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House Education Instruction Committee- February 9, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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C
Thank
you
I'll,
be
very
brief.
Committee
members
and
chairman
currently,
when
the
standards
review
committee
goes
through
the
whole
process
of
the
standards
and
recreating
the
standards
for
what
the
next
adoption
cycle
is
going
to
be
based
off
of
current
tennessee
law
in
code
states
that
the
state
board
of
education
shall
adopt.
That's
the
only
option
that
the
state
board
of
education
has
is
shall
adopt
what
this
bill
does.
C
C
This
is
all
this
bill
does
and,
like
I
said,
I
have
been
assured
and
I'm
sure
if
you
ask
them
this,
the
department
and
the
board
of
education
will
come
and
testify
that
they
understand
that
the
word
revise
is
with
a
scalpel,
very
narrow,
very
constrained,
so
that
if
any
changes
are
made,
I'm
reminding
you
when
these
policies
and
rules
are
made.
They
wind
up
before
our
colleague
chairman
reagan,
here
in
gov
ops.
C
So
there's
another
blush
at
this
to
make
sure
that
if
somebody
isn't
playing
right
or
playing
fair
with
each
other,
we
have
the
backstop
of
gov
to
come
in
behind
to
make
sure
that
they
are
playing
well
together
in
regards
to
the
standards
of
our
state.
Madam
chairman
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
questions.
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
thank
you
to
the
sponsor
for
that
explanation,
but
I
guess
I'll
I'll.
You
know,
as
it's
defined
I
would
say
a
a
revision
can
and
can
be
more
machete-like
than
than
scalpel
like
so
that
that
that
is
the
one
term
that
that
I
guess
concerns
me.
Would
you
be
willing
to
entertain
because
I
love
your
examples
and
your
examples
make
perfect
sense,
and
I
do
think
so.
Let
me
be
clear.
D
Things
of
that
nature,
but
could
you
or
would
you
consider
you
know,
saying
something
like
non-intent
changes
or
non-content
changes
can
be
made
or
they
can
just
reject
it
and
send
the
whole
thing
back?
I
think
that
would
accomplish
if
they
have
a
a
content,
change
or
something
they
just
don't
like
that.
These
experts
have
sent
them.
They
can
just
the
school
board
can
just
reject
it
and
send
the
whole
thing
back
and
then
that
that
that
will
restart
the
process.
A
E
C
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
committee,
members,
so
representative,
to
address
your
question
and
and
if
it's,
if
this
works,
which
the
state
board
and
the
department
think
this
will
solve,
you
solve
the
issue
here
and
then
you
can
make
it
in
the
form
of
emotion
of
what
I
say:
okay,
fair
enough!
So
here's
the
correction-
and
I'm
talking
the
legal
here.
C
A
F
Katie
robertson
offices
of
legal
services
in
section
1
c
2,
it
will
say
the
state
board
of
education
may
adopt
reject
or
make
technical
non-substantive
revisions
to
the
standards.
These
the
standards
recommendation
by
the
committee,
but
the
state
board
of
education
shall
adopt
a
set
of
standards
in
english,
language,
arts
and
mathematics
that
fit
the
needs
of
the
tennessee
students
in
kindergarten
through
grade
12.
Then
the
section
2
b2
will
state
the
state
board
of
education
may
adopt,
reject
or
make
technical
non-substantive
revisions
to
the
standards.
A
D
Thank
you
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
and
and
just
thank
you
for
that,
to
sponsor
and
and
and
thank
you
to
the
to
legal,
could
could
you
I
just.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
you
know
undoing
something.
The
word
technical
from
from
from
a
legal
standpoint
that
just
did
that
that's
more
administrative!
A
D
A
C
A
C
Then,
just
to
reiterate
to
the
department
and
the
state
board
of
education
when
that
policies
and
rules
are
put
together
and
how
this
is
going
to
take
effect
that
has
to
go
through
government
operations.
So
we'll
get
another
blush
of
that.
If
there's
anything
different
there,
we
would
be
made
aware
of
it.
Is
that
a
correct
thumbs
up?
A
G
G
And
that
does
make
the
bill.
Am
I
recognized?
Madam
chairman?
Yes,
you
are
reckoning
this.
This
essentially
addresses
a
problem.
I
think
that
we've
all
heard
from
our
teachers
it
permits
in
grades
three
through
five,
that
the
paper
testing
for
the
tcap
remain
in
place
for
the
remainder
of
this
school
year
and
also
in
the
school
year
of
22-23.
G
It
further
allows
the
middle
school
testing
by
paper
to
remain
in
place,
and
there
is
a
provision
in
the
the
third
section
that
says
after
2021
22
school
year,
the
commissioner
shall
determine
the
format,
meaning
that
they
shall
revisit
this
policy
and
make
it
enabling
to
look
at
the
circumstances
at
the
time
in
in
and
what
we're
finding
and
I'll
read
this
verbatim
from
a
mister
bob
nardo.
He
was
very
successful
charter
school
director
in
memphis.
G
An
international
study
of
half
a
million
students
found
that
an
increased
technology
in
the
increased
use
of
technology
directly
correlates
with
reduction
in
test
scores,
and
so
what
we're
finding
is
kids
have
test
anxiety
when
they're
having
to
also
concern
themselves
with
learning
another
way
to
communicate
their
their
testing
scores
and
so
happy
to
take
questions.
This
is
just
simply
enabling
our
kids
to
perform
at
the
top
of
their
performance
levels
without
one
more
barrier.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
A
H
H
Excuse
me,
his
indication
to
me
was
that
they
did
much
better
testing
with
the
paper
test
and
I
I
completely
understand
the
sponsor.
I
don't
want
to
mess
up
the
sponsor's
bill
or
whatever,
but
I
like
the
paper
testing
approach
and
unless
there's
data
and
study
to
say,
students
do
better
with
the
online
tablet
testing
or
something
like
that.
I
say:
let's
stay
with
the
tried
and
true
method.
So
I
I
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
huge
fan
of
the
amendment,
but
I
I
definitely
support
the
bill.
A
G
But
thank
you
for
entertaining
me
and
we're
in
each
other's
line
of
vision,
so
it's
everybody's
gonna
be
robbing
today.
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
my
colleagues
comments.
Clearly,
I
think
we
would
all
prefer
for
our
elementary
school
students
to
be
unencumbered
by
having
that
that
concern
about
testing.
Also
the
the
students
who
are
education
as
second
language
learners,
are
also
that
they've
got
additional
layers
on
so
the
original
intent
of
the
unamended
bill
was
to
just
you
know,
to
remove
all
barriers.
G
And
so
I
think
that
this
committee
is
in
a
posture
that
in
a
couple
of
months,
you'll
get
data,
and
I
think
that
we're
going
to
know
exactly
what
that
data
says
and
that
data
is
going
to
show
that
the
particularly
in
the
elementary
and
the
middle
school
space
that
kids
do
better
on
paper.
And
then
it
will
be
this
out.
G
The
opportunity
of
this
particular
body
to
bring
forward
the
department
and
and
maybe
revisit
this
for
the
future,
but
I
think
that
we're
kind
of
an
ongoing
pilot
and-
and
I
think
that
our
points
will
be
proven.
I
do
want
to
recognize
mr
nardo
for
for
for
your
phone
call
yesterday
your
assistance
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
in
doing
good
things
with
charter
schools
and
making
a
difference
in
our
children.
But
but
to
that
end
you
know,
for
the
purpose
of
of
having
a
real
time
impact.
G
C
If
you
all
recall,
before
we
tested
last
year,
the
last
issue,
the
last
testing
data
we
had
was
from
a
complete
online
testing
system,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
went
out
to
get
a
new
vendor
was
because
it
was
a
total
failure
and
we
all
know.
While
we
were
sitting
up
here,
we
were
bombarded
from
our
districts
of
complaints.
C
I
didn't
receive
one
complaint
on
the
implementation
of
the
test,
not
one
complaint.
Now.
I
think
the
compromise
struck
here
in
this
bill
provides
us
the
ability
to
gather
data
as
we
start
to
roll
out
the
new
online
provider
this
year
in
9
through
12,
we're
going
to
see
how
that
goes,
and
if
it
goes
poorly
then
maybe
we're
back
here
next
year
saying
we're
going
to
stay
paper
only
if
it
goes
well,
then
the
following
year,
middle
school
would
be
involved
there
and
we
can
roll
this
out
rather
slowly.
C
I
I
am
a
firm
believer
that
a
paper
test
in
early
ed
is
the
way
to
go
now.
The
data
may
or
may
not
support
that.
I
think
the
data
will
support
that
middle
school
and
high
school
with
the
way
technology.
Is
we
see
that
there's
probably
going
to
be
challenges
for
our
kids
staying
paper
in
9
through
12?
Maybe,
but
I
think
we
can
get
the
data
this
year
see
how
it
goes
with
the
vendor
and
if
we're
back
here
next
year,
then
we
can
address
issues
that
may
that
may
pop
up.
I
I
was
hoping
to
go
last.
Thank
you,
reverend
smith,
for
your
for
your
passion.
I
talked
to
bob
of
the
day.
I've
been
down
toward
the
school.
I
guess
it
was
seven
eight
years
ago
that
it's
libertas
right
libertas
in
memphis,
really
impressed
had
a
good
conversation
with
him.
The
other
day
about
it
was
just
a
myriad
of
issues
with
with
education
and
and
getting
parents
involved.
I
heard
you
speak
at
an
event.
I
I
guess
was
score
here
recently
a
couple
months
ago
with
miss
sarah
carpenter
out
of
memphis,
and
if
anyone
hadn't
seen
her
youtube,
video
ted
talk.
It's
the
coolest
ted
talk.
I've
ever
seen
just
type
in
youtube.
Sarah
carpenter,
memphis
lyft,
it's
great
some
of
y'all
need
to
have
you
seen
it
scott,
it's
awesome,
but
hats
off
to
sarah
and
her
passion,
but
but
thank
you
for
for
what
you're
doing
representative
and
and
if
I
can
get
you
because
you
know
where
I
wish
bob
could
come
up
and
speak.
I
I
disagree
with
that
rule,
but
we
need
to
have
more
conversation
rather
than
less
conversational
education
and
on
testing
over
testing
and
just
all
the
bureaucracy
that
teachers
are
frustrated
with.
Principals
are
frustrated
with,
and
it
just
seems
like
you
know,
what
is
it
we're
gonna
have
30
minutes
and
we're
out
of
here
and
we're
talking
about
such
important
issues.
A
A
G
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
mr
nardo,
and
I
hope
I
get
this
correctly,
but
you
are
in
charge
of
the
charter
school
in
memphis
and
maybe
has
has
the
best
scores
of
students
in
the
state
or
at
least
memphis
area.
Is
that
correct?
So
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
you
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
dedication
to
our
students.
J
Well,
that
is
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
yeah
I've
known
bob
for
for
a
while
and
everything
and
when
we
talk
about
charters.
This
is
this
area.
I
used
to
live
in
this
area
50
years
ago
and
it's
a
very
economically
distressed
area,
and
this
is
the
highest
performing
charter
in
the
state.
Is
that
correct
or
among
the
highest
okay,
and
so
it
just
proves
that
it
can
be
done
with
proper
leadership
when
we
get
to
these
children
in
this
way.
So
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
for
being
here
today.
C
Real
quick,
I
know
we're
getting
into
budget
here,
but
I
would
like
to
make
a
request
that
the
department
come
in
and
explain
to
us
the
changes
that
are
being
made
in
education
this
year,
so
we
can
all
wrap
our
heads
around
this.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
rather
probably
a
lengthy
presentation,
so
we
can
be
prepared
for
that
to
be
able
to
ask
questions.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.