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House Education Administration Committee- April 6, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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A
B
Welcome
everyone
house,
education,
administration
committee:
we
looks
like
we'll
be
able
to
wrap
up
the
committee
this
week
and
I
really
appreciate
everyone
this
session
being
been
with
us
and
the
great
committee
and
everyone
in
the
discussion
we've
had
and
a
lot
of
things
we've
gone
through.
We
should
be
able
to
wrap
things
up
today,
but
before
we
start,
let's
have
the
clerk
call
our
role
for
us.
A
B
E
B
F
F
Terry
many
of
y'all
got
to
meet
him
a
couple
weeks
ago
when
he
he
loves
to
come
to
nashville
for
his
spring
break,
so
he
came
up
with
me
a
couple
weeks
ago,
but
I
say
that
we
all
either
have
a
family
member
or
know
someone
who
is
on
the
autism
spectrum.
So
with
that
being
said
with
your
indulgence,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
read
some
facts
and
information
very
quickly
on
autism,
you're
recognized.
Thank
you.
Sir
autism
affects
about
one
in
68.
F
Children
in
the
united
states,
with
more
children
identified
than
ever
before.
Autism
is
about
four
times
more
likely
in
boys
than
girls.
Autism
affects
children
of
all
racial,
ethnic
and
socioeconomic
groups.
Autism
is
a
spectrum
disorder
which
means
that
every
child
with
autism
has
different
skills,
challenges
and
needs.
F
Autism
can
be
reliably
diagnosed
by
age
two,
but
many
children
may
be
diagnosed
even
earlier.
Early
identification
of
autism
helps
children
get
the
services
they
need.
There
is
no
cure
quote-unquote
cure
for
autism,
but
there
are
several
interventions
that
can
help
children
learn
important
skills
that
improve
everyday
life.
F
B
Thank
you,
chairman,
hurt
very
much
appreciated
members
before
we
get
started.
I
came
across
this
today.
I've
saw
this
a
long
time
ago
and
I've
been
meaning
to
bring
it
up
a
lot
of
times.
We
we
are
concerned
about,
if
we're
pushing
too
hard
in
education
or
or
not,
you
know
the
standards
we
have.
I
went
back
and
how
many
of
you
seen
this
1895
in
kansas
there's
an
eighth
grade
test.
B
If
you
want
to
graduate
from
eighth
grade
in
1895,
which
is
a
midwestern
state,
imagine
kansas
in
1895.,
you
have
different
categories
grammar
you
have
one
hour
to
take.
I
won't
read
all
of
it,
but
you
have
one
hour
to
take
this
test.
Give
the
nine
rules
for
the
use
of
the
capital,
letters
name,
the
parts
of
speech
and
define
those
that
have
no
modifications
defined.
Verse
stands
a
paragraph.
What
are
the
principle
parts
of
a
verb,
give
principle
parts
of
do,
lie,
lay
and
run
define
cases
illustrate
each
case.
B
What
is
punctuation
give
the
rules
of
marks
and
punctuation.
It
goes
on.
That's
your
grammar
part,
and
you
have
one
hour
to
complete
that
arithmetic
naming
to
find
the
fundamental
rules
of
arithmetic.
A
wagon
box
is
two
feet
deep,
ten
feet
long
and
three
feet
wide:
how
many
bushels
of
wheat
will
it
hold
if
a
load
of
wheat
weighs
3942
pounds?
What
is
it
worth
at
50
cents
per
bushel,
deducting
1050
pounds
for
for
tear
I've
already
failed?
Okay,
it's
it's
like!
I
missed.
B
Some
of
this
district
number
33
has
a
valuation
of
35
000.
What
is
a
necessary
levy
to
carry
on
a
school
seven
months
at
fifty
dollars
per
month
and
have
104
dollars
for
incidentals
and
the
math
test
goes
on.
You
have
an
hour
and
fifteen
minutes.
U.S
history
give
the
epics
in
to
which
the
u.s
history
is
divided,
given
account
of
the
discovery
of
america
by
columbus.
B
And
you
got
another
part
of
the
test
is
what
is
meant
by
the
following
alphabet:
phonetic,
orthography,
entomology
syllabication?
What
are
elementary
sounds
how
classified
what
are
the
following
and
give
examples
of
each
trigraph
sub
sub
vocals
diphthongs
cognitive
letters
linguists
I
mean
this
is
eighth
grade.
I
don't
know
if
we
get
this
as
a
masters
in
our
in
our
universities
today,
geography.
What
is
climate
upon?
What
does
climate
depend?
How
do
you
account
for
the
extreme
of
climate
of
kansas,
describe
the
mountains
of
north
america
name
and
locate
the
principal
trade
centers?
B
B
H
H
Basically,
this
deals
with
this
last
amendment
deals
with
the
the
contracts,
the
lea
contracts
and
then
and
then
the
next
amendment
that
is
before
he
deals
with
the
lease.
I
I
mean
the
the
agency's
con,
the
agency's
contract,
so
basically
lea's
end
state.
Excuse
me,
so
we
have
to
get
all
of
them
before
you.
B
Okay:
let's
go
with
the
one
five
four
one:
three
amendment:
do
I
have
a
motion?
Second,
on
that
amendment:
okay,
any
objection
to
adding
that
amendment
to
the
bill
for
further
discussion.
Yes,
yes,
sir.
D
B
H
Okay,
so
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
just
the
whole
premise
of
this
is
to
make
sure
we
stay
within
the
tennessee
code
of
what
we're
dealing
with
in
this
distribution
of
obscene
materials.
So
one
five,
four
one
three
is
just
again:
it's
dealing
with
our
lea's
contracts.
H
B
B
D
B
Okay,
members,
do
you
have
any
objection
to
adding
this
amendment
on
to
the
bill?
As
cheerleader
weaver
has
indicated,
questions
been
called
in
all
those
in
favor
aye,
one
six,
seven
one
four
on
two
house
bill,
two
four,
five
four
and
it
keeps
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it.
You
have
both
amendments
on
your
bill.
H
You
chairman
members,
this
bill.
Simply
this
amendment
fills
a
gap
in
our
law
between
prohibiting
the
distribution
of
obscene
materials
that
are
harmful
to
minors,
and
it
ensures
that
the
law
is
followed,
as
it
applies
to
digital
content
provided
to
the
students
in
our
grades
of
k-12.
That's
all
the
bill
does
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
children
are
protected
protected
and
they
don't
see
things
that
you
can't
unsee
and
that's
what
this
bill
does.
I
Mr
chairman,
I've
received
several
concerns
from
librarians
and
others
across
the
state
of
tennessee
in
regard
to
this
legislation.
So
we
passed
a
bill
similar
to
this
on
the
house
floor
a
week
or
two
ago.
Is
this
similar
to
the
purpose
of
that
previous
bill,
but
just
dealing
with
the
those
types
of
materials
that
are
deemed
harmful
or
obscene
online
and
or
how
this
is
different.
H
I
You
and
so
right
now,
as
I
understand
the
law,
they
already
have
filters
and
are
required
to
have
these
filters,
and
these
contractors
are
required
to
have
these
to
prevent
materials,
and
it's
my
understanding
that
this
bill
would
broaden.
The
type
of
content
that
is
deemed
harmful
to
minors
is:
is
that
your
intent,
and
is
that
what
it
does.
H
That
is
not
the
intent.
The
intent
is
to
protect
our
children
and
the
intent
is
to
make
hold
accountable
those
those
vendors
that
serve
our
kids
in
k
through
12..
That's
the
intent
of
this
bill.
H
I
have
heard
of
some
yes
in
the
state
of
tennessee
I've
heard
where
children
will
use
their
ipad,
they
will
put
a
code
or
their
pass
code
in
and
there's
algorithms
in
the
searches
and
certain
algorithms
will
pull
up
certain
things.
I
find
that
unconscionable
through
through
k,
through
12.
I
Excuse
me:
follow-up
yeah.
If
there's
already
filters
on
those,
I'm
can
I'm
confused
as
to
how
that
is
not
being
addressed
already
and
how
it
doesn't
already
exist
under
existing
law
unless
you're
broadening
the
scope
of
what
is
deemed
harmful
to
minors
generally
weaver.
H
There
are
no
filters
on
these
vendors.
You
can
put
filters
on
other
aspects
of
the
internet,
but
you
could
like,
for
instance,
my
son
has
filters
on
their
phone
for
my
grandkids.
This
just
deals
with
the
vendors,
and
this
is
saying
to
the
vendors.
If
you're
going
to
do
business
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
we
want
to
make
sure
you
abide
by
our
law.
That
is
already
in
code,
do
not
violate
the
the
tennessee
code
we
currently
currently
have,
and
that
is
all
the
bill.
Does
it
doesn't
deal
with
books?
H
H
I
B
It
thank
you.
We
are
back
in
session
any
further
discussion.
You
withdraw
questions
been
called
any
objection
to
that
question.
B
B
E
You,
mr,
can
you
just
roll
it
to
the
hill
for
us
real,
quick.
While
we
contact
him
because
there
have
been
other
bills
that
have
been
presented
on
the
floor,
that
didn't
pass
in
the
senate.
B
Okay,
without
objection,
I
will
roll
house
bill
2604
to
the
hill
of
today's
calendar.
B
C
C
The
motivation
for
this
is
to
avoid
penalizing
tennessee
students
when
they
compete
with
students
from
other
states,
with
a
more
lenient
grading
scale
for
admissions
and
to
selective
universities
like
harvard
and
duke
or
as
they
compete
with
students
from
other
states
for
scholarship
money,
like
private
scholarship
money.
The
coca-cola
scholarship
things
like
that.
C
We
are
also
aware
that,
from
time
to
time,
students
move
into
the
state
of
tennessee,
we
have
military
families
that
are
transferred
into
the
state
of
tennessee,
and
when
this
happens,
there
are
some
cases
where
students
go
from
having
a
92
from
their
original
state,
which
is
an
a
to
a
the
92
being
coded.
As
a
b
in
tennessee,
I
think,
there's
even
anecdotal
evidence
that
a
family
has
moved
back
out
of
the
state
of
tennessee.
C
In
order
to
avoid
their
child's
gpa
dropping,
you
may
feel,
like
you've
heard
this
bill
before
it
was
originally
presented
and
passed
out
of
higher
education
sub
sent
to
this
committee.
This
committee
sent
it
back
to
higher
education,
maybe
for
the
lottery
calendar
or
the
last
calendar,
or
a
special
calendar.
It
passed
again
out
of
higher
education
sub,
and
so
it's
back
to
this
committee
for
a
second
time.
B
Okay
with
that
explanation,
we
also
there
is
an
amendment
that
we
adopted
last
time.
We
don't
need
to
adopt
it
again.
This
time
is
amendment
one
two,
six,
eight
nine,
I'm
being
told
so
the
bill
is
sending
well
from
that
perspective.
So
members
with
that
explanation
from
resident
bomb,
would
you
like
to
have
discussion
the
only
I
think
the
one
reason
it
was
sent
back
to
higher
education?
Is
we
had
a
lottery
calendar
by
changing
the
grades?
B
B
Having
said
that,
we
have
on
the
list.
If
they
desire
to
speak,
they
don't
have
to
t
hack
is
on
the
list
to
speak.
If
anybody
wants
to
ask
t
heck
a
question
about
that,
anyone
want
to
talk,
questions
be
called.
I
have
an
objection
to
that
question.
B
B
Hb
2606
item
12
is
represent,
gillespie
you're
recognized.
A
Motion
in
a
second
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
have
a
untimely
filed
amendment
that
I'd
like
to
add.
Oh
wait:
okay,.
B
B
One
second:
before
we
go
there,
you
have
an
amendment,
one
four,
five,
two
four:
we
need
to
add
first
to
your
bill,
any
objection
to
having
the
amendment
one
four,
five,
two
four:
this
is
a
cleanup
bill
to
house
bill.
2606.
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee,
so
what
this
amendment
does
in
section,
30
of
the
bill
in
part
b,
there's
just
a
part
that
says:
institutions
authorize
under
this
section,
there's
just
a
technical
glitch
there
that
doesn't
exist
and
we're
just
simply
removing
that.
B
B
A
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee.
What
this
legislation
does
is
it
just
further
defines
some
of
the
proprietary
information,
for-profit
education
sector
by
streamlining
the
state
authorization
process
by
reducing
the
regulatory
burdens
on
schools
and
aligning
the
wall
with
the
best
practices
in
the
field,
and
with
that
I
do
have
someone
from
key
heck.
If
y'all
do
want
to
go
to
session
and
ask
some
questions,
you
are.
B
Questions
you
called
for
on
the
bill,
so
t-heck
never
mind.
B
F
F
B
F
Does
okay
members
without
objection
will
vote
on
adding
the
amendment
to
the
bill
before
and
then
we'll
hear
explanation
on
the
bill
as
amended
all
those
in
favor.
Adding
the
amendment
to
the
bill
say:
aye
opposed
no
eyes
have
an
amendment
is
added
to
the
bill
with
that
chairman
white.
You
are
recognized
on
the
bill
as
amended.
B
Thank
you,
members
again.
This
is
like
the
one
that's
for
we
took
this
from
tennessee,
our
education
commission.
It's
a
cleanup
bill
that
they
brought
to
us.
It
deals
with
financial
aid
and
saves
money
for
the
state
by
cleaning
up
some
portions
of
the
code,
and
I
will
I
can.
We
can
have
t
heck
up
here
if
you'd
like
to
get
into
details
I'll,
be
glad
to.
E
Thank
you,
miss
chair,
you
know
we
don't
have
to
bring
tech
up
and-
and
you
know
and
go
through
that,
but
you
know
I
think
that
would
be
a
bit
extreme,
but
if
we
can
just
get
it
from
chairman
white,
what
the
bill
does
that.
I
think
that
might
suffice
for
me
instead
of
us
going
out
of
session,
if
that's
okay.
B
Quite
lengthy
four
score
and
seven
years
ago,
okay
basically
says
this
legislation
result
in
overall
savings
of
general
fund
dollars
of
10
500
and
a
minor
increase
in
lottery
related
expenditure
of
5200.
Nothing.
This
bill
will
substantially
change
any
existing
financial
aid
opportunity
for
tennessee
students,
no
students
will
be
will
be
gaining
or
losing
current
financial
aid,
and
no
existing
programs
are
being
taken
offline.
F
B
Okay,
with
with
the
committee's
permission
I
see
where
representative
mckenzie
has
walked
in,
we
did
wrote
to
the
hill,
but
we
have
one
more,
which
is
a
city
member.
So
we
are,
any
objection
is
going
back
to
house
bill
2604
and,
let's
hear
from
represent
mckenzie
got
a
motion.
Second,
sir
you're
recognized.
A
Chair
this,
this
bill
was
brought
to
me
by
my
good
colleague
from
knox
county
who
represents
the
current
community,
a
sixth
grader.
There
brought
this
bill,
and
it
just
simply
without
spending
additional
dollars,
allows
the
lease
to
appropriate
a
few
dollars
for
our
hard-working
teachers
to
allow
them
to
either
decorate
the
classroom
or
provide
supplies.
As
we
all
know,
backpack
giveaways
are
really
big
when
school
starts,
but
november
comes
around
and
pencils
get
a
little
short,
so
just
just
to
kind
of
help
them
out.
B
Okay,
sir,
you
have
an
amendment.
We
also
have
two
two
amendments,
but
one
by
a
different
member.
You
have
an
amendment
15024.
B
Yes,
would
you
like
to
consider
I'm
adding
that
I
would
like
to
have
that
you
got
a
motion.
Second,
it
does
rewrite
the
bill.
It
does
and
so
any
objection
to
hearing
none.
I
was
in
favor
adding
the
amendment
to
2604
indicators,
saying
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
so
your
bill
is
a
minute.
Was
that
the
explanation
you
just
gave.
B
Does
absolutely
before
we
go
on
the
next
amendment?
Any
members
have
any
discussion
on
that
for
the
representative.
E
You
parliamentary
question
parliamentarian
question:
I
guess:
do
we
adopt
this
amendment
and
then
listen
to
the
other
amendment,
or
do
we
listen
to
the
other
amendment
and
decide
which
one
we're
going
to
adopt.
B
G
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
before
we
proceed
represent
mckenzie
has
this
dollar
amount
set
at
a
hundred
dollars?
I
did
some
phone
calling
across
the
state
of
tennessee.
Just
to
just
to
see
is
this.
Is
this
enough?
I
mean
and
our
teachers
from
the
responses
I
received
were
between
260
and
350
bucks.
So
all
I
did.
I
just
split
the
difference
and
I
came
up
with
300,
I'm
hoping
it's
a
friendly
amendment.
G
A
I
J
B
G
B
I
was
just
thinking
we
could
put
this
in
the
tissue
form.
The
wrecking
rib
does
okay,
the
any
further
discussion.
Do
we
do.
B
Amendment
any
further
discussion
on
the
amendment
before
we
have
a
vote
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
one
house.
Excuse
me
amendment
one
six,
five,
three:
two
on
to
the
bill:
2
604
in
the
game
saying
aye
aye
opposed
guys
have
it
represent
kenzie
your
bill
has
been
mended
and
modified
and
you're
recognized.
B
B
Okay
members,
we
have
another
bill
on
the
calendar
today.
That
would
be
the
item
number
back
here
house
bill
1210
now
this
bill.
Let
me
have
your
attention
make
sure
we
do
everything
proper
in
order.
This
bill
was
before
us
last
year
last
session
and
is
being
asked
by
the
sponsor
to
be
asked
to
be
reconsidered,
so
to
be
reconsidered.
I
need
nine
yeses
on
the
motion
to
reconsider.
So
before
we
can
begin
discussion,
we've
got
to
go
through
that
process.
J
J
I
moved
to
withdraw
the
previous
amendment
we
adopted
last
time.
This
bill
was
before
us.
B
B
D
B
We're
getting
there
it's
our
audience,
it's
already
in
the
system.
He
wants
to
withdraw
this
and
it's
in
the
system
from
last
year.
Okay,
that's!
What's
going
on!
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
clarifying,
so
where
we
are
members
chairman
reagan
wants
to
withdraw
that
previous
amendment.
From
last
year
we
got
a
motion
in
a
second
all's
in
favor
of
removing
that
amendment,
please
indicate
saying
aye
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it
so
that
has
been
withdrawn
now.
What
amendment
would
you
prefer
to
add.
B
B
You
got
a
motion
to
have
a
second
second,
you
got
a
motion
in
a
second
okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
the
amendment,
one
six,
three
zero
two
onto
the
bill
and
it
came
to
say
aye
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
okay,
chairman
reagan,
your
bill
is
in
proper
order
for
the
committee
to
hear
it
and
discuss
it.
You're
recognized.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
bill,
as
amended
basically
very
simply
stated,
reiterates
the
definition
of
political
activity,
which
is
consistent
with
current
law
under
the
collaborative
conferencing
act
or
pekka,
which
is
in
tca
49-5602.
J
That's
subsection.
A
subsection
b
is
the
operative
provision.
It
amendments.
It
amends
current
law
to
prohibit
education
agencies
or
lease
from
deducting
dues
from
payroll
employee,
the
payroll
of
employees
for
membership
in
any
professional
employees
organization,
including
a
peo
that
is
affiliated
with
a
national
labor
organization
or
an
organization
through
a
system
of
unified
dues
or
unified
membership,
or
an
organization
that
funds
financially
supports
or
engages
in
political
activity.
J
Subsection
3
clarifies
that
nothing
in
this
bill
would
prohibit
teachers
from
personally
and
voluntarily
contributing
dues
to
any
professional
employees
organization
of
their
choice.
That's
a
simplified
explanation.
I
will
stress
again
that
it
applies
only
to
the
dues
of
professional
employees,
organizations,
no
other
dues,
whether
it's
insurance
or
whatever
else
is
affected.
J
The
bill
does
not
put
any
restrictions
on
teachers,
nor
does
it
otherwise
hamper
what
they
would
do.
This
bill
applies
only
to
the
lease
that
said,
the
original
law
and
inspiration
for
pekka,
which
is
the
professional
educators
collaborative
conferencing.
Act
applies
to
education
already
applies
to
educators,
so
this
is
not
new
it.
B
Okay,
we
do
have
three
speakers
have
been
asked.
First,
go
out
of
session
members,
you
have
any
questions
of
the
chairman
before
we
go
out
of
session.
K
Last
year,
orea
was
asked
to
research
the
payroll
deduction
provision
that
is
part
of
the
current
law
on
collaborative
conferencing
which
passed
in
2011.
and
through
our
research.
We
identified
about
21
districts
last
year
that
had
a
payroll
deduction
for
professional
employee
organization,
dudes
in
their
mou's
and
mou's,
are
the
memorandums
of
understanding
between
school
board
management
and
teacher
representatives,
but
more
districts
than
those
21
that
I
just
mentioned
had
payroll
deductions
for
teacher
association,
dues
at
least
10
districts.
K
We
identified
had
them
as
part
of
board
policies
and
a
number
of
other
districts
authorize
such
deductions
as
part
of
broader
policies
or
general
practice,
and
our
understanding
of
this
amendment
is
that
it
would
prohibit
all
districts
from
allowing
payroll
deductions
for
such
dues.
Whether
or
not
such
a
practice
is
part
of
a
memorandum
of
understanding,
and
that
concludes
my
remarks
this
afternoon.
Could.
K
I
think
what
I
was
trying
to
convey
is
that
we
researched
mousse
and
the
pekka
that
passed
in
2011,
and
we
found
that
there
were
some
districts
that
were
doing
deductions
through
the
mouss,
but
we
also
found
that
there
were
deductions
being
done
outside
of
the
mous
and
that
would
be
either
through
general
practice
or
policy.
K
And
so
our
understanding
of
this
amendment
is
that
is,
is
the
those
would
be
prohibited?
Whether
or
not
it's
part
of
an
mou.
B
But
if
I
may
ask
a
question,
make
sure
I
understand
as
we
go
through
this
process,
the
chairman
said
that
this
his
amendment
only
affected
professional
organizations.
Does
it
affect
anything
else
like
the
deductions
of
health
care
and
all
the
other
benefits
that
may
be
in
a
local
system
that
they
do
or
does
affect
this?
Only
what
the
chairman's
trying
to
get
at.
B
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
us
a
little
bit
more
detail.
I
know
you
mentioned
the
districts
that
had
ml.
Excuse
me,
mou's,
memorandums
of
understanding,
yeah
tell
us
what
that
looks.
Like
that's
a
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
lea
and
who,
and
how
is,
how
is
that
established.
K
But
it's
basically
an
agreement
that
they
come
to
for
various
things
that
they
negotiate
through.
That.
B
Okay
members,
further
questions
of
our
guest
james
pickey.
G
K
B
Yes,
sir
ribs,
thank
you,
chairman
white.
B
J
To
to
the
representative's
question,
the
answer
is
it's
a
mixed
bag.
They
may
opt
in
in
some
cases
and
others
they
don't
have
to
the
the
mou
piece
of
that
puzzle
is
whatever
that
negotiation
has
said
in
in
place.
J
Presumably
the
mous
say
that
the
individual
teacher
has
to
sign
some
sort
of
agreement
that
they
want
to
opt
in,
but,
as
was
pointed
out
here
that
of
the
21
that
are
in
place
and
the
other
agencies
that
don't
have
an
mlu
that
are
doing
this,
it's
impossible
for
me
to
say,
or
anyone
else
without
going
through
and
asking
everybody
how
they
do
it.
B
Represent
bomb:
okay,
okay,
we're
back
in
session.
Anybody
have
a
question
of
our
guests
for
release
them.
Thank
y'all,
don't
leave
the
room.
I
may
call
you
back
up.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
in
session
represent
cochran.
L
J
L
I
I
I
think
they
do,
I'm
pretty
sure
they
do,
because
I
think
I've
I've
seen
mailers
go
out
with.
Unless
someone
knows
very
differently.
I've
seen
mailers
go
out
with
tsea
on
it.
L
L
And
so-
and
I
was
just
if
chairman
doesn't
mind-
I
was
just
going
to
say
as
a
follow-up
to
that-
I'm
not
even
necessarily
opposed
to
the
concept
of
saying
you
know
as
a
state
we're
going
to
not
do
payroll
deductions
for
political
organizations,
we're
only
going
to
do
that
for
non-profits
and
and
other
I'm.
Okay,
I'm
okay
with
that
concept,
I'm
not
a
I'm
not
opposed
to
that.
L
I
feel,
though,
like
we're
kind
of
splitting
hairs
here
to
say
that
we
can't
do
it
for
for
a
teacher's
organization,
but
we
can
do
it
for
others.
I
would.
I
would
be
honestly
I'd
be
more
comfortable
just
saying
across
the
board
we're
ending
this
practice
that
that,
but
just
but
saying
that
we're
just
doing
one
rather
than
the
other.
I
think
that's
where
it
gets
a
little
complicated
for
me.
J
B
I
may
ask
a
question:
represent
cochrane,
so
what
are
you
saying
that
tsea
would
still
under
this
bill
would
still
be
allowed.
L
Chairman,
no,
I
I
do
not.
Yes,
I
believe,
under
this
bill,
this
bill
does
not
touch
tsea
at
all,
and
I
guess
that's
kind
of
my
problem
I
feel
like
as
a
general
assembly.
We
would
be
saying
that
it's
okay,
in
some
cases,
to
do
a
payroll
deduction
to
an
organization
that
protects
some
political
activities,
but
in
other
cases
it's
not
if
it's,
if
it's
a
teacher's
organization,
that's
not!
Okay,
that,
I
guess
that's
just
I
just
wanted
to
to
clarify
that
and
that
that's
kind
of
where
my
discomfort
with
the
bill
is.
B
Thank
you,
members
chairman
chairman
reagan,.
J
B
Another
questions
I
do
have
a
couple
more
speakers
had
had
requested
to
speak
without
objection
as
vincent
vernuccio.
B
M
Mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
testify
here
today.
My
name
is
vincent
vernuccio
and
I
am
a
senior
policy
advisor
with
workers
for
opportunity,
a
project
of
the
mackinac
center.
We
rise
here
in
support
of
sb1210
and
but
before
I
get
started,
I'd
just
like
to
take
a
personal
privilege,
and
this
may
seem
a
little
out
of
school.
M
But
I
would
like
to
congratulate
mr,
I
and
his
organization
on
a
wonderful,
wonderful,
easy
to
use
website
and
I
just
want
to
walk
through
this
very
quickly
go
to
their
website.
There's
a
big
green
button.
I
can
click
here
and
it
says
easy
pay
and
it
gives
instructions
of
how
to
pay.
In
fact,
it
says
need
to
change
the
way
you
pay
dues.
The
safe
and
secure
method
is
by
bank
draft
from
a
checking
or
savings
account
or
via
credit
card,
and
I
can
just
click
on
that
right
here.
M
It
takes
me
over
to
the
national
education
association,
where,
if
I
was
a
member
I
could
put
in
my
member
id
my
zip
code
and
then
switch
the
way
I
pay
dues
via
credit
card,
be
a
bank
account
just
like
I
pay
for
my
cable
bill.
My
internet
bill
my
phone
bill
simple
and
easy.
In
fact,
I
can
do
the
same
thing
if
I
want
to
join
and
can
go
back
and
I
can
just
do
join
today
and
if
I
click
the
click
the
button.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
M
M
M
The
bill
stops
taxpayers
from
being
the
bill
collector
for
professional
associations,
dues,
much
of
which
go
to
national
organizations
that
spend
it
on
politics.
In
fact,
the
nea
spends
over
twice
as
much
on
politics
and
lobbying
as
they
do
on
representation
according
to
the
tea's
own
bylaws
and
their
constitution,
to
be
a
tea
member,
you
have
to
be
an
nea
member,
so
you
were
forced
to
pay
for
nea
politics.
M
There's
been
a
lot
of
misconceptions.
We've
talked
about
some
of
them
first
to
pay
a
local
professional
association.
You
also
have
to
pay
the
national.
We
are
here
in
the
pekka,
so
that
is
why
we
are
only
talking
about
leas.
M
This
also
applies
to
any
future
agreements.
If
you
look
at
if
you
look
at
the
bill
text,
so
it
does
not
affect
current
memorandums
of
understanding.
It
also
only
applies
to
these
professional
association
dues
and
not
to
insurance
or
anything
else.
So
with
that,
I
would
be
happy
to
take
questions.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
members
with
that
explanation
from
mr
vernuccio
any
questions
of
our
guests.
G
M
Yes,
if
I
I
I
apologize,
there
were
two
buttons
on
there.
One
was
red,
one
was
blue.
I
clicked
the
join
now
red
button
and
it
took
me
to
the
nea
membership
forum.
Then
I
went
back
and
I
clicked
the
red
join
now
button
or
download
the
membership
form,
and
that
was
the
tea
slash.
Nea
membership
forum.
M
Not
according
to
their
constitution
and
bylaws,
it
says
to
be
a
member
of
one.
You
have
to
be
a
member
of
both.
Thank
you.
F
M
Section
two:
just
at
the
end
of
the
legislation
says
this
act
takes
effect
july,
1
2022,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
say
that
it
applies
to
agreements
entered
into
or
renewed
after
july.
1
2022,
so
current
mouss
would
stay
as
is,
but
any
new
mou
or
extended
or
renewed
mou.
They
would
be
affected,
so
it
would
not
affect
those
current
mousse.
F
B
Thank
you
further
questions,
mr
valencia.
B
Thank
you,
jeremy's,
a
piggy
can't
look
like
mine,
okay!
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
we're
back
in
session.
For
the
moment
we
do
have
one
more
speaker
as
requested
any
questions
of
the
bill
sponsor
before
we
go
back
out
of
session.
N
On
here
we
go
jim
ryan,
tennessee
education
association,
couple
of
things
to
clear
up
quickly
from
what
I
just
heard.
First,
the
amendment
that
has
been
adopted-
I
will
read
from
the
amendment
an
lea-
shall
not
deduct
dues
from
payroll
of
an
employee
for
a
professional
employees
organization
as
defined
in
495-602
right
that
is
referencing
the
pekka
law,
but
that
is
covering
teacher
associations.
N
This
bans
payroll
dues
deduction
everywhere
in
the
state.
That's
what
this
bill
does
all
right.
So
a
point
was
made
and
I
think
it's
really
important
leas
by
their
their
own
act,
offer
payroll
deduction
slots
for
a
variety
of
things
could
be
secondary
insurance.
It
could
be
a
number
of
different
things
and
then
also
they
may
it's
permissive
offer
a
payroll
slot
for
their
professional
association,
a
lot
of
leas
outside
of
pekka.
Let's
just
put
that
aside,
this
is
not
a
pekka
bill
anymore.
N
This
is
a
ban
on
payroll
deduction
for
every
lea
across
the
state.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
pekka.
This
says
this
is
a
payroll
deduction
ban
period.
Now
I
appreciated
some
of
the
questions
on
here
too,
because
when
we
look
at
this
bill,
it
is,
as
the
chairman
did
mention-
aims
at
teacher
organizations.
N
That's
what
this
does
very
specific
495-602.
It's
just
for
organizations
like
myself,
the
one
I
I
work
for
and
that
I
belong
to,
and
so
I
want
to
be
very
clear
on
the
adoption
of
this.
A
couple
of
other
things
are
brought
up.
You're
right.
This
does
focus
only
on
teacher
organizations
not
on
state
employees,
not
on
firefighters,
with
iaff,
not
police
officers
with
fop.
N
It
is,
as
the
chairman
says,
it
aims
at
teacher
organizations
all
right.
I
have
worked.
I
work
for
a
156-year
old
organization
in
tennessee
people
can
join,
teachers
can
join,
teachers
can
drop.
We
do
have
a
unified
do
structure
right
that
if,
when
you
join
tea,
you're
joining
your
local
and
you
join
nea.
N
N
As
granted
by
leas
when
they
granted,
it
is
something
that
teachers
have
used
and
this
just
takes
it
away
so
says
no
for
you,
folks,
you
can't
do
this,
leaving
payroll
slots
right
now
in
lease
for
a
variety
of
other
things
that
also
do
advocacy
and
it
treats
us
completely
different
than
other
other
employee
organizations
and
entities.
B
B
N
N
That
but
the
enacting
clause
and
legal
can
go
in
this.
The
main
part
of
that
the
including
afterwards,
is
actually
superfluous
to
what
the
bill.
Actually,
what
that
section
does
and
lea
shall
not
deduct
dues
from
the
payroll
of
an
employee
for
a
professional
employees
organization
as
defined
in
49.5602.
That's
tea,
that's
pet!
That's
christian,
educators,
any
other,
any
organization
that
is
defined
in
the
law,
but
what
it
is
saying
clearly
right
here
and
I
have
my
attorneys
that
we've
gone
over
it
with
a
fine-tooth
home.
N
This
eliminates
all
payroll
deduction
for
every
lea,
regardless.
If
we
are
engaged
in
collaborative
conferencing
which
we've
endeavored
to
make
work,
I
think
it
works
well
this,
for,
if
an
lea
has
this
and
we've
never
even
engaged
in
collaborative
conferencing.
B
Okay,
chairman
aston.
D
A
N
N
If
you
have
a
veteran
teacher
like
to
join
or
you
have
other
teachers
coming
into
the
profession,
they
it's
a
voluntary,
it's
it's
up
to
the
professional
employee
to
join.
There
is
no
automatic
enrollment
and
by
the
way
we
would
never
want
to
automatically
enroll
anybody.
You
want
members
that
want
to
be
in
your
organization.
N
No
and
brewery
so
the
membership
of
of
the
organization
that
I
work
for
and
belong
to,
the
bylaws
and
the
constitution
are
set
by
the
membership
right.
This
is
not
some.
N
We
are
a
100
governed
organization
by
the
teachers
and
in
our
bylaws
we
have
a
unified
dues
structure.
So
if
you
want
to
only
join
the
local,
because
I'm
interested
in
this,
no
you
need
to
join
the
state
and
the
national
right
and
every
teacher
that
joins
our
organization,
understands
that
and
and
we're
very
proud
to
represent
a
large
portion
of
teachers
in
our
state.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
may
be
asking
the
same
question
a
different
way,
but
I
just
want
clarity
on
this.
Does
your
organization
force
any
lea
to
have
automatic
payroll
deduction.
N
N
It
can
be
asked
in
a
negotiation
where
we
do
collaborative
conferencing,
but
the
vast
majority
of
leas
that
provide
payroll
deduction
just
do
it
because
they
think
it's
a
valid.
A
valid
area
for
a
payroll
slot
is
the
same
with
secondary
insurance
or
other
things.
Jiren
hurt.
F
G
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
are
there
to
your
knowledge
across
state
of
tennessee.
Are
there
are
there
dues
being
collected
by
an
lea
that
are
not
part
of
an
mou.
N
Yeah,
mr
you
recognized
yes,
that
many
leas
across
the
state
provide
a
payroll
slot
for
for
professional
dues.
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
not
part
of
an
mou
or
we've
not
engaged
in
collaborative
conferencing
at
all.
N
Okay,
so
then
we
get
into
something
that
we've
discussed
previously,
that
an
lea
that
there
would
be
a
cost
to
their
payroll
department
payroll
offers.
I
mean
the
the
least
and
their
staff
offer
payroll
to
do's
payroll
deduction
slots
for
a
variety
of
things
right:
it's
not
just
professional
associations
or
secondary
insurance.
N
They
can
offer
something
of
you
know
with
credit
unions,
christmas
clubs
they
do
that
because
they
feel
that
that
is
a
a
good
service
to
provide
their
teachers
and
so
that
lease
have
done
that
and
and
can
to
understand
that
they
they
can
work
it
in
their
payroll
department
and
and
if
they
grant
it.
That's
terrific.
B
B
In
tennessee,
correct,
okay,
are
they
all
active
or
the
retired
teachers.
B
Okay,
let
me
ask
this
question:
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
this
out,
I'm
just
my
position,
I'm
just
trying
to
be
fair,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
exactly
what
would
be
fair,
as
mr
vinuccio
pointed
out,
what
is
the
harm
with
ta
with
other
professional
organizations?
You
go
on
the
website
and
if
you
want
to
be
a
member,
you
just
go
on
the
website
and
you
join.
B
N
We
have
members
that
pay
their
membership,
dues
by
bank
draft
or
other
other
means.
What
this
bill
is
doing,
though,
is
it
singles
us
out
to
say,
but
you
cannot
pay
dues
by
payroll
deduction
and
here's
the
here's.
The
point,
I
would
say
many
members
for
a
number
of
years
have
been
using
payroll
deduction
and
then,
if
this
bill,
as
amended
passes,
they
will
no
longer
be
able
to
do
that,
because
a
state
law
now
says
you
cannot
do
that
and
that
will
and
teachers
will
ask
well
why.
Why
are
we?
N
I
don't
know
aimed
at
picked
on?
Why
were
we
singled
out
that
I
now
have
to
convert
and
to
move
this
over
payroll
deduction?
Is
a
convenience?
Payroll
deduction
is
something
that
leas
grant
and
having
a
bill
that
bans
the
practice
statewide
for
every
lea
we
feel
is
unfair
and
singles
us
out.
Okay,.
N
N
B
Thank
you,
chairman
speaker.
I
see
your
hand
up.
G
So
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
switch
gears
just
a
little
bit
here,
and
that
was
the
reason
why
I
asked
a
question
about:
if
can
you
be
a
tea
member
without
joining
the
national
organization?
The
answer
was
no,
however,
with
tsea
or
the
firefighters
or
the
state
troopers,
you
can
join
their
their
local,
their
local
group,
but
are
not
required
to
join
a
national
organization.
G
G
N
N
It
is
clear
when
people
join
tea,
that
we
have
a
unified
do
structure
and
that
you
know,
when
a
teacher
would
ask
about
you
know
nea,
would
we
that
they
have
a
clear
understanding
of
what
they're
joining
and
to
be
clear?
N
What
is
our
focus
at
in
washington
to
to
safeguard
critical
k-12
dollars,
whether
it's
title,
one
idea
and
so
on?
But
nobody,
nobody
in
this
state
is
ever
forced
and
if
they
don't
want
to
join
tea,
they
don't
join
gea.
L
Thank
you.
I
was
just
gonna
offer
a
little
bit
of
clarity
to
a
question
you
asked
earlier
about,
can
can
teachers
join
other
organizations
or
I
was
going
to
say
just
to
clarify
a
little
bit
in
a
lot
of
counties
you
at
counties
under
the
81
financial
act,
for
instance,
you
have
a
centralized
finance
office,
and
so
really
all
employees
are
kind
of
looked
at
the
same
as
far
as
any
kind
of
payroll
deduction.
L
I
was
just
going
to
say
that,
just
as
a
point
of
clarity,
not
just
teachers,
but
in
a
lot
of
counties,
they
are
just
sort
of
lumped
into
a
centralized
finance
office
and
while
there's
you
know,
you
can
tell
the
difference
between
teachers
and
other
county
employees
as
far
as
the
the
financial
practices
of
that
county
everyone's
treated
the
same
and
it's
just.
If
you
have
a
certain
amount
of
people
who
want
a
particular
deduction,
you
can
qualify
to
to
have
that
deducted.
If
that's
the
county's
policy
just
was
going
to
offer
a
little
clarity.
B
Thank
you.
That's
helpful,
represent
partisan.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
miss
chair,
and
I
really
didn't
want
to
chime
in
on
this
conversation,
but
I
just
I
think,
it's
important
to
bring
factual
information
too,
that
you
know
I
was
a
firefighter
for
25
years
and
and
part
of
the
local
with
shelby
county,
and
we
were
also
part
of
our
national
when
we
joined
the
locals.
So
you
know,
firefighters
do
the
same
thing.
It's
it's
not
it's
not
a
big
deal
or
anything
new
in
regards
to
the
nationals.
Thank
you,
sir.
N
That
was
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
that
was
my
understanding
with
the
iaff
and
also
often
with
the
fop
that
they're
also
belong
to
their
national
organization.
You
know
it's,
it's
not
an
uncommon
practice,
but
again,
I
would
reiterate
too
it's
clear
in
the
membership
forms
it's
clear
on
everything
that
we
discussed
with
both
the
membership
internally
and
when
people
ask
to
join
that
they
understand
what
that
is
as
far
as
our
unified
due
structure.
That
is
something
that
the
membership
has
voted
on
and
we
are
a
hundred
percent
governed
by
our
membership.
B
Okay,
we
are
in
one
moment
we're
still
out
of
session.
N
J
J
Furthermore,
it's
up
to
us
to
make
it
easy
for
our
citizens
to
comply
with
state
law.
If
the
tea
allows
members
to
submit
dues
through
bank
draft
which,
by
the
way
I'll
point
out
that
p-e-t
and
some
other
organizations
do
as
well
no
problem,
they
can
engage
in
whatever
activities
they
want
to
it's
when
they
tie
that
money
being
collected
by
a
subunit
of
state
government
and
sent
to
them
that's
violating
our
law
and
just
for
clarity,
let
me
read
you
word
for
word
what
this
says.
J
J
That
section
applies
only
to,
and
I
can
read
it
if
you
want,
or
we
can
have
legal
read
it.
It
applies
to
educators
period,
it
doesn't
apply
to
firefighters
or
police,
or
anybody
else.
We're
talking
about
educators,
slash
teachers
continuing
including
professional
employees,
organization
that
is
affiliated
with
a
labor
organization
incorporated
under
26
us
code
501c5
through
a
system
of
unified
dues
or
unified
membership
or
an
organization
that
funds-
and
this
is
the
key
part
financially
supports
or
engaged,
is
in
political
activity.
J
J
J
This
opinion
makes
it
very,
very
clear,
there's
a
bright
line
between
a
professional
organization
that
is
just
there
to
represent
their
members
and
and
help
them
out,
as
opposed
to
one
that
engages
in
political
activity,
and
again
I
want
to
emphasize
political
activity
includes
things
that
we
have
been
wrestling
with
in
the
general
assembly.
J
J
This
article
goes
on
to
cite
others,
which
I
won't
waste
your
time
going
through,
except
to
point
out
that
the
nea
has
positions
on
non-binary,
trans
people
etc
again
we're
in
the
political
realm.
This
is
not
education.
This
is
not
a
professional
organization.
This
is
political
activity
and
the
law
that
I
cited
to
you
prohibits
that
the
bill
that
is
before
you
makes
it
impossible
for
them
to
violate
this
law
when
the
or
orea
was
up
here.
J
J
J
B
B
Thank
you
very
much.
We
oh.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee,
and
for
those
of
you
on
the
subcommittee.
I
apologize
for
repeating
myself,
but
this
bill
would
require
the
state
of
tennessee
to
provide
free,
school-based,
breakfast
and
lunches
to
every
child
in
tennessee
public
schools.
Since
before
1956,
the
state
of
tennessee
has
provided
free
textbooks
to
every
child
attending
public
schools
throughout
the
state
of
tennessee.
I
We
we
mandate
children
to
attend
schools,
and
this
simply
makes
sense
to
make
all
meals
at
school
free
of
charge.
And,
of
course,
the
bill
requires
leas
and
the
state
to
exhaust
all
federal
programs
as
well
to
reduce
costs.
Providing
free
school
meals
for
all
children
in
tennessee
is
supported
by
90
percent
of
parents
across
the
state.
According
to
a
vanderbilt
center
for
child
health
policy
poll,
the
results
of
which
were
released
in
march
last
month
march
of
2022.
I
This
well-supported
initiative
to
provide
free
school-based
meals
would
help
meet
the
basic
nutritional
needs
of
children
require
a
seed
in
the
educational
environment
when
asked
about
their
household's
ability
to
afford
food.
Over
the
past
12
months,
over
30
percent
of
parents
reported
some
level
of
food
insecurity.
Within
the
past
year,
nearly
45
percent
of
parents
reported
their
families,
received
support
from
a
food
or
nutrition
assistance
program,
including
free
reduced
meals.
I
I
I
I
I
am
fully
aware
of
the
fiscal
note
on
this
legislation
and
I'd
just
like
to
see
this
bill
move
on
expressing
the
sentiment
of
this
committee.
B
Thank
you,
mr
clemens.
I
don't
think
there's
anybody
on
the
committee
who
wouldn't
agree
that
every
child
needs
to
eat,
and
so
I
think
that
the
concept
is.
But
my
question
is
you
got
a
three
quarters
of
a
billion
dollar
physical
note
and
finance
is
full?
Oh,
so
what
are
your
plans
moving
forward.
I
I
Well,
it
did
over
collect
1.8
billion
dollars
between
august
and
january
this
fiscal
year
we're
sitting
on
a
pretty
large
substantial
reserves
of
16
plus
billion
or
recurring
six
billion
of
which
are
an
education
fund
and
then
we're
you
know
looking
to
increase
the
rainy
day
fund
to
1.6
billion
dollars
this
year.
So
I
think
the
question
and
the
discussion,
that's
worthy
of
discussion
in
the
finance
committee
is
what
are
our
state's
priorities
and
our
financial
priorities
as
a
legislative
body?
And
again
you
know
I.
I
don't
expect
this
committee
to
have
that
discussion.
I
That's
not
necessarily
in
our
purview
in
here,
but
I
would
love
to
have
that
conversation
in
the
finance
committee.
Mr
chairman,
okay,.
J
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
what
we
have
is
we
have
families
who
experience
food
insecurity,
and
I
think
that
we
have
an
incredible
issue
with
poverty
across
the
state
of
tennessee
in
west
tennessee
alone,
we
have
32
percent
of
families,
experience
food
insecurity
and
middle
tennessee,
31
percent
of
families
in
east
tennessee.
We
have
31
percent
of
families
as
well
that
experience
food
insecurity.
I
This
is
not
always
the
result
of
poor
parenting
or
neglect.
This
is
a
result
of
poverty
which
can
be
generational
and
is
often
generational,
and
so
you,
you
have
a
lot
of
circumstances
that
are
outside
the
control,
sometimes
of
individuals.
I
I
would
say
that
if,
if
someone
has
the
means
and
is
intentionally
failing
to
provide
their
child
with
food,
that
is
certainly
within
the
definition
of
state
code.
That
is
not
what
we're
seeking
to
do
here
or
really
of
relevance
here.
You
know
every
parent
has
the
ability
to
not
every
parent,
but
some
parents
have
the
ability
to
pay
for
textbooks
and
their
child's
public
schools,
but
we
provide
free
textbooks.
J
J
J
I
A
A
Those
people
are
going
to
be
taxed
just
like
the
highest
earners
in
this
state
would
be
taxed
to
pay
for
this
food
for
everybody,
including
those
that
can
already
afford
it
themselves,
and
I
would
suggest
history
would
suggest
not
just
me
that
you
move
people
closer
to
that
poverty
line
by
increasing
their
expenses
having
to
pay
for
programs.
These
social
programs,
it's
a
dangerous,
it's
a
noble
cause.
It
always
is,
but
the
end
result.
You
will
make
more
people
poorer
and
have
fewer
than
70
people
that
are
capable
of
taking
care
of
their
own
children.
A
E
Thank
you
miss
chair.
Well,
you
know:
listen,
let's,
let's
look
at
the
moral
thing,
let's
feed
the
kids.
I
don't
even
know
why
we
even
having
a
big
debate
about
this.
If,
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
let
this
representative
go
and
fight
for
this
bill
with
through
in
fiscal,
then
the
right
thing
to
do
is
just
move
this
bill
and
let
him
deal
with
it
in
fiscal.
E
Secondly,
most
of
us
know
that
the
governor
is
going
to
proposing
a
tax
reduction
in
groceries,
for
I
think
what
30
days
or
something
like
that,
that's
proposed
in
this
budget,
most
of
us
up
here,
are
going
to
support
that
tax
reduction
in
groceries,
groceries
that
are
purchased
are
going
to
feed
the
kids
right,
but
they
are
going
to
get
a
reduction
in
their
taxes
to
feed
the
kids
they're
already
paying
taxes
for
their
schools
so
to
to
say
that
some
taxpayer
is
going
to
be
burdened
by
another
taxpayers
opportunity
for
their
kids
to
be
fed.
E
E
If
you
look
at
it
on
the
graph,
and
so
I
would,
I
would
say,
let's,
let's,
let's
be,
let's
not
play
politics
number
one
and
I
did
not
call
any
names
before
you
try
to
run
me
off
with
breaks
and
pitchforks,
I'm
just
saying:
let's
not
play
politics
and
unless,
let's
let's,
let's
have
cooler
heads,
I
know
there's
been
some
contentious
debate
going
on
in
this
committee
and,
let's
think
about
children,
let's
think
about
children.
We
have
a
lot
of
poverty
in
our
state.
E
This
would
also
remove
the
embarrassment
and
the
singling
out
of
some
children
and
and
and
the
pride
if
everyone
is
able
to
eat
at
an
equal
level
and
and
and
lastly,
mr
chair
as
a
democrat
as
a
democrat.
E
Our
our
caucus
is
about
health.
Our
our
agenda
caucus
agenda
is
about
health
education
and
how
do
we
put
more
money
into
the
households
of
the
people
that
we
serve?
That's
our
agenda
and
and
I'm
getting
to
appointments
chairs
just
stay
on
the
bill.
Yes,
sir,
it's
on
the
bill.
I
promise
you
this
mr
chair,
thank
you,
health
education
and
how
we
put
more
money
into
the
households
by
allowing
the
kids
to
eat,
supports
health.
E
B
D
D
D
One
possible
way
is
to
make
sure
that,
at
least
on
that
monday
and
tuesday,
wednesday,
thursday
and
friday
morning
and
afternoon,
when
they
go
into
those
classrooms,
they
would
have
have
eaten
and
can
concentrate
on
what
the
professor,
the
teacher,
the
instructor
is
disseminating
to
them,
and
so
I
just
would
encourage
my
colleagues
think
about
it
again
that
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
be
consistent
with
what
we
have
said.
My
colleague
just
stated
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
have
a
grocery
tax
that
will
support
and
in
that
grocery
tax.
D
D
Some
can
afford
to
pay
the
tax.
Maybe
some
can,
but
we
say,
as
a
general
rule,
we
will
try
to
encourage
that
everybody
will
have
the
opportunity
to
get
a
little
bit
of
a
break
and
and
be
ready
for
school.
So,
thanks
chairman,
thank
you
for
committing
members
for
enduring
my
short
wednesday
sermon.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
take
just
an
opportunity.
I
think
this
was
discussed
a
little
bit
in
subcommittee,
but
to
first
provide
some
clarity
because
from
what
I'm
hearing
it
makes
it
sounds
like
our
schools
are
sending
children
to
the
lunch
lines
and
without
food
and
going
to
sit
down
and
not
feeding
them.
I
know
I
could
stand
corrected,
but
I
believe
in
two
of
the
counties
in
my
district
all
children
eat
for
free.
Now
what
that
qualifies
under,
I
don't
know.
F
Maybe
somebody
could
provide
some
clarity,
but
I
think
my
question
to
the
sponsor
would
be-
and
I
think
you
refer
to
this
in
the
subcommittee,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we
provided
clarity
today,
there's
a
federal
lunch
program
that
provides
assistance
to
children
that
that
need
help.
So
how
would
this
interact
with
that
program?
That's
already
in
in
existence,
mr
sponsor.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
hurt,
then
chairman
white
yeah.
So
what
this
bill
does?
It
simply
allows
us
to
continue
using
those
programs.
I
It
encourages
the
leas
to
use
those
programs
that
what
you're
talking
about
is
the
community
eligibility
grant
that
even
davidson
county
used
several
years
ago
before
they
let
it
lapse
right
now,
most
school
districts
are
still
under
they
they
put
an
one
in
during
the
pandemic,
but
it
will
end
so
most
school
districts
are
are
getting
pre-launched
right
now,
but
that
program
will
end
and
then
you
would
have
to
go
back
into
we're,
probably
going
to
revert
back
to
the
way
it
was
where
your
lea
applied
for
that
grant
through
usda
through
via
the
state,
and
then
of
course,
we
have
snap
program
and
free
and
reduced
lunch.
I
You
know
able
to
apply
those,
but
then
everybody
else
would
be
on
the
same
page,
and
so
it's
really
an
equity
issue
and,
as
you
know,
to
qualify
for
those
federal
programs,
you're
you're,
you
have
to
have
a
certain
percentage
of
your
district
eligible
for
free
and
reduced
lunch,
and-
and
so
you
have
a
certain
poverty
level
within
your
laa
itself,
to
even
qualify
to
apply
for
those
programs
and
then
a
lot
of
tennesseans-
and
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
says
it's
alarmingly
high-
actually
to
qualify
for
free,
induced
lunch
and
the
federal
poverty
level.
I
There's
a
a
an
interesting
percentage
of
tennessee
families
that
are
just
above
it,
and
so
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
know
they
have
ample
money
to
spend.
It
means
their
day,
just
because
of
the
numbers
are
right
above
it.
So
you
know
if
the
limits
27
500
in
tennessee,
for
that
family
they
may
have
30
000,
which
doesn't
mean
they're
wealthy
by
any
stretch.
Imagination
and
they're
actually
stretched
thin
to
put
their
child
in
the
door
and
feed
them,
and
and
so
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
those
programs
exist.
I
B
B
What
we're
having
a
debate
on
is
is
really
you
know
at
what
point
does
it
do
more
harm
than
good
when
you
take
taxpayer
money
to
to
help
out
things?
So
that's
kind
of
the
bait
we're
having
not
whether
or
not
we
want
to
provide
representative
clemens
concept
is
a
good
thing.
We're
just
having
the
debate
on.
How
far
do
you
go?
Chairman
reagan,
you're,
recognized.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
the
sponsor
can
correct
me
if
I'm
an
error
here,
but
I
I
do
not
believe
this
is
permissive.
I
believe
it's
mandatory.
If,
if
I'm
incorrect,
I
stand
ready
to
be
corrected
there.
Also.
I
will
point
out
that,
for
those
leas
that
choose
to
do
this
on
their
own
hook,
the
voters
in
their
district
can
go
to
their
local
school
boards
and
vote
for
or
against
it
as
they
choose.
J
I
see
no
reason
that
we
should
be
helping
people
that
can
afford
to
live
in
million
dollar
homes
feed
their
kids
at
school.
From
that
standpoint,
that's
what
this
bill
does.
I
have
no
problem
whatsoever,
as
the
chairman
indicated,
feeding
those
who
are
in
need-
and
we
have
methods
and
means
already
in
place
for
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
Thank
you.
Let
me
go
to
chairman
to
pick.
He
hasn't
spoke
and
then
I'll
come
back
to
you
to
wrap
it
up.
E
Thank
you,
miss
chair,
and
I
just
want
to
quickly
follow
up
with
chairman
reagan's
point
about
people
that
can
afford
it,
but
we're
not
going
to
exclude
williamson
county
from
the
tax
break
on
the
groceries
and
we're
not
going
to
exclude
any
other
affluent
community,
and
so
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
cognizant
of
that
too.
Everybody
gets
that
break
and
everybody
across
the
state
should
get
this
other
breakthrough
for
their
children.
Thank
you,
sir.
We
want
to
feed
them.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
chairman
spiggy
quest
called
the
question.
Okay,
in
the
objection
to
the
question
we're
now
voting
on
house
bill
1744.,
it
would
go
to
finance
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
out
to
finance
indicator.
Saying
aye
aye
opposed
okay,
the
eyes
have
it
does
move
out
to
finance.
Thank
you
all
for
this
spirited
debate.
Today
we
have
some
good
bills.
Committee.