
that
person
be
a
sex
offender
and
under
sex
official
supervision
and
if
so,
a
violation
within
the
rape,
the
scope
of
rape,
wouldn't
that
fall
outside
the
scope
of
the
public
safety
act.
I'm
just
kind
of
curious,
I'm
kind
of
thinking,
there's
a
difference
in
the
violation
of
basically
a
sex
offender
registry
violation
or
something
like
that.
G
A
A
R
That
you're,
aware
of
not
the
way
this
is
written.
No,
if
you
are
on
probation
and
one
of
the
conditions
of
probation,
is
to
not
be
rearrested
right
right
and
now
I
guess
to
your
sex
offender
registry
question
if
they
failed
to
register
with
the
sex
offender
registry,
that
would
be
a
separate
violation,
but
let's
just
keep
the
conversation
simple,
you're
on
probation
for
rape,
which
yes
is
a
straight
up.
R
R
That's
a
be
misdemeanor
that
we
wouldn't
could
prosecute,
but
the
most
the
judge
could
do
when
that
violation
warrant
is
filed
by
our
office
and
lands
on
the
judge's
docket
is
to
violate
that
rapist
for
15
days.
That's
all
that
this
would
allow
him
or
her
to
do,
because
that
would
be
deemed
a
technical
violation,
because
it's
a
be
misdemeanor.
G
G
What
I'm
trying
to
ask
is:
is
there
a
situation
to
where
a
person,
if
he,
if
he
or
she,
violates
the
sex
offender
registry
and
ends
up
from
the
judge,
as
opposed
to
picks
up
a
new
charge
or
does
something
just
doesn't
report
probation?
That's
not
a
violation
of
that
registry.
Is
there
a
difference?
There
is
a
zero
tolerance
policy
within
the
sex
offender
registry,
or
is
there
versus
a
15
day
30
day
45
day.
R
O
A
A
S
Vice
chairman
members,
my
name
is
calling
schmidt,
I'm
a
legislative
liaison
with
governor
lee's
office.
Thank
you
for
considering
these
bills
before
you
today.
I
have
some
really
long
remarks
that
I
could
read,
but
I'm
just
going
to
really
highlight
what
the
changes
are
that
came
out
of
subcommittee
last
week
and
to
hopefully
answer
lots
of
questions
that
you
all
have
I
really
want
to
highlight
the
community
corrections
change.
S
We
had
really
productive
conversations
with
the
community
corrections
agency
in
the
past
really
in
the
past
month,
but
especially
in
the
past
week
and
looked
at
the
language
that
was
in
our
bill.
Previously
we
took
out
the
majority
of
those
sections
and
what
we
did
was
bring
in
more
accountability
to
answer
chairman
farmer's
question
from
earlier
and
data
and
work
with
the
community
corrections
agency.
A
I
would
just
like
to
add
that
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done
on
this
and
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
calls.
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
calls
from
my
district
on
the
community
corrections,
so
I
want
to
say
to
chairman
curcio
and
to
the
offices
governor
to
you
callan.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
that
you've
done
and
the
consideration
that
you've
given
it's
important
to
my
district,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
So
does
anyone
have
any
questions
chairman
howe,
you're,
recognized.
B
B
S
Thank
you
for
the
question.
If
they're
arrested
for
a
dui,
that
would
be
a
new
charge
and
their
probation
would
be
revoked
and
they
would
they
would
go
to,
that
would
not
affect
the
sentencing
of
their
new
charge,
and
the
judge
in
this
bill
would
have
judicial
discretion
on
time
served
depending
on
the
offense.
S
Nice
they
would
have,
they
would
have
the
sentencing
for
the
dui,
which
would
be
a
felony,
and
in
this
case,
since
that
person
would
be
on
probation,
they
would
have
an
enhancement.
That
would
be
a
part
of
the
sentencing
for
the
dui
additionally,
since
that
it
would
be
a
new
offense
committed.
This
goes
back
to
chairman
farmer's
question,
so
I'm
going
to
try
and
answer
both
a
little
bit.
B
J
S
S
K
S
G
G
S
I
will
try
to
answer
that
question.
We
don't
change
the
offense
eligibility
for
probation
or
parole
in
either
of
our
bills,
so
if
the,
if
the
offense
is
able
to
be
on
probation
and
they
test
a
posi,
they
test
positive,
for
there
are
some
drugs
that
are
zero
tolerance,
and
I
don't
have
that
exactly
in
front
of
me.
But
there
are
some
drugs
that
are
zero
tolerance.
The
one
that
comes
to
my
mind
is
meth.
I
just
know
automatically,
but
I
will
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
one.
G
B
S
That
dui
is
a
new
charge
that
would
be
a
probation
revocation
because
that's
a
new
crime
and
then
the
judge
would
sentence
them
for
that
new
crime
and
then
actually
it
adds
an
enhancement,
since
they
would
commit
that
felony
charge
on
probation
and
then
for
the
depending
on
how
much
time
they
have
left
on
their
probation
for
that
first
charge,
whatever
they
were
in
for
or
on
probation,
for
the
judge
has
discretion
to
decide
how
much
of
their
sentence
of
that
previous
sentence.
They
also
serve.
A
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
committee.
I
I
think
the
I
trust
the
da's
conference
and
our
law
enforcement
to
give
us
solid,
sound
advice
on
what's
appropriate,
what's
going
to
probably
lead
to
better
outcomes
for
criminal
justice
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
and
while
there
may
be
some
good
parts
of
this
bill,
there's
concerns
on
some
stuff,
particularly
limiting
the
amount
of
incarceration.
The
judge
is
to
give
someone
for
violating
the
terms
of
probation
and
probation
is
a
grant.
It's
not
a
right.
C
C
My
community
corrections
folks
are
not
in
favor
of
this,
my
d.a
and
ada
folks.
Contacts
are
against
this.
I'm
not
sure
that
the
mother,
the
victims,
are,
I
think,
opposed
to
this
legislation.
I'm
not
sure
the
legislation
has
enough
support
in
the
senate
right
now.
Based
on
all
that,
I
think
we
ought
to
come
back.
Take
a
look
at
this
I'd
make
the
most.
We
send
this
bill
to
summer
study.
B
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
members
of
the
committee.
Look.
This
bill's
got
some
good
aspects
to
it.
I
grant
that
there's
just
it's
a
lot
to
bite
off
and
chew
off,
and
I
know
my
good
friend
from
sumner
county
has
got
some
well
thought
out.
Legislation
regarding
truth
and
sentencing
that
we
ought
to
this
body
ought
to
consider
I'd
rather
do
something
along
those
lines
and
that's
the
purpose
of
my
motion.
So
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
okay,.
A
O
A
A
A
A
I
I
A
I
I
The
question
of
how
successful
they're
going
to
be,
of
course,
has
to
do
with
their
own
desire
to
want
to
get
better,
but
it
also
has
to
do
with
what
sort
of
programming
and
resources
that
we
allow
themselves
to
apprise
themselves
of.
So
I
think
the
reentry
act
speaks
to
a
fundamental
belief
that
I
think
most
tennesseans
have,
which
is
we
want
to
help
those
who
are
willing
to
help
themselves?
We
don't
want
to
give
someone
a
handout.
We
want
to
give
them
a
hand
up,
and
the
reentry
success
act
I
think,
speaks
to
that.
I
D
M
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair,
and
to
the
sponsor
just
reading
this
amendment
description
and
I've
never
seen
one
quite
like
it
says,
rewrites
the
bill
similar
to
the
house.
Criminal
justice
subcommittee,
amendment
number
one,
but
amendment
number
one's
not
going
on
to
this
bill.
What's
the
difference
in
tell
me
how
that
how
that
works?
A
I
B
11
is
rewritten
to
say
that
a
term
of
incarcera
to
say
for
a
revocation
of
parole
that
does
not
involve
a
new
felony
new
class.
A
misdemeanor
or
absconding
require
the
prisoner
to
serve
a
term
of
incarceration
not
to
exceed
15
days
for
the
first
revocation,
a
term
of
incarceration
not
to
exceed
30
days.
For
the
second
revocation,
a
term
of
incarceration
not
to
exceed
90
days.
For
the
third
revocation
or
the
remainder
of
the
sentence
for
a
fourth
or
subsequent
revocation.
M
A
J
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
great
question,
and
I
had
that
one
early
on
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
running
afoul
of
of
some
other,
pretty
good
law.
So
what
the
bill
would
do
is
at
the
time
you
are
sentenced.
The
judge
will
will
actually
explain
this
to
you.
This
is
part
of
your
sentence,
so
you
can
get
out
be
on
supervised
release
a
year
before
that's
sort
of
your
your
good
time,
credit.
I
A
I
D
Famous
chairman,
and
to
the
chairman's
point
I
mean
it,
has
been
an
issue
for
years
that
you
have
a
number
of
individuals
that
have
no
interest
in
really
changing
their
behavior,
and
so
they
will
refuse
any
services
any
probation
and
representative.
You
know
this,
I
mean
some
of
them,
just
take
it
to
the
door,
I
mean
they
refuse
parole,
they
don't
want
to
be.
They
don't
want
to
go
before
the
parole
board.
They
just
want
to
serve
their
time,
be
done.
N
I
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chairman.
I
appreciate
your
service
to
the
committee.
Thank
you
members.
I
apologize
for
the
late
hour.
I
have
just
been
notified
by
the
clerk's
office
that
we
are
losing
the
room,
so
that's,
unfortunately,
not
not
up
to
my
discretion
but
but
for
the
clerk's
office.
So
that
objection
we
are
out.