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House Finance, Ways, & Means Committee- May 3, 2021
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Thank
you,
mr
clark.
Are
there
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
seeing
none
other?
I
have
one.
We
thanked
a
number
of
people
in
sub
and
we'll
be
thanking
a
number
of
people
again
at
the
conclusion
of
our
work,
but
I
just
want
to
take
a
minute
to
recognize
the
intern.
Who's
worked
with
finance
this
year,
she's
in
the
audience.
She
has
been
faithful
here
watching
this
and
she
said
she
even
found
it
interesting
and
riveting
so
hey,
but
please
give
a
hand
to
ava
pacquiana
and
say
thank
you
for
hard
work.
B
And
just
to
make
some
of
you
feel
bad
about
your
college
credentials.
Ava
is
completing
her
junior
year
at
vanderbilt
with
a
4.0
she's,
a
peabody
scholar.
She
has
a
double
major
and
she
has
a
bloomberg
scholarship
for
the
summer
internship
in
new
york.
So
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
somebody
so
well
endowed
with
intelligence
serving
on
this
committee.
So
thank
you.
Ava.
B
We
have
13
bills
on
our
regular
calendar
on
our
regular
calendar,
we're
going
to
take
up
the
regular
house
calendar
first
then
we'll
take
up
the
tester
calendar,
the
regular
sub
calendar
plus
the
addendum
and
then
those
bills
that
chairman
hicks
just
brought
from
behind
the
budget.
So
again,
I
hope
you
held
on
to
paper
calendars
from
the
previous
event,
as
we
did
not
have
time
to
reprint
those
and
we
wanted
to
save
some
trees.
E
B
Are
there
questions
for
the
sponsor
question
has
been
called
any
objections,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
h,
bill,
h,
house,
bill,
hb,
357,
moving
to
calendar
and
rules
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill
357
will
be
heard
next
in
calendar
and
rules.
Thank.
B
E
B
Thank
you
for
that
explanation.
Are
there
questions
of
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
without
objection,
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1028
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill
1028
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules?
Thank
you.
Chairman
item
number
three
house
bill
1515
by
representative
cochran,
representative
cochran,
you're
recognized,
and
I
did
hear
a
motion
and
a
second
I
believe
we
do
have
a
draft.
An
amendment
on
this
bill
is
that
correct.
B
B
E
B
You've
heard
the
sponsor's
explanation:
are
there
questions
seeing
none
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
this
bill?
Hopefully
that
will
cut
down
on
the
number
of
bills
dealing
with
this
issue
going
forward.
So
thank
you
very
much.
We're
voting
on
house
bill
1515
all
in
favor.
Please
signal
back
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill
1515
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you.
Cheerleading.
B
E
B
L
B
B
M
Thank
you,
ma'am
chair,
and
I
was
hoping
no
one
saw
that
this
bill,
as
amended,
does
two
things
it
it.
It
utilizes
alternative
methodologies
for
the
calculations
on
how
child
care
facilities
are
are
reimbursed,
and
it
also
allows
for
a
a
a
combining
of
operation,
a
a
a
better
efficiency
of
scale
that
they
can
combine
their
organization,
their
accounting.
B
Thank
you
for
that
explanation
and
thank
you
for
the
bill.
I
know
child
care
is
an
issue
that
we
are
all
recognized
the
importance
of,
and
we
have
work
to
do
in
that
arena.
So
thank
you
for
this
portion
of
that
are
there.
Questions
of
the
sponsor
question
has
been
called
any
objection
to
the
question.
B
B
N
You,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
this
just
creates
a
fund;
it
mandates
nothing.
It
creates
a
fund
that
municipalities
can
use
to
combine
public
and
private
monies
to
study
the
involvement
of
juveniles
and
homicides
and
prostitution.
It
goes
to
this
whole
issue
we
have
in
nashville
and
other
cities
such
as
knoxville
senator
massey
city,
where
you
have
a
combination
of
violence
and
human
trafficking.
We
want
to
study
that
and
get
to
the
bottom
of
it.
A
N
It's
it's
a
good
question.
Here's
the
answer,
because
that
what
makes
this
different
and
why
it
is
not
necessarily
authorized
under
a
particular
a
particular
municipal
code
is
that
it
allows
the
combination
of
public
money
and
private
monies
and
so
leader,
if
you
picture
yourself,
if
you're
going
to
a
private,
individual
and
you're
trying
to
get
them
to
participate
in
this
process,
you
want
to
have
a
clear,
decisive
statement
by
the
legislature.
This
is
lawful.
It's
been
authorized,
you're
not
going
to
have
any
follow-on
problems,
lawsuits,
etc.
A
N
It's
surprising
how
often
bringing
together
scientific
experts
experts
in
this
case
on
criminal
behavior
criminology
may
yield
information
that
we
can
use
in
this
body.
You
know
but
but
the
point
is
first
the
question
is
you
study
it?
Then
you
look
at
what
the
information
shows
and
you
take
steps
accordingly.
It
maybe
we
find
we've
done
most.
You
know
that
we're
at
best
practices-
I
actually
don't
know,
but
I
do
think
it's
an
area
I'll
tell
you
why
I'm
hopeful
about
this.
It's
a
big
problem.
N
It's
a
big
problem
in
urban
areas
in
this
state
in
particular,
but
but
I
do
think
it's
pretty
clear
this
legislature
that
we
have
right
now
is
kind
of
ready
to
stand
up
and
do
whatever
it
takes
to
address
these
problems.
So
it's
really
a
matter
of
you
know
where
we
want
to
aim
it's
not
a
matter.
It's
not
a
matter
of
the
will.
It's
a
matter
of
what
we're
doing,
and
so
I'm
hopeful,
I
think
it's
a
real
break,
we're
having.
A
M
M
I
guess
my
concern
about
this
and
when
I
heard
it
local
earlier
is
the
the
concern
is:
is
that
we're
going
to
create
something
that
was
intended
for
the
private
sector
nonprofits
to
do,
and
so
I
guess
what
would
be
the
benefit?
Are
you?
Are
you
looking
to
try
to
form
some
quasi-governmental
hybrid?
So
in
the
future
we
could
tax
local
businesses
and
send
that
money
to
be
spent.
Maybe
in
metro,
yeah.
N
N
My
city
council
will
give
me
and
we're
going
to
study
this
problem,
but
this
doesn't
authorize
and
certainly
doesn't
anticipate
the
creation
of
a
body
or
any
sort
of
new
entity.
Nor
certainly
does
it.
You
know,
give
rise
to
any
taxing
power,
and
that's
not
my
it's
not
my
interest.
I
really
believe
this
is
about.
We
have
dynamic
political
actors,
it's
giving
them
a
tool
they
can
use
if
they
want
to
to
dig
into
this
and
it's
at
their
discretion.
So
I
mean
the
political,
the
elected
leader,
you
know,
maintains
the
power
over.
B
B
O
O
This
is
a
great
bill.
I
thought
I'd
wake
you
up
this
bill.
We,
you
know
we
have
an
issue
with
recruitment
and
retention
of
effective
teachers
for
our
children
and
this
bill
as
amen
house
bill.
1535
helps
address
the
issue
of
retention
and
recruitment
and
retention
by
requiring
the
state
board
to
approve
a
process
that
gives
school
districts
the
ability
to
create
teacher
training.
O
O
O
The
goal
of
this
endorsement
pathway
created
under
this
bill
is
to
increase
retention
of
high
quality
educators
by
providing
additional
flexibility
at
a
local
level,
thus
benefiting
our
students
benefits
our
teachers,
many
of
which
have
come
through
a
horrendous
year
through
covid
and
and
also
this
would
prevent
teacher
burnout.
It
would
give
a
teacher
an
opportunity
to
try
another
pathway
again,
there's
checks
and
balances
in
the
bill.
There
are
things
that
you
have
there's
bars
for
you
to
achieve.
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
help
our
teachers
and
ultimately
help
our
students.
L
O
This
this
training
presents,
I
mean
again
that
the
checks
and
balances
are.
They
have
to
have
been
teaching
six
years
or
more
they've
already
taken
an
a
praxis
test.
They've
already
been
teaching
they're
already
qualified
and
they'll
be
highly
evaluated
by
their
local
leas,
so
the
checks
and
balances
are
already
in.
B
L
L
B
O
These
are
teachers
who
want
to
seek
another
endorsement,
so
they
would
be
highly
qualified
and
our
it
gives
our
lease,
the
flexibility
and
and
I'll
tell
you
another
thing
that
really
helps
is
our
rural
areas.
They've
already
got
these
teachers
in
place,
and
so
they
can
utilize
these
teachers
as
well.
Does
that
help
maybe.
B
Somehow
I
believe,
representative
shaw
that
this
one,
this
bill
allows
teachers
to
change
their
field,
they're
already
teaching
they're
certified
but
say
they're,
teaching,
physics
and
they're,
tired
of
it
they're
burnt
out
they'd
like
to
change
to
chemistry
or
some
other
related
field,
and
this
this
would
enable
them
to
do
that.
That's
my
understanding
of
the
legislation.
B
Question
has
been
called
any
objections,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1534
by
representative
weaver,
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
guys
have
it
1534
moves
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
Member
next,
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill.
139
item
number
nine
by
chairman
baum,
chairman
baum
you're
recognized.
F
Thank
you
chair,
lady
hazelwood.
This
is
a
bill
to
help.
Thank
you.
This
is
a
bill
to
help
foster
children
as
they
age
into
adulthood,
and
I'm
honored
to
carry
this
on
behalf
of
the
administration.
It
helps
foster
children
in
two
ways.
In
two
parts,
the
first
part
expands
the
eligibility
for
the
hope
foster
child
tuition
grant.
F
Currently,
the
foster
child
has
to
have
spent
one
year
in
dcs
custody
between
the
ages
of
14
and
18..
If
you
move
into
dcs
custody
for
the
first
time
after
age
17,
you
can't
get
that
one
year
in
order
to
be
eligible.
This
bill
allows
those
foster
children
to
become
eligible
if
they
don't
have
that
year,
because
they
entered
custody
after
they
turned
age
17
and
the
second
part
of
the
bill
helps
foster
children
as
they
go
off
to
college.
It
sets
up
a
foster
child
liaison
program.
F
I
suppose
that
they
have
options
to
go
to
college
or
not
go
to
college,
but
this
helps
them
with
the
ability
to
finance
college
by
making
them
more
apt
to
be
eligible
for
this
foster
child
tuition
grant
again
it
allows
individuals
who
are
over
the
age
of
17
when
they
move
into
dcs
custody
to
be
eligible,
and
hopefully
this
financial
support
enhances
their
ability,
ability
to
go
to
college,
and
that
would
include
a
tcat,
I'm
assuming.
Yes,
all
right.
Thank
you.
B
B
D
B
B
D
B
D
D
This
calculation
would
allow
the
department
to
approve
spending
and
spending
for
strategic
items
related
to
a
given
program,
slash
industry
while
protecting
against
market
volatility
and
fluctuations
and
protecting
the
sustainability
of
each
program.
Any
reserve
spending
would
be
for
specific
items
related
to
the
program
from
which
the
monies
came
and
must
be
approved
by
the
commissioners
from
tdci
and
finance
and
administration.
Additionally,
funds
would
not
be
spent
in
a
way
that
would
put
a
program
at
risk
of
violating
its
self-sufficiency
requirement
found
in
tca
4-29-121.
B
B
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
780.,
please
signify
by
voting.
I
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill,
780
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
item
number
12
on
our
calendar
house
bill
1383
by
chairman
todd
chairman
todd,
you're
recognized.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
Please
tell
us
what
the
legislation
does.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
What
this
does
it
allows
law
enforcement
officers
who
have
been
retired
for
nine
months
or
more
the
ability
to
return
to
a
law
enforcement
agency
without
losing
any
of
their
retirement
benefits,
and
there
are
certain
restrictions
on
this,
and
the
only
reason
this
is
really
in
this
committee
is
because
it
is
permissive,
it
will
have
a
cost
if
the
law
enforcement
agencies
choose
to
hire
these
folks,
just
as
they
would
hiring
anyone
else
off.
The
street.
B
B
G
You,
madam
chair
members,
this
legislation
is
a
result
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
that
was
put
together
this
summer
by
speaker,
sexton
and
lieutenant
governor
mcnally
to
study
executive
powers
during
a
state
of
emergency.
Fiscal
summary
is
not
significant.
There's
seven
different
sections
to
this
bill.
There's
multiple
members
of
this
committee
that
were
part
of
that
ad
hoc
committee.
I
can
go
into
more
detail
if
you
wish,
madam
chair,
but
I'll
stand
ready
for
questions.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
You've
heard
the
exclamation
any
questions,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1389,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill
1389
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules
that
takes
us
back
to
item
number
two.
I
believe
that
leader
camper
is
going
to
present
house
bill
1593
leader
camper
you're
recognized.
H
B
K
Think,
madam
chair,
what
I
will
say
members
is
this
is
the
truth
and
sentencing
bill.
This
does
not
take
away
the
judicial
discretion
from
the
judges
or
a
jury,
and
so
whatever
the
range
is
within
the
criminal
statute
based
on
the
type
of
criminal
you
are
or
the
type
of
felony
you
commit
whatever
that
range
is
for
crimes
and
there's
it's
listed
in
the
bill.
It's
a
through
double
e,
whatever
crimes,
historically
against
women
and
children.
K
A
Standard
chairman
and
speaker,
thank
you
for
sponsoring
this
bill
and
I
know
you've
worked
for
a
long
time
to
be
able
to
get
this
out
there
in
a
good
form.
I
mean
it's
part
of
a
criminal
justice
reform
package.
I
mean
obviously,
sometimes
we
reduce
sentences
and
sometimes
we
increase
sentences
and
specifically
members
if
you'll
look
at
the
crimes
that
are
listed
within
this
bill,
and
these
are
some
some
heinous
offenses.
A
I
mean
these
are
the
type
of
things
that,
if
someone's
been
on
probation
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
a
judge
finally
says
it's
time
to
go
away
and
go
to
prison,
then
it
needs
to
be
a
very
definitive
time
period
and
it
needs
to
be
enough
time
that,
hopefully
it
sends
a
message
loud
and
strong
that
we're
not
going
to
put
up
with
these
this
type
of
behavior.
So
speaker,
thank
you
for
being
a
champion
for
these
issues
and
I'm
confident
that
it
will
make
tennessee
safer
tomorrow
than
it
is
today.
B
Any
other
questions
comments
sing.
None
we're
voting
on
house
bill,
1047,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
house
bill,
1047
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Next
item
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill
430
by
leader,
lamberth
leader,
lambert,
you're
recognized.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
A
Statement
chairman
and
as
I've
described
this
bill
in
the
past,
this
merely
fixes
something
that
should
not
have
been
in
the
books.
To
begin
with,
where
someone
who
commits
the
offense
of
facilitation
of
rape
is
eligible
for
parole
at
30
and
just
like
the
last
bill,
this
would
significantly
increase
the
sentence
so
that
someone
commits
that
heinous
crime
will
serve
some
actual
time.
B
B
G
B
B
A
It
eliminates
some
of
the
different
protectionist
aspects
of
certificate
of
need.
It
creates
more
flexibility
to
allow
some
entities
that
have
that
are
operating
under
certificate
of
need
that
relocate
within
a
small
distance,
be
able
to
relocate
without
having
to
go
back
through
the
certificate
and
need
process.
But,
most
importantly,
it
requires
the
hsda
executive.
A
B
B
B
B
Chairman
doggett,
thank
you
for
fighting
off
chairman
curcio
from
the
podium
we
will.
I
promise
chairman
cursill.
We
will
get
back
to
you
immediately
after
chairman
doggett,
but
I
I'm
glad
that
you
all
worked
that
out
peacefully.
Among
you
said,
chairman
doggett
you'll
recognize
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
E
B
B
B
E
B
D
E
P
P
B
P
And
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members.
I've
spoken
to
a
lot
of
you
all
whether
it
be
through
committee
or
around
the
hallway.
What
what
house
bill
1130
did
was
it
created
the
three
chantry
court
positions
in
the
east,
middle
and
western
districts
up
here
in
tennessee
appointed
by
the
governor
and
then
they're
going
to
be
on
popular
vote
when
the
governor
runs
again
in
22.?
P
What
this
amendment
does
is
it
changes
it
from
trial
court
positions
and
creates
a
court
of
special
appeals
just
to
hear
those
same
issues
that
were
in
the
original
bill,
statutory
issues,
constitutional
issues
against
the
state
and
that
court
would
then
have
original
jurisdiction.
So
how
this
would
work
is
the
governor
would
appoint
and
then
they
would
run
on
retention
ballot
every
every
eight
years.
So
with
that
explanation,
I'll
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
and
chairman
farmer.
Thank
you
very
much
for
working
on
this
issue.
I
know
this
has
been
a
difficult
issue
to
try
to
resolve
in
a
positive
way,
and
it
sounds
to
me
like.
This
is
a
almost
kind
of
the
perfect
resolution
to
this,
because
it's
it's
exactly
the
way
we
do
other
appellate
judges.
So
I
mean
it's:
it's
appointments
with
retention
elections.
It
puts
it
right
in
line
with
everything
else
we
do,
and
these
are
some
of
the
most
important
issues
that
are
going
to
come
up
before
a
court.
A
You
really
need
some
specialized
judges
that
handle
these
on
a
daily
basis.
You've
got
to
have
that.
You
know
really.
I
guess
tried
and
true
individuals
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
give
some
consistency
to
these
issues
so
that
we
know
what
to
expect
here
in
the
legislature
and
so
that
the
people
of
tennessee
know
what
to
expect.
So
again,
thank
you
for
working
on
this.
Thank
you
for
this
amendment.
A
It
certainly
will
give,
I
think,
a
much
broader
ability
for
folks
to
be
able
to
to
really
make
sure
that
the
laws
that
are
passed
here
get
a
fair
shaking
court.
It's
not
gonna,
you
know
shade
it
one
way
or
the
other,
but
it
certainly
will
will
create
some
experts
there
to
be
able
to
hear
these
cases
it's
better
than
the
other
version,
as
well
in
multiple
different
ways.
I
want
to
say
this
too:
it's.
A
P
Respond-
and
thank
you
for
that-
we
are
leader
lamborth,
I
had
you
know.
The
original
bill
looked
looked
like
and
walked
and
talked
a
lot
walked
and
talked
a
lot
like
a
court
of
appeals.
So
I
think
this
is
a
much
cleaner
version.
I
think
it
gives
a
fair
representation
to
those
eastern
middle
and
western
districts
of
the
state
instead
of
in
one
portion,
whether
it
be
east,
middle
or
western
district.
I
think
it
gives
a
fair
representation
to
the
values
of
those
folks
who
live
there.
So
thank
you
for
those
comments.
L
P
P
E
Thank
you,
chair,
lady.
I'm,
you
probably
didn't
see
me
because
I
was
on
the
side.
So
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
to
the
sponsor.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
There
was
a
comment
that
this
cr
creates
fairness,
but
we
see
that
the
governor
will
initially
appoint
the
judges.
Am
I
correct
initially.
E
E
E
P
And
one
thing
I
should
have
said
to
begin
with:
once
the
governor
selects
this
appointment,
we,
the
general
assembly,
gets
to
confirm
that
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
bring
the
voices
and
values
from
our
dalton
districts
to
that
particular
appointee,
and
that's
that's
that
pointy
potential
appointee
questions
as
such
to
go
with
your
your
question
with
regards
to
local
chancery
courts.
I
think
this
is.
E
So
my
question
is:
is
that
say,
for
example,
the
legislature
passed
some
election
bills
last
year
and
the
chancellor
voted
decided
that
we
needed
to
open
up
no
excuse
absentee
voting
just
for
the
august
election
because
of
the
pandemic,
with
this
new
chancery
course
supersede
her
decision.
If
she
rules
on
that,
there
was
a
davidson
county,
chancellor
chancellor,
who
ruled
that
we
have
to
do
no
excuse
absentee
voting
in
the
august
election.
She
made
a
decision
and
the
secretary
and
everyone
else
have
to
follow
that
with
this
new
chancery
court
created.
P
And
thank
you
for
that
question
now.
This
isn't
an
appellate
court
we're
not
creating
a
chancery
court.
So
that's
that's
an
old
old
amendment.
Okay,
that
was
a
trial
court.
This
is
separate.
This
is
a
this.
Is
an
appeals
court
next
level
up,
they
would
take
and
look
at
specific
issues.
Just
as
that,
if
there's
an
issue
with
that,
yes,
they
could
pluck
that
out,
pull
it
up.
Take
a
look
at
it
to
see
whether
or
not
it's
constitutional
or
not.
B
B
K
E
E
E
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
respect
the
judicial
system,
as
it
is
the
way
it
was
made,
respect
the
judges
that
we
elect
on
our
local
level
and
it
creates
the
opportunity
for
partisanship,
because
we
are
allowing
our
governor,
who
is
a
partisan
election
to
hand
pick
three
new
judges
that
again
could
particularly
align
with
his
views,
which
can
look
at
many
of
the
cases
in
a
potentially
a
partisan
view.
Many
there
are
so
many
individuals
from
the
legal
community
out
of
my
county
who
are
terrified
and
concerned
about
this
piece
of
legislation.
E
I
think
we
need
to
really
think
strategically
about
pushing
this
particular
legislation,
because
it
can
be
very,
very
dangerous
and
I
think,
to
create
a
new
court
to
determine
the
constitutionality.
These
particular
pieces
of
legislation
is
something
that
we
should
not
be
doing
right
now.
We
need
to
keep
our
judicial
system
in
place,
respect
the
judges
that
we
already
elect
to
office
and
leave
that,
as
is,
this,
is
my
personal
opinion
on
it.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady.
A
Hey
man
chairman
and
to
my
friend
from
shelby
county
davidson
county
does
partisan
elections
for
judges
right
now,
so
it
is
different
than
the
shelby
county
system
that
my
understanding
is
nonpartisan,
and
so
this
will
have
a
statewide
voice
in
those
judges
that
are
hearing
appellate
issues
specifically
for
this,
and
so
that's
a
pretty
big
distinction
and
I
know
again
locally
in
shelby
county.
They
do
nonpartisan
elections,
but
in
davidson
county
and
much
throughout
the
rest
of
the
state.
A
That
is
not
the
case,
but
it
is
critical,
and
I
know
the
sponsors
already
answered
this
question
that
these
folks
be.
You
know,
nonpartisan
in
their
rulings
and
that
they
be
completely
and
totally
without
bias
and
the
more
voices
you
have
at
the
table,
the
better
off
that
is,
and
so,
when
you
have
retention
elections,
and
you
have
confirmations
that
puts
a
lot
more
checks
and
balances
in
the
system,
which
is
a
much
much
better
way
than
it
is
now
where
whoever
has
a
lawsuit.
A
Can
basically
cherry
pick
the
most
liberal
judge
they
can
possibly
find
in
a
partisan
way
and
try
to
get
a
ruling
at
the
trial
level
that
the
one
you
mentioned
was
overturned
and
it
took
months
for
it
to
happen,
but
it
was
overturned.
So
I
mean
this
is
definitely
a
more
fair
way
if
you're
in
favor
of
you
know,
truly
unbiased
judges
that
will
be
able
to
just
make
a
determination
in
their
expertise
within
a
very
small
section
of
the
law.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
lady.
Well,
I
would
say
that
we
need
to
maybe
take
a
bite
out
of
shelby
county's
apple
and
leave.
Our
judicial
system
is
and
if
we
can't
keep
our
judgeships
nonpartisan
like
we
do
in
shelby
county
and
elect
them.
Let's
do
that,
but
I
think
this
particular
bill
and
what
we're
doing
with
this
new
statewide
court
system
is
unnecessary.
B
P
P
It's
from
four
companies,
mckesson
corporation
cardinal
health,
amerisource
bergen
or
johnson,
johnson,
or
their
affiliates
or
subsidiaries.
This
these
monies
would
flow
in
this.
This
way,
15
would
be
directly
to
the
to
the
municipalities
they
can
use
it
for
anything
they
want
to
use
it
for
including
attorneys
fees
to
pay
their
lawyers.
P
15
would
then
go
to
the
state
money
and
then
70
would
go
to
the
into
the
abatement
council
in
which
35
percent
of
that
would
then
go
back
to
the
counties
directed
back
in
giving
that
a
40-60
split,
60
to
state
40
to
the
cities
and
counties
and
then
the
rest
of
that
money.
Will
it
will
eventually
end
up
in
the
locals
hands
out
of
the
abatement
council.
P
B
B
P
M
M
Matter
of
fact,
the
most
of
the
bills
that
I
carried
early
on
when
getting
elected
had
to
do
with
nas
births,
morphine
equivalence
and
the
like,
and
so
when
we
look
at
the
the
broad
spectrum
of
a
multi-billion
dollar
lawsuit
and
how
it
can
impact
the
state.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
understand
and
answer
the
questions
so
that
we
can
go
back
to
our
districts
and
communicate
what
was
going
on,
and
I
know
I've
asked
you
questions
at
nauseum
and
you've
been
fantastic
about
answering
all
of
those.
M
P
And
thank
you-
and
I
know
you
had
asked
this
question
earlier
in
committee
and
we
had
a
discussion
afterwards
and
and
for
the
record,
it's
my
understanding
that,
yes,
that
could
be
the
case
in
a
situation
where
that
company
is
approved,
say
for
suboxone
or
something
they
may.
They
may
manufacture
that
product,
which
is
a
product.
That's
used
to
help
folks
get
off
the
opioid
addiction.
So
answer
your
question
that
that
could
be
the
case
if
they
had
approved
medical
like
licensed
treatment
or
some
sort
of
product.
So.
M
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
always
answering
my
questions
and
I
appreciate
you
trying
to
help
me
cypher
through
all
this.
I
know
that
that
is
a
concern
that
I
have
that
we're
taking
the
money
that
we
went
in
a
lawsuit
and
giving
them
their
money
back.
I
hope
that
when
the
abatement
committee
looks
at
their
this
opioid
task,
force
or
committee
looks
at
the
this
testimony.
M
They'll
recognize
that
majority
of
my
district
at
the
42nd
district
are
not
interested
in
giving
the
money
back
to
the
people
that
we
that
we
sued,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
and
your
hard
work
here.
I
appreciate
the
ag
and
his
hard
work.
I
know
it's
been
a
difficult,
a
long
road
one
that
we'd
like
to
get
behind
us
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
thank
you
maturely.
P
I
want
to
make
one
clarification:
I
tried
to
make
a
joke
and
it
was
a
bad
one.
I
know
none
of
our
locals
would
ever
use
this
money
in
any
other
way
other
than
to
help
folks
overcome
their
addiction.
It's
a
it's
a
huge
problem,
it's
a
serious
problem,
so
I
want
to
apologize
for
the
committee
for
for
that.
That
response
I
made
so.
M
N
E
A
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
want
to
echo
chairman
williams
comments.
I
hope
that
we
could
say
that
it's
the
legislative
intent
that
these
companies
not
be
able
to
get
money
back,
even
if
they
provide
a
product
if
we
can
get
it
anywhere
else
that
it
would
be
our
intent
that
none
of
these
companies
that
we
do
business
with
them,
if
at
all
possible.
I
know
we
can't
necessarily
put
that
in
the
law.
A
No,
we
we
can't
do
that,
but
chairman
farmer,
do
you
mind
just
kind
of
saying
for
the
record
that
we
would
ask
that
these
this
committee
and
that
our
communities
try
everything
they
can
to
do
business
with
other
folks?
I
mean
that
we
would
not
go
down
the
road
where
any
of
these
monies
would
go
back
to
the
very
companies
that
we're
settling
with.
A
L
B
Again,
I
know
well
to
echo
the
leader
lambert's
words.
I
know
you've
worked
very
hard
on
this.
It's
been
a
a
lot
of
negotiation
and
I
I
know
that
the
overall
goal
for
everyone
is
to
make
sure
that
the
dollars
that
we're
going
to
get
from
these
settlements
are
used
to
address
the
issue
and
to
help
the
people
who
have
been
harmed
by
the
the
drugs
that
have
been
that
we're
now
getting
the
settlement
for
so
we
applaud
you
and
your
hard
work
and
a
very
complicated
job.
B
B
B
B
We
have
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
done.
The
eyes
have
it
drafting
code,
eight
8086
is
attached
and
chairman
hassan,
if
you
could
tell
us
what
the
amendment
does-
and
I
think
you've
explained
the
bill
in
general
terms,
but
if
you
could
tell
us
as
amended,
be.
E
G
B
B
You
guys
have
it
house
bill
745
moves
on,
and
thank
you
chairman
hayson,
for
bringing
that
bill.
I
know
from
my
experience
in
my
area
that
work
keys
are
their
key
to
pardon
the
pun
or
redundancy.
They
are
really
key
to
employers
when
they
are
it's
something
that
they
really
look
to
to
determine.
If
any
potential
employee
is
qualified
to
do
the
work.
So
thank
you
so
much.
B
B
E
That's
correct
due
to
some
concerns
from
tenncare
in
the
state
employee
plan.
The
amendment
clarifies
that
pbms
do
not
need
to
change
the
payment
methodology
for
reimbursements
to
pharmacies,
but
outlines
an
appeals
process
for
pharmacies
if
paid
below
actual
cost.
It
also
clarifies
the
acceptable
format
for
data
to
be
provided.
Should
the
requesting
entity
earn
a
standard
that
is
accredited
by
the
american
national
standards
institute
a
common
standard
in
the
industry.
B
B
R
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
michael
power,
I'm
with
the
pharmaceutical
care
management
association,
and
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
to
speak
to
this
very
important
topic
right
now,
though,
we
are
respectfully
opposed
to
house
bill
1398
as
written,
and
we
did
take
a
look
at
the
the
substitute
language
this
morning
real
quickly
and
we're
further
we're
further
reviewing
that
right
now,
but
and
what
we
do.
There
are
some
improvements
to
the
bill:
we're
still
trying
to
get
through
all
the
changes
that
were
there
in
those
amendments.
R
So
again
we,
the
pharmaceutical
care
management
association,
represents
pvms,
so
companies
like
cvs,
health,
express
scripts
care
market
and
others
we
operate
across
the
nation.
We
have
66
pvms
that
operate
here
in
this
country.
They
serve
at
the
benefit
of
their
clients,
which
are
the
employers
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
across
this
country,
and
we
work
with
our
clients
to
design
benefit
plans
that
help
them
provide
health
care
coverage,
including
their
pharmacy
benefit
to
their
employees.
R
That
not
only
is
cost
effective
to
the
business,
but
also
provides
a
service
to
their
employees
that
they
can
afford
and
use
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee
real
quickly
I'll
get
just
sort
of
into
the
bill
as
it's
written
section
one.
We
have
not
provided
any
comments
on
section
one
we've
we
haven't
had
any
issues
with
that
section
of
the
bill
section
2
dealing
with
any
willing
pharmacy
language.
Currently
in
tennessee,
you
do
have
any
willing
pharmacy
language
on
the
books.
This
language
here
does
change.
R
The
choice
there
is
these
drugs
are
readily
available
to
be
shipped
via
mail,
it's
safe
to
be
shipped
via
mail
and
it
is
effective,
and
so
the
business
is
making
that
decision
to
not
only
save
money
for
them
in
their
plan
design,
but
also
to
provide
drugs
to
their
employees
in
an
appropriate
time
in
a
cost,
effective
manner.
When
you
have
exclusive
mail
opportunities,
there
are
discounts
that
do
come
with
those,
and
so
it
does
help
make
the
cost
of
those
drugs
more
affordable
to
the
beneficiaries.
R
Here
in
the
state
of
tennessee
moving
into
sorry
steering
now,
there's
some
issues
with
steering
in
section
two
again
the
the
way,
the
bill
or
sorry.
The
way
things
work
today
as
a
client
does
get
greater
discounts
when
they
do
send
market
share
to
a
pharmacy
here
in
the
state
and
so
the
greater
volume
that
they
can
drive
the
better
discounts
they
get,
the
more
money
they
can
save
and
and
the
more
benefit
they
can
provide
to
their
to
their
employees,
who
get
their
self-insured
benefit
from
the
from
the
employer.
R
Section
three:
the
amendments
there
have
not
had
a
full
chance
to
digest
those
we'll
take
a
greater
look
at
those
section.
Four
we're
not
really
sure
what
the
legislative
intent
is
there.
There
was
an
amendment
earlier
on
in
the
process
that
removed
a
few
words,
and
so
there's
a.
We
have
some
confusion
with
that
section
of
the
bill
section
five.
I
think
there
was
some
some
language
there
that
that
was
those
changes
in
the
amendment
this
morning
and
again
we're
taking
a
deeper
dive.
R
What
is
important
to
know
that
our
the
decision
focused
on
arkansas
act,
900,
which
was
a
mac
reimbursement
law,
the
law
didn't
the
law
did
not
look
at
any
elements
of
plan
design
which
we're
discussing
here
today
in
house
bill
1398,
and
so
what
the
decision
focused
on
was
that
mac
pricing
was
something
that
the
states,
so
pricing
is
like.
A
tax
states
have
the
right
to
review
and
impose
those
things
on
their
on
their
citizens
within
their
state.
R
They
looked
at
a
1995
traveler's
decision
and
base
all
of
their
findings
off
of
that
1995
decision,
and
so
the
decision
did
not
look
at
plant
design
elements
like
any
willing
pharmacy
like
mail
like
spread
pricing.
All
of
those
were
not
included
in
arkansas
act
900,
which
was
the
focus
of
the
rutledge
versus
pcma
court
decision,
and
so
it
is
from
our
perspective
and
others
that
that
court
decision
does
not
give
states
the
authority
to
impact
plans
that
are
that
are
self-insured
and
are
protected
by
erisa.
R
E
R
You,
madam
chair,
so
it
the
cost
can't
be
pretty
substantial.
I
think
there
was
a
letter
put
out
that
there's
3.5
million
lives
covered
here
in
tennessee
by
self-insured
plans
the
tools
that
those
those
plans
use
are
starting
to
sell
from
3.5
million
individuals
covered
by
self-insured
plans.
The
tools
that
we're
talking
about
here
in
the
in
this
in
this
legislation
do
help
drive
down
costs
depending
on
you
know,
which
which
provisions
you
look
at
any
willing
pharmacy
spread
pricing
that
could
have
a
dramatic
income,
increasing
costs.
K
R
R
K
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
if
a
client
would
like
to
use
mail
exclusive
mail,
then
they
would
go
out
and
negotiate
the
best
deal
for
that
client
and
if
it
did
include
exclusive
use
of
a
specialty
pharmacy
for
that
client's
benefit,
then
the
client
would
sign
off
on
that
and,
yes,
they
would
use.
I
guess,
steering.
K
R
Madam
sherry,
thank
you
for
the
question,
sir.
You
know
there's
vertical
integration
in
manufacturing
supply
chains
and
a
lot
of
supply
chains
that
are
that
are
that
I
think
that
would
be
more
appropriate.
I
mean
sure.
Yes
I
mean
it
does.
It
is
vertical
integration,
but
there
are
monopoly
rules
that
are
are
governed
in
the
federal
government,
and
if
we
were
violating
monopoly
rules
we
would
we
would
be
being
looked
at.
R
Chair,
yes,
so
one
of
the
most
simple
ways
to
think
about
spur
pricing
is
is,
if
you're
a
consultant,
do
you
either
get
paid
a
fixed
rate,
hourly
or
monthly
or
sorry
monthly,
or
do
you
get
paid
an
hourly
rate
and
the
way
spread
pricing
works?
Is
a
client
has
the
right
to
choose
whether
they
pick
say
pick
a
fixed
rate
for
their
benefit,
and
what
that
does
is
that
it
helps
eliminate
risk
to
that
client.
R
So
if,
if
there
is
a
need
for
very
expensive
medications,
they've
established
a
flat
rate
that
they're
going
to
be
that
they're
going
to
pay
through
the
pbm
and
be
reimbursed
and
then,
if
there's
lower
drugs,
they're
still
going
to
pay
that
same
rate.
So
there
are
instances
where
there
are
generic
drugs
that
are
dispensed
that
that,
under
this
plan,
the
pbm
would
pay
at
a
higher
rate
than
the
drug
is
actually
costs.
K
K
So
in
your
example,
the
business
has
to
pay
a
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars
more
because
the
generic
was
not
on
the
formulary.
Also,
the
patient
had
to
pay
more
because
the
generic
was
on
the
formulary.
Thus
they
had
to
pay
15
more
out
of
pocket,
because
the
copay
for
brand
is
higher
than
copay
and
guess
how
much
the
pharmacy
got
reimbursed
for
that
drug.
That
was
355,
308
dollars
and
38
cents
is
what
that
pharmacist
got
reimbursed.
K
K
So
how
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
and
then
there's
also
something
that's
not
in
this
bill,
the
ir
fee
and
what
happened
guess
what?
Two
months
later,
they
went
back
and
took
another
six
dollars
and
95
cents
away
from
the
pharmacy.
The
pharmacy
filled
a
prescription
to
help
somebody
and
they
lost
40
below
what
they
actually
cost
them,
and
what
this
bill
does
is
doesn't
allow
for
that
to
happen.
K
R
R
If
I
could,
I
just
would
like
to
just-
I
did
not
say
that
pbms
were
monopolies.
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
clarify
that,
and-
and
I
do
want
to
state
that
when
we
talk
about
rebates,
rebates
are
used
either
they
either
the
client
chooses
for
the
rebate
to
go
back
to
the
consumer
or
their
their
beneficiary,
or
they
use
the
rebate
to
lower
the
monthly
premium
so
premium.
So
rebates
do
go
back.
R
I
do
want
to
remind
everyone
that
drug
manufacturers
do
set
the
cost
or
set
the
price,
and
they
do
that
with
federal
patent
law.
So
really,
when
we
talk
about
brand
drugs,
sometimes
there's
only
one
drug
in
the
market.
When
we
talk
about
diabetes,
medication
there's
three
and
that's
because
they
have
federal
protection
under
trade
secrets
or
they
federal
patent
law
protection.
So
and
we
do
have
a
drug
pricing
problem
and
we
we
hear
you,
mr
speaker,
and
we
are
trying
to
be
part
of
that
solution.
Thank
you.
B
J
J
As
you
know,
or
I
hope
you
know,
I
serve
as
state
senator
from
district
18
sumner
county
troutsville,
county
portion
of
davidson
county,
I'm
a
pharmacist
by
trade,
independent
pharmacy
owner
for
40
years.
I
sold
my
pharmacy
about
10
years
ago
before
coming
down
here.
My
license
has
lapsed,
so
I'm
no
longer
a
current
practicing
pharmacist
I
served
on
a
buying
group.
J
J
Historically,
in
doing
this,
this
is
a
really
complicated
issue.
That's
the
reason
that
we've
not
been
able
to
move
forward
in
some
pbm
reform.
Before
now
it's
really
complicated,
and
so
I
want
to
give
a
little
bit
of
education
concerning
ndc
numbers
and
some
billing
processes
prior
sec
40
milligram
made
by
astrazeneca
the
first
five
numbers
are
the
company.
J
J
J
J
So
as
we
look
at
this,
esther's
enter
with
a
quantity
of
30
had
a
drug
cost
awp
a
hundred
dollars
re
packer,
we're
not
sure
what
that
price
would
be,
the
mail
order
house
had
them
a
quantity
of
30..
So
here's
the
story
at
300.
Here's
the
story-
and
we
figured
this
out
through
this
arkansas
situation
that
came
up.
I
had
a
customer
come
into
my
store,
bring
in
a
bottle
from
a
mail
order.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
It's
used
by
the
patient
six
months
later.
She
comes
back
not
six
months.
Three
months
later,
ninety
days
later
she
comes
back.
We
refill
the
prescription.
Now
I
want
you
to
remember
my
responsibility
as
pharmacist
is
check.
Is
the
right
patient
right,
physician,
right,
dose
right
drug
on
down
the
line?
J
J
After
we
fill
the
second
prescription,
I
get
audited,
they
come
in
the
store
and
audit.
Well,
what
would
you
think
would
be
fair
to
go
back
and
say?
Well,
you
should
have
collected
that
twenty
dollar
copay
six
times
rather
than
two
and
your
suspension
fee
should
have
been
ten
dollars
times
six
rather
than
ten
dollars
times,
two.
J
J
J
J
J
A
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Obviously
everybody
here
has
a
deep
love
of
respect
for
you
and
I
voted
for
you
several
times
and
you're
my
friend
and
my
senator.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
over
the
house
and
testifying,
and
you
know
if
there
are
many
reasons
to
support
this
bill,
but
I
trust
your
evaluation
of
these
issues
explicitly
because
for
decades
you've
lived
this
and
the
only
question
I
really
have
is:
if
we
pass
this
bill,
will
it
at
least
help
eliminate
some
of
these
issues.
J
E
E
J
Not
that
I'm
aware
of
I
came
down
when
I
was
practicing
farms
and
testified
before
either
the
house
or
senate.
I
don't
remember
back
then
concerning
this
issue,
but
it
was
it's
extremely
complicated,
that's
complicated.
It
is
extremely
complicated
and
even
when
I
was
practicing
pharmacy-
and
I
was
on
this
bang
group
committee-
that
covered
22
states
and
we
were
going
in
all
kinds
of
states
trying
to
figure
this
out.
It
was
extremely
difficult
and
confusing,
and
what
you
found
out
today
changed
the
next
day.
K
B
K
J
J
No,
I
think
it's
it
helps
them.
I
think
it
helps
the
patient.
I
think
it
helps
the
company.
I
think
that
they're
gonna
have
to
do
some.
It's
gonna
be
dependent
on
them
to
really
ask
them
hard
questions
and
get
some
real
deep
answers
on
what
to
do.
I
did
speak
when
representative
shepard
was
down
here,
good
friend
of
mine,
and
we
were
talking
about
this
issue
a
number
of
years
ago,
in
particular
about
the
tenncare
formulary
and
about
if
the
pbm
wasn't
there.
J
E
E
Listening
to
the
speaker
before
you
and
then
listening
to
you
is
that,
within
a
few
minutes
of
your
comments,
you
actually
mention
the
patient
and
let
it
all
be
known
that
we
are
here
for
a
patient-driven
healthcare
industry
which
we
don't
have
today,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
mentioning
the
actual
word
patient
and
for
all
purposes.
I
never
heard
of
the
word
pbms
before
I
got
down
here,
and
I
hope
that
I
don't
have
to
so.
E
L
Thank
you,
madam
madam
chair,
david
shepard
was
my
classmate
senator,
but
I
remember,
and
leader
just
reminded
me
of
this,
even
in
our
national
black
caucus,
this
had
been
talked
about
some.
Is
it
true
that,
because
of
what
we're
talking
about
today,
it
has
driven
pharmacists
out
of
low-income
communities.
J
L
Representative
shaw,
thank
you,
madam
speaker.
I
I
I
thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
I
thank
speaker
sexton,
because
I
think
this
is
critical
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
rise
above
bipartisanship
and
and
race
and
all
of
those
other
issues
to
work
on,
because
that's
that's
very
important
to
us
and
to
all
of
our
constituency.
B
E
E
The
tennessee
oncology
practice
society,
tennessee,
primary
care,
association,
tennessee,
medical
association,
tennessee
public
and
teaching
hospitals,
simpa
community
care,
tennessee,
pharmacists
association,
epic,
which
is
the
electronic
privacy
information
center
mckesson
life
sciences
of
tennessee,
national
infusion,
centers
association,
american
diabetes
association,
and
I
would
like
just
to
read
a
letter
from
a
small
pharmacy
in
hamilton
county
that
I
received
this
morning
good
morning.
Miss
hilton
here
is
our
story.
In
a
nutshell,
for
many
years
we
had
a
great
relationship
with
the
largest
employer
in
our
area.
E
The
pbm
servicing
their
account
performed
a
very
aggressive
overreaching
audit
of
our
store
and
created
a
narrative
that
this
employer
should
remove
our
pharmacy
from
the
network,
even
after
three
other
audits
that
were
exemplary.
A
state
board
investigation
that
was
immediately
dropped
in
our
favor.
Multiple
attempts
to
reconcile
the
employer
and
pbm
continue
to
say
we
are
an
erisa
plan
and
therefore
do
not
have
to
abide
by
state
pbm.
G
G
Well,
I
think
just
based
on
the
brief
testimony
and
explanations
we've
heard
related
to
this
bill
related
to
the
pbms
it
ain't
about
the
patient.
It
is
about
profit.
You
look
at
that
board
right
there
and
I'm
so
glad
that
slide
was
left
up.
How
does
the
consumer
win
when
one
entity
controls
every
aspect
of
the
pricing
and
the
distribution?
G
And
then
the
final
point
I
would
say
I
worked
with
senator
hale.
I
don't
think
he's
still
in
here.
I
worked
with
him
with
this
ad
hoc
committee
and
I
think
he
is
about
as
steady
as
anybody
I've
worked
with
and
when
an
issue
gets
under
his
skin
and
creates
it
creates
that
kind
of
emotion
with
him.
I
think
we
all
need
to
address
it.
G
This
is
well
overdue
when
prices
and
the
impact
of
the
consumer
continue
to
rise
when
corporate
profits
continue
to
rise
in
relation
to
that,
and
then
we
continue
to
hear
it's
about
the
patience
something's
wrong
with
that.
So,
madam
chair,
I
would
just
say
the
importance
of
state
government
is
magnified
with
a
bill
like
this.
G
Just
based
on
the
comments
I
heard
from
representative
shaw
and
others,
washington
can't
seem
to
agree
on
anything,
but
when
it's
an
issue
that
impacts
the
people
we
represent
in
such
a
negative
way,
we
in
tennessee
come
together
here
in
the
legislature,
so
I
appreciate
that,
especially
with
my
colleagues
on
the
other
side
of
the
aisle.
This
is
long
overdue
and
I
appreciate
the
bill.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it.
B
B
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
bill
seeks
to
extend
the
payback
period
from
30
to
35
years,
during
which
a
certain
portion
of
state
sales
taxes
are
allocated
and
distributed
to
a
municipality
or
industrial
development
corporation
that
finances
the
development
of
an
extraordinary
retail
or
tourism
facility
project
under
the
act.
B
B
P
B
B
B
B
E
P
I
P
B
B
B
B
A
B
M
H
Thank
you
later
chairman.
This
bill
adds
to
the
definition
of
severe
child
abuse.
The
act
of
knowingly
allowing
a
child
to
be
within
a
structure
where
schedule
ii,
controlled
substance,
cocaine,
methamphetamine
or
fentanyl
is
present
and
accessible
to
the
child.
Just
a
few
months
ago
there
was
a
form,
a
four-year-old
that
got
a
hold
of
his
dad's
heroin
and
they're
rushing
him
to
the
hospital
and
they
had
some
narcan
in
the
car
with
them,
but
they
ended
up
giving
him
two
sets
of
narcan
and
that's
all
that
saved
the
child's
life.
H
B
B
Question
has
been
called
we're
voting
on
house
bill
417
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill,
417
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Next
item
is
house
bill
427
by
chairman
littleton.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
chairman,
littleton
you're
recognized
thank.
H
You,
lady
chair
and
a
committee,
this
bill
revises
the
parties
with
which
a
victim
of
sexual
battery
is
incapable
of
consenting
to
sexual
contact
with
to
a
member
of
the
clergy,
a
health
care
professional
or
an
alcohol
and
drug
abuse.
Counselor
who
was
treating
the
victim
for
mental,
emotional
or
physical
condition,.
B
M
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
chairman
littleton.
I
just
want
to
say
every
year
I
come
up
here.
I'm
am
I
amazed
really
at
the
legislation
you
bring
to
protect
kids
across
the
state
it
it's
unfortunate
that
you
find
so
many
areas
where
there
are
exceptions
to
what
the
law
should
be,
and
I
just
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
here
on
these
last
three
bills.
Thank.
B
You
after
that
accolade,
I
assume
there
are
no
objections
to
calling
the
question
so
we'll
be
voting
on
house
bill
951
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
house
bill
951
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you,
lady,
chair
and
committee.
Next
item
on.
Our
agenda
is
number
32
house
bill
656
by
chairman
moon,
chairman
moon,
you're
recognized
thank.
E
B
B
E
Thank
you,
ma'am,
chair
members.
This
bill
is
brought
to
me
by
the
comptroller.
The
amendment
makes
it
abundantly
clear.
There's
no
fiscal
note
now
remove
section
three
of
the
bill.
It
revises
and
puts
a
parity
of
the
two
programs,
the
county
certified
finance
officers
and
the
municipal
certified
finance
officers.
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
bill.
1039
seeks
to
replenish
our
state
unemployment
trust
fund
by
re
tying
the
benefit
period
to
the
unemployment
rate
at
the
time
it
would,
under
the
current
scenario,
all
of
our
folks
who
qualify
for
unemployment
are
guaranteed
up
to
26
weeks.
This
puts
it
on
a
variable
scale,
depending
upon
the
amount
of
unemployment,
that's
in
the
system
or
the
the
rate
of
unemployment.
At
the
time
they
file
their
claim.
B
I
I
B
Well,
since
we're
just
at
the
beginning
of
the
von
gallander,
we'll
make
this
exception,
we
do
need
to
vote
on
amendment
6977,
going
on
the
bill
without
objection.
We're
voting
on
that
amendment
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it.
Amendment
6977
is
adopted
and
chairman
vaughn.
If
there's
anything
left
that
you
need
to
say
about
the
bill
is
amended.
A
Q
I
Q
Q
So
we've
got
a
pretty
big
swing
and-
and
my
fear
is,
is
that,
if
you're
in
a
county
that
has
a
higher
than
the
state
unemployment
rate,
if
you're
above
that
average,
I'm
afraid
this
could
incentivize
folks
to
move,
because
they
would
be
penalized
for
the
state
average,
where
theirs
could
be
significantly
higher
by
as
much
as
double.
And
so
I'm
overthinking.
That.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
that
there's
a
number
of
points
that
you
brought
up
there
and-
and
we
are
there-
is
some
concern
about
geographic
ranges
that
we
see
in
this.
But
to
that
point
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
really
remember
coming
upon
us
to
remember
is
that
I
hope
nobody's
going
to
move
just
so
they'll
get
a
better
unemployment
benefit.
You
know
that
that
what
unemployment's
meant
to
be
is
to
be
a
bridge
to
another
career
or
another
job.
I
Q
Thank
you
and
and
yeah
just
to
clarify
my
question:
wasn't
that
people
would
move
to
extend
their
unemployment
benefits
that
they
would
that
they
would
move
where
unemployment
was
significantly
higher
than
the
state
average,
because
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
extend.
If
you
know,
10
unemployment,
that's
a
that's
a
significant
number
compared
to
three
so
but
anyway,
I
appreciate
the
the
intent.
L
Shaw.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
to
my
good
friend.
I
got
a
whole
bunch
of
questions
here
that
were
written
out,
but
I
don't
want
to
ask
those.
I
just
want
to
get
direct
just
directly
to
the
point
you
know
and
I'm
going
to
use
our
area
for
an
example.
You
know
our
area
pretty
well,
and
we
also
know
that
this
pandemic
hit
us.
Nobody
expected
it.
We
just
didn't
know
what
to
do
all
of
the
above.
L
B
I
I
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it
must
be
true
if
you
read
it
in
the
tennessean
on
may
3rd.
Article
from
mr
ebert
tells
us
that,
overall,
the
balance
of
tennessee's
unemployment
trust
fund
would
last
just
12
weeks
if
we
did
not
do
something
to
reform
it
under
the
past
pandemic,
if
we
hadn't
pumped
it
up
with
the
federal
money.
I
L
Representative
shaw
and-
and
I
get
that
and-
and
it
was
said
earlier-
you're
right-
this
has
kind
of
become
a
way
of
life,
some
people,
I'm
not
denying
any
of
that-
that's
been
discussed,
but
but
we
got
such
a
surprise.
I
guess
my
point
is:
I
know
we
need
to
put
money
there.
We
need
to
save
money,
we
we're
doing
a
great
job
like
our
chair
and
all
of
this
committee
have
agreed
to
put
more
money
in
rain
today
and
all
that
is
important.
L
I
get
that
that's
very
important,
but
because
we
were
unprepared
for
this,
I
guess
the
thing
that
I
worry
about
is
is
being
unprepared
again
and
where
do
we
get
the
money
from
because
we've
been
fortunate
to
get?
Some
cares,
act,
money
and
other
things
to
get
us
over,
but
I
guess
my
whole
point
is
this
seems
like
a
an
odd
time
to
try
to
save,
rather
than
just
try
to
survive.
L
I
I
So
that's
that's
quite
a
ways
down
the
road,
so
we
hopefully
this,
the
the
coven
situation,
will
flush
itself
out
of
our
system,
we'll
find
ourselves
in
prosperous
times,
and
then
we
can
begin
saving,
because
a
lot
of
folks
don't
realize
this.
I've
been
on
unemployment,
you
know
it
was
there
when
I
needed
it,
and
so
I
don't.
I
don't
view
this
as
light
light
work.
I
I
view
it
as
something
that's
very
important
to
all
of
us
and
when
we
started
this
exercise
honestly,
we
didn't-
and
particularly
me-
I
didn't
approach
it
from
a
standpoint
of
how
do
we
get
our
workforce
back
in
back
into
business?
I
was
looking
at
it
from
the
mathematical
side
of
how
do
we
pump
our
trust
fund
back
up?
How
do
we
change
the
equation
to
where
there
will
be
money
there,
and
what
has
happened
is.
I
Is
we've
seen
a
slower
recovery,
primarily
due
to
workforce
issues,
and
so
then,
when
you
start
looking
at
workforce
issues,
then
you
start
looking
at
waste
fraud
and
abuse
and
those
other
things
that
come
along
with
it.
But
that
was
not
the
impetus
of
this
bill.
The
impetus
of
this
bill
was:
how
do
we
restore
people's
trust
in
our
unemployment
trust
fund.
G
G
We
have
248
000,
plus
jobs
and
careers
available
at
jobs4tn.gov.
We
have
created
an
environment
for
our
economy,
to
thrive
for
unemployment
rate,
to
drop
dramatically
and
we're
increasing
the
benefit,
while
also
reducing
the
weeks,
because
it
has
to
be
addressed
on
the
state
level.
I
have
a
restaurant
owner
in
knoxville,
calhoun's,
copper,
seller,
27,
restaurants.
G
He
needs
300
employees
today
he
is
having
to
close
down
restaurants
and
cycle
through
those
closures
because
he
can't
find
enough
people
to
work
because
of
the
state
money
being
paid
and
the
additional
300
being
paid
from
the
federal
government
that's
rolling
through
september.
I
don't
think
people
realize
what
a
what
el,
what
a
harm
that
is
to
the
economy
and
what
a
detriment
it
is
to
employment
and
to
employers.
I've
got
a
lawn
care
owner
who
lives
in
the
neighborhood.
G
Next
to
me,
he's
offering
25
an
hour
to
cut
grass
he's
had
that
out
since
april
15th.
He
has
not
gotten
one
application,
because
people
can
make
more
sitting
at
home
versus
working,
and
so
now
is
the
time
to
address
that.
We've
created
an
environment
here
in
tennessee,
where
there
are
so
many
career
opportunities
available,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
bringing
the
legislation
because
now's
the
time
to
do
it.
Thank
you,
sir.
B
The
question
has
been
called
and
I
would
add
to
chairman
zachary:
I
have
friends
in
chattanooga
who
own
several
restaurants,
who
are
set
having
the
same
issue.
They
really
cannot
get
enough
staffing
to
to
keep
their
doors
open.
So
thank
you
again
for
the
bill.
We
are
voting
on
house
bill
1039
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill,
1039
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
I
I
These
standards,
which
are
in
place
in
many
states
around
the
country,
have
served
us
well
through
the
pandemic.
We've
had
fully
you
notice
the
difference
between
the
turnaround
times
and
laboratory
analysis
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
versus
where
they
are.
Today,
we
attribute
much
of
that
to
the
adoption
of
these
guidelines.
These
are
the
same
guidelines
that
the
state
labs
operate
under,
so
we
would
ask
they'd,
be
adopted
permanently.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
vaughn,
for
bringing
this
bill
again.
I
think
it's
an
opportunity.
People
have
found
gainful
employment
and
without
this
bill
they
would
no
longer
be
employable
at
these
labs.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
it
are
there
questions
for
the
sponsor,
then,
without
objection,
we're
voting
on
house
bill
226
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
hospital.
226
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you,
chairman
vaughn,
and
thank.
E
B
M
Yes,
thank
you
chair
chair
lady
members.
This
bill
is
the
bill
we
discussed
in
finance
sub
earlier.
It
creates
an
expansion
of
the
current
residency
program
for
gme
graduate
medical
education
across
the
state
to
the
tune
of
four
million
dollars.
Those
monies
those
four
million
dollars
will
be
distributed
the
same
way
as
they
currently
are,
and
then
there
will
be
a
new
subsection
which
creates
a
doctorate
of
osteotheopathy
at
lmu
with
three
or
one
hospital
in
each
grand
division.
That
would
train
new
residency
programs.
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
This
is
a
situation
that
I
have
been
passionate
about
for
a
number
of
years
now
and
that's
breaking
the
log
jam
for
medical
residencies
or
graduate
medical
education
throughout
the
state.
A
lot
of
folks
don't
realize
it,
but
with
our
we've
been
blessed
with
a
number
of
med
schools
in
our
state.
Yet
we've
been
a
net
exporter
of
doctors
because
we
didn't
have
the
the
residency
slots
for
them
to
receive
hospital
training
cms,
who
runs
the
residency
pro
and
I'm
giving
you
all
the
benefit
of
all.
I
My
vast
knowledge
that
I've
picked
up
over
the
last
two
years,
cms
from
the
feds
runs
residency
programs
in
our
state
through
hospitals,
those
hospitals,
direct
those
those
doctors
in
training
into
the
fields
that
they
want
them
to
be
in,
and
sometimes
what
happens?
Is
you
miss
out
on
some
of
those
general
practitioners
and
pediatricians
that
are
some
of
the
lower
earners,
but
are
some
of
the
most
necessary
services
required
for
more
rural
parts
of
our
state?
I
So
what
this
this
program
that
we
conceived
was
is
let's
let
the
med
schools
determine
the
state-run
med
schools
determine
what
these
people
are
going
to
be
studying
within
these
programs
and
and
what
this
plan
does.
Is
it
establishes
15
residencies
in
chattanooga,
15
residencies
in
jackson,
15
residencies
in
knoxville
16
in
memphis
15
in
nashville,
all
those
are
going
to
be
run
by
ut
center
for
health
sciences
and
then
24
in
the
tri-cities
area.
I
That's
going
to
be
run
by
etsu
and
then,
as
chairman
williams
touched
on,
the
additional
million
and
a
half
is
going
to
be
run
through
the
lmu
med
school.
So
this
is
a
new
concept.
It's
a
new
program.
It's
one
that
we
hope
pays
dividend
we
we're
expecting,
I
believe,
about
140
new
doctors,
and
it
has
been
proven
that
doctors
spend
more
time
in
their
their
state
that
they
do
their
residencies
in.
So
we
hope
this
will
build
our
medical
workforce.
B
H
I
B
B
Next
on,
our
calendar
is
house
bill
1246
by
the
most
patient
man
in
the
legislature.
He
has
been
here
throughout
this
representative,
calfi
you're
recognized
and
let
the
record
know
that
he's
missing
his
own
party
to
be
here
in
finance,
because
I
think,
as
we
have
been
here,
the
toddler
shower
for
his
new
member
of
his
family,
mr
sawyer
has
been
going
on.
So
we
thank
you
for
choosing
us
over
that
and
apologize
for
your
long
wait.
Representative,
calfi,
you're
recognized.
That's.
E
E
B
B
A
E
B
The
question
has
been
called:
are
there
any
objections,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
bill
22,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed,
let
the
record
let
the
clerk
know
if
you'd
like
to
be
recorded
as
no
but
the
eyes
do
have
it
and
house
bill
22
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Next,
we
come
to
house
bill
1044
by
it's
been
carried
today
by
chairman
todd
chairman
todd.
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
you're
recognized.
Thank.
E
You,
mr
chair,
this
increases
the
number
of
commissioners
to
the
tennessee
public
utility
commission
from
five
members
to
seven
and
requires
that
the
new
commissioners,
the
two
new
commissioners
only
are
to
have
no
experience
in
a
regulated,
regulated
utility
industry,
and
then
it
increases
from
30
days
to
90
days.
The
amount
of
time
the
general
assembly
has
in
confirming
commissioned
members.
B
Heard
the
explanation:
are
there
questions
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1044.,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill,
1044
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules
representative
hurt
with
house
bill.
713
is
next
on
our
agenda.
You
have
a
motion
and
a
second
representing
hurt.
You're
recognized.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
house,
bill
713
addresses
bep
funding
following
students
that,
because
of
students,
treatment
plan
from
a
qualified
physician
are
sent
to
an
out-of-state
facility,
it
allows
the
facility
to
receive
bep
funding
for
educational
services
provided
during
behavioral
treatment.
These
facilities,
educational
programs,
will
be
qualified
by
the
department
of
department
of
education.
B
E
B
B
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee,
and
I,
of
course
I
want
to
say
it
again
thanks
to
commerce
insurance
working
for
six
years
on
this
bill
and
chairman
whitson,
he
was
right
there
with
me
as
well
as
and
and
I
need
to
to
mention
a
couple
names,
because
it
was
in
government
operations
chairman
mike
bell.
We
worked
on
this
as
well
as
a
chairman
jeremy
faison,
to
get
it
finally,
this
this
far
to
take
care
of
this
issue
and.
E
D
B
D
B
E
E
B
A
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
the
amendment
on
that
and
representative
sparks.
Thank
you
for
carrying
a
bill
that
I
carried
a
couple
years
ago
was
unsuccessful
in
getting
across
the
finish
line,
and
I'm
so
proud
to
see
that
you
are
able
to
do
this,
and
hopefully
everyone
will
support
it.
We
are
all
very
strongly
in
favor
of
the
second
amendment,
but
this
bill
will
save
lives
literally,
I
mean,
as
the
second
amendment
allows,
folks,
to
protect
themselves.
A
It
is
also
a
responsibility
to
do
so
safely
and
do
so
wisely
and
a
gun
safe
in
a
variety
of
different
versions,
both
sometimes
in
a
vehicle
or
a
home,
is
simply
a
common
sense
product
to
have
if
you're
going
to
possess
a
firearm.
So
thank
you
for
carrying
this.
I
actually
hope
this
will
be
something
that
might
turn
into
a
recurring
expense.
I
know
this
is
just
a
one-time
for
the
next
year
bill
for
right
now,
but
representative
sparks.
Thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
and
seriously.
B
B
B
All
right,
you've
heard
the
explanation
of
the
amendment
we're
voting
on
amendment
8124
being
added
to
the
bill.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
The
amendment
is
attached
we're
now
back
on
the
bill
as
amended
and
leader
gant.
We
do
have
someone
who's
asked
to
testify.
Would
you
like
to
hear
god
obsession
have
their
testimony
first
or.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members.
What
this
piece
of
legislation
does
is
it
increases
the
penalty
of
incapacitating,
a
highway
or
other
passageway
to
a
class
e
felony
and
a
mandatory
fine
of
three
thousand
dollars
section.
Two
of
this
legislation
creates
criminal
immunity
from
prosecution
for
any
drivers
who
are
exercising
due
caution
and
who
unintentionally,
cause
injury
or
death
to
a
person
illegally.
D
Obstructing
a
roadway
section
three
creates
a
class,
a
misdemeanor
for
a
person
who
throws
an
object
at
another,
with
the
intent
of
harming
the
other
person,
while
participating
in
a
riot
and
a
class
e
felony
for
a
person
who
throws
an
object
at
another
and
causes
bodily
injury
while
participating
in
a
riot
section.
4
creates
a
class,
a
misdemeanor
for
a
person
while
participating
in
a
riot
who
intentionally
intimidates
or
harasses
an
individual
in
a
public
place
who
is
not
participating
in
a
riot
and
madam
chair,
I
know
what
you're
interested
in
is.
D
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
leader
gantt
for
the
legislation
members,
just
specifically
the
part
of
this
piece
of
legislation.
I
know
that
has
created
the
most
interest
is
section
two,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
section,
2
references
code,
3917
307
and
the
second
sentence
of
this.
G
Vehicles
conveyance,
whether
the
obstruction
arises
from
the
person's
axe
alone
or
from
the
person's
acts
and
the
acts
of
others.
So
what
we're
referencing
here
is
something
that
is
already
illegal
and
is
already
a
misdemeanor,
and
every
word
of
the
legislation
is
important
and
madam
chair
and
mr
leader
I'd
also
go
to
the
first
sentence
in
subsection:
two,
where
it
says
a
person
operating
a
vehicle
who
is
exercising
due
care.
G
That
is
a
legal
term
that
refers
to
the
effort
made
by
an
ordinarily,
prudent
or
reasonable
party
to
avoid
harm
to
another,
taking
the
circumstances
into
account.
It
refers
to
the
level
of
judgment,
care,
prudence,
determination
and
activity
of
that
person
who
would
reasonably
be?
Who
would
who
would
reasonably
be
expected
to
do
under
particular
circumstances?
The
standard
is
applied
to
a
vast
variety
of
contexts,
whether
the
duty
may
be
driving
on
the
road
or
performing
a
background
check.
The
precise
definition
is
made
by
a
case-by-case
basis.
G
There
were
a
large
group
of
protesters
that
went
into
that
neighborhood
blocked
the
neighborhood
blocked
people
from
leaving
circled
the
cul-de-sac
that
I
used
to
live
in
and
block
driveways,
and
I
became
aware
of
this
because
a
friend
of
mine,
who
is
a
federal
agent
reached
out
to
me-
and
he
said,
hey-
I
just
had
some
people
in
this
particular
neighborhood,
not
knowing
I
lived
there.
He
said
they
asked
me
to
come
over
and
remedy
the
issue
with
these
protesters,
and
he
said
what
do
you
think
I
should
do?
G
So
while
I
can
appreciate
someone's
right
to
peacefully
assemble,
as
it
says
in
the
constitution,
the
definitions
of
a
symbol
and
protest,
as
in
as
in
daniel
webster's
1828
dictionary
are
very,
very
different
and
those
reference
in
particular
the
first
amendment
the
words
used
in
the
first
amendment.
So
ever
anyone
has
the
right
to
peacefully
assemble
to
redress
the
grievances.
You
do
not
have
a
constitutional
right
to
impede
and
stop
people
from
progressing
with
their
day-to-day
lives
right
now
that
is
already
against
the
law
in
tennessee.
G
So
we
are
simply
saying
if
you
do
like
what
you
did
to
a
state
senator
last
year,
when
30
people
surrounded
his
car
and
put
signs
all
over
his
car
and
began
to
shake
his
car.
If
you
do
like
was
done,
was
done
in
my
neighborhood,
my
former
neighborhood,
where
you
block,
and
I
have
people
texting
my
wife
saying:
can
he
do
something?
Because
people
won't
let
us
leave
our
neighborhood
and
they're
blocking
their
streets?
G
G
You
need
to
get
your
butt
out
of
the
street
and
let
somebody
drive
by
or
if
you
don't
do,
that
this
person,
that
person,
if
they
are
in
tim,
if
they
are
scared
for
their
safety
and
they
exercise,
do
care,
they
have
the
right
to
proceed
and
you
do
not
have
the
right
to
stop
them
and
so
leader.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
piece
of
legislation.
It's
it's
needed
because
every
time
we
pass
a
piece
of
legislation
like
this
people
respond
because
it
becomes
law
and
then
there's
consequences
to
breaking
the
law.
D
Thank
you,
chairman
zachary,
and
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
closing
comments.
The
biggest
thing
here
is,
if
someone
specifically
targets
a
citizen
that
may
be
protesting,
maybe
going
about
their
way
of
showing
their
belief
about
something
they're
protesting
against,
and
somebody
specifically
targets
that
person
with
their
vehicle
they're
going
to
jail.
B
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
I
can
appreciate
all
that's
been
said
because
I
know
that's
aggravating
and
matter
of
fact.
I've
had
things
like
that
to
happen
to
me.
So
what
right
now
if
this
law
passed
well,
I
have
I
mean
if
I
got
my
piece
in
the
car
and
some
people
try
to
stop
me
and
block
me.
What
right
do
I
have
leader
gantt.
L
D
Well,
first
and
foremost,
you
didn't
ask
to
be
in
that
situation.
Did
you
and
in
this
legislation
it
says
that
if
you're
in
that
situation,
that
you
must
use
do
care,
you
cannot
target
somebody
and
say
I'm
going
to
run
them
over
because
they're
in
my
way.
But
you
do
have
the
ability,
under
this
legislation
to
use
due
care
and.
L
A
Thank
you
again
in
any
circumstance
like
that.
If
you
can
either
you
know,
wait
call
the
police
do
whatever
is
necessary
to
try
to
make
sure
that
both
you're
safe
and
those
around
you
that's
the
wisest
course
of
action
it
the
circumstance
you're
describing
is
where
it
sounds
like
somebody's
threatening
you
or
your
person,
that's
kind
of
a
totally
different
situation
that
doesn't
really
involve
this
bill
and
this
whether
this
bill
were
to
pass
or
not
the
circumstance
you're
describing
is
if
somebody's
threatening
you
is
what
it
sounds
like.
That's
a
totally
different
paradigm.
A
This
is
literally
where
it
just
says,
exercise
do
care
and
if
somebody
unintentionally
causes
injury
which,
as
the
sponsor
has
tried
to
say
several
times,
if
somebody
intentionally
or
with
gross
recklessness
I
mean,
is
endangering
somebody
else,
they're
going
to
still
get
charged
they're
going
to
get
in
trouble,
they
may
very
well
get
you
know
convicted
of
something,
but
everybody
still
needs
to
just
be
careful.
Take
it
easy
do
everything
you
can,
whether
you're
a
protester
or
someone
that's
in
a
vehicle
to
not
endanger
lives.
I
mean
the
main
point
of
this.
Is
that
folks?
A
Should
not
be
out
in
the
road
in
a
situation
like
this,
but
at
the
same
time,
folks
that
are
in
vehicles
should
exercise
due
care.
It's
going
to
vary
based
on
the
circumstance,
but
there's
not
a
clear
cut
hey.
If
this
happens,
then
this
occurs
and
everybody
again
should
respect
each
other's
lives
and
try
to
keep
things
tamped
down
and
toned
down
so
that
they're
peaceful
protest
and
there
are
peaceful,
just
citizens
of
the
community
that
can
go
about
their
lives.
L
I
I
just
wanted.
I
mean
I
kind
of
had
a
situation
like
that
to
happen.
I
guess
if,
in
the
case,
that
you're
being
threatened
is
what
I'm
saying
I
mean,
if
you
would,
the
law
protect
if
I
could
prove
that
I
was
being
threatened
and
I
had
to
use
some
type
of
force
to
get
out
of
the
situation.
I
guess
I'm
just
asking
with
the
law
protect
me
on
in
a
case
like
that.
A
So
you
have
a
right
to
self-defense
in
this
state
whether
this
bill
passes
or
not.
That's
really
separate
from
this
bill.
But
yes,
sir,
you
have
a
right
to
defend
yourself.
If,
if
you
know
yourself
or
someone
else
is
being
threatened
with
bodily
injury
or
death,
but
really
it's
kind
of
a
separate
issue
from
this
particular
bill,
it
doesn't
go
into
that
arena,
but
nothing
in
this
bill
would
affect
your
ability
to
be
able
to
defend
yourself
under
the
current
laws
of
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
I
I
have
for
years,
though
cautioned
folks
that,
just
because
you
have
a
right
to
self-defense
does
not
mean
you
should
be
eager
to
exercise
that
right.
It
should
be
something
is
very
carefully
considered
and
to
make
sure
that
others
in
the
area
would
be
safe
again,
it's
just
something
that
every
single
circumstance
is
different.
But
yes,
sir,
you
have
a
right
to
self-defense.
E
Think
about
sharing
just
to
kind
of
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
what
do
care
is.
Do
care
simply
just
means
that
what
an
ordinary
person
would
do
in
the
same
circumstances.
So
in
the
analysis
of
whether
or
not
that
was
reasonable,
they
took
due
care.
They
would
take
whatever
facts
there
that
took
place.
They
would
another
person
in
those
similar
facts.
Similar
facts
do
the
same
thing.
That's
where
we
get
where
the
due
care
comes
into
play,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clarification.
M
E
B
B
H
H
H
But
we,
the
way
you
have
explained
the
bill
is
dealing
with
people
that
are
rioting.
So
I
think
rioting
and
peaceful
protesting
is
two
different
things.
So
could
you
explain?
Is
your
bill
dealing
with
what's
happening,
doing
a
riot
situation,
or
does
this
apply
to
both
rioting
and
peaceful
protesting.
D
B
H
Camper
in
general,
because
the
examples
that
I
keep
hearing
are
about
people
doing
a
peaceful
protest,
but
you
set
the
bill
up
as
if
it
was
dealing
with
people
that
were
rioting.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
get
clarity
of
what
your
intent
is.
Is
it
to
deal
with
the
writing
or
is
it
to
deal
with
peaceful
protesting
and
rioting?
I'm
not
sure
which
section
I
don't
have
a
bill
in
front
of
me
later
again.
I
can
try
to
pull
it
up.
D
D
There
is
no
constitutional
right
to
give
someone
the
ability
to
hold
others
against
their
will,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
which
section
of
it
this
legislation
you're
referring
to.
But
I
mean
there's
situations
that
you
know
say
someone
turns
a
corner
and
they're
headed
to
the
grocery
store
or
headed
to
go
shopping
and
all
of
a
sudden
they
find
themselves
in
the
middle
of
a
situation
they
didn't
want
to
be.
In
you
know,
just
like
representative
shaw
was
referring
to.
D
H
Later
camper,
I'm
saying,
if
there's
a
peaceful
protest,
where
you
know
you
have,
somebody
has
pulled
a
permit,
they're
doing
a
peaceful
protest.
They
have
the
right
to
be
out
protesting
and
someone
may
accidentally
hit
somebody
or
somebody
may
feel
intimidated,
but
they're
peacefully
protesting
they're,
not
riding
they're,
just
walking
down
the
street
or
doing
you
know,
holding
a
candle
or
doing
whatever
it
is
that
they're
doing
that
they're
authorized
to
do
they
have
a
permit,
but
someone
else
feels
intimidated
by
that.
D
M
I
might
be
a
little
bit
more
confused,
but
I
thought
maybe
if
I
could
ask
legal
a
question:
how
does
this
relate
to
false
imprisonment?
Then,
if
I,
if
I'm
in
a
park,
if
I'm
in
the
parking
garage
and
somebody
impugns
my
ability
to
leave
under
this
statute,
would
you
have
the
same
protections
or
you
know
we?
We
have
lots
of
very
famous
people
in
the
state
and
people.
M
C
Joel
hayes
office
of
legal
services,
chairman
williams,
this
bill
does
not
directly
address
false
imprisonment,
but
I
can
hopefully
clear
up
a
couple
of
things
here.
So
one
sections,
one
and
two
of
the
bill
deal
with
obstruction
of
a
passage,
a
person's
passage
for
highways,
sidewalks
aisles
access
to
elevators
things
like
that.
C
If
that
person
is
doing
so
without
legal
privilege,
that's
where
leader
camper
was
asking
about
pulling
a
permit,
a
person
that
pulls
a
permit
for
a
peaceful
protest
or
something
like
that
would
have
legal
privilege.
You
know
I
generally
now
section
three
of
the
bill
is:
where
later
again,
that's
referring
to
the
the
riots
specifically
referred
to
riots
and
the
throwing
of
objects.
C
But
with
regard
to
your
question
of
blocking
someone
in
trying
to
leave
a
parking
garage
or
something
along
those
lines,
it
would
depend
on
one.
Is
there
a
permit
pulled?
Does
the
the
person
blocking
that
access?
Do
they
have
a
legal
privilege
to
do
so?
You
know
and
and
are
inadvertently
blocking
access
to
that
garage.
C
M
Thank
you.
The
reason
why
I
asked
this
question.
Is
I
carried
from
many
years
of
paparazzi
bill
because
we're
trying
to
protect
artists
that
come
here
to
reside
across
the
state,
the
argument
of
it
just
being
a
permitted
or
legal
use
versus
somebody
being
able
to
be
in
a
right-of-way
or
on
a
public
sidewalk.
M
It's
a
thin
line
there,
and
that's
why
I
was
wondering
if
it
needed
to
be
clarified,
because
in
one
instance
one
you
may
have
a
permit
to
do
that,
but
some
people
have
a
right
to
be
in
the
right
of
way
and
if
you're
leaving
a
parking
garage
into
a
right-of-way,
I
I'm
I'm
fearful
that
all
somebody
would
have
to
say.
Well,
I've
got
a
legal
privilege
here,
even
though
it
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
that.
I
I
hope
that
you
can
speak
to
that.
M
I
support
the
idea
I
support,
as
it
relates
to
false
imprisonment
too,
but
I
I
think,
by
giving
the
example
that
chairman
zachary
gave
earlier
about
people
blocking
the
right
of
way
it.
That
could
be
argued
because
they're
in
a
right
of
way
that
it's
false
imprisonment,
because
they
had
the
right
legally
to
be
in
a
right
of
way.
C
Oh,
so
the
definition
of
obstruct
in
this
circumstance
is
to
render
passage
unreasonably
inconvenient.
So
if
someone
is
happens
to
be
in
the
way-
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
them
waiting
for
them
to
move,
you
know
that
that
may
not
be
a
an
obstruction.
But
if
someone
refuses
to
move,
then
we're
getting
into
oh
the
fact
that
they
were
likely
obstructing
someone's
egress.
M
Q
D
C
Later
ganter
again
that
comes
down
to
without
legal
privilege
or
that
particular
clause
again,
if
someone
has
pulled
a
pr
permit
so
where
they
have
the
ability
to
assemble
in
the
streets,
perhaps
for
a
march
or
something
along
those
lines,
then
they
would
be
absolutely
authorized
to
be
in
the
street.
In
that
circumstance,.
B
C
L
Mountain
chair
be
very
brief,
but
that
was
really
my
concern
because
chairman
williams
just
spoke
to
it
I
mean
I'm
not
against
the
bill,
but
if
we
gonna
pass
it,
I
think
it
needs
to
help
the
citizens
who
have
been
abused.
It
looked
like
to
me
all
the
bill
is
gonna.
Do
is
help
the
other
side.
I
mean.
How
does
it
help
us?
Because
if
someone
is
going
to
block
the
road,
if
they
block
the
street,
they
already
know
they
violate
the
law.
They
don't
plan
to.
L
C
L
L
E
E
J
C
Just
one
second
for
me
to
look
at
the
language
of
the
actual
statute.
Here:
okay,
the
the
the
bill
in
section
two
states
that
a
person
operating
a
motor
vehicle
who
is
exercising
due
care
and
unintentionally
causes
injury
or
death
to
another
person
who
is
violating
subsection
a
and
subsection
a
is
basically
where
we
are
talking
about
someone
who
is
obstructing
a
highway.
C
J
E
B
D
F
Rules:
okay,
members
item
number
74
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill
130
by
chair
lady
hazelwood,
cheerleading
hazelwood.
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
We
have
an
amendment
filed
on
this
bill.
It's
drafting
code,
77.55
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
amendment
chair,
lady
hazelwood,
okay,
question's
been
called
on
the
amendment
absent
objection.
We
are
voting
to
add
the
amendment
onto
the
bill,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
okay,
amendment
77
55
is
now
on
house
bill.
130
questions
been
called
on
the
bill
absent
objections.
F
B
B
We
have
a
mission
in
a
second
on
the
amendment.
Question's
been
called
on
the
amendment
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
the
eyes
have
it.
I
guess
I
should
any
opportunity
give
someone
an
opportunity
to
say
no,
and
he
knows
hearing
none
the
eyes
have
it
drafting
code.
Eight
zero.
Two
three
goes
on
the
bill:
chairman
williams,
you're
recognized
on
the
bill
as
amended.
Thank.
M
You
chairman
of
members,
this
will
allow
for
nascar
to
bring
back
its
races
to
the
historic
fairgrounds
of
motor
speedway
in
davidson
county.
It
will
it
authorize
events
at
the
speedway
in
davidson
county
to
be
included
in
the
sales
tax,
local
option,
sales,
tax,
local
seat,
privilege,
tax
structures
currently
permitted
and
code.
The
revenue
generated
from
this
bill
will
allow
the
metropolitan
board
of
fair
commissioners
to
properly
maintain
and
develop
the
speedway
for
future
purposes.
Madam
chair
lady
members,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
B
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
what
the
amendment
did.
Is
it
just
changed
the
ending
date
from
2025
to
2023
and
members?
What
this
legislation
does
is
the
tennessee
invesco
program
was
established
by
general
assembly
in
2010
and
was
designed
to
increase
flow
of
capital
to
innovative
new
companies
in
tennessee
in
early
stages
of
development.
D
The
return
on
investment
for
the
state
has
been
underwhelming,
and
the
statutory
end
of
the
program
is
approaching.
Statute
requires
ecd
to
liquidate
the
remaining
investments
starting
december
31st
of
2023,
but
does
not
adequately
define
the
liquidation
process.
In
short,
this
amendment
or
what
this
legislation
does
now
is
it
encourages
liquidation
of
the
outstanding
investments
by
the
end
of
2023,
effectively
ending
the
program
without
forcing
a
fire
sale
that
would
devalue
the
remaining
investments
under
this
plan.
D
Q
So,
while
our
our
return
on
our
investment
wasn't
there,
we
were
the
first
dollars
in
which
which
allowed
others,
and
while
this
program
wasn't
as
successful
as
we
had
hoped,
I
hope
we
can
work
together
to
create
another
program
that
can
invest
in
companies
like
this,
because
this
is
the
type
of
entrepreneurship
and
and
creative
problem
solving
that
we're
known
for
here
and
so
anyway.
I
look
forward
to
working
on
that
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
B
B
Okay,
any
further
questions,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1522,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
guys
have
it
house
bill
1522
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Next,
we're
on
house
bill
865
by
chairman,
hasten
chairman
hayson.
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
you
are
recognized.
E
B
B
B
B
B
B
E
E
The
need
for
a
board
solely
responsible
for
oversight
of
these
professionals
is
critical
to
ensure
quality
patient
care.
This
board
would
consist
of
seven
physicians
assistant,
one
physician
and
one
consumer
member,
and
currently
they
are
the
pas,
are
under
the
medical
boards
committee
on
physicians
assistance,
but
this
would
be
able
to
create
their
own.
It's
a
growing
industry,
our
community,
our
college
in
harrogate,
puts
out
more
doctors
than
any
college
in
america,
so
it's
a
growing
industry.
E
B
B
H
B
A
A
B
The
question
has
been
called
on
the
bill:
we're
voting
on
house
bill
1267,
moving
forward,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
You
guys
have
it
house
bill
1267
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules
that
completes
this
calendar.
Do
we
have
any
further
business
coming
before
the
committee
leader
lamberth.
A
With
that,
madam
chairman,
I
merely
want
to
be
the
first
of
probably
many
to
say
you
have
done
a
phenomenal
job
of
leading
us
through
this
year
in
passing
a
32.6
billion
budget
last
week,
which
was
a
phenomenal
accomplishment,
and
we
appreciate
your
leadership
for
our
committee.
We
appreciate
your
service
to
this
state
and
we
applaud
your
efforts.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
B
Well,
while
we're
in
thank
you
mode,
I
want
to
thank
a
number
of
people.
We
have
thanked
our
some
of
our
staff
on
the
floor,
the
other
night,
but
I
or
day
or
whatever
time
we
got
to
that,
but
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
again
to
thank
the
person
who
sat
to
my
right
hand
throughout
this
marina
tunic.
B
B
B
My
assistant
you've
not
seen
a
lot
of
her,
but
she
has
been
behind
the
scenes
working
so
hard
and
I
I
hope
that
you
all
have
found
it
an
easy
process
to
get
your
amendments
filed
to
when
you
were
filing
appropriations
amendments
and
all
that
working
with
taylor
aylef.
I
know
she
has.
She
has
done
a
yeoman's
job
and
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
and
a
hand
clap
to
her.
Please.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
don't
get
recognition,
but
without
them
we
couldn't
make
this
bus
run
our
clerks
nick
ranger,
mike
crutchfield
and
caroline
markle.
We
thank
you
for
your
work
and
a
special
shout
out
to
the
folks
who
have
worked
so
hard
to
clean
the
mics
and
try
and
make
sure
that
we
are
healthy
and
safe
as
we
do
our
work
here.
So
again
it
takes
a
lot
of
people
to
get
this
job
done.
I
want
to
thank
chairman
hicks
for
his
incredibly
able
leadership.
B
B
And
if
there's
anyone
I've
missed,
I
do
apologize,
but
again-
and
thank
you
all
for
this
committee
is
a
hard-working
committee
and
you
have,
for
the
most
part,
been
incredibly
dedicated
and
been
here
on
time
and
sat
throughout
some
lengthy
sessions
like
we've
had
today.
So
again,
I
appreciate
your
work
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
again
come
january.
If
we
don't
get
to
come
back
here
later,
gant.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members,
calendar
and
rules
will
meet
at
3,
45
calendar
and
rules
will
be
at
3
45..
I
know
we
have
session
at
four,
but
speaker,
sexton
and
speaker.
Pro
tim
marsh
are
on
calendar
and
rules,
so
we
can't
start
session
without
them,
so
we
will
go
through
calendar
and
rules
until
we
finish
working
through
our
bills.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.