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House Government Operations Committee- April 18, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
A
A
Seeing
none
we'll
begin
our
counter.
First
on
our
agenda
is
house
bill
2312
by
representative
griffey.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
representative
griffey.
Your
bill
is
traveling
with
an
amendment
one
five,
one,
two
three
correct
yes,
mr
chairman,
no
action
is
needed
in
this
committee,
since
it's
already
on
the
bill,
you
are
recognized
for
an
explanation
of
your
bill.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee.
What
this
bill
does
the
impetus
of
this
was
when
commissioner
swin
went
around
trying
to
get
infra
input
on
funding
system
and
so
forth.
A
school
district
director
indicated
the
problem.
Is
our
kids?
It's
not
the
problems,
our
kids
reading
ability,
it's
the
testing,
and
so
I
tried
to
get
a
copy
of
some
of
the
test
questions
to
see.
C
You
know
no
new
future
questions
and
their
promulgate
rules,
but
it
will
allow
us
to
do
our
oversight
job
so
that
we
can
review
these
test.
Questions
share
with
third
party
professionals,
get
their
input
on
them
or
school
district
directors,
and
so
we
can
make
an
assessment.
Is
the
problem
with
our
students
reading
or
is
it
perhaps
maybe
there's
some
issues
with
some
of
the
test
or
test
questioning?
So
that's
the
impetus
of
the
bill
and
I
would
move
for
passage.
Please.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
this
this
bill
because
I
know
the
the
tests
are
like
fort
knox.
You
couldn't
you
couldn't
get
into
them
or
anything
else,
and
they
won't
give
you
a
copy
of
after
the
test
either.
It's
really
you
know
frustrating
for,
for
teachers
and
parents
not
to
be
able
to
see
the
test
and
and
be
able
to
see.
D
You
know
where
the
kids
went
wrong
and
and
and
be
able
to
educate
them
a
little
bit
more
on
that,
but
I'm
glad
you're
bringing
that,
but
I
fear
that
they'll
just
give
you
the
questions
that
they
really
want
you
to
have
and
not
the
whole
test.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Mr.
E
E
E
C
Mr
sponsor
so
you're
concerned
about
the
exception,
may
swallow
the
rule.
I
share
your
concerns
somewhat,
but
you
know
I
I
in
good
faith.
I
think
that
this
is
the
amendment
was
from
the
department
of
education
they're
trying
to
protect
the
integrity,
because
if
they
you
disclose
the
questions
that
are
coming
up
on
the
test.
C
That's
in
two
weeks
from
now-
and
you
know
somebody
you
know,
legislators-
staff
members,
somebody
inadvertently,
you
know
the
test-
got
out-
that's
going
to
damage
the
integrity
of
the
testing
and
make
it
unfair
for
some
students
who
don't
have
the
benefit
of
that
testing.
C
Is
there
a
problem
with
the
way
they're
written
presented
and
that
maybe
action
is
appropriate
on
the
part
of
the
general
assembly
to
try
to
address
some
of
these
problems
with
the
testing
system?
If
we
don't
know
what's
going
on
with
the
text
testing
system,
members
of
the
general
assembly
are
unable
to
take
appropriate
oversight.
Action.
E
Did
the
department,
when
you
promulgated
your
bill,
thank
you
for
that
answer.
It's
comprehensive
did.
Did
the
department,
when
you
put
your
bill
forward,
indicate
that
this
was
really
going
to
be
a
problem?
It
sounds
like
it's
a
little
bit
to
solve.
One
issue,
like
one
request,
has
there
really
been
a
problem
in
the
past
of
people
not
being
able
to
get
these?
Mr
sponsors
information
is
needed.
C
I
I
don't
have
the
benefit
of
insight
into
what's
going
on
in
the
past.
All
I
can
say
is
I
tried
to
get
copies
of
the
test
questions.
It
was
extremely
difficult
and,
like
representative
byrd
had
mentioned,
I
believe,
he's
tried
and
it's
very
hard
to
get
the
questions
and
the
only
ones
questions
you
will
be
provided
are
questions
that
have
been
cycled
through
the
system
and
they're
no
longer
going
to
use
anymore,
and
so
there's
still
a
large
body
of
questions.
Some
are
that
are
currently
in
the
testing
system.
C
Are
they
getting
a
good
assessment
and
feedback
from
the
students
with
these
questions,
and
then
some
are,
you
know
stuff
they
may
use
in
the
future,
so
there's
a
large
body
and
it
gets
rather
complicated
into
the
weeds,
but
if
we
can't
at
least
see
what
the
testing
questioning
is
and
get
benefit
of,
input
from
our
school
directors
and
third
party
experts,
textbook
commission
we've
got
lots
of
great
teachers
that
know
what's
going
on
and
how
to
test
students
reading
and
I'd.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It
is
hard
to
to
get
and
to
see
those
questions.
That's
why
one
of
the
problems
I
have
with
a
lot
of
this.
The
high
stakes
testing,
is
that
it's
not
actually
used
to
benefit
the
child's
education.
The
teacher
can't
see
it
it's
it's
real
simple
when
you
can
look
at
a
test
and
see
what
they
missed
and
see
the
pattern
and
see
why
they're
missing
questions,
we're
not
able
to
do
that.
F
F
We
are
not
experts,
even
there's,
no
one
in
the
department.
To
my
knowledge,
that's
an
expert
on
testing
and
test
questions
and
reliability
and
validity,
but
but
where,
where
we
would
be
helpful
to
folks
is
letting
the
teachers
see
those
and
school
personnel,
but
there's
literally
no
one
in
the
legislature
with
this
type
of
experience
and
not
in
the
department.
A
Representative
johnson,
I
would
ask
you
to
withdraw
your
assertion.
There's
no
one,
an
expert
this
I
worked
in
this
field
for
15
years.
D
D
And
you
know-
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
too-
you
know
act
they
if
you
want
to
see
your
test
after
you
finish
the
a.c.t.
You
can
now
get
a
copy
of
that,
whereas
these
tests
that
the
department
of
ed,
you
can't
see
them
even
after
they
get
through
the
test.
So
you
don't.
D
You
can't
see
the
questions
that
you
miss
or
or
anything,
and
you
would
think
as
much
money
as
we
pay
a
year
for
testing
that
they
could
afford
to
do
a
brand
new
test
and
send
those
tests
back
to
the
schools
and
let
parents
and
students
and
teachers
review
them.
I
have
to
you
know,
that's
my
biggest
gripe.
Is
they
don't
do
that?
G
You
recognized
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
I'll
be
quick.
I
don't
want
to
to
to
beat
this
into
the
ground,
but
I
will
say
that
I'll.
You
know
I
will
also
hear
reports.
You
know,
after
students
take
a
tcap
or
some
year-end
assessment.
G
I
mean
the
people
who
write
these
tests
are
not
infallible
and
so
because,
as
has
been
mentioned
multiple
times
now,
teachers
cannot
review
that
school
boards
can't
review
it.
This
will
at
least
give
some
sort
of
oversight.
If
there
was
a
complaint
that
that
someone
could
look
at
it
and
say,
is
there
you
know?
Maybe
this
question
was
or
was
not
written
correctly,
but
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there.
Thanks
for
the
for
the
bill.
C
Response,
mr
sponsor,
thank
you.
I
think
that
the
way
the
bill
is
written
legislators
would
be
able
to
share
testing
material
with
third
party
experts,
teachers
and
school
directors
and
get
their
input
into
some
of
the
tests
and
testing
procedures
and
questions.
So.
A
A
A
A
I
Thank
you
very
much
chairman
and
committee
members.
We
have
the
electronic
monitoring
agency
fund
right
now,
what's
known
as
the
emif,
and
since
I've
entered
the
general
assembly,
we
have
rewritten
or
restructured
this
fund.
I
think
three
different
times.
Unfortunately,
we
still
have
not
gotten
it
right.
I
Is
you
have
ignition
interlock,
which
is
the
kind
of
legacy
technology
where,
if
someone
has
a
dui,
you're,
probably
familiar
with
this,
where
they
have
to
blow
into
this
device
and
that
will
prevent
their
car
from
starting
if
they've
been
drinking,
if
they've
not
been
drinking
and
the
car
starts
then
separately
from
that
you
have
other
forms
of
criminal
monitoring
like
transdermal
devices,
gps
monitoring
devices
any
number
of
other
devices,
these
are
being
adopted
at
various
rates
across
the
state
kind
of,
depending
on
the
jurisdiction,
depending
on
on
how
comfortable
the
judge
is
with
those
technologies,
and
so
the
way
we
fund
that
now
for
indigent
defendants
is
ignition.
I
Interlock
gets
first
dibs
on
the
money.
If
you
will
and
then
whatever
is
left
over
flows
over
into
the
emif
fund,
that
funds
all
other
forms
of
technology,
it's
a
bad
way
to
do
it,
because
you
have
an
unspecified
number
of
claims
for
an
unknowable
amount
of
money.
So
what
happens?
Oftentimes
is
mid-year.
I
So
I've
been
working
with
the
administration
for
the
last
three
years
now
to
try
to
get
an
admin
bill
to
sort
of
rectify
this
once
and
for
all,
to
separate
the
two
funds
and
and
to
kind
of
make
them
both
stand
alone
and
hold
on
their
own.
We've
not
been
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
on
that.
So
what
this
bill
does
and
working
in
consultation
with
the
depart
the
department
or
the
administration,
creates
the
electronic
monitoring
indigency
task
force
and
inside
the
bill
it
indicates
who
will
serve
on
that
task.
I
Force
they'll
meet
as
soon
as
june
15th
of
this
year
and
come
back
to
the
general
assembly
with
recommendations
by
september
of
this
year
so
that
hopefully
we
can
get
this
thing
fixed.
You
know
in
in
the
next
legislative
session
once
and
for
all,
but
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Members.
H
Thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
spiel.
My
question
is:
you
said
we're
coming
up
short
every
year
when
it
comes
to
these
types
of
monitoring.
H
I
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
it's!
It's
a
it's
a
mixture
right
now
because
the
fund
is
merged,
so
you've
got
ignition
interlock
which
is
funded
through
you
know,
fines
and
and
penalties,
and
then
the
intensity
portion
that
funds
other
types
of
electronic
monitoring
is,
is
really
fed
through
a
direct
appropriation
and
so
since
ignition
interlock
gets
dibs
on
the
dollars
first,
which
I
I
think,
there's
a
good
public
policy
reason
for
that.
I'm
certainly
not
not
throwing
rocks
at
that,
but
it
it.
I
We
don't
know
how
many
folks
are
going
to
make
claims.
So
we've
had
in
years
past
we've
had
vendors
who
performed
work
for
the
state
because
they
they
followed
a
judge's
order.
The
judge
said:
hey,
you
need
to
put
this
gps
monitor
on
this
defendant,
they're
indigent
the
fund
is
going
to
pay
you
they
perform
that
work
and
then
they
invoice
the
state
in
arrears
only
to
get
a
notice
back
from
the
treasury
department.
I
Saying
sorry,
that
fund
ran
out
of
money
two
months
ago
and
we're
not
able
to
pay
you
so
to
try
to
curb
that
again
the
governor's
been
been
putting
money
into
this
system,
but
I
think
with
a
just
getting
all
the
the
players
at
the
table
together.
I
think
we
can
come
up
with
a
much
better
way
to
do
this
and
we
got
really
close
last
year.
Really.
I
The
only
issue
was
where
this
was
going
to
be
housed,
so
we're
looking
at
the
office
of
ocjp,
which
does
a
lot
of
pass-through
federal
grant
funding
and
that
sort
of
thing
it
didn't
seem
to
be
the
exact
right
home
for
this,
but
I
think
I
think
we're
about
90
percent
there
on
a
structure
that
would
be
beneficial
to
all
concerned,
but
we
just
ultimately
couldn't
get
there
and
so
asked
the
administration.
I
said:
okay,
how
are
we
gonna?
I
How
we're
gonna
ensure
that
this
gets
done,
because
it's
a
problem
that
we've
been
dealing
with
now
for
the
better
part
of
a
decade
and
the
idea
of
this
task
force
came
up
to
sort
of
force
our
hand
to
say?
Okay,
we've
all
got
to
sit
down,
we've
got
to
come
to
the
table
and
then
next
year
let's
run
a
bill
to
fix.
It.
Follow
up.
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry
I've
been
informed.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
on
that
already
any
objection
to
the
question
seeing
none.
We
are
voting
on
sending
house
bill
325
to
finance
ways
and
means
all
in
favor
indicate
by
saying
aye
aye,
all
opposed,
nay
eyes.
Have
it
bill
moves
out.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
committee
item
number
three
house
bill.
Not
1927
has
been
rolled.
One
week
item
number
four
house
bill
2022
by
charlie
littleton.
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
charlie
littleton.
I
show
your
bill
traveling
with
an
amendment
I
show
1-4-9-8-0
as
the
amendment
is,
that
correct,
that's
correct
the
bill.
The
amendment
is
on
the
bill.
No
action
is
needed
in
this
committee.
You
are
clear
to
explain
your
your
bill.
Thank.
J
You,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
2022,
as
amended,
requires
a
case
manager
in
the
department
of
children
services
to
report
a
suspected
violation
of
a
known
court
order
to
the
law
enforcement.
If
the
case
manager
observes
the
person
against
whom
the
court
ordered
has
been
entered,
acted
in
violation
of
the
court
order
and
the
department
currently
has
an
open
case
on
the
family
that
is
subject
to
the
court
order.
A
K
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It
came
from
the
second
look
commission.
We
I'll
tell
you
what
that
is.
Do
you
can?
I
remember.
A
J
Thank
you.
This
bill
arrived
from
a
year-long
finding
from
the
second
look
commission
a
department
of
the
tennessee
commission
on
children
and
youth.
The
commission
was
created
in
response
to
the
need
to
review
and
improve
how
the
state
handles
severe
child
abuse
cases
we
meet,
along
with
the
child,
counselors
judges,
law
enforcement
and
dcs
workers
and
many
others
each
month
and
do
a
deep
dive
investigation
of
these
specially
chosen
cases.
J
So
there
was
one
case,
there's
several
cases,
but
this
one
cases
you
know,
there's
always
something
that
really
sticks
in
your
mind,
but
this
little
boy
had
accused
a
man,
a
sexually
abused
name,
and
he
was
he
was
young
about
three
years
old
and
the
caseworker
came
back
in
and
the
man
was
sitting
on
the
sofa
beside
him
and
not
only
that
someone
had
tattooed
a
cross
on
that
little
boy's
foot.
So
that's
where
this
come
from.
A
Follow-Up
any
further
questions
of
our
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2022.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
representing
johnson,
I'm
sorry!
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
absolutely
want
to
support
this
bill.
It
is,
it
is
important.
You
know.
My
one
concern,
of
course,
is
that
we're
adding
more
things
on
to
the
dcs
caseworkers,
where
they're
already
leaving
in
droves,
because
there's
they
just
can't
keep
up
with
the
load
they
have.
So
I
just
need
to
put
to
get
on
the
record
that
I'm
very
concerned
about
adding
to
that
load
when
we're
20
to
25
percent
short
workers.
But
this
is
absolutely
a
good
addition
and
I
will
be
supporting
it.
A
Again,
my
apologies
for
overlooking
you
there
any
other
questions
sponsor
you
recognized.
J
But
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
realized
that
the
caseworkers
there's
a
large
load
on
them
and
we
are
trying
to
hire
more
people
it's
hard
to
find
people
that
want
to
do
this
kind
of
work
for
sure.
But
this
would
be
one
phone
call
to
law
enforcement
to
inform
them
that
someone
is
in
that
household
that
there
is
a
court
order
against.
Thank
you.
A
Other
questions
of
the
sponsor
seeing
none,
we
are
voting
on
sending
house
bill
2022
to
calendar
and
rules
all
in
favor
indicate
by
saying
aye
aye,
all
opposed,
nay
eyes
have
it
bill
moves
out
to
calendar
and
rules
members.
The
next
bill
on
the
agenda
is
mine.
I'll
turn
the
gavel
over
to
vice
chair
reedy.
Now.
K
A
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair.
This
is
the
rule
omnibus
bill
that
we
pass
every
year.
It
makes
all
pertinent
a
permanent
makes
permanent
all
the
rules
that
were
filed
with
the
secretary
of
state
in
2021.
That
did
not
receive
a
negative
recommendation
in
the
joint
rule
review
committee.
Only
two
rules
received
negative
recommendations
from
the
joint
rule
review.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
seeing
no
other
business,
we
will
close
with
a
an
announcement.
The
joint
rule
review
committee
will
be
meeting
on
the
24th
of
april.
I'm
sorry
25th
is
that
right:
okay,
25th!
Yes
at
one
o'clock
1300.!
If
there
are
no
other
items
of
business
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.
We
are
adjourned.