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House Criminal Justice Committee - March 10, 2021 - House Hearing Room 2
A
Welcome
to
the
house
criminal,
just
justice
committee
for
wednesday
march,
the
10th.
A
You
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk
members.
Before
we
get
started
tonight,
any
personal
orders,
anyone
have
any
guests
here
with
them.
Anyone
they'd
like
to
recognize
seeing
none
we're
going
to
get
right
to
it.
We
have
quite
a
bit
on
the
calendar
tonight.
We
have
quite
a
bit
coming
behind
us
at
a
sub
and
so
out
of
respect
for
some
bills
that
have
been
parked
for
a
little
bit.
A
We
are
going
to
be
jumping
around
a
little
bit
tonight,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
to
as
much
as
we
can
and
we
also
have
members
who've
got
to
get
to
meetings
elsewhere
in
the
building.
So
we
would
like
to
jump
to
item
number
15
item
number
15
house,
bill
534,
that
is
by
chairman
howell
chairman
hal,
you're
recognized
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
you're
recognized
on
the
bill.
Thank.
B
You,
mr
chairman,
this
bill
came
to
me
from
the
school
safety
committee
of
the
bradley
county
sheriff's
department.
It
amends
the
tca
code
to
allow
a
judge
to
hold
a
juvenile
for
psychological
evaluation
when
it's
determined
that
that
juvenile
has
made
a
credible
threat
against
the
school
or
fellow
students,
and
they
tell
me
it's
important
to
determine
if
that
juvenile
is
a
threat
to
themselves
or
to
others
in
order
to
give
them
the
help.
They
need
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
hal,
for
that
explanation
of
the
bill.
First,
on
my
list,
I
have
leader
lambert,
you
recognized
previous
question
members
previous
question's
been
called
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
534
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir,
you
head
to
finance.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members.
A
rare
bill.
That's
supported
by
mothers
against
drunks
driving
and
anheuser-busch,
currently
in
code
related
to
social
hosting,
the
term
underage
is
used,
which
only
applies
to
18
to
21,
we're
simply
changing
that
word
to
minor.
So
if
you
social
host
high
school
children,
you
can
be
charged
with
a
misdemeanor
pay.
A
thousand
dollar
fine
and
community
service
that'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
zachary
members,
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill
representative,
dixie
you're
recognized.
D
A
Sir
representative
griffey,
you
wish
to
be
recognized.
Thank
you
for.
Thank
you,
sir.
All,
those
in
favor
of
house
bill,
150
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee.
Thank
you
that
takes
us
to
item
number
six
house
bill
384
by
chairman,
crawford
chairman
crawford.
You
recognized,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
you're,
properly
recognized
before
the
committee.
B
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
leader,
lamberth
you're,
on
the
list
previous
question
previous
question's
been
called
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
384
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
an
excellent
piece
of
legislation,
sir
next.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
eight
house
bill
428
by
chairman
littleton,
chairman
littleton,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
members.
I've
spoken
to
many
of
you
about
this,
but
this
is
this
makes
some
some
critical
changes.
Some
much
needed
changes
to
the
juvenile
justice
reform
act,
something
we've
been
working
with
the
family
and
juvenile
judges
on
across
the
state.
Now
for
a
number
of
years,
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
F
A
F
We
have
representative
hardaway.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
sponsor
yes,.
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
representative,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
we
don't
confuse
the
matter.
The
the
review
that's
mentioned
is
at
the
end
of
that
of
that
child's
sentence.
So
the
reason
that
that
existed
at
six
months
was
because
that
was
the
presumptive
cap.
Moving
forward,
this
bill
were
to
become
law.
The
judge
is
able
to
review
that
case
anytime
that
they
need
to
so,
since
the
six
month
cap
is
going
away.
A
G
Thank
you
chairman
and
I'm
wondering
will
we
have
concerns
on
well.
First,
I
need
to
get
clear
with
the
is
it
possible
for
the
child's
parents
or
counsel
to
request
the
review
within
that
detention
period.
A
A
H
A
Thank
you,
chairman
littleton.
What
I
would
with
with
your
indulgence,
what
I
would
request
is
we're
gonna,
we'll
do
an
oral
amendment
and
that
way
that'll
take
care
of
it
since
we're
not
able
to
take
up
untimely
filed
written
amendments,
but
it's
grammatical
in
nature.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
that
correct
though
so
I
want,
I
think
it's
in
the
system.
A
Members
without
objection
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session
for
legal
services
out
of
session.
A
A
I
know
I'm
sorry,
the
posture
we
find
ourselves
in
is
we
need
to
adopt
amendment
coded
4578
if
we
could
get
a
motion
to
do
that
and
then,
when
we
orally
amend
that
amendment,
so
I've
got
a
motion
to
adopt
amendment
4578.
A
And
now
members
we
are
considering
an
oral
amendment
to
amendment
coded
four
five.
Seven
eight
can
I
get
a
motion,
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
of
the
oral
amendment,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
all
right
and
now
without
objection
we
will
roll
both
of
those
amendments
into
one
all
right
members.
We
are
now
on
house
bill
428,
as
amendment
amended
chairman
littles
and
you're
recognized.
Thank.
H
You,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
sorry
for
the
confusion,
but
I've
never
known
that
word
to
cause
so
much
confusion,
but
anyway,
thank
you.
In
2019,
the
aggravated
rape
of
a
child
statue
was
amended
to
require
the
sentence
would
be
life
without
parole.
The
u.s
supreme
court
has
ruled
in
miller
and
versus
alabama
that
the
eighth
amendment
forbids
a
sentencing
scheme
that
mandates
life
in
prison
without
the
possibility
of
provo
for
a
juvenile
to
guarantee
that
the
statute
is
constitutional.
H
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
this
question
is:
is
in
relationship
to
juvenile
lone
juvenile
crimes.
How
about
this
impact?
Let's
say
of
an
eight-year-old
rape,
an
eight-year-old!
Are
we
talking
about
40
years
for
that
child
before
well,.
G
G
H
Did
not
understand
if
they're
sentenced
to
adult
court,
they
would
still
be
a
range
three
offender,
otherwise
they
would
be,
as
I
guess,
just
a
regular
juvenile.
G
G
Thank
you
and,
of
course,
I'm
as
strong
as
you
are.
When
we
talk
about
any
any
adult
that
preys
on
children,
I'm
just
concerned
about
children,
children
crimes
and
whether
we
throw
out
the
opportunity
for
for
rehabilitation
and
being
able
to
help
them
in
their
development
going
forward
in
these
instances.
G
H
G
A
A
Previous
previous
questions
been
called
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
428
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
miami
head
to
calendar.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
one
on
your
calendar
item
number
one
and
that
is
by
vice
chairman
russell.
Vice
chairman
russell,
you
are
recognized,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I
see,
there's
an
amendment
coded
4-1-3-7.
A
F
You
chairman
what
the
amendment
does
is
write
the
whole
bill.
It
requires
that
all
that,
after
conviction
of
certain
crimes
that
historically
targets
women
and
children,
100
of
the
imposed
sins
must
be
served,
sentences
cannot
be
reduced
by
credits.
Credits
can
be
used
for
the
purpose
of
increased
privileges,
reduce
security
classification
or,
for
any
other
purposes,
other
than
the
reduction
of
the
sentence
imposed
by
the
court
plain
and
simple.
If
you
do
the
crime
you
do,
100
percent
of
the
time
knows
possibility
of
parole
probation.
I
renew
my
motion,
mr
chairman,.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
the
question's
been
called
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
4137
to
house
bill.
1047,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt
members
the
bill
make.
The
amendment
makes
the
bill
any
questions.
B
You're
saying
that
the
the
penitentiary
system
cannot
grant
good
time
or
good
behavior
time
to
take
days
off
a
sentence,
but
is
it
for
what
particular
crimes
is
it
that
that
applies
to
by
share
russell.
F
B
A
F
Absolutely
so
here's
just
a
list
of
them:
rape
aggravated
sexual
battery
sexual
battery
aggravated
sexual
statutory
rape,
indecent
exposure,
patronizing
prostitution,
promoting
prostitution,
public
indecency
is
defined
in
39,
13
517,
continuous
sexual
abuse
of
a
child
sexual
battery
by
authority
figure
there's
a
bunch
of
them
if
you'll
make
sure
every
one
of
them.
I
could.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
have
a
question
about
one
of
the
offenses
promoting
prostitution.
I
My
only
one
of
my
concerns
is
that
people
who
are
victims
of
human
trafficking
can
oftentimes
get
accused
of
promoting
prostitution
as
a
result
of
their
victim
status.
So
how
will
we
be
able
to
protect
them
with
this
bill?
So
we
won't
confuse
them
as
someone
who
is,
you
know
intentionally
engaging
in
sex
crimes
versus
perhaps
being
a
victim
of
human
trafficking,
because
the
the
water
gets
muddy
with
the
promoting
prostitution
part.
F
I
Representative
recognized,
thank
you
so
much.
What
about
those
who.
I
A
You
ma'am
leader,
lambert,
I've
got
you
on
the
list.
J
I
was
gonna
call
question,
but
I
will
say
this
I
mean
to
the
previous
question
or
the
question
it
was
asked
right
before
this,
so
this
bill
specifically
goes
after
the
traffickers,
so
I
mean
it.
J
And
so
those
that's
the
goal
of
this,
and
I
was
going
to
say
just
listening
to
the
recitation
of
the
the
types
of
crimes
that
are
here.
It
sounds
like
virtually
every
crime
in
this
group
of
penalties
that
will
be
increased
are
traditionally
crimes
that
have
been
committed
against
women
and
children,
and
so
I
mean
it
just
not
not
exclusively,
but
traditionally
I
think
that's
probably
the
the
folks
that
have
that
are
survivors
of
these
type
of
crimes,
and
so
I
fully
support
the
bill.
I
think
it's
a
great
criminal
justice
reform
bill.
J
In
order
to
be,
we
talk
a
lot
of
times
about,
and
the
chairman
says,
you
know,
making
sure
we're
locking
up
the
folks
that
we're
afraid
of
and
that
are
truly
just
wreaking
havoc
in
our
communities
and
not
just
those
that
were
annoyed
at
at
the
time,
and
this
bill
appears
to
do
that.
I
mean
it
really
goes
after
the
worst
of
the
worst.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill
and
appreciate
that
vice
chairman.
A
I
You,
mr
chairman,
this
bill
is
a
bill.
I've
been
working
on
with
this
committee
on
what
it
does
is,
if
you
are
have
commit
bodily
harm
or
death
as
a
because
your
life
is
in
danger
as
a
result
of
your
victim
status
of
human
trafficking,
you
can
claim
self-defense
in
the
through
testimony
only
in
the
courtroom.
That's
the
explanation
on
my
bill
and
I'm
opening
up
for
questions.
A
Thank
you,
representative
lamar,
and
I
apologize.
I
actually
filed
an
amendment
on
this.
It's
amendment
coded
4-5-4-0.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
It
rewrites
the
bill,
it's
exactly
your
language,
but
it
substitutes
rewrites
the
bill
similar
to
the
bill
as
filed,
but
substitutes
unlawful
activity
with
felony
or
class
a
misdemeanor
there's
another
bill.
That's
traveling
that,
if
they
both
passed,
would
would
negate
what
you're
trying
to
do
here,
and
so
this
would
bring
them
together,
so
that
that
bill
does
not
impact
yours,
but
the
the
net
effect
on
your
bill
is
that
your
your
original
tent
remains
completely
intact.
A
Without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
4540
to
house
bill
17.,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt,
and
now
the
questions
been
called
on
the
bill
without
objection,
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
17
as
amended
to
calendar
and
rules.
Please
signify,
saying
aye
those
opposed
ma'am.
You
had
to
calendar
and
rules.
A
A
One
moment
committee,
just
one
sec,.
A
D
You,
mr
chairman,
community
members:
what
this
does
we
passed
the
safe
at
home
act
to
the
secretary
of
state's
office
back
in
2019,
which
protects
those
who
have
been
victims
of
stalking
harassment
and
and
and
human
trafficking
and
other
sorts
of
domestic
violence?
What
this
does
is
this
expands
that
it's
been.
This
has
been
so
popular
and
people
take
advantage
of
it
save
so
many
lives
that
we
need
to.
A
A
A
G
All
right,
thank
you,
chairman
and
committee
house.
Bill
881
is
designed
to
help
protect
the
right
to
peacefully
protest
for
tennesseans
by
cutting
down
on
the
bad
actors
that
may
escalate
an
otherwise
peaceful
protest
into
a
riot.
The
bill
is
based
on
a
psychological
phenomenon
called
social
contagion.
Theory.
Social
contagion
theory
is
when
you
have
a
group
of
individual
individuals
and
one
individual
acts
out
or
takes
an
action
that
may
become
contagious
within
that
group
of
individuals.
G
This
bill
addresses
this
issue
by
enhancing
the
charges
for
someone
who
has
been
paid
to
riot
or
has
come
in
from
out
of
state
with
the
intent
to
commit
a
criminal
offense.
The
penalties
are
a
class,
a
e
felony,
with
a
mandatory
minimum
of
45
days
of
incarceration
or
60
days.
If
two
or
more
of
the
acts
and
the
bill
are
committed.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
coded
four
two,
two
one
to
house
bill.
881,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt.
The
amendment
makes
the
bill
any
questions,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
881
as
amended
to
finance
ways
and
means
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
Thank
you
journey
to
me.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
Mr,
what
this
does
I
mean
this
is
a
a
very
clean
cut
amendment
that
just
makes
it
clear
that
if
you
are
lawfully
in
possession
of
a
firearm-
and
you
are
lawfully
where
you're
allowed
to
be,
then
you
will
not
be
put
in
jail
for
not
having
a
permit.
It
keeps
the
permit
process
out
there
for
all
that
would
like
to
take
advantage
of
the
permit
process.
We
encourage
folks
to
get
a
permit.
J
In
fact,
we
encourage
folks
to
get
training
beyond
just
the
one
class,
but
this
makes
it
clear
that
we're
not
going
to
jail
someone
that
would
have
otherwise
been
a
law-abiding
citizen,
but
for
the
fact
that
we
criminalized
them
carrying
their
gun
without
a
permit.
So
that's
what
this
amendment
does.
It
is
a
clean
cut.
Constitutional
carry
bill.
A
Members,
you've
heard
the
explanation
I
will
say
this
and
the
amendment
behind
it
are
going
to
make
the
bill.
So
you
may
have
a
lot
of
questions
been
called
without
objection.
All
those
in
favor
of
attaching
amendment
code
3738
to
house
bill
786,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt.
That
brings
us
to
amendment
coded
4089,
also
by
leader
lamberth,
sir
you're
recognized
on
amendment
coded
4089.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
in
this,
so
in
the
current
law,
if
you
have
convicted,
if
you've
been
convicted
of
stalking,
if
you've
been
convicted
of
one
dui
in
five
years
or
two
and
ten,
if
you've
been
judicially
committed
because
of
of
insanity
or
you're
otherwise
prohibited
to
possess
a
firearm,
then
you
cannot
get
a
permit.
So
again
we
we
have.
J
The
other
amendment
takes
care
of
our
this
section
of
this
that
would
be
referred
to
as
constitutional
carry
makes
it
very
clean
and
straightforward
that
an
otherwise
law-abiding
citizen
can
again
carry
their
firearm
and
not
be
jailed
for
not
having
a
permit.
This
section
keeps
in
place
those
protections
so
that
stalkers
drunk
drivers
and
those
that
have
been
again
declared
involuntarily
committed.
They
are
currently
prohibited
from
being
able
to
carry
that
would
keep
that
in
the
statutes,
but
it
would
put
it
over
in
the
criminal
code
where
it
really
should
be.
J
I
mean
that
that
should
not
be
a
part
of
someone's
preserving
the
other
portion
of
this
bill
that
preserves
someone's
constitutional
rights.
That
should
be
part
of
the
criminal
code.
That
is
completely
separate
from
that
section
of
the
bill,
so
it
does
not
either
increase
or
decrease
the
penalties
that
are
out
there.
Currently,
it
merely
keeps
those
in
place
for
individuals
that
are
currently
prohibited
from
being
able
to
get
a
carry
permit.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
land
for
bringing
this
legislation.
While
I
philosophically
don't
really
support
this
amendment,
I
want
the
governor's
bill
and
the
entire
house
to
have
the
ability
to
review
review
this
bill
legislation
as
the
governor
would
like
it
so
so
I
just
want
to
go
on
record.
I'm
not
favor
of
the
amendment,
but
I
want
this
bill.
I
am
a
co-signer
on
the
governor's
legislation,
so
I
just
want
to
state
that.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
leo
lambert.
Thank.
A
J
Chairman,
I
really
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
support
of
this
this,
both
this
amendment
and
the
bill,
and
I
know
we
share
the
same
goals
of
increasing
freedom
and
keeping
our
communities
safe.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you.
A
Sir,
absolutely
next
on
the
list
is
representative
hardaway.
G
Just
put
me
on
the
bill,
mr
chairman,
if
you
want
on.
A
The
discussion
of
the
bill-
yes,
sir,
we'll
save
your
remarks
for
them
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
4089,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
you
adopt.
Now.
I
would
make
a
motion
to
roll
amendment
number
one
and
amendment
number
two
and
two
one
I've
got
a
motion
in
a
second
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed
you
roll
into
one
members.
We
are
now
on
the
bill
as
amended
house
bill,
786
representative
hardaway,
you're
recognized.
G
J
Thank
mr
chairman,
exactly
the
way
it
does
now,
and
thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
If
you
have
a
permit
again,
the
state
of
tennessee
will
keep
our
permitting
process
in
place.
If
you
have
the
enhanced
carry
permit.
There
are
two
different
types
of
permits
right
now,
but
if
you
have
the
enhanced
carry
permit,
then
that
would
have
reciprocity
at
the
same
states
that
it
does
currently.
G
J
Leader,
lambert,
any
otherwise
law-abiding
citizen
that
is
here
so
any
american
citizen
that
happens
to
be
president
in
tennessee,
regardless
of
where
they
reside,
would
not
be
jailed
for
not
having
a
permit
and
so
we're
taking
off
the
criminal
penalties
for
those
that
fall
outside
of
again.
The
other
prohibitions
I
mean
you
know,
convicted
felons,
those
that
have
been
mentally,
committed,
illegal
aliens,
convicted,
convicted,
stalkers
or
or
drunk
drivers.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Under
current
law
you
to
get
a
permit,
you
have
to
undergo
a
background
check
test
and
take
some
training
in
order
to
get
a
permit
to
carry
a
gun
all
the
time
and
you'll
be
taking
this
away.
So
how
will
law
enforcement
be
able
to
distinguish
between
individuals
prohibited
from
carrying
a
gun
under
federal
state
laws
and
those
carrying
legally?
If
you
don't
have
the
background
check
process.
J
Leader,
lambert
again
to
be
clear:
we're
not
taking
anything
away
from
that
process.
The
exact
permit
process
will
still
exist
that
exists
out
there
right
now,
and
law
enforcement
will
do
the
same
thing
they
do
now
if
they
have
reasonable
suspicion
to
investigate
whether
or
not
someone
is
carrying
a
gun,
it'd
be
the
same
as
if
when
they
stop
a
vehicle
right
now,
so
in
a
vehicle,
you're
not
required
to
have
a
permit
to
have
a
gun
in
your
vehicle.
J
So
when
law
enforcement
stops
someone
in
a
vehicle,
they
look
for
any
indicators
that
that
person
may
be
a
convicted
felon.
They
may
have
mental
health
issues,
they
may
be
intoxicated
and
they
investigate
that
potential
crime.
All
of
those
crimes
exist
and,
in
fact,
in
this
bill
as
amended,
we
are
significantly
increasing
the
penalties
for
those
that
are,
you
know,
those
that
steal
firearms,
those
that
are
felons
and
possessions
of
firearms.
Those
are,
you
know,
commit
violent
crimes
and
firearms.
J
We're
actually
increasing
those
penalties,
so
it
would
be
just
as
it
is
right
now
that
law
enforcement
investigate
those
just
as
they
do
currently.
I
Representative
lamar
absolutely-
and
I
understand
that
but
say,
for
example,
if
I
am
a
felon
and
I'm
walking
to
the
corner,
store
with
my
gun
on
my
hip,
not
committing
any
crime,
and
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
have
a
gun.
How
can
law
enforcement
stop
me
from
carrying
a
gun
if
they
can't,
if
I'm
not
committing
a
crime,
and
I
got
this
firearm
and
it's
constitutional-
carry
anybody
can
carry
it?
How
would
they
know
that
I'm
not
supposed
to
have
that
gun.
J
Leader,
lambert,
the
same
way
they
would
now
I
mean
I
mean
law
enforcement
shouldn't,
be
just
stopping
anybody
they
want
to
and
shaking
them
down.
For
whatever
reason,
that's
wrong,
I
mean
that
that
is
an
absolute
wrong
thing,
that
that
is.
That's
a
stop
and
frisk
that
I
I
know
I've
heard
you,
or
at
least
I
think
I've
heard
you
speak
against
that
in
the
past,
where
you
should
not
be
stopping
people
just
because
you
don't
like
the
way
they
look
or
or
who
they
are
where
they
are.
J
I
mean
you've
got
to
have
reasonable
suspicion.
You've
got
to
have
probable
cause.
You've
got
to
have
a
reason
to
stop
somebody
and
investigate
them.
You
you
can't
just
I
mean
law
enforcement
should
not
be
stopping
someone
and
just
shaking
them
down
because
they
feel
like
it.
That
should
never
happen.
I
What
I'm
saying
is
if
we
have,
if
you
have
to
get
a
permit
to
carry
a
gun
around
anyway,
you
go
through
that
background
process,
while
you're
saying
you're
not
taking
this
process
away,
which
is
fine,
but
if
we
pass
this
bill,
anybody
can
carry
a
gun
without
going
through
that
permit
process.
Am
I
right.
J
Leader,
lambert,
no
you're,
not
the
same
list
of
people
that
can't
carry
a
gun
now
would
not
be
able
to
carry
after
this
we're
taking
the
criminal
penalty
off
if
an
otherwise
law-abiding
citizen
who
is
eligible
for
a
permit
doesn't
get
that
permit
they're,
just
not
going
to
go
to
jail.
Now
I
mean,
but
again,
the
permit
process
is
still
there
all
the
prohibited
individuals
that
could
not
carry
now
is
still
there
in
law,
and
they
would
face
jail
time
in
fact
increase
jail
time.
J
I
J
No
again,
that's
a
fundamental
understanding
of
how
this
process
works
if
they
believe
that
a
crime
is
being
committed,
or
if
that
person
is
a
felon
they're
going
to
have
to
build
in
some
sort
of
reasonable
suspicion
to
stop
that
person.
A
law
enforcement
officer
can't
just
stop
anybody.
They
want
to
and
shake
them
down
you.
You
can't
do
that.
I
mean
that
that's
kind
of.
J
So
I
mean
they're
going
to
have
to
have
some
reason
to
actually
interact
with
that
citizen.
Okay,
if
they
believe
a
crime
is
being
committed,
they
can
investigate
that
they
can
run
their
record.
The
mere
presence
of
a
physical
card,
saying
someone
is
a
carry
permit
holder-
should
never
be
good
enough
to
indicate
that
they're
not
a
convicted
felon.
I
mean
that
card
could
have
been
revoked
in
the
system.
That
person
could
have
been
convicted
the
week
before
if
they
have
reason
to
believe
they
have
reasonable
suspicion
that
a
crime
has
been
committed.
J
They
should
investigate
that.
I
mean
do
their
job,
investigate
that
incident,
but
leave
lawful
citizens
alone,
don't
just
shake
people
down
for
whatever
reason
again,
I
must
have
made
an
assumption.
Based
on
our
previous
conversations,
I
thought
you
were
against
law
enforcement,
just
stopping
people
for
no
reason
whatsoever
and
shaking
them
down
just
to
try
to
invent
a
crime
to
be
able
to
charge
them
with.
I
mean
that's
what
we're
prohibiting
here.
You
can't
just
stop
anybody
you
want
to
just
to
just
to
check
them
out.
J
I
mean
you've
got
to
have
a
reason
to
investigate
that
person
and
then
just
because
they
have
a
permit
on
them
whether
this
bill
were
to
pass
or
not.
You
should
never
just
assume
that
that
permit
is
valid.
You
should
still
check
the
database,
see
if
they've
been
convicted,
see
you
know,
try
to
figure
out
if
there's
any
kind
of
mental
health
issues,
if
they're
intoxicated
even
a
permit
holder,
if
intoxicated
cannot
carry
that
that
gun
that's
illegal,
both
under
this
bill
and
and
under
current
law.
J
I
Yes,
thank
you.
That's
not
what
I'm
saying
is
giving
law
enforcement
the
position
to
shake
people
down
what
I'm
saying
is
you're
going
to
create
a
loophole
for
more
felons
to
be
able
to
carry
guns
without
the
check
and
balances
of
the
system.
That
is
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
emphasize
with
this
bill,
but
I'll
move
on
to
my
next
question
or
my
next
comment.
I
While
I
understand
and
I'm
a
big
supporter
of
our
second
amendment
rights
to
carry
guns
and
I
encourage
all
citizens
to
get
their
gun
license
or
possess
firearms,
I
find
it
interesting
that
we
put
so
many
barriers
on
other
constitutional
rights
like
voting
being
able
to
travel
and
we're
lessening
the
constitutional
rights
or
process
for
something
like
a
gun
that
can
easily
kill
somebody,
but
we're
hiding
the
processes
for
other
constitutional
rights.
I
Like
voting,
you
know,
so
I
I
don't
think
it's
right
that
you
know
you
got
law
enforcement
who
we
claim
to
support,
are
asking
you
not
to
push
this
bill
because
of
how
it
would
endanger
the
community,
especially
the
memphis
community,
when
our
police
director
has
asked
not
to
put
this
in
place.
Our
city
mayor
has
asked
because
it
will
increase
crime
in
my
city,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
comment
out
there.
You
don't
have
to
respond
to
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
I
said
that
on
the
record.
J
Thank
you
for
your
comments,
and,
and
yes,
I
pretty
much
do
have
to
respond.
It
absolutely
isn't
a
loophole
not
in
no
way
shape,
form
or
fashion.
It
takes
off
the
criminal
penalty
on
someone
who
has
literally
done
nothing
wrong
in
their
life.
They've
not
been
convicted
of
a
crime.
They've
not
been
mentally
committed.
There's
nothing
wrong
that
at
anything,
they've
done
they've
not
been
convicted
of
anything
and
they're
only
exercising
their
second
amendment
rights
that
they
could
already
do
in
their
house.
Their
business-
and
these
are
the
group
of
individuals
we're
talking
about.
J
They
can
exercise
their
second
amendment
rights
and
have
that
firearm
in
their
house,
their
business,
their
friend's
house
and
business,
their
boat,
their
car,
their
bicycle,
their
motorcycle
literally.
We
criminalize
those
folks
unless
they
get
a
permit,
if
they're
walking
to
and
from
those
locations
we're
just
taking
the
criminal
penalty
off
and-
and
I
and
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
my
friends
that
will
say
they
support
the
second
amendment,
and
I
I
take
you
at
your
word
that
you
do
this
is
the
chance
to
actually
prove
it.
I
mean
this
improves.
J
A
J
I
mean
there's,
there's
no
difference,
I
mean
you
know
again.
The
only
thing
you
have
to
go
through
to
get
a
permit
is
a
one-time
class
to
pretend
that
somehow
or
another
that
immediately
makes
you
safe
to
carry
a
gun
is
a
fantasy.
That
is
ridiculous,
so
people
should
go
through
regular
training
if
you
own
a
firearm,
absolutely
go
practice
with
that
gun
on
a
regular
basis.
Do
what
law,
enforcement
and
other
folks
that
care
on
a
regular
basis
do
familiarize
yourself
with
that
weapon.
There's
nothing
in
the
second
amendment
that
requires
that.
A
D
D
J
Famous
chairman,
I
think
your
staff,
don't
recommend,
recognize
me,
but
I've
been
told
over
and
over
again
I
have
to
get
recognized
by
the
chairman,
so
nothing
changes
again.
I
mean
you
know
the
background
check.
That's
in
place.
Right
now
is
still
in
place.
I
mean
every
every
firearms
dealer
is
still
going
to
have
to
check
a
background
and
in
fact
all
the
protections
that
are
in
the
law
right
now
are
going
to
be
improved.
J
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Next,
on
the
list
I
have
representative
griffey
you're
recognized.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
earlier
questions
regarding
being
able
to
determine
whether
somebody
has
a
gun
on
them
and
whether
the
police
can
stop
them.
You
know
reasonable
minds
may
differ,
but
under
our
current
law
the
police
have
to
have
reasonable
suspicion
that
a
person
is
presently
engaged
in
criminal
conduct
or
appears
to
be
maybe
attempting
to
engage
in
reasonable
conduct
and
just
because
a
person
has
a
firearm
on
their
person,
they
may
have
a
permit.
They
may
not.
You
reasonable.
K
Suspicion
is
not
supported
by
a
50
50
guests,
one
way
or
another,
so
the
police
are
going
to
have
to
develop
more
than
just
I
saw
a
person
had
a
gun
on
them
to
stop
somebody.
Now,
I'm
not
saying
that
that
doesn't
occur
in
real
world
situations,
but
I
I
think
most
judges
would
tell
you
you
need
more
than
just
I
saw
a
person
with
a
gun
he
may
or
may
not
have
a
permit
to
be
able
to
stop
somebody.
K
So
we're
not
like
communist
china
unless
you've
engaged
in
something
or
you're
doing
something
that
draws
law
enforcement,
suspicion
that
you
may
be
engaging
in
criminal
conduct
or
something
like
that.
That's
when
they
have
a
basis
to
stop
and
check
you
and
this
legislation
really
wouldn't
change.
Any
of
that.
So
thank
you.
A
L
A
Sir,
I
am
moving
that
amendment
representative
beck
moves,
amendment
coded
four,
five,
seven,
five
do
we
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
excuse
me:
he
motioned
his
own
amendment
and
we
have
a
second.
Oh.
I
didn't
notice
that,
yes,
you
did,
but
by
bringing
it
up,
oh
by
bringing.
L
I
have
dove
into
this
in
in
a
head-first
way
and
had
a
lot
of
discussion
with
with
leader
lamberth
during
the
when
this
was
in
front
of
sub,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
testimony
in
front
of
sub
from
law
enforcement,
and
I
just
got
a
letter
sent
to
me
from
the
tennessee
association
of
chiefs
of
police
from
from
a
chief
where
they
are
against
this.
The
chiefs
of
the
police
are
against
it.
Former
commissioner
of
safety
is
against
it.
L
The
sheriff's
testified
that
they're
against
it
and
the
tbi
testified
that
they're
against
it
for
many
different
reasons,
a
lot
of
them,
I
won't
rehash
from
from
sub,
and
then
I
looked
at
you
know.
I
keep
hearing
that
you
know
people
are
jumping
up
and
down
for
this,
and
I
looked
at
the
polls
and
the
question
on
the
latest
poll
governor
lee
said
in
his
speech.
He
would
move
forward
with
legislation
allowing
people
to
carry
a
handgun
without
a
permit.
L
L
L
L
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
that's
over
4
000
people
who
either
violated
the
the
laws
of
the
permit
or
were
denied
getting
the
permit
for
some
mental
criminal
reason.
L
We
then
went
forward
and,
and
my
and
and
what
I
thought
is
you
know
I
understand
from
discussions
and
sub
and
other
things
that
many
people
feel
that
the
the
cost
of
the
permit
keeps
hinders
people
or
presents
a
barrier
to
their
ability
to
carry
a
gun
well
in
the
in
the
legislation
that
is
before
us,
the
governor
has
put
in
his
budget
the
money
to
do
away
with
the
permits.
L
So
why
don't
we
have
a
happy
coming
together
here
and
say
we
do
away
with
the
cost
of
the
permit,
but
not
the
permit.
Then
we
keep
number
one.
L
The
people
who
should
not
have
carrying
a
gun
in
public
would
not
be
able
to
get
their
permit,
but
the
ones
that
are
of
the
189
thousand
more
now
would
not
have
to
ever
pay
a
fee,
so
there's
no
obstruction
with
them,
going
forward,
having
a
permit
and
and
thus
no
barrier
to
this
constitutional
right
carrying
the
permit.
It's
a
minor
infringement
upon
total
wild
wild
west
in
order
to
keep
people
safe
and
as
you
can
see
from
the
polls,
people
want
to
be
kept
safe.
They
they
they
feel
like.
L
L
It's
not
that
we
have
one
section
of
this
of
the
state.
Saying
we're
against
it.
Another
section
saying
we're
for
it:
we
have
every
law
enforcement
agency
saying
they
are
against
doing
away
with
permitted,
carry
and
and
I've
unders
and
I've
listened
to
the
sponsors
reasons
why
this
isn't
correct
et
cetera.
But
you
can't
tell
me,
as
we
sit
here
today,
that
all
law
enforcement
is
wrong
and
that
one
sponsor
of
a
bill
is
correct
and
that
we
cannot.
L
Be
safe
for
our
police
and
our
and
our
people
in
uniform
with
doing
away
with
any
type
of
permit.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
would
move
that
drafting
code
4575
be
put
on
the
bill
to
allow
permits
to
stand
education
to
stand
background
checks
to
stand
all
applicable.
L
Eligibility
to
obtain
a
permit
stand
accept
the
cost.
Let's,
let's
give
the
people
their
permits.
Let's
do
away
with
that
stumbling
block.
Let's
keep
our
policemen
safe
and,
let's,
let's,
let's
yield
to
the
to
the
will
of
the
people
of
tennessee
and
keep
our
permitting
system.
I
thank
you
very
much
and
I
move
my
my
amendment.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
beck
represent
beck
moves
his
amendment
first
up
for
questioning
how
vice
chairman
russell.
You
recognize,
sir.
A
Questions
have
been
called
on
the
amendment
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
4575
to
house
bill
786,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed.
No,
the
amendment
fails
next
on
the
list.
I
have
representative
dixie,
representative
dixie,
you're
recognized.
E
So
I
don't
think
that
increasing
the
penalties
and
crimes
is
going
to
have
the
desired
effect
that
the
law
enforcement
want
is
to
get
guns
off
the
streets,
and
I
think
the
goal
is
to
get
gold
guns
off
the
streets,
I'm
not
really
sure,
because
I've
got
a
couple
different
answers,
but,
mr
sponsor,
you
can
help
me
out
with
this.
What
is
the
fiscal
note
on
this.
J
Thank
you,
sir.
The
total
excuse
me
the
total
fiscal
impact.
There
are
several
different
amendments
here
and
I
think
the
total
increase
of
state
expenditures
is
12
million
just
over
12
million
dollars.
That's
on
the
increased
penalties
and
to
your
question
directly.
I
sound
like
two
different
questions.
Is
you
know
what
do
increase
penalties
mean
as
far
as
reducing
crime.
I
can
guarantee
you
this
for
the
six
months
of
some
thief
that
steals
a
firearm.
E
Oh
I'd
like
to
say
I
think
earlier
when,
when
you
and
another
representative
were
were
talking,
you
said
that
you
know
you
can
keep
guns
in
your
cars.
Boats
houses
things
of
that
nature,
but
you
can't
you
would
cause
a
penalty
currently,
if
you're
walking
back
and
forth
with
it.
I
think
the
reason
for
having
those
castle
doctrines
is
to
if
you
were
to
get
upset.
At
least
you
have
time
to
cool
down
before
you
get
to
it
or
think
about
what
you're
about
to
do.
E
If
I
have
a
firearm
on
my
hip
now
and
I
get
into
altercation,
I
may
take
that
I
may
take
someone's
life.
Our
law
enforcement
do
a
great
job
of
training
and
they
still
struggle
with
the
split-second
decision
of
having
to
take
someone's
life.
We're
asking
untrained
people
that
anybody
can
get
a
firearm
legal.
They
can
legally
carry
a
firearm
to
put
themselves
in
that
same
position
of
taking
someone's
lives
with
no
training.
I
think
this
bill
will
encourage.
It
may
stay.
It
may.
G
E
Some
people
off
the
street
for
six
months,
but
it
also
have
some
people
doing
multiple
tens
and
20
years
in
jail,
maybe
even
life.
So
it's
not
it's
not
going
to.
I
just
don't
see
how
the
increase
of
penalties
will
be
a
deterrent
for
this
crime,
and
I
think
that
also
with
the
price
tag
of
this
bill,
I
think
that
there's
other
ways
the
state
could
spend
this
money,
especially
when
we're
struggling
to
pay
our
teachers.
A
I
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment
first
on
the
list
I
have
by
chairman
doggett,
you
recognize,
sir.
A
The
question
has
been
called
on
the
amendment
without
objection:
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
amendment
coded
4-5-5-2
to
house
bill
786,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed
no
no's
have
it.
The
amendment
fails
next
on
the
list
I
have
representative
hardaway,
representative
hardaway,
you're
recognized.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
ask
those
no's
to
turn
down
the
volume
when
it
comes
time
to
vote.
For
my
amendment,
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
call
up
amendment
number
zero,
zero.
Four,
five,
five
three.
G
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
sponsor
it
merely
takes
memphis
out
of
the
the
bill,
our
sheriff
for
shelby
county
sheriff
bonner,
our
police
director,
mike
rollins,
every
officer
and
every
sheriff's
deputy
that
I've
spoken
to
is
fearful
that
should
this
pass
and
we
have
constitutional
or
permit
less
carry.
G
A
B
A
A
Thank
you,
sir
members.
I
have
no
one
else
on
my
list.
Representative
dixie.
You
wish
to
be
recognized.
You
recognized.
E
Yes,
I
would
like
to
be
heard
on
my
amendment,
which
is
zero:
zero.
Four
five,
five
six.
A
Parliamentary
procedure
we
find
ourselves
in
as
representative
dixie
has
moved
his
amendment
coded
four
five,
five
six.
You
have
a
second
sir
you're,
properly
recognized.
E
A
A
A
Members
there's
no
one
else
on
the
list,
so
without
objection
we're
ready
to
vote.
I'm
sorry
vice
chairman
sexton,
you
recognize,
sir.
F
F
F
A
J
Lambert,
so
in
this
bill
again
we
preserve
someone's
ability
to
be
able
to
get
a
permit
if
they
so
choose.
We
encourage
anyone
to
go
through
regular
training
with
their
firearm
and
learn
proper
storage,
proper
usage,
how
to
safely
utilize
that
firearm,
but
we
are
not
going
to
jail
someone
for
exercising
their
constitutional
rights.
There
is
nothing
in
the
second
amendment
that
says
exercising
your
second
amendment.
J
F
One
last
question
so
by
this
you're
saying
that
it
doesn't
matter
if
all
the
law
enforcement
in
the
united
states
was
against
this.
We
still,
according
to
the
second
amendment,
have
the
right,
regardless
of
what
law,
enforcement
or
anyone
else
says.
According
to
our
second
amendment
rights,
we
do
not
have
to
have
a
certificate.
A
J
Lamberth,
so
the
entire
british
empire
was
pretty
opposed
to
the
second
amendment
when
it
was
founded
by
when
it
was
brought
to
us
by
our
founders,
and
yet
it
still
made
it
into
the
rights
that
we
have
enshrined
within
the
constitution
of
the
bill
of
rights.
So
yes,
sir,
no
matter
who
is
opposed,
this
is
an
an
improvement
on
our
freedoms
and
it
preserves
those
second
amendment
rights.
F
A
Thank
you
vice
chairman
members.
We
do
have
two
folks
on
our
list
to
testify.
So
if
there's
no
other
questions
for
the
sponsor
before
that
representative
hardaway,
you
wish
to
be
recognized.
G
Yes,
sir,
and
the
vice
chair
kind
of
brought
this
to
mind-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
whether
the
language
in
this
bill
speaks
to
all
firearms
or
whether
some
firearms
still
require
a
certificate.
I
believe
that's
the
way
the
vice
chair,
putting.
G
A
J
L
Thank
you,
mr
sponsor.
Does
this
change
in
any
way
that
you
brought
a
bill
several
years
ago
about
where
you
could
carry
and
and
and
the
metal
detectors
in
public
buildings,
and
that
type
of
thing
and
the
posting
of
businesses
does
any
of
this
change
under
your
bill?.
J
No,
it
does
not,
but
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
bill
up.
I
felt
that
it
was
a
very
good
piece
of
legislation.
I
was
glad
to
see
it
become
law.
It
significantly
reduced
the
number
of
gun-free
zones
out
there
and
ensured
that
if
you're
going
to
be
prohibit
someone
from
exercising
their
second
amendment
right
and
carrying
their
firearm
to
defend
themselves,
then
the
entity
prohibiting
that
is
actually
making
sure
that
no
one
else
has
a
firearm
in
there
either
before
that
build
it
just
posted
a
sign
and
that's
all
it
was
after
the
bill.
L
Oh,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
apologize
and
to
the
sponsor
you.
You
were
just
answering
the
representative
from
granger
about
the
first
and
our
freedom
to
speak.
Have
you
ever
known
anybody
to
get
talked
to
death.
A
Okay,
without
anyone
else
on
the
list,
we
we
are
going
out
of
session
to
your
testimony
members
if
we
could
try
to
keep
it
together
here.
We're
gonna
go
out
of
session.
First
on
our
list.
We
have
dr
jill
streams,
dr
streams
in
the
audience
ma'am.
The
rules
of
engagement
here
are
make
sure
your
microphone
is
on.
If
you
don't
mind,
there's
a
red
button,
there's
a
picture
of
a
voice
that
looks
like
there's
got
it.
A
C
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
this
statement.
My
name
is
dr
jill
streams.
I'm
a
trauma
surgeon
at
vanderbilt
university
medical
center.
Just
to
make
clear
that
I
am
here
in
my
personal
capacity
and
not
on
behalf
of
vanderbilt.
My
testimony
today
is
based
on
12
years
of
experience
in
the
medical
field,
and
I'm
here
to
urge
you
to
strongly
oppose
house
bill
786,
both
as
a
citizen
of
tennessee
and
as
a
trauma.
Surgeon
who
cares
for
patients
with
injuries
due
to
firearms.
C
2020
has
been
a
hard
year
for
our
entire
country.
Over
11
000
tennesseans
died
from
covet,
and
let
me
tell
you
that
myself,
other
doctors,
nurses,
healthcare
workers,
have
had
a
hard
year,
but
what
you
may
not
know
is
that
2020
has
also
been
a
banner
year
for
gun
deaths
and
injuries
due
to
firearms
in
2020.
In
davidson,
county
alone,
gun
deaths
and
injuries
increased
a
staggering
31
percent
over
2019
that
far
outpaced
the
increase
in
davidson
county
population,
and
we
have
seen
over
for
the
first
time
ever
over
500
events
of
gun
violence.
C
Excuse
me,
the
volume
of
trauma
patients
at
vanderbilt
has
been
the
highest
ever
recorded
in
2020..
Frankly
speaking,
we
are
drowning
in
gun.
Violence
trauma
centers
across
tennessee
are
also
saying
that
seeing
the
same
increases
in
trauma
patients
and
year
to
date
in
2021
are
incidences
of
homicide
due
to
gun
violence
in
tennessee.
Excuse
me
in
davidson,
county
are
up
55
percent,
just
in
the
first
two
plus
months
of
the
year,
so
the
data
is
clear
and
unambiguous.
We
have
a
problem
with
gun
violence
in
tennessee.
C
The
economic
burden
of
that
is,
it
costs
our
state
over
nine
billion
dollars
each
year
due
to
gun
violence
and
400
million
of
that
is
from
taxpayer
money.
So
firearm
injuries
affect
all
segments
of
our
population.
As
we
all
know,
a
nurse
was
shot
and
killed
on
4
40
several
months
ago
on
her
way
to
work.
Just
last
week,
a
local
man
was
shot
and
severely
injured.
At
his
place
of
business,
a
grandfather
was
shot
protecting
his
grandchildren.
C
Now
my
trauma
team
is
exceptionally
good
at
what
we
do,
but
unfortunately
we
cannot
say
save
everyone,
and
there
are
far
too
many
patients
that
die
from
gun
violence.
I'll
tell
you,
there
is
no
worse
sound
in
the
world
than
the
whale
of
a
parent.
When
I
tell
them
that
their
child
has
died,
it
is
a
sound
that
is
imprinted
on
your
soul,
and
I
have
to
have
that
conversation
far
too
often,
my
career
as
a
trauma.
C
Surgeon,
increasing
access
to
firearms,
with
the
passage
of
this
bill
with
permit-less
carry,
will
absolutely
increase
the
number
of
firearm
injuries
and
deaths
in
tennessee.
I
ask
you
to
preserve
the
well-regulated
phrase
of
the
second
amendment
and
ensure
that
gun
owners
still
have
their
second
amendment
rights,
but
are
properly
vetted
and
permitted
the
same
way
that
I
am
required
to
be
licensed
to
practice
medicine.
C
So
I'm
here
today
to
ask
you
to
please
heed
the
advice
of
experts
who
have
come
out
against
this
bill,
including
our
law
enforcement
agencies,
and
I
recommend,
against
the
passage
of
this
bill.
It
will
make
my
job
harder.
It
will
make
law
enforcement
jobs
harder
and
more
tennesseans
will
die.
Thank
you.
A
G
G
A
C
The
data
is
very
clear
that
increasing
access
to
firearms
in
our
homes
increases
the
number
of
accidental
injuries
increases
the
number
of
children
that
get
a
hold
of
these
weapons
that
are
improperly
stored
and
increases
the
number
of
suicides.
Essentially,
if
you
have
ease
of
access
to
means-
and
you
have
the
motivation
you're
going
to
increase
suicides
and
that
data
is
very,
very
clear.
G
You,
mr
chairman,
and
to
interpret
what
you
just
said:
the
more
guns,
the
more
violence,
the
more
violence,
the
more
gun,
injuries
and
gun
deaths,
and
I'm
going
to
rephrase
what
you
said
when
you
first
came
up.
You
said
we
were
drowning
in
gun,
violence,
we're
actually
drowning
in
the
blood
of
gun,
violence,
victims.
B
Thank
you
and
thanks
doctor
for
being
here.
Let
me
ask
you
a
question:
can
you
tell
me
again
the
total
number
of
gun
deaths
that
you
gave
was
that
in
nashville,
in
2020
and
of
those
how
how
many
were
those
of
those
were
suicides?
Dr.
C
So
I
can,
I
can't
give
you
all
that
exact
number
in
terms
of
the
breakdown
between
homicides
and
injuries
and
suicides,
because
that
data
isn't
tabulated
for
my
purview.
That
data
is
taken
directly
from
comstat
for
davidson
county.
There
were
524
incidences
of
death
and
firearm
injury
in
2020
in
davidson
county,
proper.
A
A
Members
next
on
the
list
we
have
mr
david
botkin
botkin-
is
here.
Sir
same
rules
apply
if
you
could
introduce
yourself
to
the
committee
share
with
us
whatever
you
would
like.
You've
got
three
minutes,
unlimited
time
for
question
and
answer-
and
I
forgot
to
say
before,
but
everyone
will
just
get
recognized
through
the
chair
and
that
just
keeps
us
from
having
like
a
running
debate
or
back
and
forth.
So
you
recognize,
sir,
yes,
sir,
is
that
red
light
on
in
the
microphone?
A
M
Is
david
botkin?
I
work
in
the
firearms
industry,
but
this
is
an
area
of
concern
for
me
that
long
predates
that
first
off
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
for
having
me
and
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
governor
for
promoting
this
bill.
I
think
it's
a
really
good
move
and
of
the
18
states
that
have
constitutional
carry
right
now.
A
lot
of
them
have
not
had
their
governor
on
board
with
the
push
to
to
make
that
law.
M
I
know
that
you've
all
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
this
law
and
discussing
it
and
different
aspects
to
it.
But
one
aspect
that
I
don't
know
has
been
brought
up
yet
is
the
origin
of
the
current
laws
that
tennessee
has
regarding
the
regulation
of
carry
of
weapons,
and
that's
what
I'd
like
to
talk
about
this,
this
concept
of
the
point
of
origin.
M
Also,
in
that
same
year,
a
law
was
passed,
banning
the
transfer
of
weapons
to
slaves
unless
they
had
the
permission
of
their
masters
to
receive
those
in
1870
the
civil
war
was
over,
reconstruction
was
over
tennessee
amended
their
constitution.
They
were
no
longer
allowed
to
have
this.
This
radically
discriminatory
law,
but
in
changing
their
constitution
to
allow
citizens
to
have
this
right.
They
then
banned,
carry
across
the
board
and
they
just
they
just
banned
it
completely,
and
they
updated
the
law
over
the
years,
adding
new
weapons
and
things
like
that.
M
Now
the
problem
is
looking
through
this.
It
appears
that
the
driving
motive
behind
these
bans
was
an
attempt
to
keep
weapons
out
of
the
hands
of
recently
freed
black
slaves.
I
have
here
two
legal
reviews:
one
from
chicago
kent
college
of
law
and
one
from
george
mason
university,
one's
called
gun,
control
and
racism.
M
The
statute
was
never
intended
to
be
applied
to
the
white
population
and
it
goes
on
from
there.
So
as
we
discussed
this
and
as
we
discussed
making
changes
to
this
law,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
think
all
the
way
back
to
where
these
laws
came
from,
why
they
were
put
on
the
books
and-
and
maybe
we
need
more
than
just
some
tweaks.
Maybe
we
need
some
more
radical
overhauls.
M
M
We
can
find
this
sentiment
throughout
history,
where
the
powerful
have
tried
to
subjugate
the
weak
and
that's
our
concern
with
with
tennessee's
origins
and
this
law
is.
That
was
the
motive
to
lord
to
lord
it
over
the
poor
in
matthew,
20
jesus
says
you
know
the
rulers
of
the
gentiles
lord
it
over
them
and
their
great
ones
exercise
authority
over
them.
It
shall
not
be
so
among
you.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you,
mr
bobkins,
for
sharing
that
history
and
painful
part
of
tennessee
history,
but
I'm
proud
to
sponsor
this
legislation.
So
maybe
we
can
redress
some
of
the
wrongs
and
sins
that
have
been
committed
by
our
forefathers
and
let
everyone,
every
man,
woman,
every
legal
person
in
tennessee,
that's
required
to
possess
and
carry
a
firearm
for
self-protection
and
to
dr
stream's
comments.
I
know
it's
extremely
upsetting.
We
appreciate
her
being
here,
but
the
laws
that
we
have
on
the
books
now
were
in
this
situation.
K
G
I
certainly
appreciate
your
scholarship
and
being
able
to
go
back
and
trace
the
history
and,
of
course,
when
you
talk
about
black
folks,
I
feel
like
I
need
to
get
a
word
in
the
thing
that
I
would
like
to
see.
A
E
I
think
representative
behind
me
he
referenced
thing.
You
said
that
there
was
eight.
I
think
you
referenced,
that
there
was
18
states
that
have
open,
carry
and
there's
been.
They
haven't
gone
back
out
of
those
18
states.
How
has
their
crime
increased
over
time
or
has
it
stayed
the
same
or
gone
down?
Mr.
M
So
it
appears
that
what's
happened
is
when
you
look
at
crime
charts
with
the
rise
of
carry
permits
and
the
explosion
of
the
number
of
carry
permits.
Last
I
checked,
there's
about
18
million
issued
carry
permits
in
the
u.s
crime.
Has
violent
crime
has
taken
a
dive,
almost
consistent
with
the
rise
in
the
number
of
carry
permits,
and
it
appears
that,
as
states
have
gone
to
constitutional
carry
that
trend
has
not
reversed.
M
E
Well,
I
just
did
just
a
little
digging
just
to
just.
I
was
just
curious,
I'm
in
arizona,
since
they
enacted
in
2010
annually
that
at
the
rise
has
been
eight
percent
in
aggravated
assaults
with
the
gun
in
alaska,
since
they
have
enacted
in
2003,
it's
been
rise,
has
been
65
percent
of
aggravate
aggravated
assaults
with
a
gun.
So
my
point
is
saying
that
this
is
not
a
deterrent.
E
Crime
still
increases,
and
I
think
that
it
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
commit
a
crime
of
emotion
if
they
have
a
handgun
on
them
or
out
of
need,
because
right
now
we're
in
a
pandemic,
and
people
are
struggling
right
now
and
when
they're
not
getting
the
resources
they
need
to
survive.
E
E
No,
I
would
I
was
just
gonna
just
ask
you
did
and
I
know
we
didn't
get
to
hear
all
of
your
presentation
and
it
may
have
addressed
it
later,
but
I
would
definitely
want
to
know
those
statistics
if
you
were,
you
know
if
it
was
a
longer
presentation.
Mr.
M
You
know
I
would
love
to
go
study
that
I'm
so
intrigued
by
the
study
I've
been
doing
on
the
history
of
tennessee's
laws.
That's
really
where
I
want
to
go
next.
I
was
literally
right
before
coming
into
here.
I
was
like
oh
here's,
a
new
law-
I
didn't
know
about
this
one,
but
you're
right
that
deserves
work.
A
I
I
M
So
it's
very
hard
to
answer
because
I'm
answering
for
all
the
different
individuals
that
make
up
law
enforcement,
but
it
appears
that
if
we
decriminalize
possession
of
of
owner
you
know
carrying
a
firearm,
it's
going
to
remove
opportunities
for
law
enforcement
to
potentially
abuse
their
power
and
go
after
people
that
they
have
got
no
business
going
after
so
I
would
hope
that
it
would
move
towards
a
more
equitable
application
of
the
law.
That's
my
hope.
I
In
your
personal
opinion,
do
you
think
a
law
enforcement
officer
who
may
not
be
used
to
interacting
from
with
individuals
from
other
communities
will
be
able
if
they're
fearful,
you
know,
claim
to
be
fearful
for
their
life?
They
could
you
unnecessarily
use
deadly
force
against
someone
with
the
gun.
M
Mr
bodkin,
so
this
is
actually
one
thing.
I
hope
this
is
really
going
to
improve,
because
right
now,
with
the
the
current
state
of
affairs,
an
officer
might
approach
someone
determined
that
person
shouldn't
have
a
gun
and
then
they
have
to
go
through
the
sort
of
surrender
process
whereby
they
they
take,
that
gun
from
that
individual,
and
it
appears
that
in
many
law
enforcement
shootings,
it's
that
interaction
where
things
go
sideways
and
and
sometimes
the
individual
with
the
gun,
that's
having
their
gun
taken,
doesn't
handle
it
very
well.
M
You
know,
sometimes,
law
enforcement
gives
a
series
of
commands,
put
your
hands
up,
don't
move,
drop
the
gun
and
there's
no
way
for
them
to
comply
with
all
of
them.
Simultaneously,
it's
very
stressful!
You!
You
recognize
that
my
hope
is
that
by
making
it,
so
it's
no
longer
a
crime
for
a
bunch
of
these
people.
The
number
of
those
interactions
where
cops
are
disarming.
People
will
happen.
You
know
it'll
happen
less
frequently
and
therefore
there'll
be
fewer
opportunities
for
those
those
potential
deadly
encounters.
I
You
so
much,
mr
chairman,
so
you're
saying
the
age
where
we're
seeing
police
innocent
shoot
a
lot
of
individuals
based
on
the
assumption
that
they
may
have
a
weapon,
not
even
verified
that
you
think
if
we
bring
constitutional
care
or
open,
carry
whatever.
We
want
to
call
it
that
the
number
of
people
shot,
because
they
are
believed
to
have
had
a
weapon
will
go
down.
M
You're
recognized
that
is
my
sincere
hope
when
we
look
at
constitutional,
carry
or
just
regular,
carry
before
that.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
cases
where
cops,
see
someone
carrying
a
gun.
They
don't
know
if
they
have
a
permit,
they
move
in
to
establish
contact
and
there
have
been
many
cases
where
that
has
gone
very
poorly
and
and
then,
as
as
the
law
became
more
broadly
understood
by
state
law.
You
know
local
law
enforcement.
M
Those
incidents
went
down,
but
there
have
been
countless
examples
that
I've
read
about
where
individuals
lawfully
carrying
even
the
ones
with
permits
with
the
training
you
know,
still
had
conflict
with
those
cops,
but
once
once
things
kind
of
stabilized,
once
the
knowledge
of
the
law
went
out
there,
those
went
down.
You
don't
hear
about
cops,
coming
up
behind
someone
with
a
gun
and
just
tackling
them.
But
you
used
to
hear
about
those
cases
in
some
states
when
kerry
was
was
new.
I
So
no,
I
will
have
to
respectfully
disagree
with
you,
but
what
I
will
say.
I
think
that
advocating
for
this
bill
will
increase
the
number
of
people
who
die,
because
in
that
moment
officers
go
think
about
himself
first
and
if
he's
scared,
regardless
they're
lawfully
carrying
a
weapon
or
not,
they
will
be
shot
and
they
will
be
die,
and
what
we
do
know
is
that
black
people
are
oftentimes
more
evict
on
the
on
the
larger
scale
of
victims
of
being
the
ones
who
die
from
the
hands
of
law
enforcement.
I
Out
of
fear,
from
carrying
philand
philander
castile,
lawful,
gun
owner
shot
killed
by
a
police
officer
at
a
traffic.
Stop
he
wasn't
doing
anything.
So
again,
you
have
complex
examples.
I
have
countless
examples.
You
can
go
on
youtube
and
find
countless
examples
of
how
badly
things
can
go
if
we
put
this
law
in
place.
But
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
respectfully,
and
I
thank
you
for
coming.
A
Members,
I
have
no
one
else
on
the
list.
Mr
bakken,
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
point
out
the
fact
that
you're,
a
constituent
of
mine
and
glad
to
have
you
here
in
nashville,
so
thank
you
for
being
here
today,
sir,
and
with
no
other
questions,
we're
ready
to
go
back
into
session.
So
thank
you,
sir
back
in
session.
Thank
you
very
much
members.
We
are
on
house
bill
786
as
amended.
A
On
the
bill,
questions
have
been
called
on
the
bill
without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
786
to
finance,
as
amended
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
no
bill
passes.
You
head
to
finance,
sir
famous
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
on
our
list.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
17.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
house
bill
18.,
it
differs
from
the
governor's
version
of
constitutional
carry
and
the
fact
that
it
it
the
language
is
firearms
and
it
would
allow
persons
18
years,
age
and
older.
If
you
can
go
off
and
fight
for
your
country,
my
opinion
is,
you
ought
to
be
able
to
carry
a
firearm
if
you
can
legally
possess
it.
So
that's
really
the
only
difference
and
I've
got
27
members
that
have
cosigned
to
this
bill.
K
A
Members
you've
heard
the
motion.
You've
heard
the
explanation,
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
representative
campbell
you're
recognized.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
previous
question.
Previous
questions
been
called
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
18
by
representative
griffey
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
That
was
opposed.
No
sir,
you
had
to
finance.
A
A
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
your
amendment.
Please
explain
the
amendment.
D
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
This
bill
changes
the
submission
time
from
60
days
down
to
30
days
for
sexual
evidence.
The
tennessee
crime
lab
this
bill
does
not
in
any
way
make
evidence.
That's
filed
outside
that
time
period
not
admissible
for
evidence.
A
A
Questions
been
called
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
49
as
amended
to
calendar
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
those
opposed,
sir.
You
had
the
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
chairman.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
four,
also
by
vice
chairman
ogles
house,
bill
1343.,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
D
Thank
you,
chairman
mayors
of
committee,
presently
in
tennessee
it
is
a
crime
to
smuggle
in
a
cell
phone
to
a
penal
institution
or
a
prison,
but
once
you
get
by
past
that
barrier
to
actually
have
it
in
the
prison
or
jail
is
not
a
crime.
This
makes
it
a
classy
felony.
D
On
the
first
time
that
you
are
caught
with
a
cell
phone,
the
judge
has
discretion
on
the
fine.
The
second
time
you
will
get
the
maximum
and
the
sentencing,
which
is
three
thousand
dollars.
That
makes
the
bill
with
that
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
B
D
As
far
as
right
now,
mostly
the
department
of
corrections
is
doing
that
and
they're
here
today
to
speak
on
this.
If
the
committee
would
like.
D
Choice
chairman,
if
we
may
I'll,
let
them
address
that
more
if,
if,
if
that's
okay
represent,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
ugles
and
someone
on.
A
There
is
a
representative
here
from
tdoc.
They
are
also
on
the
list
to
testify.
So,
okay,
without
objection
we're
going
to
go
out
of
session,
we
will
now
hear
from
tory
grimes,
I
believe,
from
the
tennessee
department
of
corrections,
sir
you're
well
known
to
this
committee,
but-
and
you
know
how
the
microphones
work,
but
if
you
could
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
share
with
this
committee,
whatever
you'd
like
you,
have
three
minutes
and
then
unlimited
times
for
question
and
answer.
A
N
You
chairman,
tory
grimes
department
of
corrections
and
also
service
departments,
one
of
the
department's
legislative
liaisons,
specifically
to
chairman
hawk's
question.
N
This
is
the
interdiction
efforts
are
undertaken
by
our
law
enforcement
unit
that
or
they
are
sworn
agents
they
all
post,
post-certified
agents
that
are
also
go
to
tbi
and
fbi
academies.
So
those
who
you
those
are
the
folks
that
usually
make
these
arrests
and
we're
really
interested
in
this
bill.
As
you
all
know,
this
issue
has
been
a
issue.
That's
been
dear
to
commissioner
parker's
heart.
He
has
been
on
the
task
force
at
the
federal
level
for
the
last
four
years
to
try
to
get
to
a
solution
nationally
for
this
issue.
N
And
if
you
don't
know,
cell
phones
are
a
problem
because
they
can
be
as
small
as
the
tip
of
your
thumb.
They
can
be
hidden
anywhere.
They
can
be
smuggled
in
in
anything
possibly
and
imaginable,
and
micro.
The
the
the
solution
that
the
department
is
most
interested
in
is
the
localized
jamming
technology
which
currently
is
not
available
to
use
be
used
by
the
states
because
of
an
fcc
rule
dating
back
to
really
1934..
N
It
gives
us
opportunity
to
put
that
phone
number
on
the
stolen
phone
database
and
what
that
means
is
that
phone
number
is
forever
blocked
from
being
able
to
be
used
again,
even
though
that
a
lot
of
times
these
are
burner
phones,
we
think
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
This
is
something
that
that
we
know
that
we
can
do
in
tennessee
and
we're
supportive
of
the
bill.
A
Thank
you,
mr
grimes
representative
griffi.
You
recognized.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
grimes,
for
being
here.
Let
me
ask
this:
is
there
an
exemption
or
an
exception
in
the
bill
for
law
enforcement
that
might
take
their
cell
phone
within
the
sally
port
or
the
checkpoint,
or
you
know,
maybe
the
other
authorized
phone
or
phone
systems
within
certain
penal
institutions.
N
There
are
there's
crimes
you
recognize
there
is
a
provision,
there's
a
provision
in
current
law,
where
the
warden
can't
approve
that
that's
how
it
works.
Now
the
warden
approves
can
improve
you
you're
two
in
a
facility
the
warden
can
approve
you
to
come
in
with
your
cell
phone.
K
You,
mr
I've,
I've
gotten
word
that
some
jails
may,
instead
of
using
the
old
pay
phone
on
the
wall,
where
everybody
has
to
get
a
number
and
do
that
they
they've
gone
to
this
cell
phone
thing.
Click
system,
so
would
there
be
if
the
jailer
or
the
sheriff
of
a
local
jail
is
authorizing
that
click
system
or
something
would
would
it
prevent
that
sheriff
from
doing
that?
Or
could
he
could
he
still
do
it
since
he's
quote
the
warden
of
the
local
jail
or
allow
it.
N
A
It's
actually
saying
represent
grippy.
I
may
jump
in
because
I
have
the
exact
same
question.
When
we
were
debating
this
kind
of
before
we
came
to
committee
it
may
it
may
be
clarifying
if
it
was
helpful
to
you.
I
think
it
was
helpful
to
me.
We
could
go
out
of
session
and
hear
from
legal
there's,
there's
some
bits
in
there
that
that
made
me
more
comfortable
with
that
exact
issue.
A
A
That's
right,
miss
fogerty!
Now
that
we've
made
all
our
jokes
you're
recognized.
H
Thank
you.
This
language
is
adding
to
subdivision
b
two,
it's
adding
a
subdivision
c.
The
subdivision
b2
says
that
it's
knowingly
and
with
unlawful
intent
for
a
person
to
possess,
so
a
person
has
to
it,
is
unlawful
for
any
person
to
knowingly
and
with
unlawful
intent,
possess
any
of
the
following
materials
while
present
and
it's
adding
the
telecommunication
device,
so
they
would
have
to
possess
it
knowingly
and
with
unlawful
intent.
K
A
Thank
you,
sir
again,
I
had
similar
questions
and
I
thought
it
might
be
enlightening
to
hear
that
any
other
questions
representative
dixie
on
the
list
for
the
witness.
Yes,
yes,
sir
you're
recognized.
E
This
bill
applies
to
incarcerated
individuals,
correct
yes,
so
what
are
the
penalties?
Just
for
my
knowledge
for
the
person,
who's
actually
smuggling
it
in
mr.
N
Grimes
that
changed
to
a
d
felony
last
year
couple
years
ago,.
A
A
A
F
Does
is
move
farm
over
to
critical
infrastructure
over
in
my
area
along
the
river
counties,
representative
moody
and
I
have
discussed
this
before.
We
have
a
lot
of
problem
with
farm
vandalism,
from
cotton,
bales
being
burned
to
tractors,
having
metal
shavings
put
in
their
hydraulic
tank
or
in
hydraulic
reservoirs.
F
We've
had,
I
personally
have
had
a
trailer
truck
burnt
just
sitting
in
the
field,
but
there's
lots
of
vandalism.
For
instance,
they'll
go
up
back
up
to
a
pivot,
take
a
truck
hook
to
the
the
copper
wire
on
it.
Pull
the
wire
off.
Take
it
to
a
fire
burn
the
plastic
off
of
it.
Then
they'll
sell
the
copper
at
a
scrap
yard
for
scrap
prices,
causing
the
farmer
time
loss
a
headache
you
know
aggravation.
A
Members
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
bill.
Any
questions
for
the
sponsor
by
chairman
russell
you're
recognized.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
A
J
A
A
A
Questions
been
called
on
the
bill
chairman
farmer,
you're
recognized
to
be
called
a
question
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
478
to
calendar
and
rules,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
those
opposed,
sir.
You
have
the
calendar
and
rules
springs
item
number
14
house
bill
606
also
by
leader,
lambreth
motion.
J
There
are
too
many
victims
too
many
victims,
families,
specifically
that
wind
up
having
to
go
before
the
parole
board
and
beg
the
parole
board
to
keep
their
their
family
members
killer
behind
bars.
It's
a
murder,
whether
it's
done
with
you,
know
a
hammer
or
a
knife
or
any
other
dangerous
weapon,
or
if
it's
done
with
the
car,
I
mean
when
somebody's
dead,
they're
dead
forever
and
so
a
vacuum
or
homicide
should
be
100
sentence.
That's
exactly
what
this
bill
does.
A
Thank
you
leader,
lamberth
chairman
dawg,
at
you,
recognized
questions
been
called
on
the
bill.
Without
objection,
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
sending
house
bill
606
to
finance,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
I
was
opposed,
sir.
You
had
to
finance.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
committee
members
for
supporting
those
bills.
I
truly
believe
they'll
help
keep
our
state
safer.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Leader,
lamberth
members,
we're
going
to
go
back
to
item
number
two
on
your
list.
It's
house
bill
511
by
leader,
gant
peter
gant.
You
are
recognized.
I
also
see
an
amendment
coded
four,
three,
nine
four
motion,
sir.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
that
amendment
and
that
amendment
makes
the
bill.
That
is
correct.
Please
describe
the
amendment
sir.
B
All
right
what
this
does
is
after
working
with
governor
lee
for
a
few
weeks
on
this
legislation.
We
have
this
amendment
that
actually
rewrites
the
bill,
and
this
amendment
adds
a
new
subdivision
under
the
current
definition
of
terrorism
to
protect
first
responders.
B
A
Leader
gant,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
description.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
for
first
responders
and
those
brave
men
and
women
who
keep
us
all
safe
and
rush
rush
towards
the
violence,
as
we
often
run
away
from
it.
I
appreciate
your
your
work
on
this
representative
griffey
you're,
recognized
on
the
amendment.
A
A
A
B
J
A
J
J
J
We
have
a
motion.
Second
members,
any
questions
for
the
chairman
on
the
amendment
scene.
None
will
be
voted
on
amendment
coded
zero,
zero,
four
one:
five:
nine
to
go
on
house
bill,
374,
all
in
favor
signify
to
say
aye,
aye,
all
opposed,
nay,
the
eyes
happen,
all
right.
Members
we're
back
on
house
bill
374.!
L
Thank
you
to
the
sponsor.
This
was
voted
down
and
sub
and
then
brought
back,
and
so
how
does
your
amendment
change
the
original
bill.
J
J
Thank
you
representative.
I
believe
we
have
chairman
hulsey.
A
Happy
to
thank
you,
leader,
labrith,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
chairman
holsey
this.
This
adds
a
requirement
for
if
a
person
is
serving
on
a
community
oversight
board
where
one
exists
that
they
attend,
the
police
citizens
police
academy.
If
offered-
and
the
amendment
changes
the
original
intent
was
you
had
six
months
to
comply,
this
would
change
it
to
12
months
to
comply.
J
Additional
questions
for
the
chairman
on
the
bill
chairman
howell.
J
Question
has
been
called
any
objections.
Previous
questions
c9
will
be
voted
on
house
bill,
374
going
to
calendar
and
rules.
It
appears
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
all
opposed
nate.
You
always
have
it
calendar
rules.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
mr
chairman,
I'll
pass
the
gavel
back.
A
For
adjournment,
thank
you,
sir
members.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
hard
work.
We
had
a
long
calendar
to
get
through
tonight
I
jumped
around
because
I
wasn't
certain
we
would
get
through
it
all,
but
I
should
have
had
more
faith
in
this
excellent,
hard-working
committee.
So
there's
no
other
business
before
the
committee.
We
are
adjourned.