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House Finance, Ways & Means Committee- March 15, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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A
A
B
A
Before
I
have
one,
and
is
he
here?
Oh
there
we
have
a
new
finance
member
today,
mr
jason
hodges,
who
was
assigned
by
the
speaker
to
this
august
committee.
We're
so
very
sorry
that
you
have
missed
the
bulk
of
the
budget
hearings.
So
you
don't
have
the
full
experience
of
the
committee,
but
we'll
try
our
best
to
give
you
as
much
of
the
full
experience
as
we
can
throughout
the
remainder
of
the
session.
A
C
A
Enough,
we
do
have
business
to
attend
to
today
quite
a
bit.
Actually,
we
have
10
bills
on
our
calendar
and
then
we
have
some
hearings.
After
so,
in
respect
of
everybody's
time,
we
will
get
underway
and
first
we're
going
to
take
up
our
calendar.
The
first
item
on
our
calendar
is
house
bill.
2660.,
it's
by
speaker,
sexton
and
chairman
lafferty,
chairman
lafferty,
is
with
us
today
to
present
the
bill.
D
D
A
E
A
I
see
no
other
questions.
We
are
voting
on
house
bill
2660
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
house
bill.
2660
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
Item
number
two
on
our
calendar
house
bill
2550.
Also
by
chairman
lafferty.
We
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
chairman,
lafferty
you're,
recognized
on
your
bill.
D
A
A
D
A
D
A
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
This
is
we're
trying
to
make
it
easier
for
local
individuals,
whether
they're
rural
city,
suburban,
whatever
the
opportunity
to
try
and
make
a
little
extra
money
by
bringing
the
next
little
debbie
cake
to
market
little
debbie's.
The
best
best
case
scenario,
most
often
we're,
probably
just
looking
to
help
people
fill
budgets,
fill
holes
in
their
in
their
home
budget.
The
idea
here
is
more
money
will
go
to
local
producers.
D
This
leads
someone
into
something:
that's
big
that
employs
tens
of
thousands
of
people
along
the
way,
though
we
are
bringing
food
products
to
the
market
from
kitchens.
Where
now
you
can
do
this
from
your
home
kitchen,
you
don't
have
to
go
and
find
a
licensed
vendor
a
licensed
shop,
a
commercial
kitchen
to
do
this,
you'll
be
able
to
do
this
from
your
home
without
incurring
those
costs
and
hopefully
keep
those
extra
extra
dollars
in
your
pocket.
E
A
Chairman,
you
and
I
have
had
a
great
deal
of
discussion
about
this
bill,
both
on
and
offline,
and
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
it.
One
of
the
issues
I
believe
when
we
discussed
it
perhaps
in
sub
you
mentioned
that
the
advantage-
and
I
you
know,
I'm
all
about
people
having
an
opportunity
to
make
extra
income
and
use
their
talents
in
ways
that
might
help
them
do
that.
A
But
this
to
me
is
a
health
and
safety
issue,
and-
and
that's
where
my
concerns
come
from-
I
believe
you
had
mentioned
in
your
testimony
in
sub
that
people
would
be
aware
of
the
who
produced
the
product
if
there's
an
issue
because
they'd
be
selling
it
in
their
community.
But
then,
as
I
understand
it,
there's
no
restriction
on
shipping
this
across
the
state
or
this
bill
really
does
not
have
any
kind
of
restrictions
about
transport
or
the
geography
in
which
these
products
can
be
sold.
Is
that
correct
that.
D
A
But
from
memphis
to
mountain
city,
memphis
to
mountain
city-
and
you
know
again
when
you're
talking
about
things
in
home
kitchens
and
I
understand
that
meat
products
are
eliminated
just
because
of
concerns
about
spoilage.
But
you
know,
I
hope
that
my
kitchen
is
clean
and
that
if
I
invited
you
all
to
dinner,
you
wouldn't
be
afraid
to
come,
but
at
the
same
time
nobody's
checking
my
kitchen
to
be
sure
that
it
is
clean
enough
to
to
feed
other
people.
You
know
my
family
and
I
can
eat
there
at
our
own
risk.
A
I
suppose,
but
again
I
just
have
some
concerns
about
the
health
and
safety
and
the
fact
that
there's
there's
no
upper
limits
on
how
long,
how
much
business
you
can
do
from
your
home
kitchen
and
there
is
just
no
opportunity
for
any
kind
of
inspection.
So
for
that
reason
I'll
be
voting
against
your
bill.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
chairman
lafferty.
Can
you
describe
what
will
be
on
the
packaging
kind
of
in
in
line
with
cheerleading
hazelwood's
comments?
How
what
what?
How
will
people
know?
How
will
consumers
know
that
this
has
been
produced
in
a
kitchen
that
you
know
whatever
those
stipulations
are
around
that?
What
what
does
the
packaging
look
like
on
these,
because
I
I
do
support
the
bill
and
if
the
packaging
provides
an
awareness
to
those
who
are
buying
it,
then
it'll
be
up
to
them
to
make
that
decision.
D
I
sure
can
so
it
is
required
to
be
extensive
extensively
thoroughly.
Whatever
the
right
word
is
labeled,
the
following
information
must
be
provided
the
name
the
home
address
and
the
phone
number
of
the
producer
of
the
item,
the
common
or
usual
name
of
the
homemade
item.
This
is
all
to
be
on
the
disclosure
on
the
packaging,
the
ingredients
of
the
food
item
in
descending
order
of
prominence.
So
if
it's
got
a
lot
of
a
then
it
would
go
to
whatever
it
is
amount
of
b
down
the
list.
D
The
statement
will
be
on
the
packaging.
Also
that
says
this
product
was
produced
at
a
private
residence
that
is
exempt
from
state
licensing
and
inspection.
This
product
may
contain
allergens,
that's
the
kind
of
things
that
are
going
to
be
on
the
packaging
for
this
particular
product
and
kind
of
what
I
envision
with
this
nobody's,
going
to
start
baking
things
in
their
kitchen
and
selling
it
to
total
strangers
online.
What
I
envision
is
a
small
mom-and-pop
producer.
D
That's
got
a
gift
that
their
friends
and
neighbors
know
about,
and
you
kind
of
start
there
and
expand
out
from
that
with
the
hope
that
you
hit
a
point
where
you
outgrow
your
kitchen,
because
you
make
so
much
money
or
you
get
to
the
point
where
you
do
need
to
go
and
find
that
commercial
kitchen
and
start
hiring
those
services.
Again,
I'm
sorry
I'm
getting
off
on
a
on
a
tangent,
but
I
hope
I
answered
your
question
about
the
packaging.
A
D
C
C
They
wanted
to
expand,
they
could
not
expand
because
they
were
not
producing
those
cookies
in
a
licensed
commercial
kitchen.
Therefore,
they
could
not
sell
them
at
the
grocery
store
or
at
the
convenience
store
down
the
street.
So
what
this
bill
would
do
in
that
specific
situation,
if
you
may
answer,
would
allow
that
individual
to
do
it,
regardless
of
shelby,
county
health
department
rules
or
any
local,
any
local
rules
in.
D
In
their
personal
kitchen,
if
they've
reached
that
level
of
success
where
they
are
that
high-
yes,
they,
if
I
guess,
if
they've,
got
the
physical
capacity,
then
yes,
they
could
continue
to
do
so.
And
I
wouldn't
think
that
they
would
have
gotten
that
successful.
Had
they
made
customers
sick
along
the
way
or
turned
out
a
product
that
wasn't
worth
having.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
the
sponsor
we
talked
about
this
several
times
and
I
appreciate
the
the
premise
of
the
bill.
I
I
just
thought
of
another
kind
of
question
or
caveat.
I
had
and-
and
please
take
this
as
all
constructive
criticism,
but
there's
an
organization
just
south
and
I
believe
it's
a
mindanight,
I'm
thinking
just
south
of
hollow
wall-
that
I
stop
sometimes
local
kitchen
attached
to
a
residence.
When
I
go
in
the
door,
I
can
actually
see
the
kitchen.
I
can
smell
the
kitchen.
G
I
can
see
the
food,
so
it's
viewable
for
me
to
to
buy
products
there,
something
I'm
a
little
worried
with
your
legislation
and-
and
I
work
in
a
lot
of
restaurants,
a
lot
of
restaurants.
We
work
on
very
visual
kitchens.
I
mean
in
the
industry
we
found
a
long
time
ago.
If
people
can
see
in
the
kitchen,
they
feel
more
comfortable
to
buy
your
product.
G
I'm
very
concerned
in
the
fact
that
we
could
actually
be
packaging
and
then
adding
another
layer
of
distribution
to
an
unregulated
product.
Just
some
concerns
I
have
I.
I
appreciate
the
intent
of
the
legislation,
but
I
really
wish
there
was
either
some
maximum
a
point
at
which
you
know
this
applies
for
under
4
800,
maybe
where
the
reversion
is
required
for
revenue
or
or
some
provision,
that
we
allow
visibility
to
the
kitchen
or-
and
I
guess
the
next
question
I
actually
have-
is:
what
are
we
doing
for
bad
performers
say?
G
For
instance,
we
have
an
outbreak,
and
people
do
get
sick.
Once
they're
sighted
in
the
department
of
health
or
somebody
rushes
in
to
intervene,
can
they
still
package
and
ship
the
following
week
or
what
callback
provision
do
we
have
of
of
once?
We
enable
this
labeling
and
distribution
of
goods.
What
what
claw
prac
provision
is
there
in
this
legislation?
Thank
you
sponsor.
D
I
thank
you
for
the
question
trying
to
address
the
first
part.
The
market,
I
would
hope,
would
act
as
that
guard
rail
again,
if
you're
turning
out
a
product
that
nobody
wants
to
buy
you're,
not
getting
anybody
sick.
Anybody
that
can
read
the
label
can
decide
for
themselves
whether
or
not.
This
is
something
that
I
want
to
pick
up
again
back
to
the
envisioning.
D
This
is
going
to
start
small
anybody,
that's
starting
up
new
for
this.
This
is
going
to
start
small.
By
necessity.
They
don't
have
a
market.
They
can't
just
turn
out.
I
would
assume
that
they
couldn't
just
turn
out
a
half
a
ton
of
cookies
and
expect
to
sell
them.
They
would
have
put
in
all
that
money
and
not
know
if
they've
got
a
market
for
it.
That
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
business
sense
as
far
as
clawbacks.
G
D
D
H
D
The
I
might,
I
might
add,
that
you
could
have
that
issue
at
your
favorite
restaurant.
You
could
have
a
bad
actor
in
the
kitchen
that
is
up
to
no
good
out
of
the
blue
as
far
as
the
believe
it
or
not,
for
100
plus
years
in
this
country
we
didn't
have
regulations,
and
yet
we've
come
this
far,
and
we've
almost
got
to
the
point
in
this
country
where
we
have
stop.
Not
almost.
We
are
at
the
point
in
this
country
where
regulations
stifle
innovation.
D
D
Do
and-
and
I
suspect
there
are
already
a
number
of
kitchens
operating
around
this
state
where
people
are
selling
food-
that
we
don't
know
anything
about,
and
you'll
probably
be
right
about
that,
and
that
brings
me
back
to
the
market.
If
I
am
making
this
to
put
some
extra
money
in
my
family's
household
budget,
it
is
in
my
best
interest.
It
is
self-serving
of
me
to
provide
a
product
that
is
clean.
That
is
safe.
That
is
ready
for
consumption.
D
If
I
am
the
grocer
or
the
market
in
the
neighborhood,
I
don't
want
to
sell
anything
to
my
customers.
That's
going
to
hurt
them
because
I
want
them
to
continue
coming
to
my
market,
so
I'm
going
to
make
sure
that
whoever's
making
that
is
doing
a
good
job
and
serving
a
good
product
when
it
branches
out
to
folks
across
the
state.
D
D
D
I'm
not
the
the
the
stories
that
I've
heard
are
from
people
that
have
to
they're
making
small
batches
but
they're
doing
it
by
the
law.
They're
not
doing
it
outside
the
law.
They
are
going
and
paying
for
space
someplace
where
they
can
use
a
commercial
kitchen
one.
In
my
neck
of
the
woods
we
got
a
little
butler
and
bailey
market
there's
a
couple
that
goes
back
there
and
makes
their
jellies.
They
have
to
load
up
the
vehicle
they
have
to
go
to
the
market.
D
They
have
to
pay
for
their
time
in
there
then
they've
got
to
put
it
back
in
the
car
and
they've
got
to
go
back
again.
All
of
that
cost,
as
everybody
in
here
knows,
ends
up
to
the
consumer.
If
they
could
cut
that
out,
keep
charging
what
they've
got.
They
just
got
a
nice
pay
raise,
and
maybe
they
can
invest
that
money
into
something
and
help
grow
that
business
even
further.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady
committee.
I
just
want
to
bring
us
around
that.
I
I
feel
like
we're
way
overthinking
this
and
the
truth
is
every
one
of
you
who
are
against
it.
If
we
went
to
your
communities,
we
would
find
that
at
your
local
farmers
market
that
this
is
abundantly
happening
every
day
and
in
east
tennessee,
where
I'm
from
god's
country.
We
have
harvest
street
festivals
and
we
go
on
purpose
to
buy
all
the
wonderful
baked
goods
and
jellies
and
jams
all
kind
of
stuff.
On
purpose.
For
that
I
just
feel
like
we're
way.
C
Overthinking
this
and
and
I'll
leave
you
one.
One
final
thought:
I've
been
privileged
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
western
and
northern
africa.
I've
never
had
anybody
have
to
tell
me
what
to
eat
and
what
not
to
eat.
While
I'm
in
western
northern
africa
there's
things,
that'll
kill
a
person
like
me.
If
you're,
not
careful
this
conversation,
I
feel
like
we're
taking
out
just
the
average
person's
common
sense.
If
you
see
cat
hair
in
the
cookie
you're
not
gonna,
buy
it
guys
we're
we're
way.
Overthinking.
C
A
A
D
A
C
A
A
J
A
J
J
J
The
treasurer
because
of
statute
of
limitations
must
get
the
information
in
a
timely
fashion
in
order
to
settle
the
claims,
if
it,
if
it
isn't
given
in
a
timely
manner,
then
the
claim
is
denied.
Some
of
you
are.
I
know
familiar
with
that,
and
this
is
an
attempt
to
streamline
the
situation,
an
example
of
why
we
need
to
address
this.
J
J
A
B
Thank
you,
lady
chairman.
I'm
not
going
to
tease
about
food,
I'm
going
straight
for
the
bill.
This
is
the
tennessee
foster's
hope.
The
first
there's
two
parts
of
it.
The
first
part
of
the
bill
will
expand
eligibility
for
extension
of
foster
care
services,
a
wraparound
service
program
for
young
adults
still
in
dcs
custody.
When
they
turn
18.,
the
eligibility
will
be
expanded
to
include
full-time
employment
and
non-credit
bearing
vocational
training
programs.
Current
eligibility
is
limited
to
the
enrollment
in
school
or
a
work
readiness
program.
B
This
expect
expansion
is
expected
to
serve
over
300
additional
youth
part.
Two
of
this
bill
will
allow
dcs
to
pay
a
per
diem
to
relative
caregivers.
Instead
of
placing
a
child
in
full
custody,
dcs
does
not
currently
reimburse
caregivers
who
assume
custody
of
a
child.
They
are
related
to
this
prevents
many
relative
caregivers
from
accepting
this
responsibility
resulted
in
the
child
going
into
full
state
custody
at
the
pooled
daily
foster
care
rate.
B
Under
this
proposal,
dcs
would
continue
would
reimburse
relative
caregivers
at
50
percent
of
the
daily
foster
care
board
rate
for
the
level
of
care
assigned
to
the
child
to
be
eligible.
Relative
caregivers
would
have
to
satisfy
screening
and
training
requirements
set
out
by
dcs
to
ensure
the
child
safety.
D
Thank
you
chairman
to
the
sponsor
one.
Thank
you
for
carrying
this
bill,
and-
and
I
I
don't
say
this
because
of
the
top
two
names
on
the
the
actual
bill,
but
chairman
this
is
something
you've
talked
about
for
years.
I
mean
this
bill
actually
helps
us
as
a
state
to
keep
children
with
their
biological
families,
where
that's
appropriate
and
give
them
a
little
help.
I
mean
we,
we
have
for
a
long
time,
incentivized
and
helped
strangers
to
come
in
and
help
in
times
of
need
for
children.
That.
D
C
B
A
proven
fact
that
especially
older
children,
if
they're
not
with
their
family
members,
they
move
from
home
to
home
and
it
they
they
start
failing
in
school,
and
then
they
get
into
trouble.
So
we're
hoping
that
this
will
help
solve
a
lot
of
that
problem
and
keep
these
these
children
in
in
with
their
families.
A
H
B
Actually,
the
300
would
stay
in
the
program
right
now
they
have
to
go
to
school.
You
know
to
college,
but
this.
If
they
want
to
go
to
work,
then
they
can
go
to
work,
but
this
will
still
help
them
have
some
of
the
services
to
wrap
around
them
to
help
them.
We
all
know
that
18
year
olds,
a
lot
of
them
are
not
ready.
I
had
a
daughter
that
should
have
been
my
mother.
She
was
born
like
an
adult,
but
not
the
rest
of
them.
So
much
so
you.
H
A
All
right
with
accolades
for
the
sponsor,
I
think
we
know
how
this
vote
will
go,
but
we
need
to
take
the
vote
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you,
lady
chair
and
chair
and
members
house,
bill
2145
goes
on
to
calendar
and
rules.
I'm
number
seven
house
bill
2179
by
chairman
moon,
chairman
boone.
You
have
a
motion.
You
have
a
second,
you
are
recognized.
Thank.
C
You,
madam
chair
lady
house,
bill
2179,
allows
tema
to
designate
multiple
and
alternate
emergency
service
coordinators.
Additionally,
the
bill
will
give
team
a
much
needed
authority
to
enforce
the
mandatory
training
for
these
coordinators.
The
fiscal
note
is
75
600.
Commissioner
ely
has
provided
the
funding
letter
from
the
administration
for
the
increase
in
state
expenditures.
A
A
C
Thank
you,
chairman
of
committee.
This
bill
contains
two
interstate
compacts
for
health
care
professionals.
One
is
for
occupational
therapists.
The
other
is
for
the
audio
audiologist
and
speech
language
pathologist.
It's
similar.
These
compacts
are
similar
to
other
compacts.
We
have
for
health
professionals.
F
A
C
F
F
C
F
A
G
A
G
A
C
A
A
A
Question
has
been
called
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed
those
who
would
like
to
be
recorded
as
a
no,
please
see
the
clerk
the
eyes
do.
Have
it
house
bill
2614
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules
that
completes
our
regular
calendar
for
today
we're
going
to
continue
on
now
with
budget
hearings.
First
up
we'll
be
hearing
from
the
department
of
commerce
and
insurance.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
you've
sat
through
our
scintillating
deliberations.
A
K
K
K
Not
touching
that
I
do
have
with
me
most
of
the
commerce
insurance
leadership
team.
Our
assistant
commissioners,
are
in
the
audience.
I
know
that
most
of
them
are
well
known
to
y'all.
I
will
point
out:
I've
got
up
here
at
the
front
with
me
assistant,
commissioner,
paul
hartberger
deputy
commissioner
jennifer
pegg
and
then
on
my
other
side,
deputy
commissioner
toby
compton.
So
again,
thanks
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
our
budget.
K
K
Additionally,
the
department
is
responsible
for
the
fire
service
and
codes
enforcement
academy,
firefighter
commission,
tennessee
law
enforcement,
training,
academy,
peace
officers,
standards,
training,
commission,
the
division
of
tin
care
oversight
and
the
administratively
attached
tennessee
emergency
communications
board.
So
again,
our
short
presentation
will
focus
primarily
on
the
increases
to
our
budget
and,
of
course,
at
the
end,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
K
All
right,
turning
to
our
first
slide.
As
you
are
aware,
over
the
last
several
years,
the
governor
and
the
general
assembly
have
made
impactful
investments
in
tennessee's,
firefighters,
both
career
and
volunteer.
Tennessee
has
over
650
fire
departments
and
over
500
of
those
are
volunteer
departments
only
about
50
departments
are
staffed
solely
by
career
firefighters.
So
you
can
tell
the
importance
of
volunteer
firefighters
in
the
volunteer
state
and,
as
you
can
see
from
this
slide,
the
governor
is
proposing
making
seven
additional
investments
to
support
the
tennessee
fire
service.
K
The
first
two
are
the
tennessee
fire
and
codes
academy
located
in
beautiful
bellbuckle
tennessee.
The
next
three
will
provide
staff
positions
to
our
efforts
to
support
local
departments
and
the
final
two
are
increases
to
the
educational
incentive,
pay
programs
for
both
career
and
volunteer
firefighters.
K
Turn
into
our
next
slide.
Moving
to
our
efforts
to
support
tennessee
law
enforcement,
governor
lee's,
bold
responsible
proposals
are
truly
transformational
and
they
will
help
grow,
protect
and
train
the
next
generation
of
tennessee
law
enforcement
officers.
The
governor's
proposal
establishes
a
comprehensive
law
enforcement,
hiring
training
and
recruitment
program
to
expand
our
police
officer
pipeline
and
meet
financial
constraints
head-on,
both
for
large
both
for
local
agencies
and
for
law
enforcement
officers
themselves.
K
So
first,
the
governor
is
proposing
a
non-recurring
appropriation
of
30
million
to
establish
law
enforcement
officer,
recruitment
bonuses,
nine
and
next
the
governor
is
proposing
a
non-recurring
appropriation
of
24
million
to
our
tennessee
law
enforcement
training
academy
to
help
defray
the
local
cost
of
sending
officers
to
basic
police
school.
This
program
is
designed
to
make
it
more
economical
for
local
agencies
to
recruit
and
hire
new
officers.
K
K
Two
final
cost
increases
I'd
like
to
mention,
as
you
can
see,
we're
asking
for
one
additional
position
for
the
securities
division
to
help
keep
up
with
growth
in
the
industry,
as
well
as
disbursement
from
the
board
of
licensing
contractors
reserve
fund
for
the
go,
build
tennessee
program,
which
I
think
I'd
be
remiss.
If
I
didn't
note
came
from
the
committee's
own
representative
williams,
who
appears
to
be
engaged,
and
I
apologize-
I
caught
you
when
you
weren't
prepared
my
apologies
all
right.
K
Turning
to
our
last
slide,
I'd
like
to
show
you
a
picture
of
the
department's
overall
budget,
the
governor
is
proposing
a
base
budget
request
of
just
over
327
million
dollars
for
the
department,
which
is
an
increase
from
last
year's
request
of
260
million
dollars.
As
you've
heard.
Most
of
this
increase
is
directly
related
to
the
non-recurring
programs
to
support
the
lives
and
safety
of
all
tennesseans,
their
investments
in
the
fire
service
and
law
enforcement,
and,
at
this
point
I'll
conclude
the
hopefully
very
brief
presentation
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
A
We
do
appreciate
your
very
brief
presentation.
Your
brevity
has
been
mentioned
and
noted
several
times
and
thank
you
so
much
for
adhering
to
that,
because
we
do,
I
think,
have
a
number
of
questions
and
we
want
to
give
members
an
opportunity
to
to
ask
those
and
we
do
have
access
members
to
the
questions
that
were
sent
to
the
department.
Hopefully,
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
over
those
as
well
as
now,
you've
seen
their
slides
for
the
presentation
here
today.
First
on
my
list
is
chairman:
zachary.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
good
afternoon
good
to
see
you
and
your
team
related
to
the
focus
on
hiring
law
enforcement.
The
governor's
commitment
to
that
there's,
1.5
million
related
to
the
portal
in
the
budget.
Can
you
speak
to
any
ongoing
maintenance
or
cost,
and
will
law
enforcement
have
to
pay
any
kind
of
fee
to
participate
in
that.
K
So
great
question
and
there
will
not
be
a
fee
for
law
enforcement
to
be
able
to
use
it
as
far
as
the
ongoing
recurring
costs,
I'm
unaware
of
any.
So
I
will
ask
assistant
commissioner
heartburger
to
weigh
into
it,
but
to
give
a
little
more
flavor.
This
is
related
to
it
will
be
modeled
after
the
jobs4tn
portal,
which
we
are
aware,
has
been
very
successful
for
labor
and
trying
to
locate
talent
throughout
the
state.
K
C
Paul
hartberger
assistant,
commissioner,
with
the
department
as
introduced.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
The
recurring
cost
for
this,
because
the
software
is
primarily
written
in
model
after
software
that
already
exists.
There's
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
software
maintenance
costs
directly
associated
with
it
will
be
minimal,
but
there
will
be
the
hosting
service
which
is
roughly
600
a
month.
It
would
be
an
ongoing
recurring
cost
associated
with
it.
F
K
C
You,
madam
chair,
and
I
want
to
focus
on
the
volunteer
firefighter
stipends
that
were
created
in
the
budget.
We
included
3.8
million
in
recurring
funding
for
your
department
to
issue
the
600
stipends
for
certain
volunteer
firefighters
in
tennessee
and
when
they
complete
their
annual
in-service
training.
Can
you
provide
us
an
update
on
that
initiative
and
also
do
you
know
how
many
stop-ins
were
issued.
K
Last
year
absolutely
so,
I
will
ask
deputy
commissioner
peck
to
give
a
little
bit
more
information,
but
I
will
say
we
are
really
happy
about
this
effort.
Thankful
for
partners
in
the
general
assembly.
We
have
are
in
process
of
going
to
all
counties
to
visit,
volunteer
fire
departments
and
make
sure
that
the
volunteer
firefighters
know
about
this
opportunity.
K
As
a
reminder,
the
effort
here
is
to
continue
to
professionalize
the
volunteer
fire
service,
not
only
so
that
they
are
better
protected,
but
also
so
that
they're
better,
protecting
the
lives
and
property
of
the
citizens
that
they
serve.
So
at
this
point,
if
it's
okay,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
deputy
commissioner
peck
to
give
a
little
bit
more
information
response
of
your
question.
B
Thank
you,
jennifer
peck,
chief
of
staff
and
ceo
department
of
commerce
insurance.
Thank
you
for
the
question
this
is,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
really
proud
of,
and
we
are
so
thankful
to
you
all
for
passing
this
historic
legislation
so
that
these
volunteer
firefighters
do
have
access
to
the
600
each
year.
So
they
just
closed
march
1st,
and
so
we
haven't
tallied
all
of
it,
but
we
are
expecting
about
6,
400
or
so
that
are
going
to
take
part
in
that
which
is
an
incredible
amount.
And
so
that's
why?
B
Because
we
are
getting
the
word
out
because
again,
as
commissioner
noted,
we're
going
to
all
95
counties
to
speak
with
volunteer
fire
departments
will
be
I'll.
Have
to
ask
my
assistant,
commissioner,
where
we'll
be
in
on
friday,
but
we're
going
to
get
the
word
out
more.
So
we're
asking
for
an
increase,
because
we
anticipate
that
more
of
our
volunteer.
Firefighters
are
going
to
take
part
in
this.
A
A
B
Sure,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
So
we
have
about
11
300
volunteer
firefighters
in
the
state
which
is
comprises
58
percent
of
the
firefighters
and
just
as
a
side
note,
75
of
the
departments
are
volunteer
fire
departments,
and
so
I
believe
I'd
have
to
check
with
tony
grant
or
assistant.
Commissioner
gary
farley,
I
think
the
last
number
I
heard
is
that
we
have
already
gotten
about
a
quarter
of
those
in
as
taking
advantage
of
the
eip
and
then
again
I
think
we're
going
to
continue
to
get
that.
C
The
questions
that
I
have
are
concerning
the
recruitment
and
the
monies
that
we're
going
to
be
using
for
that
for
law
enforcement.
The
governor's
proposal
is
to
include
30
million
dollars
from
non-recurring
to
provide
grants
for
the
law
enforcement
agencies,
to
support
bonuses
for
these
new
hires
and
to
address
the
current
law
enforcement
officer
shortage.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
we
are
really
excited
about
this
money
to
help
get
more
law
enforcement
officers
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
To
repeat
the
analogy
that
I
used
over
talking
with
the
senate,
we're
talking
about
growing
the
size
of
the
pie,
not
just
shuffling
around
the
slices.
So
what
we
see
is,
and
actually,
if
I
may
back
up
a
little
bit
because
you
asked
how
it
will
work.
K
That
said,
we
would
also,
while
we
want
to
see
law
enforcement
officers
from
outside
the
state
coming
into
tennessee.
We'd
also
like
to
see
folks
who
are
currently
not
involved
in
law
enforcement
in
tennessee
get
into
the
profession,
so
we
don't
want
to
exclude
tennesseans
from
this
bonus
also,
but
we
don't
want
to
poach
from
one
department
to
another.
K
So
what
we
would
see
is
using
this
bonus
also
as
a
way
to
bring
people
into
the
profession
as
a
stack
on
on
top
of
some
of
the
other
bonuses
that
already
exist
for
them,
so
that
at
the
high
level,
that's
what
we're
hoping
to
do.
We
will
have
a
lot
of
work
to
make
sure
that
we
come
up
with
a
process,
that's
going
to
work
best
for
those
for
whom
it
will
apply.
K
K
We
hope
to
come
up
with
a
formula
that
will
make
this
as
impactful
as
possible
and
give
us
the
best
bang
for
the
buck
to
allow
it
to
be
spread
out
over
many
years
in
order
to
provide
a
lasting
benefit
to
law
enforcement
departments
across
the
state.
So
again,
I
acknowledge
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
but
we
have
good
relationships
with
those
stakeholders.
C
I
would
imagine
that
unless
it's
a
trained
officer,
that's
coming
from
out
of
state,
then
you're,
of
course,
robbing
for
kentucky
and
alabama
which
I'm
okay
with
that,
but
otherwise
inside
the
state,
you're
you're
looking
at
recruits
or
those
that
are
in
training
already
is.
Am
I
thinking
right
on
that.
K
So
we
would
envision
that
this
would
be
primarily
bringing
in
folks
from
out
of
state
y'all
will
recall
in
the
governor's
state
of
the
state
where
he
introduced
the
officers
who
had
moved
from
who
were
seeking
the
sweet,
free
air
of
tennessee
and
had
moved
down
here
and-
and
I
would
envision
that
would
be
most
of
the
people
who
would
be
taking
advantage
of
this.
But
one
of
the
in
the
early
preliminary
conversations
we've
had
with
stakeholders.
K
They
were
keen
to
not
see
tennesseans
excluded
from
these
dollars,
and
so
that
was
responsive
to
what
we
were
hearing
from
our
stakeholders
was
why
we
were
contemplating
this
other
component
to
it
about
trying
to
again
grow
the
size
of
the
pie,
not
just
reallocating
slices
and
see
poaching
from
one
department
to
another.
But
to
your
point,
some
bringing
in
someone
who
is
well
trained
has
its
advantages,
but
we
also
have
heard
from
chiefs,
who
would
prefer
to
see
someone
come
in
and
they
get
fully
molded
under
their
own
department.
C
Well,
I
especially
think
that
it's
good
that
we're
doing
that
too,
is
with
how
law
enforcement's
been
treated
throughout.
You
know
many
cities
that
we
are
not
only
appreciate
our
law
enforcement,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
pay
them
more
and
give
them
a
a
good
environment
to
work
with
it's
hard
enough
as
it
is,
but
the
other
thing
is
the
areas
of
the
state
that
are
more
impacted
by
the
law
enforcement
shortage.
K
So
we
to
your
question
about
making
sure
that
these
efforts
are
targeted
for
both
this
and
also
for
another
one
of
the
provisions
that
you
didn't
ask
about,
but
related
to
the
scholarships
that
the
governor
has
put
into
the
budget
to
be
able
to
help
out
for
getting
folks
to
go
to
the
basic
police
school.
We
are
attempting
to
be
as
intentional
as
possible
and
maximizing
the
efforts,
so
we
know
that
there
are
different
areas
of
the
state
that
have
greater
needs.
K
So,
again,
proactively,
we've
reached
out
to
see
what
resources
already
exist
and
that's
how,
for
example,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
say
that
this
is
what
we
would
necessarily
use,
but
we
became
aware
of
the
department
of
agriculture's
ability
to
pay
index.
I
apologize,
I
don't
recall
the
specifics,
but
the
point
is:
another
agency
had
already
put
in
a
great
deal
of
work
to
understanding
what
resources
existed
within
an
area
and
attempting
to
apply
that
for
other
grants.
K
So
that
would
be
a
piece
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
as
we're
trying
to
balance
how
these
dollars
are
most
effectively
spent
to
benefit
tennesseans.
So
we
we
want
to
be
really
intentional.
We
want
to
be
as
effective
as
possible
with
these
dollars
and
I
hope
I
answered
your
question
because
I
realize
I'm
rambling
now
and
I
apologize.
A
C
Some
of
my
questions
are
rambling
too.
So
one
last
question:
these
are
non-reoccurring
funds
and
you
have
we.
We
have
a
presence
shortage
of
officers.
So
how
are
you
going
to
use
those
funds
for
the
present
need-
and
I
mean
other
than
we
already
talked
about
it-
some
trying
to
get
trained
officers
from
other
areas,
but
they're
they're,
probably
not
going
to
come
to
bean
station
which
they
might?
I
don't
know
it's
pretty
good.
K
So
to
the
first
part
of
your
question
about
the
win
of,
it
is
as
soon
as
possible,
so
hopefully
this
and
all
of
the
other
provisions
that
we
talked
about
would
be
approved
as
part
of
the
governor's
proposal
and
we're
able
to
implement
those
after
that
work
with
the
stakeholders
that
we
talked
about.
I
do
hope
that
they
go
to
being
that
it
benefits
being
stationed,
and
I
I
hope
that
every
single
person
in
here
will
see
their
local
community
benefited
from
this.
In
truth,
it's
it.
K
This
is
a
lot
of
money
and
we're
aware
of
and
thankful
for
the
governor's,
big
investment
in
law
enforcement
and
sense
what
a
big
responsibility
and
opportunity
that
we
have
here.
So
we
we
again
will
work
expeditiously
and
judiciously
to
make
sure
that
this
is
going
to
get
out
and
be
effective
as
quickly
as
possible.
K
C
I
just
want
to
comment
about
the
volunteer,
firefighters
99
of
my
three
counties,
which
are
changing,
of
course,
but
they
have
only
volunteer
firefighters
and
personally,
I
don't
think
that
we
do
enough
for
them.
I'm
really
glad
of
the
little
little
bit
of
things
that
we've
been
doing
lately
and
they
appreciate
it
greatly.
C
It's
it's
not
much,
but
they
really
appreciate
it
and
I
hope
in
the
future
that
we
could
come
up
with
some
just
a
little
bit
of
of
things
that
would
help
them
because
they
operate
on
a
shoestring
budget
and
they're
there
day
and
night
volunteering
not
charging
anything.
So
I
just
wanted
to
leave
that
as
a
comment.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
and
your
team.
Thank
you
so
much
appreciate
that,
in
the
vein
of
the
law
enforcement
training
academy,
you
had
600
dollars
up
there
to
go
from
three
classes
to
monthly
classes
to
12
classes.
Can
you
give
me
an
idea
of
how
many
individuals
are
participating
now
in
each
of
the
classes
and
what's
the
projection
for
numbers
in
in
the
future?.
J
C
You
know,
we've
never
done
this
many,
so
it's
very
hard
to
give
a
forecast
on
that,
and
you
know:
we've
got
this
great
scholarship
program
for
the
basic
training
academy
as
well,
but
we're
also
recruiting
people
from
out
of
state.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
interesting
to
see.
I
I
don't
know
how
to
forecast
that
you
know.
We've
only
done
two
to
three
years
so.
E
The
second
little
commission
report
included
an
observation
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
to
provide
law
enforcement
with
some
additional
training
with
respect
to
identifying
and
responding
to
child
abuse,
and
so
they
also
made
a
recommendation
that
law
enforcement
academy,
post
and
dcs
work
together
and
trying
to
develop
ways
and
to
instruct
law
enforcement
on
how
to
detect
child
abuse.
So
my
question
is:
does
training
already
exist
within
the
academy
to
to
help
I'm
seeing
some
up
and
downs
okay
in
helping
to
spot
child
abuse?
E
K
Apologize,
I
that
off,
yes
ma'am.
We
do
currently
have
training
and
there's
also
continued
training
that
happens
yearly.
There
is,
as
I
understand,
a
bill
that
would
require
not
only
child
abuse
but
also
child
sexual
abuse,
to
be
a
component
of
that
ongoing
training.
Again,
I
I
will
turn
it
over
to
director
kane,
as
I
believe
he
is
engaging
with
that
daily
in
a
way
that
I'm
not
and
would
be
better
prepared
to
respond
to
that
question.
Certainly.
C
Currently,
we
do
train
on
child
abuse
in
the
basic
training
program
and
also
on
an
annual
basis.
Child
sexual
abuse
has
been
required
just
in
my
law
enforcement
experience
every
time
that
we
cover
child
sexual
abuse.
Typically,
child
abuse
is
covered.
The
bill.
That's
out.
There
now
would
mandate
that
child
abuse
also
be
a
required
component
in
addition
to
child
sexual
abuse
so
probably
be
able
to
cover
both
of
those
in
the.
In
the
same
course,.
E
C
As
a
result
of
conversations,
we've
had
working
on
the
current
bill,
that's
making
its
way
through
the
legislature.
I
believe
we
are
going
to
pick
up
and
have
a
better
partnership
with
dcs.
I
know
they've
got
a
training
facility.
That's
got
a
basically
a
simulator
for
their
case
workers
and
we're
going
to
actually
take
a
look
at
that
and
see.
If
that's
not
something
that
we
could
perhaps
expose
our
basic
recruits
to
as
well.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
In
the
proposed
budget,
I
think
there's
485
000
earmarked
for
recurring
items
for
maintenance
at
the.
I
think
this
is
at
the
tennessee
fire
codes
enforcement
academy.
So
the
question
is
what
exact
maintenance
items
would
this
cover?
If
you
have
any
details
on
that,
and
and
then
also-
and
I
know
it's
recurring
so
what
amount
of
additional
funding
would
it
take
that
might
lower
that
cost?
Is
there?
Is
there
a
one-time
cost
that
could
be
covered
that
will
lower
that
maintenance
cost.
K
K
But
it
is
starting
to
show
its
age
because
we've
been
on
closer
to
a
break
fix
model,
and
this
485
thousand
dollars
will
allow
us
to
move
away
from
break
fix
into
true
preventative
maintenance,
and
it
will
also
allow
us
to
no
longer
have
to
divert
some
monies
that
should
have
gone
to
training
into
fixing
a
gas
valve
in
the
re
in
the
burn
building,
for
example.
So
this
485
is
going
to
allow
us
to
get
out
in
front
of
those
monies.
K
L
L
If
the
members
may
not
know
in
2015
the
ratepayers
or
the
board
of
licensing
contractors
asked
to
move
some
of
their
fund
balance
to
start
a
non-profit
in
order
to
facilitate
our
our
young
ones
to
get
involved
in
construction
jobs
across
the
state.
It
was
something
we'd
seen
done
in
other
states,
and
so
I
noticed
that
this
this
year
that
there
was
included.
I
think
it
was
250,
an
additional
200
transfer
of
the
those
rate
payers,
excess
fees,
250
000,
to
be
transferred
back
to
the
go
bill,
go
bill
fund.
L
K
C
Toby
compton,
I'm
the
deputy
commissioner
for
the
department
of
commerce,
insurance
and
representative
williams
yeah.
We
we've
worked
together
on
this
program
over
several
years
in
its
sixth
year
now
it's
it's!
It
has
suffered
a
little
bit
in
the
last
two
years
because
we
couldn't
get
into
the
classrooms
into
the
into
the
high
schools
and
some
of
the
sea
cats
and
whatnot
just
because
of
the
pandemic
situation.
C
This
money
is
intended
to
kind
of
get
them
back
on
track
and
get
them
a
little
more
across
the
state,
with
both
volunteers,
but
also
working
towards
a
model
for
self-sufficiency.
There's
three
more.
There
are
three
years
left
before
sunset
with
go
build
at
the
moment,
so
the
plan
that
we
did
with
in
concert
with
department
of
labor
fna
in
our
department
was
to
put
something
together
and,
yes,
the
board
blessed
it.
The
reserve
fund
stands
at
at
the
end
of
january.
C
L
The
I
guess
I'm
pretty
passionate
about
this.
I
mean
in
2015
the
the
difficulty
hiring
people
in
the
profession,
which
I
do
full-time
well
part-time.
When
I'm
here
but
full-time,
it's
dramatic.
We
we,
we
have
made
very
little
progress
in
getting
folks
to
to
to
do
these
jobs
which
pay
fantastically
I
in
my
community,
if
you
can
operate
a
backhoe
you're
going
to
make
more
than
120
of
the
average
household
income
of
a
family
in
putnam
county.
The
problem
is,
we
can't
get
people
to
do
those
jobs.
L
I
do
know
that
their
programs
were
a
little
bit
different,
even
even
though
they
did
pay
for
their
initial
revenue
was
was
different
than
ours
and
that
the
the
states
put
in
a
large
sum
of
money,
and
then
it
was
undergirded
by
investment
by
the
not
just
the
rate
payers
through
their
funds,
but
also
by
private
industry
that
contributed
to
this
non-profit
of
which
they
hope
to
get
some
of
these
employees.
I
guess
my
question
is,
is
I
know
in
the
senate
side
of
the
house?
L
There's
there's
much
more
frustration
or
or
disdain
with
this,
because,
as
my
fair
one
of
my
favorite
chair
ladies
says,
I
haven't
seen
billboards
like
I
used
to
see
them.
I
haven't
seen
communication
in
marketing
like
I
used
to
see
them
and
she
has
a
valid
point,
and
so
I
recognize
we
all
knew
that
the
period
of
covid
was
difficult
on
a
lot
of
folks.
L
But
I
am
concerned
about
a
continuation
of
transfer
of
the
money.
If
we
don't
see
immediate
results,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
is:
have
we
seen
more
had
increased,
maybe
not
in
my
community
but
in
those
areas
where
more
marketing
dollars
have
been
spent?
Have
we
seen
results
that
bear
out
that
this
is
a
good
investment?
Can
you
share
with
the
those
say
in
the
large
metropolitan
areas
where
they
afford
billboards?
Maybe.
C
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
some
notes,
pretty
pandemic
to
tell
you
kind
of
where
those
dollars
went
and
then
the
effectiveness
I'm
sorry.
I
really
can't
speak
to
that,
but
we'll
follow
up
with
you
on
that,
okay,
but
the
money
yo
is
intended
to
get
us
beyond
where
we
were
these
last
two
years
right
with
virtually
no
funding
right
and
an
inability
to
get
into
areas
and
back
to
you
know,
op-eds.
C
L
Well,
we're
making
significant
investment
cte
programs
across
the
state.
The
governor's
vocational
education
programs
are
great
as
well.
I
think
we
could
do
better
as
it
relates
to
go
build.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
stakeholders,
as
I
have
from
2015
to
now,
to
see
if
we
can't
change
the
trajectory
of
this
investment.
L
The
good
news
for
taxpayers
is
the
monies
that
we've
invested
thus
far
have
all
been
the
rate
payers.
They've
been
the
the
the
board
contractors
licensed
contractors.
They
all
said.
We
have
a
large
fund
balance,
let's
invest
those
revenues
instead
of
reducing
fees
on
themselves,
they've
maintained
them
at
the
way
they
did,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
getting
the
data
from
you,
I'm
hopeful
that
it
will
change.
L
I
look
forward
to
seeing
the
day
when
people
in
the
42nd
district's
children
are
bringing
home
baseball
cards
that
have
to
do
with
being
a
pipefitter
or
a
backhoe
operator,
or
something
like
that,
which
is
what
they
originally
told
it
to
be.
But
I
appreciate
you
being
here
appreciate
your
hard
work
on
this.
I
do
think
it's
important
that
something
we
should
continue,
but
only
with
the
understanding
that
results
matter.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
williams,
and
I
I
know
that
I
am
his
favorite
chair.
Lady
said
I
I
do
have
you
know
just
concerns
about
the
effectiveness
of
the
program
and
whether
or
not-
and
maybe
I
just
didn't
see
social
media,
but
if
we're
trying
to
reach
kids
in
classrooms
or
young
adults
who
are
looking
at
career
changes.
Probably
billboards
aren't
the
most
effective
way
to
go
about
that.
Anyway.
A
A
You
know
few
folks
who
are
unattached
at
this
point,
so
we
recognize
that
it's
an
uphill
climb,
but
again
I
just
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
dollars
that
we
allocate
are
used
in
an
effective
way
and
actually,
as
the
chairman
has
said,
make
a
difference.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
chairman
crawford
you're
recognized.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
and
in
the
essence
of
time
here
I'm
going
to
ask
you
three
questions.
If
it'd
be
alright
and
you
can
just
get
back
to
the
chair,
lady,
the
answers
and
she
can
distribute
it
or
bring
them
to
me
last
year,
we
give
you
all
a
million
dollars
in
non-reoccurring
fundings
to
create
the
volunteer
fire
department
grants.
C
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question,
so
we
just
we
just
closed
the
grant
process
for
this
previous
year
and
there
were
179
applications
and
the
average
award
was
16
000
and
the
the
significant
number
here
is
the
amount
requested.
So
the
amount
of
grants
we
received
and
the
amount
of
requested
funds
was
seven
million
dollars.
A
Seeing
none
we
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
brief
presentation.
As
you
noted,
we
have
plenty
of
questions
of
our
own
to
take
up
your
time
and
if
we
come
up
with
others,
we
will
certainly
reach
out
to
you
and
again,
thank
you
for
the
brevity
and
for
the
work
that
you
do,
there's
a
a
lot
of
things
under
the
purview
of
your
department
that
mean
a
lot
to
the
state.
A
A
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
to
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
before
you
with
me
here
at
the
table
is
to
my
right
is
my
deputy
director,
brad,
nealon
and
and
our
director
of
our
fiscal
unit,
brian
cynical,
and
so
we
will.
We
will
move
right
through
it
and
and
and
be
open
to
any
questions
you
might
have,
and
maybe
give
you
back
even
more
of
your
afternoon
if
at
all
possible.
A
I
Absolutely
so,
as
you'll
see
there
with
our
presentation,
this
was
our
request
for
cost
increase
that
that
we
have
put
forward.
These
are
the
the
increases
that
the
administration
had
approved
and
put
in
the
the
budget,
and
so
on.
The
first
line
is
our
special
crime
division
positions,
20
positions,
then
I'll
get
into
detail
on
what
those
positions
will
be
as
we
go
forward,
then
we
have
our
forensic
services
unit,
25
positions.
20
of
those
are
forensic
scientists.
I
These
are
charges
that
we
in
the
past
have
been
paid
by
court
fees
and
because
of
the
pandemic,
where
the
courts
were
shut
down,
those
fees
were
reduced
dramatically
and
the
monies
the
funds
were
not
there,
and
so
the
request
was
to
to
make
to
make
it
whole.
So
we
do
not
have
to
charge
local
government
in
order
to
submit
fingerprints
in
the
system.
I
Next
is
the
digital
evidence
capacity
because
of
our
the
the
digital
world.
We
live
in
the
need
for
more
capacity
to
store
that
evidence
is,
is
very
robust
and
then
last
on
our
list
on
the
cost
increase
request.
Is
the
jackson
laboratory
that
we
just
opened
this
past
year
and
we
did
not
know
what
the
rent
was.
Gonna
cost
us,
and
so
we
had
to
wait
until
that
that
number
was
provided,
and
so
that
is
that
that
number
that
you
see
on
that
cost
increase
slide.
A
I
So
so,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
special
crimes
initiative,
so
it's
20
new
agents
in
three
critical
areas
that
we
have
addressed
and
identified
cyber
crime,
human
trafficking
and
violent
crime
and
drugs
under
cyber
crime.
One
of
the
things
that
we
were
things
that
we
wanted
to
point
out
is
over
9
000
victims
and
over
140
million
in
losses
were
experienced
in
2021
due
to
cyber
crime.
Currently
we
have
one
agent
working
cyber
crime
dedicated
in
the
bureau,
and
so
the
the
opportunity
for
this
is.
I
We
will
be
standing
up
a
cyber
investigative
unit
with
10
of
these
20
positions,
and
so
that
will
give
us
the
capability
to
address
the
cyber
issues
that
are
going
on,
which
obviously
is
the
emerging
challenge
throughout
not
only
tennessee
but
throughout
our
country,
and
so
we
will
be
able
to
assist
in
those
investigations.
Do
those
investigations
and
provide
personnel
to
address
those
those
challenges.
I
I
I
call
it
teaching
others
to
fish
and
so
working
with
our
local
agencies,
teaching
them
how
to
do
human
trafficking
investigations
and
operations
where,
in
the
past,
we
would
bring
agents
from
throughout
the
state
to
come
in
and
conduct
those
operations
by
ourselves.
What
we
do
now
is
we
have
task
forces.
We
have
officers
from
local
jurisdictions,
we
teach
them
how
to
do
these
operations
so
that
when
we
are
finished
with
the
operation,
they
can
continue
to
run
those
in
their
jurisdiction
after
they've
seen
how
they
are
run.
I
I
You
know
the
the
increases
that
we
have
seen
in
violent
crime
throughout
our
state,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we
know
is
that
violent
crime
is
is
driven
by
drug
crime,
and
so
what
we
see
here
is
our
opportunity
is
to
address
that
further,
the
drug
issues
that
we
are
experiencing
throughout
our
our
state.
What
we
know
right
now
is
the
three
number
one:
drugs
are
the
three
top
drugs
that
we're
seeing
come
into
our
crime
labs
at
the
top
is
methamphetamine.
I
I
And
so
the
effort
that
we
are
putting
in
is
to
address
these
issues
by
adding
four
agents
to
our
drug
unit.
To
be
able
to
address
these
continue
to
address
these
issues.
Each
of
those
will
be
assigned
task
forces
to
multiply
the
opportunity
to
to
have
an
impact
in
additional
to
that.
We
have
one
position
of
the
of
these
and
that
we
listed
under
violent
crime
and
it'll
be
a
pilot.
I
Next
on
the
list
is
forensic
services,
and
I
have
been
asked
by
this
body
a
number
of
times
about
how
we
can
improve
our
efforts
and
turn
around
times
with
our
with
crime
lab
results.
And
so,
as
we
have
looked
at
it,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
immediately
was
the
the
impact
of
the
efficiency
of
the
scientists
that
we
have
and
the
work
that
they
do.
I
And
so
this
past
year
we
received
an
award
called
the
maximus
award
and
what
that
basically
says
is
that
our
folks
are
working
at
the
maximum
capacity
to
impact
and
turn
evidence
around
with
the
numbers
of
people
that
we
have.
98.3
percent
of
all
of
our
requests
are
performed
on
non-tbi
cases,
obviously
they're
all
coming
in
from
local
and
other
state
agencies
to
the
lab.
I
Unfortunately,
the
only
only
solution
is
adding
personnel
to
address
that,
and
so
in
this
we're
addressing
the
greatest
needs,
we'll
be
assigning
the
vast
majority
of
these
positions
to
forensic
biology
dealing
with
dna
and
forensic
chemistry
dealing
with
the
drugs
that
continue
to
come
in,
and
then
there
are
four
forensic
tech
positions.
Difference
between
a
forensic
scientist
and
a
forensic
tech
is,
the
forensic
scientist
is
the
one
who
actually
will
work
the
evidence
and
testify
they'll
write.
The
reports
they'll
testify
to
the
the
results.
I
I
I
Our
network.
We
are
obviously
a
bit
different
than
the
rest
of
the
state
in
that
we
manage
our
own
and
we
house
our
own
data
because
of
the
sensitive
nature
of
our
data.
So
we
have
our
own
system
that
has
to
be
protected,
separate
from
that
of
the
of
the
entire
state
in
this,
as
well
as
physics,
physical
security,
improvements
to
our
facilities.
I
There
are
a
number
of
improvements
up
to
it,
including
the
the
physical
structure
securities,
as
well
as
key
cards
and
those
types
of
things,
communication
equipment,
including
radios
for
all
of
our
tbi
agents.
One
of
the
things
I
I
saw
when
I
got
in
the
door
was
not
all
agents
have
radios,
what
they
would
have
to
do
is
sign
radios
out
for
operations
and
and
that
that's
just
not
acceptable,
and
it's
not
efficient
for
the
operations.
I
I
I
Some
of
the
one-time
training
initiatives,
cyber
training,
crime,
scene,
technology,
training,
forensics,
digital
evidence,
training,
as
well
as
intensive
pilot
training,
is
included
in
the
training
request
that
that
handles
and
takes
care
of
the
the
presentation.
In
terms
of
the
the
the
ask
and
the
request
that
we
have
put
forward-
and
I
will
yield
back
to
the
chair
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
director,
roush,
there's
a
lot
going
on
and
a
lot
of
we
have
opportunities
with
this
budget
to
take
care
of
some
things
that
hopefully,
will
help
you
and
be
more
effective
you
in
your
organization
in
in
the
future.
So
thanks
for
being
forward
looking
and
determining
what
those
things
might
be
chairman,
baum,
you're
recognized.
K
I
The
upgrades
yes
chairman,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
Yes,
we
are
actively
working
on
the
upgrades
at
this
time,
so
the
the
contract
has
has
been
signed
and
the
work
is
is
now
moving
forward
and
so
that
that
four
million
dollars
that
we
have
leveraged
from
the
state,
we
have
six
million
from
the
federal
government
to
completely
revamp
our
afis
system,
and
so
what
it'll
do
is
it'll
bring
it
to
the
21st
century.
I
C
I
No,
the
the
so
the
the
financing
for
that
came
through
the
office
of
criminal
justice
programs
that
that
was
cut
and
those
fees
have
been
assigned,
as
I
understand
for
other
purposes,
and
so
that's
that's.
A
big
part
of
the
problem
is
because
of
the
reduction
in
those
fees,
those
that
money
has
been
redirected
under
ocjp,
and
so
what
this
does
is
it
assures
us
that
we
have
the
money
that
we
won't
have
to
take
from
ocjp
to
take
care
of
our
our
partners
throughout
the
state.
Okay,
good.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
director.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
being
here.
We
appreciate
the
great
job
you
all
do
the
special
crimes
positions,
the
20
that
the
governor
funded
four
million
dollars
in
budget
2.7
million
recurring
1.4
million.
You
gave
us
the
breakdown
of
the
agents,
10
5,
4
and
1
as
far
as
where
they're
assigned.
I
Thank
you,
representative.
Yes,
so
so
what
I
would
point
out
to
you
is
in
the
questionnaire
that
we
responded
you'll
see
in
our
our
ask.
The
numbers
were
larger
than
in
terms
of
the
number
of
positions
that
we've
asked
for.
Yes,
we
we
do
expect
that
the
numbers,
the
the
the
work
is
certainly
much
larger
than
than
than
what
we
have
personnel
to
be
able
to
address
and
and
going
forward.
I
It's
going
to
be
that
way
what
I,
what
I
hope
is
that
this
is
the
first
half
of
filling
out
the
rest
of
the
ask
and-
and
that
is
kind
of
the
way
the
conversation
has
been
is
this
is
a
start
of
being
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
bureau.
We
this
this
was
a
very
big
ask
that
we
put
forward
to
the
governor's
office.
I
We
know
that,
but
I
was
asked
when
I
walked
in
the
door
four
years
ago
to
take
a
comprehensive
review
of
the
agency
and
determine
where
we
one
can
improve,
but
also
what
our
needs
were
and
that's
something
that
I've
been
doing
since
I
I
got
in
the
bureau.
This
is
representative
of
that.
Complete
review
that
we've
done
is,
and
so
the
positions
that
we
asked
for,
while
we
didn't
get
all
of
them,
this
is
a
great
start,
and
so
I'll
be
back.
I
There
are
more
needs
and
those
needs
will
address
all
of
the
issues
that
that
you
just
mentioned
there
and
so
specifically
like
for
cyber.
We
had
asked
for
15
positions,
so
we're
going
to
put
10
of
these
20
in
that,
because
that's
our
most
pressing
need
at
this
point.
Those
other
five
positions
will
be
needed
in
order
for
us
to
to
be
able
to
address
what
we
know
is
happening
in
this
in
this
realm
of
criminal
activity,
and
so
those
other
positions
be
needed.
I
In
addition,
the
other
positions
for
human
trafficking,
other
positions-
I
think
there
was
ten
more
in
the
human
trafficking
that
we
had
asked
for.
There
were,
I
think,
another
10
in
in
violent
crime
that
we
asked
for
so
there
are.
There
are
more
positions
that
are
needed
to
address.
What
we
know
is
the
workload
that
we're
trying
to
address.
G
G
I
read
the
explanation.
I
know
you
signed
that
every
year
and
your
agency
compiles
that,
and
I
appreciate
the
great
job
y'all
are
doing
with
that.
My
question
is:
is
under
this
act,
I'm
a
little
confused
on
the
information.
That's
provided
to
the
general
assembly
that
you
can
pile
who
has
oversight
to
verify
that
the
information
provided
to
you
is
factual
and
what
recourse
is.
There
is
my
question.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
Certainly,
representative,
so
so
the
the
let
me
start
with
the
way
the
information
is
reported,
so
the
information
is
collected
and
reported
by
the
institutions
they're
responsible
for
providing
the
data
to
us.
So
what
we
put
in
our
report
is
based
off
the
data
that
we
receive,
that
that's
that's
step
one.
Now.
Some
of
this
comes
from
law
enforcement.
I
If,
if
a
campus
has
law
enforcement,
they'll
collect
that
and
they'll
submit
it
to
us
and
some
of
the
other
comes
from
those
non-enforcement
campuses
and
what
they'll
do
is
generally
that
information
is
collected
by
local
law
enforcement,
it'll
be
reported
in
their
normal
numbers
and
then
it'll
be
compiled
into
the
report.
Based
on
that,
there
should
be
workings
between
the
university
and
that
local
law
enforcement
they're
required
to
ask
the
local
law
enforcement
what
the
numbers
are,
and
so
that
that
should
be
happening.
I
The
and
then
the
verification
process
is,
we
can
audit.
So
we
can
audit
the
numbers
and
go
and
check
and
and
determine
are
they
reporting
what
they're
supposed
to
report
and
in
the
manner
they're
supposed
to
report,
the
challenge
still
becomes
it's
going
to
be
based
on
what
they
have
in
their
record
that
we
can
see,
and
so
it's
not
a
perfect
system,
but
but
there
you
know
there
are
there.
I
Obviously,
when
you
look
at
the
overall
numbers,
there
are
challenges
that
you
know
when
you
look
and
you
see
some
of
the
numbers
I've
looked
at,
it
makes
you
ask
questions
as
to
you
know,
are
we
getting
the
full
picture
and
and
so
yeah?
I
I
hear
your
concerns.
We
have
those
same
kind
of
concerns
and
we
have
to
rely
on
our
partners
to
be
straightforward
and
honest
in
their
reporting
and
and
I'm
not
saying
they're,
not
I'm
just
wondering
if
maybe
there's
there's
a
better
way
of
doing
it.
G
You
mayor
chairman,
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
I
I
just
with
looking
at
that
data.
There
were
several
I
would
say,
questions
I
had
and
it
seems
like
some
of
the
universities,
some
of
the
people
submitting
data
are
doing
a
very
thorough
good
job,
but
there
are
definitely
some
institutions
that
I
question
the
record
keeping
and
the
information
that
has
been
provided
to
you.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
great
job.
Y'all
do
as
well.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
chair,
lady
director.
Thank
you
again
for
being
here,
you
and
your
staff
I'm
going
to
go
back
just
for
a
second
on
positions,
and
I
want
to
back
up
before
we
move
forward
last
year.
If
I
remember
correctly,
you
received
4.4
million
dollars
for
20
additional
agents.
What's
the
status
of
those
agents
have.
I
C
A
And
I'll
just
follow
up
with
the
question
somewhat
related
to
chairman
hick's
line
of
questioning,
particularly
on
the
cyber
security,
the
new
folks.
Are
you?
What
level
of
difficulty
are
you
finding
to
hire
those
people
because
tech
people
are
a
hot
ticket?
I
don't
know
what
the
salary
ranges
at
the
state.
I
don't
know
whether
that
is
competitive.
So
how
confident
are
you
that
we'll
be
able
to
fill
those
positions
with
competent
people.
I
I
That
was
one
of
the
requests
that
we
have
put
in
we're
hoping
that
it
gets
get
some
eyes
on
it
for
for
next
time
around,
but
we
did
find
in
this
hiring
of
agents
that
we
had
a
few
of
our
folks
that
we
had
thought
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
bring
on
about
six
seven
positions
out
of
those
seven.
I
think
five
of
them
turned
it
down
because
of
pay,
and
so
that's
that's
a
challenge.
I
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
director,
good
to
see
you
you
and
your
team
before
I
actually
get
to
my
comments
and
questions
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
patrick
and
rachel.
They
came
and
spoke
to
a
group
of
eighth
graders
last
week
and
the
eighth
graders
were
super
engaged
blown
away
and
then
patrick
went
around
handing
out
some
goodie
that
they
loved.
F
F
I
happen
to
read
an
article
about
what's
going
on
right
now
with
spring
break
in
florida,
just
in
the
last
couple
of
days,
fort
lauderdale,
ten
hospitalizations
for
fentanyl,
four
u.s
military
cadets
odd
on
cocaine
that
was
laced
with
fentanyl
florida
put
out
their
numbers.
They
had
5
300
deaths
last
year
because
of
fentanyl
the
number
one.
It
was
the
number
one
cause
of
death
for
drugs
in
their
state,
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on
so
is
it
accurate
to
say
that
the
vast
majority
of
fentanyl
comes
across
the
southern
border.
I
That
is
completely
accurate.
Yes,
sir
representative,
it
is
so
I
I
just
made
a
trip
down
to
the
border.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
with
the
high
intensity
drug
trafficking
areas,
I
serve
on
their
executive
board.
We
went
down
to
see
the
border
and
see
what
what
was
going
on
there
and-
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
it's-
it's
challenging
the
I
applaud
border
patrol
for
the
efforts
that
they're
putting
in
but
they're
they're
way
down
in
personnel.
I
There
are
portions
large
portions
of
the
border
that
are
absolutely
uncovered,
which
means
free
passage
across,
and
that
means
the
the
influx
of
what
we're
seeing
so
the
vast
majority.
Well,
all
fentanyl,
all
methamphetamine
that
we're
seeing
at
this
time
is
coming
from
our
southern
border.
So
it's
coming
across
and
it
is,
it
is
deadly.
I
It's
the
most
potent
that
we
have
ever
seen
being
made
in
in
labs
in
it's
south
of
the
border,
and
so
there
are
it
is.
It
is
a.
It
is
a
major
issue.
We
are
seeing
tennesseans
die
in
record
numbers
because
of
this.
What
they're
doing
it
used
to
what
they
used
to
do
is
mix
fentanyl
in
with
other
drugs.
I
What
we're
seeing
now
is
they're
not
even
doing
that
anymore.
What
they're
doing
is
just
bringing
pure
fentanyl
in
they're,
pressing
it
into
counterfeit
pills
to
make
them
look
like
things
like
oxycodone,
oxycotin,
hydrocodone,
a
prazolam,
they're,
they're,
they're,
pressing
it
into
these
pills
and
making
people
believe
that
it's
that
it's
something
else
for
the
most
part.
I
think,
frankly,
my
opinion
is
that
they're
pressing
it
into
the
pills
to
try
to
throw
law
enforcement
off.
I
We
know
through
intercepts
that
when,
when
the
drug
kills
someone,
it
becomes
more
popular,
I
know
that's
counterintuitive,
but
it
happens.
People
start
seeking
and
seeking
it
from
that
dealer
that
dealer
pushes
the
information
out
on
on
their
dark
social
media
web
that
it's
a
killer
and
people
want
it.
I
They
start
seeking
it,
and
so
that's
concerning
to
us
as
well,
because
I
think
what
happens
is
these
folks
who
are
are
stuck
in
this
crisis
of
addiction,
believe
that
it's
not
going
to
kill
them,
and
you
know-
and
they
want
the
high
that
comes
from
this
really
potent
drug,
and
so
it's
it's.
The
worst
we've
seen
it's
in
numbers
that
we
have
have
never
seen
before
the
volume
is
unbelievable.
I
The
prices
are
low,
you
know,
while
we're
all
paying
more
at
the
at
the
pump
and
paying
more
in
our
grocery
stores,
they're
paying
less
in
on
the
street
for
drugs
and
because
of
the
volume
that
is
that
is
coming
across
and
the
other
part
I
would
tell
you,
is
what
I
learned
in
a
couple
of
ways.
One
is
because
of
cases
we've
been
doing
here
in
tennessee
is
the
cartels
have
come
across
the
border
they
are
here.
I
I
We
we
just
had
a
case
over
in
the
knoxville
area,
where
we
took
down
an
individual
who
was
a
nephew
to
the
number
two
in
the
new
jalisco
cartel
that
high
level
of
an
operative
being
in
in
states
is,
is
unprecedented,
and
so
we
we
we
are,
we
are
in
a
a
time
of
challenge
and
and
with
those
drugs
comes
the
violence
as
well
representative.
That's
the
other
thing
we're
finding
our
focus.
I've
talked
to
our
team
about
the
focus
of
what
we
do.
I
F
I
F
And
that
and
that's
my
last
follow-up
question
madam
chair
is
so
so
we
have
a
completely
unsecure
border.
That
is
the
that
that
lays
at
the
feet
of
congress
and
the
president
of
both
parties.
There's
no
doubt
about
it,
and
so
we
know
what
the
issue
is,
but
it's
nothing's
being
done
to
address
it
right
now.
So
what
do
we
do,
and
what
do
you
do
as
a
tbi
in
tennessee
to
basically
put
a
band-aid
on
something
where
we're
not
addressing
the
core
where
it
continues
to
flood
across
and
no
sign
of
stopping
it?
F
I
Thank
you
chairman.
So
so
again
we
are
working
with
our
state
partners
and
and
our
friends
across
the
the
southern
states
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
to
to
to
build
some
kind
of
a
guard
against
what's
happening.
We
continue
in
the
efforts
that
we
have
going
on
in
the
state.
We
have
a
number
of
task
forces
that
we
we
participate
with
we're
having
an
impact
on
that
law.
I
Enforcement's
role
is
to
impact
the
supply
that
that's
our
job
is
to
stop
the
supply
that
that's
our
job
right.
The
other
piece
to
this
is
the
demand,
and
the
demand
is
something
that
has
to
be
addressed
as
well,
and
that
has
to
be
done
through
through
treatment
programs.
It
has
to
be
done
through
prevention
programs.
So
it's
it's.
It's
a
multi-faceted
approach
and-
and
I
would
tell
you
we're
doing
we're
doing
everything
we
can.
I
F
J
J
I
want
to
talk
about
some
of
these
analogs
and
these
synthetics
that
we're
seeing
now
and
thankfully
many
of
us
lived
through
the
bath
salts
issues
that
we
had
starting
a
decade
ago
and
tell
me
where
we
are
on
policing
these
analogs
and,
in
my
mind,
we're
creating
customers
for
these
fentanyl
delivery
organizations
that
you're
talking
about
so
I'm
I'm
hearing
so
much
from
back
home.
My
school
resource
officers
are
seeing
these
products
with
minors
in
schools,
there's
ods
that
are
going
on
on
a
weekly
basis
in
small
town
tennessee.
I
Thank
chairman,
it's
this
is
a
challenge
right,
the
the
game
that
is
played
with
drugs,
the
the
constant
movement
of
of
a
chemical
here
or
molecule
there.
Now
we
had,
we
had
a
statute
in
place
and
it's
still
in
place,
but
the
deals
with
analogs
and
that
statute
addresses
if
it
looks
like
a
duck,
it
quacks
like
a
duck.
It's
a
duck
right.
However,
we
have.
I
At
this
point,
we
believe
it's
illegal
because
it
causes
a
high
right,
it's
thc,
and
so
that's
where
that's
where
we
have
a
biggest
issue
with
this
with
this
right
now,
and
so
there
is,
there
is
a
need
to
clarify
that,
if,
if
it's,
if
it's
thc,
it's
thc,
right
and
and
you're
right,
our
our
kids
are
getting
it.
You
know
a
matter
of
fact
mike
little,
our
our
assistant
director
over
our
lab
is
here
he
he.
I
I
E
You
know
made
sure
my
late
step.
Father
was
a
state
investigator.
You
would
come
up
before
legislature
and
testify.
I
always
remember
what
he
told
me
before
he
died.
He
says
best
thing
to
do
is
support
law
enforcement
and
help
folks
with
with
addiction
and
get
them
get
them
treatment.
You
know,
as
you
know,
we're
having
a
workforce
development
problem.
You
know
my
county
can't
get
truck
drivers
for
the
convenience
centers
dealing
with
the
expungements
are.
E
I
Yes,
and
so
that's
that's
part
of
our
expansion
request-
that's
coming
up
after
this,
but
yes,
we
we
do
there
is.
There
is
a
need
to
enhance
and
increase
our
our,
not
only
expungements,
but
also
on
the
other
side
of
our
house
that
we're
dealing
with,
and
that
is
with
our
with
the
unit
that
handles
backgrounds
when
folks
call
in
and
so
there's
a
and
so
it's
a
it's
an
interesting
because
they
work
almost
hand
in
hand.
I
The
team
that
works
on
expungements,
as
well
as
the
team
that
does
our
background
investigations
and
so
because
what
happens
is
when
you
call
in,
and
you
want
to
purchase
a
firearm
and
they're
doing
that
background.
If
they
see
something
in
the
record,
then
they
they
have
to
put
you
on
hold
until
they're
able
to
clarify
that
record.
That's
a
that's
an
investigation.
They
actually
have
to
go
and
do,
and
so
that
takes
time
and
and
that
can
only
be
done
with
more
personnel.
I
I
mean
that
that's
the
the
issue
here
right
and
so
when,
when
we
come
to
you
with
these
expansion
requests
and
when
we
come
to
you
with
these
requests
for
additional
personnel
in
areas
like
expungements
in
areas
like
our
our
our
ties
and
ticks
units,
the
these
are.
These
are
the
needs
in
order
to
be
able
to
better
serve
tennesseans.
C
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
director,
thanks
so
much
for
being
here
going
back
to
the
topic
of
drugs.
I've
got
a
couple
questions
if
not
going
back
and
forth.
First
of
all,
I
was
just
curious
if
you
all
had
numbers
on
how
many,
how
much,
how
much
of
the
illegal
drugs
or
counterfeit
drugs
in
tennessee
are
coming
here,
west
to
east
across
the
river
on
the
I-55
or
I-40
bridge,
and
that's.
I
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
that
we
have.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
this
specific
information
about
the
the
route
in
terms
of
where
they're
coming.
We
know
that
the
interstate
routes
obviously
are
how
everything
is
traveling
and
traversing
through
our
our
state,
so
they
that
the
drugs
are
coming
in
a
couple
different
ways:
one
we
have.
We
have
them
coming
through
the
interstate
routes.
I
Now
we
have
some
great
operations
with
all
of
those
organizations
and
we
are
able
to
intercept
a
number
of
those
packages
and
have
done
a
good
job
of
of
getting
those
some
of
those
out
of
the
way.
But
the
reality
is,
the
volume
is
is
more
robust
than
than
the
than
the
manpower,
and
so
I
I
don't
have
specific
numbers.
I
can
give
you
on
on.
I
I
No,
I
I
I
would
tell
you
that
we
did
not
and
and
so
here's
the
thing
is,
is
the
reality.
Is
you
know
they
you
can
it's
almost
like.
You
know
the
the
whack-a-mole
game
you
can,
you
can
smack
one
and
then
it's
going
to
pop
up
somewhere
else,
and
so
you
can
squeeze
it's
like
squeezing
a
balloon.
You
know
you
can
squeeze
one
spot
and
it'll
pop
up
another
spot,
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
what
we
see
and
we
didn't.
We
didn't
experience
a
decrease
whatsoever
in
the
in
the
trade.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
being
here,
mr
director.
I
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
something
else,
so
I
won't
bring
up
this
right
now,
but
can
you
just-
and
I
I
know
we
time
is
getting
late
but
kind
of
just
give
us
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
what
the
jackson
facility
has
meant.
I
know
that
you
know
it's.
It's
a
state-of-the-art
and
y'all
have
done
an
excellent
job.
Could
you
just
kind
of
tell
us
a
little
bit
what
benefits
you've
been
able
to
receive
so
far
from
it.
I
Yeah,
absolutely
representative,
so
it
has
been
a
huge
benefit
to
us.
One
is
obviously
it's
centralized
our
facilities
in
the
west
side
of
the
state,
and
so
it
our
partners
are
telling
us
that
it
is.
It
has
become
really
one
efficient
for
them
to
be
able
to
drop
evidence
off
so
that
that's
that's
a
huge
win.
Two
is
our
processing
time
we're
able
to
do
better
because
of
the
the
state
of
the
art
equipment
that
we
have
the
space.
I
We
have
we're
also
going
going
to
enhance
so
part
of
this.
The
forensic
scientist
in
this
is
we're
going
to
open
a
codis
unit
there,
so
our
dna
unit
will
be
opened
up
in
that
facility,
which
will
that'll
be
the
first
right
now
we're
out
processing
that
that
evidence,
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
do
it
in
a
more
efficient
and
effective
and
cost
effective
way
there
at
this
lap.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
director.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
this.
I
also
let
the
department
of
health
know
so
that
maybe
you
can
all
keep
and
look
out
for
it,
but
the
delta
eight
that
you
were
just
speaking
about
at
where
I
work.
There
was
a
a
mother,
who's,
her
daughter's
boyfriend
and
she
had
been
using
delta
a
quite
a
bit
and
one
weekend.
The
young
man
just
started
acting
very
strange.
G
G
Kids
they're,
the
parents
came
from
the
other
state
anyway,
he
was
taken
in
for
mental
health
issues
and
he
was
admitted,
and
the
doctor
told
his
parents
that
he
was
diagnosing
him
with
schizophrenia.
He
had
never
had
problems
before
they
did
determine
that
he
was
a
user
of
delta
eight
and
the
doctor
at
this
particular
hospital,
and
I
can
get
to
the
name
of
it,
said
that
they're,
seeing
increasing
numbers
of
young
people
being
diagnosed
with
schizophrenia,
who
use
delta
eight,
and
we
know
that
marijuana
can
also
cause
schizophrenia
in
young
people.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
representative.
I
I
agree
with
your
assessment.
It
is
a
it's
a
concern
of
ours.
Research
shows
that
there
are
major
psychological
issues
with
persistent
and
continued
use
of
of
marijuana
and
its
derivatives,
and
so
these,
and
especially
these
these
synthetics
that
are
that
are
out
there,
and
so
you
know,
delta
eight
is
a
synthetic.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
derivative,
that's
been
pulled
off
of
the
plant,
and
so
it's
it
has.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady,
thank
you
director,
your
team
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
I
appreciate
when
you
mention
supply
and
demand.
I
I
thought
supply
and
demand.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it
seemed
as
if
as
a
country
and
almost
well
certainly
a
state,
we
have
a
demand
problem
when
it
comes
to
legal
and
illegal
drugs.
H
I
Yeah,
so
one
of
our
one
of
our
pushes
is
to
constantly
look
for
individuals
that
have
language
skills.
We
actually
pay
we're
able
to
give
a
bump
and
pay
with
with
language
skills,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
the
areas
that
we
are
constantly
trying
to
recruit
for
is,
is
enhancing
and
increasing
our
ability
to
to
bring
on
individuals
that
have
have
multiple
language
skills.
I
A
Thank
you,
and
I
would
be
remiss
before
we
close
out
this
session,
something
that
this
body
has
been
interested
in
and
asked
questions
about
ever
since
I've
been
here.
So
I
don't
want
to
break
our
chain,
but
the
we've
had.
As
everyone
knows,
we've
had
a
backlog
of
for
testing,
I'm,
assuming
that
these
new
positions
with
the
forensic
scientists
and
the
forensic
techs
are
going
to
help
to
address
that.
But
can
you
just
tell
us
what
the
backlog
is
like
how
long
until
you
anticipate
with
these
folks
that
are
coming
on
board?
I
I
I
So
we
have
eight
different
areas
of
of
science
that
we
test
in
and
so
depending
on
the
science.
Some
are
doing
very
well
in
their
quick
turnarounds
because
of
the
the
low
level
of
evidence
that
comes
into
them
and
then
the
high
efficiencies
that
they
have,
but
some
of
our
more
challenging
areas.
Dna
is
an
area
that
obviously
is
more
challenging.
The
drug
chemistry
is
an
area,
that's
more
challenging.
Those
are
areas
that
this
is
going
to
address
this
request.
I
I
A
G
A
I
Certainly
ma'am
chair,
so
the
request
is
for
eight
positions
and
the
the
funding
for
those
positions
we
have
is
that
those
are
funds
that
we
already
have
available.
We
expect
those
funds
to.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
conservatively
looked
at
those,
and
these
are
funds
that
come
in
through
our
fee
program.
So
so
we
have
the
funds
to
be
able
to
pay
for
the
positions
these
positions
again
will
be
utilized.
I
I
When
I
mentioned
the
investigation
that
has
to
go
into
when
someone
request
to
purchase
a
firearm,
if
there's
some,
if
there's
a
flag,
then
they
have
to
actually
go
into
the
criminal
history
and
determine
what's
going
on
to
determine
why
there's
not
a
disposition.
Generally,
that's
the
case
is:
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
disposition
that
hasn't
been
reported.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
director
good,
seeing
you
and
appreciate
what
all
you
and
your
staff
do,
and
I
like
to
say
tell
the
group
I'm
proud
to
have
served
in
the
finest
regiment
in
the
united
states
army
with
the
director
here
all
right,
sir.
All
the
troops
and
troops
director
you
mentioned
that
it's
been
a
30
increase
since
firearm
sales.
Do
you
see
again?
Do
you
see
that
as
a
trend
that
will
continue
to
justify
the
funding
of
these
positions
in
the
future.
I
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
along
that
same
line,
you
mentioned
that
you
already
have
the
funding
for
this.
I
assume
that's
coming
from
the
sales
and
the
processing
you're
already
doing
so.
That
sparks
another
question,
so
the
10
fee
that
we
just
mentioned
are
you:
are
you
clearing
anything
over
and
above
your
cost
on?
That?
Is
that
how
you've
accumulated
some
funds?
And
if
so,
would
you
you
probably
know
where
I'm
going
with
this?
C
I
We
did
realize
a
a
reserve
from
the
the
fee,
however,
that
that
is
not
something
we
expect
to
sustain,
and
that's
why
I
said
we
were
conservative
in
in
meeting
the
need
that
we
know
we
got
coming
in
with
the
eight
positions
we
believe
that'll
zero
us
as
we
move
forward.
I
don't
believe
that
the
fee
is
is
is
too
much?
I
don't
believe
that
it's
you
know
we're,
certainly
not
banking,
a
reserve
because
of
this
fee.
H
L
I
Thank
you
representative.
I
I
I
don't
know
what's
going
on
in
their
heads,
I
think
that
I
think
that
it's,
I
think
it's
just
a
concern
for
safety,
and
I
think
that
you
know,
I
think,
when
you
see
on
the
news
every
night
that
there's
a
there's
an
invasion
by
by
an
outside
force.
I
think
that
causes
concern
for
safety
and
I
think
that's
what
I
think.
That's
what
causes
people
to
do.
This.
E
E
This
is
not
something
that
would
happen
right
away,
but
maybe
a
centralized
location
for
at
the
state
level
for
expungements,
because
so
many
some
some
of
the
same
crimes
are
classified
differently,
and
I
found
this
out
because
I
had
I
had
a
piece
of
legislation
that
certainly
I'm
not
gonna
run
because
it
wouldn't
work
just
by
giving
a
blanket
expungement,
but
because
of
the
different
classifications
of
crimes.
You
can't
do
that.
I
E
Well,
I
know
you
know
over
the
95
counties,
we
all
have
the
same
problem
and
we
all
you
know
we
struggle
with
our
citizens,
try
to
help
them
on
local
bases,
and
sometimes
we
can
help.
Sometimes
we
can't
I
I
don't
know
what
it
would
take,
and
maybe
this
is
totally
too
much
to
even
comprehend
or
to
think
about,
but
because
these
crimes
are
so
classified
in
such
a
different
way.
E
It's
really
hard.
Sometimes
two
people
who
committed
basically
the
same
crime,
one
class
qualifying
the
other
one.
Don't,
and
I
just
wondered-
and
I
know
there
are
some
states
who
do
have
systems
like
this,
where
you
could
just
go
online,
you
can
put
in
whatever
information
it
asks
for,
and
it
tells
you
if
you
qualify
and
and
again
I
know
that
takes
staff
money
and
all
I'm
not
forgetting
that.
E
I
Yeah
representative,
I
would
tell
you
as
well:
there
are.
There
are
states
who
have
very
robust
systems
that
talk
to
each
other,
which
is
you
would
think
in
the
21st
century.
That's
not
a
that,
wouldn't
be
a
big
deal,
but
unfortunately,
in
in
tennessee
we
have
a
number
of
systems
that
don't
talk
to
each
other
right,
and
so
you
know
you
got
95
counties
and
you
have
a
number
of
different
systems,
and
so
even
just
getting
the
accurate
reporting
and
the
disposition
of
cases
is
difficult.
I
You
know,
and-
and
so
I
think,
there's
more
that
can
be
done
to
talk
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
get
a
system,
a
statewide
system
right
that
that
that
is
easily
accessible
and
easily
adapted
to
the
challenges
that
we
face
with
with
with
the
court
system?
And
so
there's
there
are.
There
are
some
ways
of
doing
that.
There
are
other
states
that
have
done
it.
I've
had
conversations
with
our
peers
up
in
kentucky.
They
have
a.
I
A
A
So
I
suppose
that,
for
you,
guys
is
job
security,
but
we
would
look
forward
to
the
day
that
we
could,
if,
if
not,
we
didn't
would
never
want
to
be
rid
of
the
tvi,
but
would
it
be
nice
to
be
able
to
skinny
you
all
down
because
we
no
longer
needed
so
many
services,
but
sadly
I
don't
see
that
day
in
the
near
future.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time
here
today
and
for
your
service.
A
Bitty,
we
are
back
in
session
that
completes
our
budget
hearings
and
expansion.
Hearing
for
today
we
have
one
more
set
of
budget
hearings
monday
morning.
Listen
carefully.
One
more
set
monday
morning
be
here,
be
square
nine
o'clock
on
monday,
and
we
will
finish
up
our
hearings
and
move
on
I'll.
Tell
you
on
friday,
I'm
not
certain.
It's
on
your
schedule.
You
have
a
schedule
with
those
with
those
hearings
on
it,
so
we
will
be
doing
that
on
monday.
Until
then,.