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House Education Administration Committee- April 14, 2021
A
B
A
To
begin
with,
as
we
as
we
begin,
I
always
do
like
to
begin
our
committee
with
a
prayer,
because
we
are
a
committee
that
sets
over
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
that
eventually
affects
our
students
and
the
children
in
our
state
about
a
million
young
people
going
to
school.
So
would
you
bow
your
heads
most
holy
father?
Thank
you
for
all
that.
You
bless
us
with.
A
Thank
you
for
the
responsibility
and
the
opportunity
of
giving
each
of
us
to
sit
on
this
committee
to
think
about
things
that
will
improve
the
lives
of
the
young
people
across
the
state
as
they
grow
up.
Work
with
us.
Keep
us
strong
help
us
to
listen
to
each
other
and
do
what
we
should
be
doing
the
christ.
Then
we
pray,
amen
and
also
remember
to
get
started
for
those.
This
is
for
the
teachers
out
there
and
av
land
and
everywhere
else,
that's
listening.
A
A
A
A
A
B
A
C
Let
me
do
that.
I
had
misspoken
subcommittee
what
this
bill
does
is
a
few
years
ago,
we
we
passed
a
law
that
says
that
the
lease
are
required
to
have
back
background
checks
on
their
vendors
employees.
These
are
folks
that
come
in
that
the
la's
hired
to
come
and
do
some
work,
and
I
had
told
the
subcommittee
that
this
had
to
do
with
the
direct
employees
of
the
lease,
but
this
actually
has
to
do
with
the
vendors
of
the
lea.
C
C
So
these
folks
can
continue
to
work
for
the
leas
as
vendors,
because
we
passed
our
laws.
Some
folks
that
have
been
working
as
vendors
for
the
lease
have
been
working
for
10
15
20
years
and
then
may
have
had
a
misdemeanor,
a
non-violent
misdemeanor
record
and
they
weren't
able
to
work
for
the
leas
any
longer.
So
this
is
what
this
does.
A
C
D
D
A
Got
a
motion
second
discussion
on
that
amendment,
questions
being
called
any
objection
here:
none
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
6609
out
to
house
bill,
11
31
again
indicating
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we're
now
back
on
the
bill
properly?
Mr,
can
we
add
those
rolling
one?
Okay,
we'll
roll
those
into
one.
Okay,
we're
now
back
on
your
bill
as
properly
amended.
C
A
Thank
you,
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
last
year
and
this
came
up.
I
remember
we
had
a
bill
that
was
causing
some
employment
problems
with
our
lease,
and
I
think
this
will
go
a
long
ways
to
fixing
that.
Thank
you,
members.
Any
further
discussion
on
house
bill
1131
the
question's
been
called
objection
here.
None
all
those
in
favor
moving
into
calendar
rules
and
it
keeps
saying
aye
opposed
moves
out.
Thank
you.
A
Motion.
Second:
on
that
amendment,
it
does
rewrite
the
bill
members.
You
won't
go
ahead
and
add
it
and
then
have
discussion
on
the
bill.
Any
objection
to
that
hearing.
None
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
7097
to
house
bill,
865
indicated
saying:
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we're
now
back
on
your
bill,
as
amended
represent
chairman
hasten.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
In
the
past
couple
years,
we've
all
become
familiar
with
the
fact
that
percentage
increases
in
the
bep
instructional
component
does
not
guarantee
pay
raises
going
directly
to
our
teachers.
What
this
bill
does
is
help
ensure
that
these
bep
instructional
component
increases
reach
the
teachers
that
need
it.
The
most
by
having
the
state
salary
schedule,
match
the
bep,
instructional
component
percentage
increase
and
I'll.
Give
you
an
example
to
illustrate
this.
G
G
G
G
Some
of
you
stand
up
and
then
we
only
realized
that
it's
only
four
percent
for
those
teachers
that
are
being
paid
through
the
bep,
and
so
that's
really
not
the
whole
truth,
and
so
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
equal
out
to
a
four
percent
percent
raise
because
when
you-
and
then
it
puts
it
on
the
lea
to
explain
it
to
the
teachers-
hey
that
you're.
A
You
thank
you
very
much
represent
partisan
anyone
else.
Any
further
discussion
on
house
bill,
865
question's,
been
called
objection
here.
None
I
was
in
favor
of
moving
865
out
to
finance
indicator,
saying
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
moves
out
to
finance?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee,
chairman
reagan.
Before
you
step
up,
do
you
mind?
We've
got
a
is
represent
lamar
in
here
london.
A
H
A
A
C
Not
to
belabor
this
point,
but
there
is
no
companion
bill.
That
is
bill
anymore.
It
never
received
a
second.
Therefore,
it
is
impossible
for
any
action
to
be
taken
on
this
bill.
There
is
no
companion
bill
in
the
senate.
It
did
not
receive
a
second.
The
issue
that
some
people
have
talked
about
was
that
bill.
That
representative,
william
chairman
williams,
talked
about
went
to
general
sub,
which
means
it
could
be
pulled
from
the
clerk's
desk.
There
is
no
clerk's
desk
to
pull
this
from.
Therefore,
there
is
no
action
to
be
taken
on
this
bill.
A
So
here's
what
we
do
at
the
decision
of
the
chair
this
bill
is
dead
in
the
senate.
I'm
going
to
allow
the
representative
to
present
this,
but
I'm
going
to
say
that
we're
not
going
to
take
a
vote
on
this
if
it's
dead
in
the
in
the
house,
not
if
not
a
roll
call
vote.
If
you
want
us
to
vote
on
the
bill
I'll
give
you
a
voice
vote
we're
not
going
to
put
the
members
on
record
for
a
bill.
That's
not
moving
forward,
but
you
are
recognized,
represent
lamar.
H
For
clarification
purposes,
I
think
that
was
important
to
bring
this
bill
back
because
there's
much
on
this
bill.
Last
week
there
was
a
lot
of
misinformation
that
was
said
about
this
bill.
There
was
implications
that
administrators
were
working
against
the
bill.
Who
were
not
so
I
thought
it
was
important
that
we
bring
this
back
to
present
it
in
this
original
form,
where
there
was
no
one.
It
was
quoted
that
the
secretary
of
state
was
advocating
against
that.
He
was
not.
H
H
If
the
committee
takes
different
actions,
you
know
that
is
their
choice,
but
this
bill
is
simply
to
make
a
statement
to
eligible
voters
in
our
state
that
we
would
at
least
give
them
an
email
to
say
that
you
are
eligible
to
vote.
That's
what
it
is
and
if
we
don't
want
to
make
a
statement
on
that,
you
are
also
making
a
statement
as
well
representative.
I
Clemens
yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
it
understand
that
the
chair
has
wide
discretion
here,
but
I
I
just
I'm
curious,
we're
we're
apparently
ignoring
one
rule
and
interpreting
another.
The
the
word
dead
in
the
house.
Rules
isn't
specifically
defined.
The
senate
could
actually
move
to
reconsider
and
bring
that
floor
back,
bring
that
vote
back
up.
So
if
we
want
to
have
a
legal
discussion
about
the
definition
of
dead,
that's
something
that's
on
the
table,
but
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
whatever
we're
going
to
do.
I
I
A
H
That's
it
no
fiscal
note.
No
outside
organizations
is
literally
just
to
send
an
email
to
17
year
olds,
saying
you're
eligible
to
vote.
I
think
this
is
important,
because
if
we
truly
say
we
believe
that
everyone
has
the
right
to
vote,
why
not
make
them
aware
that
they
have
the
right
to
vote?
This
is
a
statement
that
we
want
our
rising
18
year
olds,
who
will
be
18
at
the
time
of
the
election
to
for
us
as
a
state
to
let
them
know
that
we
want
you
to
participate.
H
It
is
your
constitutional
right
to
vote,
regardless
of
what
your
political
party
is.
You
have
a
right
to
vote
for,
whoever
and
whatever
you
want.
We
just
simply
want
you
to
know
that
you
are
eligible
to
vote
and
then
it's
upon
them
to
decide
to
go
and
register
to
vote
themselves.
That's
it
it's
not
political,
it's
not.
H
G
G
G
A
H
So
the
bill
simply
says
that
all
the
17
year
olds,
who
are
will
be
18
at
the
time
of
the
upcoming
election,
will
either
simply
send
those
students
an
email,
a
physical
letter
which
is
like
a
sheet
of
paper
in
homeroom
or
if
they
want
to
put
in
the
mail
saying
you
are
eligible
to
vote.
If
you
want
to
go
register
to
vote,
go
see
the
secretary
of
state's
office
or
your
local
election
commission.
That's
it.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
is
there
is
there
any
reason
in
your
mind
that
we
can't
trust
our
young
people
coming
out
of
high
school
to
know
that
they
have
the
right
to
vote?
Given
we
have
cell
phones,
24-hour
news
channels,
everything
else
is
there
some
something
they're
lacking
that
they're,
not
quite
capable
of
knowing
that
they
can
vote.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
he
recognized
me
before
I
respond.
Yes,
even
though
we
have
social
media,
not
all
17
roles
in
the
state
of
tennessee
have
social
media.
We,
as
you
can
see
this
past
year,
we're
putting
millions
of
dollars
of
expanding
broadband
across
the
state
of
tennessee,
because
this
bill
will
apply
to
all
17
year
olds
across
the
state
of
tennessee.
H
All
of
them
don't
have
internet
access
and
we're
not
teaching
it
in
the
school
curriculum
as
we
should.
This
is
a
way
when
you
go
to
school.
We
are
teaching
you
to
be
good
stewards
of
the
community
to
how
to
engage
in
society
in
a
meaningful
way,
and
that
includes
exercising
your
right
to
vote.
So
I
truly
believe
our
local
education
systems
have
an
obligation
to
ensure
that
we
are
educating
our
students,
so
they
can
fully
participate
in
society
because
we
do
have
social
media,
but
not
every
child.
H
J
H
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
don't
think
all
of
them
do
know
if,
if
that
was
the
case,
tennessee
is
at
the
bottom
of
the
nation
when
it
comes
to
voter
turnout,
even
some
of
our
adults
are
not
educated
and
aware
of
how
they
can
exercise
their
right
to
vote,
and
if
they
should
so,
we
can't
promise
that
we've
seen.
No,
it's
not.
Those
conversations
are
not
necessarily
going
on
in
the
household
or
they're
not
happening
in
the
churches
or
the
communities.
H
H
They
are
not
educated
on
the
process,
which
is
why
I'm
doing
this
as
being
the
youngest
woman
in
the
legislature,
I'm
using
my
role
to
further
educate
and
provide
opportunities
for
young
people
to
be
involved
in
the
political
process,
because
it's
so
very
important.
I
remember
the
pride
I
had
when
I
voted
for
the
first
time
at
18
years
old.
I
was
so
excited
because,
yes,
my
family
did
take
it
upon
themselves
and
they
were
active
voters,
but
unfortunately,
my
friends
did
not
know
there
was
election
come
up.
They
did
not
know
how
to
vote.
H
H
It
is
to
educate
and
make
them
aware
that
they
are
eligible
to
vote
and
if
they
decide
to
take
their
opportunity
to
vote
they
can
with
their
local
election
commission
or
the
secretary
of
state's
office
and
therefore
we
don't
keep
it
political.
It's
go,
it's
statewide
application,
it's
not
favoring
one
person
or
another,
and
it
literally
costs
nothing.
H
H
And
I
will
say
that
some
election
commissioners,
like
in
shelby
county,
are
doing
a
fabulous
job
at
making
sure
that
ryze
and
18
year
olds
are
eligible
to
vote.
I
join
in
in
going
to
the
high
schools
in
shelby
county
and
registering
students
myself
with
our
local
election
commission,
but
the
fact
is
not
every
county
is
doing
that.
Not
every
county
is
being
forthright
like
shelby,
county
and
davis,
county
and
other
places.
H
We
want
to
ensure
that
all
17-year-olds,
at
least
get
a
sheet
of
paper
or
email
or
if
they
decide
to
put
in
the
mail
just
to
say,
go
to
the
secretary
of
state's
website
and
register
go
to
your
local
election
commission
website.
You
want
to
register
to
vote.
That's
it!
It's
that
simple!
It's
not
even
that
complicated
and
it
costs
nothing.
J
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
familiar
with
the
or,
if
the
committee's
familiar
with
the
erasure
parties,
eraser
erasure
parties
that
took
place
in
atlanta
several
years
ago,
a
group
of
teachers
and
I
believe
some
of
the
administrators
I'd-
have
to
go
back
and
read.
The
story
got
together
and
began
to
alter
test
scores
so
that
they
could
improve
their
performance
outcomes.
They
got
caught.
Some
of
them
got
arrested.
Someone
went
to
jail.
J
I
say
that
to
mention
that
there
is
a
possibility
that
people
could
take
advantage
of
this
and
selectively
choose
who
it
is
that
they
mail
to
at
voting
time.
They
could
selectively
choose
which
students
get
and
don't
get
some
kind
of
notification
of
this
right
to
vote,
and
I
think
you
would
agree
with
me.
You
wouldn't
want
a
teacher
picking
out
students
that
were
about
to
go
and
be
maybe
pushed
coerced
or
even
coached
up
in
the
months
leading
up
to
an
election
to
go
and
vote
for
somebody
like
donald
trump.
Would
you
agree.
H
Thank
you.
We
don't
want
to
make
anybody
manipulate
the
system.
That's
why
this
bill
puts
in
place
the
fact
that
you
have
to
notify
all
rising
18
year
olds.
Now
teachers
are
found
to
be
that
they
are
not
supposed
to
put
their
political
affiliations
on
students
and,
just
like
those
individuals
were
caught
and
dealt
with,
they
would
be
caught
and
dealt
with
just
like
this
bill.
So
this
bill
is
putting
in
place
that
you
have
to
notify
everyone.
H
If
you
don't,
if
we
were
to
you
know,
if
this
bill
were
law,
they
would
be
breaking
the
law
and
you
would
be
dealt
with
based
on
the
criminal
system
we
put
in
place.
So
of
course
we
don't
want
that
to
happen.
I
agree,
but
this
bill
ensures
that
that
won't
happen.
It
ensures
that
we
are
supposed
to
register
or
excuse
me,
notify,
notify
all
rising
18
year
olds.
B
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
sponsor
our
schools,
as
you've
stated
already
instruct
and
teach
our
kids
about
civics
and
their
rights
to
vote.
They've
also
made
it
a
point
to
try
and
get
that
information.
Hey
you're
turning
18.,
it's
your
time
to
come
up
and
vote.
I
don't
see
a
need
to
codify
something
like
this,
but
thank
you
for
your
passion
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
committee
for
your
indulgence.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
in
light
that
the
schools
across
tennessee
already
do
this.
We're
simply
codifying
what's
already
done
in
light
it
that
it's
already
done
in
light
that
the
according
to
house
rules.
If
a
senate
bill
companion
is
not
moving,
then
neither
should
this.
My
motion
is
to
roll
this
till
february.
23Rd
of
2022
that'll
give
us
time
to
see
if
the
senate
companion
bill
moves.
So
that's
my
motion.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
it.
No
every
school
district
is
not
doing
that.
If
that
was
the
case,
we
wouldn't
be
pushing
this
bill,
so
I
do
want
to
say
that,
but
you
have
the
opportunity
to
to
to
make
a
statement
today
and
if
you
do
roll,
it
you're
still
making
a
statement
that
you
don't
believe
all
17
year
olds
should
get
an
email
saying,
they're
eligible
to
vote.
H
You
have
an
opportunity
to
change
the
messaging.
Today
you
have
an
opportunity
to
send
out
a
message
to
rising
18
year
olds,
about
you
were
encouraging
them
to
exercise
a
constitutional
right
again.
I'd
ask
that
you
don't
roll
this
bill.
I
ask
that
we
take
up
this
vote
and
do
it
today
and
send
a
message
and
then
next
year
the
senate
can
pick
it
back
up
and
reconsider
it.
H
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
We
do
have
a
motion
before
us.
I
was
informed
by
the
clerk's
office.
The
rules
are
that
if
a
member
does
request
a
roll
call,
I
mean
I
be
a
roll
call
vote
before
committee.
Then
I
have
to
recognize
that
I
do
not
have
the
authority
to
override
that.
I
was
asking
really
as
a
favor
since
the
move.
So,
madam
kirk,
would
you
call
it.
C
Picky,
we've
already
made
a
motion
and
second
on
this
bill
to
already
hear
it.
We've
already
already
taken
action
on
this
bill
in
the
last
meeting.
This
is
not
new
action.
This
is
not
a
clean
bill.
It's
just
come
to
us.
This
is
a
bill
that
we
heard
we
debated
and
and
the
sponsor
rolled,
which
means
she's,
already
used
up
her
ability
to
ask
for
a
roll
call
vote,
because
it's
already
been
heard
and
voted
on.
K
So
just
to
follow
up
on
that
point
of
order
question.
So
not
not
only
was
there
a
motion
and
a
second
but
we
voted,
I
mean,
and
so
I
believe
the
rule.
I
believe
we
voted
on
it
last
week
and
then
we
had
then
we
then
we
reconsidered
our
actions,
and
so
the
request
for
a
roll
call
vote
has
to
be
made
before
the
first
vote
is
taken
on
the
bill.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
The
motion
before
us
by
representing
casta
is
to
defer
this
bill
to
calendar
year
2022
the
month
of
february,
madame
clerk,
if
you
want
to
defer
it,
you
vote.
Yes,
if
you
don't
you
vote,
no,
madame
clerk
represents
I'll
go
back
to
the
sponsor
one
more
time
you
have
one
last
thing
to
say:
you're
recognized.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
your
clarity
and
I
appreciate
the
committee's
indulgence
on
this
issue,
because,
if
anything
is
a
learning
lesson
of
us
getting
more
clarity
on
his
processes,
obviously
it's
something
new
and
we
never
hopefully
so
far
been
in
this
situation,
but
I'm
asking
representative
castle
to
reconsider,
moving
this
and
just
take
the
vote
today.
D
I
J
A
A
E
E
A
Any
objection
to
adding
the
bill
since
adding
the
amendment
to
the
bill
since
it
rewrites
the
bill
and
here
are
no
objections.
All
those
in
favor
of
adding
the
amendment.
Five,
six,
seven
zero
to
house
bill,
580
indicated
saying:
aye
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we're
now
back
on
your
bill,
it's
properly
amended.
A
E
This
amendment,
which
was
only
five
lines,
says
notwithstanding
any
other
law.
A
public
school
teacher
is
not
required
to
take
an
assessment
to
reactivate
a
license
from
this
state
that
has
expired
if,
at
the
time
of
application
to
reactivate
the
license,
the
public
school
teacher
possesses
an
active
professional
license
in
a
state
that
has
a
reciprocal
agreement
with
the
state
board
of
education
pursuant
to
tca
code
49-5-109.
A
That
explanation,
members
discussion
on
the
amendment
five,
seven,
zero.
Three
four.
We
got
a
motion
to
add
to
the
bill.
Any
objection
to
that
motion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor,
adding
7034
to
house
bill
580
and
you
keep
it
saying.
Aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we're
now
back
on
your
bill
is
fully
amended.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This
bill
has
prior
to
that
last
amendment
48
items
in
it.
It
was
essentially
a
cleanup
bill
that
was
originally
introduced
by
chairman
dunn
last
session
and
what
it
does
is
it
goes
through
the
code
and
makes
a
lot
of
changes.
Those
changes
were
related
to
what
this
body
did
in
2018,
wherein
we
required
that
agencies
promulgate
rules
instead
of
policies
for
certain
conditions.
E
In
addition,
I
will
mention
that
the
department
of
education
came
up
with
four
additional
cleanup
items
that
they
wanted
to
add
to
this,
and
I'm
perfectly
happy
to
go
through
all
48
of
this.
If
you
want
me
to
but
the
the
sum
total
of
these
things
is
they
they
basically
clean
the
language
up
to
ensure
that
we
are
in
compliance
with
other
portions
of
the
tca,
and
if
anybody
wants
to
know
specifics,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
give
them
to
you.
I
have
them
all
listed
right
here.
A
I've
got
a
question
on
the
bill,
called
any
objection
legal.
Can
we
roll
those
two
amendments
into
one?
Okay,
thank
you
that
that
is
request
and
done.
Okay,
the
motion
to
is
the
questions
we
call
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
moving
580
out
to
gov
ops
in
the
cape,
saying
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
A
E
A
E
E
E
E
Now
I
can
go
into
a
great
deal
more
on
this.
That
bill
has
in
it
as
well
as
in
requiring
these
organizations
to
inform
their
their
members.
What
the
total
cost
is
on
an
item
based
itemized
basis,
allowing
them
to
opt
out
or
in
on
an
annual
basis
at
any
time
that
they
choose.
However,
I'm
certain
that
many
of
you
would
want
to
hear
from
experts
in
this
field
and
therefore,
mr
chairman,
it's
your
pleasure,
the
committee's
pleasure.
We
have
expert
with
witnesses
to
be
heard
from.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
reagan.
I
have
on
the
list
to
mr
vincent
vernuccio.
Is
that
correct,
sir,
come
up
to
the
podium,
make
sure
the
red
lights
on,
and
we
are
out
of
session,
sir,
at
the
one
of
the
tables
it'll
be
fine.
Thank
you.
There's
a
little
button
make
sure
the
red
light
is
on
and
we
are
recorded,
live
so
state.
Your
name
and
your
your
title
for
those
listening.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
testify
here
today.
My
name
is
vincent
verduccio
and
I'm
a
senior
fellow
at
the
mackinac
center
for
public
policies.
Workers
for
opportunity
project
here
in
support
of
hb
1210,
is
basically
a
cleanup
bill
in
2011,
as
the
chairman
has
said,
tennessee
passed,
the
collaborative
conferencing
act
or
pekka,
which
was
a
compromise
bill
and
part
of
the
compromise
was
that
payroll
deductions
for
political
activities
would
no
longer
be
taken
out
of
educators.
L
L
It
simply
informs
educators
about
their
rights
that
they
have
now
a
first
amendment
right
to
choose
to
pay
dues
or
not
that
they
are
given
a
fresh
opportunity.
If
the
professional
association
is
collaborative
conferences
that
they
have
a
fresh
opportunity
yearly
for
their
members
to
make
a
decision.
You
know
we
heard
in
the
senate
committee
that
there's
one
teacher
that
likely
supports
the
professional
association
but
hasn't
been
given
a
fresh
choice
in
40
years
40
years.
L
It
brings
transparency
with
the
disclaimer
of
you,
have
a
right
to
choose
to
pay
or
not
pay.
This
is
how
much
you
will
be
paying
not
just
for
the
local
organization,
but
for
the
state
and
the
national,
and
finally,
it
ensures
good
bookkeeping
and
transparency,
making
sure
that
there
is
a
paper
trail
for
those
that
do
wish
to
pay
and
those
that
do
wish
to
join.
So
with
that,
I
am
happy
to
take
any
questions
and
once
again,
we
very
heartily
support
hb
1210.
Thank
you.
J
L
I
definitely
believe
there
is
a
conflict
between
pekka
and
between
what
the
supreme
court
said.
Yes,
the
supreme
court
said
that,
with
collaborative
conferencing
with
collective
bargaining,
everything
that
is
done
is
political
and
you
have
something
very
clear
within
pekka.
In
fact,
it's
49-5608
b6,
which
says
there
can
be
no
payroll
deductions
for
political
issues.
L
F
L
Right
now
I
mean
we
are
talking
about
the
collaborative
conferencing
act.
I
am
not
aware
of
any
other
portion
of
tennessee
law,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
tennessee
law
that
does
have
that
prohibition
on
political
funding
taken
out
of
a
employee's
paycheck.
So
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
a
good
answer
for
you,
but
it
is
very
clear
within
the
collaborative
conferencing
act
that
taking
money
from
someone's
paycheck
for
political
purposes
is
illegal.
K
Yes,
I
am
okay,
so
is
it
your
opinion
that
this
bill
only
affects
those
counties
that
are
participating
in
collective
conferencing?
So
let
me
let
me
provide
a
little
bit
more
clarity.
So
not
all
counties
in
tennessee
have
collective
conferencing
with
t.
I'm
sorry
collaborative
is
that
it?
Thank
you
so
collaborative
conferencing
with
tea
or
other
professional
organizations,
my
counties,
the
ones
that
I
represent.
K
They
do
take
out
the
the
the
tea
use
or
whatever
professional
association
out
of
the
paycheck,
but
it's
something
that
the
teacher
signed
up
for
maybe
years
ago,
and
so,
unless
the
teacher
tells
our
finance
office
to
stop
that
withdrawal,
that
withdrawal
continues.
So
does
this
bill
affect
my
county,
or
does
it
only
affect
those
counties
that
are
a
part
of
the
collaborative
conferencing.
L
I
believe
it
would
be
effective
to
the
collaborative
conferencing.
The
bill
is
specific,
the
language
in
the
bill
that,
in
order
for
a
school
district
or
a
county,
to
engage
in
collaborative
conferencing,
that
the
professional
association
would
give
teachers
that
opportunity
to
re-up
every
year
that
they
would
inform
them
of
their
rights
that
they
would
give
them.
The
information
on
how
much
dues
are.
K
L
I
mean
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
exact
aspects,
but
yes,
the
way
the
way
the
bill
is
written
is
that,
in
order
to
have
the
privilege
of
collaborative
conferencing
with
a
professional
association,
the
bill
requires
the
professional
association
to
have
that
transparency
to
give
that
notice
and
give
those
opportunity
to
teachers.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
A
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
jim
wright,
tennessee
education
association,
so
tennessee
tea
is
156
year
old,
professional
association.
We
are
a
professional
association
as
designated
by
our
bylaws
constitution
and
by
our
irs.
A
couple
of
things
that
I
heard
just
now
so
to
be
couple
clear,
right,
ta
membership
is
voluntary.
We
are
a
right
to
work
state.
Nobody
has
to
join
and
to
be
clear
under
any
member
may
drop
membership
at
any
time.
M
Ta
members
set
the
terms
of
our
membership
at
our
representative
assembly.
This
is
something
that
self-governance
and
what
our
membership
has
decided
is
that
membership
is
ongoing.
I
I
was
proud
the
fact
that
we've
had
a
we
have
a
member.
That's
been
a
member
for
41
years.
Never
has
she
thought?
Oh,
I
need
to
you
know
I
I
have
been
somehow
snookered.
M
M
It
is
every
teacher
statewide
now
our
point
is
this:
is
that
if
janus
has
been
mentioned
before
does
apply
to
a
lot
of
things
in
our
state,
that
would
mean
every
professional
association
state
employees,
twra
officers,
firefighters,
fop,
they
too
would
fall
under
this.
Somehow
we
are
now
out
of
compliance
with
the
supreme
court
ruling,
which
was
janus
versus
apme
asked
me,
but
the
fact
is
we're
a
right
to
work.
M
M
M
N
I'm
rick
colbert,
I'm
a
lawyer
here
in
nashville.
I've
practiced
law
for
40
years
here,
I'm
admitted
to
practice
and
have
appeared
before
the
state
and
federal
courts
throughout
our
throughout
our
state,
and
I
have
appeared
in
federal
courts
in
the
federal
appellate
courts
and
in
the
united
states
supreme
court.
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
janus
case.
In
my
work
for
tea
and
and
frankly,
it
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
this
bill.
N
Janus
was
a.
It
was
a
first
amendment
case.
It
was.
It
came
out
of
the
state
of
illinois,
because
illinois
had
a
state
law
that
implemented
an
agency
fee
where
non-members
of
the
afscme
union
had
to
pay
a
fee
to
the
union,
even
though
they
were
non-members,
they
had
to
do
it
by
virtue
of
a
state
law.
You
don't
have
a
first
amendment
issue
unless
you
have
government
action
either
by
the
federal
government
or
the
state
government
of
state
law.
I
can
restrict
the
speech
of
my
secretary.
N
I
can
restrict
anybody's
speech
in
my
house.
That's
not
a
first
amendment
violation.
There
has
to
be
government
action
for
there
to
be
a
first
amendment
violation
and
the
government
action
was
the
illinois
state
law
that
compelled
non-members
to
pay
an
agency
fee
to
the
union.
We've
never
had
a
state
law
like
that
in
tennessee.
We've
never
required
non-members
to
pay
anything
to
a
professional
employees
organization,
the
only
people
who
pay
are
members
and
they
pay
by
virtue
of
their
purely
voluntary
membership
agreement
with
the
organization.
N
N
This
this
body
would
not
be
correcting
a
constitutional
problem.
It
would
be
creating
a
constitutional
problem,
because
teachers
like
everybody
else,
enjoy
a
constitutional
freedom
of
expressive
association,
which
is
protected
by
both
the
first
and
the
14th
amendment,
and
when
the
state
tries
to
regulate
their
association,
it
invades
that
constitutional
freedom.
If
you
look
at
the
supreme
court
decision
in
roberts
versus
united
states
jaycees,
they
talked
about
this
was
in
1984.
N
They
talked
about
the
freedom
of
expressive
association
guaranteed
by
the
first
and
fourteenth
amendment,
and
they
said
government
actions
that
may
unconstitutionally
infringe
upon
this
freedom
can
take
a
number
of
forms,
among
other
things,
government
may
seek
to
impose
penalties
or
withhold
benefits
from
individuals
because
of
their
membership.
In
a
disfavored
group,
it
may
attempt
to
require
disclosure
of
the
fact
of
membership
in
a
group
seeking
anonymity
and
it
may
try
to
interfere
with
the
internal
organization
or
affairs
of
the
group.
N
O
Our
position
is
neutral
because
it
doesn't
create
a
huge
burden
to
us.
As
we
see
it
with
our
members.
We
actually
have
members
on
payroll
deduction
in
multiple
counties
that
this
is
the
process
they
do
have
to
enroll
every
year
and
send
that
authorization
into
their
to
their
district
and
that
would
be
easily
replicated
in
other
districts.
It's
not
particularly
difficult
on
our
end
to
do
that
or
to
implement
that,
and
we,
I
believe
that
most
of
the
districts
that
we
have
payroll
deduction
set
up
with
are
not
a
result
of
collaborative
conferencing.
A
K
And
just
a
quick
question
to
the
representative
of
pet,
since
you
all
have
been
neutral
on
the
bill.
Do
you
know
I
mean
in
your
opinion,
just
as
your
interpretation
of
this
bill?
Do
you
think,
do
you
think
it
does
just
apply
to
the
to
the
collaborative
conferencing
counties
or
does
it
I
mean
it
when
your
organization
has
analyzed
it
that
you
think
it
applies
to
everyone.
A
M
That
is
that
is-
and
we
are
very
serious
about
that-
that
this
would
require.
For
the
first
time,
a
a
a
professional
public
employees
of
any
group
to
then
have
to
re-sign
up
every
year.
And
it
is
just
simply
that
it
was
placed
into
the
collaborative
conferencing
area.
It
is
going
to
affect
every
teacher
statewide.
O
Yeah
I'll
go
ahead,
we
could
still
collect
them
if
it
passed
and
we
could
do
the
annual
notification
and
they
could
still
sign
up
that
way.
Like
I
said,
we
do
that
in
other
districts
already,
and
then
we
also
are
able
to
collect
dues
with
a
monthly
basis
by
credit
card
or
ach
collection.
Like
you
would
a
lot
of
other
bills,
you
probably
have
set
up
or
set
up
a
bill
paid
through
your
bank
or,
however,
you
wanted
to
do
it.
M
O
M
Not
only
that,
but
then
it
will
also
say
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that,
in
the
in
the
sign
up
that
that
those
sign
ups
will
be
at
the
inspection
of
not
only
every
school
system,
but
for
the
commissioner
of
education,
and
so
I
we
look
at
this
as
all
of
these
hurdles
and
other
things
that
are
placed
in
this
bill.
The
purpose
of
the
bill
is
to
make
maintaining
membership
as
burdensome
as
possible.
M
That
is,
and
not
only
burdensome
for
for
teachers,
unlike
any
other
professional
association.
I
reiterate
the
firefighters
state
employees,
state,
troopers
and
so
on,
but
that
also
with
all
of
this
paperwork,
it
becomes
burdensome
on
our
local
associations
and
it
becomes
burdensome
on
the
school
systems.
C
C
M
M
Actually,
I
I
have
to
say
if,
if
these
teachers
who
have
not
had
to
do
this
before
right,
do
not
somehow
because
again
in
this
owner's
burden,
that
is
new
upon
them,
that
this
state
is
going
to
impose
if
they
don't
fill
out
these
forms
every
year
and
that
the
confirmation
happens
and
so
on.
They
will
not
be
members
and
we
will
not
collect
dues
because
they
will
not
be
members
they're
going
to
have
to
sign
up
every
year.
M
C
C
C
C
C
M
M
Those
are
decisions
that
are
made
by
those
groups,
those
associations
right.
Those
are
freedom
of
association.
We
belong
to
things
as
we
belong
to
them
and
they
set
the
rules
of
membership.
So
there
are
other
things
that
of
course,
we
do
that
do
not
require
annual
reauthorization
every
year,
and
my
members
for
decades
have
decided
that
no
actually
membership
would
be
ongoing.
M
So
just
to
really
put
that
aside,
because
I've
heard
that
a
number
of
times-
and
this
would
be
this
bill-
puts
now
and
says
that
you,
the
tennessee
education
association,
your
members
are
wrong
right-
that
your
constitution
and
bylaws
are
wrong
and
that
we're
not
telling
any
other
public
employee
organization
or
professional
association.
You
have
to
do
these
things,
your
internals,
are,
you
know
we?
We
will
not
force
you
or
demand
that
you
do
this
in
state
law,
but
it
will
for
us
and
for
every
member.
M
Now,
having
said
that,
I
do
believe
that
when
you
have
an
organization
that
has
functioned
in
this
way
for
years
and
our
constitution,
bylaws
are
set
as
such,
that
that,
now
that
it's
imposed-
and
you
do
you
have
to
go
through
this
now
every
year-
is
a
burden
and
and
being
a
member
of
your
professional
association
is
really
important
to
our
members.
Again,
it's
voluntary
right
it
this.
You
know
that
you
remember
that
that
you
gain
things
for
it.
M
So
that
is
our
perspective,
and
if
this
bill
passes,
then
we
are
going
to
make
teachers
have
to
jump
through
and
just
as
one
other
side
too,
and
I
appreciate
your
questions,
mr
chairman,
but
I
mean
we
look
at
and
again
we
are
engaged
with.
We
have
members
in
all
141
districts
and
the
state
special
schools
and
some
of
our
locals.
You
know
run
into
the
thousands
and
that
when
you
start
to
look
at
the
concern
that
members
would
have
somehow
their
membership
would
be
dropped.
C
A
C
C
C
I
believe
that
your
association
probably
provides
a
very
good
service
to
the
teachers
if
this
bill
passes
now,
if
this
bill
doesn't
pass
nothing
changes,
but
if
this
bill
passes,
I'm
sure
your
teachers
will
just
be
looking
for
your
email
or
mailer,
however
you're
going
to
do
it
and
make
sure
that
they're
registered
to
continue
on
so
there's
really
no
question
there.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
ms
shores,
this
question's
for
you,
you
mentioned
that,
and
this
may
be
a
question.
That's
a
little
tough
to
answer,
but
you
mentioned
that
you
do
have
some
districts
that
that
opt-in
have
to
opt-in
every
year
as
compared
to
districts
that
don't
you
have
plenty
that
don't
also
with
regards
to
the
sizes
of
the
districts.
P
O
Actually,
for
us,
the
districts
where
we
have
the
most
members
using
payroll
deductions
are
the
ones
that
have
the
annual
requirement
and
that's
not
something
that
we
chose
to
do.
That's
why
it's
different,
depending
on
the
district,
it's
whatever
the
lea
has
decided,
is
their
requirement.
So
whatever
the
lea
tells
us,
this
is
how
we
do
our
payroll
deductions.
We
want
this
form
filled
out
every
year
or
we
want
this
on
the
form
or
whatever
their
process
may
be.
That's
what
we
follow.
O
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
that
we've
gotten
a
little
bit
off
point
of
what
the
baseline
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
here
is
it's
to
me.
Both
both
these,
these
associations
are
doing
a
good
job
of
what
their
association
membership
is
used
to
that's
the
baseline.
I
think
we
need
to
work
off
of.
We
have
teachers
that
are
used
to
doing
this.
F
F
You
probably
would
work
against
the
bill
saying
that
not
because
that
would
be
you
know,
maybe
a
bad
idea,
but
something
that
maybe
that
not
everybody
is
used
to
doing,
and
you
know
if,
if,
if
my
employer
came
to
me
and
said
you
know
we're
going
to
change
this,
I
think
that
it's
it's
something
that
you
just
need
to
say
the
baseline
doesn't
need
to
be.
If
something
can
be
done,
it's
like,
should
it
be
done
off
of
what
membership
is
currently
used
to?
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I'm
looking
at
something
that
really
convinces
me.
This
is
why
we
need
the
bill
and
if
I
can
read
this
from
putnam
county-
and
I
would
like
your
all's
response
on
it-
jim,
if
I
could,
but
it
it
the
policy
of
the
putnam
county
school
board
as
it
relates
to
ta
here,
here's
what
it
reads:
an
employee,
may
change
or
terminate
any
salary
deduction
upon
the
written
notification
to
the
board,
comma,
except
salary
deductions
required
by
contract
between
the
employee,
e
and
pekka.
D
So
in
other
words,
it
sounds
like
to
me
by
their
own
writing.
They
can't
get
out
of
this,
and
so
this
is
why
we
need
this
legislation,
because
if
a
teacher
wants
to
get
out
and
you
teaching,
for
example,
in
putnam
county
and
I'm
sure
in
other
counties
as
well,
you
can't
did
you
know
this
was
going
on
in
this
one
county.
M
D
D
D
M
D
Missed
chairman,
I
just
read
it,
and
and
and
what
I'm
hearing
is
one
thing
and
what
I'm
reading
is
another,
so
we
have
a
clear
clone,
which
is
a
reason
to
have
the
bill
in
code
to
make
it
very
clear
that
what
the
state
wants
and
the
county
understands
and
it's
in
compliance
and
it's
not
in
compliance.
Maybe
by
practice
it's
not,
I
hope,
you're
right,
but
by
the
letter
of
the
law
they
can't
get
out.
Thank
you.
A
N
I
I
I
would,
I
would
just
like
to
say
in
response
to
the
last
part
of
that
discussion,
the
the
the
simple
response
to
that
would
be
to
to
direct
school
boards
to
allow
people
to
stop
payroll
deduction
for
any
reason
upon
whatever
notification
they
may
give.
We
certainly
allow
them
to
drop
membership
upon
notification,
so
if
the
school
board's
not
acting
consistent
with
that,
the
simple
way
to
deal
with
that
is
to
direct
school
boards
about
about
how
to
allow
people
to
stop
payroll
deduction.
But
but
this
bill
doesn't
talk
about
that.
N
This
section
4
of
this
bill
doesn't
talk
about
payroll
deduction
at
all.
It
establishes
a
whole
host
of
conditions
upon
membership
and
how
membership
will
be
established
and
maintained,
and
and
with
all
due
respect
to
one
of
the
earlier
questions.
I
think
if
you
got
50
lawyers
up
here,
who
read
janus
and
understood
it
was
a
first
amendment
case
and
who
read
roberts
versus
jc's
and
understood
it's
a
first
amendment
and
14th
amendment
case
you'd
have
at
least
49
of
them
siding
with
me.
A
A
E
E
All
professional
employees
organizations
are
treated
equally
and
held
to
the
same
standard
in
this
bill,
regardless
of
their
size
or
influence.
A
great
deal
has
been
made
of
the
fact
that
firemen
and
other
public
officials
that
may
belong
to
a
different
professional
organization
are
not
held
to
that
same
standard.
E
True
or
not,
this
bill
does
not
address
that.
This
bill
only
addresses
the
professional
education,
educators
collaborative
conferencing
act,
which
this
body
passed
in
1911,
apparently
2011..
From
that
standpoint,
those
comparisons
are
extraneous.
They
have
no
bearing,
and
I
would
emphasize
also
as
was
mentioned
earlier.
I
too
belong
to
a
number
of
organizations,
both
professional.
Otherwise,
the
american
society
for
equality,
for
which
I
am
a
senior
member,
sends
me
a
notice.
Every
year
the
dedalians,
which
is
a
professional
fraternity
society
for
heavier
than
air
military
pilots,
sends
me
a
notice
for
dues.
E
E
E
I
have
a
copy
here
of
a
membership
form
from
the
tea,
we're
not
permitted
to
use
props,
but
this
this
membership
form
has
on
it
a
cancelled
check.
That's
marked
void
indicating
that
teachers
can
pay
that
way.
So
the
idea
that
they
can
only
do
payroll
deductions
is
not
even
in
their
own
membership
forms.
E
There's
a
lot
of
avenues
we
could
get
into
that
this
bill
covers
that
were
not
mentioned,
for
example,
requiring
an
organization
to
tell
their
members
on
an
annual
basis
exactly
on
an
itemized
basis
what
their
dues
are
and
where
they're
divvied
up.
For
example,
if
a
teacher
belongs
to
the
tea,
they
must
by
the
constitution
of
bylaws,
belong
to
the
nea
and
a
portion
of
their
dues
are
sent
to
the
nea.
E
E
F
I
I
think
the
what
the
the
problem
I
have
with
with
this
bill
is
not
neces.
You
know,
we've
gotten
in
the
weeds
and
we've
in
the
merits
of
it
can
be
debated
one
way
or
the
other.
I
mean.
We've
heard
that
49
lawyers
out
of
50
would
agree.
We've
heard
that
50
different
lawyers
could
come
in
here
and
have
50
different
opinions.
We've
heard
really
compelling
testimony
that
janus
applies.
We've
heard
really
compelling
testimony
that
janice
doesn't
supply,
I'm
getting
ready
to
say
something
I
didn't
think
I'd
ever
ever
say.
F
I
actually
think
we
need
more
time
and
actually
more
lawyers
with
expertise
to
give
us
some
opinions
on
this.
To
be
honest
with
you,
because
I
don't
think
we're
really
voting
on,
I
mean
here's
the
thing
if
janice
doesn't
apply
this
bill
is
not
needed
and
then
there's
confusion
on
whether
it
applies
and-
and
I
think
we
need
time
to
find
out
if
it
does,
because
if
there's
this
you
know,
we
don't
know
one
way
or
the
other.
F
A
A
B
B
D
P
A
A
D
D
D
P
A
C
A
Oh
lord,
keep
me
confused.
Okay
members,
here's
what
we're
going
to
do
we're
back
in
session.
Let
me
have
everyone's
attention
again
before
I
move
on
to
number
five
chairman
reagan:
we
do
have
a
guest
on
house
bill,
7.
house
bill
1501
by
representing
cochran
and
so
take
it
more
more
time
of
our
guest
house
bill.
1501,
chairman
cochran
you're
recognized.
K
K
K
A
K
You,
mr
chairman,
and
maybe
before
we
go
into
questions
to
me
specifically,
we
do
have
a
guest
with
us
who
flew
in
to
just
explain
an
example
of
what
a
service
would
look
like
like
what
this
program.
There
are
numerous
providers
of
this
type
of
service.
This
is
just
one
of
them,
but
this
would
give
us
an
idea
of
maybe
what
this
would
look
like
and
if
there
are
no
objections,
perhaps
we
go
out
of
a
session
to
hear
from
mr
trent
kaufman
that.
A
Objection
we're
at
a
session
and
mr
trent
kaufman
welcome,
sir,
and
I
understand
you
come
in
come
in
this
afternoon.
We
want
to
get
to
before
it
gets
too
late
and
just
make
sure
your
red
light
is
on
and
give
us
your
name
and
and
a
position
so
that
everybody
that's
listening
will
know.
You
recognize.
A
Q
Are
fantastic?
My
name
is
dr
trent
kaufman.
I
work
in
an
organization
called
education
direction.
We
call
it
ed
direction
for
short,
we're
a
team
of
teachers
who
are
helping
underperforming
schools
supporting
under
underperforming
schools
get
back
on
track.
I
was
able
to
listen
to
the
subcommittee
hearing
last
week
and
heard
several
questions
that
I
felt
like.
I
could
really
help
answer
based
on
my
experience
in
similar
programs
in
other
states
and
prepared
a
one-pager
that
I
that
I
brought
in
in
today's
world.
Q
I
I
understood
this
morning
that
I
was
unable
to
pass
out
paper
to
the
committee,
so
we've
the
technology
folks,
have
graciously
allowed
me
to
to
project
it
here
on
the
large
screen.
I
doubt
that's
terribly
helpful.
I
don't
know
how
well
you
can
read
it,
but
I'm
here
really
at
your
service
to
explain
how
this
program
has
worked
in
other
states
and
what
it
looks
like
on
the
ground.
Q
Q
Service
providers
would
be
vetted
by
the
state
after
which
each
individual
school
who's
identified
for
this
program
would
be
able
to
select
which
provider
they
choose
to
work
with.
The
job
of
this
provider
is
to
do
a
comprehensive
needs.
Assessment
find
out
some
of
the
root
cause
issues
causing
the
persistent
under
performance,
develop
a
long-term
school
improvement
plan
and
then
provide
intensive,
ongoing
support,
including
coaching
in
the
classroom
and
professional
development
and
leadership,
coaching,
etc.
Q
To
the
to
the
staff
at
the
school,
the
locals
run
the
school
make
all
the
decisions
and
decisions
in
terms
of
staffing
and
and
so
forth,
and
the
turnaround
committee
that's
formed
is
all
made
of
you
know,
folks,
who,
who
run
the
local
school.
The
outside
provider
is
simply
there
to
provide
support
and
assistance.
Q
Q
I'd
end,
just
by
saying
I'm
here
representing
in
support
of
this
bill,
I
represent
a
specific
entity
who
will
apply
to
be
part
of
the
vetted
provider
list,
but
have
been
doing
this
work
enough
to
to
know
that
the
best
providers
out
there
who
who
will
come
into
tennessee
and
who
hopefully
the
department,
will
vet
and
approve,
are
highly
reputable
organizations
from
all
walks
of
life.
Some
will
be
from
here
in
tennessee.
Q
Some
will
be
from
other
states
and
in
our
case
we
represent
the
diversity
that
that
exists
here
in
tennessee.
We
we,
you
know,
we
honor
the
fact
that
different
con
school
context,
different
demographic
groups,
deserve
to
be
served
by
folks.
Who've
had
success
in
those
exact
types
of
school
settings,
so
just
in,
in
summary,
we're
a
group
of
teachers
who
who
come
to
support
underperforming
schools
and
would
be
would
be
eager
to
help
here
in
tennessee
as
well.
I
Q
I
Q
It
loses
money
and
that
if
the
school
does
turn
around,
perhaps
the
organization's
able
to
you
know
not
only
pay
its
employees,
but
but
you
know,
make
make
a
profit
as
well,
and
what
we,
the
scope
that
we
work
on,
is
how
much
coaching
can
we
provide?
Is
it
you
know?
The
intent
here
is
coaching
every
single
week
for
every
single
teacher
for
a
three
year
period
that
the
core
three
years
of
the
of
the
program.
I
I
Q
We
brought
the
fullest
example
in
the
u.s
of
of
this.
There
are
several
states
that
are
in
the
middle
of
implementing
a
cohort
of
these
types
of
schools.
The
first
state
that
implemented
was
was
utah
and
it
implemented
in
the
2014-2015
school
year.
So
we
not
only
have
results
from
the
program,
but
also
did
those
results
sustain
after
the
program
was
over
and
on
the
back
side
of
this
document
that,
hopefully
you
can
see
in
front
of
you
and
if
not,
I
can
just
talk
you
through
it.
Q
It
shows,
during
that
same
it
shows
during
that
same
period
on
the
left.
Two
bars
show
that
in
the
state
of
utah
there
was
gradual
improvement,
both
in
math
and
ela
proficiency
at
two
percent
growth
during
that
three
year
period
in
the
entire
state
of
utah
and
three
point:
seven
percent
growth
in
math.
During
that
same
period,
there
were
25
26
schools
identified
for
the
program,
utah
allowed
schools
to
argue
out
of
the
argue
themselves
out
of
the
program.
Q
One
of
the
26
schools
convinced
the
state
board
of
education
that
they
they
had
this.
They
didn't
need
outside
help
and
this
the
state
board
of
education
allowed
them
not
to
participate.
The
middle
two
columns
are
the
25
participating
schools.
They
saw
over
30
percent
gains
in
proficiency
in
ela
and
math
during
that
period,
which,
of
course,
is
way
more
than
the
control
group
which
in
this
case,
we're
using
as
the
average
growth
in
the
state
of
utah
and
definitely
more
than
the
one
school
that
opted
out.
Q
They,
the
one
school
that
opted
out
saw
two
percent
growth
in
ela
and
a
negative
42
drop
in
math
and
again
this
is
a
school
that
claimed
they
had
it
and
they
didn't
need
this
kind
of
outside
outside
support
we're
seeing
similar
trends
in
other
states.
We
just
don't
have
the
full.
You
know
three
to
four
years
of
of
cohort
experience
to
show
in
in
some
of
the
other
states
that
are
implementing
similar
programs,
and
I
I
should
clarify
these
25
schools
did
not
all
work
with
ed
direction.
Q
Q
You
know
these
schools
often
have
you
know
these
schools
who
they're
often
title
one
school
so
from
a
poverty
standpoint,
they've
got
70
plus
percent
of
their
students
who
are
receiving
free
or
reduced
lunch,
which
is
one
of
the
qualifiers
for
for
title
one,
and
they
range
I
mean
we
work
in
more
than
25
states.
We
have
a
whole
team
in
north
carolina
working
in
places
like
charlotte,
charlotte
mecklenburg
and
all
the
way
out
into
the
rural
areas
of
north
carolina.
Q
So
we
typically
see
one
of
three
types
of
schools
who
qualify
for
these
programs.
The
first
are
urban
centers,
a
large
percentage
of
african-american
students,
high
percentage
of
those
receiving
free
and
reduced
lunch.
The
second
is
a
high
percentage
of
bilingual
learners.
We
do
a
lot
of
work
in
texas
and
a
lot
of
schools
on
the
border
between
mexico
and
texas
have
90
plus
percent
of
their
students,
who
are
learning
a
second
language.
That's
the
second
type
of
school.
We
see
qualify
for
these,
these
sorts
of
programs.
Q
Q
We
would
recommend
all
three
types
of
these
schools
participate
in
this
program
in
the
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
if
there's
other
you
know,
schools
who
would
qualify,
who
have
been
persistently
underperforming
that
that
we
tried
those
as
well.
Those
three
schools
represent,
probably
roughly
a
third,
a
third,
a
third
of
our
experience
around
the
country.
G
Q
G
Q
In
the
school,
it's
a
great
question.
I
unfortunately
I've
never
done
that.
I've
never
looked
at
it
that
exact
way.
So
I
can't
answer
your
question.
I
can
be
helpful,
though,
to
just
give
you
a
general
sense.
What
the
way
we
have
looked
at.
It
is
on
average
how
much
of
the
total
school's
operating
budget
you
know
relative
to
our
fees
and
what
we've
seen
is
somewhere
between
five
percent
of
a
total
school's
budget
is
spent
on
a
service
provider
like
art
like
us,
which
is
a
significant
it's
a
non.
Q
It's
not
that
it's
not
a
meaningful
amount,
but
it
you
know,
relatively
speaking,
is
a
is
a
reasonable
amount
to
spend
on.
You
know
a
service
that
should
should
help
turn
around
the
school,
and
I
think
you
know.
Maybe
I
didn't
clearly
answer
the
question
earlier.
Our
typical
fees
are
about
500
000
over
a
three
year
period,
so
you
know
that's
roughly
167
thousand
dollars
per
year,
and
so,
if
it's
a
four
year
period,
it's
a
it's.
It's
100
667
000,
that's
our
typical
fees,
half
of
which
are
fees
that
are
guaranteed.
Q
If
we
show
up
and
do
the
contract
as
we've
described
it,
the
other
half
is
contingent
on
the
school.
Turning
around
and
I'd
like
to
repeat
the
the
hope-
and
the
intention
here
is
teachers
receiving
weekly
coaching
depending
on
school
size,
weekly
coaching.
So
it's
a
very
intensive
type
of
support.
Right.
G
A
And
I
can
help
you
out
a
little
bit
here.
Members
remember
this
is
a
this
is
a
five-year
pilot
program.
This
bill
was
brought
to
us
to
see
if
this
model
may
work.
It's
a
five-year
pilot
program
taken
in
ten
schools
over
five
years
with
a
2.5
million
dollar
budget.
So
that's
approximately
500
000
per
school,
and
what
would
happen
is
from
what
I
understand
chairman
cochran,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
there
would
be
a
250
000
dollar
fee
given
provided
to
the
company.
A
The
turnaround
come
in
the
beginning
with
another
250
coming
at
the
end
of
the
five
years
of
the
turnaround,
because
at
five
years
it
goes
it.
It
ceases
if
the
school
does
not
improve,
then
that
250
000
does
not
go
so
a
minimum
of
250
000,
depending
on
how
at
the
school
was
turned
around,
not
so
where,
when
this
is
brought
to
chairman
cochran
and
and
I
sit
in
with
him,
I
think
you
would
like
this.
A
This
is
for
tier
two
schools,
schools
that
have
not
hit
the
priority
status
and
go
into
the
asd.
This
is
a
model.
I
think
we
could
look
at.
That's
why
it's
a
pilot
program
to
see
if
this
model
would
possibly
turn
around
these
schools
and
keep
them
from
going
into
the
asd,
which
I
think
would
get
a
handclap
from
from
you,
a
fellow
member,
but
that's
that's
what
it
does
it's
it's
it's
a
model
to
help
our
schools
not
go
into
priority
status
and
asd
and
see
if
it
works
anyone
else.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
thank
you.
You
did
mention
something
I
want
to
ask
about.
You
mentioned
control
group,
and
that
caused
me
a
little
bit
of
concern
there.
So
are
you
implying
that
there's
going
to
be
a
group
of
schools
that
will
receive
the
intervention
and
a
group
that
won't
receive
it
and
believes
they
will
or
what
what
I
know
what
a
control
group
is.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
schools
that
are
what
I'm
sorry.
Q
I
I
note
that
your
doctor,
dr
love,
so
you've
done
you've
done
your
research
statistics.
Yes,
sir,
the
the
traditional
and
accurate
way
to
use
the
term
control
group
is,
you
know,
especially
a
double
blind
or
a
or
a
gold
standard
kind
of
randomized
control.
Experiment
would
would
be
what
you're
describing,
which
is
a
group
of
schools
who
thinks
they're
receiving
the
treatment,
but
are
not.
That
word
is
used
in
the
bill,
which
is
why
I
use
the
word.
Q
There
are
10
schools,
but
obviously
that
will
not
be
receiving
the
intervention,
but
obviously
they
will
be
very
aware
that
they're
not
receiving
that
intervention
they're
there,
so
that
when
these
10
schools
who
participate
in
the
program
increase
their
performance,
which
I'm
very
confident
they
will,
you
can
compare
how
they
did
compared
to
the
10
schools,
and
so
it
it
maybe
not
in
a
scientific
way.
Can
you
say,
can
you
attribute
a
causal
relationship
between
the
intervention
and
the
and
the
outcomes?
Q
B
Okay,
thank
you
because
my
concern
was,
I
didn't
want
to
have
a
set
of
schools
that
were
receiving
the
intervention,
another
set
of
students
who
did
not,
and
we
were
just
letting
them
be
there
and
go
along
a
normal
course,
and
then
we
say
okay,
five
years
later,
this
group
over
here
that
did
not
receive
intervention
asd
in
this
group
here
who,
who
achieved?
Greatness?
B
A
B
Q
I'm
happy
to
I've
been
doing
this.
You
know
work
intensively
for
the
last
many
years
and
I
can't
imagine
a
I
haven't
seen
an
initiative,
that's
further
from
school
privatization
than
this
one.
It
is
explicitly
the
control
of
the
local
group
and
it's
explicitly
of
the
local
school
district,
and
it's
explicitly
for
the
purpose
of
helping
these
schools
avoid
losing
local
control.
Q
So
I
have
it's,
never
even
entered
the
conversation
in
any
of
the
places
where
we
have
been
it's
about.
Teachers
who
are
are
part
of
an
organization
helping
other
teachers,
implement
best
evidence-based
practices
with
fidelity
and
with
depth,
and
the
question
of
control
or
privatization
just
just
doesn't
come
up
by
the
nature
of
the
of
the
design.
Thank
you.
A
A
K
Sir,
thank
you
chairman
white
representative
hakeem.
Yes,
so
the
the
department
of
education,
they
are
officially
deferred,
but
they
have
been
working
very
closely,
both
with
with
the
the
senate,
sponsor
and
myself
on
on
the
amendment
and
making
sure
that
the
language
is
is
appropriate
and
again,
while
they
are
deferred,
they've
been
working
very
closely
with
us
in
drafting
the
legislation
to
ensure
that
that
they
can
implement
it
efficiently.
K
L
K
G
K
Thank
you,
representative,
parkinson,
that,
while
no
I
mean
the
school,
the
specific
schools
have
not
been
identified.
It
would
be
those
tier
two
schools,
those
who
have
been
on
the
priority
list
for
a
number
of
years
and
those
who
are
at
risk
of
being
in
the
asd.
The
process
for
this
would
start
in
september.
Let's
see
about
september
of
2021,
and
let
me
make
sure
I've
got
that
correct.
K
Yeah
september
of
2021
is
when
the
process
would
begin
and,
and
that
begins
with
creating
a
school
turnaround
plan
where
your
local,
lea,
where
they
appoint
members,
there's
the
principal
of
the
school
parents
of
students
enrolled
in
the
school
teachers
there
a
school
board
member
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
the
process
begins.
They
develop.
This
turnaround
plan
the
local
board
of
education.
K
They
decide
which
one
of
these
providers
that
they
want
to
contract
with
which
one
they
feel
would
best
fit
their
needs
and
then
that
that's
kind
of
what
kicks
the
process
off
and
then
it
and
then
it
ends.
You
know
roughly
about
five
years
after
that
and
I'm
searching
to
find
the
exact
date.
But
you
know
it's
going
to
go
going
to
end
in
about
20
25.
G
Recognize
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
that
representative
cochran.
It
almost
sounds
eerily
familiar
like
the
almost
like
the
izone
model
is
there,
you
know
that's
the
same
thing
that
they
were
doing
in
izone
also,
but
you
know
if,
if
I
don't,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
your
bill,
so
I
I
I
you
know,
I
think
I
think
I'll
be
supporting
it.
I
think
I
will.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
sponsor
we.
We
discussed
this
a
little
bit
in
subcommittee
last
week.
My
concern
here
is
that
we're
passing
legislation
to
create
a
contract
for
private
companies
to
come
in
from
out
of
state
and
tell
our
teachers
how
to
do
their
jobs.
We
have
statutes
on
the
book
that
have
very
strict
requirements
on
teacher
qualification
in
tennessee
and
we're
very
proud
of
how
we
train
our
teachers
and
the
job
that
they
do,
and
so,
ultimately,
what
we'd
be
doing
here
is
paying
2.5
million
dollars
to
have.
I
In
this
case
teachers
come
from
utah
to
tell
tennessee
teachers
how
to
do
their
job
better,
with
an
expectation
that
they
would
get
results.
I
I'm
really
concerned
about
that
private
insertion
into
our
public
schools
and
us
creating
contracts.
You
know
of
significant
funds
to
be
paid
for
by
taxpayers
to
these
private
companies
from
out
of
state.
I
To
do
this
so
same
concerns
I
had
last
week
in
subcommittee
just
want
to
reiterate,
reiterate
those,
and
I
appreciate
the
aim
of
the
legislation
I
I
certainly
take
issue
with
asd,
so
anything,
that's
not
asd
is
generally
positive,
but
this
one
the
way
we're
doing
it
in
the
private
companies.
I
just
have
a
real
problem,
so
thank
you.
A
Okay
questions
been
called
an
objection
to
the
question
hearing:
none
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
house
bill,
1501
out
of
finance
ways
and
means,
and
it
keeps
saying
aye
opposed
guys
have
it
does
move
out.
Thank
you,
chairman
concord
members.
Now
it's
10
to
6,
but
this
has
been
our
last
committee
and
I
think
some
other
bills
are
pretty
easy.
We're
going
to
keep
moving
moving
forward.
So
I'm
gonna
now
go
back
to
item
number.
Five
chairman
reagan
motion
is
second
on
house
bill.
One
two,
six,
six
chairman
reagan,
you're
recognized.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
sharon.
Hopefully
this
is
one
of
those
easy
quick
bills.
You
were
talking
about
very
quickly.
The
problem
is
the
current
law
on
workers,
compensation
and
related
issues
when
it
comes
to
lea
personnel,
is
unclear
and
challenging
to
implement,
especially
for
districts
that
do
not
have
workers
comp
insurance,
that
is
to
say
some
of
our
larger
districts
are
self-insured.
E
What
this
bill
does
now
that
it's
amended
is
essentially
three
things.
It
clarifies
the
law
by
deleting
the
language
shall
be
the
same
as
as,
if
lea
workers
compensate
as
if
lea's
workers,
compensation
and
substitutes
that
the
lea
must
comply
with
the
personal
injury
rules
of
the
state
board
of
education.
E
The
personal
injury
rules
of
the
state
board
of
education
gives
minimum
requirements
for
what
an
lea
must
be,
must
provide
for
personal
injury
relief
for
teachers
and
dictates
that
the
lea
must
create
a
policy
to
address
this
rule.
The
second
thing
it
does
is
it
clarifies
that
full
benefits,
as
used
in
the
law,
will
be
those
benefits
that
the
lea
provided
and
the
employee
opted
into
at
the
time
of
leave.
This
ensures
the
teacher
will
continue
to
be
provided
the
same
benefits,
the
lea
provided
before
the
injury.
A
A
R
Yes,
thank
you,
chairman
white.
This
is
the
bill
that
we
discussed
last
week
that
would
create
a
grant
program
for
growing
school
districts
where
these
growing
school
districts
would
receive
some
funding
from
the
state
to
build
new
schools
or
for
other
education
capital
projects.
The
question
was
asked
last
week:
could
federal
stimulus
money
be
used
to
fund
this
grant
program,
and
I
have
spoken
with
the
department
of
education.
The
state
is
receiving
several
billion
dollars
from
the
federal
government
in
sr2
and
sr
3.0.
R
R
Although
what
is
clear,
is
the
state
can't
tell
the
leas
how
to
spend
their
90
of
the
money,
so
I
think
that
there
would
be
potentially
some
room
to
fund
this
with
federal
dollars,
although
I
should
say
that
the
rules
are
still
being
developed
and
passed
down
to
us
from
the
federal
government,
so
we're
still
learning
what
we
can
and
can't
do
with
the
money.
I
want
to
add
one
more
thing:
the
federal
government
is
also
discussing
an
infrastructure
plan.
R
It
seems
like
that
infrastructure
plan,
if
or
when
it's
passed,
would
provide
money
for
the
state
that
could
also
be
used
for
something
like
schools.
We
don't
know
that
for
sure,
but
it
seems
like
that's
a
that's
a
possibility,
and
so
with
that
answer
to
the
question,
I
stand
ready
to
answer
your
questions,
and
I
ask
you
to
consider
providing
this
pool
of
grant
money
allocated
through
this
bill
to
help
our
lease
build
schools.
J
R
P
P
Funneling,
that
toward
just,
however,
it
gets
funded
is,
is
just
a
huge
concern
for
me
and-
and
you
know
in
discussions,
it's
been
a
concern
that
I've
heard
honestly.
I
I
think
we
might
be
a
little
better
off
to
to
look
at
this,
maybe
next
year,
in
my
opinion,
because
see
where
this
money
comes
see,
what
we
can
do
with
it.
P
I
would
just
like
just
to
think
about
that
about
putting
it
off
and
seeing
what
what
direction
we
might
can
go
with
these
funds
to
make
sure
they
are
spent
evenly
across
the
state
to
the
districts
that
that
need
it
evenly
I'll
make
a
and
with
that.
Let
me
go
ahead.
I'll
make
a
motion
to
roll
this
to
first
calendar
of
february
of
2022.
R
Thank
you,
chairman
hurt
in
order
to
qualify
for
the
grant
funding.
All
lea
has
to
do
is
to
have
grown
by
two
percent
over
a
five
year
period.
That's
not
two
percent
per
year.
That's
just
two
percent.
Over
a
five
year
period,
so
rural
districts,
suburban
districts,
urban
districts,
they
all
may
be
eligible
if
they've
grown
by
two
percent
chairman
hurt,
your
your
district
may
may
in
fact
be
eligible.
In
fact,
I
ask
the
department
of
education
to
examine
how
many
leas
would
potentially
benefit
from
this
program,
and
it's
evidently
39.
A
A
Five:
eight
seven,
eight,
yes
ma'am,
okay
members,
that
does
rewrite
the
bill,
and
so
without
objection
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
five,
eight
seven
eight
to
house
bill
one
two,
nine
four
and
it
keeps
saying
aye
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
we
now
on
a
properly
amended
bill
house
bill
1294.
Would
you
like
to
describe
to
us
what
the
bill
does.
I
First
folks
from
tennessee
are
penalized
if
they
come
home,
if
they
stayed
long
enough
for
the
licensure
from
tennessee
to
expire,
and
so
what
this
would
do,
would
it
would
remove
that
penalty
for
people
coming
home
to
tennessee
we're
facing
a
teacher
shortage
currently
and
teachers
from
nashville,
knoxville
and
upper
east
have
reached
out
to
tell
me
that
this
would
put
them
back
in
the
classroom
in
the
fall.
I
hope
we
can
put
our
kids
first
and
fisk
fix
this
glitch
in
our
code
and
get
great
teachers
back
in
the
classroom
in
tennessee.
E
A
I
A
B
A
A
P
A
Okay,
do
you,
I
don't
believe,
there's
amendment
on
on
this
bill?
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Members.
Let
me
make
sure-
and
I
appreciate
this-
I
want
to
come
to
the
well.
I'm
gonna
follow
chairman
ray
reagan's,
lead
and
come
to
the
well,
so
you
can
see
my
face.
Oh
this
is
this
is
a
one
I'm
caring
for
the
senate
when
we
passed
the
bill
back,
durham
special
session
that
allowed
for
there
to
be
a
waiver.
Excuse
me
a
requesting
a
waiver.
This
allows
the
parents
to
ask
for
that
waiver.
A
What
I
really
like
about
this
bill
is
part
of
section
two.
It
says
immediately
upon
determining
that
a
student
in
kindergarten
through
grade
three
has
a
significant
reading
deficiency
based
on
the
results
of
the
universal
reading
screener
most
recently
ministered
to
the
student,
the
lea
or
the
public
charter
school
must
notify
the
student's
parent.
In
writing
that
the
student
has
been
identified
to
have
a
significant
reading
deficiency
and
provided
this
and
provide
the
student
parents
with
this
information.
A
Now
we
don't
need
to
wait
until
third
grade
to
tell
the
parents
that
the
child
is
going
to
be
retained.
So
section
two
all
along
the
parents
are
notified
now
third
grade.
If
the,
if
the
school
determines
that
the
child
is
in
priority
status
or
approaching
and
they
are
retained,
then
the
parent
is
allowed
to
ask
for
the
waiver,
and
so
that's
the
gist
of
what
this
bill
does
give
the
parent
the
right.
We
all
we
always
kind
of
default
to
the
parents
on
that.
D
I
Famous
chairman,
it's
not
as
important
as
pizza,
but
my
question
is,
and
concern
is
the
same
as
I
expressed
in
the
subcommittee.
Is
that
we're
limiting
this
to
the
parent
or
guardian
and
there's
some
instances
where
the
parent
or
guardian
might
not
understand
the
appeals
process
or
it
might
not
be
on
the
ball
so
to
speak,
and
I
would
hate
for
a
teacher
not
to
be
able
to
act
as
the
backstop
and
an
appeal
on
behalf
of
a
child
who
they've
spent
time
with.
I
A
To
that
from
what
I
understand
and
this
bill
is
brought
to
me-
you
know
this
when
we
passed
this
in
prior
in
in
a
special
session.
Let
me
just
kind
of
read
this.
It
says
currently,
the
state
board
of
education
is
charged
with
developing
rules
to
establish
an
appeal
process.
I
said
waiver,
I
meant
to
say
appeal,
appeal
process
to
be
administered
by
the
department
of
education
for
a
student
who
has
identified
for
retention
in
the
third
grade
based
on
the
students
achieving
performance
leveraging
of
approaching.
A
So
basically,
at
that
point,
if
the
child-
and
I
think,
if
there's
been
communication
since
kindergarten
and
the
teachers
are
involved,
the
principles
involved,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
parents
may
know
something
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
jump
in
at
that
point
in
time
and
and
ask
for
an
appeal.
Also,
this
is
puts
the
parent
in
the
equation.
When
we
came
out
of
special
session
and
basically
just
said,
there
will
be
an
appeal
process,
but
it
wasn't
clear.
P
P
P
A
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
chairman
and
members.
The
the
amendment
was
added
this
this
fixed
a
typographical
era.
If
you
want
to
know
what
it
is
we
can,
we
can
certainly
have
legal
tell
us
what
that
is,
but
it's
a
typo
error
error,
but
if
okay,
if
you
don't
need
that
this
is
about
dual
enrollment,
we,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
lottery
calendar
every
year
and
in
a
chairman
lafferty's
committee,
we
had
a
let's
say
a
lottery
calendar
and
we
had
several
bills.
Come
out.
This
one
deals
with
dual
enrollment.
A
This
will
completely
pay
for
four
dual
enrollment
courses
for
our
high
school
students.
Now,
why
is
this
great
is
because
you
take
a
dual
enrollment,
which
is
a
college
course
and
if
you've
done
four
of
these,
you
have
approximately
what
say:
12
credit
hours
when
you
go
to
a
volt
tech,
school
or
higher
education,
which
which
puts
you
along
the
way-
and
so
this
completely
pays
for
that.
P
Thank
you,
chairman
white
members.
Any
questions
on
the
bill
question
being
called
no
objections,
we'll
be
voting
on
house
bill
752,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed.
No,
I
have
it
bill
moves
on
to
finance
and
looks
like
we
may
be
753
where
next
on
the
list
members
is
house
bill,
753
by
chairman
white
have
a
motion
in
a
second
properly
motioned
and
seconded
chairman.
You
are
recognized.
P
A
Thank
you,
chairman
members.
Basically,
I
think
you'll
like
this.
This
will
help
our
school
systems
out.
As
you
know,
the
federal
government
requires
through
the
idea,
the
individuals
with
the
disabilities
act,
but
they
also
have
a
free
public
education,
but
this
cost
our
schools
across
the
state
about
60
million
dollars
under
federal
law.
The
individuals
with
disabilities
act
or
idea
are
required
to
provide
certain
health
related
and
medical
assistance
services
within
the
school
facilities
and
fair
to
provide
these
services
to
10
to
10
care
eligible
students
has
punitive
consequences.
A
The
leas
are
currently
providing
those
services
to
licensed
professionals
which
are
either
employees
of
the
lea
or
independent
contractors.
However,
the
lease
are
absorbing
100
of
the
cost.
This
is
costing
the
lease
approximately
60
million
dollars,
as
I
said,
because
the
ida
requires
the
leds
to
provide
these
services.
A
A
The
lease
are
able
to
the
lease
are
able
to
receive
the
position
authorization
in
less
than
30
of
the
time
of
eligible
claims.
This
means
that
seven
percent
of
the
eligible
claims
remain
unprocessed,
costing
our
lease
millions
of
dollars.
What
this
amendment
simply
does
is
remove
the
physician
or
authorization
requirement
on
certain
services
and
those
services.
I've
got
right
here
are
four.
A
They
are
a
physician,
a
physical
therapist,
an
occupational
therapist,
a
speech,
language
pathologist
and
an
audiologist
where
the
authorization
removed
and
by
removing
this
requirement
only
for
these
four
license
professionals
and
provide
services
within
the
school-based
setting
we'll
remove
a
major
obstacle
for
the
lease
to
allow
them
to
successfully
seek
reimbursement.
Basically
we're
not
getting
money
back
from
the
federal
government
for
leas,
and
so
this
will
bring
more
dollars
down
to
the
federal
government
for
our
schools.
J
A
Now,
what
I
understand
whenever
they
have
to
incur
these
because
expenses
of
students
with
disabilities,
they
require
certain
attention.
So
this
is
the
thing
I
say
so
this
allows
us
through
tenncare
to
draw
down
these
dollars
for
the
through
through
through
tenncare,
for
the
schools
can
get
reimbursed.
It's
it's.
Does
that
make
sense.