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House Criminal Justice Committee - April 7, 2021 - House Hearing Room 2
A
B
A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk
members.
Before
we
get
started
today,
do
we
have
any
personal
orders
seeing
none
members
today?
As
you
know,
we
have
a
special
task
before
us
before
we
get
to
our
regular
calendar.
So
if
you're
here,
members
of
the
public
to
to
hear
some
bills
that
will
be
discussed
later,
we
you
do
have
a
little
bit
of
time,
because
we
have
our
first
order
of
business
is
a
hearing
on
the
confirmation
of
judge,
jill
ayers
and
so
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
bring
that
up.
A
I
was
very
glad
to
hear
it
so
glad
to
have
her
here
with
us
today
and
I
think
members
judge
ayers
has
been
around
to
several
of
the
offices
to
hopefully
meet
with
some
of
you
and
if
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
speak
with.
Her
would
encourage
you
to
ask
some
questions
today,
or
maybe
try
to
catch
her
afterwards
and
just
get
to
know
her
a
little
bit
she's
a
fantastic
person
so
just
to
remind
everybody,
a
constitutional
amendment
was
proposing.
A
The
judicial
confirmation
process
was
approved
by
the
voters
of
the
state
on
november,
the
4th
2014..
So
that's
why
we're
here
today
the
procedures
governing
the
process
were
passed
into
law
by
the
general
assembly
on
january,
the
28th
2016.,
and
when
a
vacancy
occurs,
the
governor
appoints
a
nominee
to
fill
the
vacancy
subject
to
a
vote
of
both
chambers
of
the
general
assembly.
A
So
we
will
get
started
this
morning.
Is
the
governor's
chief
counsel
will
introduce
the
nominee
to
the
committee.
The
nominee
will
make
her
opening
statement
and
then
I
will
open
the
floor
to
questions
from
members
and
then
following
those
questions
once
the
committee
has
asked
everything
they
need
to
ask,
then
I
will
entertain
a
motion
either
for
a
recommendation
for
confirmation
or
a
recommendation
for
rejection
of
the
nominee.
A
I
will
then
gabble
the
sesh
us
out
of
session
and
ask
the
governor's
chief
counsel
and
the
nominee
to
come
forward,
so
I'm
gonna
do
that
now.
So,
if
any,
unless
anybody
has
any
questions
about
the
process,
all
right,
seeing
none,
we
will
go
out
of
session
mr
wiseman
you're
here
today.
If
you
could,
please
introduce
us
to
the
governor's
nominee,
sir.
C
C
Judge
ayers
was
a
phenomenal
candidate
and
I
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
her
her
background
before
we
get
started
here
today.
Judge
airs
grew
up
on
a
farm
in
in
todd
county
kentucky
and
she
moved
to
nashville
to
attend
belmont
where
she
earned
a
degree
in
english.
She
then
studied
law
at
the
university
of
tennessee
and
graduated
in
1992..
C
She
recently
completed
a
term
as
the
presiding
judge
of
the
19th
judicial
district
during
the
pandemic,
which
has
obviously
presented
significant
challenges.
Balancing
the
issues
with
with
coven
19
with
the
constitutional
rights
of
of
criminal
defendants
to
have
their
day
in
court
and
she's
done
that
with
success.
C
As
I
mentioned,
there
were
three
applicants
that
were
sent
to
the
governor
for
consideration.
As
part
of
that
process,
we
interview
the
back.
We
perform
background
checks,
research,
their
record
and
interview
the
candidates.
The
governor
takes
this
this
responsibility
very
seriously.
He
is
heavily
involved
personally
in
the
process,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there
were
three
very
good
applicants,
but
judge
jill
ayers
certainly
stood
out
among
those
applicants.
C
There's
a
host
of
reasons
why
the
governor
selected
her
ranging
from
her
professional
reputation
and
standing
and
the
level
of
support
she
received
in
the
community.
I
think
it's
notable
that
throughout
this
entire
process,
we
did
not
receive
one
negative
word
about
judge
chill
airs,
that's
amazing!
If
you
stop
and
think
about
it,
you
preside
over
criminal
court,
there's
a
lot
of
winners
and
losers
when
it
comes
to
to
that
that
sort
of
job-
and
we
didn't
receive
a
single
word,
either
from
the
bar
or
from
those
in
her
community.
C
I
think
that
she
is
uniquely
able
to
articulate
the
type
of
judicial
philosophy
and
worldview,
that's
important
to
the
governor
and
to
all
of
us
who
believe
that
judges
have
an
appropriate
role
to
interpret
the
law,
not
make
the
law
and
that
the
actual
text
of
the
constitution
and
statutes
should
be,
and
are
the
most
paramount
concern
of
the
courts.
And
I
think
you
will
find
in
your
questioning
that
that
you
will
find
that
she
is
uniquely
suited
to
that
worldview
and
uniquely
able
to
articulate
it.
And
with
that.
C
I
would
commend
you
to
her
to
commend
her
to
you
for
your
consideration.
Now
before
I
go.
I'd
be
remiss,
and
I
want
to
to
set
the
stage
that,
due
to
certain
ethical
restrictions
based
on
the
fact
that
she's,
a
sitting
judge
and
a
prospective
court
of
criminal
appeals
judge,
it
would
be
inappropriate
for
her
ethically
to
discuss
specific
cases
or
specific
issues.
C
And
so,
while
she
might
want
to
answer
all
of
the
questions
that
you
ask,
she
may
not
be
able
to
for
ethical
reasons,
although
certainly
her
judicial
philosophy
and
worldview
or
her
open
game
for
questions.
And
I
would
encourage
you
to
to
ask
her,
but
certainly
we
would
not
want
her
to
violate
her
her
ethical
duties,
but
also
potentially
to
be
forced
to
recuse
herself
on
an
important
case
that
we
would
all
want
her
to
be
able
to
hear
in
the
event
that
that
came
about.
So
with
that
I'm
willing
to
answer
questions.
C
A
Members
any
questions
for
mr
wiseman,
okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
We
appreciate
you.
Thank
you
ma'am.
If
you
could
please
come
forward
and
while
we
have
said
your
name
several
times,
this
may
seem
silly,
but
if
you
could,
please
state
your
name
for
the
record,
and
we
would
invite
you
to
give
your
opening
statement.
D
Thank
you
and
good
afternoon
I
am
jill
bartiers
and,
as
mentioned,
I'm
currently
circuit
court
judge
for
the
19th
judicial
district,
which
covers
robertson
and
montgomery
counties.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
today.
I
want
to
thank
mr
wiseman
for
his
nice
comments
and
introduction.
I
want
to
thank
my
representative,
curtis
johnson
for
being
here
today
and
being
so
supportive
throughout
this
process.
D
My
husband
is
here
today,
as
mr
wiseman
introduced,
brian
ayers
and
he's
been
incredibly
supportive
throughout
this
process.
Unfortunately,
none
of
our
boys
were
able
to
be
here.
We've
got
two
in
chattanooga
one
in
knoxville
and
one
here
and
two
of
them
are
trying
to,
or
they
tell
us
at
least,
that
they're
spending
a
lot
of
time
studying
to
graduate
in
may
so
we'll
to
be
continued,
we'll
let
you
know
how
that
goes,
but
I
do
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
D
D
A
Thank
you
ma'am.
We
appreciate
that
opening
statement
and
I
can
say
I
it's
time
flies
yeah,
it's
hard
to
believe.
You've
been
on
the
bench
for
five
and
a
half
years,
but
I
know
all
of
us
who
had
worked
with
you
prior
were
pretty
upset
when
you
left
private
practice,
so
I
can't
believe
we're
actually
considering
a
promotion
today,
but
no
I'm
very,
very
excited
to
see
this
members
first
on
my
list,
I
have
leader
lamberth,
you
recognized.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
have
a
question
in
a
moment,
but
I
also
want
to
echo
the
chairman's
comments.
Judge.
I've
only
been
in
your
court
a
couple
of
times,
but
I've
heard
lots
and
lots
of
lawyers
and
members
of
your
community
brag
on
you
on
a
regular
basis,
on
being
fair
and
even
with
folks,
and
many
of
those
folks,
I
heard
were
leaving
your
courtroom
and
had
lost
in
their
case.
E
So
just
as
mr
weisman
said
you
know,
all
we
can
ever
ask
out
of
any
judge
is
to
be
fair,
to
call
balls
and
strikes
and
to
take
the
laws
that
we
put
in
place
and
truly
just
apply
them
in
your
courtroom,
and
I've
heard
from
a
great
number
of
members
of
your
community
that
that's
exactly
what
you
do
in
saying
that
that
leads
into
my
question.
In
an
age
of
judicial
activism,
we
have
seen
a
rise
in
the
number
of
judges.
Legislating
for
the
bench.
D
Well,
certainly,
the
latter,
I
think,
there's
no
place
for
judicial
activism.
It's
I
believe
in
the
separation
of
powers.
It's
the
judge's
role
to
simply
apply
the
law
as
given
to
us
by
the
general
assembly
and
as
written
as
it
says
in
the
constitution
and
just
apply
the
law
to
very
unique
circumstances
and
facts
and
controversies
that
come
before
us.
E
Thank
your
honor.
That
absolutely
was
a
perfect
answer.
I
didn't
didn't
tell
you
exactly
what
the
question
was
going
to
be
beforehand,
but
that's
exactly
what
we
would
ask
of
you
and
thank
you
for
your
service
thus
far,
and
I
certainly
support
this.
You
know
you
stepping
into
this
new
role
and
I'm
confident
you'll
do
a
fantastic
job.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
I
look
forward
to
everybody
else's
questions.
Thank
you,
mr.
A
F
You
know
to
do
everything
and
I've
supported
him
in
this
business,
and
so
I
do
have
an
affinity
for
back
to
nolan
and,
of
course,
can't
get
away
from
the
nolans
here.
You
still
have
bill.
Nolan
follow
me
around
and
I
think
you'll
do
a
great
job.
I
haven't
had
much
time
to
deal
with
you
in
in
montgomery
county,
which
is
a
good
thing,
because
I
have
never
been
before
you
in
court,
so
I
think
that
that's
a
great
off
to
a
great
start
already.
F
F
Fall
victim
to
the
pressures
that
they
come
along
with
your
job,
because
there
is
obviously
in
this,
this
atmosphere
of
environment,
of
what
we
have
going
on
today.
There's
a
lot
of
outside
influences
that
go
on
that
pull
you
in
in
each
direction
and
I
think
you've
shown
that
you
can
handle
those
pressures.
So
I
wish
you
good
luck
and-
and
hopefully
I'll
never
have
to
up
here
for
you.
So
I
want
to
keep
that
streak
alive,
and
but
thank
you
again
for
coming
here.
Thank.
D
D
Thank
you,
I
think,
as
far
as
greatest
achievements
in
this
profession,
in
this
role
that
I
have
am
currently
in
would
just
be
coming
in.
I
came
in
in
kind
of
a
tumultuous
area
where
there
had
not
been
a
criminal
court
judge
on
the
bench
for
several
months,
so
there
was
a
significant
backlog
of
cases
and
also,
as
mentioned
having
a
civil
law
primarily
background.
D
D
D
As
far
as
any
failure,
you
know
we
never
like
to
admit
failure,
but
we
are
all
human
and
we
all
have
areas
in
which
we
can
improve
just
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
would
think
of
one
situation
in
a
jury
trial
where
we
got
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
a
homicide
trial
and
a
juror
had
withheld
some
information
that
he
we
found
that
out.
He
finally
told
someone
that
we
should
have
known.
D
It
was
hard
to
to
determine-
I
guess
how
I
we
could
have
brought
that
out
sooner,
but
I
think
what
I
learned
from
that.
So
we
had
to
declare
a
mistrial
which
is
always
frustrating
and
one
of
the
things
that
people
don't
want
to
do
it's
the
goal
of
everyone
to
get
the
trial
finished,
be
fair
and
get
a
good
result,
but
in
that
case
I
think
I
learned
to
ask
more
questions
of
jurors
and
to
try
better
to
make
them
more
comfortable
to
understand.
F
Chairman
doggett,
thank
you
very
much
that
that's
always
perhaps
the
toughest
question
that
that
people
ever
ask
and
always
dread
getting
asked
those
questions,
because
it's
hard
to
be
critical
of
yourself
and
and
especially
things
that
you're
passionate
about,
but
it's
those
failures
that
we
once
we
recognize
those
we
grow
from
them
and
it
makes
our
successes
that
much
better.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
for
your
answers.
Thank
you.
A
G
D
I
would
just
describe
it
as
judicial
restraint
again,
I
think
the
the
judge
has
a
critical
but
limited
role
again.
We
are,
we
are
there
to
apply
the
law,
as
is
given
to
us
and
law
that
the
words
that
are
in
the
constitution,
the
law
that
comes
to
us
from
the
legislative
body
and
our
opinions,
feelings,
ideas
about
things
or
anything
about
the
outcome
does
not
matter
so
that
that
is
my
philosophy.
D
D
D
G
Level
well
we're
trying
to
get
it
right
in
one
one
court.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
would
ask
is
that
as
you
and
there's
some
subjectivity
to
this
there's
some
subjectivity
to
the
way.
I
do
my
job
and
I
think
anyone
that
does
a
job
and
not
being
honest,
intellectually
honest
if
they
don't
say
that
their
experiences
in
life
influence,
how
they
interpret
law
and
whether
it's
a
meaning
that
you're
interpreting
or
or
how
you're
going
to
apply.
G
H
H
D
H
But
in
the
future
that
I
would
give
you
caution
on
on
that
judge
errors
in
the.
In
the
brief
time
we've
been
able
to
spend
together
in
the
few
moments
right
now.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve.
That
is
something
that
is
that
is
lost
on
several
folks
that
there's
many
folks
that
could
do
this
position,
but
you're
not
only
qualified
but
also
willing
to
serve,
and
I
thank
you
for
that
willingness
as
a
proud
girl
dad.
H
As
my
colleague
to
the
left
to
my
left
just
just
mentioned,
you
do
become
a
role
model
immediately.
You
do
become
a
role
model
for
for
our
daughters
and
the
women
across
the
state,
so
that
that
is
very
meaningful
and
very
powerful.
For
me,
we
talked
about
our
children,
my
daughter's
20
at
ut.
I've
got
a
younger
daughter.
I
didn't
mention
who's
10
years
old,
who
thinks
you
should
be
at
ut
right
now
and
and-
and
you
certainly
have
influence
over
the
young
women
in
our
state
and
they
will.
H
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Judge
just
wanted
to
say.
First
of
all,
I've
had
several
cases
on
my
civil
side
with
bats
and
nolan,
always
professional,
always
collegiate,
very
fine
firm
that
you
come
from
number
one
number
two
is,
I
think,
I'm
the
only
belmont
graduate
on
this
platform,
so
I
want
I
want
to
tell
you
guys
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
for
our
school
and
we
we
wish
you
luck
in
this
endeavor.
Thank
you
so
much.
B
J
J
You
know
our
jobs
are
very
subjective,
and
our
jobs
here
on
in
the
state
legislature
are
very
district
oriented,
whether
it
be
from
east
tennessee
to
middle
to
west
and
our
opinions
and
our
views
probably
are
are
very
political
at
times,
and
I
think
that,
based
off
what
my
colleague
had
said
from
memphis,
I
I
wanted
the
members
to
understand
what
your
role
was
and
what
how
at
least
I
understand
it
once
a
case
has
been
heard
at
the
trial
court
level.
That's
where
testimony
is
heard.
J
J
Judges
there
will
hear
only
what's
in
the
technical
record,
so
that
means
that
there
will
be
no
testimony
from
defendants.
There'll
be
no
testimony
heard
in
the
court
of
criminal
appeals
that
wasn't
testified
to
in
the
trial
courts.
So
I
think,
that's
important
to
understand
and
that
I
am
confident
that
you
will
interpret
interpret
the
laws
that
we
send
your
way
and
that
this
bodies
have
been
sending
your
way
for
years
objectively.
B
D
A
A
A
And
at
this
time
I
would
entertain
a
motion
either
for
confirmation
or
for
rejection
of
the
nominee
we
have.
We
have
a
motion.
That's
been
properly
seconded
any
discussion
on
that
motion,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
confirmation,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
thank
you
ma'am
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you
committee
and.
A
We're
we're
finished
with
that
part
of
our
hearing.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
we're
not
adjourned.
We
have
a
lot
more
to
do.
Yeah,
yeah
yeah,
that's
right!
Yeah!
We
would
love
to
go
but
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
members
that
does
bring
us
to
our
regular
calendar,
which
is
begins
with
house
bill
1339,
which
I
am
carrying
on
behalf
of
representative
ogle.
So
I
will
pass
the
gavel
down
to
our
vice
chair.
A
Sir,
absolutely
thank
you
very
much
members.
This
amendment
does,
as
I
said,
rewrites
the
bill
and
it
would
allow
the
court
to
permit
remote
testimony
by
a
forensic
analyst
in
any
criminal
proceeding,
but
only
if
the
state
has
provided
a
copy
of
any
report
produced
by
the
forensic
analyst
that
the
state
is
seeking
to
admit
into
evidence
through
remote
testimony
at
least
15
days
prior
to
the
proceeding
the
defendant
agrees
to
permit
remote
testimony.
A
The
court
finds
that
the
defendant's
agreement
was
knowing
and
voluntary,
and
finally,
the
court
and
the
state
agree
to
permit
remote
testimony.
Any
testimony
must
allow
all
parties
to
observe
the
demeanor
of
the
analysts
as
they
testify
in
a
similar
manner,
as
if
they
were
in
the
location
where
the
hearing
was
being
conducted.
So
everyone
involved
in
this
process
would
would
have
to
agree
to
it
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
B
A
Sir
that's
correct
and
I
think
I
think
it
does
have
an
immediate
impact
with
our
kind
of
lingering
covid
situation,
but
but
again
with
with
these
resources
being
very
dear,
especially,
you
know,
tbi
crime
lab
they
could
be
doing
other
things.
So
I
think
it
does
have
a
purpose
even
outside
of
code
as
well.
A
E
And
mr
chairman,
I
apologize,
I
should
have
known
that
you
were
going
to
be
running
this
bill.
I
was
going
to
reach
out
to
the
original
sponsor,
I
know
he's
unavailable.
The
last
question
is
what
I
was
trying
to
get
an
answer
to,
and
I've
heard
you
say
earlier
that,
and
I
think
the
language
says
both
the
state,
the
defendant
and
the
court
all
have
to
concur
and
that's
correct
right.
A
E
That
could
be
helpful
in
the
case,
and
I
didn't
know
if
this
covers
that
or
not
and
and
again
I
I
was
going
to
ask
the
original
sponsor
of
this-
should
only
would
not
have
been
here
today,
but
are
those
other
entities
covered
and
if
not,
why
not?
Because
again
a
lot
of
times
there
are
labs
from
out
of
state
that
this
potentially
could
be
helpful
with.
A
Chairman
curcio,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
no
thank
you
for
that
question
and
I,
as
you
as
you
mentioned,
I
am
carrying
this
on
behalf
of
another
member.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
the
answer
correct.
So
if
I
look
in
section
one,
we
define
forensic
analysts
to
say
it
means
any
expert
in
the
scientific
detection
of
crime
within
the
forensic
services
division
of
the
tennessee
bureau,
of
investigation
or
within
a
regional
crime
laboratory
under
the
supervision
of
the
director
of
the
bureau.
E
I
mean
again,
I
don't
know
whether
the
intent
was
to
just
cover
tbi
and
the
other
could
be
covered
in
another
area,
but
it
was
when
I
was
reading
through
this
amendment.
It's
just
kind
of
the
first
thing
that
came
to
mind
is
there's
a
lot
of
expense
in
getting
another,
an
expert
kind
of
an
outside
expert
to
come
into
the
state.
E
Quite
frankly,
in
engine
cases
it
can
get
extraordinarily
expensive
for
the
state
of
tennessee
to
have
experts
come
in
and
if
everyone
agreed,
just
as
they
would
for
potentially
tbi
expert
but
hey,
look,
this
could
happen
remotely
it
potentially
and
again.
I
would
only
be
interested
in
that.
Do
you
know
if
the
sponsor
wants
to
limit
this?
Just
as
it
is
right
now
or
are
they
open
to
changes.
A
Chairman
curcio,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
excellent
question.
So
I
answer
the
second
one.
First,
I
don't
know
if
the
original
sponsor
is
open
to
changes,
but
I
do
I
can't
imagine
there
would
be
objection
to
it,
but
I
do
know
that
one
one
of
his
original
intents
was
to
try
to
speed
up
tbi's
turnaround
time
on
some
of
these
things,
so
on
on
other
work
that
they're
doing
in
that
crime
lab.
I
think
he's
also
had
a
bill
on
rape
kits
and
expediting
that
that
process
and
so
forth.
A
A
Curcio,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
if,
if
the
forensic
analyst
meets
the
definition
in
the
bill,
then
they
would
be
able
to
testify
remotely
as
long
as
everybody
agreed
to
it,
but
they
would
they
would
have
to
meet
that
definition.
So
in
this
case
the
defense
would
have
to
be
using
someone
who
works
for
the
forensic
services
division
of
the
tbi
or
within
a
regional
crime
laboratory
under
the
supervision
of
the
director
of
the
bureau.
E
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chairman
and
mr
chairman.
If,
if
I
may
make
a
suggestion,
if
again,
if
we
could
roll
this
a
week
to
consult
with
the
original
sponsor,
I
think
it
potentially
would
be
a
good
idea
to
just
open
it
up
to
all
entities.
I
thought
about
this,
as
the
debate
was
going
on
farther.
There
are
also
outside
labs
that
the
state
uses
from
time
to
time.
So
it's
not
even
just
the
defense,
I
mean
there.
There
are
some
times
in
order
to
get
caught
up
or
to
utilize
outside
labs.
E
I
mean
sometimes
there's
just
other
labs
that
are
used,
so
it
might
be
beneficial
to
maybe
open
this
up
a
little
bit,
especially
if
everyone
has
to
agree
and
no
one's
being
forced
into
this
it
with
the
small
some
small
changes.
It
might
even
turn
the
heat
back
up
on
representative
hardaway.
You
never
know
so.
A
K
A
A
A
L
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
always
a
thrill
to
find
out
what
real
judicial
processes
are
always
always
enjoy
it
here,
this
this
bill.
We
we
won't
get
into
amendments
today,
this
bill.
I
am
planning
to
to
take
off
notice,
but
I
didn't
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
it.
First,
if,
if
it's
okay
with
the
committee,
this
bill
has
is
really
about
a
family
and
close
to
my
district.
L
All
of
you
remember,
doug
gunnels,
the
department
of
transportation
liaison
that
has
worked
with
us
so
long.
His
son,
corey
gunnels,
would
have
been
seeing
his
44th
birthday
next
year.
The
the
story
we
have
here
is
a
man
with
a
wife,
two
children,
the
father.
We
know
doug
and
just
a
random
accident.
L
The
ct
scan
had
detected
neuro,
endocrine
carcinoma,
which
has
a
five-year
survival
rate
of
50
percent,
which
is
very,
very
threatening
the
long
story
of
many
treatments
of
up
and
down
retraction
of
the
tumors
and
then
regrowth
extremities
pain
and
situations
that
essentially
had
lasted
him
for
10
years.
He
was
33
when
he
first
diagnosed,
and
and
so
about
six
months
before
his
passing
away.
L
He
had
found
a
friend
of
a
friend
that
that
had
suggested
some
high
content
to
oil
from
the
cannabis
products
that
had
given
him.
Some
relief
and
the
the
issue
is
resolution
in
situations
like
this,
when,
when
medical
care
had
failed
and
the
the
consequences
of
his
care
were
actually
more
devastating
than
the
disease,
and
we
we
know
that
in
situations
like
this
resolution
doesn't
mean
a
cure,
it
means
a
better
life
style,
and
so
I
brought
this
bill
up.
L
L
So
with
that
explanation,
and-
and
I
came
to
to
the
chairman
here
and
with
his
typical
judicial
candor,
he
told
me
bob
your
bill's
dead,
but
the
so,
and
I
understand
that
it's
a
very
difficult
issue,
it's
an
issue
that
we
need
to
address
we're
going
to
have
to
face
it.
Our
constituents,
70
to
80
percent
of
it,
are
demanding
that
we
face
it.
So
with
that,
sir,
and
pending
any
questions,
I
will
ask
that
this
bill
be
taken
off
notice
with
the
preparation
that
we'll
address
it
again
next
year.
F
F
You
know
we
are
elected
to
come
up
here
and
make
the
laws
for
our
citizens,
but
our
citizens
have
the
right
to
pass
on
measures
by
constitutional
amendment
or
ballot
measures,
and
maybe
this
is
one
of
those
issues
that
the
citizens
all
decide
for
tennessee,
whether
regarding
marijuana
and
recreational
marijuana,
medical
marijuana,
whatever
I
just
feel
like.
That
would
give
everybody
up
here,
comfort
what
the
citizens
want
and
we
would
be
doing
what
the
citizens
want.
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
you
bringing
the
bill.
A
G
L
But
and
that's
one
of
the
big
issues
we
have
law
enforcement
comes
to
us
and
said,
says
we
really
don't
know
how
to
treat
this.
We
don't
know
exactly
what
this
other
state's
regulations
are
and
part
of
this
bill.
The
amendment
that
made
the
bill
came
from
the
tennessee
medical
association,
and
so
one
of
their
requirements
was
that
it
be
purchased
legally
in
another
state
and,
of
course,
that's
a
a
confusing
issue
for
law
enforcement.
L
Chairman
ramsey
and
if,
if
indeed
the
product
is
purchased
in
a
state
that
has
legalized
medical
cannabis
or
recreational,
those
states
are
very
judicious
and
particular
in
having
quality
control
and
I've
actually
gone
to
another
state,
nevada
and,
and
they
have
actually
legislative
programs
where
they
take
you
through
their
processing
and
and
growth
and
and
the
parts
of
the
industry.
And-
and
let
me
say
that
they
are
very
judicious
about
about
quality
control.
G
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
chairman
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
bill.
I
do
agree
with
you
that
we
must
face
this
issue.
The
more
act
has
passed.
The
united
states
house
is
expected
to
sign
past
the
u.s
senate
and
is
going
to
head
to
the
president's
desk
where
we'll
be
addressing
this
issue
nationwide,
and
I
kind
of
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
arkansas
mississippi
are
facing
this
issue
before
we
are
that's.
A
Chairman
ramsey,
before
you
answer
that
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
we
are
on
a
bill
that
has
been
generally
subbed
in
the
senate,
as
the
sponsor
is
requested
to
take
it
off
notice.
So,
to
the
extent
we
have
questions
for
the
sponsor,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
stay
within
the
the
the
parameters
that
this
bill
would
have
addressed.
So
chairman,
ramsey
you're,
recognized.
L
F
Thank
you,
and
I
just
asked
that
question
because
it
did
have
it's
a
subject
matter
of
health
care
and
it
did
go
through
the
health
committee.
So
it's
dealing
with
health,
but
I
appreciate
you
building
bringing
this
bill
and
challenging
us
to
go
ahead
and
face
this
issue.
That's
an
issue
that
we're
going
to
have
to
face
anyway.
So
I
look
forward
to
supporting
your
bill
next
time.
A
E
E
I
know
we've
gone
quite
far
afield
of
that
and
I'll
also
look
forward
to
the
debate
on
my
constituents
being
able
to
actually
have
this
discussion
with
their
doctor
instead
of
the
fellow
at
the
711,
that's
trying
to
sell
them
whatever
substance,
he
feels
like
right
now
that
many
of
these
states
have
legalized
and
said
sure
get
your
medical
care
from
the
local
convenience
store.
I
would
prefer
they
actually
go
to
their
doctor
and
get
the
care
that
they
need.
E
I
I
A
Those
are
the
committee
glasses.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
for
not
stealing
them.
We
appreciate
that
members
we're
gonna,
jump
to
item
number
12
and
then
number
13.
by
chairman
baum,
chairman
baum.
We
appreciate
you
being
patient
with
us.
I
know
you
waited
several
hours
a
week
or
so
ago
and
and
wanted
to
to
get
to
you
as
quickly
as
we
could
so
item
number
12
house
bill.
1211.,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
properly
recognized.
Thank.
M
You,
chairman,
curcio,
more
and
more
folks,
are
buying
their
merchandise
online.
This
is
particularly
true
in
the
pandemic
and
they
don't
like
it
when
their
packages
are
stolen
off
their
front
porch.
This
is
a
bill.
That's
designed
to
increase
the
penalties
on
stealing
packages
that
have
been
sent
through
the
mail.
It
doesn't
do
it
on
a
first
offense
on
the
first
offense.
The
penalty
is
still
charged
based
on
the
value
of
the
package,
but
on
the
second
offense,
the
minimum
penalty
would
be
as
a
class
e
felony.
M
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
the
question
has
been
called:
seeing:
no
objection
to
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1211
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
Thank
you
all.
Yes,
sir.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
13
also
by
vice
chairman
bomb
house
bill
1334.,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
properly
recognized,
and
I
see
an
amendment.
Do
you
wish
to
move
that
amendment.
A
M
Much
of
our
work
has
been
in
schools
by
training
teachers
and
providing
information
for
students
like
in
the
high
school
lifetime
wellness
course.
This
is
a
bill
that
would
allow
us
to
work
in
a
slightly
different
area.
It
would
require
the
19-member
tennessee
human
trafficking
advisory
council
to
develop
an
awareness
poster
on
human
trafficking
and
sex
trafficking.
The
posters
would
be
hung
in
tennessee's
welcome.
Centers
tennessee
has
16
of
these
welcome
centers
off
the
interstates.
M
The
posters
could
include
information
about
our
tbi
hotline
phone
number
as
well
as
our
web
page,
that
provides
information
about
human
trafficking.
The
bill
suggests
that
this
committee
consider
placing
these
posters
on
the
backs
of
bathroom
door
stalls
where
travelers
might
have
a
moment
of
of
privacy
and
they
could
take
down
the
number
or
the
web
page
or
even
make
a
phone
call
at
that
time.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment
any
questions
for
the
sponsor:
okay,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
attack.
Attaching
amendment
coded
4678
to
house
bill
1334,
please
signify
saying
aye
that
was
opposed.
You
adopt
we're
now
on
the
bill
as
amended.
The
amendment
made
the
bill
any
further
questions
representative
hawk
you're
recognized.
Thank.
H
You
jerry,
thank
you,
indulgence,
committee,
just
quick
comment.
The
the
availability
and
and
distribution
of
these
posters,
I
think,
is,
is
critically
important
and
to
go
beyond
the
welcome
centers
go
to
go
beyond
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about.
So
I
think
that
that's
as
we
have
this
discussion
as
the
design
is
accomplished
from
the
advisory
council,
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
a
bigger
conversation
about
numbers
in
broad
distribution.
This
is
certainly
a
good
beginning
to
the
conversation,
but
we
need
to
talk
about
larger
numbers
and
where
they
go.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
hawk,
seeing
no
further
questions
for
the
sponsor
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1334
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
calendar
and
rule.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir
appreciate
your
patience.
A
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
and
been
able
to
read
the
caption
spread
on
your
desk.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
hearing.
None.
I
will
entertain
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
sending
house
bill
1599
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
I
was
opposed
sure
you
had
to
finance.
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
N
You,
while
the
united
states
does
not
have
a
federal
firearms
registry,
nor
is
there
a
plan
for
confiscation
right
now.
There
certainly
is
discussion
about
the
issue,
including
a
bill
that
was
filed
march
1st
of
this
year,
entitled
the
firearms
licensing
and
registration
act
in
2015.
We
passed
past
public
chapter
380
on
anti-commandeering
doctrine
that
state
that
says
that
the
state
or
any
local
subdivision
will
not
use
funds,
personnel
or
property
to
enforce
any
federal
law
that
is
against
tennessee
state
law
or
constitution.
N
The
bill
has
the
amendment
here
has
two
main
goals.
In
the
event
the
feds
try
to
infringe
on
the
second
amendment
rights
via
confiscation
or
registration.
First,
it
puts
teeth
in
public
chapter
380
by
adding
a
class,
a
misdemeanor
to
a
state
or
political
subdivision,
personnel
that
discloses
fire
information
for
the
purpose
of
confiscation
or
registration,
and
second,
it
grants
a
cause
of
action
for
a
firearms
owner
against
an
individual
who
would
disclose
their
firearm
information
for
the
purposes
of
registration
or
confiscation.
E
E
What
that
was
was
a
shopping
list
for
burglars,
and
there
was
a
newspaper
in
a
city
in
this
state
that
was
literally
putting
that
online
and
anybody
out
there
that
wanted
to
know
exactly
which
homes
had
guns
and
which
ones
did
not
could
go
on
a
public
publicly
accessible
database.
That
is
simply
none
of
anybody
else's
business,
whether
you
own
a
firearm
or
not.
It's
a
second
amendment
right
to
possess
that
firearm
and
it's
none
of
this
information
should
ever
be
public.
So
thank
you.
E
This
is
absolutely
constitutional
right
that
we
should
preserve
and
in
protecting
this
private
information,
it
protects
folks
from
having
that
information
out
there
to
be
utilized
not
only
potentially
for
gun
confiscation,
but
for
other
nefarious
means
it's
simply
private
information.
That's
none
of
anybody
else's
business.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill,
and
I
not
only
do
I
hope,
folks
support
it.
I
hope
folks
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
would
protect
privacy
and
maybe
even
sign
on
to
this
bill.
Thank
you.
A
G
N
Germanterry,
thank
you.
If
that
federal,
the
firearm
licensing
and
registration
act
becomes
law
which,
as
it's
written,
you
have
three
months
if
it
passes,
you
have
three
months
to
turn
in
all
your
firearm
information
to
the
feds.
If
that
becomes
law-
and
you
are
a
personnel
of
this
state
and
you
give
that
information-
yes,
would
be
a
class
a
misdemeanor.
N
Chairman,
terry,
you
could
ask
legal
services
to
answer
that
question,
but
the
this
says
that
they
will
not
give
that
information
to
them
and
we
anti-commandeering
doctrine
says
that
our
personnel
will
not,
which
we've
already
passed
public
chapter
380,
so
that
our
personnel
will
not
or
our
funds
will
not
be
used.
So
I
would
say
that
we
have
done
that
previously.
N
Chairman
terry
you're
recognized,
I'm
not
sure.
I
understand
your
question.
This
says
that
if
personnel
of
the
state
gives
that
information-
and
there
are
exclusions
in
here-
whether
it's
for
a
post
commission
or
for
an
ffl-
so
there
are
exclusions
in
here,
but
this
says
that
it
would
be
a
misdemeanor
for
that
personnel
to
give
that
information
to
the
feds
representative.
G
G
N
H
A
A
A
A
N
Thank
you,
chairman
committee.
This
issue
was
brought
to
me
by
a
constituent
and
it's
truly
a
concept.
In
self-governance,
there
was
a
mother
whose
daughter
rolled
her
vehicle
in
a
fatal
car
accident.
One
evening
pictures
were
taken
at
the
scene.
The
mother
became
aware
of
the
pictures
and
inquired
about
their
potential
use,
including
for
training
purposes,
and
she
realized
that
as
a
parent
and
as
a
victim,
she
did
not
have
parental
rights
to
keep
those
graphic
photos
of
her
daughter
confidential.
F
A
H
Thank
you.
I
forgive
me
for
being
so
chatty.
I'm
I'm
wondering
about
the
the
description
description
does
talk
about
motor
vehicle
accidents.
I
know
the
most
recent
incident
in
california,
where
we
lost
kobe
bryant.
There
were
photographs
of
his
helicopter
crash,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
future
times,
we
can
include
other
incidents
in
this
particular
legislation,
because
I
know
that
california
had
to
have
to
address
that
particular
issue.
Would
this
fall
in
in
line
with
this
piece
of
legislation?
N
H
Thank
you
and
I
see
where
it
has
been
passed
in
the
it's
been
sent
over.
It's
been
passed.
The
senate
had
been
sent
over
to
us,
so
I
don't
want
to
stop
progress
on
that,
but
just
for
your
consideration,
if,
if
if
we
could
find
some
wording,
if
you'd
be,
if
you'd
entertain
that
amendment
this
year
or
future
years,
I'm
not
going
to
stop
the
progress,
but
just
that
consideration
going
forward
that
that
may
be
something
that
this
house
could
entertain
and
send
to
the
senate
at
some
point
in
time.
Thank
you
chairman.
A
B
Okay,
you
might
have
addressed
this.
Thank
you
chairman
in
the
police
department,
we
have
40
hour
in
services.
Every
year,
retraining
you
have
accident
investigation
classes
that
go
on.
Did
you
say
that
those
classes
were
exempted
from
this
or
or
they
cannot
use
these
photographs
even
in
training
in
in
that
type
of
setting.
N
Thank
you,
and
that
was
that
was
the
concern
of
this
parent.
That
brought
this
legislation
is
that
these
photographs
would
have
been
used,
could
could
potentially
have
been
used.
They
were
not,
but
they
could
have
potentially
been
used
in
a
training
purpose
without
the
mother's
consent,
and
so
that's
what
they're
trying
to
get
at
with
this
is
that,
if
you're
going
to
use
very
graphic
photos
of
a
child
of
a
minor
that
they
at
least
have
the
parents
consent
for
that,
and
and
and
to
that
point
I
think
she
would
have
consented.
A
Okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
Any
further
questions
for
the
sponsor
of
the
amendment.
Seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
4243
to
house
bill.
1312,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
you
adopt.
Members
were
on
the
bill
as
amended.
The
amendment
did
make
the
bill
seeing
no
further
questions,
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1312
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
members.
I
don't
mean
to
give
myself
any
special
placement,
but
I
do
have
a
bill.
No
at
the
end
of
the
calendar,
we
are
running
short
on
time
today.
I'm
gonna
pass
the
gavel
down
to
our
vice
chairman,
because
we
do
have
someone
here
to
testify
on
that
bill
and
I
they
traveled
some
distance
and
I
don't
want
them
to
go
away
without
being
able
to
testify
so.
L
A
Tennessee
consistently
ranks
either
number
one
or
near
the
top
of
the
pack
as
having
the
best
human
trafficking
laws
in
the
country,
but
house
bill
1416
continues
in
our
efforts
to
keep
victims
safe
and
punish
criminals
to
the
fullest
extent
of
the
law.
This
bill
will
make
three
substantial
changes.
The
way
our
human
trafficking
penalties
currently
function.
First,
the
amendment
will
punish
the
trafficking
of
any
minor
for
a
commercial
sex
act,
not
just
a
child
under
the
age
of
15
as
a
class,
a
felony.
A
Second,
the
amendment
will
require
that
anyone
committing
a
human
trafficking
offense
to
serve
at
least
85
percent
of
their
sentence
before
release
and
third,
the
amendment
will
create
the
new
offense
of
aggravated
human
trafficking.
Anyone
who
commits
a
human
trafficking
offense
against
a
child
under
the
age
of
13
will
have
no
release
eligibility
until
they
serve
100
percent
of
the
sentence
imposed
and
will
automatically
qualify
for
a
sentence
range
enhancement
with
that.
O
You,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee,
it
is
ilanka,
thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
be
in
front
of
you
today.
I'm
deeply
honored
and
with
a
grateful
heart.
My
name
is
ilan
kaden,
I'm
a
mom
of
two
and
a
third
one
on
the
way
I
live
in
franklin
and
I've
been
a
member
of
our
beautiful
tennessee
for
about
20
years.
For
five
years
of
my
life
from
age,
12
to
17,
I
was
unfortunately
sex
trafficked.
O
O
My
husband,
who's,
very
brave,
found
this
man
tracked
him
down
back
in
south
africa.
We
went
and
we
filed
charges.
However,
in
2012
there
weren't
any
sex
trafficking
laws
on
the
books
to
be
able
to
do
this
with
borrowing
from
the
penal
code.
So
my
case
could
not
go
anywhere
right
now,
I'm
a
mom,
I'm
concerned
citizen
of
tennessee,
and
I
do
not
want
what
happened
in
south
africa
or
what
has
happened
in
other
states
in
our
country
to
happen
here.
I
want
my
children
to
be
protected.
O
I
want
to
make
a
deep
statement
that
do
not
come
to
tennessee
and
traffic,
our
children
or
our
grandchildren,
or
my
neighbor's
kids.
I
think
this
bill
is
extremely
important.
I
urge
you
to
vote
to
pass
this
today
because
I've
lived
it.
I
am
fortunately
part
of
the
one
percent
of
survivors
who
can
have
gone
on
to
have
a
family
and
a
normal
life,
because
I've
had
the
family
support,
but
for
more
than
80
percent
of
victims.
O
K
May
I
just
say
that
it's
it's
never
easy
to
do
what
you're
doing
what
you
have
done,
but
it's
commended
that
you
have
the
strength
and
support
to
do
this,
because
I
believe
that
it
does
bring
awareness
to
the
situation
that
this
this
happens
and
I
don't
think
it's
got
the
attention
that
it's
needed.
So
it's
something
very
brave
on
your
part,
and
I
want
to
commend
you
for
doing
that.
So
do
we
have
any
questions
chairman
curcio,
you're,
recognized.
A
A
So
thank
you
very
much
for
taking
time
out
of
your
life
and
out
of
your
day
to
come
down
here
and
advocate
on
an
issue
that
obviously
you're,
very
passionate
about
and
and
unfortunately
know
too
much
about,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
very
much
and-
and
I
wish
I
wish
more
tennesseans
would
would
be
more
involved
in
the
legislative
process
and
and
and
and
come
down
here
and
speak
their
mind.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
what
you
shared
with
us
today.
Thank
you.
K
B
A
G
A
G
G
K
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
think
I
understood
I
understand
the
spirit
of
the
question
you're
asking
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
spirit
in
which
it's
brought
you
and
I
had
a
an
exchange
once
on
the
house
floor
about
whether
or
not
retroactive
bills
are
constitutional,
and
so
I
think,
unfortunately,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
to
make
a
a
bill
retroactive,
but
we're
certainly
doing
what
we
can.
You
know
from
now
moving
forward.
A
I
will
also
mention
this
doesn't
help
the
exact
issue
that
you
have,
but
we
passed
a
statute
of
limitations
bill
a
couple
of
years
ago,
which
would
extend
the
time
at
which
you
could
move
forward.
You
know
with
with
a
with
a
case
now
again
it
doesn't
mean
that
this
penalty
would
apply
because
it
would
be
for
new.
You
know
new
offenses
that
occurred
on
or
after
the
enactment
of
this
of
this
legislation,
but
I
I
certainly
understand
the
spirit
of
what
you're
doing,
and
I
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
K
A
A
B
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment.
Question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
5396
to
house
bill.
1433,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt
members.
We
are
on
the
bill
as
amended
chairman
holsey.
Did
you
did
you
have
a
question.
A
B
Are
you
recognized,
I
did
it
pointing
a
gun
or
shooting
a
gun
at
somebody
is
already
a
a
classy
felony.
Are
you
just
like
shooting
out
the
air
or
no?
This
is
actually
when
you're
like
this
came
from
like
traffic
safety
on
the
highway
as
far
as
shooting
a
gun
at
another
vehicle,
it
is
currently
considered
class
c,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
is
that
correct.
A
E
Chairman
and
to
the
member
sponsoring
the
bill,
thank
you
for
sponsoring
this.
There
are
many
situations
both
in
the
rural
areas
where
I
live,
and
in
some
of
the
more
urban
areas
where
there
are,
unfortunately
individuals
that
will
grossly
misuse
their
firearm
by
shooting
out
of
a
moving
vehicle,
sometimes
at
a
sign,
sometimes
at
a
house
sometimes
just
shooting
it,
and,
as
you
know,
as
an
expert
marksman,
I
mean
that
is
extraordinarily
dangerous
and
unbeknownst
to
them
many
times
they
are
endangering
individuals
in
the
community
they
may
not
be
intending
to.
E
So
it's
not
the
aggravated
assault,
you've
described,
but
every
time
you
fire
a
bullet
you
own
the
destination
of
that
bullet,
and
you
need
to
be
very
very
careful
about
that.
So
I
think
increasing
that
penalty
is
a
very
good
idea.
No
one
should
engage
in
that
type
of
activity
because
many
times
they're
not
checking
their
background
they're
not
checking
to
see
whether
or
not
there's
anybody
in
the
area
they're
not
checking
to
see.
E
A
Thank
you,
leader,
lambert,
any
further
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
are
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1433
as
amended
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
as
opposed
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
up
we
have
chairman
todd.
If
he's
in
the
room,
he
is.
A
F
What
this
does
is
what
it
writes,
what
I
consider
a
wrong
in
our
code
right
now
for
many
many
years
since
the
late
1800s
we
have
had
on
our
books,
an
offense
that
I
believe
is
taking
away
liberties
from
our
citizens,
as
all
of
you
have
taken.
A
note,
just
like
myself
would
concur
that
our
defense
of
liberties
is
primary
in
our
constitution,
both
state
and
federal
constitution.
F
Our
state
many
years
ago,
infringed
on
that
right
by
stating
that
it
is
an
offense
to
carry
a
club
or
firearm
in
this
state,
and
we
have
a
permit
system
that
allows
you
a
defense,
still
an
offense,
but
it
allows
you
a
defense
only
from
prosecution
and
what
we
passed
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
that
would
allow
more
people
to
carry
without
a
permit
does
the
same
thing.
It
just
offers
a
defense,
so
you
could
still
be
arrested
with
a
permit.
F
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
4096
to
house
bill
1388,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt
we're
now
on
the
bill
as
amended,
the
amendment
made
the
bill
any
further
questions,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1388
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
That
was
opposed,
sir.
You
head
to
finance.
If
you
wish
to
be
recorded
as
a
no,
please
do
so
with
the
clerk
members.