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House Finance, Ways, and Means Committee- March 2, 2021
A
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
before
we
get
underway
today,
seeing
none?
We
do
have
three
bills
on
our
calendar
today
then
we're
going
to
hear
a
very
brief
expansion
hearing
from
the
tennessee
housing
and
development
agency
and
then
a
budget
hearing
from
the
department
of
corrections.
So
we
have
a
full
calendar
and
a
full
schedule
and
we
will
just
move
on
with
it.
The
first
item
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill,
75
by
representative
calfi.
D
D
C
D
E
D
Okay
and
so
from
the
five
million
they'll,
be
able
to
leverage
those
funds
to
do
their
capital
maintenance
ex
work,
and
so
do
you
see
that
the
amount
of
capital
maintenance
that
they
need
would
eat
up
those
dollars
fairly
quickly?
I'm
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
if
they
have.
Let's
say
they
have
capital
maintenance.
D
That's
you
know
been
deferred
for
years,
maybe
three
or
four
years
of
not
doing
anything,
and
so
now
they
have
a
backlog
of
capital
maintenance
that
may
add
up
to
maybe
about,
let's
just
say
three
million
dollars,
and
so
now
they'll
be
able
to
take
three
millions
directly
out
of
that.
Trump's
fund
apply
toward
that
maintenance,
one
time
or
continue,
and
they
get
some
more.
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
see.
D
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
the
sponsor:
do
we
know
the
initial
parameters
for
the
trust
fund?
The
only
thing
that
concerns
me
is
we.
I
know
we
have
deferred
maintenance
and
I
think
one
of
the
other
agencies
said
that
number
was
right
at
2.2
billion
billion,
but
I'm
a
little
concerned
if
we're
diverting
money
that
was
intended
to
take
care
of
people
and
now
we're
taking
care
of
buildings
and
doing
maintenance,
I'm
afraid
that's
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
initial
intent
of
that
fund,
and
that
is
concerning
to
me.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
lucian
geiss,
I'm,
the
general
counsel
for
the
department
of
fna
representative
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
that
that
when
this
these
trusts
were
put
into
statute,
they
were
to
be
spent
on
programmatic
expenses,
a
list
of
what
those
are,
but
in
principle
those
are
recurring
expenses
and
what
we
have
run
into
is
that
we
have
sales
of
property
that
is
tied
to
those
respective
departments
that
are
one-time
costs
that
are
deposited
into
the
the
trust
fund
and
in
a
from
a
budgeting
perspective.
G
G
Intent
from
a
ongoing
recurring
expenses
to
a
re
to
a
one-time,
non-recurring
expense,
the
representative
camper,
your
question
is,
I
don't,
have
the
specific
dollar
amount,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
the
capital
maintenance
needs
of
both
the
idd
and
mental
health
exceed
what
is
available
now.
So
we're
trying
to
use
this
trust
fund
if,
if
new
dollars
come
in,
if
they
do
sell
property
that
we're
trying
to
be
perspective
in
our
budgeting
perspective.
D
Thank
you
good
to
see
you
too,
I
hadn't
seen
in
a
while.
So
I
think
that
answered
my
question.
It's
only
when
they
sell
property
and
then
the
profits,
if
you
will
the
net
profits
for
that,
that
will
come
into
the
trust
fund,
they
can
reallocate
it
to
capital
maintenance
for
any
of
their
properties.
Correct.
Do
you
see
where
this
could?
D
You
know
potentially
set
up
a
situation
where
we
begin
to
reduce
the
amount
of
money
within
the
overall
budget
toward
capital
maintenance
of
these
pro
for
the
department,
because
we're
going
to
rely
on
the
monies
from
the
trust
fund?
That's
what's
kind
of
troubling
me.
I
don't
want
us
to
be
thinking
about.
Well,
we
don't
have
to
appropriate
as
much
because
we're
just
going
to
take
the
money
from
there
and
and
shift
it
and
pay.
D
G
Well,
I
I
will
say
under
the
the
current
budget,
there
is
not
not
a
lot
of
money
relatively
speaking
in
these.
In
these
trust
funds,
I
think
we
see
capital
maintenance
as
a
large
need
that
we
usually
spend
general
fund
dollars
toward,
and
in
this
instance,
we
think
it
makes
good
budgetary
sense
to
repurpose
the
the
available
trust
fund
dollars
for
the
capital
maintenance
needs
of
the
respective
department
department.
A
A
H
H
You
I'm
sorry.
This
is
house
bill,
84,
it's
a
department
bill
from
the
department
of
revenue
and
for
those
of
you
who
were
not
in
subcommittee
last
week.
You
may
not
know
that
this
is
an
historic
piece
of
legislation
that
I
am
introducing
historic
only
in
the
nature
that
this
is
my
first
piece
of
legislation
to
introduce
just
a
brief
description.
This
legislation
stops
the
statute
of
limitations
for
collection
of
tax
liabilities
during
a
bankruptcy,
probate
receivership
or
an
assignment
for
the
benefit
of
the
creditors.
C
C
A
A
H
Madam
chair
house,
bill
76,
authorizes
state
agencies
and
departments
to
entertain
agreements
with
third
party
vendors
to
collect
state
funds
on
the
department
or
agency's
behalf
and
for
the
third
party
vendors
to
deduct
their
service
fee
from
the
funds
collected
prior
to
depositing
the
collected
funds
to
the
state
treasury.
With
that.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
the
second
on
the
amendment,
any
questions
on
the
amendment.
Seeing
none
voting
on
amendment
zero,
zero,
three,
eight,
eight
zero!
All
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed
guys
have
it
zero,
zero.
Three
eight
eight
zero
is
here
by
attached
to
the
bill,
and
now
I'm
sorry,
chairman
hicks.
If
you
could
explain
your
bill
as
amended.
H
So
chair,
lady,
as
as
I
said
just
a
few
minutes
ago,
giving
the
summary
what
the
amendment
actually
does
is
just
provide
oversight
for
what
I
briefly
described
again.
Just
authorizing
the
state
departments
to
enter
to
these
third
party
enter
in
with
these
third-party
vendors
to
basically
just
collect
state
funds,
and
it
allows
them
to
deduct
their
service
fee
from
those
collected
funds
prior
to
depositing
those
collected
funds
to
the
state.
A
A
The
bills
that
we
have
calendared
for
today,
we
will
now
continue
our
hearings.
They
were
scheduled
and
we'll
be
out
of
session,
and
first
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
tennessee
housing
and
development
agency.
They
have
a
budget
expansion
request
that
has
there's
a
time
issue
associated
with
it.
So
if
you
would.
E
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you.
When
we
last
appeared
before
you,
we
mentioned
that
the
budget
that
we
adopted,
that
our
board
adopted
that
preceded
the
arrival
of
many
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
from
the
federal
government
for
the
rent
relief
assistance
program
that
we
are
launching
this
week.
We
of
course
need
to
account
for
that
extra
windfall
for
our
agency,
so
that
is
the
purpose
of
the
expansion
request
properly
accounting
for
the
some
383
million
dollars
that
have
been
allocated
to
our
agency
for
that
program.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
perry,
glad
to
see
you
again
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I'm
glad
to
hear
for
those
who
haven't
heard
that
that
your
department
is
managing
these
funds.
I
think
it's
really
important
for
the
public
to
know
that
these
funds
that
are
being
distributed
by
your
department
are
going
directly
to
not
the
people's
rent
but
to
the
landlords
who
are
accepting
those
rents
who
have
had
really
suffered
during
cobit
and
so
really
appreciate
your
hard
work.
E
There
look
forward
to
hearing
how
this
process
rolls
out,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
mention
as
to
where
the
money's
actually
going.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
can
give
you
a
quick
update.
We
opened
the
application
portal
yesterday
morning
by
close
of
business,
we
had
5
700
applicants,
there's
going
to
be
a
great
deal
of
demand
for
this.
E
Essentially,
it
is,
but
you
know,
383
million
dollars
will
last
us
a
while.
We,
you
know
how
many
people
we
can
serve.
There
are
a
lot
of
variables
how
many
applicants,
how
long,
how
much
in
arrears
they
are,
but
we
believe
roughly
between
25,
000
and
30
000
households
can
immediately
benefit
it's
entirely
likely
that
additional
resources
will
be
provided
from
the
federal
government
as
well.
A
All
right
again,
I
know
there
are
many
tennesseans
who
are,
you
know
have
been
living
in
fear
that
they
were
going
to
be
evicted,
and
you
know
once
this,
this
advance
was
over,
and
so
this
will
provide
a
great
deal
of
emotional
relief
to
those
families
and
financial
relief,
as
chairman
williams
has
mentioned,
to
the
landlords
who
haven't
been
able
to
collect
rents
and
thus
pay
their
bills,
their
taxes
and
and
so
forth.
So
again,
what
I
think
is
a
good
use
of
of
monies
for
tennesseans
representative
shaw.
C
C
E
A
couple
things
there
is
a
toll-free
number
call
center
where
people
can
ask
questions
and
also
get
some
assistance
in
making
application
if
they
need
it,
we're
also
broadly
working
with
other
social
service
agencies,
non-profits
and
local
governments.
That
can
provide
a
place
where
applicants
can
go
use
a
computer
maybe
even
get
some
help,
making
the
application
uploading
the
required
documentation.
A
Thank
you
again,
I'm
seeing
no
other
questions.
Mr
perry,
thank
you
for
joining
us
today
and
we
look
forward
to
the
relief
going
where
it
needs
to
for
tennessee
taxpayers
and
both
those
property
owners
and,
as
I
mentioned,
those
folks
have
been
very
nervous
about,
maybe
not
having
a
roof
over
their
heads
very
shortly.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Commissioner
parker
thank
you
for
being
here
and
give
us
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
delve
down
a
little
bit
into
your
the
governor's
proposed
budget
on
behalf
of
your
department
for
this
year,
and
with
that
I
would
just
ask
that
with
10
minutes
for
a
presentation,
it
won't
hurt
our
feelings
if
you're
able
to
do
it
in
less
and
then
we
will
ask
you
obviously
to
answer
questions
from
the
committee.
So
please
proceed
so
good.
K
K
K
I
want
to
talk
just
real
briefly
about
the
past
year
in
relation
to
covet.
You
know.
Throughout
the
coveted
pandemic,
tdoc
has
maintained
a
posture
of
flexibility
and
adapting
as
needed.
Approximately
one
year
ago,
we
begin
the
process
of
going
to
alternative
workplace
solutions,
moving
most
of
our
staff
to
a
virtual
environment
working
from
home.
In
most
cases,
with
the
exception
of
our
facilities,
our
training
academy
was
adapted
to
moving
to
specific
classes
online
and
limiting
face-to-face
contact.
We
transition
most
of
that
training
to
the
field
in
our
facilities,
as
well
as
virtually
online.
K
As
most
of
you
know,
we
suspended
inmate
visitation,
volunteer
services,
work,
crews
in
the
facilities
at
the
middle
of
march
of
last
year.
We
also
suspended
intakes
from
the
county
jails,
but
we
have
resumed
intakes
in
certain
areas
and
enter
system
moves
or
transfers
with
our
inmates
across
the
state
we've
brought
in
more
than
3
000
individuals
from
the
counties
across
the
state.
The
backup
population
in
our
jails
currently
sits
at
about
3
500
inmates.
K
Moving
on
to
the
budget,
the
department's
fy22
recommended
budget
is
1.2
billion
dollars.
As
you
can
see.
From
this
slide,
the
pie
chart
summarizes
where
these
budget
numbers
are
dedicated.
Programmatically
47
of
the
budget
directly
tied
to
tdoc
prison
operations,
16
to
private
facilities,
15
to
the
local
jail
payments.
That's
our
state
prosecutions
account
11
percent
to
community
supervisions
community
supervision,
which
includes
our
day,
reporting
centers
community
resource
centers,
sex
offender
treatment
programs,
community
supervision
as
a
whole.
K
Six
percent
of
these
dollars
go
to
capital
maintenance,
funding,
four
percent
to
administration
and
one
percent
to
training
and
enforcement.
Our
next
slide
tracks
the
number
of
state
positions
we've
had
since
fy
18..
Overall,
we've
averaged
about
6
364
staff
members
in
the
tennessee
department
of
corrections
over
the
past
five
years.
Most
notably,
we
had
a
netting
a
decrease
of
112
positions
between
fy,
20
and
21.
K
K
K
K
This
represents
26
rep,
recommended
positions
to
staff
two
new
day
reporting,
centers
community
resource
centers,
three
position:
three
positions
for
legislation
related
to
jail,
reimbursement
restructuring
and
our
reduction
plan
to
abolish
11
vacant
positions
at
the
carter
county.
Annex
due
to
time
constraints,
we
have
chosen
to
highlight
five
cost
increases,
madam
cherry
in
our
budget
and
but
obviously
we're
prepared
to
discuss
more
of
time,
allows
or
we'll
address
any
specific
questions
related
to
any
others
that
you
might
have.
J
Good
afternoon,
the
first
cost
increase
is
for
approximately
22.2
million
dollars
for
our
state
prosecution
account,
which
makes
up
about
15
percent
of
our
total
budget.
This
funding
is
used
to
reimburse
the
counties
that
house
the
state
felons
in
the
local
jails
and
other
statutory
authorized.
Felony
expenses
due
to
the
covert
19
pandemic
projecting
the
population
has
been
extremely
difficult.
J
The
average
paid
population
in
local
jails
for
the
six
months
prior
to
coven
19
was
8906
that
was
from
september
through
february.
This
population
is
considered
the
benchmark
to
derive
our
fiscal
year.
22
population,
as
indicated
on
the
slide
it
is
assumed.
The
jail
population
would
slowly
build
back
to
that
precovered
19
average
for
fiscal
year
20
with
a
population
of
89.56
and
now
director
hughes,
will
brief
the
next
item.
F
This
is
to
address
increasing
difficulty
in
attracting
and
retaining
probation
parole
officers
who
are
commissioned
law
enforcement
officers
and
they
supervise
the
largest
population
of
tdoc
offenders
who
live
in
the
community
just
prior
to
the
pandemic.
Frontline
ppo
vacancies
peaked
at
just
over
a
hundred,
that's
out
of
660
total
positions
and
turnover
peaked
as
well
in
fiscal
year,
1819
at
35
percent
before
falling
back
to
18
in
the
last
fiscal
year,
but
that
is
still
above
our
historical
average.
F
These
numbers
have
improved
somewhat
since
the
pandemic
began,
but
they
are
still
concerning,
and
we
attribute
much
of
the
fact
much
of
this
to
the
fact
they're
paid
far
less
than
their
peers.
As
you
can
see
on
the
charts,
our
ppos
are
currently
among
the
lowest
paid
in
the
southern
united
states,
with
a
starting
salary
of
approximately
twenty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars,
they're.
Also,
the
lowest
paid
commission
law
enforcement
officers
in
tennessee
state
government
and
the
lowest
paid
among
any
large
law
enforcement
agency
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
K
This
allows
us
this
contract
allows
us
to
provide
evidence-based
programming
based
on
the
needs
of
the
offender,
as
determined
by
the
risk
needs
assessment.
That's
conducted
by
the
department
of
corrections
across
the
state.
The
next
highlighted
cost
increase
is
for
the
implementation
of
electronic
health
records.
K
The
next
cost
increase
is
for
2.4
million
dollars
to
expand
our
day,
reporting
centers
by
two
in
the
department
of
corrections,
which
adds
26
positions.
As
most
of
you
know,
currently
we
have
six
day
reporting
centers
in
the
state.
Those
drcs
are
are
doing
very
well.
In
my
opinion,
we
see
a
good
return
on
investment
for
those
I
know
we
have
them
in
six
locations,
as
I've
said
across
the
state,
and
they
are
a
true
alternative
to
incarceration
for
the
courts
to
use,
as
well
as
our
probation
officers.
K
J
The
next
slide
is
the
fiscal
year
22
reduction
plan.
It
will
generate
a
savings
of
11.3
million
dollars.
The
first
reduction
will
close
the
carter
county
annex
at
the
northeast
correctional
complex,
with
a
savings
of
2.1
million
state
dollars.
Closing
the
annex
will
impact
the
capacity
of
the
prison
system
by
reducing
180
minimum
custody
beds.
J
We
can
close
an
older
unit
built
in
1983
and
moved
the
inmates
to
vacant
beds
at
the
annex
at
northeast
correctional
complex,
which
is
about
approximately
20
miles
down
the
road
and
the
staff
will
move
into
the
vacant
positions
at
the
northeast
complex.
Also,
so
there'll
be
no
loss
of
jobs.
The
second
reduction
involves
administration
legislation
to
restructure
the
community
corrections,
grant
programs
created
and
remain
largely
unchanged
since
their
creation
in
1985.
J
K
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
your
team.
I
I
know
that
I
speak
for
this
group
and
saying
that
we
too
would
like
to
congratulate
your
staff.
I
know
it's.
It's
been
a
difficult
year
for
everyone,
but
keeping
your
prisoners
safe
and
keeping
those
who
are
charged
with
overseeing
them
safe
has
been
a
huge
challenge
and
I
feel
that
the
department
has
risen
to
it.
So
we
we
thank
you
for
the
work
done
in
that
regard.
We
do
have
a
long
list
of
questions,
so
we'll
get
started
with
those
first
on
my
list,
chairman
williams,.
E
E
K
You
know
and
I'll
let
lisa
talk
more
about
this
too,
but
I
think
it's
you
know.
That's
it's
questionable,
because
so
much
of
our
not
only
that
piece
of
our
budget
but
other
pieces
of
our
budget
is
really
not
controlled
at
the
department's
level.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
would
would
be
controlled
at
the
local
level.
Looking
at
you
know,
the
cases
that's
presented,
who
ends
up
in
the
in
the
local
jails,
we're
working
hard
to
get
those
folks
in
as
soon
as
as
possible.
K
But
in
many
cases
we
find
that
you
know
in.
In
some
cases
our
hands
are
tied
regarding
the
say,
for
instance,
alternatives
to
incarceration
or
the
use
of
graduated
sanctions
that
may
or
may
not
be
utilized
in
a
particular
district
or
an
area
that
affects
those
people
who
end
up
in
a
jail
cell
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
money
in
the
state.
Prosecution's
account
goes
to
that.
K
E
Okay,
I
noticed,
however,
though,
that
in
the
governor's
budget
he's
included
another
22
million
dollars
in
reimbursements
to
local
jails.
I
wondered
if,
if
the
the
decrease
in
spending
is
going
to
continue
these
reimbursements
going
forward,
or
would
it
be
better
to
have
that
money
house
there?
I
guess
just
wondered
your
thoughts.
K
E
J
Right
that
originated
from
some
legislation
that
had
been
passed
and
anytime
there
is
any
kind
of
reduction
in
incarceration.
Then
it
will
come
out
of
the
state.
Prosecution's
account
so
they're
looking
at
that
as
there
should
not
be
as
many
people
going
into
the
jails.
So
that's
where
the
savings
comes
from.
Is
the
state
prosecution's
account?
So
when
that
legislation
passed
because
it
was
a
savings,
the
money
came
out
of
the
state
prosecution's
account.
So
that's
why?
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
My
questions
specifically
go
to
my
district
house
district
3
and
the
carter
county
annex.
I
understand
that
the
overwhelming
majority
of
employees
at
that
location
are
going
to
be
offered
the
opportunity
to
continue
their
employment
with
the
department
of
corrections
by
going
to
northeast
correctional
complex
in
johnson
county.
L
K
The
180
beds
there
at
carter
county
just
give
you
some
history
of
that
site.
We
have
struggled
for
years
to
fill
those
beds
because
those
beds
require
a
specific
custody
level
of
an
inmate
that,
in
most
cases
we
find
across
the
state.
Minimum
custody
beds
are
very
hard
to
fill.
There's
180
of
them.
There
that's
off-site
separate
from
the
main
facility
in
which
it's
under,
which
is
northeast.
K
Our
plan
is
to
take
those
beds
offline
and
by
doing
so,
reducing
our
footprint
there
by
closing
that
physical
plant,
it's
my
intention
and
and
brian
can
weigh
in
on
this.
If
he
has
a
different,
but
every
employee,
every
state
employee
that
works
there
at
that
facility,
we
have
a
job
for
at
the
northeast
correctional
complex.
K
K
I
have
not
had
specific
conversations
with
the
commissioner
of
general
services,
nor
others
at
this
time,
but
you
know
this:
it's
it's
about
one
acre
there
under
the
perimeter.
It's,
I
think
it's
about
a
25
acre
site.
I
have
not
had
any
conversations
with
locals
about
potential
uses
for
that
for
that
site.
L
Thank
you
and
madam
chair
one
follow-up
on
this,
and
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
possibilities,
whether
it
be
mental
health
substance
abuse,
some
other
area
that
could
benefit
the
people
of
carter,
county
and
northeast
tennessee.
So
I
want
to
keep
that
in
mind.
The
only
other
comment
I
have
with
northeast
correctional,
complex
being
in
my
district,
is
that
we
have
two
ambulances
on
shift
in
our
entire
county
at
night,
seven
nights
a
week
county
of
about
seventeen
thousand
people,
that's
not
uncommon.
L
What
bothers
me
is
when
we
have
an
incident
like
happened
not
long
ago,
both
ambulances
were
were
going
to
northeast
correctional
complex,
which
meant,
if
any
of
the
other
people
in
the
county
needed
an
ambulance.
There
was
not
a
crew
on
shift
in
an
ambulance,
not
your
problem,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
we
could
keep
weapons
out
of
prisons,
I
don't
know
why
that
is
so
complicated,
but
I've
heard
stories
and
I've
asked
for
details
and
received
those.
L
It
just
concerns
me
greatly
that
it's
2021
and
we
still
are
seeing
weapons
in
prisons.
This
has
been
going
on
for
many
years.
I
just
hope
we
can
work
to
alleviate
that.
I
know
sometimes
I've
heard
they
use
make
they
turn
to
a
toothbrush
into
a
weapon
and
different
things.
People
are
very
innovative,
but
I
just
would
encourage
you
to
try
to
stay
on
top
of
that,
because
it
makes
the
emergency
services
unavailable
to
the
citizens
when
they're
tied
up
at
the
prison.
Thank
you
thank
you.
A
A
F
H
H
One
of
the
hot
button
issues
right
now
in
in
my
neck
of
the
woods,
and
I
think,
slowly
becoming
across
the
stage,
is
that
of
community
corrections.
I
think
I
have
heard
from
everybody
in
my
county
regarding
community
corrections.
So
what
what
is
the
plan?
I
guess
for
so
I
think
there's
a
nine
million
dollar
reduction
that
I'm
looking
at
through
community
correction.
K
Thank
you
for
the
question,
the
community
corrections
agencies
and
that
that
program
was
established
in
in
the
80s
80.
I
think
85
approximately
and
it
was
originally
designed
as
an
alternative
back
then
an
alternative
to
incarceration
for
high
risk
supervision,
high
risk
offenders
and
over
the
years
that
program
has
basically
been
unchanged.
K
The
department
of
corrections
has
evolved
over
those
years
we
took
on.
Obviously
probation
in
parole
came
to
the
department
of
corrections.
Those
officers
came
to
the
department
of
corrections,
and
there
is
a
9
million
reversion
tied
to
that,
but
general.
We
see
that
as
an
opportunity
to
enhance
that
program
to
go
back
and
revamp
community
corrections,
and
when
I'm
I
realize,
there's
there's
res
there's
pushback
at
the
from
the
local
level.
I've
heard
from
some
judges
I've
heard
from
some
da's.
K
But
let
me
just
say
this:
I
I
would.
I
would
remind
you
of
we
passed
the
public
safety
act,
2016.
some
good
legislation
that
was
carried
in
this
in
the
house
and
in
the
senate.
It
passed
since
that
legislation
has
passed.
We've
sent
us
a
steady
decline
in
our
recidivism
rate
for
doc,
primarily
because
when
you
look
at
doc's
recidivism
as
compared
to
the
jails
and
local
as
compared
to
the
statewide
average,
our
recidivism
numbers
are
down
currently
we're
about
10
percentage
points
lower
than
what
you
would
see
at
the
county
level.
K
Now
we
still
have
pushback
and
we
still
have
districts
that
do
not
allow
us
as
a
department
to
use
graduated
sanctions
in
the
community.
In
some
districts
we
have
courts.
We
have
that
that
says:
you're
not
allowed
to
use
graduated
sanctions
in
this
area.
Those
are
that's
in
the
public
safety
act
of
2016..
K
K
Those
that
are
low
risk
to
recidivate
does
not
require
as
much
supervision
as
that
person
who
has
more
risk
to
recidivate,
whether
it
be
a
drug
and
alcohol
issue
or
a
behavior
management
issue.
That's
repetitive:
in
many
cases
it's
my
opinion
that
you
have
areas
in
the
state
that
do
not
want
to
change
the
way
that
we've
done
business
for
since
1985..
K
I
would
argue
that
the
chance
to
go
back
and
revamp
community
corrections
is
a
great
opportunity
that
brings
forth
nine
million
dollars,
also
that
we
can
give
back
to
the
taxpayers
and
it
allows
us
to
use
evidence-based
programs,
ensure
that
evidence-based
programs
are
used
statewide
and
we
thought
that
we're
following
what
we
know
are
best
practices
in
the
industry
to
do
that.
Currently,
we
have
work
to
do
there
and
I
think,
there's
money
set
aside
to
allow
us
to
begin
that
process
of
rebuilding
that
concept.
H
K
We
have
high
risk
supervision
within
probation
and
pro,
and
if
we
can
take
on
that
with
our
current
staff
and
take
on
that
supervision,
along
with
taking
the
monies
that
set
aside
to
look
at
four
or
five
possible
pilots
that
we
could
put
out
and
look
for
things
like
residential
treatment,
that
would
go
along
with
a
particular
program
or
drug
and
alcohol
intensive
drug
and
alcohol
treatment
that
would
go
along
with
a
program
such
as
that.
I
think
we
would
be
well
served.
H
And
I'll
finish
up,
madam
chair
just
so
maybe
some
information
that
you
can
maybe
provide,
if
you
can't
do
that
today,
as
we
because
I
know
legislation
is
coming
to
do
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here,
which
is
again,
is
to
do
something
with
community
corrections.
The
way
we're
currently
doing
it.
H
So
the
opis
as
far
as
what
what
are
the
opi's
for
all
the
way
down
for
for
current,
currently
held
state
prisoners
as
well
as
or
currently
incarcerated
inmates,
and
also
what's
the
lpis
for
state
probation
and
also
what
the
state
inmate
housing
county
jails
the
opis
for
that
I
think
that'd
be
good
information
to
have,
as
we
begin
to
work
through.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence.
A
And
to
follow
up
on
that,
when
you
mention
that
tdoc's
numbers
are
better
than
than
the
local
jails
numbers
in
terms
of
recidivism,
I'm
assuming
those
are
some
sort
of
average.
Are
we
looking
at?
Are
we
throwing
babies
out
with
bath
water?
If
we
have
high
performing
areas
where
maybe
the
recidivism
rate
in
some
local
operations
is
lower
than
the
state
I
mean
when
you're
looking
at
an
average,
you
get
an
average,
but
you
know
there
has
to
be
some
highs
and
lows.
A
So
are
we
giving
any
consideration
to
those
counties
or
city
jails
or
whatever
that
his
numbers
might
be
better
than
yours
and
keeping
those
programs
in
place?
You
mentioned
that
you
were,
there
will
be
pilot
programs,
so
those
would
be
kind
of
trials
if
we
have
counties
or
organizations
that
whose
numbers
are
better
than
yours
already.
That
seems
to
be.
A
K
So,
yes,
it
it's
possible
that
you
could
have
a
specialized
program
in
a
particular
area.
That's
doing
very
well
one
one
references,
some
of
the
grant
money
that
we
we
provided,
some
of
the
counties,
that's
doing
a
program
at
the
local
jail
they're,
seeing
good
results
there.
But
I
would
argue
too,
that
they're
using
evidence-based
programs
based
on
a
good
risk
and
needs
assessment
and
targeting
those
criminogenic
factors
for
the
particular
individual
they're
not
doing
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
to
programming
people.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
I'll
echo,
the
congratulations
to
your
team
commissioner
parker,
as
well
as
to
you
for
a
statewide.
Excuse
me
nationwide
appointment.
So
congratulations
to
you
on
that.
Oh
that's,
a
heavy
lift,
but
it's
a
great
honor
for
you.
I'm
going
to
jump
on
my
soapbox
with
the
indulgence
of
the
the
chair,
lady,
a
very
short
low
soap
box.
It
won't
be
very
high,
veteran
chair.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
We
we're
talking
about
closing
a
facility
in
carter
county.
I
understand
it's
180
bed,
it's
an
annex.
We've
got
tremendous
need
in
long-term
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
care
across
the
state
of
tennessee,
and
if
we
can
reach
our
citizens
in
that
way,
we
may
not
have
to
use
incarceration
as
the
answer
to
so
much
of.
What's
going
on,
and
I
look
at
myself
in
the
mirror.
I
We
have
green
valley
developmental
center
as
an
administration
as
a
legislature,
we
need
to
come
together
and
come
up
with
a
plan
for
some
of
these
facilities
to
better
address
the
long-term
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
needs
that
we've
got.
I
know
you've
got
some
great
programs
within
tdoc
and
you
do
a
good
job,
but
I
want
to
try
to
help
folks
to
stop
before
they
get
there
and
I'll,
throw
that
that's
my
my
soapbox
for
northeast
tennessee,
madam
chair.
I
I
do
yes
ma'am
hepatitis
c.
We
made
a
sizable
investment,
a
non-recurring
or
one-time
appropriation
in
the
19-20
budget
of
24.7
million
dollars.
We
followed
it
up
with
another
10
million
dollars
of
non-recurring
requests
in
the
in
the
current
budget
document,
in
which
we
are,
I
see,
there's
a
carryover
fund.
Can
you
tell
me
where
we
are
with
our
hep
c
treatment
programs?
I
K
So
we
have
approximately
18
million
dollars
in
balance
there
all
total
for
that
funding
and
dr
williams,
the
state
doc
health
director,
has
assured
me
that
by
the
end
of
21,
we
should
have
all
of
the
people
in
tdoc
or
in
our
state
prisons
treated
for
hepatitis
c.
Now,
there's
an
ongoing
process
of
as
we
bring
new
people
in
evaluating
them,
treating
those
people
that
enter
our
front
door
that
that
may
come
in
with
hepatitis
c,
but
also
addressing
those
that
contract
hepatitis
c
within
the
facilities.
K
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
again,
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
to
be
here
and
letting
us
and
pepper
you
with
questions.
I've
only
got
a
couple,
so
this
is
regarding
local
grants
to
reduce
or
citizen
rates
and
across
the
state
and
in
fy,
18
and
19
is
one
million
dollars
is
non-recurring
for
this
purpose
and
it
looks
like
there's
about
375
000
left
of
this
funding.
So
my
question
is:
is
that
how
many
counties
currently
are
receiving
these
grants
through
these
programs?
K
These
programs,
I
think
it's
250
000
each
each
year-
is
that
each
year
that
we're
providing
there
and
the
doc
is
monitoring
those
we
do
provide.
We
do
provide
a
report
to
the
speaker
and
also
of
both
the
house
and
the
senate.
We
have
seen
good
progress
there
all,
but
one
has
really
into
their
program
and
and
pushing
their
program
forward.
K
It's
a
program
in
dire
county
that
spent
some
dollars
on
some
infrastructure
that
is
going
to
deal
basically
with
what
representative
hawk
said,
dealing
with
mental
health
services
and
rehabilitative
services
for
drug
and
alcohol
treatment,
but
the
return
rates
for
those
programs
are
in
about
the
20
percentile,
which
is
good
for
the
first
year
return
rate
for
people
coming
back
reoffending,
so
we're
seeing
good
progress
there
again.
It
speaks
to
evidence-based
programs
being
used
and
getting
a
return
on
investment.
So
we
feel
confident
that
that's
moving
forward
and
there's
no
failure.
C
K
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
We
have
we
continuously
look,
you
know
we.
We
talk
about
recidivism
numbers.
All
the
time.
Recidivism
is
calculated
on
a
three-year
basis,
and
also,
I
would
say
people
heard
me
say
this
for
recidivism
is
a
slippery
slope
because
it
depends
on
when
you
go
to
comparing
recidivism
numbers
for
one
state
versus
another
state.
K
It
really
depends
on
how
you
define
recidivism
for
your
state
and
how
it's
defined
and
how
it's
calculated,
but
again
tr
being
able
to
track
those
participants
in
these
programs,
whether
it
be
drug
and
alcohol
programs
or
whether
it
be
educational,
professional
development
programs
such
as
tcat,
and
all
that
is
key.
We're
doing
that
now
with
our
own
division.
We
have
a
division
that
tracks
the
data,
but
keep
in
mind
as
we
move
forward
with
these
programs
tracking.
That
data
out
long
term
is
really
the
key.
K
The
first,
the
first
metric
is
the
return
rate
looking
at
who
who
returns
to
custody
in
one
year.
We
know
that's
a
high
number
in
the
past.
It's
been
a
high
number
as
we
continue
to
move
forward.
We've
got
some
some
possibilities
to
work
with
some
some
vendors
to
provide
some
software
that
will
allow
us
also
to
track
those
numbers
long
term,
but
really
that's.
The
ultimate
test
is
how
many
people
is
returning
once
you
release
them
from
the
facility.
C
I'm
sure
one
one
final
question:
all
right:
your
current
budget
proposes
16.5
million
for
new
programs
that
grants
the
local
jails
that
implement
these
evidence-based
programs
to
support
re-entry,
and
I'm
curious
if
this
is
a
scaled-up
version
of
what
was
happening
in
fy
18-19
or
is
this
something?
Is
this
going
to
be
something
different.
K
This
is
something
different:
it's
it's
a
an
opportunity
for
sheriffs
to
engage
in,
providing,
first
of
all,
using
the
risk
and
needs
assessment
tool
that
we
use
in
the
department
of
corrections
to
administer
a
validated
risk
and
needs
assessment
that
tells
them
the
risk
to
recidivate
for
that
individual.
So,
in
other
words,
you
don't
have
just
a
matrix
of
programs
and
you
assign
people
to
a
program
based
on
where
the
vacancies
are
at.
K
You
look
at
the
individual
and
see
what
are
the
specific
needs
of
the
offender
that
what
programs
they
need
to
reduce
the
risk
to
recidivate,
and
it
also,
as
you
said,
it
requires
them
to
provide
evidence-based
programming
to
meet
those
needs
of
that
individual.
They
have
to
be
pria
compliant
and
be
certified
through
tennessee
corrections
institute
depending
on
what
tier
of
certification
they
receive,
they
could
receive
either
a
three
or
six
dollar
increase
in
their
per
diem
per
day.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
great
step
forward.
K
M
First,
I
want
to
know
tori
grimes
is
an
excellent
job
for
department
and
he's
a
professional,
and
I
appreciate
him.
Thank
you.
My
question
is
about
the
staffing
specifically
at
mcx,
but
also,
I
think
it's
a
general
problem.
Statewide
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
questions
during
your
session
today
and
you've
addressed
a
lot
of
issues
which
are
clearly
important.
M
K
You
know
three
years
ago
we
raised
the
correctional
officer
pay
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
one
of
the
a
significant
raise,
a
significant
increase
in
their
pay,
one
that
you
look
at
the
percentage-wise
I'd,
never
seen
before
in
my
38
years.
In
corrections
that
large
it
raised
the
starting
salary
to
32.5
for
the
entry-level
correctional
officer
and
after
one
year
it
increased
it
to
34.
I
believe
1
000.
K
that
helped
initially
it
did
we
we
saw
some
and
mr
hughes
can
speak
to
the
details
better
than
I
can,
but
we
saw
a
reduction.
We
saw
more
people
coming
in
the
door
to
be
hired.
We
saw
people
staying
longer
since
that
time,
we've
seen
our
turnover
rate
decline,
but
getting
people
to
interview
has
just
not
been
there
that
we
haven't
had
the
people
to
interview.
I
think
it's
there's.
No
one
particular
issue
german.
K
K
I'm
working
right
now,
internally
with
my
team,
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
try
to
enhance
people
to
come
to
work
and
to
pay
them,
whether
that
be
bonuses
or
or
a
sign-on
bonus
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
that
I
can
fund
locally
or
in
within
the
department
we're
looking
at
everything.
We
have
a
task
force
established
to
look
at
that
very
issue
of
retention
and
also
hiring
people
but
you're
right.
It
is
a
challenge.
M
And
again
I
don't
want
to
be
ugly
but
sure
there's
other
things
we
could
be.
We
could
be
doing
and
I'm
not
here
to
throw
you
muskmelons
today
sure.
So
if
I
go
to
work
today,
scotty
just
asked
a
question
about
danger.
Inside
the
prisons,
one
of
our
friends
got
shanked
five
times
and
you
know
who
he
is
recently.
M
If
I
go
to
work
today
in
a
prison
in
tennessee,
specifically
in
morgan
county,
what
are
the
odds
that
I
get
tapped
to
work
overtime
without
volunteering?
Let's
say
jerry
sexton
goes
to
work
today,
he's
a
correctional
officer.
He's
got
two
kids
gonna
play
softball
or
baseball
or
basketball.
Tonight
they've
got
a
ball
game.
What
are
the
odds
that
jerry
sexton
gets
a
tap
on
the
shoulder
jerry
you're
working
tonight.
K
M
And
I'll
finish
up
with
this
and
this,
I
don't
think
these
conditions
are
your
fault.
I
think
you've
done
the
best
you
can
do,
however,
has
the
lee
administration
considered.
I
mean
we
put
all
this
money
on
the
board.
We've
got
money
to
do
a
lot
of
good
things
and-
and
I'm
I
think,
that's
great,
but
has
the
lee
administration
considered
providing
some
type
of
retention
bonus
for
the
people
who
are
already
walking
on
a
concrete
slab
for
maybe
60
to
70
hours
a
week
I
mean?
M
K
Again,
I
think
governor
lee
was
that
was
one
of
the
first
conversations
I
had
with
the
governor
when
we,
when
he
took
office
about
craigslist
for
pay,
and
he
was
faithful
in
the
the
promises
he
made
to
follow
through
with
that
to
request
it.
Certainly
we've
done
that
and
obviously
it's
a
it's
a
consideration.
It's
a
concern
that
we
have,
but
he
has
been
very
open
to
me
and
the
department
to
look
at
this
issue
and
try
to
find
a
solution
to
this.
M
This
one
final
comment
in
three
decades
of
working
for
correctional
officers,
and
I
don't
call
the
shots,
I'm
not
the
commissioner,
but
I
would
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
retention
bonuses,
because
the
people
who
go
to
work
every
day
would
be.
I
think
the
state
would
be
well
served
if
we
looked
after
those
people
who
have
to
go
inside
these
prisons
every
day
under
difficult
conditions
and
I'm
afraid
it's
going
to
get
worse.
M
If
we
don't
do
something
to
try
to
stop
it
and
that
the
covered
virus
may
go
away,
the
economy
may
change
one
way
or
another,
but
I'm
afraid
that
if
we
don't
offer
some
type
of
bonus
for
the
younger
staff,
members
who've
been
there
two
to
four
to
six
years
that
we're
going
to
lose
those
people
to
the
private
sector
and
it's
not
going
to
be
a
safe
environment.
And
thank
you
for
your
patience.
Madam
chairman,
thanks.
Thank
you.
You
do
a
great
job.
I've
got
no
complaints,
but
this.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
had
the
pleasure
of
visiting
with
you
during
a
tour
and-
and
I
sincerely
appreciate
the
work
you
do.
The
question
was
asked
earlier
about
the
community
corrections
and-
and
I
too
received
many
calls
from
judges
in
my
my
area
asking
about
it
and-
and
I
see
you
called
it
restructuring,
but
as
we've
kind
of
gone
through
it,
it
appears
that
it's
just
going
away
what
would
happen
to
those
participants
within
the
program
and
and
then
the
employees,
so
those.
K
K
N
K
There's
some
there
were
some
things.
I
would
have
to
check
on
to
answer
your
question,
but
I
don't
think
that's
accurate
okay.
In
many
cases,
recidivism
numbers
for
state
for
the
state
of
tennessee
and
department
of
corrections.
We
could
also
be
affected.
We
could
have
recidivism
data
that
shows
up
under
recidivism
for
an
individual
who
may
get
arrested
and
goes
and
hits
a
county
jail
depending
on
the
nature
of
their
charges
and
gets
tagged
as
being
inside
that
jail
would
count
against
our
recidivism
numbers.
Also.
I
so.
N
K
N
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
what's
happening
here,
but
I'll
keep
I've
got
one
more
question,
the
the
the
the
well
I'll
just
close
with
this.
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
to
listen
to
what
the
judges
are
saying
and
they
really
like
this
program
and
whatever
the
next
program
looks
like.
If,
if
this
one
is,
is
done
really
work
with
them,
because
I
think
they
they
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to,
I
guess,
work
with
their
make
decisions
out
of
their
own
courtroom
a
little
bit
so
anyway.
That's
all
I've
got.
C
K
K
The
recommendation
or
the
the
administration's
bill
would
take
all,
but
about
4.5
million
of
those
dollars
and
return
those
dollars
to
the
state.
We
would
take
the
balance
of
that
and
look
at
developing
some
systems
or
programs.
If
you
will
that
target
those
things
that
we
know
drive
recidivism,
such
as
the
issue
of
of
housing
on
re-entry,
we
know
that
we
see
there's
a
great
need
for
residential
treatment
after
release
and
also
for
those
people
in
the
community
that
may
be
on
probation
supervision
that
needs
drug
and
alcohol
programs.
K
We
would
also
look
at
programs
that
we
know
are
currently
working,
such
as
day
reporting,
centers
we're
seeing
great
success
from
our
day
reporting
centers
across
the
state,
whether
it
be
in
east
tennessee
or
in
west
tennessee.
The
return
rate
on
those
are
about
21
we've
had
almost
2000,
I
mean
200
people
graduate
from
those
programs.
So
it's
a
program.
K
J
I
think
that
he
hit
everything
it
is
grant
funded,
so
we
pay
through
that
with
a
budget
they
submit
their
budget
to
us
and
we
do
consider
it
as
a
grant
that
and
we
pay
out
they
invoice
us
monthly
like
that.
So
it
is
based
on
what
their
budget
is,
that
they
submit
to
us
whenever
it
goes
through
the
rfp
process.
C
Okay,
mr
chairman,
so
as
we
adapt
from
a
private
entity
that
community
corrections
is
that's
a
private
and
considered
a
private
entity.
Correct?
Yes,
all
right!
So
as
you
pull
those
services
away
and
you
pull
that
into
government,
and
you
talked
about
developing
a
strategy
and
developing
things
as
you
just
spoke.
H
K
Question
we
are
recommending
using
existing
resources,
the
probation
and
pro
staff
that
we
have
currently
in
place,
along
with
the
possibility
of
these
additional
programs
that
we
would
take
the
the
existing
funds.
That's
left
issue
an
rfp
for
four
to
five
programs
that
would
be
evaluated,
put
out
and
evaluated
separately.
K
K
C
Okay,
all
right-
and
as
these
I
mean
this,
obviously
this
program
is
intended
to
help
people
re-enter
society
and
so
forth,
so
that
process
can
you
help
me
understand
how
the
state's
going
to
do
a
better
job
of
what
community
corrections
does,
because
they
do
a
lot.
Currently
I
mean
they.
They
they
help
in
the
job
application
process.
Helping
these.
C
Persons,
you
know
re-enter
society,
so
they
don't.
The
recidivism
rate
is
obviously
lower
because
of
that
so
help
me
understand,
and
I
I
always
get
nervous
every
time,
we're
talking
about
a
private
entity
going
and
reverting
that
back
to
government
that
that's.
That
scares
me
so
help
me
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
you
think
government's
going
to
do
a
better
job
than
this
than
a
private
entity.
K
K
When
you
look
at
the
research
that
looks
at
supervision
of
people
in
the
community
on
probation
and
parole,
and
you
you
talk
about,
you
heard
me
mention
earlier
the
risk
principle,
the
risk
principle
tells
you
you
put
your
intensive
supervision
on
those
that
have
the
most
risk
to
recidivate.
For
those
that
are
low
risk.
K
They
require
less
supervision
and
there's
studies
and
there's
research.
That
shows
that
when
you
over
supervise
low
risk
offenders,
you
drive
recidivism
rates
up.
I
think
and
again
when
you
look
at
the
type
of
programs,
that's
being
provided
across
the
state,
the
department
of
corrections
in
the
state
sees
this
as
an
opportunity
to
use
this
model
that
we're
using
in
in
the
department
of
corrections
for
probationers
and
parolees
across
the
state,
and
not
have
one
particular
program
in
this
area
of
the
state
and
one
particular
program
in
the
other
state.
K
Now
I'm
not
talking
about
specifically
recovery
courts,
I'm
not
talking
about
that.
I'm
talking
about
the
18
agencies
that
we
have
running
community
corrections
doing
different
things,
and
I
realize
that
the
courts-
that's
not
necessarily
what
the
courts
want.
They
want
to
be
able
to
fashion
their
own
program
and
design
it
the
way
they
want
it
designed.
K
Well,
when
you
look
at
the
the
individuals
under
a
caseload,
I
don't
know
specifically
the
details
of
what
each
one
of
these
community
corrections
agencies
are
doing
or
not
doing.
Okay.
That
would
take
probably
more
time
for
to
explain
than
what
I
have
what
we
have
today,
but
what
we
would
do
uniformly
across
the
state
is
evaluate
each
individual
under
the
supervision,
whether
it
be
in
most
cases,
we're
talking
about
probationers
here
that
person
would
be
evaluated
with
the
risk
needs
assessment.
That's
used
across
the
department
of
corrections,
one
one
validated
risk
and
needs
assessment.
K
That
tells
you
what
the
risk
is
for
this
individual
to
recidivate,
and
it
also
tells
you
what
are
the
elements?
What
are
the
criminogenic
factors?
That's
driving
recidivism,
whether
this
person
has
a
drug,
an
alcohol
issue,
a
mental
health
issue,
anger
management
issue
and
then
that
individual
would
be
placed
in
evidence-based
programming,
as
defined
by
the
department
of
corrections
to
target
those
risk
factors.
They
would
be
supervised
based
on
their
risk
level.
K
If
they
were
a
high
risk
offender,
they
would
be
seen
more
often
much
more
often
than
someone
who
is
low
risk
to
recidivate
that
in
some
cases
we
know
today
that
someone
may
say
I
want
you
to
see
this
person
every
other
week
or
every
every
three
weeks
or
every
month.
In
some
cases
we
would
argue,
as
as
a
department
that
for
a
low
risk
offender,
that
is
not
what
the
evidence
says
works
to
reduce
recidivism
for
that
individual.
C
K
Well,
if
you
have
a,
if
you
have
a
local
jurisdiction
now,
that's
that
we
would
always
follow
the
orders
of
the
court.
Let
me
just
say
that
if
I
go
back
to
my
explanation
about
using
graduated
sanctions
that
are
currently
in
the
law
in
the
public
safety
act
of
2016.,
we
have
districts
today
where
the
court
says
you
will
not
use
graduated
sanctions.
In
my
district,
we
follow
the
orders
of
the
court.
We
have
really
have
no
option
there.
We
follow
the
orders
of
the
court.
B
Todd.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
not
going
to
beat
that
horse
anymore,
because
I
have
some
very
strong
feelings
in
there
and
some
data
and
things
in
front
of
me,
but
it
is
a
very,
very
important
issue
that
I'm
sure
when
that
legislation
is
brought
forth,
we
will
beat
it
some
more
sure.
I
do
want
to
ask
you
about
one
item
that
was
kind
of
skipped
over.
That's
a
pretty
glaring
item
in
the
list
of
cost
increases.
B
J
Yes,
so
the
governor
proposed
constitutional
carry
bill,
allows
avoiding
tennesseans
the
right
to
carry
a
handgun,
either
open
or
concealed,
while
allowing
tennesseans
to
carry
without
a
permit.
This
bill
keeps
the
current
location
restrictions
in
place
and
adds
several
penalty
enhancements
for
theft
of
a
firearm.
J
So,
like
example,
a
classy
felony
at
the
value
of
the
property
obtained
is
a
firearm
worth
less
than
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
that
the
firearm
shall
be
punished
by
confinement
for
not
less
than
180
days.
In
addition
to
any
other
penalty
authorized
by
law,
and
there
should
be
no
release
eligibility
until
the.
B
C
O
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Parker
just
want
to
also
brag
on
tory.
I
went
on
one
of
your
tours.
I
think
it
was
last
year
tory
drove
me
and
represented
chisholm.
I
believe
it
was
out
there.
John
markle
was
there
as
well
and
several
other
lawmakers.
You
know
our
country,
I
don't
know
if
I
think
most
members
know
we
incarcerate
more
more
citizens
than
any
country
on
the
face
of
the
earth
that
I
know
of
they
hadn't
changed
as
a
commissioner.
No
okay,
you
know
we're
so
progressive,
but
then
in
this
area
we're
very
backwards.
O
You
know
I
mean
I
can
keep
you
here
all
day,
long
with
just
questions.
You
know
one
thing,
jeremy
just
stepped
out
and
I
always
appreciate
him
kind
of
speaking
up
for
that
centoria
brown,
which
surprised
me
back
then
when
he
spoke
up
for
I
think
that
incarceration
just
the
time
would
be
about
1.5
million
to
the
taxpayers
of
her
servant.
Am
I
right
1.4
million
centoria
brown?
Did
she
have
like
a
50-year
sentence?
O
I
do
appreciate
chairman
faison
speaking
up
for
when
most
won't,
but
I
was
talking
to
one
of
the
inmates
when
we
done
that
tour
with
you
and
the
warden
was
telling
me
about
one
inmate
before
I
was
talking
to
the
inmate
and
he
had
25
years.
I
think
it
was
cocaine
possession
I
was
like
25
years,
but
when
I'm
my
my
mind's
running,
I'm
thinking
man,
what
is
the
fiscal?
Normally
that's
about
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
that
guy
matthew,
charles,
was
in
my
office
recently.
O
You
know
the
the
first
step
act,
heck
of
a
nice
fella.
We
hung
out
had
lunch
and
it
was
kind
of
touching
when
I
asked
him.
You
know.
As
a
christian
believer
I
said
man,
how
does
a
loving
god
allow
you
to
serve
21
years
in
prison?
He
never
skipped
a
beat.
He
says
I'd
have
been
killed
because
I
was
out
there
running
the
streets
and
he's
a
great
example
of
of
of
a
story
of
redemption
which
cost
taxpayers
nothing.
K
It
provides
intensive
treatment,
but
he
also
he
also
surrounds
them.
With
some
a
lot
of
pro-social
support,
pro-social
activity
and
a
meaningful
job
yeah,
he
gives
a
meaningful
employment
and
teaches
them
basic
responsibilities
and
what
we
find
sometimes
that
many
people
may
be
lacking.
First
of
all,
pro-social
support
a
program
that
will
target
their
risk
and
also
a
meaningful
job.
Those
are
the
keys
to
success
when
people
come
back,
the
sheriff
there
is
doing
that.
I
know
of
three
or
four
sheriffs.
K
As
I
said
on
tci
board,
and
I
hear
sheriffs
from
all
across
the
state
come
in.
They
talk
about
their
programs
and
their
jails
being
overcrowded
and
the
things
that
what
can
we
do
back
to
chairman
hawk's
message
earlier,
the
the
point
he
made
about
using
interventions
early
on,
whether
that
be
drug
and
alcohol
treatment,
or
whether
it
be
mental
treatment
or
mental
health
for
people
to
help
make
a
change
before
they
get
too
far
down
that
road
and
they
end
up
in
our
front
door.
K
K
O
Years
ago,
it's
before
you
took
the
position,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
put
down
your
department,
but
my
former
police
chief
passed
away
last
year.
She
was
a
first
female
chief
in
the
state
tennessee
and
I
had
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
speak
at
her
funeral,
but
she
was
telling
about
her
one
of
her
family
members,
a
grandchild
child
that
was
incarcerated.
O
O
I
don't
know
who
to
blame
it
on,
but
I
mean
I
just
thought
man
look
at
the
bottleneck.
What
does
this
cost
some
taxpayers?
Because
you
don't
have
an
instructor
real,
quick
for
a
good
chairman.
I
had
trey
hargett
in
the
community.
We
toured
a
new
vision,
baptist
church
and
we
had
their
jail
ministry
pastors
were
over
and
trey
asked
a
good
question.
He
says
you've
helped
108
people.
How
come
you
didn't
help
109
and
the
guy
and
bill
cope.
O
If
you
know
superintendent
cope
lieutenant
cope
over
there,
he
said
well,
look
we're
just
private
people,
and
you
know
I
said
we
don't
have
a
lobbyist
man.
That's
your
problem.
You
don't
have
a
lobbyist,
so
I
want
to
encourage
these
lawmakers
up
here
to
be
those
lobbyists.
So
look
at
your
102
billion
budget
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
kind
of
change,
men's
hearts
and
lives
around
get
them
back
to
work.
O
It's
it
kind
of
frustrates
me
when
I
see
this
kind
of
money
that
we're
blowing,
let's
say
blowing,
but
you
know
spending
and
I
have
faith
in
you.
I
know
you're
passionate
about
what
you're
doing
and
I
could
go
and
talk
about
some
other
things,
but
I'm
not
that
you
you've
shared
with
me.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
Chairman
hawk.
J
I
The
the
chair,
lady
left,
so
I
get
the
last
question.
I
guess
I
get
second
bite
at
the
apple
commissioner.
Again
we're
talking
about
the
general
from
cumberland
mountain
was
talking
about
our
workforce.
Are
we
partnering?
We
heard
from
tbr
earlier
this
session,
the
budget
hearing?
Are
we
partnering
with
tbr
and
their
correctional
facility,
training
or
conceptual
con
correctional
facility
training
program?
Are
they
training
our
workforce.
K
Tbr,
we
are
working
with
tbr
to
establish
a
training
curriculum
for
statewide
use
for
for
security,
but
I
would
also
let
me
just
also
piggyback
on
that
chairman.
We
are
also
working
with
tbr
with
our
tcat
programs
across
the
state
putting
those
in-
and
I
should
have
mentioned
that
that's
just
another
initiative
that
we've
seen
from
the
administration
to
really
focus
on
job
readiness
for
re-entry
tbr
is
a
great
partner
with
us
on
that
in
putting
tcats
into
our
facilities.
K
Currently
we
have,
I
believe,
it's
six
or
nine
and
they're
slated
for
to
add
another
three
to
four
inside
of
our
facilities
to
to
provide
certified
welders.
Certified
plumbers
certified
electricians
that
when
they
go
home,
hopefully
we
won't
see
him
back.
But
yes
excuse
me
and
thank
you
for
the
indulgence
to
ask
to
add
that
home,
but
we
are
working
with
them
for
a
training
program
for
corrections.
I
I
K
Sir,
we
would
not.
Those
officers
are
in
the
in
those
communities.
We
have
probation
officers
across
the
state,
but
another
thing
we're
doing,
and
it
was
a
lot
of
it
was
driven
by
covid
and
we've
seen
is
to-
and
I
mentioned,
the
2.3
million
dollar
addition
to
the
budget
to
add
technology
for
evidence-based
programming
in
the
community,
we're
using
where
it's
appropriate
technology
to
provide
a
program
to
someone
electronically
with
a
computer
versus
having
them
drive
40
miles
down
the
road
to
receive
a
program
in
a
probation
office.
K
C
Commissioner
parker
I'd
like
to
thank
you
and
your
team
for
being
here
today
and
for
presenting
parts
of
your
budget
for
us
and
for
the
hard
work
you
do
and
for
answering
all
of
our
questions.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
absent
objection,
we're
going
to
be
back
in
session
and
that
completes
our
calendar
for
the
day.
Is
there
any
other
business
we
need
to
address.