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House Finance, Ways, & Means Committee- April 20, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
B
Good
morning
it
is
still
morning
I'd
like
to
call
the
finance
and
wayne's
means
committee
to
order
for
april
20th
2022.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
Thank
you,
madam
clark.
Just.
B
Today
I
appreciate
this
is
the
flu
in
our
process,
as
any
of
you
who
have
spent
time
here
know
we're
continuing
that
tradition
today
at
this
meeting
at
this
time
we
will
only
be
taking
up
the
appropriations
calendar.
So
if
you're
in
the
audience-
and
you
have
a
bill
that
is
on
finance
full
but
is
not
a
part
of
the
appropriations
calendar,
then
we
will
take
those
up
at
some
time
later
today,
time
to
be
determined
and
chairman
zachary.
I
believe
you
have
an
announcement.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members.
There
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
when
calendar
and
rules
is
meeting,
because
we
have
some
colleagues
that
are
waiting
for
that
committee
to
meet.
We
will
not
be
meeting
in
calendar
and
rules
following
this
meeting
of
finance.
We
will
recess
and
finance
and
be
back
this
afternoon.
Calendar
and
rules
will
meet
this
afternoon
after
finance.
Just
to
be
clear.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
lady.
All
right
members,
we
are
on
the
appropriations
calendar
we're
on
item
number
one.
This
is
going
to
be
house
bill
2882
by
chair,
lady
hazelwood.
We
have
a
motion
a
second.
We
have
a
motion
a
second
you
are
recognized
chair,
lady
hoseywood.
It
looks
like
there
are
seven
amendments
that
have
been
filed
on
this
bill,
so
we
will
begin
with
amendment
number
one
and
I
have
drafting
code
zero.
One
seven,
six,
four
eight
is
that
correct.
B
D
All
right
members
you've
heard
the
description
of
the
amendment
any
discussion,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
amendment
zero,
one,
seven,
six,
four,
eight
on
to
house
bill,
2882,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed,
no
the
eyes
have
it
we're
back
on
the
bill
as
amended.
That
brings
us
to
amendment
number.
Two.
Amendment
number
two
is
going
to
be
drafting
code.
This
is
by
chair
lady
hazelwood
and
chair
lady.
Let's
just
check
this
drafting
code.
Again,
it's
going
to
be
zero.
One.
Three,
nine,
nine
nine!
Is
that
what
you
have?
D
B
You,
mr
chairman,
and
again,
this
is
the
administration's
amendment
to
the
appropriations
bill
which
all
of
our
members
and
it's
been
a
public
out
for
public
view
for
quite
some
time
with
that
I
would
just
move
approval
of
the
amendment.
D
D
All
right
that
brings
us
to
amendment
number
three,
also
by
chair
lady
hazelwood,
chair
lady.
Let's
just
check
this
amendment
drafting
code.
I
have
zero
one,
four:
zero:
zero,
zero.
Is
that
correct?
That's
what
I
have!
Yes
all
right!
Members
do.
We
have
a
motion.
Second,
we
have
a
motion.
A
second
you're
recognized
on
the
amendment.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
the
legislative
amendment
to
the
appropriations
bill.
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
for
the
sponsor
of
the
amendment
to
go
over
the
amendment.
We've
gotten
a
different
schedule
today.
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
looking
at
the
right
schedule.
Maybe
she
can
talk
through
for
people
who
were
not
in
budget
subcommittee
to
explain
kind
of
what's
in
this
amendment,
so
people
can
get
an
idea
of
what's
in
the
amendment,
because
we
have
a
separate
schedule
that
just
was
handed
to
us.
Yes,.
D
Ma'am,
thank
you
leader,
camper,
for
bringing
that
up,
and
let
me
just
let
the
members
know
as
well
as
the
audience
that
all
the
new
documents
are
out
on
dashboard
now.
I
think
there's
some
sheets
down
front
for
those
that
are
in
the
audience,
but
I
can
assure
you
we
will
take
our
time
later.
Once
we
get
once
we
get
the
amendments
put
on,
we
are
going
to
go
back
over
this
bill
as
amended,
so
you
will
get
every
opportunity
to
have
any
questions.
You
have
answered.
You're
recognized.
E
I
understand
that,
mr
chairman,
but
the
point
I'm
making
is
there
are
people
on
this
committee
that
has
never
seen
the
we
have
not
went
over
the
amendment
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
and
then
there's
going
to
be
an
amendment
to
that
amendment.
So
I
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
members
to
understand
what's
currently
in
this
amendment
so
that
we
can
do
a
comparison
as
to
what's
going
to
change
in
the
amendment.
D
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
leader
camper
is
right.
There
are
a
couple
of
major
changes,
we'll
talk
about
those
from
what
we
discussed
yesterday
in
budget
sub,
so
I'm
just
we'll
start
at
the
beginning
kind
of
work
through
the
first
of
all.
I
want
to
continue
to
point
out
we
mentioned
this
yesterday,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that,
while
this
year's
budget
2223
the
state
budget
that
we're
looking
at
currently
is
52.8
billion
dollars
for
perspective,
the
total
budget
last
year
is
51.2
billion
dollars.
B
There's
been
some
conversation
and
some
confusion,
because
the
initial
budget
that
we
passed
for
2122
was
only
42.6
billion
dollars.
There's
concern
about
the
growth
the
amount
of
growth
in
that
budget,
but
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
that
change
was
primarily
due
to
the
recognition
of
over
8
billion
dollars
in
federal
code,
really
funding.
That
was
realized
after
the
passage
of
the
budget
and
had
to
be
recognized.
B
In
addition,
there
was
some
additional
revenues
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
the
fyi
2223
state
budget,
also
includes
federal
funds
appropriated
through
the
american
rescue
plan,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
frequently
in
finance
and
other
places
is
the
fact
that
we
have
all
these
federal
dollars
that
are
skewing
and
to
what
degree.
We
really
don't
know
at
this
point,
but
skewing
our
budget
and
when
those
dollars
are
gone.
The
impact
of
on
what's
remaining
is
yet
to
be
seen.
B
B
It
was
out
for
quite
some
time
so
I'll
just
take
a
minute
and
walk
through
some
of
the
major
changes,
legislative
initiatives,
things
that
we
listen
to
our
members
from
the
general
assembly
and
on
our
friends
and
the
upper
house
or
the
other
house,
the
house
of
lords
or,
however,
we're
terming
them
today.
B
The
things
that
we
as
a
body
were
interested
in
and
therefore
made
changes
in
the
budget
in
order
to
fund.
But
the
and
they're
just
a
couple
of
they're
small
in
terms
of
the
budget,
but
they're
still,
you
know
significant.
There
might
be
questions
about
that.
I
would
go
over.
There
was
in
the
governor's
budget
or
in
the
aaa
there
was
a
grant
or
monies
for
technical
assistance
for
sentencing
reform.
B
This
was
for
a
vendor
for
a
contract
and
they've
indicated
that
they'll
be
able
to
complete
their
contract
without
this
additional
funding.
So
we
repurposed
those
monies.
In
the
governor's
budget
there
was
150
million
dollars
for
violent
crime
intervention
grants.
We
have
now
reduced
that,
and
this
is
a
change.
This
is
a
change
from
yesterday,
but
with
further
conversations
we
were
concerned
about,
there
was
a
lack
of
specificity.
B
We
talked
about
this
yesterday,
where
this
is
not
a
slap
at
our
friends
in
the
dairy
industry,
but
there
is
just
not
a
currently
a
mechanism
to
monitor
or
to
distribute
these
grants,
so
we
repurpose
those
dollars
as
well,
and
we
did
on
the
violent
crime
intervention
grants
that
I
mentioned.
We
have
we're
putting
language
in
the
budget
that
will
put
some
parameters
around
how
those
funds
will
be
used.
Basically,
they
will
be
available
in
a
grant
pool
for
law
enforcement
and
you'll
see
more
about
that.
B
In
the
budget
language
we
did,
there
was
135
million
dollars
that
was
set
aside
for
coveted
funding
when
we
were
still
unsure
as
to
what
that
pandemic
was
going
to
do
to
our
costs
and
needs
those
dollars
have
not
been
used,
so
we
are
allocating
them.
In
this
budget
there
was
200
million
dollars
initially
proposed
for
moving
schools
in
tennessee
out
of
the
flood
zone.
B
We
have
taken
180
million
dollars
of
that
and
reallocated
it
for
a
number
of
reasons,
one
being
that
it
was
very
difficult.
There
was
the
the
list
of
schools
that
that
would
apply
to
was
kind
of
a
moving
target.
There
were
questions
about
how
it
would
be
addressed
if
part
of
a
school
were
in
the
school
zone,
not
the
entire
school.
There
were
just
a
lot
of
questions
about
that,
so,
but
what
we
did
make
sure
that
we
did.
B
We
changed
some
things
from
recurring
to
non-recurring
to
help
us
with
our
budgeting
process,
including
tourism,
marketing
grants
and
tema
rural
opportunity.
Grants
have
had
some
questions
about
that.
We
did
remove
the
additional
dollars
that
were
in
the
aaa,
but
there's
still
a
base,
228
million
dollars
in
the
base
a
similar
thing
with
fast
track.
We
took
the
recurring
dollars,
but
they
still
have
85
million
in
non-recurring
funding
in
the
base
budget.
B
B
B
The
professional
privilege
tax
we're
eliminating
physicians,
that's
a
9.7
million
dollar
tax
cut,
and
that
is
consistent
with
the
process
that
we've
used
in
trying
to
eliminate
this
on
a
gradual
basis.
We
have
eliminated
a
number
of
categories
previously
and
we
will
continue
to
work
on
that
category
by
category
this
year.
We're
eliminating
the
positions,
broadband
tax
credit,
as
you
know,
there's
in
maps
where
I
believe
out
yesterday
that
showed
the
needs
for
broadband
in
the
state,
which
are
many.
B
There
are
broadband
grants
available
with
federal
funding
and
other
dollars
that
this
legislature
has
set
aside
for
that
purpose,
to
try
and
get
everybody
in
tennessee
who
wants
to
be
connected
connected
those
grants
have
a
three-year
life
span.
We
are
asking
providers
to
work
within
that
three-year
period
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
many
people
online
as
we
possibly
can
as
quickly
as
we
can.
B
With
this
broadband
tax
credit
we're
really
giving
an
additional
10
funding
on
those
grants,
because
prior
to
the
providers,
would
have
had
to
pay
sales
tax,
some
materials,
installation
and
those
things.
With
this
tax
cut
with
this
tax
relief,
then
they
will
no
longer
have
to
pay
that
tax.
So
there's
10
percent
more
from
the
grant
money
that
will
be
able
to
go
directly
to
broadband.
B
All
right,
sorry,
if
you
had,
if
you
can't
hear
me
out
there,
raise
your
hand
or
so
give
me
a
clue,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
adjust,
but
the
broadband
grants
are
for
a
three-year
period.
Matching
the
broadband
tax
relief
is
for
three
year
period,
matching
the
grants
and
that's
68
million
dollars
a
year.
So
in
addition
to
the
300
million
dollar
tax
cuts
in
this
budget
year,
there's
another
136
million
dollars
that
will
be
applied
in
years
two
and
years
three
toward
that
broadband
tax
relief.
B
B
B
Agricultural
technology
has
changed
just
like
any
other
industry,
so
this
bill
will,
or
this
budget
will
fund
a
bill
that
will
make
the
agricultural
tax
code
mirror
what
we
do
for
manufacturers,
and
that
is,
if
it's
part
of
the
process,
then
it
will
not
be
taxed
if
you're
a
certified
farmer.
We
also
are
removing
the
sales
tax
on
gold
coins,
bullion
and
collectible
paper
money,
and
this
is
a
big
one.
This
will
help
every
tennessean
who
owns
a
vehicle
plate
registration
for
one
year.
B
The
state
portion
of
that
fee
will
be
waived,
there'll
be
no
state
cost
for
tax
for
personal
vehicles
for
one
year
for
your
personal
vehicle.
For
your
motorcycle,
we
also
because
of
some
aggressive
auditing
we
have
had
our.
We
have
been
collecting
sales
tax
from
computer
services
and
again
we
could
have
a
discussion
another
day
about
those
that
aggressive
auditing
and
how
that
came
to
be,
but
we're
removing
that
tax
in
this
budget
and
that's
6.4
million
dollars
recurring
money.
We
also
are
continuing
the
exemption
on
gun
safes
for
another
year.
That's
320
000!
B
In
addition
to
those
tax
cuts,
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
things
that
are
going
to
help
our
local
governments
and
our
local
communities
we're
putting
one
million
dollars
in
a
grant
pool
for
county
and
regional
affairs,
and
this
is
added
to
what
the
governor
already
had
in
his
base
budget
of
half
a
million
we're
putting
a
million
dollars
in
competitive
grants
for
senior
citizens
statewide.
This
is
a
600
000
increase
over
last
year,
we're
putting
a
million
dollars
for
universal
adult.
B
Changing
table
grants
we
are
putting
five
million
dollars
into
a
pool
that
volunteer
fire
departments
across
the
state
will
be
able
to
access
for
equipment
and
supplies,
and
two
million
dollars
for
rescue
squads
for
the
same
purposes.
The
epilepsy
foundation
will
be
receiving
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars,
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
grand
division
for
their
work.
Three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
boys
and
girls
clubs,
half
a
million
dollars
for
big
brothers
and
big
sisters.
These
will
be
statewide.
B
There
are
a
number
of
other
initiatives
that
we'll
be
funding
in
this
legislative
amendment,
there's
18
million
dollars
that
will
be
used
to
construct
and
establish
the
tennessee
entrepreneurial
science
and
technology
hub
at
ut
martin.
That
is
gonna.
It's
a
cradle
to
the
grave.
If
you
will
educational
process
where
you'll
be
able
to
go
to
this
facility,
you'll
get
can
get
a
certificate,
then
you
can
get
an
aaa
if
you
want
to
an
associate's
degree
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
move
forward
and
get
a
bachelor's
degree.
B
I
think
most
members
have
seen
the
results
of
those
mentoring
and
those
centers
very
positively,
with
what's
happened
with
new
business
growth,
small
business
growth
in
our
state,
we're
also
continuing
to
work.
You
know
the
issues
that
affect
our
state
include:
workforce
development
and
just
workforce
availability.
B
We're
working
that
with
a
number
of
ways
in
the
base
budget.
You
saw
it
in
addition
to
that.
There's
950
000
for
the
associated
builders
and
contractors
to
establish
a
pilot
program
so
that
they
can
make
sure
that
they
have.
You
know
these
are
well-paid
jobs,
well-paid
trades,
they
just
need
to
be
able
to
find
the
folks
to
fill
them,
and
this
will
help
them.
Do
that,
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
the
health
and
social
services.
Category
nothing
that
we
didn't
go
through
yesterday.
B
B
B
B
There's
other
things
in
here,
including
the
expansion
of
tennessee,
promise
scholarship,
the
addition
of
dollars
for
hope
and
money
is
to
establish
a
uniform
grading
system
that
will
make
tennessee
students
on
par
with
surrounding
states
when
their
gpas
are
looked
at
for
admissions
into
colleges.
Again,
I
think
most
of
the
other
things
have
been
discussed
yesterday.
You
have
them
on
your
list
in
front
of
you
and
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
would
just
stop
and
ask
for
questions.
E
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
For
several
years
now
I've
been
working
on
this
professional
privilege,
tax
and
and
cheerleader
hazelwood.
I
just
wanted
to
verify
that
in
the
there's
two
professions
for
doctors
under
this
portion
does
this
include
both
of
those
occupations,
and
I
got
to
be
careful
because
four
years
ago
I
said
this
word
the
incorrect
way.
There's
osteo
and
I
think,
four
years
ago
I
called
it
osteopathic
so
so
I'll
make
sure
that
I
get
that
right,
but
there's
doctors
and
there's
osteopathic,
correct
and
both
of
those
are
coming
out.
C
Thank
you
in
in
looking
at
the
and
looking
at
the
amendments
that
we
had
yesterday
in
this
and,
what's
in
here
today,
the
the
biggest
reduction
that
I
see
is
the
tennessee
sheriff's
association.
C
Can.
Can
you
talk
a
bit
about
why
that
was
removed,
enhancement
of
victim
information
and
notification
every
day
or
vine
system
year?
One
of
three.
B
Yes-
and
that
is
the
changes
that
we're
going
to
there
was
a
bill
regarding
this.
We
had
put
it
in
as
an
appropriations
amendment.
We
should
have
been
funding
the
bill,
so
the
language
will
take
care
of
that
we're
still
going
to
be
doing
the
project.
It's
just
that
it
will
be
done
via
bill
versus
an
appropriation.
D
D
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
this
does
it
deletes
section
55
item
three
which
reads
as
follows,
and
renumerating
the
remaining
items.
Accordingly,
item
number
three
is
hereby
appropriated
to
the
state
funding
board
for
interest
and
reduction
of
the
state
debt
for
debt
service,
expense
and
interest
only
proposed
bond
authorization,
amortization
of
authorized
and
unissued
construction
bonds
in
the
amount
of
55
million.
A
The
state's
contribution
to
the
construction
of
the
stadium
shall
be,
in
addition
to
contributions
by
the
metropolitan
government
of
nashville
and
davidson
county
and
of
the
national
football
league
franchise
tenant
of
the
stadium.
What
this
does
is
it
removes
that
section
and
the
reason
for
that
is.
A
I
don't
think
that
taxpayers
should
be
put
with
the
burden
by
the
way
which
this
is
just
the
interest
on
the
debt.
55
million
dollars
is
the
interest
on
the
debt
for
the
bonds,
and
I
don't
think
that
the
taxpayers
should
be
burdened
with
this
tax
debt.
I
think
it's
unfair.
It's
unfair
to
the
people
in
my
district
and
many
other
counties
that'll
never
benefit
from
this.
A
There
will
be
a
select
few
of
people
and
organizations
that
will
benefit
from
this
and
they'll
benefit
from
the
taxpayers
dollars.
So,
in
my
view,
I
think
this
is
unfair
to
taxpayers
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
vote
for
this
amendment.
G
Hey,
mr
chairman,
and
to
my
friend,
we've
served
together
many
years
and
I
understand
all
of
your
points
and
that
will
be
a
discussion
we
can
have
on
the
actual
bond
bill
and
if
the
bond
bill
were
not
to
be
successful,
then
the
debt
service
would
not
be
necessary,
but
it
simply
wouldn't
be
fiscally
prudent
to
take
out
the
debt
service
projection,
which
I
believe
is
projected
at
11
percent.
G
There's
virtually
no
way
that
if
a
bond
were
to
be
issued,
it
would
be
at
11,
but
we
put
it
at
that
level
and
we've
always
done
this
on
any
bond.
We
have
virtually
no
debt
as
a
state
I
mean.
Even
if
this
bond
were
to
be
issued,
we
would
still
be
one
of
the
lowest
state,
if
not
the
lowest
state
of
debt
in
the
nation.
That's
a
good
thing,
but
whether
or
not
we
issue
the
bond
to
something
we
will
all
debate
and
decide.
G
But
if
the
bond
is
issued,
the
debt
service
needs
to
be
reflected
in
the
budget
to
preserve
our
good,
solid
credit
rating
and
everything
else,
and
so
again,
with
all
due
respect
to
the
to
the
sponsored
amendment,
I
would
move
this
amendment
to
the
table.
D
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
agree
with
the
leader's
words
completely.
A
We
can
look
and
see
that
the
city
of
nashville
does
not
have
the
money,
and
we
wonder
why,
and
the
reasons
is
the
policies
they
put
forth
are
not
coherent
with
what
that
we
do
as
a
legislative
body
and
if
we're
going
to
be
consistent
and
be
a
state
that
stands
for
physical,
sound
policy,
and
then
we
start
adopting
these
same
policies
that
other
states
and
other
cities
do.
A
Then
that
puts
us
in
a
situation
where
that
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
be
looking
back
10
years
from
now
and
we're
going
to
be
saying
what
happened
to
us
and
people's
moving
to
tennessee,
because
we
are
successful
in
in
the
way
that
we
spend
our
money.
This
is
a
bad
way
to
spend
money
and
you're
putting
it
on
the
taxpayers
backs
to
fund
the
stadium.
A
They
make
billions
of
dollars
a
year,
and
you
want
to
take
people
that
makes
40
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
make
them
pay
for
this.
This
is
unethical,
it's
unsound
and
I
ask
leader
lambert
if
he
would
at
least
remove
his
tabling
motion
so
that
we
could
have
a
debate
about
it.
D
All
right,
representative
sexton,
of
course
the
motion
does
cut
off
all
debate.
So
at
this
point
in
time
we
will
have
to
take
a
vote
so
again.
Folks,
we
are
voting
on
the
tabling
motion,
so
a
vote
of
I
is
to
table
and
of
course,
the
vote
of
no
is
to
not
table
so
at
this
time
all
those
in
favor
favor
of
tabling
amendment
number
four,
which
is
zero
one,
seven,
six,
nine
three
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no,
no,
the
eyes
have
it
motion
is
tabled.
D
H
Thank
you
chairman.
This
amendment
would
fund
house
bill
1640,
which
would
add
rape
as
the
one
of
the
offenses,
that
a
defendant
is
not
eligible
for
probation
under
the
tennessee
crimes.
Sentencing
act
of
1989,
but
after
further
discussion
with
members
of
leadership,
there's
some
technical
corrections
that
need
to
be
made
to
the
piece
of
legislation.
D
Motion
to
withdraw.
Thank
you,
representative.
Vogels.
You
heard
the
motion
the
objection
of
the
motion.
Seeing
none
remember
withdrawn.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
six
item.
Number
six
is
going
to
be
amendment
by
representative
miller,
representative
miller.
You
have
drafting
code
017768.
Is
that
correct,
sir?.
D
I
This
is
pretty
much
explanatory
requesting
at
least
two
million
dollars
to
to
cover
for
hbcus
fiscal
university.
American
baptist
college.
D
H
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
representative
miller,
for
your
amendment.
I
will
also
applaud
you
and
your
efforts,
as
you
also
had
a
similar
appropriations
amendment
that
appropriations
committee
considered
this
year.
H
As
you
know,
the
base
budget
this
year
includes
a
quarter
of
a
billion
dollars
for
historically
black
colleges
and
universities
in
in
the
state,
and
I
know
you
and
your
I
think
representative
love
had
worked
diligently
to
try
to
get
that
additional
funding
for
those
schools,
and
so
when
we
looked
at
the
appropriations
and
we
knew
that
we
had
invested
that
those
monies
in
these
fine
institutions
here
in
our
state,
we
chose
not
to
appropriate
those
funds.
D
D
D
D
D
B
D
D
Question
has
been
called
the
objection,
calling
the
question
hearing
unseen
and
we're
now
voting
on
house
bill,
2882,
moving
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No
the
eyes
have
it
house
bill
2882
moves
to
calendar
and
rules
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
two
on
our
calendar.
It's
going
to
be
house
bill,
2883
by
cherry
lady
hazelwood.
D
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
entire
bill,
as
amended,
is
just
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
the
statutory
changes
necessary
to
implement
the
budget.
B
In
subsequent
fiscal
years,
such
employer
match
refers
to
the
previous
calculations,
so
this
is
a
one-year
bump
up
in
the
match
again
something
that
we're
able
to
do
because
of
the
budget
situation.
The
positive
budget
situation
we
find
ourselves
in,
and
it
also
exempts
from
the
sales
tax
on
retail
sales
of
food
and
food
ingredients.
Any
such
relevant
transactions
occurring
between
monday
august
1st
2022
and
wednesday
august
31st
2022.
This
is
simply
the
the
food
tax
holiday.
D
I
Mr
chairman,
could
someone
please
explain
to
me
how
the
agricultural
sales
tax
exemptions
have
been
expanded,
either
in
the
governor's
budget
or
by
an
amendment?
If
you
could
clarify
that
for
me,
I'd
appreciate
it.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
this
is
in
2882
that
we
just
passed
the
agricultural
sales
tax
code
as
it
exists
today
in
statute
is,
has
a
various
mixture
of
things
that
are
exempt
from
sales
tax
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
hodgepodge.
It's
been
tweaked
over
the
years.
You
know
with
an
item
here
and
an
item
there.
This
is
basically
an
overhaul
of
that
tax
code
and
it
is
modeled
on
what
we
do
for
manufacturers.
B
That
is,
if
for
manufacturers,
if
something
is
used
in
the
manufacturing
process
to
get
to
the
finished
product,
then
that
they
don't
pay
sales
tax
on
that
that
this
same
would
apply
for
agricultural
in
that,
if
the
farmer,
if
it's
something
that
he
is
using
to
get
his
product
grown
to
market
whatever,
then,
if
he
is
certified
with
the
department
of
revenue,
then
there
would
be
no
sales
tax
applied
to
all
those
items.
I
And
thank
you
for
the
explanation.
The
reason
I
asked
the
question
is
there
are
two
farmers
sitting
in
monroe
tennessee
that
just
asked
me
to
clarify
that,
and
I
appreciate
your
answer,
but
let
me
make
sure
I
can
condense
this.
I
Is
it
accurate
to
say
that
any
input
that
goes
into
the
production
of
agricultural
products
in
tennessee
will
be
tax
exempt
100
for
any
input
that
goes
in
the
production
of
any
final
agriculture
product
will
be
tax
exempt,
and
this
is
their
question,
and
I
think
it's
a
fair
question
is:
is
that
a
correct
conclusion?.
I
I
D
A
J
Joel
hayes
office
legal
services
chairman
this
provides
a
rather
broad
exemption,
specifically
states
that
a
tax
is
not
due
from
the
sale
at
retail.
Lease
use.
J
I
I
Answer
I
thank
you
very
much
and
I
appreciate
that
and
he
did
a
great
job
and
we
appreciate
what
you're
doing,
because
I
think
it's
a
positive
step,
but
but
I
just
want
to
finish
up
with
the
text.
I
got
from
two
of
my
neighbors
dear
john
mark
and
they're
being
a
little
bit
coy
in
this,
but
we
learned
in
2016
that
americans
appreciate
straight
talk
and
I'll.
Let
you
draw
whatever
conclusion
you
want
to
draw
from
that.
I
B
Chairman
wendell,
I
might
say
if
it
would
give
you
or
your
constituents
comfort,
I
will
tell
you
that
this
bill
was
worked
out
in
conjunction
with
farm
bureau,
who
have
worked
tirelessly
in
the
state
for
years
on
behalf
of
farmers.
So
and
again,
what
we
attempted
to
do
here
is
just
make
the
same:
make
it
a
level
playing
field
for
farmers
the
same.
You
know,
considerations
for
farmers
that
we
give
to
manufacturers,
and
that
is
our
attempt
to
do
that.
No.
I
Many
farmers,
certainly
the
cow
calf
operation-
are
adding
another
level
of
production,
whether
it's
selling
carcasses
or
finished
beef
or
whatever
the
product
is
because
tennesseans
have
pivoted
on
the
farm
from
being
the
sellers
of
wholesale
items
and
their
value,
adding.
Now
whether
it's
where
you
can
fill
in
the
blank
but
tennessee
agriculture
is
changing,
and
I
applaud
the
chairman
for
doing
this
because
it's
really
helpful.
We
do
appreciate
it
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
flippant
when
I
bring
the
message.
But
this
is
not
my
comment.
D
A
A
In
my
case,
upholstered
furniture
is
not
sales
tax
exempt.
Our
machinery
is
but
everything
else
that
we
use
in
in
terms
of
office
supplies
I'm
not
sure
about
computers,
but
copy
machines.
There's
many
many
things
that
are
not
sales
tax
exempt.
So
when
we're
comparing
it
to
manufacturing,
I
just
wonder
if
that
removes
anything
from
the
farming,
but
I'm
sure,
since
you
worked
with
farm
bureau,
that's
probably
not
the
case,
but
just
ask
legal
if
there's
anything
that
they
can
point
out
that
it
doesn't
cover.
J
Representative
sexton,
this
also,
it
specifically
excludes
by
saying
it
does
not
include
automobiles
trucks,
household
appliances
and
gasoline
or
diesel
used
in
vehicles
operated
on
the
public
highways
of
the
state.
Those
are
the
specific
exemptions
and,
of
course,
to
comply
with
all
this.
They
have
to
receive
a
certificate
from
the
commissioner
of
agriculture.
D
Representative,
six
all
right
further
discussion
again
we're
on
the
amendment
further
discussion,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
the
amendment
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
seven,
zero,
zero,
zero
to
house
bill;
two,
eight,
eight
three,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
the
bill
as
amended,
and
we
are
on
amendment
number.
Two
amendment
number
two
is
by
leader
lamberth
and
leader,
lambert.
Let's
make
sure
that
we
have
this
drafting
code
correct.
D
G
You
for
sharing
my
understanding
of
the
amendment.
It
restates
the
amendment
that
we
just
heard,
as
well
as
added
in
an
exemption
under
the
grocery
tax
for
vending
tax
for
vending
machines,
and
that
is
the
primary
change
in
the
amendment
is
that
vending
machines
would
not
be
including
the
grocery
tax
that
was
never
intended.
D
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Members
you've
heard
the
description.
Any
discussion
questions
been
called
the
objection
to
calling
the
question
saying
number
now
voting
on
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
seven,
five,
zero
five
on
to
house
bill,
two,
eight
eight
three,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No
the
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
the
bill
as
amended
chair
lady.
You
are
recognized.
D
All
right
members
you've
heard
the
discussion
any
further
discussion
on
house
bill
2883,
seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
house
bill,
2883,
moving
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No
the
eyes
have
it
house
bill
2883
moves
on
to
calderon
rules,
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
three
on
our
calendars
house
bill
2886
by
chair,
lady
hazelwood.
D
E
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
amendment
does
make
the
bill.
This
is
just
the
bond
build
we
pass
every
year.
We
always
do
this
primarily
for
the
department
of
transportation,
so
that
should
they
need
to,
they
could
get
bonds
for
highways.
We've
never
had
to
use
it
because
the
department
of
transportation,
we
fund
our
highways,
as
you
know,
as
we
go,
but
we
do
this
as
a
protection
measure.
Should
there
be
a
difficulty
in
cash
flow
or
whatever.
B
In
addition
to
that,
there
is
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Five
hundred
million
dollars
allocated
to
the
metro
government
of
nashville
and
davidson
county
bonds
that
would
be
issued
for
the
construction
of
a
dumb
sports
stadium
should
all
of
the
other
pieces
of
that
puzzle
come
together
and
it
authorizes
the
funding
board
to
issue
bond
amounts
not
to
exceed
2.5
percent
of
the
amount
specified
above
for
funding,
discounts
and
cost
of
issuance
and
cancel
spawns
authorized
to
be
issued
by
public
chapter
758
of
2020
and
again
this
is
an
authorization.
B
D
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
lady
members,
you've
heard
the
description.
Question
has
been
called
an
objection,
calling
the
question
we
do
have
objection.
Do
we
have
three
hands
that
object?
We
do
have
three
hands,
so
we're
going
to
vote
on
that
all
those
in
favor
of
calling
the
question,
please
say:
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No,
the
eyes
have
it.
Question
has
been
called
and
now
we
will
now
vote
on
the
amendment
again,
that
is
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
seven,
zero,
zero.
D
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
the
chance
to
be
able
to
speak,
as
I
stated
yesterday
in
finance
sub
and
I'm
sure
most
people
were
watching.
At
that
point,
I
have
expressed
my
concerns
about
this
bond
issue
for
the
titan
stadium.
I
still
have
the
same
concerns.
Nothing
has
changed,
there's
not
been
anything
presented
to
me.
That
shows
that
this
is
actually
a
good
deal
for
the
taxpayers
of
tennessee.
F
Our
citizens
stop
me
in
the
street
and
tell
me
this
is
not
a
good
idea.
Surely,
y'all
are
not
considering
this.
They
know
this
is
not
a
good
deal.
They
know.
This
is
not
something
that's
going
to
pan
out.
There's
too
many
ifs
here
we
have
no
assurance
that
a
team
is
even
going
to
stay
here
to
play
in
this
stadium.
We
have
no
assurance
that
the
city
of
nashville
is
going
to
come
up
with
their
portion
of
the
funds
to
take
care
of
their
part
of
the
puzzle.
As
was
talked
about
yesterday.
F
There's
no
assurance
that
we're
going
to
have
venues
come
to
this
state
and
bring
their
fans
and
their
their
money
to
this
state,
and
another
thing
that
our
my
citizens
are
noticing
is
that
hotel,
motel
taxes
as
a
result
of
this
whole
big
plan
are
going
to
go
up
here
in
nashville
again
as
as
high
as
it
already
is,
and
the
city
of
nashville
will
not
be
paying
for
that.
F
F
But
it's
not
it's
not
a
good
deal
for
anybody
to
invest
in
and
that's
why
they're
having
to
come
to
the
taxpayers
and
to
get
us
to
foot
the
bill
and
I'm
not
for
it,
and
I
would
hope
that
my
colleagues
would
see
the
wisdom
in
voting
against
this
bill
and,
let's
not
issue
the
bonds
or
even
authorize
issuing
the
bonds
for
this
venture.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank.
H
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point,
but
as
leader
camper
said
earlier
today
you
know
not
everybody
serves
in
the
subcommittee,
but
I
had
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
chair,
lady
about
how
we
fund
roads
in
tennessee,
as
most
of
you
know
that
we
pay
for
our
roads
as
we
go,
but
every
year
this
committee
passes
a
bond
bill
in
order
for
us
to
ensure
that
we're
paving
our
are
building
new
roads
across
the
state
and
even
though
we
issue
those
authorize
those
bonds,
we
simply
don't
issue
those
bonds,
and
so
this
bill
would
allow
for
the
an
authorization
of
those
bonds.
H
But
that
doesn't
mean
those
bonds
will
be
utilized,
and
so
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
know
that
that
that
just
because
we
authorize
the
bonds,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
actually
going
to
issue
those.
So
thank
you
chairman.
Thank.
C
Thank
you
chairman.
One
quick
question
regarding
the
bonds
and
my
concern
with
the
plan
with
the
titans
stadium
is
that,
of
course,
the
existing
bonds
that
funded
the
existing
stadium
is
still
outstanding.
There's
no
way
to
prepay
those,
because
there's
repayment
abilities,
etc
people,
but
by
bonds
they
buy
them
for
a
certain
term.
They
want
the
interest
etc
for
that
fixed
income
that
they
buy
the
bonds
for
so
my
question
is:
if,
if
this
passes,
is
there
any
possible
way?
C
B
Not
sure
I
can
answer
the
question,
but
I
in
terms
of
can
we
stipulate
in
bonds
that
we
are
first
money
in
first
burning
out
or
prepaid,
but
what
we
can
do
is
these.
This
is
an
authorization
for
the
bonds
up
to
a
maximum
amount.
There's
still
a
lot
of
conversation
to
be
had.
Should
this
deal
go
forward.
B
I
doubt
very
seriously
that
the
titans
are
going
to
be
ready
for
these
bonds
to
be
issued
before
we're
back
here
next
year.
We
can
talk
about
whether
we
want
to
do
some
or
all
of
this
in
cash
if
we
still
have
the
cash
available,
we
can
drill
down
onto
into
that.
At
that
point
because-
and
I
would
point
out-
there
were
in
some
comments
earlier-
concerns
about
our
debt
and
the
fact
that
we
are
the
lowest
capital
per
capita
debt
in
the
country.
B
In
speaking
with
our
constitutional
officers,
we
are
sure
that,
even
if
we
issue
these
bonds
at
the
interest
rate
that
we're
proposing,
which
is-
as
I
believe,
chairman
williams
mentioned
earlier-
it's
highly
unlikely
that
we
would
have
to
pay
11
on
a
bond.
But
even
if
we
did
that
we
would
still
be
the
lowest
per
capita
tax
state
in
the
country.
That's
not
going
to
change
that
for
one
for
many
reasons,
one
because
we
are
paying
off
debt.
B
C
Representative
gary,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
response
representative
sparks.
I
just
wanted
to
for
the
record.
You
know
I'm
proud
of
the
state
proud
of
our
governor.
I
think
he's
a
great
guy
and
respect
what
he's
doing,
but
I
have
some
concerns.
Just
like
representing
sexton
garrett,
representing
todd.
You
know
I
live
right
outside
of
metro
nashville.
C
C
I
don't
see
how
metro
is
going
to
continue
on
they're.
Just
they
just
purchase
hickor
hollow
mall.
I
don't
see
how
they're
going
to
continue
and
then
how
much
stake
do
they
got
in
this
game?
You
know
always
like
proverbs,
it
says,
there's
wisdom
and
the
multitude
of
counselors.
So
I
like
to
listen
to
those
counselors
one
counselor
I
did
listen
to
was
interrupting.
C
Going
to
quote
an
economist,
I
think
that's
very
important
when
you're
talking
about
half
billion
dollars
with
the
bonds,
it's
economist,
vanderbilt
university,
professor
john
sigmund,
pointed
out
building
a
new
building.
A
new
is
almost
inevitable
in
loss
for
the
city,
because
the
entire
cost
that
new
stadium
is
being
outweighed
by
the
incremental
benefits
of
having
that
new
stadium
versus
the
old
stadium
and
most
of
those
benefits
that
come
from
a
new
stadium
actually
created
by
the
old
stadium.
So
that's
some
words
of
wisdom
from
an
economist
at
vanderbilt.
Thank
you.
D
D
D
B
D
All
right,
thank
you
for
this
description
of
house
bill
2884
any
discussion.
Seeing
none
we're
now
voting
on
house
bill,
2884,
moving
on
to
calendar
and
rules,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed.
No
the
eyes
have
it
house
bill;
2884
moves
to
calendar
and
rules
all
right
item
five
on
our
calendars
house,
bill
2885
by
chair,
lady
hazelwood.
We
have
motion.
Second,
we
have
a
motion.
Second,
charlie
hazelwood.
You
are
recognized.
B
This
is
similar
to
the
bill
that
we
just
passed
in
that
it
authorizes
the
index
of
appropriations
for
it
regards
this
fiscal
year.
20
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
I'm
sorry
2022
2023,
and
it
would
authorize
the
index
of
appropriations
from
state
tax
revenues
to
exceed
the
index
of
estimated
growth
by
0.5.
D
D
G
B
Thank
you,
members
for
your
indulgence,
as
we
make
sure
that
we're
operating
properly
here
at
this
point
with
no
other
business
to
come
before
the
committee.
At
this
time
we
will
recess
until
2
p.m.
Finance
is
recessed
until
2
pm
this
afternoon.
Thank
you.