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House Criminal Justice Subcommittee - February 9, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
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A
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D
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B
A
Well,
members,
we
have
a
few
items
to
take
care
of
before
we
jump
into
this
calendar
item
number
three
house
bill
1911
by
representative
smith,
without
objection
will
be
rolled.
One
week
item
number
four
house
bill
1691
by
representative
campbell
without
objection
will
be
rolled
one
week
and
item
number
six
house
bill
1830
by
representative
lamar
without
objection
will
be
rolled.
One
week
brings
us
to
item
number
one
house
bill
1833
by
representative
hall.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
colleagues
house
bill.
1833
is
very
simple.
By
design
it's
regarding
the
disposal
of
car
tires
and
unauthorized
areas.
Recently,
the
state
of
georgia
has
strengthened
its
penalties
on
the
disposal
of
car.
Tires,
therefore,
has
funneled
their
car
tires
and
unauthorized
dumping
material
in
our
county,
which
is
bradley
county.
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E
The
cemeteries
are
veteran
cemeteries.
It's
been
a
just
a
total
disgrace
and
they've
littered
our
landscape
and
the
in.
What
I
think
is
the
most
beautiful
part
of
the
state.
This
house
bill
1833,
is
very
simple
by
design.
If
you
in
historically,
if
you
dump
car
tires,
it's
nothing
more
than
a
than
a
littering
charge.
E
F
Thank
you,
and,
and
thank
you
representative
hall,
for
bringing
this
in
in
davidson
county.
What
they
do
is
they
dump
them
on
the
right
ways
of
so
that
tdot
has
to
clean
them
up,
and
then
it
falls
back
on
us,
the
taxpayers
and
it's
unsightly
and
it's
it's
a
health
hazard,
and
I
just
really
really
appreciate
you
bringing
this.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
G
Griffey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representative
for
bringing
this
bill.
My
question
is
this:
is
this
a
problem
of
the
penalties
not
being
severe
enough,
or
is
this
a
an
issue
that
is
just
very
hard
to
detect
and
prosecute.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
griffey,
I
think
house
bill
33
is
going
to
send
a
strong
message
is
that
east
tennessee
is
not
the
dumping
ground
for
their
trash
and
that
we
take
these
these
issues
very
serious
and,
and
they
will
be
addressed
if,
if
called
and
prosecuted
to
the
fullest
extent
of
the
law.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
that.
But
what
just
can
a
little
bit
of
concern
is
bumping
this
up
to
a
felony,
because
it
seems
I
just
kind
of
wonder
if
we
could
actually
catch
the
perpetrators
doing
this.
You
know
if
someone's
you
know
made
a
mistake,
you
know
needs
to
be
put
on
probation
pay.
A
fine
clean
up
the
mess
is
one
thing:
if
they
continue
to
do
it,
you
know
with
the
class
a
misdemeanor
as
it
currently
is.
G
G
You
would
think
that
would
get
people's
attention
and
I
just
kind
of
wonder
if
it's
problematic
trying
to
catch
the
people
doing
it
and
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
smarter
way
to
to
be
able
to
help
our
law
enforcement
to
detect
and
prosecute
these
individuals,
and
maybe
it's
a
problem
with
some
of
the
prosecutions
that
you
know
aggravated
littering's,
not
big
on
their
priority
list
when
they've
got
aggravated
rapes
and
homicides
and
burglaries
going
on.
So
I
just
throw
that
out
there
for
consideration.
E
A
Well,
thank
you
and
representative.
I
I
just
for
clarification
purposes
the
language
I
believe,
unless
we're
looking
at
something
different
said
three
tires
or
less
would
be
a
misdemeanor
four
or
more
would
be
a
felony
charge.
There.
A
Should
be
at
the
bottom
of
section,
one
two
subsection
b
down
at
the
bottom:
there.
A
A
You,
sir,
yes,
sir.
Thank
you
chairman
howell.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representative
hall
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
share
a
county
with
you
and
have
firsthand
experience
and
worked
on
this
situation
with
you
and
local
law
enforcement,
civic
leaders,
city
and
county
leaders,
and
it's
made
headline
news
in
our
local
newspaper
numerous
times
over
the
last
four
or
five
months.
It's
an
ongoing
problem
and
the
perpetrators
are
blatant.
H
When
I
say
blatant,
we
found
near
our
industrial
park
off
of
apd-40
about
200
acres
of
privately
owned
land
set
for
development.
H
I
think
it
was
in
the
thousands.
Yes,
the
tires
that
were
there
now.
This
was
fenced
property
with
a
locked
gate
on
it.
They
put
up
a
camera.
The
owner
did
put
a
lock
on
the
gate.
The
perpetrators
brought
in
a
shotgun
shot,
the
lock
off,
stole
the
camera
and
put
their
own
lock
on
it.
Now
this
is
egregious
and
somehow
we
need
to
send
a
message
and
it's.
This
is
not
a
one-time
incident.
H
So
we
are
15
20
miles
from
the
georgia
line
and
they're
getting
they're,
bringing
in
truckloads
of
hundreds
of
tires
at
a
time
and
they
get
two
or
three
dollars
per
tire,
so
they're
making
a
good
living
doing
this
and
they
have
no
overhead
because
they're
using
other
people's
property
to
dump
their
trash.
So
I
strongly
support
this
bill
and
I
urge
the
committee
to
do
so.
Also,
thank
you.
A
A
E
Yes,
yes,
sir,
let
me
just
go
ahead.
That's
my
disclaimer
right.
There
representative,
you
have
an
amendment.
I
do
have
an
amendment,
sir.
A
It's
code
is
one
two,
eight
five
six,
you
recognized
on
the
amendment.
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E
E
E
A
G
Chairman
and
thank
you
chairman
farmer,
I
just
want
to
comment.
I
think
this
is
a
great
bill.
I
wish
I'd
have
thought
of
it
and
I'm
co-signing
and
I
believe
everybody
on
this
committee
is
probably
going
to
co-sign
on
this
bill.
It's
a
great
bill.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it.
E
E
If
we
wanted
to
address
it
and
place
a
formula
in
place
almost
like
a
divorce
settlement
agreement,
then
we
could
do
so,
but
I
wanted
to
take
the
shackles
off
of
the
drug
off
the
judge
and
the
d.a
to
allow
them
to
address
this
issue
and
and
so
that
the
the
the
the
children
that
has
experienced
a
dramatic
event
would
could
get
some
monetary
compensation
until
they
turned
the
age
of
18..
F
Thank
you
and
I'm
I
just
signed
on
to
the
bill.
I
think
it's
a
good
bill,
but
it
in
in
when
my
colleague
from
shelby
county
was
asking
the
question
it
made
me
think,
and
we
mainly
got
to
legal
on
this,
but
this
is
also
a
cause
for
damages
in
a
civil
suit.
So
this
would
add
it
on
to
the
criminal
criminal
penalties.
Are
we
double
is?
Is
there
going
to
be
a
conflict
of
law
here?
That's
that's
my
question.
A
B
Michelle
fogerty
legal
services,
the
bill
requires
the
court
to
order
the
defendant
to
pay
restitution
in
the
form
of
child
maintenance.
The
language
of
the
bill
also
provides
that
if
the
surviving
parent
brings
a
civil
action
against
the
defendant
prior
to
sentencing,
then
no
maintenance
shall
be
ordered
under
this
section.
If
the
parent,
if
the
court
orders
the
child,
the
right
restitution
in
the
form
of
child
maintenance
and
then
a
parent
brings
a
civil
action,
then
any
judgment
must
be
offset
by
the
amount
of
the
restitution
order.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Just
briefly,
you
know
we
might
consider
adding
a
provision
this
bill.
That
says
the
judge
should
consider
the
child
support
maintenance
guidelines
that
they
are.
We
already
have
in
place
there's
a
formula
they
go
through
and
that
might
give
some
clarity,
because
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
at
least
put
these
children
and
some
kind
of
financial
assistance
that
would
not
have
been
in
had
it
not
been
for
the
drunk
driver
that
killed
their
parents.
So
I
just
submit
that
for
your
consideration.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
bill
I
just
signed
on
as
well.
My
question
is:
what
are
the
consequences
if
they
do
not
pay
or
is
it
jail
time?
Is
it
something
along
the
forms
of
like
a
divorce
where
they're
garnishing
their
wages.
A
B
Michelle
fogerty
legal
services:
this
is
a
restitution
order
and
under
40
35
304,
a
restitution
order
can
be
converted
to
a
civil
judgment
once
the
defendant's
term
of
probation
ends,
so
I
believe
it
would
fall
under
that
it
would.
The
person
could
convert
it
to
a
civil
judgment
and
pursue
collection.
That
way.
A
Give
me
other
questions:
representative,
sexton,
okay,
we'll
go
back
into
session,
any
other
questions
for
our
sponsor,
sending
seeing
none
any
objection
to
the
question
saying
no
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
1834
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
those
opposed
the
eyes
prevail.
A
A
K
Sorry,
mr
chairman,
yes,
that
is
correct.
Okay,
you.
K
So
basically,
what
this
bill-
and
the
amendment
does
is,
is
a
truth
and
sentencing
bill
regarded
specifically
toward
aggravated
assault
and
aggravated
robbery
and
mimic.
Pretty
much
makes
the
bill
and
we
can
go
ahead
and
remove.
My
motion
on
the
amendment.
A
K
You,
mr
chairman
committee,
so
as
I
said,
this
is
a
truth
and
sentencing
bill
aimed
at
aggravated
assault
and
aggravated
robbery
back
home
and
I
believe,
across
the
state.
We
have
basically
a
revolving
door
with
people
going
through
our
criminal
justice
system
with
a
lot
of
people,
committing
aggravated
assaults
and
aggravated
robberies
and
what's
happening
is
they
are
either
being
put
on
probation
or
they
are
being
sentenced
to
very
short
amounts
of
times
and
therefore
coming
back
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system
and
committing
even
more
heinous
crimes
such
as
murder,
rape,
etc.
K
And
what
this
bill
seeks
to
do
is
if
you
commit
those
crimes
and
if
you
are
convicted,
you
are
required
to
spend
the
full
amount
in
prison,
and
it
is
my
hope
that
once
we
get
a
little
bit
better
grasp
on
this
those
individuals,
since
they
will
be
incarcerated
for
those
aggravated
assaults
and
aggravated
robberies,
the
overall
crime
rate
will
go
down.
And
with
that
I
welcome
any
questions
of
the
committee.
A
Okay
representative,
for
clarification
purposes,
these
make
it
makes
them
85
instead
of
100.
Is
that.
K
A
Thank
you,
representative
moody.
You
have
a
question
for
legal.
B
D
Just
a
clarification
on
this
I
mean
it
is
100
sentence,
but
15
is
a
release,
eligibility
criteria
that
is
currently
built
into
the
statute.
That
should
be
changed
and
we'll
potentially
talk
more
about
that
later
in
the
meeting,
but
under
current
law.
I
think
you
have
to
have
that
pretty
much
that
15,
but
it
is
release
eligibility
and
earlier
release
than
100.
Is
that
accurate?
Yes,
sir?
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
sir.
I
need
for
leave
linda
lambert
to
say
that
again.
D
A
D
I
only
wanted
to
share
there.
There
was
another
bill
on
the
calendar
today
and
I'd
gotten
a
couple
of
questions
inside
conversation
on
whether
or
not
this
bill
and
the
bill
that
I'm
carrying
later
on,
which
is
a
truth
and
sentencing
bill
that
involves
the
entire
sentencing
code,
whether
they
would
kind
of
coexist,
and
the
answer
is
yes.
This
handles
a
couple
of
crimes
under
the
kind
of
the
current
structure.
D
It
does
not
rewrite
the
current
structure,
so
it
lives
within
kind
of
the
realm
that
we
have,
and
I
I
genuinely
think
will
make
tennessee
a
safer
place
and
certainly
support
your
bill.
It's
it's.
What
we've
done
kind
of
over
the
last
few
decades
is
kind
of
just
take
small
bites
at
this
to
try
to
improve
on
our
criminal
justice
system.
So
I
appreciate
the
bill
and
appreciate
you
bringing
it.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
agree
with
it
there's
a
growing
frustration,
aggravation
dissatisfaction
with
our
current
sentencing
formula
because
especially
for
victims,
because
no
one
really
knows
when
how
much
time
a
defendant
is
going
to
have
to
serve.
I
think
judges
are
aggravated.
I
think
da's
are
aggravated.
G
I
think
even
defendants
that
are
convicted
are
aggravated
because
they
don't
really
know
exactly
how
long
they're
going
to
serve
for
their
get
out.
So
maybe
it's
time
that
we
have
some
truth
and
sentencing
in
tennessee
and
maybe
we'll
get
to
hear
about
that
today.
So
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
representative,
on
behalf
of
victims,
I
want
to
thank
you.
They
often
feel
neglected,
and
this
is
a
great
step.
I
look
forward
to
supporting
your
bill
and
yours
too,
leader,
lambert.
A
A
L
L
So
for
years,
for
years,
this
body
has
worked
to
improve
conditions
for
animals,
especially
our
dogs.
This
bill
is
a
very
simple
and
straightforward
legislation.
It
defines
what
shelter
is,
and
what
collars
and
harnesses
are.
It
requires
that
an
outside
dog
chains
be
long
enough
to
keep
them
from
sitting
in
their
bodily
fluids
and
fecal
matter.
It
provides
reasonable
covering
for
them
during
some
of
the
worst
weather
conditions
and
ensures
that
they
have
access
to
drinkable
water.
L
I
grew
up
in
a
home
where
we
had
an
outside
animal
and,
honestly
until
I
was
in
college,
I
never
saw
an
indoor
animal,
but
we
took
care
of
our
dogs.
This
bill
does
not
aim
to
micromanage
our
dog
on
dog
owners,
but
to
implement
safe
protective
practices
for
our
dogs
and
those
around
it.
L
The
goal
here
is
to
truly
make
sure
that
we
have
a
clear
and
reasonable
standards
for
our
outside
dogs
to
still
be
our
watchful
eye,
yet
still
have
the
ability
to
move
out
of
their
urine
drink
some
water
and
do
as
they
wish
without
being
beat
up
by
lightning
and
thunder.
I
also
have
someone
here
for
testimony
from
our
director
of
maury
county
columbia,
animal
services,
mr
jack
cooper,
so
chairman,
I
would
like
to
go
out
a
session
for
you.
D
Yes,
on
the
amendment,
I
have
some
actually
some
logistical
questions
of
the
amendment
before
we
get
into
testimony.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
want
to
make
sure
the
amendment
actually
does
what
you
intend
for
to
do.
My
notes
on
this
indicated
that
your
original
bill
requires
that
the
owner
provide
shave
and
direct
sunlight
for
an
animal
that
is
tethered
in.
Your
amendment
appears
to
take
that
out.
L
So
the
intention
was
to
take
that
out
because
it
was
already
addressed
in
the
the
adequate
shelter
piece
of
it
in
letter,
a
that
provides
the
dog
protection
from
inclement
weather
and
with
dimensions
and
tells
about
the
adequate
shelter.
So
it
did
take
that
out,
because
the
adequate
shelter
would
be
provided.
D
I
think
you've
just
weakened
your
bill
considerably,
and
I
think
that
is
a
mistake.
In
my
humble
opinion,
it
also
you
remove
the
prohibition
of
use
of
change
to
restain
a
dog.
What
was
the
purpose
of
that
in
the
amendment?
Oh.
L
D
L
D
L
A
potable
water
would
be
drinkable,
drinkable
water
that
is
sustainable
and
clean
water.
They
can
utilize
during
a
period
of
time
of
at
least
six
to
seven
hours
whenever
an
individual
is
gone
from
the
space.
So
if
a
person
who
works
during
the
day
is
gone
from
the
home
at
least
they're
still
able
to
access
clean,
drinkable
water
representative.
D
Would
it
surprise
you
that,
while
that
is
a
very
good
definition
of
potable
water,
it
is
absolutely
nowhere
in
the
language
of
this
bill?
Okay,
so
I've
not
heard
from
you
on
this
bill
and
it's
perfectly
fine,
but
I
care
deeply
about
this
issue
and
actually
did
this
work.
This
bill
has
some
very
significant
problems,
so
I
want
to
give
you
a
heads
up
up
at
the
very
beginning.
D
D
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
suggesting
that
perhaps
we
can
go
ahead
and
hear
the
testimony
and
then
we
can
we
being
the
the
sponsor
and
leader
can
get
together
on
the
the
amendment
language
and
we'll
have
that
ready
for
next
time.
G
G
I
know
the
sponsor
does
too
so
I'd
like
to
hear
the
testimony
today
and
then
maybe
you
might
be
willing
to
roll
the
bill
a
week
or
two
and
let's
get
the
amendment,
language,
cleaned
up
and
stuff
and
increase
the
penalties,
and
let's
come
back
and
let's
pass
this
thing.
So.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
sponsor.
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor
we,
we
will
go
out
of
session
while
we're
on
the
amendment
to
hear
from
our
guests.
But
are
there
any
other
questions
before
we
do
so
all
right?
Without
objection?
We're
going
to
go
out
of
session
we're
going
to
hear
from
jack
cooper,
murray,
county
columbia,
animal
services,
sir,
you
can
stand
there,
you
can
see
it
there's
a
little
button
there
you
push
the
microphone
if
you
would
identify
yourself
to
the
committee
for
the
record
and
then
you'll
have
four
minutes
for
testimony.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
our
our
guest
representative,
griffey.
G
G
The
problem
is
with
individuals
that
own
multiple
animals
and
there's
multiple
abuse
cases,
and
they
do
it
as
a
business.
That's
all
they
do
it
for
the
money.
They
don't
care,
they
don't
take
responsibility
for
the
animals
and
I
hope
that
we
will
pass
my
bill
if
we
need
to
amend
it
or
fix
it.
So,
if
there's
multiple
animals
involved,
it's
a
serious
abuse
case.
We
jack
that
up
to
a
felony.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
being
here.
If.
C
I
can
I'd
just
like
to
add
that,
as
an
enforcement
officer
of
these
specific
tennessee
codes
and
in
many
counties,
we
only
have
to
rely
on
the
tennessee
codes.
We
don't
necessarily
have
an
ordinance,
it's
very
difficult
when
the
definition
of
shelter
is
very
vague
and
when
tethering
only
becomes
problematic
when
it
results
in
serious
bodily
injury
or
death.
C
You
know
sent
them
to
vanderbilt
where
they've
been
attacked
by
tethered
dogs
and
the
sheltering
provision
as
well
is
very
difficult.
This
is
something
we're
dealing
with
every
night
in
columbia
right
now
receiving
phone
calls
from
citizens
about
dogs
that
are
do
not
have
adequate
shelter
because
it
just
says
adequate
shelter,
well,
adequate
shelter
in
johnson
city
might
not
be
what
adequate
shelter
is
in
memphis
or
columbia,
or
chattanooga
or
nashville,
and
so
we
could
have
better
specificity
in
regard
to
adequate
shelter.
D
D
It's
a
very
difficult
job
and
we
all
appreciate
every
day
what
you're
doing
out
there,
because
you
know
quite
frankly,
there's
a
lot
of
folks,
don't
think
about
it,
but
there's
an
enormous
number
of
unwanted
animals.
There's
animals
that,
if
you
didn't
have
folks
doing
your
job,
our
neighborhoods
look
a
whole
lot
different.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
Representative
harris
you're
recognized
on
the
amendment
you're.
L
Still
on
the
amendment,
thank
you
chairman.
So
what
I'm
looking
at
doing
is.
First,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
recognize
the
organizations
and
supporters
of
this
legislation
that
have
also
come
to
this
session
as
well
for
this
committee
hearing
and
that's
the
nashville
human,
humane
association,
the
new
leash
on
life,
maury,
county
animal
services
and
citizens
with
dogs,
as
well
as
a
few
of
our
citizens
who
also
own
dogs,
are
also
here
in
prison
for
this.
L
A
E
D
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
this
bill
is
very
straightforward.
It
makes
assaulting
an
officer
and
e
felony.
It
does
require
that
there
be
actual
bodily
injury,
there's
a
vast
kind
of
grading
on
assault,
but
several
surrounding
states
do
this
to
protect
our
police
officers
while
they're
protecting
us.
It's
one
thing
to
resist,
arrest
or
pull
away
from
an
officer
or
something
like
that.
D
A
Thank
you
very
much
questions
for
the
sponsor
representative
beck.
F
D
Yes,
sir,
it
is,
it
is
a
simple
misdemeanor,
just
as
if
two
folks
got
in
a
bar
fight
with
each
other
and
didn't
cause
any
serious
bodily
injury.
It
makes
no
distinction
in
the
statute
whatsoever.
If
it's
a
person
that's
been
assaulted,
that
is
a
law
enforcement
officer
or
just
an
average
everyday
citizen.
G
D
There
is
virtually
always
a
fiscal
note
on
anything
we
do
in
the
criminal
justice
realm.
Y'all
have
heard
me
say
for
years
that
if
we,
if
you
have
a
criminal
justice
bill,
that
does
not
have
a
fiscal
note,
you
are
probably
not
accomplishing
much.
There
is
additional
incarceration
on
this
and
it
will
cost
the
state
of
tennessee
and
our
taxpayers
money.
But
I
will
say
it
is
worth
every
penny
to
protect
our
law
enforcement
officers.
G
E
A
D
D
And
mr
chairman,
there
is
an
amendment
to
this
amendment,
that's
being
handed
out
to
the
committee
now
that
caught
just
really
a
small
drafting
error
and
what
is
a
very,
very
large
bill.
That's
not
surprising.
A
You
have
a
motion
and
second
to
accept
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
no
suppose
we
we
will
accept,
and
now
we
are,
if
you
want
to
speak
on
this
before
we
attempt
to
put
it
on
to
the
other
amendment,
go
ahead.
D
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
this
amendment
coded
013406
that
just
adds
back
in
especially
aggravated
burglary,
is
a
class
b
felony,
the
penalties
they're
in
and
the
language
that
just
had
not
gotten
caught
in
the
rest
of
it.
So
that's
what
that
amendment
does.
A
To
get
us
in
the
proper
posture,
we've
got
to
take
up
the
first
amendment,
which
was
one
two:
zero
five
eight
and
adopt
that
one
before
we
can
adopt
one
three:
four,
oh
six,
so
questions
been
with
withdrawn
on
that
one,
so
we
were
recognized
on
one
two:
zero,
five,
eight!
So
we'll
go
back
to
that
amendment.
If
you
have
any
additional
comments
on
that.
A
A
D
So
it's
probably
for
the
best
given
what
I'm
about
to
share
so
for
all
of
y'all
that
have
served
me
for
the
last
10
years,
chairman
farmer
and
hardaway,
and
several
others
moody
I
mean
you
y'all
have
heard
me
talk
about
truth
and
sentencing.
You've
heard
me
talk
about
the
criminal
justice
system
and
how
bad
our
sentencing
system
is
broken.
D
Yeah
I've
talked
to
everybody
on
this
committee
about
it
until
years
have
probably
bled
and
elizabeth
sonja
with
legal
and
tom
tagg
before
that
has
literally
given
hundreds
of
their
hours
of
work
to
help
try
to
come
up
with
something
better.
I
want
to
show
you
all
something
I'm
trying
to
get
emotional
about
this.
D
This
picture
stays
at
my
desk.
It
has,
since
her
daddy,
killed
her
in
an
aggravated
vehicular
homicide.
He
had
four
prior
duis
was
driving
a
revoked
license
and
alexis
had
the
gall
to
stay
after
school
for
an
educational
program.
She
was
nine
loved
learning,
possibly
could
be
wrong
with
that,
but
her
daddy
already
got
into
the
beers
pretty
heavy
that
day
and
it
was
her
stepdaddy,
but
the
only
daddy
she
ever
knew
and
when
she
missed
the
bus
and
didn't
come
home,
he
got
a
call
that
she
didn't
come
home
on
time.
D
D
They
found
his
car
crashed
into
a
fella's
front
yard,
with
her
pinned
bleeding
and
dying
and
her
stepdaddy
the
moment
he
saw.
Somebody
else
took
off
running
because
that
car
was
full
of
beer
cans
and
all
he
did
was
ride
around
getting
drunk
with
her
in
the
car
and
when
they
crashed
as
she
died.
She
died,
surrounded
by
strangers.
D
D
D
D
I
know
that's
hard,
given
the
story
that
I
just
shared
with
you,
but
he's
sitting
in
prison
with
no
particular
pathway
on
when
he's
going
to
get
out
no
particular
programming
on
when
it
should
start
and
when
it
should
end.
We
talk
about
every
year,
reducing
recidivism.
We
talk
about
every
year,
putting
programs
in
place
that
are
supposed
to
work,
to
make
our
communities
safer
and
make
sure
defendants
get
the
programs
they
need.
D
How
do
you
do
that
when
it's
just
a
rolling
end
date
that
you
have
no
idea
when
you're
going
to
come
up
for
parole?
You
know
when
you
come
up
for
it,
but
you
don't
know
when
you're
going
to
get
it.
So
you
get
rejected
this
time.
Then
you
get
rejected
again.
Well,
then
you
get
rejected
with
conditions
and
the
pro
board
is
doing
the
best
that
they
can
with
the
broken
system
that
we
gave
them
in
1989.
D
D
So
what
the
bill
that
you
have
before
you
strives
to
do,
and
I
hope
and
pray
that
we've
gotten
it
right
is
to
reset
all
of
those
sentences
and
on
paper.
Yes,
they
will
be
reset
down
because
that's
where
they
are.
If
you
look
at
the
fiscal
note
on
this
bill
and
again,
fiscal
review
has
done
a
phenomenal
job.
Working
with
tdoc
and
aoc
and
they've
spent
the
better
part
of
two
years
going
through
our
criminal
code
and
figuring
out.
D
How
long
do
people
actually
serve
and
again
it's
nothing
compared
to
what
we
claim
they
serve,
but
every
single
one
of
these
ranges
and
I'm
sure,
most
of
you
all
of
you-
have
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time.
With
this
fiscal
note,
every
one
of
these
ranges
will
go
down
to
where
they
are
supposed
to
be,
where
they're
actually
serving
now
and
they'll
get
a
hundred
percent
of
that
sentence.
D
So
if,
if
someone
goes
in
today
and
they
get
a
four-year
sentence,
they're
gonna
come
out.
Guess
when
four
years
from
right
now
and
if
they
misbehave
tdlc,
can
add
time
on
what
a
novel
concept.
Let's
assume
that
you're
going
to
behave
while
you're
in
prison
right
now,
we
assume
every
single
prisoner
goes
in
is
going
to
misbehave.
You
heard
representative
gillespie
earlier
talking
about
15
good
time.
D
We
assume
they're
going
to
misbehave
and
re-reward
them
if
by
some
miracle
they
get
into
a
program
or
do
you
know
some
sort
of
treatment
or
behave
themselves?
Why
don't
we
just
flip
prison
on
its
head
and
say
that
while
you're
doing
time,
you're
going
to
do
programs
you're
going
to
benefit
yourself
you're
going
to
better
yourself
while
you're
in
prison?
D
And
if
you
don't
do
that,
that's
an
indicator
to
us
that,
obviously
you
deserve
to
stay
longer,
not
get
out
quicker,
because
if
you
do
the
bare
minimum
in
prison
right
now-
and
just
don't
like
you
know,
assault
anybody
or
anything,
just
do
your
time.
You
just
get
out
eventually
that's
what
happens.
This
bill
would
say:
there's
a
year
of
supervised
release
on
the
end
of
every
single
sentence,
every
single
sentence,
if
you
don't
do
what
you're
supposed
to
in
you
can
add
time.
D
So
a
judge
would
say
it's
a
five-year
sentence
suspended
to
four
years
to
serve
at
a
hundred
percent
with
one
year
supervised
release.
We
keep
in
the
eight-year
prohibition
against
probation
beyond
that,
but
we
leave
it
all
in
the
judge's
hands
as
to
whether
or
not
somebody
does
probation
or
goes
off
to
serve
their
sentence,
but
if
they
serve
their
sentence
they
really
do
the
time.
D
We've
probably
all
said
at
some
point
in
our
lives.
If
you
do
the
crime
do
the
time
not
under
this
current
sentencing
structure,
but
under
this
new
one.
Absolutely
what
amazed
me
is
for
months,
I've
heard
from
victims,
families
saying
we
need
truth
and
sentencing,
we're
tired
of
going
to
the
parole
board,
we're
tired
of
having
to
go
down
and
have
these
wounds
ripped
back
open
that
have
just
started
to
heal.
D
I
don't
know
what
else
to
call
it
besides
truth
and
sentencing,
but
that's
just
a
tagline.
What
it
is,
is
it's
senate
certainty,
it's
transparency
and
it's
honesty.
So
I
know
that
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
that
speech
has
been
10
years
coming,
so
I
hope
it
was
a
decent
one.
So
I
stand
ready
for
questions.
Mr
chairman.
G
I
too
feel,
as
you
do,
that
this
bill
is
a
long
time
coming
in
tennessee,
again
back
in
89,
when
we
were
forced
to
to
come
up
with
our
current
sentencing
structure,
it
solved
a
problem
we
were
facing,
but
I
think
it
created
another
problem
on
the
back
end.
I've
had
about
at
least
eight
years
or
so
experience
in
the
federal
public
defender's
office
and
in
the
federal
system
there
is
no
parole
anymore.
G
G
There's
a
period
of
supervised
release
attached
to
every
sentence
once
the
person
completes
their
85
percent,
and
that
is
a
period
where
they
are
supervised
to
make
sure
they're
working
paying
restitution
fines
whatever
if
they
haven't
already
taken
care
of
those
getting
a
job,
getting
drug
rehabilitation
services
if
they
haven't
completed
those,
and
if
someone
does
not
comply
with
those,
the
supervised
release
period
can
be
revoked
and
they
can
be
sent
back
to
to
prison
to
to
serve
the
remainder
of
their
supervised
release
period.
G
I
feel
like
this.
The
actual
sentences,
the
time
served
on
tennessee's
criminal
offenses
are
way
too
low
and
but
there's
no
way
we're
going
to
get
the
public
to
support
and
recognize
that
the
problem
we're
facing
and
just
how
low
these
sentences
are.
Unless
we
pass
this
measure,
so
voters
can
see
just
how
little
of
time
people
are
serving
and
back
then
in
89.
I
don't
think
tennessee
had
the
financial
resources
to
devote
the
the
appropriate
amount,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
to
criminal
justice
and
incarceration
expenses
if
needed.
G
G
D
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
supporting
this
and
and
yes
to
virtually
everything.
You
just
said.
I
will
say
it
is
a
bit
of
a
hybrid
of
the
federal
system
because
they
quite
frankly,
have
too
many
mandatory
minimums
and
they
tie
the
hands
of
judges
a
bit
there,
as
you
know
better
than
I
do
this.
This
leaves
full
discretion
in
the
judge's
hands
and
we
don't
have
any
mandatory
minimums
or
anything
of
that
nature.
It's
the
judges
making
that
decision
that
are
elected
by
their
communities.
D
I
will
say
that
the
10-year
savings
the
the
way
we
figure
fiscal
notes.
Now
it
has
to
be
the
highest
fiscal
note
of
the
next
10
years.
So
that's
why
you
see
on
the
fiscal
note
that
it
increases
state
expenditures
by
10.9
million.
It
actually
saves
25
million
dollars
over
the
last
10
years.
So
that's
you
have
to
kind
of
dig
into
the
fiscal
note
to
get
there,
but
if
you
add
up
the
columns
of
like
cost
and
savings,
the
overall
impact
of
this
is
to
save
25
million.
D
Now,
that's
not
how
we
budget
they
budget
more,
like
that
on
the
federal
level
that
they
we
don't
do
that
we
budget
for
each
year
and
specifically
for
the
highest
of
the
next
10,
but
just
for
what
it's
worth
doing,
something
that's
more
fair
and
more
just
and
makes
more
sense
actually
saves
a
little
money
too.
I
mean
it's
not
a
huge
amount,
but
25
million
is
a
significant
amount
of
money.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
leader,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward
for
so
that
we
could
evaluate
it
and
I'm
a
lot
of
moving
parts
here.
First
of
all,
the
governor
has
platform
of
of
criminal
justice
reform.
How
does
this?
How
does
this
play
into
that
platform?.
D
This
does
not
affect
that
one
way
or
the
other.
It
does
complement
it.
In
my
opinion,
because
the
bills
we
passed
last
year
had
limits
on
probation,
it
had
limits
on
the
way
kind
of
the
mechanisms
of
the
criminal
justice
system
work.
This
plays
directly
into
that
I
mean
it
keeps
all
of
that
in
place,
but
it
just
resets
the
sentences
to
a
point
where
they
are
certain,
and
so
everything
we've
talked
about
over
the
last
few
years
in
some
of
those
criminal
justice
efforts.
This
supports
that.
F
D
Some
of
them
are
going
to
surprise
you
they're,
probably
too
high.
I
mean
we,
that
is
a
conversation
probably
for
next
year
or
even
later
this
year,
but
this
at
least
drags
it
out
into
the
light
and
says:
hey:
here's
where
those
sentences
are.
D
There
will
be
no
need
to
sunset
the
parole
board.
They
will
have
a
responsibility
for
legacy
prisoners
that
have
been
sentenced
before
this.
Now,
when
we,
when
we
pass
legislation,
if
it
goes
to
the
benefit
of
a
prisoner
or
someone's,
been
incarcerated,
then
they
could
take
advantage
of
a
new
law
in
virtually
all
circumstances.
D
So
if
this
were
to
benefit
them
and
they
wish
to
come
into
this
system,
current
prisoners
could
but
for
the
parole
board,
they
will
have
work
to
do
for
quite
some
time
over
time.
Their
responsibilities
would
go
away
and
for
anybody
sentenced
from
here
forward,
they
would
never
have
to
deal
with
the
parole
board
and
again,
there's
great
folks
over
there.
They
do
a
good
job,
it's
just.
They
have
an
impossible
job.
They
have
to
look
in
a
crystal
ball
and
kind
of
predict.
Well,
this
will
do
fine
that
one
won't.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sponsor.
It
seems
to
me
and
correct
me
where
I'm
wrong.
If
I'm
a
prisoner-
and
I
am.
F
In
in
prison
and
there
right
now,
I'm
rewarded.
If
I
get
my
life
together,
go
through
programs
act
correctly.
Then
there's
a
the
then
the
parole
board
takes
that
in
consideration.
F
When
I
am
up
for
parole
under
your
bill,
as
you've
explained
it
we're
going
to
take
that
away
from
the
parole
board
and
and
the
person
is
going
to
have
a
set
amount,
no
matter
if
he,
if
he
sold
a
little
pot,
which
wouldn't
be
a
little
because
it'd
be
up
to
a
felony
or
if
he
robbed
a
bank
with
a
gun.
F
Well,
that's
a
federal
offense,
I'm
sorry
robbed
a
liquor
store
with
a
gun,
he's
not
going
to
have
any
incentive
other
than
no
carrot
out
there
to
to
to
act
right
reform
his
life
other
than
if
he
doesn't
act
right
in
prison.
D
So
it's
on
page
nine
and
then
several
other
pages
without
the
bill
we
build
in
the
good
time
into
this,
and
so
you're
guaranteed
it.
Okay,
you
don't
have
to
earn
it
we're
going
to
assume
that
you're
going
to
do
the
programs
and
do
well.
If
you
don't,
then
tdoc
can
administratively
add
on
time
within
that
year
now
if
they
get
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
year.
D
At
some
point,
your
sentence
has
to
end
I
mean
just
like
it
does
now,
but
we're
not
taking
that
good
time
away,
we're
just
making
it
where
it's
a
defined
time,
it's
a
year
of
supervised
release
which,
by
the
way,
many
different
studies
say
that
a
year
of
supervised
release,
one
to
two
years
I
mean,
but
a
year
specifically,
is
very
helpful
for
a
prisoner
to
have
to
reacclimate
back
into
society.
So
we're
not
taking
the
good
time
away.
D
They
determine
whether
or
not
they
have
mental
health
issues,
drug
addiction
issues
they
do
all
of
that
now,
but
it's
done
within
tdoc
and
then
they're
handed
off
to
the
parole
board
and
the
parole
board
makes
a
determination
as
to
when
they
get
out
and
does
kind
of
a
separate
evaluation,
we're
just
putting
all
that
into
one
evaluation
of
the
folks
that
know
these
prisoners
best,
which
are
the
the
folks
within
tdoc
that
are
housing
and
supervising
them.
So
it's
not
taken
away.
It's
literally
just
built
in.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
we've
got
you're
giving
them
one
year
of
good
time.
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
and
if,
if
if
they,
if
they're
don't
cause
fights,
if
they
don't
do
other
things
against
tdoc's
policies,
while
they're
in
prison,
then
we're
going
to
give
them
one
year
is.
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing
you
say.
D
Yes,
absolutely
one
year
of
supervised
release
and
every
single
sentence,
and
not
just
if
you
don't
cause
fights
or
do
something
bad
you're
going
to
have
to
be
on
a
pathway
to
better
yourself,
while
you're
in
prison.
All
the
programs
we've
put
in
place
on
all
this
time,
but
it's
a
very
specified
pathway
now.
So
if
you
come
in
and
you've
got
a
three
year
sentence
with
one
year
supervised
release
at
the
end,
they're
going
to
say
look,
obviously
you
came
in
on
this
type
of
charge.
This
is
your
background.
D
These
are
the
programs
you
should
do
and
as
long
as
you
do,
those
programs
you
get
out
of
three
years
automatic.
If
you
just
stop
doing
them
and
you're
sitting
there
and
increasing
the
risk
that
when
you're
released
that
you're
going
to
recidivate,
then
they
could
potentially
add
time
on
or
not
depending
upon
the
circumstance.
But
tdoc
will
be
able
to
manage
that.
But
it's
automatic
on
that
one
year
as
long
as
they
do.
What
they're
supposed
to
do.
F
So,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
let
me
get
this
straight
in
my
mind.
So
if,
if
I'm
sitting
in
on
a
on
a
seven-year
prison
sentence,
I
will
not
have
the
opportunity
to
rehabilitate
myself
and
get
out
in
five.
I'm
gonna
have
to
wait
till
six
and
if
I
do
everything
right
and
and
and
the
folks
at
tdoc
say
beck,
you
you've
done
well.
F
You've
taken
your
classes,
you
have
not
fought,
you
have,
you
know
not
thrown
food
in
the
cafeteria
or
whatever,
and-
and
then
I
get
my
my
prize
is
that
one
year.
D
Yes,
absolutely
that
is
correct
and
that
again
that's
not
just
based
on
the
fact
that
that's
your
prize,
that's
based
on
the
fact
that
you
are
a
lower
risk
to
the
community,
because
you
have
actually
followed
the
pathway
toward
bettering
yourself
while
being
incarcerated.
It
is
no
longer
going
to
be
enough
to
just
do
time.
D
When,
when
you
will
eventually
be
released,
I
mean
95
of
the
prisoners
plus
are
going
to
be
released
at
some
point,
except
for
the
folks
that
are
on
death
row
or
life
sentences
so
and
even
some
of
the
life
sentences
at
some
juncture.
Might
so
it's
not
just
that
one
year
because
of
that,
it's
because
here's,
your
pathway,
we
know
how
to
plan
for
it.
If
you
do
it
you're
lower
risk
and
that's
why
the
one
year.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
if
I'm
the
and
I
hate
to
go
to
specifics,
but
if
I'm
the
I
take
my
take
my
friends
to
the
liquor
store
and
they
go
in
and
rob
it
and
come
back
out
and
all
of
a
sudden
I'm
in
a
conspiracy,
I'm
gonna
get
the
same
prison
term
as
the
guy
who
pulled
the
gun,
robbed
the
liquor
store
and
I'm
going
to
sit
in
jail.
F
D
I
would
argue
no,
but
I
mean
under
current
law
that
could
be
the
case,
but
that's
not
nothing
in
this
bill
changes
any
of
that,
so
the
the
penalties
that
are
on
there
again
we're
literally
just
resetting
them
to
what
the
averages
are
now.
So
the
situation
you
just
described
they
may
or
may
not
be
charged
in
a
conspiracy
may
be
charged
in
the
in
that.
But
that's
all
on
the
front
end
that
that's
what
a
jury
figures
out.
That's
what
a
d.a
and
a
private
attorney
or
public
defender
figures
out.
D
F
F
Zealous
to
work
hard
to
get
in
front
of
the
parole
board
to
say
you
know,
I'm
you
know
I
was.
I
was
just
the
guy
who
took
him
to
the
liquor
store.
I
wasn't
the
guy
who
pulled
the
gun,
all
these
different
things
that
that
the
parole
board
can
take
into
consideration
and
we're
giving
it
to
tdoc.
F
D
Thank
mr
chairman,
so
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
money
in
this
fiscal
note
for
tdoc
and
their
offender
management
system.
They
actually
do
most
of
this
work.
Already
I
mean
they
have
risk
needs
assessments,
they
have
programs,
they
evaluate
these
prisoners.
In
fact,
several
of
the
bills
we've
voted
for
over
the
years
lay
all
that
out
on
how
they're
supposed
to
do
it.
So
I
mean
it's.
It
just
literally
builds
on
what
they're
already
doing.
F
So
is
that
a
con
to
be
more
specific?
Is
that
a
committee
that
decides
that
who
you
said
in
the
risk
assessment,
the
risk
assessment
is,
is
me,
as
a
psychologist
or
whatever
coming
in
talking
to
the
person
and
seeing
and
seeing
the
risk
assessment,
but
that
doesn't
who
pulls
the
trigger?
Who
decides
if
they
get
the
time
off.
D
So
again,
all
that's
done
within
the
tdlc
structure.
Now
the
buck
would
eventually
stop
with
the
commissioner
of
corrections.
I
mean,
if
that's
what
you're
asking
I
mean
it's
done
within
the
structure
that
is
tdoc
right
now,
and
so,
instead
of
it
being
a
separate
parole
board
which
kind
of
allows
for
a
certain
shifting
of
responsibility.
I
mean
these
are
prisoners
that
we
are
tasking
to
be
housed
in
tdoc
and
they're,
going
to
be
responsible
for
them.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
a
comment,
and
then
I
do
have
a
question.
I
want
to
thank
you,
first
of
all
for
bringing
this
bill
and
mainly
because
in
the
last
several
months,
for
whatever
reason,
I've
had
contact
with
several
families
of
victims,
and
I
have
discovered
that
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
cynicism
among
our
constituents
in
tennessee
regarding
our
current
justice
system
and
it's
a
crying
shame
and
through
all
the
discussions
that
I've
heard,
we
and
I
believe
in
restitution
and
rehabilitation
and
reformation
and
all
of
that.
H
They
deserve
justice,
and
I
talked
to
one
recently
a
constituent
of
mine
who,
when
she
was
10
years
old,
was
the
prime
witness
for
prosecution
in
a
murder-for-hire
situation
within
the
family,
she's
in
her
40s
now
and
she's,
constantly
called
and
notified
that
this
person
who
committed
this
crime
is
up
for
parole.
They
don't
deserve
parole
and
she
has
to
prepare
a
statement
go
before
the
parole
board
or
the
judge,
and
testify
that
this
person
needs
to
stay
in
prison
because
look
what
they
did
to
me
and
my
family.
H
So
we
need
to
remember
the
victims
as
well,
and
I
think
this
is
our
current
system
in
tennessee.
I
think,
is
a
perfect
example
of
why
in
felonies,
if
they
commit
a
federal
crime,
they
plead
in
in
state
court
because
they
go
to
federal
court.
They're
gonna
do
the
time,
and
I
appreciate
this
bill
because
that's
what
tennessee
should
be
doing
as
well.
My
question:
if
can
you
can
a
judge,
still
sentence
an
individual
to
a
recovery
or
a
drug
court?.
D
Absolutely
and
in
fact,
by
resetting
some
of
these
sentences,
it
even
arguably
expands
the
population
of
individuals
that
would
be
eligible
for
probation
and
recovery
courts
because,
right
now,
if
you
have
a
sentence
beyond
10
years
and
chairman
farmer
knows
this,
he
works
on
this
every
day
with
clients.
But
if,
if
you
have
a
sentence
over
10
years,
that
has
to
be
a
two
serve
sentence.
So
unless
it's
several
sentences
kind
of
cobbled
together,
this
would
reset
these
sentences
again
down
to
where
the
average
is
now.
I
I
don't
have
it
before
me,
but
I'm
asking
whether
it
takes
into
the
amendment
takes
into
consideration
the
savings
achieved
by
reducing
recidivism
and
reducing
the
need
for
law
enforcement
to
chase
these
guys
down
again
to
jail
them
again.
I
D
We
all
passed
a
bill
last
year
that
said
you're
going
to
take
the
highest
amount
and
not
even
take
into
account
savings
in
that
year
and
I'll
give
you
year
10,
for
example,
in
year
10.
This
bill
would
would
have
a
10.9
million
dollar
increase
in
in
cost
and
it
would
save
19.7
now
that's
roughly
nine
million
dollars
in
savings
in
just
that
one
year.
But
the
bill
has
a
10.9
million
dollar
fiscal
note,
because
those
savings
are
actually
not
calculated
into
that
year.
So
there
are
some
savings.
D
They
are
in
this,
but
you're
not
going
to
see
that
in
the
final
fiscal
note
that
we
have
to
budget
for
and
that's
legislation
that
we've
all
passed,
I
will
say:
there's
also
not
savings
necessarily
referenced
in
here
from
the
fact
that
this
really
preserves
and
enhances
a
work
release
program
and
chairman
kircho
has
worked
on
this
very
hard
for
years
to
ensure
that
if
you
are
that
low-level
prisoner,
it's
not
just
about
getting
out
early,
it's
about
literally
the
programs
that
you
might
be
eligible
for.
D
I
would
like
to
see
folks
that
even
yes
in
prison
to
be
able
to
work,
I
mean
both
inside
and
outside
the
prison
walls.
Now
I
know
that
sounds
like
a
crazy.
You
know
suggestion,
but
it
works
if
these
folks
can
get
a
good
job
and
hold
a
good
job
in
a
safe
environment,
I
mean
I'm
talking
well-controlled
prisoners
hand-picked.
I
mean
it's
not
for
everybody,
but
when
they
get
out
the
recidivism
rates
dive
down
through
the
floor,
if
they've
got
a
solid
job
to
hang
on
to
so
that's
buried
within
this
as
well.
I
Well
I'll
disagree
with
you.
I
I
think
folks
will
find
that
that
work
release
program
is
a
necessary
component
of
reentry,
so
I'll,
thank
you
and
my
colleagues
for
keeping
that
in
place
that
that's
going
to
be
essential
if
we're
serious
about
reducing
recidivism.
I
If
we're
serious
about
the
re-entry
programming
that
these
folks
will
be
subject
to,
we've
got
to
be
able
to
integrate
them
back
into
society
in
a
way
that's
going
to
be
sustainable,
and
we
haven't
been
doing
that.
I
D
Thank
you,
representative,
and
I
appreciate
you
worked
on
criminal
justice
issues
for
years
and
that's
you
and
I
have
have
long
shared
an
interest
in
this
subject
to
to
get
this
right
so
that
again,
folks
are
treated
fairly
within
the
system
and
that
that
we
try
everything
we
can
to
redeem
them
while
we
have
them
within
whatever
type
of
sentence,
and
so
thank
you
for
your
words
and
I
would
ask
for
your
support
on
the
bill.
Sir.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
curcio.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
leader
lambert.
I
want
to
thank
you
from
the
day
that
I
met
you.
You
were
talking
to
me
about
our
sentencing
structure
and
I'll,
never
forget
my
freshman
year
when
you
handed
me
that
color-coded
pieces
of
piece
of
paper
and
said
hey,
this
makes
sense
to
you
right
and
I
sort
of
looked
at
you
like
you
were
crazy
and
you
laughed,
and
you
said
no,
I
it's
a
joke.
J
I
know
it
doesn't
make
sense
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
that
was
over
in
the
old
legislative,
plaza
we've
been
working
on
it
ever
since
then,
so
I
know
you've
poured
your
heart
and
soul
into
this,
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
you-
I
also
want
to
sort
of
address
some
of
the
things
that
were
brought
up
by
our
colleague
from
davidson
county
and
some
of
the
other
questions
that
we've
gotten.
J
You
know
how
does
this
jive
with
with
criminal
justice
reform,
while
everybody
in
this
room
has
worked
hard
on
that
subject,
I
don't
think
anybody
could
argue
that
I
have
the
scars
and
the
bullet
holes
from
a
lot
of
those
criminal
justice
reform
debates
that
we've
had
over
the
last
three
years
and
so
when,
when
this
bill
first
kind
of
landed
on
my
desk
in
draft
form.
J
My
first
question
was
where's
the
redemption
in
here
where's,
the.
Where
are
the
opportunities
in
the
work
programs
and
leader
lambert,
said?
Well,
that's
exactly
why
I
brought
it
to
your
desk.
Let's,
let's
talk
about
it,
you
know.
How
can
we
improve
this?
How
can
we
make
this
better?
I've
got
an
idea,
but
let's
let's
collaborate,
and-
and
I
thank
you
for
that-
because
that's
that
was
work
that
that's
worth
doing
and
that
I
think,
if
we
we
do
this
right,
we
can
really
change
the
way
prison
works
in
tennessee.
J
So
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
section
70
of
this
bill,
which
is
which
is
deep
into
the
amendment
coded
one,
two:
zero
five,
eight.
It
starts
on
page
34.
J
That's
what
section
70
really
tries
to
strike
to
the
core
of
is
we
want
folks
who
are
willing
to
help
themselves
to
get
the
help
that
they
need
by
working
by
bettering
themselves
by
being
able
to
earn
a
living
so
that
when
you
get
out
of
prison,
I
want
mama's
house
or
wherever
you
came
from
to
be
a
step
down,
not
a
step
up,
so
that
you
are
saying
to
yourself
why
in
the
world,
would
I
ever
go
back
there
I'll
tell
you
a
brief
story
when
I
was
in
shelby
county
at
the
mark,
luttrell
transitional
living
facility,
where
a
lot
of
these
type
things
that
we
describe
in
this
section
are
done
already
in
tdoc.
J
It's
just
it's
just
not
the
law
of
the
land
right,
it's
it's
we've
sort
of
doing
it
in
pockets
in
pilot
programs
and
experimentation,
we're
seeing
it
work,
but
we
we
haven't
restructured
prison
in
that
image.
Yet
the
way
this
bill
seeks
to
do,
but
I
was
at
mark
luttrell
and
I
was
there
visiting
with
a
man
who
was
literally
going
to
be
released,
he'd
been
in
prison,
for
I
think
I
want
to
get
the
three
years
right.
J
I
want
to
say
he
was
right
at
12
to
15
years
and
he
was
going
to
get
out
at
noon.
It
was
11
30.,
he
was
bag,
packed
had
his
collared
shirt
on
wearing
his
khaki
pants,
big
smile
on
his
face.
J
He
said,
of
course
I
am
said
number
two:
what
are
you
going
to
do
when
you
leave
here?
Have
you
thought
about
it
and
he
said,
have
I
thought
about
it?
He
said
yeah.
He
said
I'm
going
to
rock
and
roll
sushi
with
my
mother
and
my
daughter
and
I
said
well,
that's
good.
Short-Term
goals
are
good,
but
I
was
talking
more
about
long-term.
You
know,
what's
monday,
look
like
what's
what's
next
wednesday.
Look
like
have
you
thought
about
finding
a
job?
Have
you
thought
about
this?
He
said.
J
J
J
I
said
you
ever
coming
back.
He
looked
at
me
like
I
had
two
heads.
He
said
no,
why
would
I
ever
want
to
come
back
here?
He
said
my
life
is
completely
changed,
I'm
a
different
human
being
than
I
was
when
I
came
in
here
and
it's
because
of
programs
like
the
ones
that
are
described
in
section
70.
again,
it's
not
the
standard
across
the
state.
You've
got
to
have
a
warden
who's
interested
in
it
and
passionate
about
it.
J
In
my
own
district,
the
attorney
center
industrial
complex,
there's
a
a
program
both
inside
the
walls
and
a
program
outside
the
walls.
I'm
very
proud
of
the
one
inside
the
wall
is
a
wood
product
manufacturing
facility
where
these
offenders
are
making
a
true
wage.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
prison
jobs.
They
pay
20
cents
an
hour
to
you
know
clean
up
the
cafeteria.
That
kind
of
thing
these
guys
are
are
they
first
of
all,
they've
got
to
prove
themselves.
They've
got
to
be
able
to
pass
a
background
check.
We
laugh.
J
J
You
know
the
benchmarks
that
were
set
out
after
you
had
your
risk
needs
assessment,
and
if
you
meet
all
those
boxes,
then
you're
able
to
get
on
the
list
to
apply
for
a
job
at
the
wood
product
facility,
and
then
you
can
work
you
can
earn
and
you
can
do
piecework
where
you
can
get
bonuses
and
and
and
additional
compensation
based
on
the
quality
of
your
work.
That's
done
and
again
attorney
is
a
time
building
facility.
J
So
you
see
inmate
trust
accounts
that
have
10
20
30
000
in
in
them
at
times,
and
so
those
those
offenders
are
working
to
better
themselves
are
earning
a
skill
but
they're
also
paying
their
fines
and
fees
they're,
paying
their
restitution
they're,
paying
their
child
support
and
after
all
those
things
are
paid.
They
also
have
a
mandatory
10
savings
rate
so
that
so
that
that
money
is
there
for
them
when
they
get
out
another
piece
that
I'm
particularly
fond
of
is
outside
the
walls.
J
So
we
have
a
pilot
program
going
on
right
now,
where
for
the
inmates
who
qualify,
they're
able
to
load
up
on
a
tdoc
bus
in
the
morning,
and
they
go
to
a
a
boat
manufacturing
facility
in
my
district,
these
guys
are
welders.
They
they
stitch
cushions.
They
they
put
together
these
center
console
hundred
thousand
dollar
deep
sea
fishing
boats.
J
They're
helping
pay
the
bill
to
house
them
in
prison
while
they
are
there,
so
that
they're
not
costing
us
the
taxpayers
money
to
stay
there
in
prison
and
again
all
the
while
they're
able
to
save
money
for
when
they
get
out,
because
when
they
get
out,
I
need
wherever
they
came
from
to
be
a
step
down
and
not
a
step
up
so
that
they
look
at
me
and
you,
like
we've
got
two
heads
when
we
ask
them.
Are
you
going
to
be
part
of
that?
50
recidivism
statistic?
J
J
There
will
be
things
in
here
that
we
all
wish
we
could
make
better
and
I
have
a
feeling
if
we
pass
this
bill,
we're
probably
going
to
come
back
next
year
and
try
to
continue
to
modernize
and
improve
it
and
build
on
it.
But
I
do
want
to
say,
as
somebody
who
cares,
deeply
about
criminal
justice
reform
and
believing
very
very
powerfully
in
the
power
of
redemption
and
rebuilding
one's
life,
that
there
are
some
tools
in
here
that
can
allow
people
to
do
that.
J
So
I
want
to
thank
you,
leader,
lambert,
for
bringing
this
bill
again.
I
think
we
we
will
continue
to
have
work
to
do,
but
but
this
is
something
that
I
think
is
really
going
to
change.
The
way
tennessee
looks
at
this.
D
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Representative
farmer.
Question
has
been
called
on
the
bill.
Any
objection,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
sending
house
bill
1025
as
amended
on
the
full
criminal.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
the
eyes
prevail.
You
move
on.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
mr
chairman,.
A
J
A
You
very
much
this
bill.
What
this
does
is.
It
requires
the
tennessee
bureau
of
investigation
to
remove
from
the
drug
offender
registry,
the
name
and
other
identifying
information
of
persons
upon
receipt
of
notice
of
that
person's
death.
It
also
requires
the
bureau
to
verify
the
person's
death
before
doing
such,
and
with
that
I
stand
ready
for
questions.
J
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
leader,
lambert,
you're,
recognized
new
previous
question
leader
lambert,
has
called
previous
question.
Without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
1963
to
criminal
full,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
head
to
criminal
full.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
sir
I'll
pass
this
back.
A
Before
we
dismiss
members,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
work
today.
Working
through
this
is
the
the
first
somewhat
long
calendar
that
we've
had.
We've
had
a
lot
of
testimony
and
a
lot
of
great
questions,
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
work.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
representative
sexton
and,
and
everyone
else
on
the
committee
in
my
absence
last
week
for
continuing
on
you
did
a
fantastic
job
at
each
and
every
one
of
you
members.