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House Budget Hearings- February 10, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
B
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We're
going
to
have
several
hearings
scheduled
today,
we're
beginning
with
the
alcohol
beverage,
commission
and
members
as
a
reference,
your
all
the
documents,
all
the
powerpoints
that
have
been
provided
to
us
will
be
not
only
on
the
screen,
but
they'll
also
be
available
on
dashboard
for
your
reference.
A
C
There
we
go
that's
better.
Thank
you,
chair
lady
hazelwood,
russell
thomas
director
of
the
tennessee
alcoholic
beverage
commission,
joined
today
by
aaron
rummage,
our
director
of
legislation,
policy
and
communication,
we'll
be
presenting
our
upcoming
fiscal
year
budget
to
you
before
we
do
that.
I
just
want
to
give
a
real,
quick
thanks
to
this
committee.
For
your
help.
Last
year,
we
added
some
positions,
asked
you
for
permission
to
spend
a
little
more
money
last
year
and
we
were
able
to
hire
some
new
agents.
We've
filled
those
positions,
some
of
those
are
laterals.
C
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
had
some
increases
last
year
this
year
we
have
no
increases
to
bring
before
y'all
that
we're
asking
for
to
add
to
our
budget
the
the
budget
we're
requesting
in
the
upcoming
fiscal
years,
9
million
869
000
a
quick
breakdown
of
that
we're
lucky
to
be
an
agency.
That's
largely
self-funded.
C
C
We
get
some
money
from
the
governor's
highway
safety
office
who
we
participate
with,
and
some
some
combined
public
safety
campaigns,
and
we
have
a
small
amount
of
revenue
from
the
federal
government
for
a
combined
program.
We
work
with
them
kind
of
the
bird's
eye
view
of
our
expenses
at
the
abc,
of
course,
the
largest
portion
of
that
are
salary
and
benefits
5.5
million
dollars
by
far
the
biggest
chunk
of
our
overhead
operational
expenditures
other
than
that
total
about
2.8.
C
C
C
We've
been
set
a
reversion
target
of
500
000
over
the
last
few
years.
We
have
met
and
exceeded
that,
and
we
estimate
in
the
coming
fiscal
year
to
again
meet
and
exceed
that
reversion
target,
so
those
are
license
fees
and
etc
that
we
collect
that
are
beyond
the
operational
expenses
that
we
have
and
that's
separate
and
apart
from
any
fines
that
we
collect
you'll
see
over
the
last
couple
years,
we've
collected
just
over
about
a
million
dollars
in
fines
a
year,
those
those
bypass
our
budget
that
goes
directly
to
the
to
the
general
fund.
C
C
It
lists
currently
non-vacant
positions.
We
actually
have
three
or
four
starting
next
week,
which
will
bring
us
down
to
about
five
and
a
pretty
low
percentage.
I
think
we'll
be
getting
down
to
about
five
percent,
we're
pretty
proud
of
that,
and
we've
had
low
turnover
of
the
last
year
as
well
of
those
90
about
30
or
handle
our
licensing
and
administrative
staff
from
accountants
to
people
that
review
license
applications.
C
Glance
of
our
activities.
Over
the
past
year
we
issued
just
under
40
000
permits
and
licenses
fielded
over
30
000
phone
calls
conducted
just
over
8
700
inspections
conducted
over
2
700,
routine,
minor
compliance
checks.
We
received
779
complaints
from
the
public
and
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
We
issued
just
over
1500
regulatory
citations.
C
C
C
No,
we
have
three
members
of
our
board
of
commissioners.
They
come
from
various
walks
of
life,
they
work
in
a
part-time
capacity.
We
we
bring
them
over
to
nashville
at
least
once
a
month
and
then
some
conferences
throughout
the
year,
but
we
have
lawyers,
bankers
recently,
pharmacists
and
one
from
each
grand
division.
C
We
have
we
have
about.
We
have
90
total
staff.
Three
of
those
are
the
part-time
commissioners
about
half
of
those
are
on
our
law
enforcement
side,
in
that
40
40
of
those
are
sworn
agents
and
the
remaining
balance
of
those
are
non-sworn
civilian
inspectors
and
a
couple
of
administrative
positions.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
being
here.
So
during
the
pandemic,
some
of
the
restrictions
regarding
like
to
go
drinks
and,
and
this
and
the
like,
were
were
relaxed,
have
operations
returned
pretty
much
business
as
usual
and,
like
our
inspections
being
conducted,
permit
trains
being
conducted
in
person,
we
back
to
pre-pandemic
operations.
C
Yes,
yes,
thank
you
for
that
question
and
I
believe
when
we're
here
last
year,
things
were
a
little
different,
but
this
year
things
are
yeah.
They
they
are
back
to
normal
in
in
most
respects.
For
us
on
our
side.
You
know
we
are
back
to
our
pre-pandemic
operations,
doing
things
in
person.
Our
businesses
are
largely
back.
C
I
think
you've
seen
that
we've
seen
net
license
growth,
which
is
a
good
indicator
for
us.
We
like
we're
seeing
new
businesses
open
and
more
new
businesses
open
than
businesses
closing,
and
it
appears
that
they're
doing
well.
According
to
the
tax
revenue
that
we
see
some
historic
highs
and
we're
glad
to
see
it,
it
appears
to
be
a
good
indicator
of
a
of
a
economy.
That's
that's!
Coming
back
strong.
C
That
ability
was
granted
through
executive
order
and
during
the
legislative
session
last
time
around
some
of
that
was
addressed
by
the
legislature
and
anders
and
was
written
into
statute,
and
in
that
process
there
were
a
lot
of
things.
We
were
seeing
early
on
the
things
that
we
were
concerned
about.
The
legislation
attempted
to
address
some
of
those
issues,
primarily
low
compliance
rate
and
and
we've
continued
to
focus
on
that
over
the
last
year,
those
rates
have
gotten
have
improved,
somewhat
they're,
still
fairly
low.
A
C
It
is
and
we
and
we
are
continuing
it-
you
know.
Luckily,
the
agency
had
actually
developed
rules
governing
those
programs
about
a
year
before
the
pandemic.
We
were
luckily
ahead
of
that
and
we're
very
glad
that
those
programs
were
online
actually
a
little
bit
before
and
during
the
pandemic.
So
it
gave
opportunities
for
a
lot
of
folks
to
do
some
things
online
at
a
time
when
it
just
wasn't
possible
to
do
those
in
person
and
we've
seen
those
gain
in
popularity.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
afternoon,
gentlemen,
quick
question
related
to
the
reserve
balance
that
keep
that
has
continued
to
carry
forward
forward
for
the
state,
training
and
responsible
venture
program.
I
believe
that's
roughly
six
million
dollars.
What
are
the
long-term
plans
abc
has
for
that
fund.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
fund
that
we
use
for
some
of
our
large
big
ticket
projects
so
that
so
that
we
don't
have
to
you
know,
come
to
y'all
in
any
given
year
and
say:
oh
we've
got
this
big
project,
that's
going
to
cost
four
million
dollars.
We
need
money
to
do
it,
so
we
spent
that
down
quite
a
bit
in
the
period
2016
to
18..
C
During
that
time
we
implemented.
Well,
we
transitioned
from
a
very
kind
of
old,
at
least
in
the
business
world,
paper-based
practice
to
a
digital
online
based
licensing
system
on
our
licensing
side
since
spinning
it
down
during
those
years.
It
has
increased
quite
a
bit
in
recent
years.
We
do
have
several
projects
that
we
have
planned
to
come
online
in
the
coming
two
to
three
years.
G
G
F
Sure,
thank
you.
Aaron
rummage
for
the
tabc,
so
we've
been
tracking
this
the
whole
time
when
the
pandemic
originally
started.
We
thought
we
wanted
to
see.
If
you
know
business
would
go
down
because
we
are
funded
on
the
license
fees,
so
we
have
been
tracking
it
the
whole
time
and
the
reason
why
we
broke
it
down
with
the
four
big
cities
versus
the
rest
of
them,
because
this
is
where
primarily
a
lot
of
activity.
Lbd
activity
occurs
and
we
saw
that
there
was
a
lot
of
lock.
F
F
F
I
know
we
know.
Tourism
is
a
large
factor
in
lbd
taxes,
for
instance,
nashville
has
collects
close
to
50
percent
of
the
lbd
taxes
across
the
state
and
I
think
they
might
have
forgive
me
from
wrong,
but
it's
something
like
13
percent
of
the
population,
so
we
know
that
tourism
does
affect
lbd
taxes
significantly,
but
I
think
it
also.
It's
probably
the
block
downs.
I
guess
yeah.
F
F
You
know
that's
something
that
we
can
speculate
on,
but
I
I
think,
that's
probably
more.
For
the
some
you
know:
department
of
health
department,
mental
health,
we
track
our
licensees
and
the
behaviors
that
are
occurring
within
the
business
community
and
what's
happening
inside
those
restaurants.
You
know
the
activities
whether
it
be
criminolar
and
but
generally,
that
would
be
more
of
a
public
health
matter
that
I
think
would
be
we'd,
probably
feel
more
comfortable
if
they
would
comment
on
so
very.
G
F
A
H
H
Are
they
paying
the
same
enforcement
taxes
and
the
same
taxes
that
we're
putting
on
our
brick
and
mortar
distributors,
wholesalers,
everybody
that's
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
specifically
what
I'm
worried
about.
Last
year
we
adjusted
our
weight
fare
threshold
and
we
kind
of
looked
at
legislation
that
gave
out
of
state
shippers,
distributors,
people
that
brought
products
in
the
tennessee.
C
They
are
subject
to
the
same
sales
tax
that
any
other
retailer
in
or
outside
of
the
alcohol
world
pays
and
they
to
get
a
license
with
us
before
we
issue
that
they
have
to
register
with
the
department
of
revenue
to
pay
those
sales
taxes,
they
also
pay
a
gallonage
tax.
They
pay
the
same
gallonage
taxes
that
in-state
producers,
in-state
wineries,
pay,
so
those
out-of-state
direct
shipper
license
holders
pay
the
same
taxes
that
their
in-state
peers
pay.
C
For
example,
a
california
winery
as
compared
to
a
tennessee
winery
pay,
the
same
sales
tax
rate
and
the
same
gallonage
tax
rate
in
tennessee.
There
is
also
a
an
enforcement
tax
which
applies
a
per
case
tax
to
to
distributors
in
tennessee
and
with
direct
to
consumer
shipping.
Those
cells
are
outside
of
the
three-tier
system.
They
don't
involve
the
distribution
tier
that
that
tax
is
assessed
to
the
distribution
tier
for
in-state
sales.
H
And
so
what
capacity
does
your
department
have
to
be
sure?
Those
numbers
that
we're
giving
are
accurate?
Are
you
able
to
audit?
Are
you
able
to
backtrack?
I
I
feel
like
our
in-state
distributors,
who
are
required
to
pay
that
tax.
You
know
they're
brick
and
mortar
they're
in
the
state.
Your
people
are
walking
in
their
facility.
H
C
C
One
of
the
we
saw
some
business
trends
change
from
when
these
original
laws
were
passed
and
last
year,
some
legislation
reforming
that
area
is
going
to
give
us
some
some
better
tools
that
just
frankly
fit
that
business
model
better.
We
found
that
over
60
percent
of
shipments
coming
into
the
state
weren't
coming
directly
from
a
winery,
but
through
these
third-party
businesses
that
provided
logistics
services
last
year,
the
legislature
created
a
license
for
those
folks
that
went
into
effect
january
1st
of
this
year.
C
We
and
our
partners.
I
have
to
give
a
lot
of
credit
to
our
partners
at
fna
and
the
strategic
technology
solutions.
Division
worked
really
hard
for
us
to
get
our
technology
in
place
in
advance
of
that
law.
Change
and
we've
got
30
of
those
businesses,
which
was
our
estimate
of
what
we
expected.
We've
got
them
signed
up,
we've
got
them
licensed
now
and
in
a
couple
of
months
we're
going
to
start
collecting
reports
from
them
that
we
are
going
to
then
be
able
to
compare
to
some
reports.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
reiterate,
I
just
hope,
with
our
legislation
we
pass
going
forward
that
we're
able
to
hold
those
out
of
state
shippers,
vendors,
any
third
party-
that's
handling
alcohol.
I
just
hope
we're
holding
them
to
the
same
high
standards
that
we
hold
our
people
in
state
and
we're
not
creating
a
system
that
gives
an
unfair
advantage
to
out-of-state
retailers,
distributors
makers,
I
mean
all
of
them.
H
I
A
A
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
cliff
lippard,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
tennessee
advisory
commission
on
intergovernmental
relations
or
tasser.
With
me
today
I
have
our
deputy
executive
director,
melissa
brown
and
our
director
of
administration,
michael
timmy.
It's
our
pleasure
to
be
before
you
today,
as
requested
I'll,
keep
my
comments
brief.
To
allow
plenty
of
time
for
questions.
J
As
you
probably
recall,
we
were
created
in
1978
to
serve
as
a
forum
for
the
discussion
and
resolution
of
intergovernmental
problems.
We
serve
a
25
member
commission,
we're
very
happy
to
see
three
of
our
members
on
on
the
the
committee
today,
including
madam
chair,
and
the
staff
of
of
tasser
is
18
full-time
staff
members,
including
14
on
our
research
staff,
which
includes
myself
and
melissa
and
four
in
our
support
staff,
which
includes
michael
over
the
the
past
year.
J
We
conduct
that
study
with
the
state's
nine
development
districts
and
they
survey
local
governments,
and
we
also
survey
state
agencies
to
compile
that
inventory
and
update
it
each
year
and
additionally,
we
are
responsible
for
preparing
half
of
the
fiscal
capacity
calculation
used
in
the
basic
education
program,
the
other
half
being
produced
by
the
university
of
tennessee
center
for
business
and
economic
research.
We
do
this
with
a
budget
of
3.572
million
dollars
and
that's
actually
our
request
for
this
coming
fiscal
year.
J
A
A
There's
a
there's,
just
a
wealth
of
information
there
and
a
hearing
perspectives
from
those
entities,
I
think
is,
is
very
helpful
to
the
members
who
sit
on
the
committee
and
then
I
think
that
provides
a
a
big
resource
for
you
all,
as
you
are
looking
into
issues
that
we
continually
ask
tasser
to
study.
I
do
have
questioners
on
my
list
chairman,
hawk.
H
K
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
for
being
here
as
well.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do,
there's
certainly
great
value
in
the
reports
that
you
give
to
us
and
they
go
to
formulate,
hopefully
good
and
better
policy
as
we
move
forward.
So
thank
you.
You
mentioned
eight
reports
and
then
a
plus
one
in
january.
J
Certainly
chairman,
that
study
is
brand
new,
so
we
were
actually
in
in
the
process
right
now
developing
the
research
plan.
It
was
requested
by
one
of
our
commission
members
senator
lundberg,
and
we
have
kind
of
a
two
two-sided
referral
process.
We
have
studies
that
are
referred
by
the
general
assembly,
which
are
the
bulk
of
our
studies,
but
then
commission
members
can
also
request
studies
as
well
slightly
higher
threshold
to
approve
those
for
to
be
added
to
our
work
program,
but
we
are
just
starting
on
that
study.
J
K
You
matt,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
eight
plus
one.
Is
that
a
typical
year
or
eight
eight
or
nine
requests?
Is
that
typical
and
and
maybe
some
historical
information
on
that
as
well
as
what
do
you
all
feel
your
capacity
would
be
if
we've
got
issues
that
are
burning
within
the
the
legislative
process?
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
J
So
it
it,
this
is
one
of
those
it
depends
answers.
It
really
does
depend
on
the
size
of
the
study
and
the
complexity
of
the
studies
referred
to
us.
We
like
to
use
as
a
planning
figure
anywhere
between
five
and
eight
new
studies
a
year
and
if
it's,
if
it's
something
fairly
straightforward,
like
the
tangible
personal
property
tax
that
we
can
add
that
fairly
easy.
J
G
The
annual
tasser
infrastructure
needs
survey
there's
a
couple
questions
that
since
tasha's
initial
study
in
2017
regarding
broadband,
which
I'm
very
interested
in
because
still
40
percent
of
one
of
my
counties
doesn't
have
access
to
broadband.
What
sort
of
changes
has
tasks
are
seen
in
the
state's
broadband
infrastructure
and
is
the
state's
deployment
of
the
broad
brand
infrastructure
improving.
J
A
J
So
our
internal
prioritization,
madam
chair,
would
be
for
studies
that
that
meet
either.
Are
that
clearly
meet
our
statutory
duties
or
or
the
purposes
outlined
in
the
in
our
enabling
statute,
which
are
intergovernmental
issues?
Now
it
does
get
a
bit
more
specific
and
our
purposes
outlines
anything
that
involves
the
distribution
of
state
or
local
fiscal
resources,
the
structure
of
state
or
local
governments
in
tennessee,
or
things
that
the
the
the
state
can
do
to
improve
the
performance
of
of
local
government
and
the
connection
between
those.
J
After
that,
our
prioritization
is
largely
driven
by
the
the
preference
of
the
general
assembly.
What
what
if
we
do
request
before
study
be
added
to
the
work
program?
We
prefer
that
a
study
be
requested
by
both
chambers
of
the
general
assembly,
that
that
indicates
that
a
genuine
interest
in
it
across
the
board.
J
But
beyond
that,
it's
it's
a
matter
of
capacity
and
and
and
what
more
clearly
meets
our
meets
our
mission,
it's
rare
for
something
to
come
to
us
that
you
couldn't
argue
is
intergovernmental
in
to
some
degree.
But
it's
a
matter
of
how
intergovernmental
and
if,
when
push
comes
to
shove,
it's
the
the
members
have
to
decide
which
ones
are
more
urgent
in
the
eyes
of
the
general
assembly.
A
Oh,
we
appreciate,
and
we
know
that
there
are
lots
of
times
when
we're
discussing
issues
in
committees
and
so
forth,
that
tasker's
name
gets
thrown
out.
So
you
know,
obviously
again
we
need
to
just
remind
everybody
that
there's
limited
resources
within
tasser
and
that
there
has
to
be
a
prioritization
process.
So
chairman
williams,.
L
Chairman
williams,
thank
you,
dr
lippert,
just
as
a
member
of
the
tasser,
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
you
and
your
staff,
it's
they
do
a
lot
of
work
behind
the
scenes
and
answer
a
lot
of
questions
and
a
lot
in
a
lot
of
ways
play
the
negotiator
between
between
members.
So
we
appreciate
all
the
all
the
hard
work
that
you're
doing
it's
a
it's,
a
very
important
part
of
what
we're
doing
it's
great
to
come
to
a
committee.
L
If
members
have
never
been
there
because
you
get
to
see
other
electeds
from
all
over
the
state
who
represent
the
committee
and
and
their
own
different
counties
or
cities,
I
did
hear
you
say
something
one
thing
earlier
about
tva
recurring
study
as
it
relates
to
in
lieu
of
taxes.
Could
you
email
that?
Could
you
me
email
me,
the
latest
one
of
those,
so
I
can
read
through
it
I've
I've
never
seen
that.
Thank
you.
J
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
One
final
quote:
question
I
had,
I
know
testers
done
all
type
of
different
studies
and
talks
and
committees
about
the
different
infrastructure
needs
of
tennessee,
and
I
I
was
wondering:
could
you
just
kind
of
share
with
the
committee?
What
do
you
see
is
possibly
the
greatest
infrastructure
need
in
tennessee?
What
is
there
something
that
the
legislature
needs
to
focus
on
since
you've
worked
with
so
many
of
the
local
governments,
whether
it's
from
roads
to
to
water,
to
septic
to
broadband?
J
So
I'm
going
to
give
a
general
answer
and
then
I'm
going
to
allow
our
deputy
to
maybe
go
in
a
little
bit
more
under
the
hood,
but
since
the
the
very
beginning
of
the
infrastructure
inventory
transportation
needs
have
been
the
highest
the
largest
category
by
far
other
large
categories
in
include
water
and
wastewater.
That's
why
we
were
happy
to
see
the
the
the
initiative
targeting
those
those
infrastructure
needs
is
part
of
the
the
grants
that
came
out
this
this
past
year.
J
Beyond
that
it
varies
by
area.
Education
related
needs,
education,
infrastructure,
either
new
school
facilities
or
additions
or
or
repairs
to
existing
school
facilities,
particularly
in
high
growth
areas
that
are
seeing
a
lot
of
new
students
melissa.
Is
there
anything
you
would
add
to
that?
I
don't
think
I
don't
know.
No.
There
you
go.
J
Thanks,
thank
you,
melissa.
One
of
the
things
we
are
looking
at
is
to
see
if,
if
any
of
the
structural
changes
that
have
resulted
from
the
the
the
pandemic
and
the
response
to
the
pandemic
or
causing
any
shifts
in
infrastructure
and
infrastructure
needs
in
the
way
local
governments
are
prioritizing
those
and
that's
ongoing.
A
A
You
know
our
problem
is
the
most
important
problem,
because
it's
the
most
important
problem
to
the
folks
back
home,
but
it's
great
to
have
an
organization
like
tasser
that
can
objectively
look
at
both
the
problems
and
potential
solutions
and
help
guide
us
in
a
direction
that
makes
the
most
most
highest
and
best
use
of
tennessee's
physical
resources,
as
well
as
as
other
more
intangible
resources.
So
we
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
we
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
A
M
Well,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
always
good
to
be
back
with
you.
I'm
ralph
perry,
the
executive
director
of
the
tennessee
housing
development
agency
and
with
me,
is
our
chief
financial
officer,
trent
ridley,
and
our
comptroller
and
head
of
accounting.
Joe
brown,
we'll
be
pleased
to
entertain
any
questions
you
have
for
us
this
morning.
I
do
always
like
to
lead
for
openers
by
emphasizing
the
thda
receives
no
state
appropriated
dollars,
and
we
ask
for
none
in
this
budget.
We
continue
with.
A
M
M
The
good
work
of
mr
ridley,
mr
brown
and
their
team
has
now
led
us
to
chalk
up
19
consecutive,
clean
financial
audits
from
the
comptroller's
office.
No
small
feat,
given
the
amount
of
money
that
flows
through
our
agency
each
year,
we've
also
taken
some
important
steps
to
realign
our
basic
business
model
to
make
more
use
of
the
secondary
mortgage
market
and
what
that
means
is.
M
M
Everybody's
did,
but
I'm
happy
to
say
that
even
at
these
post-covet
levels
we're
doing
more
loan
production
now
than
we
were
in
all.
But
a
handful
of
years
prior
to
2015.,
we
made
some
adjustments
last
fall.
Recognizing
that
the
biggest
obstacle
we
face
is
a
lack
of
inventory
at
entry-level
price
points
and
to
help
some
of
our
buyers
deal
with
a
rising
cost
environment.
We
made
some
changes
to
our
down
payment
program
and,
as
a
result,
we've
noticed
a
nice
uptick
in
production.
M
Since
we
did
that
in
october,
that's
the
blue
line
on
that
graph
and
the
red
triangle
that
shows
where
we
are
at
the
start
of
this
year
on
the
multi-family
side,
you're,
seeing
another
helpful
trend
caused
by
our
shift
in
in
our
secondary
market
production
in
single
family.
As
we
need
fewer
bond
resources
for
our
mortgage
business,
we
can
make
much
more
available
to
support
the
development
of
affordable
rental
housing
across
the
country
across
the
state.
M
We
administer
a
number
of
federal
programs
on
the
state's
behalf.
As
you
know,
and
in
the
last
year
we
picked
up
five
new
ones,
including
the
big
rent
relief
program
that
you've
heard
about,
and
the
homeowner
assistance
fund
that
we
administer
and
what's
more,
of
the
10
programs
that
we
already
administered,
seven
of
them
saw
a
substantial
increase
in
funding
and
program
responsibility.
M
All
this
to
say
is
we're
grateful
for
the
confidence
that
you
and
your
colleagues
and
the
governor
have
shown
in
giving
us
all
this
extra
work
to
do,
and
I
think
our
team
has
done
a
very
good
job
handling
all
of
it.
But
we
are
stretched.
Then
it
has
been
a
challenge,
so
later
this
spring,
we
will
be
requesting
authorization
for
another
49
positions.
M
The
majority
of
those
are
linked
specifically
to
these
new
and
expanded
federal
programs,
and,
as
those
programs
run
their
course
over
the
next
two
to
five
years.
Those
positions
and
the
people
in
them
will
will
leave
us
as
well
the
rest
of
the
positions
that
we'll
seek
we're
looking
to
expand
and
reorganize
our
accounting
division.
They
are
taking
on
not
just
more
work
but
more
complex
work
as
we
dive
increasingly
into
the
secondary
market.
M
We
also
need
some
additional
help
for
our
freestanding
I.t
division,
and
we
want
to
bolster
our
community
programs
division,
which
now
has
responsibility
for
over
two
dozen
state
and
federal
programs.
This
will
all
be
part
of
the
governor's
budget.
Amendment
we'll
be
back
to
discuss
that
with
you
in
as
much
detail
as
you'd
like
to
know
about
it.
I
do
want
to
emphasize
again.
There
is
no
fiscal
impact
in
any
of
this
on
the
state,
as
all
these
positions
will
be
paid
for
either
by
federal
funds
or
by
thdo's
own
operating
revenue.
A
Thank
you
and
I'll
begin,
just
as
a
quick
follow-up,
you
mentioned
the
the
new
programs,
the
rent
relief
program.
I've
heard
mixed
reviews
back
home
about
that
about,
maybe
the
difficulty
of
getting
the
dollars
distributed
to
those
who
need
it.
Sometimes
I
think
it's
been
a
communication
issue.
People
haven't
been
clear
on
how
to
access
the
dollars
or
whatever.
So
can
you
help
us?
Are
those
dollars
being
utilized
in
tennessee?
And
what
are
we
doing
if
the
answer
is
not
so
well?
A
M
We're
we
are
redoubling
our
efforts
to
work
with
non-profit
partners,
folks,
like
chattanooga
neighborhood
enterprise,
for
example,
paying
them
to
help
us
both
with
outreach
and
intake,
recognizing
that
not
everyone
may
have
ready
access
to
a
computer.
We
think
that
will
help
us
in
general,
we're
probably
making
four
million
dollars
a
month
in
payments
available
to
applicants
in
the
counties
that
we
serve.
The
four
metro
areas
running
their
own
programs
are
seeing
more
activity
as
you'd
expect
and
we've
actually
transferred
over
104
million
dollars
to
them
to
help
them
meet.
M
I
think
our
federal
colleagues
with
the
best
of
intentions
were
going
off
estimates
and
they
really
awarded
a
great
deal
more
money
than
we
are
ever
likely
to
use
what
we're
finding.
What
I
find
in
conversation
with
colleagues
around
the
country,
the
states
that
are
running
through
their
rent
relief
money
of
the
states
where
the
government
shut
everything
down
and
send
everyone
home
for
12
months.
They
have
a
lot
of
people
who
haven't
been
able
to
pay
their
rent.
M
It
really
isn't
the
experience
here
in
tennessee
or
in
most
of
the
the
southeast,
but
we
have
plenty
of
money
to
help
tennesseans
who
need
this
assistance.
Even
if
some
of
the
first
round
money
needs
to
revert
to
the
federal
government,
we
have
308
million
in
round
two
that
we
haven't
even
touched
yet
so
we'll
we'll
continue
to
try
to
serve
those
who
are
eligible.
But
I
don't
see
any
possibility
that
all
the
money
assigned
to
tennessee
will
be
used.
A
M
The
first
tranche
of
those
funds
there's
a
revision
that
a
reversion
that's
likely
to
occur
at
the
end
of
september,
for
what
we
cannot
use.
If
I
had
to
ballpark
it,
there
might
be
60
to
80
million.
That
would
go
back
then,
but
again
we
have
308
million
more
in
the
second
round
that
we
can
still
put
to
work
for
another
three
years,
though
you
know.
As
a
personal
note,
I'd
I'd
have
to
wonder
if
someone
still
needs
rent
relief
in
2025,
whether
that's
a
covet
issue
or
or
something.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lady
and
good
morning.
Good
morning
I
have
three
questions
regarding
low
income
energy
assistance
program.
Tennessee
has
received
additional
funding
for
the
program
through
federal
covert
relief
to
help
families
struggling
with
the
cost
of
home
heating.
First
question:
how
many
citizens
typically
apply
for
the
program?
Has
there
been
an
increase
in
the
applicants
during
the
pandemic.
M
M
We
distribute
those
funds
through
a
network
of
local
agencies
and
they
handle
the
intake
and
those
payments
we'll
see
if
we
have
some
specific
numbers
in
our
report
for
you,
but
as
it's
explained
to
me
more
often
than
not,
these
are
just
larger
payments
that
are
going
out
to
individuals
to
help
with
those
costs
and,
of
course,
part
of
you
know
part
of
the
the
effort
through
rent
relief
is
we
help
people
catch
up
on
if
they
are
overdue
or
behind
on
those
payments?
Okay,
medic.
K
K
M
M
So
I
think
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
with
that
we
have
noticed
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Last
year,
our
website
attracted
1.8
million
unique
visitors,
so
I
think
people
are
they.
They
know
where
to
look
for
the
information,
and
we
have
a
great
network
of
local
partners
in
memphis
who
can
help
us
directly
reach
the
customers
most
likely
need
that
help.
Thank
you.
M
Not
for
not
for
lie
heap
not
for
weatherization.
No,
I
think
that
the
main
the
main
point
of
concern
for
us
is
rent
relief
and
there
again,
I
think
folks
were
just
going
off
estimates
of
what
was
going
to
be
needed
and
they
guessed
low
in
some
states
and
they
guessed
rather
high
in
others
and
we're
one
of
the
ones
where
I
think
they
guessed
high.
Okay,
thank
you
my
pleasure.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
our
director
prairie
good,
seeing
you
again,
sir.
Thank
you
appreciate
what
you
and
your
team
do
for
our
tennesseans.
You
mentioned.
You
may
have
answered
this
question
already,
but
you
talked
about
the
308
million
dollars.
Can
that
be
used
to
help
low
to
moderate
income
homeowners
who
fall
behind
on
their
payments
to
make
their
mortgage
payments
during
this.
M
M
Yes,
okay,
yeah
I
mean
it
was.
This
was
the
big
appropriation
made
last
april
to
our
chagrin,
it
took
treasury.
You
know
about
nine
months
to
to
tell
us
we
could
proceed
with
it.
We
were
ready
earlier
than
that,
but
we
think
that'll
be
a
big
help.
We
can
help
bring
people
current
on
their
mortgage
without
financial
penalty
or
credit
damage
to
them.
M
If
they
remain
in
a
in
a
hardship
situation
where
their
income
hasn't
recovered,
we
can
even
help
pay
for
up
to
six
more
months
of
assistance
up
to
a
certain
dollar
amount.
We
think
that
will
that
will
really
help
an
awful
lot
of
people
who
fell
behind
for
no
reason
other
than
cove
would
cost
them
a
loss
of
income.
Okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
My
pleasure.
Thank
you.
Manager.
A
M
A
M
M
It
requires
a
master
agreement
that
the
nation's
largest
loan
servicers
need
to
agree
to,
and
I
think
that
took
a
long
time
and
then
they
they
insisted
on
reviewing
each
and
every
state
plan
and
we
got
late
in
the
year
and
said
you
know,
look
we're
not
going
to
launch
this
between
thanksgiving
and
christmas,
no
one
will
notice
so
they
approved
us
january
4.
We
started
january
10.,
we're
pleased
with
the
way
that's
working
so
far.
A
M
You
know
for
our
pull-through
rate:
it's
pretty
much,
we
haven't,
we
don't
return.
We
don't
turn
down
very
many
people
for
eligibility
reasons
generally
the
ones
who
don't
make
it
through
our
portal
because
they
live
in
one
of
the
communities
running
their
own
program
and
we
refer
them
over.
We
get
a
couple
people
from
north
georgia
who
applied
and
we
sent
them
to
our
friends
in
atlanta.
B
M
On
the
the
rental
assistant,
will
you
know
there
are
only
so
many
vouchers
and
the
demand
everywhere
in
the
country
far
exceeds
the
supply
of
vouchers
that
any
of
us
have
we're
facing
the
same
issue
that
memphis
housing
authority
and
mdha
and
every
other
issuer
of
vouchers.
Has
it's
been
especially
challenging
this
year?
Because
even
if
we
give
someone
a
voucher,
it
is
more
difficult
than
it's
been
for
them
to
find
a
place
where
they
can
use
it.
M
M
B
M
Well,
you
know,
I
think
it's
more
expensive,
almost
everywhere
than
it
used
to
be,
and
the
big
driver
in
that
is
simply
a
lack
of
supply
for
homes.
You
can
buy
at
an
entry-level
price
point
and
a
lack
of
rental
housing
compared
to
the
need,
we're
a
fast-growing
state,
and
you
know
it's
simple
supply
and
demand.
If
someone
can
charge
an
extra
200
a
month
for
an
apartment,
that's
exactly
what
they're
doing
you'll
notice!
You
know
going
back
a
couple
of
slides.
M
I
don't
know
if
I
can
do
that
there
it
is
you
see
that
we've
significantly
increased
the
amount
of
resources
we've
put
into
developing
affordable
rental
housing.
This
is
tax-exempt
bond
financing,
coupled
with
non-competitive
four
percent
tax
credits,
our
regular
tax
credit
program,
so
we're
pr
we're
producing
more
units
than
we
ever
had,
but
the
overall
pressure
on
prices
either
for
purchase
or
for
rent.
We
we
just
have
to
build
more
housing.
You
know
if
you
have
85
people
today,
moving
to
the
greater
nashville
area,
they've
all
got
to
live
somewhere.
B
M
B
I
can
my
next
and
last
question
is
what
age
groups
are
you
seeing
applying
the
most
for
your
vouchers
and
on
behalf
of
young
people?
Do
you
see
credit
and
student
loans
being
a
bigger
barrier
for
us
to
be
able
to
receive
affordable
housing
or
be
able
to
apply
to
get
a
home
or
any
of
those
things?
Well,.
M
The
first
question:
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
a
specific
age
breakdown
on
our
voucher
population.
I
would
I
imagine
that
what
you
mostly
see
are
our
single
moms.
So
you
know
those
those
age
groups.
As
for
student
loan
debt
it
it
is,
it
is
a
concern
and
it
probably
does
hold
back
young
people
who
have
a
high
debt
and
not
a
high
income
to
go
with
it.
M
We
one
of
the
advantages
of
being
able
to
add
a
conventional
loan
product
to
our
mix,
is
that
they
treat
student
loan
debt
a
little
more
favorably
for
applicants,
so
we
find
that
some
will
be
able
to
more
readily
get
into
a
home
there.
But
you
know
that's
that's
a
larger
issue
than
we
can
solve
by
ourselves.
B
Comments,
yes,
ma'am!
Yes,
because
you
know,
as
a
young
person
who
also
is
having
trouble
and
I'm
thinking
about
the
whole
housing
aspect.
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
get
denied
is
these
student
loans,
but
it's
forced
down
our
throat
or
we
can't
go
to
college
and
potentially
get
a
higher
job.
B
If
we
don't
take
our
student
loans,
and
so
I
would
love
if
they're
in
the
future
can
or
relatively
soon
can
be
a
conversation
with
all
of
these
different
entities
about
how
do
we
allow
our
rising
economic
base
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
housing
opportunities,
but
not
further
put
ourselves
in
debt,
where
we
can't
have
those
opportunity
double
what
a
mortgage
should
be
for
rent?
So
it's
a
big
issue.
M
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
have
some
regulators
looking
at
issues
of
how
how
one
scores
student
in
in
assessing
mortgage
credit
and
a
couple
of
other
things
like
that.
As
I
say,
that's
that's
a
larger
thing
than
we
at
thda
would
have
control
over,
but
what
we
try
to
do
is
have
a
variety
of
mortgage
products
that
might
provide
a
little
more
flexibility.
K
M
Well,
it
depends
depends
on
what
what
they
need
help
with.
If,
if
they're
interested
in
home
ownership
sending
them
to
our
consumer
web
page,
they
can
get
information
on
the
product,
the
down
payment
options
available
to
them
a
list
of
all
the
lenders
in
your
district
who
participate
in
the
program,
that's
a
good
place
to
start
and
also
a
reference
to
the
agencies
that
provide
home
ownership
counseling.
That
could
walk
them
through
each
step
and
really
prepare
them
for
the
mortgage
application.
M
But
if,
if
someone
has
a
specific
question
for
you,
sir
and
you're,
not
sure
where
to
send
them,
you
know
are
our
west
tennessee
representative
doreen
graves
would
be
an
excellent
first
contact
and
let
her
troubleshoot
and
get
your
client
in
in
touch
with
the
right
person
to
thda
or
our
partner
agency.
Who
can
help
you.
K
M
We
have
an
ongoing
outreach
and
information
effort
and-
and
I
know
that
our
local
partners
do-
we
want
to
make
sure
that
anybody
is
potentially
eligible
for
rental
assistance
or
homeowner
assistance
knows
about
it.
They're,
certainly
going
to
get
that
information
from
their
loan,
servicers
and
landlords
who
would
like
to
be
paid.
So
we
we
continue
those
efforts,
but
I
can't
guarantee
that
everyone
who
ought
to
know
about
it
does.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Madam
chair
representative,
lamar,
asked
the
question.
I
was
going
to
ask
about
affordable
housing,
but
if
we
could,
after
this
get
together
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
impact,
I
believe
this
affordable
housing
is
gonna
have
on
the
people
in
and
around
the
impending
blue
oval
city.
C
M
Pleased
to
do
it
we're
already
chatting
with
our
colleagues
at
ecd
about
what
they
expect
the
demand
to
be,
and
there's
obviously
going
to
be
a
need
for
for
housing
at
affordable
price
points,
as
part
of
that,
and
we're
going
to
look
forward
to
being
able
to
provide
some
resources
to
help.
With
that
be
pleased
to
talk
with
you,
man.
L
Thank
you,
mr
brewers.
Good
to
see
you
appreciate
you
very
much
I
I
do
want
to
say
for
those
members
that
don't
know
this,
I
do
serve
on
the
habitat
state
board
and
thda
and
mr
brewer
have
been
a
huge
partner
for
habitats
and
if
you
have
a
habitat
in
your
district,
it's
a
big
thanks
to
you.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
the
graph
that
you
have
on
the
on
the
one
of
my
colleagues
here
in
the
house.
L
I
guess
the
question
would
be:
do
you
think
a
continuation
of
these
tax
incentives
for
notes
for
low-income
housing
is
providing
the
result
that
we'd
hoped
and
that
rental
rates
would
stay
down,
or
are
you
seeing
that,
like
in
my
district,
where
somebody
increased
rent
on
from
twelve
hundred
dollars
to
sixteen
hundred
dollars
for
a
two
bedroom,
two
bath
overnight,
yeah,
so
it
if
they're
qualifying
for
these
incentive
programs?
You
would
think
that
the
rental
rent
would
be
more.
M
The
tax
credit
program
is
an
irs
program
and,
as
you
know,
the
irs
doesn't
have
a
customer
service
desk.
They
they
have
tight
rules,
they
have
tight
rules,
and
you
know
both
your
the
income
of
the
people
who
can
live
there
and
the
amount
of
rent
that
you
can
charge
them
are
set
at
the
federal
level.
M
I
would
point
out
that
nothing
affordable
is
built
in
this
state
or
any
other
without
the
support
of
subsidies
like
the
housing
tax
credit
or
the
tax-exempt
bond
financing
that
agencies
like
ours
can
provide
so
to
the
extent
that
affordable
housing
is
being
built.
It's
through
these
these
programs-
and
I
think
they
work
very,
very
well
the
tax
credits
I
mean
those
are
a
federal
issue,
they're,
not
on
the
state's
book.
M
It
is
often
necessary
for
local
governments
to
consider
the
property
tax
impact
of
some
of
these,
just
because
they
are
obliged
to
consider
the
value
of
the
tax
credit
equity
in
the
deal
when
they're
figuring
the
liability.
That
is
a
long
and
complicated
issue,
but
it's
largely
been
resolved
at
the
local
level.
So
it's
not
an
impediment
for
us
and
we're
finding
that
you
know
the
favorable
bond
market
and
some
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
in
the
bond
program
federally.
M
I
I
I
M
You
thank
you
leader,
you,
you
mentioned
a
very
good
point,
because
we
we
took
a
look
at
this
at
the
start
of
the
program
and
you
know,
while
everyone
thinks
landlords,
they
think
of
large
property
management
companies.
But
more
than
half
the
rental
units
in
this
state
are
in
the
hands
of
what
you
might
call
mom
and
pop
landlords,
and
they
don't
have
deep
pockets.
And
if
someone
says
you
can't
collect
rent
for
18
months,
that
that's
a
hardship
and
you
know
looking
down
the
road.
M
If
we
lose
those
landlords,
we
lose
some
more
affordable
housing
or
if
a
hedge
fund
comes
in
and
buys
up
those
properties,
we
likely
lose
them
as
affordable
housing,
so
being
able
to
both
help
the
renter
stay
in
a
stable
home
and
financially
shore
up,
especially
those
mom
and
pop
landlords.
That's
been
a
big
benefit
of
the
program.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
too.
I've
had
a
couple
of
occasions
where
someone
receiving
federal
assistance
for
an
appointment
they've
had
some
issues
with
the
apartment
they
needed
repairs
and
all
that
and
I
was
able
to
call
thda
and
get
them
assistance
and
get
them
help
and
those
problems
were
fixed,
and
I
can't
thank
you
all
enough
for
being
so
responsive
and
helping
my
constituents.
A
A
O
Okay,
I'm
ashley
howell
the
executive
director
of
the
tennessee
state
museum.
I
have
with
me
sabrina
hooper,
who
is
deputy
director
of
the
state
museum,
so
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
activities
of
the
museum.
I'll,
be
brief
to
allow
time
for
questions,
but
overall,
our
budget
submission
only
includes
a
modest
increase,
just
based
on
cost.
O
We
did
have
a
focus
on
retention
of
current
employees,
such
as
listening
to
presentations.
There's
been
some
conversation
of
increase
of
employees.
We
are
focused
on
retention
of
employees,
so
we're
looking
at
funding
for
a
couple
of
job
classifications,
but
also
we
we're
evaluating
each
of
our
positions
to
see
if
we
can
do
equity
increases
with
the
current
budget.
O
O
It's
hard
to
prepare
for
a
move
and
also
acquire
at
the
same
time.
So
we'll
talk
about
that
shift
a
little
bit
later
in
this
presentation,
but
overall
at
the
museum,
we
are
seeing
an
increase
in
attendance
this
fiscal
year
for
the
first
six
months
of
this
fiscal
year.
We
have
welcomed
51
900
visitors
for
the
same
period.
Last
year
we
welcomed
twenty
two
thousand
one
hundred
fifteen
pitchers.
O
So
in
the
first
six
months
we've
seen
more
visitors
than
we
did
the
entire
fiscal
year
last
year,
so
we're
the
pandemic
has
definitely
changed
operations.
So
that's
just
an
example
of
of
how
it's
coming
back,
but
since
we
have
opened
the
new
facility
in
october
of
2018,
we
have
welcomed
more
than
375
a
thousand
visitors
to
the
new
tennessee
state
museum.
O
One
thing
that
just
the
change
in
operations:
we
have
escalated
our
virtual
field
trips,
so
we
still
have
field
trips
on
site
and
we
also
have
programs
like
our
traveling
trunks,
teacher
workshops
and
other
engagement
programs
throughout
the
state.
So
just
a
couple
of
metrics
about
that
field,
trips
have
resumed
for
the
first
half
of
this
fiscal
year.
The
museum
has
served
4
218
students
in
from
81
schools
from
17
counties.
O
This
exhibition
is
on
view
through
february
20th.
Our
next
exhibition
is
painting
the
smoke
smokey's
art
community
and
the
making
of
a
national
park.
The
exhibition
will
feature
five
artists
within
our
collection,
charles
crutch,
thomas
campbell,
rudolph
ingertly
will
henry
stevenson
lewis
jones,
and
these
five
artists,
who
painted
the
smokies
in
the
early
1900s,
will
help
demonstrate
the
ways
in
which
our
product
attention
activism
tourism
to
the
region,
which
culminated
in
the
dedication
of
the
great
smoky
mountain
national
park.
O
In
addition,
the
state
museum
is
working
with
the
department
of
general
services
to
plan
for
a
new
collection
storage
facility.
This
is
something
that
has
been
in
the
works,
revised
plans
with
the
architect
which
general
services
are
underway,
and
this
project
was
approved
by
the
state
building
commission
in
december.
O
So
this
project
will
provide
our
state's
collection,
the
adequate
storage,
the
adequate
environmental
controls,
the
collection
that's
currently
being
housed
in
the
polk
building
not
far
from
here,
and
so
we
are
working
to
essentially
vacate
that
space
and,
if
you've
ever
moved
houses
or
have
helped
somebody
move
from
a
house
imagine
being
in
space
for
40
years,
so
we
are
preparing
for
this
move.
We
started
on
the
project
now,
even
that
move
will
take
place
for
a
couple
of
years.
O
In
addition,
we
are
also
planning
for
a
departure
from
the
tennessee
war
memorial
building,
as
that
building
is
getting
ready
for
renovation,
and
that
is
the
space
that
we
have
been
in
since
the
war
memorial
opened
in
1925.
So
we
just
have
some
big
projects
out
about
cinches
preparing
for
these
moves.
O
So
with
that,
I
will
say
the
projects
that
advise
the
ongoing
programs,
the
upcoming
exhibitions,
everything
that
that
we
are
undertaking
this
year
next
year
in
the
coming
years.
It's
just
a
great
addition
to
army
sims
85th
year
as
we
are
celebrating
this
year,
and
we
continue
towards
our
mission
to
procure
preserve,
exhibit
and
interpret
objects
which
relate
to
the
history
of
tendency
and
tennessee.
So
thank
you
and
with
that
I'll
see,
if
there's
any
questions,
thank
you
so
much.
A
Director,
I
just
want
to
say,
as
a
member
of
the
board
for
the
museum,
I'm
really
proud
of,
of
what
you
all
do
there
and
I
think,
under
your
leadership,
the
museum
is
has
moved
to
another
level
and
I
think
it's
a
great
resource
for
tennesseans
and
I'm
always
encouraging
people
to
you
know.
I
know
we
have
the
virtual
tours,
but
I
think
there's
definitely
something
to
be
said
for
seeing
it
in
person
and
again
I
know
it's
old
news,
but
the
work
that
you
all
did
through
the
anniversary
of
the
suffrage
was
just
amazing.
A
So
you
do
great
work
and
I
am,
I
feel,
your
pain
when
we're
talking
about
moving
from
some
place
that
where
things
have
been
stored
for
a
very
long
time,
I
moved
a
couple
of
years
ago
from
a
house
that
I've
been
in
for
almost
30
years,
and
I
still
have
boxes
that
I
moved
there
and
I
moved
them
again.
They
still
hadn't
been
unpacked.
A
I
probably
don't
need
it,
but
again,
there's
just
a
lot
to
sort
through
and
a
lot
to
do
and
they're
huge
projects,
but
I'm
I'm
really
pleased
that
the
acquisitions
we're
going
to
have
a
place
for
the
the
things
we
can't
display.
Everything
at
once,
there's
just
too
much
stuff
so
storing
them
properly,
and
all
that
is,
is
a
huge
issue
for
the
museum
to
deal
with,
and
it's
important
that
we
hang
on
to
that
history.
A
So
thank
you
for
the
work
you
and
your
staff
and
just
moving
through
a
very
difficult
time
with
when
the
visitors.
If
visitors
don't
come,
then
they
aren't
buying
things
in
the
gift
shop.
There's
just
again
a
lot
of
ripple
effects
from
that
and
you
all
have
work
through
it
and
are
coming
out
on
the
other
side.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that,
and
I
think
this
committee
would
recognize
the
job
well
done.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
so
very
much
for
being
here.
I
certainly
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing
with
the
state,
the
state
museum,
what
an
extraordinary
building
and
it's
just
a
fabulous
facility
so
kudos
to
you
and
your
staff.
We
really
appreciate
all
you
do
for
storing
all
of
our
history
in
tennessee
and
speaking
of
that,
I
know
that
the
the
cook
chill
building
was
damaged
in
what
march
of
22
of
the
tornado.
B
O
O
So
it
is
in
a
different
location.
So,
in
terms
of
the
appropriation
last
year
and
the
the
challenges
that
we
faced,
the
polk
building,
where
the
where
the
old
museum
was
and
where
the
majority
of
the
collection
is
it
has
it
had
some
issues.
We
have
water.
So
we
have
leaks,
we
have
environmental
issues,
kind
of
keeping
constant
temperatures
which
are
which
is
important
to
the
care
of
the
collection.
O
So
we
are
mitigating
that
the
best
we
can
and
in
the
interim.
So
what
that
one
time
appropriation
was
for
was
to
help
us
kind
of
get
to
the
project
budget.
So
we
brought
in
conservators
to
help
us
with
some
of
the
artifacts
that
were
at
risk
because
of
those
conditions
we
are
taking
each
artifact
and
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
the
skill
of
the
collection.
O
Our
database
has
124
000
records
of
different
artifacts
in
the
collection,
so
each
of
those
artifacts
gets
looked
at
reviewed,
packed
for
long
for
the
move,
but
also
potentially
long-term
storage.
So
so
all
of
this
effort
we've
started
and
that
million
dollar
appropriation
helped
us
to
get
started,
but
also
to
kind
of
look
at
this
project
and
say
how
do
we
start
and
how
do
we
do
this?
That's
appropriate
for
the
collection,
that's
not
a
strain
on
resources
and
doing
it
methodically.
O
So
it's
everything
from
the
conservation
of
metal
to
a
review
of
vehicles
in
the
collection
to
a
con
to
looking
at
textiles,
and
then
we
are
utilizing
temporary
storage
spaces
as
well.
So
we
have
converted
the
backup
house
of
the
bill
haslam
center,
where
we
had
a
space
for
exhibition,
prep
and
short-term
artifact
storage,
we've
converted
that
to
artifact
storage,
which
we're
so
we
gained
some
square
footage
there
and
they're
also
working
with
general
services
on
other
storage
spaces,
just
to
kind
of
help
us
get
to
that
point.
B
O
So
we
are
actively
working
towards
this
project,
so
I
hesitate
to
answer
that,
since
it
should
be
a
general
services
to
answer,
but
working
with
them,
we
are
in
the
design
phase
for
the
building.
We
have
plants
for
the
building.
We
are
fine
tuning
that
so
we
are
in
the
early
design
phase.
We
hope
to
have
design
set
by
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
to
start
the
process,
so
just
depending
how
long
construction
takes
and
going
through
that
process
with
general
services.
O
You
know
what
I
want
them,
where
I
want.
The
museum
to
be
is
ready
for
the
move
at
that
point.
So
all
of
this
prep
work,
that's
happening
all
of
the
conservation
that's
happening.
You
know
we.
We
want
to
be
ready
as
soon
as
essentially
we
get
the
keys
or
what
whatever
the
terminology
would
be,
that
we're
ready
to
to
move
in
the
first
artifacts,
and
it
will
take
us
weeks,
if
not
months,
to
actually
complete
the
the
actual
move.
So
it's
a
big
project,
good.
B
O
O
I
would
say
the
quote:
unquote.
Great
resignation
has
affected
the
tennessee
state
museum
and
has
affected
us
because
the
competition
outside
of
the
state,
so
we
we
have
individuals
who
leave
for
a
higher
salary
or
greater
opportunity,
so
it
is
definitely
interrupted
operations,
especially,
I
think
about
those
individuals
who
have
given
so
much
time
and
effort
in
researching
art
collection
who
are
subject
matter,
experts
on
the
collection
or
tennessee
history.
O
If
that
individual
leaves
we're
essentially
starting
fresh
and
so
especially
something
like
a
collection
move,
you
know
that
expertise
and
that
knowledge
is
so
important.
I
do
we
we
looked
at
this
when
we
looked
at
our
budget
submission
and
just
to
kind
of
give
some
metrics
to
this.
We
had
18
vacancies
from
june
2020
through
october
of
2021
of
those
vacancies.
We
had
five
retirements,
eight
employees
cited
low
pay
and
no
mobility.
O
B
O
I
would
say
when
we
opened
the
museum,
I
mean
we
exceeded
expectations.
I
mean
it
was
more
visitation
that
we
planned,
for
you
know
it's
all
we
could
do
to.
You
know
offer
as
many
programs
as
the
public
desired
the
number
of
events
hosting
events.
You
know
the
competition
even
for
available
dates
to
have
events
and
you're
right.
I
mean
the
painting
definitely
changed
that
so
we
saw
attendance
once
we
reopened.
O
It
was
about
a
quarter
of
what
it
was
pre-pandemic.
So
the
good
news
is
we're.
We've
seen
a
dramatic
increase,
especially
from
this
summer,
so
of
course
started
for
fiscal
year
sort
of
into
this
year
and
which
is
a
positive
we're
still
not
back
to
that
level.
So
we're
you
know
we're
looking
at
our
advertising,
we're
looking
at
her
outreach,
we're
looking
at
our
programs,
but
I
would
also
say.
O
O
This
saturday
surrounding
the
tennessee
craft,
show
that
talks
about
black
craftsmen
in
history,
but
also
currently.
So
it's
this
great
kind
of
sort
of
look
at
not
only
this
historic
look,
but
also
what
is
happening
now,
and
so
it's
an
all
day
at
fair,
and
you
know
essentially
it
sold
out,
and
you
know
we
just
asked
for
reservations-
there's
no
charge,
but
so
we
hope
we're
hopeful
for.
B
What's
to
come
that
that
is
wonderful.
I
I
hope
this
summer
everybody
will
get
back
to
normal
and
start
really
taking
advantage
of
the
beautiful
things
at
our
state
museum.
It's
just
so
interesting
and
you
have
another
question
about.
You
have
a
youtube
page.
I
don't
know
if
a
lot
of
people
know
about
that.
I've
spent
some
time
exploring
it.
There's
videos
on
there
for
children,
which
is
just
great,
and
I
am
going
to
share
them
with
my
six
grandchildren.
B
O
So
that
was
a
new
position
and
then
we
have
also
added
positions
in
education,
focused
on
virtual
learning
and
building
the
skill
set
of
video.
So
we
did
that
we
escalated
that
during
the
pandemic.
So
I
would
say
that
is
a
positive
sort
of
having
to
sort
of
shift
operations
and
so
we're
looking
at
those
positions.
O
And
how
do
we
kind
of
kind
of
keep
those
positions
and
not
only
sort
of
add
to
those
positions
and
look
at
the
job
classification
to
to
really
keep
that
expertise
on
staff,
because
that
week
is
why
we're
not
doing
a
video
for
a
school
or
doing
a
video
for
story
time
or
we're
doing
a
video
in
our
digital
learning
center.
So
we
definitely
have
the
expertise
on
staff
and
it's
becoming
more
of
a
demand
for
our
staff.
L
Thank
you
just
a
quick
question
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
what
you
presented
on
today,
but
something
that
bothers
me.
So
one
of
the
challenges
that
that
I
have
as
a
state
representative
who
lives
an
hour
away,
is
in
10
years
of
service.
I've
had
one
class
come
to
nashville,
it
becomes
very.
We
have
spent
200
over
200
million
dollars
on
a
museum,
library
and
archives
over
the
last
several
years.
L
Has
the
museum
ever
petitioned
the
the
governor,
as
it
relates
to
a
fund
where
we
could
help
pay
for
buses
for
kids.
It's
just
very
difficult,
because
if
we
really
want
to
get
kids
involved
in
the
civics
process
and
understand
what
it
means
to
be
a
tennessee
and
in
our
place
as
it
relates
to
the
united
states
of
america,
we
have
no
better
place
to
show
than
that
than
right
here
and
it.
It
is
a
little
bit
frustrating.
L
I
looked
into
it
myself
and
I
thought
I
wonder
what
it
really
costs,
but
it
costs
about
twelve
hundred
dollars
to
bring
a
busload
of
kids
just
to
get
them
in
the
bus
and
bring
them
up
here.
Forget
about
feeding
them
lunch
and
everything,
and
so
I
guess
the
thought
was
over
time.
Could
we
consider
talking
to
the
administration
about
the
possibility
of
creating
a
fund
where
schools
could
find
a
lottery?
They
could
apply
for
the
opportunity
to
come
here
if
they
really
want
to
do
it.
L
So
we're
not
we're
not
giving
them
something
that
they
really
don't
want
to
do,
because
I
think
it
would
really
stimulate
growth
and
learning
in
our
students
that
we
haven't
seen
before,
because
we've
all
had
the
opportunity
to
go
to
the
museum
and
to
visit
our
capitol
and
and
to
go
to
the
old
facility,
and
it
was.
It
was
still
very
monumental
time
for
any
kids
that
you
can
bring
there,
but
most
of
our
us
have
brought
our
kids
but
or
grandkids
or
or
whoever,
but
it
it
just
seems
like.
L
We
need
to
find
a
better
way
to
make
it
more
accessible,
because
there's
nothing
like
seeing
a
virtual
tour
and
there's
nothing
like
seeing
it
on
youtube.
But
coming
and
putting
your
hand
on
the
on
the
stairwell
and
walking
up.
The
steps
is
dramatically
different,
so
anyways
just
just
a
thought.
Thank
you.
A
A
N
O
N
O
So
at
this
time
it's
pretty
early
in
the
process,
but
we
have
been
in
discussions
with
general
services
about
the
space,
and
this
is
the
renovation
of
not
war
memorial,
which
is
a
separate
renovation,
but
legislative,
plaza
and
essentially
about
half
of
that
space
would
be
comprised
of
exhibit
space.
That
would
be
military
exhibits.
O
So
we
operate
the
military
branch
museum
now
in
war
memorial.
This
is
a
place
where
we
can
sort
of
expand
that
display,
but
also
narrative
that
is
still
connected
to
the
war
memorial
building.
In
addition,
the
thought
is,
we
would
also
have
to
display
to
talk
about
the
history
of
the
tennessee
state
capitol,
so
this
could
be.
G
Real
quick
just
want
to
appreciate
the
work
you
do
and,
and
it's
just
a
beautiful
museum
down
there
just
to
pick
up
on
what
chairman
williams
said.
You
know
just
share
a
quick
personal
story.
I
can
remember
being
in
the
in
the
fourth
grade.
I
was
one
kid
that
couldn't
go
to
the
field
trip
at
sam
davis
homes.
G
G
How
many
representatives
came
up
here
is
in
grade
school
lambert,
you
know
it's
just,
but
it
does
plant
that
seed
to
get
people
interested,
and
I
appreciate
the
good
work
y'all
are
doing
because
you
know
all
of
us
came
up
and
and
it
I
never
not
thought
I'd
ever
be
a
state
lawmaker.
You
know
going
through
that
little
field
trip,
but
when
I
take
them
steps
I
often
think
about
that
bus
being
parked
there
and
the
students.
A
I
I
So
I
just
want
to
say
again
thank
you
just
personally
for
every
time
my
family's
been
in
the
museum
and
if
you've
not
been
there,
if
you're,
not
taking
the
tour,
whether
you're,
watching
this
today
or
you're
on
this
committee,
please
go
down
and
just
go
through
it.
It's
our
state
museum,
it's
it's
our
historical
treasures
and
it's
in
a
fantastic
location.
So
thank
you
for
your
leadership.
Thanks
for
everything
that
you
guys
do
we
really
appreciate
y'all.
A
Again,
we
have,
I
hope,
that
you
know
from
the
comments
on
this
panel
how
much
we
appreciate
the
work
that
you
all
do,
and
the
history
that
that
you
are
caretakers
of
for
the
state
for
all
tennesseans.
So
thank
you
for
being
here
today
we're
going
to
take
a
15-minute
break.
While
we
wait
for
our
our
next
group
to
to
show
up
and
there
courtesy
of
chairman
williams,
there
are
some
refreshments
in
the
conference
room
behind.
So
if
you
haven't
availed
yourself
of
those
yet
feel
free.
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Our
budget
request
is
for
31.3
million
160
positions,
no
supplemental
funding
request,
no
reductions
made
to
the
base
budget,
no
proposed
capital
operating
improvements,
no
anticipated
loss
of
one-time
funding.
We
did
not
receive
direct
funding
for
covered
relief,
nor
did
we
redirect
any
federal
covert
relief
funding
to
projects.
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Let
me
provide
some
brief
background
information
and
speak
to
our
goals
and
issues
that
we're
working
on.
Of
course,
our
mission
ensures
safe
and
sound
banking
system,
but
put
institutions
in
a
position
to
contribute
to
economic
progress.
We
simply
call
that
regulatory
balance.
We
try
to
tailor
our
regulation
to
the
circumstances
of
each
institution.
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We
engage
in
four
basic
activities:
applications
to
determine
who
enters
the
banking
system
exams
to
determine
condition
and
compliance
enforcement
actions.
If
there
are
issues
in
consumer
education,
which
is
absolute
key
to
a
safe
and
sound
banking
system,
the
condition
of
banks
and
credit
unions
is
good.
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The
conference
of
state
bank
supervisors,
which
is
the
professional
organization
of
state
banking
commissioners,
developed
a
model
law
for
money
services.
Businesses
has
included
a
digital
asset
section
that
is
intended
to
encourage
consistency
in
state
level
regulation
we're
looking
closely
at
that
model
law.
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D
The
community
banking
sector
within
the
state
is
beginning
to
think
through
customer
demand
for
digital
assets,
primarily
through
partnerships
with
established
fintechs.
Some
banks
are
making
investments
in
this
area.
Some
banks
have
explored
opportunities
to
leverage
blockchain
technology
and,
while
there
are
some
risks
to
certain
digital
asset
activity,
such
as
digital
asset
value
volatility,
cyber
security
risk,
some
cryptocurrency
exchanges
might
be
vulnerable
to
being
hacked
or
being
targets
of
other
criminal
activity.
D
There's
also
numerous
potential
benefits
as
well,
such
as
low
cost
easy
transactions
serving
the
unbanked
and
being
a
potential
hedge
against
inflation.
So
our
department
is
constantly
reviewing
this
ever-changing
area,
we're
watching
what
the
federal
government
is
doing
may
be
doing
we're
also
having
dialogue
with
financial
institutions
and
working
through
risk
issues.
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A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
know
it's
it's
mind-boggling.
When
you
look
at
the
growth
and
the
assets
that
you
all
are
overseeing
from
2014
to
2021,
you
know
over
six
and
a
half
times
about
so
before
we
get
started
with
other
questions.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
growth,
but
I
want
you
to
tell
me
if
I'm
right
or
wrong,
we
passed
some
legislation
in
the
state
regarding
trust
and
so.
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We
have
other
institutions
that
are
considering
coming
here
as
well,
so
we
appreciate
that
we.
We
also
think
that
our
regulatory
approach
has
been
helpful.
You
know
we're
going
to
ensure
the
integrity
of
operations
and
the
integrity
of
the
system,
but
you
know
I
just
met
with
a
group
earlier
this
week
from
out
of
state
that
has
just
put
operations
in
tennessee
and
really
in
looking
at
tennessee
and
other
places
that
they
could
have
gone.
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Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Excuse
me
well,
commissioner,
gonzalez
good
seeing
you,
sir,
and
you
know
I
was
reading
your
bio
before
we
got
here
today
and
you've
been
in
this
department
since
1986,
correct
wow.
I
guess
you've
seen
a
lot
of
change
in
the
technology
of
the
banking
industry
and
such
that's
just
amazing,
and
we
appreciate
your
dedicated
service
to
the
state
of
tennessee.
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That's
that's
probably
thank
you
for
that
question
because
that's
probably
the
the
biggest
change
that
has
developed
out
of
the
pandemic
for
us.
You
know
we
had
committed
to
governor
lee
right
after
he'd
taken
office
to
do
more
off-site
activity
and
we
were
going
to
increase
our
offsite
exam
activity.
D
You
know
during
his
first
four
years
in
office.
Little
did
we
know
that
we
would
go
a
hundred
percent
off-site,
not
in
four
years
but
in
four
weeks.
So
our
our
folks
did
a
tremendous
job
in
sts
in
being
able
to
help
us
with
the
technology
to
be
able
to
do
that
was
critical
and
we
did
that
federal
regulators
did
it.
Financial
institutions
obviously
did
their
part
in
being
able
to
to
partner
with
this
an
offside
activity.
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I
will
say
that
when
health
concerns
are
not
such
that
they're
as
much
of
a
concern
from
an
examination
standpoint,
what
we
want
to
do
is
engage
in
a
hybrid
exam,
so
you
know
it
still
may
be
a
hundred
percent
off-site
for
some
institutions,
because
the
conditions
may
permit
it
for
other
institutions.
Maybe
the
conditions
warn
us
to
be
in
for
part
of
the
time,
and
we
do
have
some
banks
that
say
that
they
want
us
in
for
certain
reviews,
so
we're
just
going
to
do
this
on
a
bank
by
bank
base.
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That
is
a
great
question
and
we've
talked
about
that
quite
a
bit
including
this
week,
so
because
of
the
growth
that
we've
had,
we've
we've
needed
more
bank
examiners.
We
just
you,
don't
have
enough.
You
know
when
you
go
from
70
billion
to
nearly
450
billion.
You
have
to
build
staff
and
in
particular
areas
as
well,
such
as
I.t,
of
course,
I.t
difficult.
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Last
year
at
some
point
during
the
year
I
remember
telling
the
administration
that
we
did
hire
13
new
bank
examiners,
but
at
the
same
time
we
lost
eight.
So
it's
two
steps
forward
and
one
step
backwards,
so
we
still
have
vacancies
that
we're
trying
to
fill.
I
don't.
I
can't
recall
a
time
here
recently
where
we've
had
a
fully
staffed
examination
group
in
the
banking
area.
The
experience
that
we
have
we
do
track
experience
in
the
banking
area
bank
examiners.
The
experience
level
is
around
eight
years
median
in
their
other
regulatory
areas.
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G
It's
it's
definitely
a
challenge
and
one
more
question
I
was
just
wondering:
does
the
department
have
everything
that
it
needs
to
effectively
and
efficiently
monitor
the
state's
financial
institutions,
and
with
that
I
think,
did
I
hear
you
correctly?
You
said
in
2015
you
was
meant
you
were
managing
25
billion
and
today
it's
234
billion
right
and.
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We
are
fully
mobile
working
so
particularly
for,
as
I
understand
it,
in
talking
to
our
younger
examiners
and
really
everyone
they
like
aws,
they
like
working
from
home
and
then
going
to
institutions
so
that
work
life
balance
has
been
good,
so
we're
looking
at
compensation
making
sure
that
that's
appropriate,
but
we
have
everything
that
we
need.
If
we
can
retain
examiners
right
now,
we
have
a
good,
healthy
banking
system.
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Staffer
last
couple
of
hours-
and
we
were
talking
about
one
of
our
examiners-
that
left
is
to
a
bank,
so
a
number
of
them
to
to
banks
we've
had
in
the
past
two
accounting
firms,
we've
had
some
to
the
federal
government
to
federal
regulators,
and
that's
that's
a
hard
one.
When
you
have
someone
that
you've
worked
with,
you
know,
sitting
at
the
same
table
with
you,
but
working
from
the
fdic
or
the
fed
for
making
a
whole
lot
more
than
we
are
but
doing
the
same
job.
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I
had
a
sauce
burger
with
cheese
on
them
on
the
brain,
but
the
I
was
just
a
quick
question,
something
you
mentioned
earlier
that
that
interests
me.
I
guess
it
sounds
like
the
the
greatest
threat
to
financial
institutions
could
be
cyber
security
and
the
security
of
the
data,
not
just
that
we
monitor,
but
also
how
those
individual
banks
monitor
their
own
financial
security.
It
wasn't
ten
years
ago,
no
one
ever
thought
about
having
an
app
on
their
phone
and
checking
to
make
sure
their
kids
have
money
in
college.
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That's
a
great
question:
really
cyber
may
be
the
biggest
threat
to
financial
institutions.
So
three
about
three
three
and
a
half
years
ago,
or
so
I
took
one
of
our
I.t
bank
examiners
and
elevated
him
to
a
position
that
reports
to
me
he's
responsible
for
all
of
our
I.t
regulatory
responsibilities
in
the
entire
department,
not
just
banks,
but
also
credit
unions
and
non-deposit
companies.
D
In
particular,
one
of
the
things
we're
working
on
very
hard
is
the
ability
to
understand
the
I.t
systems
of
some
of
our
largest
and
complex
institutions.
You
know
we
have
three
of
the
largest
banks
in
the
country
in
tennessee
a
decade
ago
that
wasn't
the
case.
It
is
today,
so
we
work
very
closely
with
the
federal
government
as
far
as
I.t
not
too
long
ago.
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L
Yeah,
the
the
that
data
that
you
reference.
I
heard
for
the
first
time
yesterday
and
particularly
about
the
large
metropolitan
areas
and
and
the
unbanked
population
there,
but
just
as
a
matter
of
clarification
for
from
uneducated
guy
from
a
precinct
c.
What
what
as
an
unbanked
person,
somebody's
just
putting
their
cash
in
a
mattress
or
what?
What
defines
an
unbanked
person.
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K
Thank
you,
lady
chair
and
along
those
same
lines.
I
I've
been
here
a
while
and
I've
watched
over
the
years,
and
I
guess
it
was.
It
was
a
little
while
after
I
got
here
when
I
really
got
interested
in
the
financial
piece
and
what
you
do,
and
I
want
to
commend
you
for
how
great
of
a
job
you
do
with
it,
and
we
realize
how
important
it
is
for
the
financial
institutions
to
be
financially
strong
for
the
state
of
tennessee.
K
But
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
with
all
of
us
for
those
people
that
maybe
we
call
unbanked
or
the
ones
who
are
trying
to
become
banking.
If
you
will,
whatever
you
call
them,
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
that
flexibility
that
you've
given
to
financial
institutions
to
try
to
help
people
land
on
a
solid
foundation.
D
Well,
I
appreciate
your
interest
for
a
long
long
time
and
this
you
know
this
body.
This
committee
you've
always
been
supportive
of
us
and
we're
a
small
department,
one
of
the
smallest
departments
in
state
government,
but
we
have
a
huge
responsibility
and
it's
people
like
these
two
individuals
here
with
me
and
our
entire
staff
that
you
know
we.
We
know
what
the
mission
is,
and
we
just
appreciate
the
partnership
that
we
have
with
the
general
assembly,
with
the
administration
and
with
financial
institutions
and
we're
all
working
together.
K
I
think
well,
you
know
our
financial
is
nobody
likes
to
see
the
bank
examiners
coming.
They
don't
they
they're
not
happy
about
that,
but
we
never
get
bad
press
about
your
people
coming
and
seemingly,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
it's
when
it's
all
done,
everybody
seemed
to
think
it
was
all
for
the
good
of
all
of
us,
and
we
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Later,
camper.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
you
all
do
I
mean
just.
I
want
to
echo
what
the
representative
just
was
saying
about
how
great
of
an
institution
you
run
over
there.
It's
it's.
It's
very
commendable,
and
you
know
when
I
first
got
here
met
you
all
the
great
work
you
were
doing.
You
got
us
through
all
the
bank
stress
tests
and
all
those
things
that
this
economy
has
been
through.
N
So
it's
we
applaud
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
all
the
staff
and
everything
that
they're
doing.
I
do
have
a
question
around
community
reinvestment
act.
Can
you
talk
to
us
about
your
department's
role
in
that
the
information
we
can
get
from
that?
How
are
we
doing
with
that?
So
under
your
compliance
division?
Where
does
that
activity
take
place
within
the
department.
D
Yeah
cra
is
federal,
so
you
know
the
federal
consumer
compliance
examiners
will
look
at
that,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
state
as
a
whole
for
many
many
years
have
has
a
good
rating
in
that
area
of
cra,
and
you
know
I've
heard
our
institutions
talk
about
it
before
about
different
projects
that
they
may
be
working
on
to
you
know
to
get
the
the
credits
that
they
need
to.
Do
that.
A
Thank
you
and,
commissioner
again,
we
appreciate
you
being
here
and
for
letting
us
take
that
short
break
while
you've
twiddled
your
thumbs.
I
know
you
probably
had
other
things
you
could
have
been
doing,
but
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
you
guys
do
perform
an
incredible
service
for
the
state
of
tennessee
and
for
all
of
its
citizens,
just
as
being
watchdogs
over
a
huge
part
of
our
economy
so
and
having
been
on
the
other
side
of
being
the
watchee.
A
I
appreciate
the
way
that
that
your
group
is
always
manages
that
as
well.
It's
a
it
really
is
a
cooperative
partnership
kind
of
relationship
that
I
think
you
work
hard
to
have
with
the
banks
versus
an
adversarial
one
which
I
think
is
you
know
good
for
all
of
us.
So
again,
thanks
to
you
and
all
the
folks
in
your
department
for
a
job
well
done.
Thank
you.
A
E
E
Members
of
committee,
I'm
james
dunn,
executive
director
for
the
commission
on
aging
and
disability.
I
have
with
me
mason
devers
our
legislative
liaison,
rob
kegel,
who
some
of
you
may
know
a
legislative
liaison
and
then
also
gail
wilson,
who
is
our
fiscal
director
and
as
a
preliminary
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
lady
chairman,
I
very
much
admire
you
and
this
body.
I
know
the
sacrifices
that
you
make.
E
I
very
much
see
what
we
do
as
a
partnership
with
you
and
should
any
any
of
you
have
any,
have
any
need
assistance
with
constituents
or
help
on
policy.
I
hope
that
you
will
call
on
us.
We
are
always
here
to
help
with
that
I'll
get
started
on
this
budget
presentation,
we'll
move
along
and
open
up
for
questions.
E
E
I'll
go
over
some
of
the
programs
that
we
have
some
of
our
state
programs.
The
options
for
community
living-
those
are
home,
community-based
services
intended
to
keep
people
aging
at
home
longer
so
that
they
are
not
going
to
facilities
and
things
which
saves
taxpayers
money.
We
also
have
senior
centers
that
we
assist
with
these
are
hubs
in
the
community
very
important
for
services
and
just
also
well-being
for
our
elderly
population,
and
then
we
have
the
public
guardianship
for
the
elderly.
We
run
that
across
the
state
of
our
federal
programs.
E
As
I
said
under
the
older
americans
act,
there
are
various
services
that
we
provide
ship
legal
assistance,
nutrition
services-
that
is
a
big
one.
We
we
did
about
a
little
over
3
million
meals
last
year.
I
don't
know
that
leader
camper
is
in
here,
but
I
know
that
she
has
some
experience
with
with
our
mother
and
meals
on
wheels.
We've
talked
about
that.
It
is
an
important
program.
E
We
have
family
caregiver
support,
which
is
some
respite
type
services
that
we
do.
We
also
have
the
long-term
care
ombudsman,
which
is
a
patient's
right,
advocate
an
individual
that
goes
into
facilities
to
advocate,
on
behalf
of
patients,
to
ensure
that
the
health
care
facilities
are
acting
as
they
are
supposed
to,
and
then
transportation
services,
and
we
do
some
things
on
elder
rights
as
well.
E
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
a
slide
here
on
senior
center
grants
and,
first
and
foremost,
just
say
thank
you.
I
look
forward
to
to
getting
out
in
into
your
districts
and
I
hope
you'll
invite
us
and
anytime
you
do.
We
will
get
out
there,
but
historically,
what
had
been
done
was
there
was
money
allocated
for
accredited
institutions?
E
E
The
finance
committee
decided
what
it
would
do,
rather
than
doing
a
grant
for
these
eight
separate
senior
centers
is
to
spread
the
money
across
the
state,
so
they
tasked
the
commission
on
aging
and
disability
with
developing
a
competitive
grant
process
which
we
did,
and
I
am
I
am
proud
to
say
that
in
doing
so,
we
served
over
59
counties.
80
separate
institutions
got
a
grant
of
5
000.
E
We
will
be
doing
some
auditing
on
that
and
look
forward
to
coming
back
to
you
next
time
to
let
you
know
how
that
money
was
used
and
whether
or
not
that
program
was
successful.
We
believe
that
it
will
be
our
nutrition
program.
As
I
said,
we
have
served
over
three
thousand
or
excuse
me,
three
million
meals,
and
we
served
more
recently.
Let's
see
25
000
folks,
a
little
bit
over
that
almost
30
000
folks,
the
number
of
recipients
has
dipped
just
a
little
bit.
I
think.
E
During
the
the
pandemic
there
were
more
people
who
were
homebound
and
needed
more
delivery
of
mills,
so
the
number
has
dropped
a
little
bit.
I
will
tell
you
also
on
an
important
note.
We
right
now
have
set
as
a
standard
standard
cost,
seven
dollars
reimbursement,
but
the
the
rate
of
meals
right
now
with
inflation
is
up
somewhere
around
8.50
a
mill.
So
we
are
looking
at
possibly
if
there's
some
sort
of
way
to
assist
these
folks
going
forward
how
we
may
we
may
do
so
right
now.
Everyone
continues
to
operate
successfully.
E
I
want
to
talk
about
some
of
the
budget
requests.
First
and
foremost,
I
want
to
thank
the
the
governor
for
taking
our
aging
population
very
serious.
I
know
a
lot
of
you
may
know
this.
We
have
1.2
million
people
who
are
age,
60
and
older
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
I
use
that
figure
because
under
the
older
americans
act,
those
are
the
folks
that
that
we
serve
that
age
is
by
definition
who
we
serve
under
the
older
americans
act.
That's
about
a
seventh
of
the
state.
E
In
any
event,
within,
let's
see,
we've
got
28
million
state,
roughly
52,
roughly
federal
interdepartmental
482
000,
for
a
total
of
about
81
million
of
the
expansions
there's
10.4
million
in
there
for
the
options
program.
That
is
to
clear
the
waiting
list,
and
then
there
was
a
caregiver
rate
increase.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
that.
There's
a
a
little
over
a
million
put
in
there
for
that
tin
care
runs
the
choices
program
which
is
similar
to
the
options
program,
but
different.
The
choices
program
that
tenncare
runs
is
medicaid
based.
E
E
Those
in
blue
are
commissions.
That's
us.
Those
in
red
are
departments.
Those
in
green
are
divisions
of
departments,
and
these
are
the
state
units
on
aging.
We
are
the
only
commission
here
as
far
as
funding
we're
we're
close
on
some
of
these
keep
in
mind.
Some
of
these
have
they
have
their
medicaid
units,
combined
with
their
state
units
on
aging,
some
of
them
do
the
adult
protective
services.
We
don't
hear
adult
protective
services
with
human
services
in
tennessee.
Of
course,
this
map
just
shows
you.
E
Once
again,
there
are
two
states
in
the
union
that
are
commissions
we
are
one,
idaho
is
the
other.
The
remaining
states
are
all
either
departments
or
divisions
of
departments.
Just
wanted
to
give
you
a
visual
on
that
last.
Let's
see
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
our
budget,
I
mean
it
has
doubled
in
two
years.
Almost
it's
it's
gone
up
significantly.
E
Our
labor
has
remained
relatively
flat
now,
a
lot
of
that
is
federal
dollars
and
we
can
get
into
that
and
whether
or
not
that
will
be
sustained
remains
to
be
seen,
but
the
budget
has
grown
substantially.
On
the
federal
side
in
particular,
I
did
put
in
the
budget
a
request
for
a
research
and
development
consultant.
E
This
150
000
includes
friends
benefits
it's
really
at
the
top
of
the
line
we
wouldn't
pay.
You
know
close
to
that,
but
we
put
that
in
there
because
we
do
a
lot
of
things.
For
example,
we
got
three
legislative
task
forces
tied
to
us,
one
on
elder
abuse,
another
on
palliative
care,
and
then
we
have
another
one
on
alzheimer's.
We
also
do
resource
mapping
to
determine
grant
funding
across
the
state,
among
all
the
departments
and
agencies
that
impact
our
aging
population.
E
E
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
and
director
dud.
It
is
good
to
see
you
here
today.
It
is
good
to
see
you
so
I
for
those
that
that
you
know
it's
been
a
few
months
since
we've
seen
him,
but
for
those
that
don't
recognize
director
dunn,
he
was
chief
advisor
to
the
majority
leader,
not
that
long
ago,
and
did
a
fantastic
job
of
that
and
in
serving
this
body
in
the
caucus
and
are
doing
a
fantastic
job
in
your
role
now.
So
with
that,
I
get
the
first
question
and
it
it
is
this.
I
E
So
the
senior
trust
actually
came
out
of
that
case
with
with
florida
and
bob
cooper
at
the
time
who
was
attorney
general,
an
agreement
with
jim
shulman,
who
is
my
predecessor
and
then
also
chancellor
lyle,
and
what
happened
was
they
used
those
funds
basically
to
to
set
up
what
we
otherwise
would
with
a
triple
a
d
and
to
administer
those
funds
on
a
contract
basis
with
various
not-for-profits
across
the
state,
primarily
out
of
davis
county?
In
any
event,
when
I
came
on
board,
I
asked
chancellor
lau
to
to
wind
that
down.
E
She
has
agreed
to
that
and
that
that
matter
has
been
settled.
I
always
felt
it
might
say
so
respectfully,
mr
leader,
that
those
funds
really
should
have
been
administered
through
the
general
assembly,
but
nevertheless
that
is
how
they
were
administered
that
is
behind
us.
Those
funds
did
help
a
lot
of
people.
I
will
say
that,
but
I'm
very
much
a
fan
of,
rather
than
administering
these
things
to
the
courts,
the
minister
and
through
you
guys,
who
represent
the
constituents.
So
thank
you
for
the
question,
sir,
and
that.
E
I
A
Thank
you.
You
mentioned
in
your
slide
about
the
senior
centers
I
like
to
go
back
to
that
just
a
bit.
As
you
know,
that
was
an
idea
that
came
from
this
body
for
just
hopefully
a
better
distribution
of
those
funds
across
the
state.
I
know
that
there
were
some
angst
for
people
who
had
previously
just
had
an
expectation
of
of
getting
that
check,
and
you
know
when
that
didn't
happen.
A
There
obviously
were
some
concerns,
but
can
you
talk
to
a-
and
I
know
we're
just
you
could
tell
us
who
got
them,
but
at
this
point
it's
too
early
to
know
how
they
were
used
and
if
they
were
used
well
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
this
time
next
year.
I
would
hope
that
that
we
would
have
that
information
that
you
would
have
that
to
share
with
us,
but
help
us
understand.
E
Sure
sydney
who
works
in
our
office
noticed
all
their
well.
I
refer
to
them
as
state-funded
senior
centers
and
the
reason
I
say,
they're
state
funded.
Many
of
these
places
are
organized
under
a
county
city
received
government
funds,
our
triple
a
ds,
some
of
the
funds
that
we
push
down
go
out
to
these
to
these
groups.
But
basically
we
use
the
criteria
that
that
ecd
uses
for
distressed
counties
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
we
attached
certain
points
to
that.
E
We
also
attached
certain
points
to
if
you
were,
if
you've
received
a
letter
from
a
state
representative
in
support,
state,
senator
and
support,
and
really
try
to
be
objective
about
that.
So
not
every
everyone
got
one.
I'm
sad
to
say,
mr
leader,
our
excuse
to
be
chairman
that
that
we
didn't
get
one
from
chattanooga,
but
we
and
we
didn't
get
one
for
leader,
lambert
either.
But
I
think
what
that
says
is
that
your
counties
are
in
in
all
all
seriousness,
doing
very
very,
very
well.
E
Most
of
the
money
really
went
to
these
places
that
really
really
needed
it,
and
when
you
look
across
tennessee
and
you
get
out
there
into
many
of
the
communities
that
a
lot
of
you
all
represent,
you
know
there
are
just
not
a
lot
of
resources
out
there.
I
mean
representative
shaw,
we
we've
got
a
senior
center
in
jackson
and
we've
tried
to
help
them
a
little
bit.
You
know
it's
the
only
one
there.
E
These
often
are
locations
where
we're
literally
feeding
people
on
fixed
incomes
at
times
that,
if
not
but
for
the
senior
center,
would
not
have
a
place
to
to
get
meals
to
socialize,
to
learn
about
services
and
to
be
around
one
another
they.
Otherwise
a
lot
of
times
are
isolated.
So
it's
a
it's
very
important
to
the
community.
E
We
will
continue
to
reach
out
we
reached
out
to
every
member.
Here
we
sent
a
letter
to
everyone.
I
think
we
got
out
to
maybe
20
or
25
districts
in
fact,
actually
deliver
checks
and
and
and
meet
with
people
talk
to
the
senior
center
directors
and
folks
out
in
the
community.
We're
going
to
do
more
of
that.
A
Thank
you
again
and
I'm
not
complaining
that
hamilton
county
didn't
get
one
just
want
to
make
sure
that
all
the
centers
across
the
state
you
know
know
that
there's
a
there's,
a
new
game
in
town,
if
you
will
and
and
how
to
go
about
it.
So
I
appreciate
the
communications
effort,
that's
gone
underway
and
hopefully
we'll
see
more.
Maybe
more
grant
requests
for
this
coming
budget,
these
coming
budget
dollars
next
on.
My
list
is
representative
campbell.
B
E
Absolutely
the
various
programs
that
I
told
you
under
the
older
americans
act.
We
are
statutorily
required
to
deliver
services
under
those
largely
what
we
do
with
respect
to
that
is.
We
are
a
pass
through.
There
are
nine
triple
a
ds
across
this
state.
They
are
all
tied,
are
primarily
tied
to
economic
development
districts,
one
a
human
resource
agency
and
one
actually
the
shelby
county
government,
but
the
aaads
really
further.
E
Our
arp
funds,
different
from
a
lot
of
the
other
departments
and
agencies
are,
we
are
advised
anyway,
are-
are
going
to
be
in
existence.
You
know
for
some
period
of
time,
not
scheduled
to
expire
in
2024,
like
a
lot
of
others
are
so
but
anyway,
under
the
older
americans
act
and
and
gail
you.
If
you
want
to
speak
more
to
this,
please
do
so,
but
we
have
various
categories
of
funding
for
various
services
that
we
that
we
offer.
E
I
mean
we
can
go
through
these.
You
know
one
by
one
but
title
three:
b:
support
services,
congregate,
meals,
home
delivered,
meals,
title
three
d,
disease
prevention
and
health
promotion;
family,
get
care,
family,
caregiver,
support,
long-term
care,
ombudsman
elder
abuse,
nutrition
service
incentive
program.
E
We
have
the
ship
program,
that's
the
state
health
insurance
assistance
program,
medicare
improvements
for
patients
and
providers,
act,
program,
life,
lifespan,
respite
alzheimer's
disease
program
initiative.
What
else
do
we
have
gail?
We
gotta.
We
got
a
lot
of
things.
I'm
sorry!
I've
been
here
for
six
months,
so
I've
just
been
here
a
little.
B
Thank
you.
My
name
is
gail
wilson,
I'm
the
finance
director
for
tcad.
I've
just
been
here,
barely
a
little
bit
longer
than
james
myself.
I
can
speak
to
the
art
funding
and
that
is
a
supplement
for
the
older
americans
act,
so
those
funds
are
being
used
for
those
same
purposes.
They're
they're,
following
the
same
funding
formula
that
we
use
to
distribute
the
older
americans
act
funding.
E
That's
an
important
point:
y'all
may
y'all
may
want
to
know
this
I'll
expand,
expand
on
it
a
little
bit.
We
do.
We
do
do
some
homemaker
and
personal
care
stuff
through
the
older
americans
act,
funding
that
is
federal
funding
and
the
reason
why
that's
important
for
me
to
tell
you
all
that
is
because
we
also
do
some
of
that
through
options
which
is
purely
state
funded.
B
E
Yes,
we
are,
we
are
fully
fully
back
into
effect
on
both
counts.
I
will
tell
you
we
have
pushed
so
many
resources
through
because
of
the
federal
dollars
that
have
come
down.
It
has
been
a
challenge
to
keep
up
right
and
then
you
have
nutrition
standards
that
you
have
to
comport
with
under
federal
guidelines.
E
E
So
for
a
lot
of
people,
that's
been
a
deterrent,
but
in
some
cases
for
those
for
those
restaurants
that
was
helpful.
We
do
want
to
be
careful
to
not
do
anything
that
would
that
would
inadvertently
interfere
with
the
private
sector
industry.
But
at
one
point
of
time
we
did
use
some
of
those
services
with
restaurants
in
our
rural
communities,
but
we
are
we're.
We
are
ramped
up,
sir
fully
a
matter
of
fact.
E
B
E
E
You
know
their
driving
times
with
our
elderly
people
when
you're
taking
them
somewhere,
which
is
important
because
a
lot
of
the
public
transportation
you
know,
is
going
from
a
to
b,
right
and
they're,
just
picking
up
people
in
between,
and
we
often
hear
that
elderly
folks
are
being
left
behind,
or
somebody
missed
appointments
so
on
and
so
forth.
Whereas
with
this
my
ride,
because
it's
tailor-made,
you
know,
people
are
generally
on
time
and
everything
is
on
schedule.
E
Some
have
have
chosen
to
get
more
engaged
in
my
right.
Others
have
not,
but
it's
a
it's
a
fantastic
program
and
I
would
advocate
that
it
continues
to
keep
going.
I
got
a
great.
We
got
a
great
video
on
this
representative
be
happy
to
stop
by
your
office
and
show
you
a
little
bit
more
about
it
and
if
you
need
some
help
in
the
district,
if
y'all
want
to
get
that
vamped
up
a
little
bit
more
we'd
be
happy
to
work
with
you.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
welcome.
I
guess
director
don.
You
run
a
commission.
I'm
really
wanting
to
call
you,
commissioner,
but
I
guess
director
is
the
appropriate
term.
The
the
governor
proposed
a
budget
increase
of
10.4
million
dollars
in
recurring
funds
to
eliminate
the
wait
list
for
the
options
community
living
program
and
another
1.25
million
reoccurring
for
pay
increases
for
direct
service
providers.
Can
the
commission
provide
some
information
on
how
quickly
this
wait
list
will
be
eliminated
or
drawn
down,
and
then
do
you
think
it's
sufficient?
The
dsp
increase
in
pay?
E
So
we
increased
the
rate
to
21.33,
I
think
per
unit
hourly
rate,
okay
and
and
out
of
that
rate,
the
caretaker
is,
is
paid.
The
way
that
we
do
that
when
we
contract
with
our
aaads
who
further
subcontract
with
the
providers,
we
don't
dictate
what
the
caretaker
is
paid
right.
So
it's
it's
a
little
different
across
the
board.
As
long
as
it's
up
to
that
cap
amount,
10,
carat
with
choices,
does
it
a
little
bit
differently?
E
They
are
requiring
that
the
caretaker
be
paid
a
specified
amount
of
12.50
out
of
that
21
and
30
cents,
and
we
all
across
the
board,
are
experiencing
a
provider
shortage.
We
just
are
most.
These
people
are
paid
10
to
13
an
hour
and
it's
hard
to
get
them
I'm
hearing
on
a
regular
basis
that
providers
are
having
a
difficult
time
to
hire
people
matter
of
fact,
madam
chairman
has
a
bill.
I
think,
to
study
the
the
provider
network
not
not
only
across
this
home
community-based
stuff,
but
in
the
healthcare
sector
as
well.
E
So
we
need
to
start
doing
more.
I
believe,
representative,
with
respect
to
educational
incentives
or
anything
that
we
can
from
cna
to
rn
type
programs,
whatever
we
can
do
to
help
the
industry
get
more
caretakers
and
to
help
out
with
that
one
of
the
things
that
that
tenncare
does
that
we
will
be
looking
into
doing
if,
if
the
general
assembly
is
so
gracious
that
keeps
this
money
intact
in
the
budget
will
be
to
do
more
self-directed
care,
because
if
there's
not
enough
caretakers
in
the
provider
network,
we
will.
E
We
will
have
to
do
that
and
self-directed
care.
What
I'm?
What
I'm
saying
to
you,
as
with
our
respite
program,
is
a
is
a
service
where
the
beneficiary
has
the
flexibility
to
determine
what
provider
that
they
will
use.
When
you
work
through
a
triple
a
d,
they
have
a
select,
select
providers
and
you
have
to
choose
from
that
list.
E
That
is
one
more
way
to
add
providers
to
the
to
the
network
for
the
home
community-based
services.
So
there's
a
lot
to
be
worked
out.
Representative.
That's
that's
a
that's
a
there's,
a
big
question.
I
believe
that
we
can
do
it.
I
don't
think
any
challenge
is
too
big.
As
long
as
people
are
willing
to
work
together,
we
do
have
people
who
who
need
these
services
very
much.
We
have
a
waiting
list
of,
I
think
nearly
nearly
3
000
folks
and
we
serve.
E
You
know
almost
that
every
year
now
we
get
nine
million
dollars
for
options.
So
when
you
put
this
money
on
there,
it's
going
to
double
the
options
program,
but
if
we
can
keep
people
aging
at
home,
well
longer,
that's
the
freedom
that
they
want.
They
don't
want
to
go
to
institutions,
it
costs
more
money
for
everybody
when
they
do
that
and
so
to
me
this
is
sort
of
an
empowerment
thing,
so
I'm
very
thankful
that
the
governor
would
put
it
in
the
budget
and
I
hope
that
y'all
will
keep
it
there.
H
Thank
you,
matt.
Thank
you
manager.
One
follow-up
question:
I
see
on
your
spreadsheet,
there's
a
line
item
for
elder
and
vulnerable
adult
abuse.
This
does
the
commission
have
any
law
enforcement
capacity?
Do
you
have
any?
Have
you
been
given
any
authority
to
actually,
like
I
just
seems
like
most
agencies
in
the
state
have
have
various
people
on
staff
that
have
law
enforcement
capacity.
Almost
everybody
that's
come
before
this.
This
this
panel
seems
to
be
have
people
on
staff,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that
briefly.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
representative.
What
I,
what
I
would
tell
you
is
is
that
we
do
not
have
any
law
enforcement
authority.
We
are
running
right
now
strike
force
on
unlicensed
facilities.
When
I
first
came
on
board
the
governor,
they
asked
us
to
do
so.
It
involves
the
department
of
health,
human
services,
the
tbi,
tenncare
and
others,
and
basically
we're
assessing
situations
where
you
have
an
elderly
person
in
a
home.
E
Maybe
the
caretaker
was
doing
it
the
right
way
and
then
neglect
and
sued
and
then
abused
ensued.
Are
we
have
outright
malicious
people
who
are
out
to
just
hurt
folks
in
the
residential
setting?
This
stuff
is,
unless
it's
a
criminal
activity
in
excess,
it's
really
not
a
penalty.
The
penalty
for
for
operating
an
unlicensed
facility
is
a
class
b
misdemeanor
that
doesn't
really
carry
much
time,
but
even
if
it
did,
we
can't
go
into
the
home
because
we
don't
have
calls
adult
protective
services.
E
Currently
does
some
of
that
right
now
out
of
dhs,
but
that
statute
with
adult
protective
services
hasn't
been
changed
since
1978
there's
two
criteria
that
must
be
met
in
order
for
investigation
to
ensue
number
one,
that
the
culprit
is
the
caretaker
number
two
that
government
funds
are
involved,
there's
an
enormous
amount
of
activity
out.
There
that's
happening
where
people
are
subject
to
financial
exploitation,
they're
being
abused,
I
mean
you
got
to
think
about
this.
E
If
it
was
in
compliance
with
the
home
community
based
settings
rule,
you
could
actually
use
medicaid
diversion
dollars
to
further
help
out
that
program.
But
that's
a
different
matter,
I
think,
to
keep
it
to
keep
it
non-medical
would
be
the
way
to
go
anyway.
You
asked
me
a
question
which
was:
do
we
have
law
enforcement
capacity,
and
I
went
a
little
bit
far
on
this.
So
thank
you
all
for
indulging
me.
N
N
E
E
And
so
if
we
were
to
do
a
residential
setting
kind
of
a
situation
and
regulate
that,
you
know
they
wouldn't
need
the
sprinklers
and
stuff.
We
would
have
to
use
commerce
codes
through
them
to
do
the
codes
there.
But
but
we
could
set
this
up
and
we
could
do
it
in
a
way
and
we
could
put
information
around
it
and
have
us.
You
know
some
some
powers
where
we
could
go
in
and
file
injunctions
to
do
different
things.
We
look.
E
We
had
this
with
dead
in
mental
health
already
right
now,
so
there
are
things
that
we
could
do
there.
I
think
we
should
do
something
on
it.
I
think
you
know.
If
you
talk
to
talk
to
representative
eldridge,
there's
several
in
memphis,
you
guys
have
had
issues,
but
in
these
presidential
homes
right
now
you
know
if
it's,
if
it's
underneath
of
that
rha
guideline
of
of,
I
think
what
is
it
four,
more
five
or
more
something
like
this?
If
it's
underneath
that
it's
not
subject
to
regulation
right
now,
at
all.
A
A
Some
of
us
are
going
to
be
in
it
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
is
being
done
and
you
know
for
that
population.
We
are
now
back
in
session
without
objection
that
does
complete
our
calendar.
For
today
we
will
reconvene
monday
at
nine
o'clock,
where
we
will
hear
from
the
department
of
intellectual
and
development
disabilities,
followed
by
the
council
on
developmental
disabilities,
followed
by
department
of
mental
health
and
then
the
commission
on
children,
youth
and
children
services.
So
we
will
see
you
here
on
monday
and
stay
tuned.