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House Education Administration Committee- March 23, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
Okay,
welcome
everyone.
Sorry,
a
few
minutes
late,
the
house
education
administration
committee.
We
have
a
full
calendar
today,
but
members
may
take
some
bills
out
of
order
because
we've
got
some
guest
speakers
and
some
of
our
members
have
to
leave
early.
Well,
I
think
we
got
a
is
it
a
basketball
game
tonight
represent
conquering
yesterday
you
reckon
yes,
okay!
Well,
let's
have
the
clerk
call
the
roll.
Then
we
get
into
all
that.
Well,
the
clerk
call
the
roll.
Please.
B
A
A
C
C
We
thank
you
for
the
privilege
of
living
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
and
all
that
comes
with
it
dear
lord,
please
be
with
us,
as
we
make
important
decisions
on
this
committee
today
and
throughout
the
rest
of
the
year,
and
please
be
with
watch
over
each
and
every
one
of
our
students,
teachers,
administrators,
all
of
our
schools
throughout
our
state.
Dear
lord,
and
we
pray
that
your
will
will
be
done
in
jesus
name.
We
pray,
amen.
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D
A
A
D
D
D
It
also
adds
a
requirement
for
the
institute
to
provide
programming
for
the
ut
system,
changes
the
board
of
fellow
fellows
appointments
from
requiring
the
governor
and
the
speaker's
approval
to
requiring
the
consultation
with
the
governor
and
speakers,
and
it
also
at
the
end,
adds
staggered
terms
for
the
board
of
fellows
and
as
a
whole.
What
this
legislation
does
is.
It
creates
an
institute
for
american
civics
at
the
university
of
tennessee
in
knoxville.
D
The
institute
may
enroll
students
into
a
degree
granting
program,
provide
general
education
courses
to
other
students
at
the
university
of
tennessee,
hire
faculty
and
staff
host
events
and
provide
internships
and
other
relevant
experiences
to
students
and
the
general
public.
The
institute
will
foster
a
deeper
understanding
of
the
structures
and
institutions
of
federal
state
and
local
government.
It
also
furthers
the
understanding
of
principles
and
philosophies
that
contributed
to
the
foundation
and
development
of
the
united
states,
the
state
of
tennessee.
D
D
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B
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A
B
The
amendment
adds
to
in
section
c
provides
proof
of
pairing
with
a
highly
effective
mentor
teacher
and
completion
of
coursework
in
classroom
management
management
pedagogy
serving
students
with
disabilities
and
english
learners
and
the
teachers
code
of
ethics.
So
it
just
adds
in
there
provide
proof
of
pairing
with
highly
effective
mentor
teachers
and
completion.
Of
course,
work.
A
Got
a
motion
to
have
a
second
on
the
amendment
I
for
one.
I
appreciate
you
working
with
d.o.e
on
this.
We,
I
love
your
bill.
I
think
we
need
to
get
more
cte
teachers
into
our
young
people,
but
working
with
doe
to
clarify
some
things
is
good
members.
Discussion
on
the
amendment.
Is
there
any
or
is
there
any
objection
to
adding
this
amendment
onto
the
bill?
A
I
hear
no
objection.
All
those
in
favor
of
adding
amendment
16328
on
the
house
bill
two
four,
five,
five
and
it
came
to
say
a
ni
opposed
I
as
have
it.
Your
amendment
has
owned
your
bill,
any
full
discussion
on
your
bill.
No
sir
question
being
called.
Do
I
have
an
objection
to
that
question:
hearing
none
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
house
bill,
2455
out
to
finance
ways
and
means,
and
they
keep
saying
aye
opposed.
B
A
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A
E
E
A
A
That's
correct:
it
does
rewrite
the
bill.
You
got
a
motion,
a
second
members,
any
objection
to
add
it
to
the
bill
before
we
discuss
the
bill
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor,
adding
amendment
14369
to
house
bill
650
and
they
keep
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we're
now
back
on
your
bill,
you
may
describe
your
bill.
F
A
A
G
A
It
rewrites
the
bill,
it
does
okay,
members
any
any
objection
to
adding
it
to
the
amendment
for
proper
discussion
to
the
bill.
I
mean
then
hear
any
objections.
So
all
those
in
favor
one
five,
six,
five,
eight
being
added
to
house
bill,
two
four
three
six
indicate
saying:
aye
opposed
guys.
Have
it
go
ahead
and
describe
what
we're
doing?
I
think.
G
Mr
chairman
members,
and
what
what
I'm
trying
to
do
with
this
piece
of
legislation
is
this
that,
if
a
if
a
student
finishes
high
school
and
graduates
in
their
junior
year
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
take
advantage
of
the
scholarship
money
leaves
the
hope,
the
hope
scholarship
there.
Currently
there's
not
a
mechanism
for
them
to
go
ahead
and
take
that
scholarship
money
and
go
ahead
and
move
forward
to
college,
and
this
this
would
fix
that.
G
So
that's
my
intent
behind
this
legislation
allow
these
kids
that's
worked
really
hard
to
graduate
early
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
without
their
parents
having
to
take
out
loans
or
find
some
other
ways
to
go
ahead
and
fund
their
first
first
year
college
and
then-
and
last
thing
we
want
to
do-
is
have
a
student.
That's
worked
really
hard
to
have
to
sit
out
a
year
because
they
may
lose
focus
and
and
not
not
move
forward
like
they're
like
they've
planned.
So
that's
what
this
legislation
is
intended
to
do.
H
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
this.
I
will
be
in
total
support
and
just
real
quick
of
course
hope
scholarship
wasn't
around.
When
my
daughter
was
in
high
school.
She
ended
up
leaving
high
school
december
of
her
senior
year.
She
just
turned
17
because
she
had
taken
everything
had
four
point:
some
something
grade
point
average
just
like
her
mother
and
and
why
you
all
think
that's
funny.
H
H
By
the
time
she
graduated
from
central
high
school
and
graduated
in
three
years
with
another
four
point
top
of
her
in
at
university
of
tennessee,
but
I
say
that
because
there
are
lots,
a
lot
of
her.
Other
friends
were
like
that.
I
say
that
this
is
to
me,
I
think,
a
great
bill
and
it's
a
great
encourager
for
those
students
that
that
have
done
all
and
they
want
to
move
on
to
that
next
step
and
that
she
said
I
don't
want
to
waste
any
time.
A
Thank
you,
representative
hakeem
question
has
been
called
for
any
objection.
Hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor
moving
house
bill,
2436
out
to
finance
ways
and
means
indicative,
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
committee
item
seven
house
bill
2249
by
chairman
vaughn,
who
represents
that
other
place
down
in
shelby
county
other
than
germantown.
A
A
Okay,
this
amendment
does
rewrite
the
bill
chairman,
vong
members,
rewrites
the
bill
bill,
any
objection
to
adding
it
to
the
bill
for
proper
discussion
here.
No
objection
we're
on
amendment
one
six,
one,
two,
seven,
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
it
to
house
bill
two
two
four
nine
indicators
saying
aye
opposed
guys
have
it
your
bill
is
properly
amended.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Last
year,
when
we
brought
forward
our
nil
or
name
image
and
likeness
compensation
bill
for
collegiate
athletes,
we
were
in
the
I
guess
the
first
10
of
the
nation
who
did
so
that
the
ability
to
do
that
was
brought
about
by
a
court
case
brought
by
ed
o'bannon,
who
did
not
like
his
images
being
on
video
games
and
him
not
being
compensated
for
he's
an
athlete
out
of
ucla.
G
We
addressed
a
lot
of
those
issues
last
year,
but
you
learn
as
you
go,
and
so
what
this
amendment
to
this
bill,
or
this
I
guess
bill
now
does
is
it
allows
our
student
athletes
to
engage
in
group
licensing.
So
we
can
bring
back
the
ncaa
2014
video
game
and
our
tennessee
volunteers
and
memphis
tigers
and
vanderbilt
commodores.
Can
you
can
pick
the
team
of
your
choosing
provided
that
we
get
all
of
that
worked
out,
perhaps
even
the
tennessee
state
tigers?
G
I
K
G
Well,
we're
not
contemplating
that
today,
right,
representative
hakeem,
I
have
my
own
personal
views
on
that
that
issue,
but
you
know
at
some
point
in
time
the
team
on
the
front
of
the
jerseys
got
to
matter
more
than
the
team
on
the
back,
and
I
think
secondary
sports
is
a
great
opportunity
to
do
that.
Although
I
will
say
that
I
believe
the
sports,
the
tennessee
secondary.
G
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O
Mr
chairman,
as
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
federal
dollars
that
are
being
sent
down
to
states
for
various
reasons,
and
all
this
bill
does
is.
It
sets
up
a
framework
for
us
to
be
able
to
utilize
some
federal
dollars
once
they're
available,
and
that's
all
it
does.
As
far
as
money
goes,
it's
not
taking
any
state
funds
whatsoever,
and
the
amendment
clarified
that
this
is
only
subject
to
available
funds
from
the
federal
government.
Through
these
programs
it
creates
the
most
opportunities
for
students
in
tennessee
act
or
the
most
act.
O
It's
an
educational
grant
program
to
combat
the
learning
loss,
challenges
that
our
students
and
families
have
experienced
during
the
pandemic.
The
department
of
education
received
federal,
arp
dollars
and
esther
dollars
that
do
two
things.
They
support
school
districts
and
their
expenditure
of
federal
arp
funds
and
combat
learning
loss
due
to
cobit
19..
O
Some
among
those
eligible
education
expenses.
They
are
defined
as
tutoring
services,
which
has
to
meet
the
res.
The
requirements
established
by
tdoe
learner,
assisted
technology,
approved
by
tdoe
instructional
materials
approved
by
tdoe
and
so
forth.
Several
other
details
I'll
be
glad
to
discuss.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
on
these,
I
know
some
have
already
looked
at
this
bill
and
and
know
what
it
does
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
questions.
Mr
chairman,.
I
O
E
Representative
love,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sponsor
thank
you
for
bringing
this
legislation,
as
we
all
talk
about
learning,
laws
and
opportunities
for
parents
to
really
get
their
children
back
up
to
speed
where
they
should
be.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
tool
that
we
can
use
to
get
students
back
there.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
is-
and
I
was
going
through
here
as
to
what
these
funds
may
be
used
for,
and
it
looks
like
there's
private
entities
who
could
receive
these
public
funds
and
it
looks
like
the
department.
Pretty
much
has
the
sole
discretion
as
to
who
can
qualify
as
a
provider,
and
I
get
nervous
every
time
this
department
of
education
makes
decisions
about
third
party
contracts
or
where
we're
sending
our
public
tax
dollars.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
what
is
a
supplemental
educational
service
of
the
type
contemplated
by
this
act.
O
O
There's
this
would
be
defined
that
particular
item
is
defined
as
a
piece
of
equipment
or
system
that
helps
bypass
work
around
or
compensate
for
an
individual
specific
learning
deficit,
so
they're,
very,
very,
very
specific
in
where
these
funds
can
be
spent
and
on
on
exactly
what
there
may
be.
Some
reading
guides
text
to
speech
software
frequency,
modulation
systems
that
can
reduce
background
noise
in
the
classroom
and
amplify
what
the
teacher
says
and
etc.
Things
like
that
is
what
I'm
understanding.
O
Recognized,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Obviously
I
think
the
the
federal
guidelines
that
have
come
down
with
this
are
going
to
be
pretty
stringent
that
the
department
has
to
comply
with.
This
has
been
done
already
in
about
four
or
five
other
states
that
I
know
of,
and
so
there's
there's
a
framework
already
there
that's
being
addressed.
O
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A
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L
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
In
2009
a
12
year
old
son
of
one
of
my
constituents,
his
name
was
tanner
lee
jamison,
his
mom's
name,
rhonda
harrell.
He
passed
away
in
a
basketball
practice
in
one
of
the
schools
with
sudden
cardiac
arrest.
We
began
at
that
time
seeking
requirements
for
aed
devices
in
school.
The
automated
external
defibrillators.
L
You'll
be
glad
to
know
that
tennessee
was
the
first
state
to
do
that.
Having
seen
fatal
events
on
school
buses,
we
began
to
assess
the
presence
of
basic
life
support,
including
aed
usage
on
school
bus
operators
in
tennessee
and
other
states,
and
of
the
three
leas
in
my
district.
Two
of
them
do
require
that
basic
life
support
one
requires
it
only
for
special
education
and
school
time
hours.
L
L
H
H
I
was
honored
to
be
able
to
meet
rhonda,
and
I
also
have
a
very,
very
good
friend
who
a
defibrillator
saved
her
son's
life,
who
was
playing
freshman
baseball
at
my
alma
mater
or
basketball.
I'm
sorry,
my
alma
mater
there
at
central,
high
school
in
knox
county
and
had
no
health
issues
and
had
cardiac
arrest
and
thank
goodness,
some
of
the
kids,
knew
where
there
was
a
defibrillator
in
the
office
at
the
time,
and
it
gives
me
chills
every
time
I
talk
about
it.
H
The
office
was
normally
closed
after
school
by
4
30,
and
this
happened
a
little
after
that.
But
that
day
the
office
door
was
left
open
and
this
student,
who
was
playing
basketball,
who
worked
in
the
office
during
his
free
time,
knew
where
that
defibrillator
was
so
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
this,
and
I
would
encourage
anybody
that
that
deals
with
any
age
to
always
try
to
have
a
defibrillator
if
possible.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
defibrillator
saves
lives.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
house
bill
2530,
hear
no
objection,
all
those
in
favor
moving
2-5-3-0
out
to
calvin
rules
and
they
keep
saying
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
very
much
members.
If
it
would
be
okay,
we're
gonna
have
to
lose
some
of
our
members
early
and
I've
got
a
bill.
I
got
some
guests
here
to
speak
on
it.
I
would
like
to
without
objection
jump
over
to
house
bill.
C
A
C
A
A
Now
the
memphis
city
schools
were
were
in
all
the
geographic
boundary
of
the
city
of
memphis
and
the
shelby
county
schools
with
everything
outside
that,
and
they
represent
the
communities
of
millington
on
the
north,
in
bartlett
and
lakeland
and
arlington
in
caryville
and
germantown
and
and
then
in
2010.
Approximately
the
city
of
memphis
gave
up
their
school
charter
city
memphis
no
longer
funds
put
somebody.
I
think
it
was
about
60
70
million
they
put
into
schools,
they
got
out
of
the
school
business
altogether
and
they
gave
their
charter.
So
what
happened?
A
A
So
we
passed
a
law
in
2013,
given
these
six
municipalities,
their
own
school
system
and
that's
what
happened,
and
so
they
all
started
and
they're
all
doing
very
well
in
germantown
that
I
represent,
or
besides
the
city
of
memphis,
they
have
some
of
the
highest
act,
scores
in
the
state
and
they're
doing
very,
very
well.
But
what
happened
during
that
time
in
2013,
when
all
the
districts
took
off
the
shelby
county
schools
requested
that
they
keep
three
facilities:
three
school
buildings
within
shelby
county
schools,
and
they
didn't
go
into
the
germantown
municipal
schools.
A
What
kind
of
hurt
at
the
time
there's
a
long
story
there.
These
were
called
germantown
elementary
germantown
middle
and
germantown
high
school
they're,
the
three
name
sex
schools
of
the
city
of
germantown.
At
that
time,
even
though
they
were
part
originally
of
shelby
county
schools
before
2010
in
2013,
the
citizens
and
the
students
of
germantown
went
to
these
schools.
They
were
their
community
schools.
A
Well,
they
basically
lost
those.
When
shelby
county
decided
to
keep
those
three
schools,
we
call
it
the
three
g's
or
the
three
legacy
schools.
Well,
that
was
then.
This
is
now
or
nine
years
later
and
I
ran
a
bill
last
year
and
I
pulled
it
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
says
you
you
guys
the
city
of
germantown
and
shelby
county
schools.
A
A
You
know,
of
course,
like
most
things,
it
comes
down
to
a
thing
of
money.
How
much
is
a
property
worth
these
buildings
were
built
back
in
the
70s
and
the
high
schools
built
back
in
59
to
65.
it's
a
campus,
so
several
buildings
were
being
built.
These
are
45
50
55
year
old
buildings
they've
been
paid
for
and
they
really
need
going
forward
someday.
They
need
to
be
replaced.
A
So
germantown
is
asked
to
be
able
to
what
I'm
standing
here
before
you.
The
city
of
germantown
is
asking:
let
us
take
these
buildings
and
put
them
back
under
the
management
of
the
germantown
municipal
schools
or
the
city
of
germantown,
because
they
are
in
our
our
geographic
boundaries.
We
will
protect
the
students.
C
D
Thank
you,
chairman
and
committee,
and
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief.
This
is
a
very
common
sense
approach.
It's
not
very
complicated.
These
schools
are
inside
the
city
of
germantown
and
that's
where
they
need
to
be
is
in
that
germantown
school
system
and,
as
chairman
mentioned,
the
municipal
lea
would
be
required
to
pay
the
county
lea
for
the
fair
market
value
of
the
land
used
in
the
school
operations
plus
any
outstanding
debt
on
those
improvements.
D
C
K
A
A
Those
who
were
in
negotiation
meetings
were
a
representative
of
the
school
board
and
a
representative
of
the
senior
staff,
and
then
we
had
the
city
of
germantown
there
and
myself,
and
so
when
it
came
down
to
the
to
the
end
last
this
past
january,
I
said
there
anyway.
Y'all
can
work
this
out
where
I
don't
have
to
stand
up
in
front
of
the
committee
and
carry
this
bill
and
they
both
said.
You
need
to
carry
the
bill,
so
we
can
get
this
off
of
our
plate
and
I'm
carrying
it.
A
On
behalf
of
both,
I
believe
that
it's
a
fair
ass
to
go
ahead
and
transfer
these
schools
back
to
the
city
of
germantown,
because
they
want
to
manage
these
schools.
They
want
to
be
the
ones
who
upkeep
the
property
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
deferred
maintenance
on
these
buildings.
They
want
to
maintain
the
property,
they
want
to
make
sure
that
the
schools
are
up
to
the
standards
that
they
want
to
take
care
of
their
community.
K
N
K
If
we're
going
to
go
there
and
and
this
bill
the
bill
that
separated
these
schools
was
in
2000
2013
you
mentioned
and
and
these
buildings
were,
were
owned
and
operated
at
the
time
by
shelby,
county
schools
and
in
which
should
have
been
an
automatic
grandfather
for
that
situation.
Until
shelby
county
schools
decided
to
what
they
wanted
to
do
with
their
schools.
But
you
are
literally
under
this
legislation
putting
both
germantown
and
shelby
county
schools.
K
A
K
Right
and
so
yeah
and
chairman
white-
thank
you
for
that,
but
germantown
chose
to
separate
themselves
away
from
shelby
county
schools.
Shelby
county
schools
didn't
choose
to
separate
themselves
away
from
germantown.
It
was
vice
versa,
that
choice
comes
with
consequences
and
and
and
if
they
chose
to
set
up
their
own,
which
I'm
I'm
fine.
With
that,
I'm
perfectly
okay,
with
that
with
them
setting
up
their
own
school
district,
then
they
walked
away
from
shelby
county,
not
shelby,
county
walking
away
from
them.
A
C
You,
mr
chairman,
members,
I'd
ask
that
you
wait
until
you're
recognized
for
responses
moving
forward
without
any
objections.
We
have
nobody
else
on
the
list
right
now.
So
without
any
objections,
we've
got
some
guests
here
to
speak,
we'll
go
out
of
session
the
guests
we
have
on
the
list.
If
they
would
come
up.
The
first
two
are
left.
Your
right
would
be
mr
john
ferris
and
mayor
mike
palazzolo
here
and
then
our
right.
C
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
germantown
mayor
mike
palazzolo
today
I
represent
all
of
our
residents,
41
333
residents
and
our
families
with
school-aged
children.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
for
being
recognized
today.
I
want
to
thank
chairman
white
for
bringing
forward
this
important
and
appropriate
legislation.
N
As
mentioned
earlier
at
the
conclusion
of
the
last
session,
the
assembly
asked
that
we
make
an
effort
to
resolve
the
lea
question
at
the
local
level,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
chairman
for
facilitating
those
13
meetings
between
shelby
county
schools
and
the
city
of
germantown.
Regrettably,
a
solution
could
not
be
obtained
during
that
time,
but
first,
let
me
state
just
very
quickly.
This
bill
does
fit
the
classic
definitions
associated
with
good
legislation.
N
This
bill
codifies
a
2017
opinion
from
the
state
attorney
general,
which
stated
it
is
illegal
to
operate
a
public
charter
school
or
traditional
public
school
in
another
lease
jurisdiction.
Let
me
remind
you
today
that
shelby
county
schools
requested
this
attorney
general
opinion
in
2017.,
without
this
request
from
shelby
county
schools-
we're
not
here
today.
N
Today,
you
are
simply
asked
to
make
this
activity
legal.
Without
this
bill.
There
is
nothing
stopping
or
permitting
shelby
county
schools
to
construct,
purchase
or
acquire
or
operate
a
school
in
each
of
your
home
cities
or
districts
again
codifying
the
ag
opinion
of
2017
makes
it
legal
with
mutual
consent.
N
As
an
aside
to
this
issue,
the
residents
of
germantown
have
no
ability,
nor
are
we
allowed
to
vote
or
elect
representation
on
the
shelby
county
school
board.
We
pay
shelby
county
taxes,
and
yet
we
have
no
vote
or
ability
for
our
families
to
be
properly
heard
and
represented
at
the
school
board
level.
N
In
closing
this
bill
is
fair,
equitable
and
adjusts
resolution
to
a
lingering
and
unsustainable
issue.
With
your
adoption
and
support,
a
legal
lea
can
be
created
further,
I
commit
to
using
this
property
for
educational
purposes
for
germantown's
long-term
school
growth
needs,
and
I
pledge
to
reach
a
mutually
agreed-upon
long-term
transition
plan
for
our
students
at
scs,
their
families
and
faculty.
Thank
you
for
your
support
and
passage
of
this
very
important
bill.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
C
C
K
N
Mr
chairman
alizella,
thank
you.
The
the
schools
are
now
currently
operated
by
scs
and
it's
our
intent
for
them
to
continue
to
operate,
and
hopefully,
we'll
be
able
for
all
those
students
to
grade
out
of
their
schools.
We
need
the
campuses
and
the
property
and
the
facilities
for
our
future
long-term
growth.
Those
schools
are
operated
currently
in
our
city
boundaries
and
yes,
they're,
operated
well.
N
K
N
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative.
Yes,
we
had
a
demographer
work,
some
long-term
planning
and
we
show
stability
for
the
first
10
years
or
the
next
10
years.
Thereafter,
we
look
in
fifteen
to
twenty
year
planning
model.
We
have
one
thou,
approximately
one
thousand
residential
single-family
homes
that
have
been
approved
or
in
the
pipeline
we
see
long-term
growth.
My
city
is
noted
for
not
zero
year
planning
but
long-term
planning
and
so
we're
planning
for
the
future.
N
K
Parks
and
follow
up.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
mayor
for
your
answers,
but
in
the
in
that
study,
didn't
that
study
show
that
there
was
no
expected
large
amount
of
growth
in
germantown
from
that
study.
Didn't
it
I
I
don't
know
if
I
need
to
pull
it
up,
but
isn't
that
what
you
got
from
that
mr
alexa.
N
E
N
P
Ferriss,
let
me
answer
that
if
I
can
chairman
thank
you
state
statute,
the
only
authority
shelby
county
has
to
operate.
The
schools
is
through
the
general
assembly,
the
statutes,
the
statutes
do
not
authorize
one
lea
to
operate
outside
its
boundaries.
Currently,
shelby
county
schools
are
operating
outside
their
boundaries.
If
you
go
to
their
website,
it
doesn't
even
show
germantown
on
the
boundaries
within
their
boundaries.
P
So
it's
not
just
this
ag's
opinion.
It's
it's
the
state
statute,
and,
and
so
they
they
did
not
have
the
the
authority
through
the
legislature
to
be
where
they
are
boundaries,
change
all
the
time.
Germantown's
boundaries
have
changed,
and
so
shelby
county's
boundaries
have
changed
too.
As
far
as
the
school
school
district
is
concerned.
So
it's
not
just
that
ag's
opinion
represent
love.
E
But
but
I
I
do
I
have
concerns
because
I
expressed
something
about
what's
happening
or
will
happen
to
the
african
american
students
who
are
currently
enrolled
in
these
three
school
buildings
when
they
will
then
have
no
school
building
to
be
educated
in
unless
shelby
county
finds
some
way
to
absorb
them
into
their
school
buildings,
which
I'm
I've
been
told,
may
be
more
difficult.
But
that's
my
concern
about
that
that
situation,
because
I
don't
want
to
see.
E
N
N
Your
question
is
very
valid
in
today's
current
enrollment
numbers,
just
a
short
four
miles
away
and
up
to
five
miles
away.
There
are
three
local
high
schools
that
have
2287
empty
seats
that
could
be
handled
and
absorb
the
current
capacity,
but
the
current
capacity
is
not
at
issue
representative,
it's
the
long
term
and
we're
looking
for
a
long-term
transition
plan,
13
or
so
years.
The
reimagine
901
plan
calls
for
closing
schools,
making
them
more
efficient
and
going
back
to
the
neighborhood
school
approach.
Germantown
elementary
middle
and
high
school
are
not
neighborhood
schools.
N
N
Mayor
urchin,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We're
a
landlocked
community
we're
close
to
being
built
out.
You
know,
public
schools
are
held
in
trust
for
the
taxpayers
and
the
residents
of
a
region,
that's
substantiated
in
prescott
versus
lennox,
a
case
that
went
to
the
supreme
court,
and
it
is
good
case
law,
so
those
buildings
are
held
in
trust.
We
all
represent
our
constituents.
N
We
don't
want
to
waste
tax
money
that
would
be
not
good
planning
to
build
a
school
on
vacant
property
next
to
a
school,
and
so
we
lack
schools
in
our
southwest
quadrant
of
our
city,
where
these
schools
sit
currently
so
we'd
like
to
make
really
good
use
of
that
public
land
for
our
residents
and
for
our
families.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
M
N
N
It
has
been
represented
to
us
and
chairman
white
in
our
13
meetings
that
shelby
county
schools
can
currently
today
fully
absorb,
and
this
is
from
their
leadership
and
their
elected
leadership
that
they
can
fully
absorb
germantown
elementary
in
germantown
middle
school.
Today,
today,
the
schools
that
have
vacancy
are
ridgeway,
southwind
and
kirby
and
again
those
are
in
close
proximity
and
give
you
those
exact
numbers,
they're
all
a
matter
of
public
record
in
in
the
public
domain,
and
those
are
the
high
schools
that
I
make
mention
of
ridgeway,
southwind
and
kirby.
P
Sides.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
apologize.
Both
sides
are
in
compliance
with
that
agreement.
That
agreement
does
not
deal
with
these
three
schools.
Nowhere
in
that
agreement
are
these.
Three
schools
mentioned
they're,
not
part
of
the
agreement,
so
you
know
it's.
It's
really
a
just
a
we
believe.
It's
a
red
herring.
P
The
whole
situation
is
governed
by
state
law,
which
does
not
permit
an
lea
to
operate
outside
its
boundaries,
which
is
what's
going
on
what
has
been
going
on,
so
you
know
there
there
that
agreement
is
in
effect,
germantown
is
performing
under
that
agreement
representative
clemens,
and
will
continue
to
do
that,
but
that
agreement
does
not
touch
these
three
schools
they're.
Nowhere
in
the
agreement,
as
it
mentioned.
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and,
and
and
thank
you,
mr
mayor
again,
I
want
to
circle
back
on
the
expected
growth
from
of
germantown.
You
all
hired
an
individual
named
mckibben
mckibben.
He
presented
updated
numbers
to
germantown
municipal
schools,
district
of
education
in
in
january,
as
a
matter
of
fact
and
enrollment
is
expected
to
remain
fairly
steady
in
2031.
He
expects
about
5
5986
students
in
germantown
schools,
that's
fewer,
there's,
there's
fewer
than
100
more
than
is
currently
in
the
system.
Today.
Let
me
say
that
part
again
in
2031.
K
This
is
the
person
that
you
hired
to
do
to
do
this
study
in
2031.
He
expects
about
5986
students
in
germantown
schools,
that's
fewer
than
100,
more
than
are
currently
in
the
school
system.
Today,
minimal
change
is
expected
at
the
elementary
level.
The
biggest
increase
is
at
the
middle
school
of
fewer
than
150
students,
but
at
the
high
school
population
is
expected
to
by
an
estimated
64
students
at
the
high
school
population
is
expected
to
decrease
by
an
estimated
64..
K
Currently,
germantown
has
more
children
between
the
ages
of
5
and
9
than
it
does
from
newborns
to
age.
Four,
as
children
get
older,
there
will
be
a
decrease
in
children.
Enrolling
in
germantown's
elementary
schools
births
have
declined
in
germantown.
A
trend
mckibben
expects
to
continue.
Mckibben
is
who
you
hired
is
not
due
to
a
change
in
birth
rate
but
related
to
the
number
of
women
women
at
childbearing
age.
In
the
suburb,
very
few
people
in
their
20s
are
moving
to
germantown.
K
He
said
empty
nesters
aren't
leaving
the
suburb
and
those
ages
50
to
60
are
not
enrolling
children
in
the
school
district.
He
called
this
the
statistic:
the
curse
of
the
successful
school
district
students
graduate
have
successful
careers
elsewhere,
but
their
parents
stay
here
in
germantown
that
doesn't
sound
like
expected
growth.
Mr
mayor,
then
that's
the
person
that
you
hired.
N
Mayor
you
recognized,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
as
I
stated
earlier,
we're
looking
for
15
to
20
years
from
now
long-term
strategic
growth.
We
have
a
thousand
approved
in
the
pipeline
single-family
residential
units,
so
our
city
will
grow
and
probably
approach
close
to
build
out
by
that
time.
So
the
immediate
the
there
is
not
an
immediate
need.
There
will
be
a
long-term
need.
That
study
takes
us
through
the
remaining
nine
years,
as
you
mentioned,
or
nine
additional
years
from
today.
A
J
J
I
guess
we're
going
to
have
to
relive
a
little
bit
of
what
we
dealt
with
in
the
subcommittee,
but
and-
and
I
have
the
utmost
respect
for
chairman
white
and
for
leader
gant,
but
it's
not
a
simple
matter
leader
and
it's
a
very
complicated
matter
in
a
complex
matter
and
the
main
thing
it
is
is
a
local
matter
and
they
have
asked
for
you
to
come
up
here.
They've
come
up
here
to
ask
you
to
settle
a
local
matter,
but
let
me
be
clear
about
who
brought
this
legislation.
J
J
Chairman
white
told
a
little
bit
of
the
story,
and
I
want
to
pick
up
during
part
of
the
story
where
the
six
municipalities
wanted
to
create
their
own
school
systems.
He
left
out
a
very
important
point.
It
was
alluded
to
here,
but
shelby
county,
not
shelby,
county
schools,
but
shelby
county
sued,
those
six
municipalities
and
it
basically
halted
the
creation
of
those
six
leas
and
they
sued
them
based
on
constitutional
grounds.
J
J
Millington
had
one
school
close
to
the
city
limits
of
millington
whose
zone
swept
out
into
the
county
and
they
said
to
us.
You
all
keep
that
school.
So
we
now
operate
own
and
operate
a
school
in
millington
and
to
imply
it's
just
bad
faith.
To
imply
that
we
need
this
bill
for
us
to
legally
operate
is
just
wrong
and
it's
bad
faith.
We
we,
as
shelby
county
schools,
were
there
before
any
of
the
municipalities.
Were
there
our
schools?
The
three
in
question
were
built
in
1964,
1975
and
1979..
J
C
J
The
answer
was
no,
and
so
the
settlement
agreement,
which
is
right
here
and
is
active-
it
doesn't
refer
to
the
three
schools
because
it
refers
to
the
five
we
owned,
all
eight.
We
gave
them
three.
We
gave
them
five
schools
and
they
own
and
operate
five
schools.
They
don't
need.
It's
been
mentioned,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
since
I'm
out
of
time,
but
there
has
been
a
study
they
expect
their
attendance
to
decrease.
J
This
is
about
the
land
for
them.
It's
about
the
kids
for
us,
it's
about
making
sure
that
these
kids
get
an
education
and
are
not
disrupted
in
that
education
and
the
bottom
line
and
I'll
close
with
this.
The
bottom
line
is
right.
We
think
we
can
absorb
the
middle
school
and
elementary
school
students.
We
need
a
new
high
school
if
we
were
to
give
up
these
three
schools
new
high
school
costs
about
80
million
dollars.
J
C
M
J
M
J
This
agreement,
I'll
read
from
it
the
agreement
of
settlement
compromise.
This
agreement
is
entered
into
by
the
board
of
commissioners
of
shelby
county,
the
county
commission,
shelby
county
tennessee,
the
county,
the
shelby
county
board
of
education,
the
county
board
of
education,
my
client,
the
city
of
germantown,
mayor
palazzolo,
who
was
on
the
board
of
mayor
and
alderman.
J
At
the
time
this
was
entered
into
and
voted
to
affirm
this
agreement,
the
city
of
germantown
tennessee,
the
germantown
board
of
education,
the
germantown
board,
so
all
those
parties
all
individually
their
bodies,
the
school
boards,
the
county
commission
city
councils.
They
all
voted
to
approve
the
agreement
that
agreement
was
taken
to
the
court
and
the
court
settled
the
lawsuit
and
dismissed
the
case,
and
that
allowed
the
germantown
lea
to
be
formed
and
created
to
to
complete
the
process
of
to
begin
operation
and
and
as
a
part
of
this
agreement,
we
gave
we
deeded
them.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
well
that
you
know,
like
I
said
in
the
subcommittee.
If,
if
that
settlement
agreement
is
controlling
here
and
overlaps
with
the
subject
matter
of
this
legislation
anyway,
then
it's
like.
I
assume
that
y'all
are
most
definitely
going
to
file
this
and
take
this
up
in
federal
court
again,
and
I
assume,
if
you
do
that
my
colleagues
over
here,
the
people
they
represent
are
going
to
be
paying
for
that
lawsuit
as
well
as
the
people
you
represent,
and
so
I
have
a
feeling.
M
People
are
going
to
incur
moral
costs
if
we
go
to
litigation.
If
that,
if
your
opinion
on
that
settlement,
agreement
is
in
fact
accurate.
So
that
concerns
me
greatly-
and
I
was
just
you
know-
I
don't
know-
I
haven't
seen
the
settlement
agreement,
but
I
would
caution
my
colleagues
if
there
is
a
federal
settlement
agreement
and
we're
using
legislation
to
somehow
circumvent
that,
even
though
both
parties
entered
into
it,
you
just
don't
get
to
come
up
and
change
legislation,
because
you
have
buyer's
remorse
about
a
settlement
agreement
you
entered
into.
M
J
I
I
I
Then
you,
as
those
students
matriculate
through
you,
will
backfill
them
with
students.
I
assume
based
off
of
growth
from
germantown,
because
there
are
children
going
to
that
school
that
aren't
in
germantown
right
now
that
how?
How
are
you
going
about?
How
are
you
going
to
fill
them
when
the
kindergartners
move
to
first
grade
where
those
kindergartners
going
to
come
from.
N
So
hopefully
the
parties
will
come
together
and
arrange
for
a
transition
plan,
and
that
will
be
at
the
responsibility
of
shelby
county
schools.
We
want
to
make
sure
all
those
kids
are
educated
and
their
siblings,
the
faculty
staff,
all
the
folks
associate
with
the
schools.
Families
are
not
disrupted,
so
we
would
be
agreeable
to
you
know
virtually
talking
about
any
type
of
transition
plan
what's
best
for
those
students
and
their
families.
I
And
not
that
you
can't
do
a
great
job
if
this
is
so
important
to
shelby
county
schools,
why
aren't
they
here?
Why?
Why
aren't
they?
Here
I
mean
I
I
with
all
due
respect
to
you.
You
do
a
great
job,
but
if
this
is
so
important
that
you
guys
been
fighting
about
this
for
so
long,
why
wouldn't
they?
The
germantown
took
the
time
to
come
to
the
general
assembly
and
present
their
case?
Why
wouldn't
the
people
from
shelby
county
come
here
and
present
their
case
to
us?
J
I
advised
them
not
to
come,
and
the
reason
I
did
is
wasn't
mentioned
earlier,
but
we
defeated
this
bill
in
the
senate
last
year.
You
guys
have
never
had
this
before
you.
It
was.
It
was
dead
in
the
senate
last
year
and
it's
it's
it's
a
complicated
issue,
they're
trying
to
run
the
largest
school
system
in
the
state
and-
and
I
advise
them
not
to
come
quite
frankly,
because
to
be
honest,
I
don't
think
it
will
make
any
difference
on
what
this
body
does.
J
I
And
I
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
The
problem
I'm
wrestling
with
is
chairman
white
and
these
gentlemen.
I'm
assuming
we're
in
these
meetings
going
these
13
meetings,
shelby
county
was
there
at
those
meetings,
I'm
assuming
we
could
be
getting
first-hand
information
from
shelby
county
schools
on
their
view
of
what
those
13
minutes.
13
meetings
represented
based
off
of
their
attendance
in
those
meetings
and
what
they
said
verbatim,
and
so
now
I
have
testimony
from
people
that
were
there.
I
I
don't
have
the
testimony
from
the
from
the
other
members
who
were
there,
and
I
just
I
wish
we
could
have
that-
that
information
and
and
and
and
then
be
able
to
sit
here
and
try
to
figure
this
out,
but
I
feel
kind
of
slided
here
that
they
chose
not
to
come
to
speak
to
us.
Okay.
So
that's
all,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
mr
thompson.
J
J
J
J
One
choice
is:
we
can
enter
an
agreement
for
up
to
12
years
or
13
years
to
continue
to
teach
the
kids
and
at
the
end
of
that
13
years
or
if
we
don't
enter
into
an
agreement,
the
other
bad
choice
either
way
our
property
goes
to
them
for
what's
then,
fair
market
value
for
the
land
only
for
the
land?
Only
so
what
that
does
is
puts
our
high
school
kids
out
on
the
street
without
a
place
to
go
and
not
enough
resources
in
our
pocket
to
replace
the
building
and
don't
don't
let
the
language.
J
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Mr
chair,
you
you
have
the
authority
to
let
us
just
go
back
into
session,
so
we
can
fairly
you've
been
running
this
committee
very
fairly.
I
think,
and
we
just
want
to
ask
questions
of
the
individual
in
recess
and
you
have
the
authority
to
put
us
back
in
recess
without
us
going
through
a
vote,
and
I
you
know,
you've
been
running
it
fairly
and
I
ask
that
you
just
please
continue
to
run
it
fairly.
Like
you've
been
mr
chair.
C
Thank
you
for
that.
I'm
going
to
give
we've
got
to
wind
this
up.
We've
had
a
lot
of
discussion.
We
need
to
get
to
a
vote
and
get
this
get
this
moving.
I
will
allow
two
questions
from
the
two.
I
think
you
two
had
objections.
Let's,
let's
get
to
the
question
quickly
and
then
let's
let
mr
thompson
answer
since
y'all
have
not
asked
him
and
then
let's
move
forward.
Thank
you,
oh
back
out
of
session.
Thank
you,
sir.
E
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
a
couple
more
minutes.
The
attorney
general's
opinion
was
requested
in
2017,
because
a
charter
school
came
to
shelby,
county
schools
and
applied
to
open
and
as
the
authorizer
of
charter
schools
we
authorized.
We
approved
a
charter
school
to
be
open.
J
That
charter
school
then
went
out
into
another
municipality.
I
can't
remember
which
one
it
was,
but
it
could
have
been
germantown
car
any
other.
It
wouldn't
matter,
and
at
that
point
that
lea
that
that
municipality
said
hold
on
wait
a
minute.
We
don't
think
you
could
do
this.
They
requested
the
opinion
and
it's
been
waved
around
like
it's
the
gospel
but
but
I'll
tell
you
there's
one
important
word:
that's
been
left
out
of
the
opinion.
The
attorney
general
said:
no,
you
do
not
have
the
authority
to
open
and
operate
in
another
league.
J
C
K
Mr
chair,
don't
please
make
sure
you
know
that
I
I
truly
appreciate
you
being
fair
in
this
here
and
mr
thompson
and
two
things
one
I
got.
I
got
a
text
message
from
the
board
chair
michelle
mckissick,
saying
that
she
did
not
ask
for
this
bill
to
be
brought,
and
I
got
a
text
from
the
superintendent
that
he
did
not
ask
for
this
bill
to
be
brought.
J
No,
I
don't
but,
but
I
will
say
this
in
chairman
white's
defense:
if
you
will,
you
know
this
bill
was
filed
last
year
last
year,
the
bill
attempted
to
take
our
property
without
any
compensation.
It
was
defeated
in
the
senate
and
at
that
time
everybody
knew
that
this
was
coming
back
before
you.
We
all
knew
that
that
there
was
a
bill
that
was
going
to
be
coming
back.
They
tried
to
work
it
out.
They
met
13
times
they
weren't
able
to
work
it
out
again,
we'll
sell
them.
J
J
We
never
had
any
input
in
any
amendment,
and
so
it's
not
our
bill.
We
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
this
bill.
This
is,
and
if
you,
if
you
notice
the
elephant,
that's
not
in
the
room
is
germantown
lea
in
almost
10
years,
since
we've
been
doing
doing
this
under
this
agreement,
not
once
has
the
superintendent
or
a
school
board.
Member
from
the
germantown
lea
come
to
us
and
said
you
know,
we
need
these
properties,
not
one
time.
This
is
the
mayor.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and,
and
and
I'm
trying
to
bark
some
follow-up.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I'm
trying
I'm
trying
I'm
trying
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
have
you
ever
seen.
Where
have
you.
I've
been
here
for
12
years
now,
what
12
plus
years
now,
and
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
us
pass
a
bill
that
would
be
retroactive
to
go
back
years
back
and
scoop
something
up
and
in
essence,
what
I'm.
K
Trying
to
lay
out
the
preface
yeah
and
so
that
there
was
no
legislation
that
would
remove
the
shelby
county
schools,
students
from
germantown
and
now
we're
bringing
legislation
that
would
force
them
out
in
a
retroactive
manner
based
on
the
law
that
was
passed
years
ago.
Am
I
off
base
with
that
or
help
me
out
mr
thompson?
Thank.
J
J
C
A
You
thank
you
committee.
I
we
got
some
members
had
to
leave
and
I
appreciate
you
hanging
with
us
here
now
we're
kind
of
going
around
the
world
this.
Basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
we
are
protecting
the
students.
Education
schools
are
about
the
students
that
continues
to
go
on.
These
are
just
three
schools
that
are
in
geographic
boundaries
of
a
community
called
germantown
and
they
would
like
to
manage
those
schools.
That's
all
we're
trying
to
get
on
the
table
with
that.
I
would
appreciate
your
support
and
review
my
motion.
C
Questions
been
called
without
objection.
We
will
be
voting
on
house
bill
2430
to
send
to
calendar
and
rules
members,
let
your
eyes
be
eyes
and
those
be
no's.
All
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
no,
no
eyes
have
it
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Members.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
I
appreciate
the
discussion
there
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
chairman
white.