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House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - March 16, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
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A
F
A
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
house
bill
1321,
as
amended,
would
and-
and
we've
been
through
this
before.
As
you
know,
we
actually
had
testimony
that
was
offered
on
this
and
when
I
discussed
the
amendment
that
made
the
bill
last
time
in
committee,
I
spoke
to
the
definition
of
community
terrorism
and
that
language
had
been
omitted
from
that
amendment.
A
Question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment,
any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
adding
amendment
code.
Excuse
me
one
four,
three,
four,
four
on
the
house
bill,
1321
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
those
oppose
the
ice,
prevent
we
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
1321
as
amended
questions
been
called
any
objections.
Seen
none
we're
voting
on
sending
house
bill
1321
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
those
oppose
the
ice
prevail.
You
move
on
the
full
criminal.
A
G
G
G
It
also
creates
an
opportunity
for
the
state
to
have
set
in
place
a
framework
for
a
fraud
alert
program.
Mr
chairman,
this
fraud
alert
program
is
in
effect
right
now
in
shelby
county,
our
shelby
county
register
of
deeds.
Shalondra
ford
is
actually
present
today
and
willing
to
offer
testimony
to
the
committee
on
the
fraudulent
alert
program
that
she
has
implemented
and
how
it
serves
the
citizens
of
shelby
county
and
how
it
could
effectively
serve
the
citizens
of
the
great
state
of
tennessee.
A
E
Great
good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you
again
to
state
representative,
g.a
hardaway
and
to
also
chairman
clay
dodgett.
I
am
your
shelby
county
register
of
deed
shelandra
y
ford.
I
represent
shelby.
Excuse
me
shelby
county,
I'm
here
today
to
speak
on
the
fraudulent
fraudulent
property
deep
violence
within
shelby
county.
E
E
It
is
a
constant
issue
with
shelby
county
and
as
your
shelby
county
register,
I
have
been
working
diligently
with
state
representative
hardaway
and
our
real
estate
community
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
resolution
for
this
matter
in
shelby
county
one.
In
particular,
I
have
initiated
a
fraud
alert
program
and
it's
now
offered
to
shelby
county
citizens
and
it's
free.
E
What
it
does
is
they
register
they
go
onto
our
website
and
they
register
for
our
program
and
the
program
would
alert
them
if
anyone
tries
to
obtain
any
fraudulent
information
on
their
property
or
place
a
lien
without
their
knowledge,
it'll
notify
them
via
email.
But
again
this
is
just
a
temporary
fix.
E
I
am
also
proposing
right
now
in
shelby
county,
it's
a
class
e
felony
if
charged,
if
convicted-
and
that's
almost
like
mr
two
to
three
years
imprisonment
and
what
I
am
proposing
is
the
to
add
a
stiffer
penalty,
which
would
be
a
class
d
d
like
in
deborah
class
d
felony,
and
also
adding
a
provision
of
adding
a
five
thousand
dollar
a
penalty.
Excuse
me,
five
thousand
dollar
penalty
and
even
requesting
that
we'll
be
able
to
ask
for
identification
per
the
the
filings
of
the
quit
claim
deeds.
The
most
prof.
E
A
H
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you,
miss
ford
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention
and
your
efforts
to
try
to
stem.
What's
going
on
to
try
to
prevent
what's
going
on.
I
assume
this
is
home,
title
theft,
kind
of
situation.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
let
me-
and
let
me
ask
you
if
I
can,
is
the
fraud
being
committed
by
having
fake
notaries
or
is
it
no?
Are
the
notaries
being
fooled
with
you
know,
because
don't
they
notarize
claim
deeds
that
they
fight
with
your
office
and
then
how?
How
are
they
specific?
H
E
It's
actually
a
combination
of
both
we
are
having
issues
with
the
notaries
of
the
legal
notaries.
We
don't
have
a
database
where
we
can
actually
go
in
and
check
to
see
if
that
notary
is
valid
or
not
we
just
by
law
we
have
to.
We
can't,
I
guess,
police
the
documents
that
we're
receiving
on
a
daily
base
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
but
as
long
as
they
meet
the
requirements,
the
the
legal
requirements,
we
have
to
file
those
instruments
within
our
office.
E
H
Well,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
efforts
and
anything
we
can
do
to
try
to
address
this,
because
it's
just
unconstable
that
innocent
property
owners
have
to
wake
up
someday
and
find
out
somebody's
transferred,
their
property.
It
cost
them
all
this
money
and
headache,
and
if
we
need
to
look
at
a
mandatory
minimum
jail
sentence
for
folks
that
get
convicted
down
the
road,
I'm
sure
probably
this
committee,
the
general
assembly,
would
be
happy
to
look
at
that
issue
down
the
road.
Thank
you
and
I'll,
probably
sign
on
to
this
bill.
G.A
thank.
I
I
I
A
claim
deed
is
quite
a
chore
and
quite
expensive.
So
I
echo
my
the
words
of
my
colleague
from
henry
county,
because
this
is
this
is
a
this.
Is
this?
Is
people's
life
investment?
This
is
this
is
their
what
they're
leaving
their
children.
This
is.
This
is
very,
very
important,
and
I
appreciate
it
because
there
has
really
been
no
teeth
before
this
bill
for
the
for
this
crime,
and
this
is
a
this
can
be,
you
know,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
or
more
with
very
little
penalty.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
I'll,
be
brief.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and,
and
I
apologize
because
representative
hardaway
was
going
to
introduce
us
before
committee
and
I
was
late
coming
in
because
of
traffic,
but
thank
you.
I
think
it's
a
very
important
issue.
We've
been
talking
about
this
offline.
I
did
not
realize
that
this
was
a
a
big
deal,
but
it
clearly
is
and
I'm
glad
we've
got
a
system
to
address
it.
So
thank
you.
K
E
E
E
E
E
We
just
had
a
case
that
recently
yeah.
We
just
had
a
case
recently
that
went
before
court
and
that
individual
was
charged.
But
again
those
penalties
are
very
the
stat.
The
penalties
are
very
low.
I
mean
you're
looking
at
anywhere
from
an
average
of
two
to
three
years
if
caught
or
if
it's
convicted,
they're
looking
at
only
two
to
three
years,
and
that's
why
we
have
a
widespread,
because
the
penalties
are
not
stiff
enough.
E
L
Someone
was
singing
that
amen
course
in
my
ears,
but
anyway
thank
you,
miss
ford,
and
I
noticed
when
I'm
in
the
car
and
the
radio's
on
there's
an
advertisement
and
they're
advertising
that
I'm
sure
for
a
small
fee
that
they
will
help
you
and
alert
you
if
this
happens
to
you
so
I've.
In
the
back
of
my
mind,
you're
saying
this
and
I'm
going
to
yes.
Yes,
I've
heard
this.
M
Mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
again
thank
you
for
coming
here
today
and
I
apologize
representative
hardaway
who's
fighting
valiantly
for
this
effort.
He
had
also
asked
that
I
meet
with
you
briefly
beforehand
and
just
had
several
meetings
before
being
the
committee
meeting
started
today.
So
I
apologize,
we
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
meet,
but
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
highlighting
what
is
an
issue.
That's
been
out
there
for
several
years,
my
friend
from
davidson
county
mentioned
these
are
very
difficult
to
unwind.
M
If
you've
filed
fraudulent
documents
with
your
office,
you've
committed
multiple
forgeries,
you've
committed
theft,
potentially
you've
I
mean
there
are
multiple
crimes
and
I
hope
they're
loading
it
up
with
everything,
every
single
crime
that
they
can
possibly
come
up
with,
that
these
folks
have
committed
it's
pretty
nasty
stuff
that
they're
doing
so.
Thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
and
representative
hardaway.
Sorry,
I
wasn't
able
to
meet
with
her
before
committing.
E
A
A
Questions
been
called
any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
voting
now
and
sending,
or
attaching
amendment
one
three,
nine
one.
Four
on
the
house
bill,
2810
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
as
opposed
the
ice
prevail.
We
adopt
we're
on
house
bill
2010,
as
amended
question
has
been
called
any
objection,
see
now
we're
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2810
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
was
opposed.
The
eyes
prevail.
You
moved
to
full
criminal.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
M
A
A
J
N
Yes,
sir,
it's
pretty
straightforward
back
in
2015,
we
passed
the
neighborhood
protection
act.
That
said,
if
a
person
is
convicted
three
times
of
certain
crimes
such
as
murder,
criminal
gang
activity,
prostitution
and
some
I'm
trying
to
think
of
some
of
the
other
crimes,
some
of
the
other
crimes
pretty
heinous
crimes
that
they
that
that
neighborhood
association
could
then
or
watch
group
could
petition
the
judge
to
have
that
person
have
an
injunction
against
that
person
coming
into
that
community
and
all
this
does
is
adds
criminally
criminal
aggravated.
J
N
N
You,
sir,
I
know
that
davidson
county
they
they
brought
their
register
of
deeds
up
to
the
floor
and
bragged
on
her
karen
johnson,
which
I
brag
on
her
too,
but
we
have
our
own
that
I
brag
on
also
mr
landry
ford
and
her
team.
They
do
an
awesome,
awesome
awesome
job
and
I
want
to
thank
her
publicly.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ms
chair,
and
thank
you
committee.
You
go
ahead
and
rule
me
out
order.
I
haven't
yet.
N
J
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
In
committee,
this
house
bill
was
brought
to
me
by
a
constituent,
and
this
is
definitely
not
in
my
wheelhouse
in
front
of
judicial.
I
feel
like
I'm
17
again,
but
this
bill
increases
the
penalty
for
using
a
deadly
weapon
or
inflicting
serious
bodily
injury
on
an
officer.
It
takes
this
from
a
c
felony
to
a
b
felony
and
increases
the
sentence
range
from
three
to
15
years
to
8
to
30
years,
and
with
that
I'll
stand
for
questions.
J
H
J
C
O
J
M
Mr
chairman,
I
I
think
this
is
an
absolutely
great
idea.
Unfortunately,
putting
a
number
in
the
bond
would
create
a
bond
schedule
and
I
don't
think
constitutionally.
We
could
do
that.
The
member
has
has
valiantly
fought
against
these
type
of
you
know:
evil
drug
dealers
out
there
for
his
entire
time
in
the
house,
and
I
hope
he
continues
that
and
potentially
another
chamber,
but
for
purposes
of
this
bill
right
now.
I
think
we
could
do
a
lot
of
different
things
here.
M
I
think
we
could
add
this
as
some
sort
of
a
and
a
factor
that
they
look
at
when
increasing
the
when
looking
at
determining
the
bond,
but
for
right
now
I
just
don't
think
the
wording
of
this
is
ready.
So
I
would
renew
my
motion
that
I
made
last
week
december
to
summer
study.
I've
talked
to
them
with
representative
hall
about
that
he's
fighting
a
good
fight
here.
It's
just
a
wording
on
this.
One
is
not
quite
ready.
Okay,.
J
J
J
J
F
F
I
can't
even
count
how
many
shootings
on
our
interstates
between
people
shooting
at
each
other
or
just
honestly,
I
don't
know
why
they're
doing
it,
but
it's
putting
innocent
lives
and
danger
every
day.
So
what
this
bill
would
do
if
you
are
convicted
of
aggravated
assault
and
that
aggravated
assault
is
committed
while
discharging
a
firearm
from
a
vehicle,
this
would
automatically
send
or
automatically
escalate
the
conviction
level
up
one
felony
level,
and
with
that
I
welcome
any
questions.
F
H
I
want
to
thank
griffin.
Are
you
recognized?
Thank
you,
mr
john.
My
apologies.
I
want
to
express
my
appreciation
for
you
bringing
this
bill
and
it's
my
suspicion
that
the
reason
you
see
an
increase
on
this
is
people
think
they
can
get
away
with
it
and
if
they
do
get
caught,
they
think
the
repercussions
are
not
going
to
be
that
serious
for
them
and
the
way
to
stop.
H
That
is
to
show
everyone
that
the
state
of
tennessee
through
law
enforcement
is
deadly
serious
about
this,
and
they
are
going
to
go
to
prison
period
for
a
long
time.
If
they
do
this
behavior,
it's
endangering
the
lives
of
innocent
people.
It's
completely
unacceptable,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill.
C
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
my
understanding.
It's
helping!
Fortunately,
this
body,
just
this
week
passed
another
law
that
would
increase
our
ability
to
hire
police
officers,
and
I
think
that
that
is
part
of
the
problem
that
the
cameras
are
great,
but
we
don't
have
the
personnel
out
there
to
go
after
those
people.
So
I
think
with
this,
in
addition
to
the
residency
requirement
that
we
just
eliminated,
will
significantly
help.
J
J
D
J
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill,
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2424
to
criminal
full,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
I
was
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
criminal
full
all
right,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
number
eight.
I
do
have
a
request
to
roll
that
bill
two
weeks
as
well.
We.
C
J
J
C
C
J
You've
heard
the
explanation,
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1248
to
criminal
full,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
a
criminal.
Thank
you
yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
10
house
bill
2034
by
representative
harris
who
I
do
not
see
in
the
room,
will
roll
that
10
spaces.
J
M
M
This
is
a
an
issue
that
has
come
up
for
years
now
on
organized
crime
in
our
state
and
how
do
we
best
form
a
ricoh
statute,
that's
similar
to
what
they
do
in
other
states,
on
the
federal
level
to
really
go
after
those
folks
that
are
not
an
individual,
that's
committing
a
crime,
but
a
group
of
folks
that
have
come
together
to
conspire
to
commit
those
crimes
and
members.
That's
what
this
bill
does.
J
I
M
J
Thank
you
any
other
questions
for
our
sponsor,
seeing
none
leader
lambert.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
on
this
very
interesting
topic.
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up.
It's
been
interesting
to
read
through
this
piece
of
legislation,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2097
to
criminal
full,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
criminal
full.
That
brings
yes,
sir.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
14
house
bill
2118
also
by
leader,
lamberth
leader,
lamberth,
you're
recognized,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
J
M
You
chairman,
and
this
amendment
we'll
make
it.
Last
year
we
passed
several
criminal
justice
reform
bills
that
dealt
with
technical
violations
dealt
with.
You
know
how
folks
are
violated
while
on
probation,
if
they
were
to
violate
the
terms
of
that
probation
or
parole.
This
just
fixes
what
I
believe
was
a
technical
issue
where
we
did
not
intend
for
that
matrix
to
extend
into
misdemeanors,
and
so
this
would
remedy
that.
M
Folks
will
sometimes
try
to
use
that
language
of
the
legislation
in
a
way
that
we
never
intended.
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
is
that
if
a
judge
tells
someone
they
cannot
have
contact
with
the
victim
of
an
offense
after
that
individual's
been
convicted,
then
they're
to
have
no
contact
with
that
individual.
M
If
someone
already
convicted
of
like
a
rape,
a
stalking,
a
domestic
assault,
an
aggravated
assault,
anything
and
there's
a
no
contact
order,
that's
not
a
technical
violation.
You
contact
the
victim
of
a
crime,
that's
not
a
technical
violation!
That's
a
violation
that
should
potentially
send
you
off
to
prison
or
jail.
If
you
were
to
do
that
act.
So,
mr
chairman,
that's
what
this
does
and
it
really
genuinely.
M
I
think,
just
fixed
two
fixes
to
unintended
issues
and
I
will
say
on
the
misdemeanor
issue:
I
I
don't
think
that
we
allowed
for
that
to
extend
to
misdemeanors
in
the
language
we
passed,
but
there's
folks
out
there
making
that
argument.
So
this
just
clarifies
it.
We
never
intended
that.
We
never
did
it
and
this
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that
matrix
does
not
extend
to
misdemeanors.
J
Thank
you
leader
for
the
explanation,
and
I
want
to
echo
that,
of
course
I
worked
hard
on
those
two
bills
that
we
passed
last
year
and
it
was
my
understanding
that
was
not
intended
to
apply
to
misdemeanors
and
I
believe
we
may
have
had
testimony
in
this
committee
to
that
effect,
so
good
catch
and
appreciate
your
work
on
this
any
other
questions.
Seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
two.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
J
We
need
to
vote
on
the
amendment
so
we're
now
voting
on
amendment
coded
14969.
Attaching
at
the
house
bill
2118,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt
we're
on
the
bill
as
amended.
The
amendment
made
the
bill
any
further
questions,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
2118
to
criminal
full,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
I
was
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
criminal
full
famous
chairman
and
I
will
now
pass
the
gavel
to
leader
lamberth.
While
I
present
my
next
bill.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members.
This
bill
is
very
personal
to
me.
It's
dealing
with
a
case
that
happened
in
dixon
county
actually
to
a
young
man,
a
child
who
was
a
student
of
my
wife's
and
unfortunately,
he
was
murdered
and
he
was
murdered
by
his
by
his
parents
and
so
house.
Bill
2306
is
entitled
the
joe
clyde
daniels
act
and
what
we
are
looking
to
do
here
is
currently
in
tennessee.
J
A
life
sentence
carries
with
it
a
51-year,
parole,
eligibility,
there's,
there's
life,
there's
life
without
the
possibility
of
parole
and
and
that
life
sentence
carries
with
it
the
potential
for
parole
eligibility
at
51
years.
What
this
bill
would
say
is
that
if
you
refuse
to
give
up
the
remains-
or
if
you
obstruct
justice
in
that
way,
then
they
may
take
the
parole
board
may
take
that
into
consideration.
Should
you
come
up
for
parole?
J
We
believe
that
this
passes
constitutional
muster
because
parole
is
a
privilege
and
not
a
right.
So
it
is
something
that
the
parole
board
considers
it's
not
something
that
you're
guaranteed,
and
so
we
feel
that
this
is
something
that
we
can
do
as,
unfortunately,
that
young
man's
father
has
refused,
even
to
this
day,
to
give
up
the
location
of
his
body.
M
All
right
remember:
you've,
heard
the
description
of
the
bill
and
and
there's
a
sign-on
sheet
going
around
members.
If
you
would
like
to
sign
under
this
bill-
and
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
you
fighting
for
your
community.
You've
fought
hard
on
this
issue
and
it
is
just
a
horrendous
tragedy
that
your
community
has
gone
through
on
this.
So
thank
you
for
trying
to
at
least
give
some
measure
of
relief
on
what
is
a
horrible
circumstance.
M
Any
questions
c9
will
be
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2306
to
criminal,
full
committee,
all
in
favor
signify,
saying
aye
aye,
all
opposed,
nay,
the
eyes
have
it,
sir.
You
go
to
criminal
full.
If
we
can
well
have
the
gavel
and
again,
you
know,
while
we
have
a
member
that
is
willing
to
present
their
bills
and
in
committee
we
have
item
number,
I
think
it's
44
should
be
the
next
one
on
the
calendar.
It's
item
number.
It's
house
bill
2367.
M
J
The
notice
must
include
information
on
whether
the
hearing
occurred
as
scheduled
and,
if
so,
a
brief
summary
of
the
outcome
of
the
hearing.
This
short
title
is
a
victim
notification
bill.
We
want
victims
to
know
what
the
what
the
status
of
the
of
their
case
cases
so
that
they
can
keep
an
eye
on
those
things,
and
I
apologize.
M
Look
you,
you
were
given
a
fantastic
description
there
and
I
didn't.
I
want
to
thank
chairman
doctor
for
coming
back
and
just
take
it
easy
over
there
buddy
we'll
get
back
to
you
in
a
few
minutes.
Thank
you,
chairman.
We're
on
amendment
number
zero
one,
five,
one,
four
seven!
Is
there
a
motion
of
the
amendment
there
is.
Is
there
a
second
there's,
a
motion
and
second
amendment?
Mr,
if
you
can
just
tell
us
what
the
amendment
does.
M
Questions
being
called
amendment
all
in
favor
of
adding
any
commitment
code,
zero,
one
five
one:
four:
seven
on
to
house
bill,
two
three
six,
seven
signify
to
say:
aye,
aye,
all
opposed,
nay
the
eyes
have
it
amendments
on
the
bill.
Any
questions
on
the
bill
see
none
will
be
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2367
onto
criminal,
full
all
in
favor
signify,
saying
aye,
aye,
all
opposed,
nay
the
eyes.
Have
it
all
right,
you're
heading
over
to
criminal
fool.
Thank.
M
A
J
J
Thank
you
house,
bill.
1696
enhances
the
penalty
for
the
offense
of
aggravated
burglary
from
a
class
c
felony
to
a
class
b
felony.
If
the
burglary
is
of
an
occupied
habitation,
it
increases
the
penalty
for
especially
aggravated
burglary
from
a
class
b
felony
to
a
class,
a
felony
if
the
burglary
is
of
a
habitation.
J
This
was
born
out
of
a
multi-year
conversation,
actually
that
leader
lambreth
and
I
have
had
about
the
especially
violent
aspect
to
breaking
in
and
burglarizing
someone's
home
when
they
are
present.
When
you
know
they
are
there,
we
don't
advocate
anyone
breaking
into
anyone's
home,
but
when
someone
does
that
in
the
middle
of
the
day
when
there
are
no
cars
in
the
driveway,
that
is
deplorable,
but
it
is
not
nearly
as
violent
as
coming
in
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
when
there
are
cars
in
the
driveway.
J
J
We
seek
to
acknowledge
that
especially
violent
act,
and
it
also,
in
addition
to
being
kind
of
a
multi-year
conversation
which
was
brought
to
light,
unfortunately
through
the
murder
of
a
young
man
at
rhodes,
college
just
this
past
year
and
I've
met
with
members
of
his
family
and
they've
also
been
to
the
criminal
justice
committee
to
testify
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Many
of
you
had
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
them
at
that
time
and
so
again
kind
of
like
a
previous
item
I
had
on
this
calendar.
J
M
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
that
is
exactly
right.
So
that's
that's
what
we
seek
to
do
and
you
can
see
the
increased
state
expenditures
there,
5.2
million
dollars
and
that's
obviously
a
big
hill
to
climb,
but,
as
we've
talked
about
in
this
committee,
many
times
oftentimes
in
the
criminal
justice
committee,
if
you
don't
have
a
big
fiscal
note,
you
may
not,
you
may
not
be
accomplishing
much
so
we're
we.
We
seek
to
get
this
funded.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
If
that
cost
saves
even
one
life,
it's
worth
every
penny,
and
so
I
mean
I
realize
we
see
some
of
these
large
fiscal
notes,
but
I
agree
with
you.
I
mean
it
shows
that
this
is
obviously
happening
on
a
regular
basis
and
it's
being
charged
as
just
a
simple
burglary
right
now.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill.
It
is
an
extremely
good
bill
that
needs
to
pass.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
G
A
A
L
All
right
members,
this
bill
came
from
it's
dealing
with
our
human
trafficking
laws.
So
this
is,
I
guess,
the
best
description
would
be
a
cleanup
bill,
but
it's
also.
We
are
what
we're
trying
to
do.
There's
a
shared
hope
international
and
they
grade
the
states
by
how
strong
their
human
trafficking
laws
are,
and
I'm
proud
to
say
that
most
of
the
years
tennessee's
been
number
one
with
the
strongest
and
as
they
reevaluated
of
course,
as
human
trafficking
evolves.
L
L
M
There's
one
small
amendment
that
came
from
outside
of
the
normal
process,
but
it
is
an
amendment
that
I
filed
on
behalf
of
the
district
attorney
general's
conference.
It's
coded
zero
one,
five,
zero,
seven!
Three!
It
literally
just
cleans
up
an
issue
in
the
code
that
if
an
officer
is
posing
as
a
minor
and
someone
is
soliciting
them
and
and
has
every
intention
of
pursuing
a
minor
for
purposes
of
human
trafficking,
then
it
would
not
be
a
defense
that
that
person
is
not
a
minor.
This
happens
all
the
time.
M
This
is
how
they
do
these
things.
Quite
frankly,
if
you
don't
have
something
like
that
in
the
law,
they'll
be
forced
to
use
actual
minors
in
those
circumstances
which
is
not
safe
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination.
So
that's
all
this
amendment
does.
Mr
chairman,
I
would
tend
to
that
for
consideration
by
the
committee
and
make
a
motion
for
its
its
acceptance.
A
L
L
I
know
one
thing
that
shocked
me
was
it.
I
thought
it
would
be.
You
know
at
night,
late
at
night,
dark
it.
We
would
go
to
the
stings
in
the
afternoon
because
it's
like
on
their
way
home
from
work
or
whatever.
So
there's
a
lot
of
there.
There's
it's
just
an
incredible
work
that
our
tbi
does
all
our
law
enforcement,
the
non-profits
that
we
have
in
the
state
do
tireless
work
on
shoestring
budgets
and
again,
I'm
just
happy
to
to
be
able
to
carry
this
and
to
get
us
back
into
that
number.
A
Well,
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
any
questions
for
the
sponsor.
Seeing
now
we're
going
to
vote
on
sending
house
bill
2147
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
as
opposed
the
eyes
prevail,
made
the
full
criminal
members.
Let's
go
to
item
number
34
house
bill,
2135.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
house.
Bill
2135
requires
a
magistrate
to
order
a
defendant
arrested
for
any
criminal
act,
as
defined
in
title
39.
Chapter
12,
where
the
alleged
victim
is
a
domestic
abused
victim.
An
alleged
offense
includes
strangulation
or
threatened
to
use
firearms
to
in
order
to
wear
a
gps
device,
and
it's
able
to
pay
for
the
cost
associated
with
the
g
gps
device.
And
mr
chairman,
we
have
a
a
witness
who
has
flown
in
from
across
the
country
who
we
would
like
to
test.
I
A
P
Thank
you
all
very
much.
My
name
is
alex
john
born
and
raised
here
in
nashville
tennessee
and
last
april,
my
mother,
deborah
cisco
and
my
sister,
marie
varsos,
were
murdered
by
my
brother-in-law
in
the
weeks
prior.
My
sister
was
strangulated
by
my
brother-in-law
to
the
point
where
she
eventually
passed
out
when
she
awoke
she
was
held
captive
with
a
gun
to
her
head
pleading
for
her
life
to
be
saved.
P
P
Here
in
tennessee,
we
lived
in
a
constant
state
of
fear,
not
knowing
where
my
brother-in-law
was
or
what
harm
could
do
or
what
harm
he
could
do
to
my
sister
or
our
family
after
spending,
what
seemed
like
a
grueling
hell,
closing
down
all
three
of
their
affairs
in
the
middle
of
a
global
pandemic,
2
000
miles
away.
Nonetheless,
I
set
about
the
process
of
trying
to
understand
what,
if
anything,
could
have
been
done
to
save
them.
P
P
He
navigated
the
justin
system
without
friction
to
do
whatever
he's
so
pleased
and
with
hardly
any
penalties.
It's
far
too
easy
for
domestic
violence
offenders
to
be
released
from
jail.
In
addition
to
having
such
a
low
bond,
tennessee
law
actually
requires
that
magistrates
consider
gps
monitoring
as
a
condition
of
release
in
domestic
violence
cases.
P
P
P
M
Alex
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
I
know
I
was
one
of
those
phone
calls
you
made
now
months
and
months
months
ago,
and
I
know
kathy
walsh
has
been
helping
you
through
the
system
here.
She's
been
fighting
these
fights
for
decades
here
in
the
legislature,
and
I'm
just
it
sounds
hollow
because
it
pales
in
comparison
to
what
you've
gone
through
man.
But
I'm
sorry-
and
I
know
when
we
met
in
my
office
and
when
we
spoke
on
the
phone
several
times.
M
I've
told
you
that
this
matters,
what
you're
doing
today
and
it
does
okay
coming
here
in
the
memory
of
your
sister
and
your
mother,
and
sharing
with
us
and
sharing
with
all
of
us,
and
anybody
that's
watching
right
now,
the
hell
that
y'all
have
gone
through.
It
puts
a
face
on
the
words
on
the
page
that
we're
considering.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
down
here.
M
Thank
you
for
coming
all
this
way
and
I
am
sorry
for
what
you've
had
to
go
through,
and
I
hope
what
we
can
do
is
like
we
talked
about
in
the
office.
I
hope
we
can
pass
something
that
makes
sure
fewer
families
and
hopefully
no
families
would
go
through
what
y'all
had
to
go
through,
and
so
thank
you
for
championing
these
issues
and
thank
you
for
coming
before
us
today.
I
Alex
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
today.
It's
such
a
brave
thing
to
do
and
we
appreciate
it.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
expound
upon
that
we
talked
about
in
my
office
was
how
your
brother-in-law
plotted
this
out,
and
one
thing
that
you
told
me
is
how
he
got
that
rental
car,
and
why
was
the
reason
that
he
got
the
rental
car?
P
No
thank
you.
You
know
my
my
sister
and
my
brother-in-law
were
in
the
process
of
going
through
a
divorce,
and
my
sister
was
living
with
my
mother
at
the
time.
So
my
brother-in-law
didn't
understand
my
sister's
schedule.
She
was
a
pharmacist
who
was
working
various
different
hours
at
the
time
and
he
wanted
the
element
of
surprise.
He
wanted
to
make
sure
that
my
sister
had
no
idea
that
he
was
going
to
try
and
kidnap
her
and
do
harm
on
her.
P
She
could
have
armed
herself
faster,
they
could
have
called
authorities
faster.
He
probably
wouldn't
have
thought
to
go
through
all
these
different
mechanics.
I
mean
listen
at
the
end
of
the
day.
He
was
going
to
try
and
do
whatever
he
could
to
kill
her,
but
the
intent
was
there,
and
I
think
that
with
technology
today,
if
you
lose
your
keys,
you
can
find
your
keys.
If
you
misplace
your
child,
you
can
find
your
child
and
it
should
be
easy
for
someone
to
be
able
to
track
a
domestic
violence
offender
and
protect
them
from
a
victim.
H
Griffey,
thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
us,
mr
yan,
and
sharing
your
story.
I
just
want
to
throw
out.
Maybe
this
committee
ought
to
consider
maybe
next
latest
legislative
session
that
we
give
the
courts
access
to
so
someone's
cellular
phone
can
be
tracked
because
that's
one
of
the
best
ways
to
find
out
what
somebody's
doing
if
they
leave
their
phone
they're
kind
of
dead
in
the
water
on
stuff.
So
that
might
be
something
to
think
about
down
the
road.
C
M
P
Yes,
it
would
be
so
easy
as
the
offender
having
a
bracelet
much
like
a
watch
like
I
have,
and
then
the
victim
would
have
an
app
on
their
mobile
phone
so
that
in
real
time
a
individual
who
approached
a
victim
that
victim
would
be
notified
as
well
as
law
enforcement
would
be
notified
right
then,
and
there
in
previous.
If
you
think
about
gps
monitoring
with
addresses
and
coming
there
technology's
changed
so
much
where
that
can
happen,
and
it
it
is
amazing
what
the
technology
can
do.
G
G
G
G
If
he
had
been
gps,
then
law
enforcement
would
have
known
that
he
was
there.
They
would
have
known
before
he
went
that
way,
but
I'm
a
hundred
percent
on
board
with
you
and
I
feel
the
spirit
of
representative
mike
carter
with
us,
because
this
is
what
this
technology
is,
something
that
he
researched
extensively
and
that's
really
the
basis
of
a
lot
of
my
knowledge
on
it.
So
thank
you
for
being
here,
I'm
110
on
board,
and
there
are
some
other
things
as
the
my
colleagues
know
that
we
need
to
do.
G
A
I
I
just
wanted
to
address
my
colleagues
from
the
top
rows
concerned
and
this
bill
does
say
to
carry
or
wear
a
gps
device.
So
as
technology
increases,
we
that
will
allow
them
to
carry
a
gps
device.
So
I
think
that
was
an
excellent
point
and
we
we
thought
about
that
when
we
were
putting
the
bill
together.
So
hopefully
the
you
know,
the
technology
will
be
that
we
we
can
do
that
in
the
future
and
make
it
cheaper.
I
understand
what
your
concerns
yeah.
Thank
you
and
with
that,
mr
chairman
move
approval.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Previous
question
is
called
any
objection
scene
now
we're
voting
to
send
house
bill
2135
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Those
opposed
ice
prevent
move
on
the
full
criminal,
I'm
going
to
pass
the
gavel
down
to
leader
lamberth.
So
we
can
take
up
one
of
mine
members.
M
We're
on
item
number
51
house
bill
2020
and
I
understand
the
witness-
needs
to
leave
and
go
over
to
the
house
senate
judiciary
committee,
but
it's
it's
on
the
same
set
of
bills
that
this
witness
has
testified
on
already.
So
if
they,
if
you
all
need
to
go
ahead
and
leave
go
ahead,
I
did
take
the
liberty
of
texting.
Your
senate
sponsor
senator
reeves
and
let
him
know
y'all
might
be
a
few
minutes
late.
So
thank
you
for
your
testimony,
sir
members.
Again
we're
on
house
bill
2020
by
chairman
doggett,
there's
a
motion.
M
M
Q
M
M
M
M
Okay,
thank
you
ma'am.
I
appreciate
you
being
here
today
and
I
apologize,
but
we
do
need
to
thank
you,
man.
It
was
raining
and
I
was
late.
I
should
have
been
here
earlier.
That's
okay!
We
totally
understand
man
if
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
debate
on
this
bill
for
some
reason
and
you
get
ready
just
raise
your
hand
we'll
come
back
to
you.
Thank
you.
Members
we're
going
to
go
back
into
session.
All
right
members,
we're
back
on
house
bill!
2020,
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill.
Is
there
any
debate
on
the
bill?
M
All
right
questions
being
called
on
the
bill?
Members
will
be
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2020
by
chairman
doggett
on
the
criminal
justice
full
committee,
all
in
favor
signify,
saying
aye,
all
opposed,
nay,
the
eyes
have
it
all
right,
chairman,
doggett
and
chairman.
I
as
I
hand
the
gavel
back
to
you.
I
do
see
representative
rudder
is
here
in
the
audience
today
and
I
believe
she
is
here
on
item
number
29,
which
is
house
bill.
2459.
A
A
B
Well,
I
want
to
open
this
morning
and
tell
it
to
tell
you
all
that
this
is
one
of
my.
This
is
an
honor
to
bring
this
bill
before
you
this
morning.
It's
one
of
my
favorite
things
to
get
to
do
because
a
constituent
reached
out
to
me
with
a
problem,
and
I
do
hope
that
this
piece
of
legislation
will
be
the
solution
to
her
problem.
B
B
B
She
sought
an
apology
from
the
parents
and
didn't
get
much
satisfaction
there.
So
she
went
to
our
schools
and
she
was
told
that
they
would
suspend
the
young
man
which
they
did,
but
it
was
the
last
seven
days
of
school
so
that,
in
her
opinion,
wasn't
much
of
a
punishment
for
what
had
happened
to
her
son
in
the
embarrassment
that
he
had
suffered.
B
So
she
went
to
her
local
d.a.
She
went
to
rda
and
because
this
young
man
in
current
law
did
not
use
the
photography
or
the
video
for
sexual
gratification
there,
the
da's
hands
were
tied.
So
this
legislation
that
I'm
bringing
you
today
simply
amends
our
current
photography
law
by
adding
this
language.
B
A
G
Just
one
question:
if
the
emotion:
okay
is
withdrawal,
thank
you
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
the
bill.
When
you
described
that
you
said
an
unclothed
area
is,
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
in
the
language
of
the
bill
itself,
will
it
speak
more
to
being
revealed
because
sometimes
it
can
be
clothed
and
still
visible.
G
A
A
K
K
It's
called
the
second
amendment,
simplification
act
and
under
current
tca,
3917
1307,
a
person
commits
an
offense
who
carries
with
the
intent
to
go
armed,
a
firearm
with
a
firearm
or
a
club.
This
means
that
anyone
who
leaves
their
own
property
with
a
firearm
or
a
club
automatically
commits
an
offense
possessing
any
kind
of
carry
permit
is
not
an
exception
to
this
offense.
It
is
only
a
defense.
K
A
D
Red
it
may
not
be
close
enough
to
me:
okay,
I'll
lean,
a
little
more
for
it.
In
1796,
thomas
jefferson
said
that
the
tennessee
constitution
was
the
least
imperfect
and
most
republican
of
all
the
documents
he
had
seen
today.
It
is
the
duty
per
that
document
of
the
general
assembly
to
vote
without
favor
affection,
partiality
or
prejudice,
and
not
propose
or
sent
to
any
bill
vote,
a
resolution
which
will
appear
injurious
to
the
people
or
consent
to
any
actor
thing.
D
Whatever
the
child
have
a
tendency
to
lessen
or
bridge
their
rights
and
privileges,
as
declared
by
the
constitution
of
this
state.
Article
1
section
26,
says
the
citizens
of
this
state
have
a
right
to
keep
and
bear
arms
for
their
common
defense,
but
the
legislature
shall
have
power
by
law
to
regulate
the
wearing
of
arms
with
a
view
to
prevent
crime.
D
Andrew
v
state
a
supreme
court
case
in
1871,
used
by
the
way
to
bolster
the
heller
decision
said
this.
In
its
majority
opinion,
the
tennessee
supreme
court
has
recognized
that
the
general
assembly
has
the
authority,
under
this
section
of
the
constitution,
to
enact
legislation
to
regulate
the
wearing
and
carry
of
arms
in
public.
Any
such
enactment,
however,
must
be
guided
by
and
restrained
to,
the
ascend
and
by
some
well-defined
relations
prevention
of
crime,
or
else
it
is
unauthorized
by
this
clause
of
the
constitution.
D
The
right
to
keep
arms
necessarily
involves
the
right
to
purchase
them,
to
keep
them
in
a
state
of
efficiency
for
use
and
provide
ammunition
suitable
for
such
arms
and
to
keep
them
prepared
and
clearly,
for
this
purpose,
a
man
would
have
the
right
to
carry
them
to
and
from
his
home,
and
the
legislature
has
no
right
to
punish
him
for
it.
Without
violating
this
clause
of
the
constitution.
D
D
Article
6
section
2,
says
this
constitution
and
the
laws
of
the
united
states,
which
shall
be
made
in
pursuance
thereof
and
all
treaties
made
or
which
shall
be
made
under
the
authority
of
the
united
states,
shall
be
the
supreme
law
of
the
land
and
the
judges
in
every
state
shall
be
bound,
thereby
anything
in
the
constitutional
laws
of
any
state.
To
the
contrary,
notwithstanding
in
marbury
versus
madison,
the
supreme
court
of
the
u.s
held
a
law
republic
repugnant
to
the
constitution
is
void.
Any
act
of
congress
repugnant
to
the
constitution
cannot
become
a
law.
D
The
constitution
supersedes
all
other
laws,
and
the
individual's
right
shall
be
liberally
enforced
in
favor
of
him.
The
clearly
intended
express,
designated
beneficiary
in
2010
mcdonald
city
of
chicago,
the
supreme
court,
declared
the
second
amendment
right
for
individuals
to
keep
and
bear
arms
for
self-defense
as
a
fundamental
constitutional
right
under
the
due
process.
D
D
An
offense
is
a
crime
tennessee
supreme
court
clause,
which
I
consider
it
to
be
article
11,
section
16,
says
the
declaration
of
rights
hereto
prefix
is
declared
to
be
a
part
of
the
constitution
of
this
state
and
shall
never
be
violated
in
any
cause
whatsoever
and
to
guard
against
transgression
of
the
high
powers
we
have
delegated.
We
hold
that
everything
in
the
declaration
of
rights
contained
is
accepted
out
of
the
general
powers
of
government
and
shall
forever
remain
inviolate.
D
A
M
M
I
support
I
want
to
get
into
just
the
meat
of
it
just
a
little
bit
here,
something
in
in
essence
at
some
point
decades
ago,
some
legislature,
long
before
we
got
here
decided
to
say
look
it's
a
it's
a
crime
to
carry
a
firearm
for
purposes.
You
know
to
go
armed,
and
then
they
made
several
exceptions
to
that
now.
M
I
do
disagree
a
little
bit
on
how
it
works
in
practice-
and
I
know
you
know
I've
talked
about
this,
but
you
know
several
of
us
practice
in
the
courts
throughout
this
state-
you're
not
prosecuted,
and
then
the
exception
comes
in
the
exception's
built
into
the
statute,
and
so
it
makes
it
where
it
is
not
lawful
or
it
is
not
unlawful.
Excuse
me,
it
makes
it
where
it
is
lawful
to
carry
in.
M
Quite
a
few
areas,
just
like
last
year
with
the
constitutional,
carry
bill
that
expanded
significantly
those
areas
and-
and
I
want
to
ask
a
question
about
that-
so
a
subdivision
in
this
deletes
39-17-13-11
and
that's
a
pretty
extensive
section.
What's
the
intention
in
deleting
that
and
again
again
not
opinion
whether
I
agree
or
disagree
just
asking
the
question
on:
what's
the
intention
of
deleting
39-17-13-11.
D
D
After
time
we
come
before
these
committees
with
a
bill
that
doesn't
necessarily
clean
up
all
the
code
section,
so
it
gets
rolled
because
it
doesn't
take
out
everything
that
is
necessary
for
us
to
get
that
issue
done,
and
so
deleting
that
portion
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
everything
out
to
where
it's
just
not
a
crime,
and
you-
and
I
have
talked
again
like
you,
said
about
in
practicality-
that
it's
not
a
crime.
However,
it
says
so
in
1307
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
remove
that.
M
You
know
rule
which
I
don't
think
should
be
about
those
things
either.
Are
you
absolutely
certain
that
somewhere
else
in
your
bill,
you're
providing
for
those
defenses?
Because
I
don't
want
a
law-abiding
gun
owner-
and
I
know
you
don't
want
either
I
do
not
or
a
law-abiding
knife
owner
to
lose
a
defense
that
they
have
now
it
takes
out
a
big
section.
Are
we
losing
anything
by
taking
that
section
out
of
defenses
that
are
available
if.
D
D
That
being
the
case,
as
I
understand
it,
what
we
were
trying
to
do
in
going
through
the
total
list
of
code
sections
in
this
is
to
simply
make
sure
that
we
remove
everything
that
would
be
an
impediment
to
a
non-criminal
carrying
a
firearm
on
their
person.
If
you
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
strike
that
portion
of
our
bill,
then
I
am
certainly
all
for
that,
because
I've
been
working
on
this,
as
you
well
know,
for
25
years,
and
so.
M
M
I
mean
it's
and
again
I
support
the
the
you're,
both
your
efforts
and
the
the
sponsors
efforts
to
clean
this
up,
because
it
is,
I
mean
it
is
very
difficult
to
wade
through
this
for
anyone
and
it
should
be
simple-
and
I
know
that's
the
goal
I
just
at
some
juncture
either
today
or
another
opportunity.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
look
at
that
very
carefully
because
we're
taking
out
some
offenses
we're
taking
out
some
exceptions
and
defenses.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
lose
anything
in
the
swap.
A
R
Elizabeth
stroker
legislative
director
for
the
department
of
safety-
and
I
don't
think
I'll,
take
four
minutes.
Sorry,
the
website
is
down,
there's
some
slow
things,
so
I'm
trying
to
load
everything
up
here
wanted
to
come
in
and
speak
today.
The
department
of
safety
is
opposed
to
this
legislation
because
it
does
a
number
of
things
kind
of
inconsistent
with
what
has
already
been
been
done
in
the
past
in
relation
to
permit
less
carry
this
basically
moves
it
to
full,
permit,
less,
carry
or
constitutional
carry
within
the
state.
R
Without
any
of
the
exemptions
that
this
body
put
into
place
last
year,
it
would
take
out
the
dui
requirements.
It
would
take
out
the
requirements
that
were
added
in
in
relation
to
adjudication
for
mental
illness,
for
it
deletes
all
of
the
things
that
you
all
have
decided,
wouldn't
be
allowed
for.
Permit-Less
carry
if
somebody
were
of
age,
and
it
also
makes
it
opens
it
up
for
anyone
of
any
age.
That
is
a
a
big
concern.
A
K
R
Well,
the
department
of
safety.
Our
mission
is
to
serve
secure
and
protect
the
tennesseans
of
tennessee.
My
job
specifically,
I
am
the
legislative
director.
I
am
tasked
with
reading
all
bills
that
are
filed,
determining
how
they
may
impact
the
department
and
then
conversing
with
this
body
on
how
they
would
impact
the
department.
I'm
also
an
attorney
a
licensed
attorney,
and
I
am
an
attorney
for
our
department
as
well,
so
that
is
within
my
job
function.
K
M
Mr
chairman,
this
is
a
member
of
the
executive
branch
team
that
is
hired
by
the
department
of
safety
to
come
and
share
information
based
on
that
team.
That's
a
procedural
issue
that
we
can
discuss.
There
are
bills
that
discuss
that
this
bill,
your
bill
and
again
you
know,
support
many
aspects
of
it.
This
is
a
fact
witness
that
here
is
to
testify
about
the
aspects
of
this
bill
and
has
full
authority
to
do
so.
This
is
not
a
lobbyist,
it's
not
a
paid
lobbyist.
M
This
is
an
individual
that
we
can
gain
facts
from
and
can
disagree
or
agree
with
those,
and
then
we
determine
the
policy.
So
my
objection
was
is
that
I
would
prefer
we
spend
the
time
today,
actually
gaining
whatever
facts
one
way
or
the
other
should
do
the
mr
archie
on
this
particular
bill.
That's
my
objection,
mr
chairman.
M
Go
ahead,
mr
chairman
and
again
we
can.
We
can
have
this
debate.
There
is
a
bill
out
there
that
sets
parameters
on
these
type
of
employees
of
the
state
of
tennessee,
but
they
are
allowed
to
say
what,
quite
frankly,
the
department's
position
on
a
bill
is
and
what
the
governor's
position
is.
They
can
convey
that
information
and
then
we
can
either
agree
or
disagree
with
that,
but
that's
our
decision.
M
This
is
a
fact
witness
that
is
on
a
specific
bill
and
I
would
prefer,
under
our
rules,
at
least
in
the
house,
that
we
just
talk
about
the
facts
of
this
particular
bill
and
and
with
all
due
respect
to
my
friend
and
fellow
representative.
This
conversation
has
happened
in
many
committees.
This
has
merely
been
the
instance
that
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
address
it.
M
I
would
prefer,
when
we
have
witnesses
that
come
before
us,
we
ask
factual
questions
of
those
witnesses
and
not
have
a
dispute
as
to
whether
or
not
a
person
that
is
a
tennessean
is
allowed
to
come
in
and
even
testify
in
front
of
a
committee.
If
they
wish
to
come
and
testify,
I
would
prefer
we
ask
them.
Questions
gain
whatever
information
we
want,
and
then
we
make
a
decision
up
here
on
policy.
M
Thank
you
and
and
you've
done
a
fantastic
job
in
representing
the
department
here
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
We
appreciate
that
I
will
say
that
you
know
any
time
that
any
member
asks
for
a
commissioner
to
appear
in
front
of
a
committee.
We
would
ask
them
to
take
that
very
seriously,
and
that
is
not
in
any
way
reflection
on
the
job
that
you're
doing
you're
doing
great.
M
But
it
is
these
commissioners
do
from
time
to
time
need
to
appear
before
a
committee,
especially
on
a
very
dense
bill
of
this
nature,
to
be
able
to
articulate
exactly
where
they
are
on
different
bills,
and
so
I
would
join
that
request
at
some
juncture
for
the
commissioner.
Safety
we'll
be
happy
to
move
things
around,
I'm
sure
we're
always
accommodating
to
the
different
commissioners.
They've
got
big
jobs
and
I'm
personally
a
fan
of
this
commissioner.
M
A
C
Thank
you,
sharon.
I
know
we.
I
know
we
spend
a
lot
of
time,
but
I
would
I
would
like
to
members
I'd
like
to
make
make
a
motion
to
roll
this
bill
to
next
week.
Not
take
a
vote
now.
I
do
have
more
questions.
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
moving
it
out
of
sub
at
this
point
in
time.
I
just
make
a
motion:
if
the
sponsor
would
we
just
roll
to
next
week,
and
then
we
can,
we
can
talk
about,
discuss
it
and
then
move
it
forward.
A
A
Has
been
called
any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
to
adopt
house
or
amendment
number
one.
Four,
six,
five,
eight
on
the
house
bill,
2178
all
of
us
in
favor,
say
aye.
Those
opposed
the
ice
prevail
you
adopt.
We
are
now
on
house
bill
2178
as
amended.
There
are
folks
here
signed
up
for
testimony.
A
M
M
Q
Okay,
my
name
is
pamela
moses
and
I
was
kind
of
shocked
from
the
last.
I
just
want
you
all
to
know
I've
been
convicted
of
stalking.
So
if
you
pass
that
bill
I'll
get
to
carry
a
gun
but
moving
forward
to
this
bill,
I
wanted
you
to
know
that
I
think
it
violates
the
right
to
privacy
and
I'm
a
little
confused
as
to
why
you
want
to
fly
drones
in
the
emergency
segment.
Q
You
know
the
fatima
and
fema
they
usually
deal
with
disasters
and
stuff
and
I'm
concerned,
if
you
pass
this
bill,
that
you
may
fly
over
my
house
and
start
collecting
data,
without
my
permission,
as
well
as
the
citizens
of
tennessee.
So
I
would
like
for
you
to
please
take
judicial
and
legislative
notice
that
the
intent
of
this
bill
seeks
to
violate
people's
right
to
privacy.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
O
O
Any
image
collected
or
obtained
by
team
through
the
use
of
a
drone
for
the
purpose
of
damage
assessment
may
be
retained
by
the
agency
for
no
longer
than
one
year
or
if
the
disaster
is
declared
a
major
disaster
by
the
president
of
the
united
states
for
the
retention
period
required
by
the
fema
eight.
You
know
federal
emergency
management
agency
for
data
related
to
damage
assessment.
All
images
captured
for
any
other
purpose
for
any
other
purpose
must
be
disposed
of
within
15
business
days.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
H
O
You
really
see
the
damage
if
you're
on
the
inside,
and
they
said
no,
we
can't
go
there.
We
can
only
survey
from
the
outside.
So
my
thoughts
with
this
bill
is:
how
faster
can
we
get
stuff
done
than
requiring
two
people
to
be
together
at
all
times,
going
from
house
to
house
to
house
and
keep
in
mind
friends
it
we
lost
600
homes,
we
lost
two
school
buildings,
we
lost
every
single
school
bus
in
the
fleet.
I
mean
it's
and
that's
an
example.
I
I
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
spill.
Recalling
the
tornadoes
in
bradley
county.
In
2011,
we
had
nine
people
who
lost
their
lives,
a
tremendous
devastation,
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
in
damage
and
had
we
been
had
access
to
this
video
surveillance
with
drones,
it
would
have
expedited
the
cleanup
and
the
dispensation
of
emergency
personnel
to
the
areas
that
needed
it
most.
There
was
another
situation
in
a
separate
incident
where
I
understand
that
a
it
was
11
or
12
year.
C
Old
boy
was
out
hiking,
as
boys
tend
to
do
and
got
caught
in
a
big
mud
bog
and
was
couldn't
get
out
and
they
used
surveillance
like
this
to
find
him,
and
they
did
it
in
minutes
where
a
few
had
100
people
surveying
policing.
That
area
would
have
taken
hours
to
do
so.
I
think
this
is
a
good
bill.
I
like
the
parameters
that
are
on
it,
so
I'm
I'm
glad
to
vote
for
it.
Thank
you.
L
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
question.
Seeing
none
any
objection
of
the
question
saying
no
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2178
on
the
full
criminal
as
amended,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Those
opposed
eyes
prevail.
You
move
on
members
all
bills
that
were
left
on
the
calendar
will
be
rolled
to
next
week's
calendar.