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House Health Committee- March 3, 2021
A
Like
to
call
the
house
health
committee
to
order
will
the
clerk
please
take
the
roll.
B
A
Orders:
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
get
right
into
our
calendar
item
number
one
house
bill:
seven,
chairman
zachary,
you
are
recognized.
We
have
a
motion.
C
Chairman
committee,
mr
chairman,
I
have
an
amendment
which
is
drafting
code
3975,
which
will
make
the
bill.
A
Okay,
we
have
motion
a
second
on
drafting
code.
Three,
nine,
seven
and.
C
Please
explain
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
just
quickly
for
the
members
that
were
on
the
subcommittee.
We
had
a
conversation
when
I
left
that
subcommittee
that
you
would
see
a
streamlined
amendment,
and
that
is
the
streamlined
amendment
just
for
those
on
the
subcommittee
that
are
looking
at
this
bill
members
quickly.
C
This
coveted
pandemic
has
revealed
many
challenges
in
many
areas
across
our
state.
One
such
challenge
is
in
the
six
independent
counties
that
have
their
own
health
department.
Some
of
those
counties
four
specifically
have
health
boards.
The
way
the
code
is
drafted
today,
the
way
tca
682
601
is
drafted.
It
basically
provides
ultimate
authority
to
those
unelected
health
boards.
We've
had
some
real
challenges
and
knocks
I'll
stay
specific
to
knox.
C
We've
had
real
challenges
in
knox
county
with
the
health
board,
overruling
our
elected
mayor,
basically
functioning
as
a
legislative
and
executive
body,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
taken
this
amendment
and
we
have
simply
replaced
two
words:
two
words
we've
replaced
enforce
and
adopt
with
advise.
It
would
simply
move
these
health
boards
to
an
advisory
role
to
the
county
health
director
and
to
the
county,
the
county
health
department.
It
would
simply
move
them
into
an
advisory
role,
as
this
has
no
impact
on
the
power
of
the
health
director.
The
health
department
has
no.
C
There
was
some
earlier
earlier
drafts
that
mentioned
the
county
mayor.
That's
not
included
in
this.
We
simply
move
them
to
an
advisory
board
as
they
should
be,
and
the
reason
and
the
reason
it's
important-
that
we
move
them
to
an
advisory
role.
Members
is
the
way
this
code
is
drafted
when
this
state
of
emergency
ends.
When
the
governor
ends
this
state
of
emergency,
these
health
boards
would
have
more
power
in
those
specific
counties
than
the
governor
of
the
state
of
tennessee,
and
that
is
an
imbalance
of
government.
We
have
three
branches
of
government.
C
We
do
not
have
a
four
fourth
bureaucratic
branch
of
government.
The
county
director,
the
county
health
director,
is
accountable
to
the
county
mayor,
who
we
elect
to
make
those
decisions
and
and
hire
and
fire
that
county
health
director
and
then
just
let
me
quickly
before
I
take
questions.
C
I
want
to
just
kind
of
give
you
a
makeup
of
these
health
boards.
I've
got
davidson.
I've
got
knox
here,
but
again
I'll
I'll,
specifically
stick
to
knox
and
the
way
the
statute
is
written.
These
health
boards
again
perfect
advisory
role
for
a
perfect
advisory
board,
because
the
health
board
is
made
up
of
a
pharmacist,
a
nurse,
a
dentist,
a
our
mayor,
a
citizen
representative,
two
doctors,
a
vet
and
a
superintendent.
C
So
again
a
fantastic
board
that
we
need
in
place.
They
have
certain
roles.
An
advisory
role
is
an
extremely
important
role
for
this
board.
But
to
give
this
board,
the
ultimate
authority
in
six
counties
is
not
wise
because
again,
that
is
not
representation
of
the
people,
because
we,
the
people,
have
no
recourse
over
an
unelected
board.
So
with
that
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
questions
on
the
amendment?
Okay,
representative
akeem.
You
recognize
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
D
Chairman
zachary,
would
you
give
me
some
understand?
Okay,
would
you
give
me
some
understanding
and.
D
C
Correct,
yes,
sir,
you
recognize,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
So
legal
has
told
us,
based
on
the
two
words
in
this
code,
that
force
and
adopt
that
give
them
their
power.
It
basically
gives
them
ultimate
authority
in
the
county,
related
to
a
health
pandemic,
a
health
crisis
and
right
now
the
governor
under
a
state
of
emergency
is
allowed
to
suspend
any
statute
or
law.
C
Well,
obviously,
that's
an
egregious
overstep
mayor,
frank
in
anderson,
county
mayor
mitchell,
in
blount
county
really
rejected
that,
because,
obviously
no
surrounding
county
wants
a
health
board
of
knox
county
impacting
decisions
that
they
make,
and
so
that
would
be
an
example
and
if
that
were
to
take
place
outside
of
a
state
of
emergency,
the
governor
could
no
longer
step
in
and
stop
the
health
board
from
taking
from
taking
certain
steps,
and
they
would
actually
be
the
ultimate
authority
versus
the
county.
C
D
Okay
service,
have
you
came
hey?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
guess
you
I'm
asking
the
the
impetus
this
necessity
for
this
is
it
at
bottom
line
is
dealing
with
whether
a
person
should
be
required
to
be
vaccinated
for
the
pandemic.
What
what?
What
transpired
that
would
make
this
change
necessary.
C
Yes,
sir
yeah
good
question.
Remember
zachary,
thank
you
chairman,
so
with
the
various
health
boards
in
these
counties
and
again
only
four
of
the.
So
you
got
the
big
four
shelby
davidson
knox
and
hamilton
and
then
you've
also
got
madison
and
sullivan,
which
is
jackson
and
the
tri-cities.
So
only
four
of
the
counties
have
health
boards.
C
The
hamilton
county
is
actually
the
model
for
this
legislation
because
of
the
way
they
function
as
an
advisory
board
to
mayor
coppinger,
but
in
madison
and
in
knox
county
specifically,
there
have
been
some
challenges
with
the
health
board
overruling
and
and
making
issuing
orders
with
a
criminal
penalty.
At
the
objection
of
an
elected
mayor,
an
elected
sheriff,
an
elected
law
director
in
knox
county,
so
the
declaration
is
clear.
Government
derives
its
power
from
the
consent
of
the
govern.
C
We
elect
a
legislative
branch,
we
exec
elect
an
executive
branch
and
if
somebody
wants
a
doctor
running
the
county
as
their
mayor,
then
a
doctor
should
run
and
we
should
elect
to
elect
that
doctor.
If
that's
what
people
choose
to
do,
but
in
our
form
of
government
we
have
an
executive
branch
that
executes
the
laws
that
are
passed
by
the
legislative
branch
and
no
unelected
bureaucratic
board
should
ever
be
able
to
step
in
and
overrule
an
elected
mayor.
Who
is
the
executive?
C
Who
is
the
executive
and
account
of
an
accounting
and
as
the
is
the
head
of
the
executive
branch
and
that's
what's
been
happening
specifically
in
knox,
county
and
madison?
There's
an
example
of
madison
chairman
todd
would
be
able
to
speak
to
this
better
than
me.
But
there
was
a
really
controversial
issue
in
madison
county
that
the
county
commission
pushed
to
the
health
board
because
it
was
politically
toxic.
C
C
That
became
aware-
and
farm
bureau
has
probably
talked
to
some
of
you
guys
about
this.
There
was
a
county
in
the
western
part
of
our
state
that
board,
so
they
are
pushing
to
start
their
own
health
board
in
that
county
to
help
regulate
to
provide
some
regulation
in
the
county
for
a
politic
for
an
issue
that
is
extremely
political,
but
the
county
commission
doesn't
want
to
touch
it.
So
there's
consideration
about
forming
a
health
board
for
them
to
be
able
to
make
the
decisions,
because
again,
an
unelected
health
board
is
not
accountable
to
the
people.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Let
me
say
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
and
everybody
you've
had
to
deal
with
and
balance
out
competing
ideas
and
opinions
and
thoughts
on
this.
So
I
appreciate
the
work
you've
done
on
the
on
this
and
I'll
confess.
I
think
I
like
some
of
the
earlier
versions
better,
but
to
clarify
here
with
the
change
in
some
of
the
director,
the
county
health
officer,
both
advise
the
county
mayor,
so
advise
the
county
mayor
on
the
enforcement.
E
Is
it
your
intent
that
the
mayor
will
actually
have
authority
to
approve
this
enforcement
in
subsection
two
and
actually
approaching
of
rules
and
regulations
and
subsection
three
or
will
he
just?
Will
he
just
be
in
a
position
of
being
informed
by
the
health
director?
Does
that
make
sense?
Oh.
C
Thank
you
chairman,
yes,
representative
leatherwood,
it
does
make
sense,
so
I
was
really
careful
and
based
on
commitments
that
I
made
to
chairman
terry
chairman
ramsey
and
chairman
kumar,
as
well
as
the
governor's
office.
I
was
really
specific
about
the
title
that
we
reference
here
and
I'm
only
I'm
only
making
a
change
again.
Two
changes
two
word
changes
within
68
201
that
is
related
to
the
health
board,
so
I'm
not
making
any
changes
to
the
section
of
code
related
to
the
health
director
related
to
the
health
department.
C
This
is
just
related
to
the
health
board,
so
the
the
decision
making
and
hierarchy
in
these
counties
will
function
the
exact
same
way
as
it
does
in
the
state.
So
the
county
health
director
will
make
the
decisions
has
all
the
authority
that
68
still
gives
the
county
health
director,
but
the
county
health
director
ultimately
is
accountable
to
the
county
mayor
who
hires
and
fires
that
county
health
director.
C
It's
the
same
hierarchy
and
decision
making.
That's
here
in
the
state,
commissioner:
piercy
has
an
credible
authority
to
say,
take
certain
steps,
but
ultimately
the
governor
is
the
executive
of
the
state
and
she
is
accountable
to
him.
She
reports
to
him,
so
that
would
simply
what
this
bill
does
it
restores
that
balance?
It
removes
the
health
board.
Is
this
ultimate
oligarchy
and
power
within
these
counties,
whether
it's
being
exercised
or
not?
They
have
that
power.
E
You
reckon,
and
earlier
versions
seem
to
just
deal
with
a
time
of
pandemic
state
wide
state
of
emergency
pandemic
or
county-wide
epidemic.
E
A
C
Recognizing
that,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes
I
mean
this.
This
applies
to
any
current
health
board
or
any
any
health
board
that
may
be
formed,
which
is
again
one
of
farm
bureau's
concerns
about
when
the
pandemic
ends.
If
additional
health
boards
are
formed,
this
bill
is
not
passed
and
they
have
incredible
authority
in
these,
especially
in
rural
communities,
to
regulate
without
the
executive.
Have
any
any
say
in
that
regulation.
C
A
Thank
you
any
further
questions
on
the
amendment.
Okay,
seeing
none,
we
are
voting
on
amendment
3975,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
opposed
eyes
habit.
We
are
back
on
the
bill
as
amended.
I
have
some
questions
from
the
members
representative,
clemens
you're
recognized.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor.
I
understand
your
concerns
on
this.
You
referenced
the
farm
bureau
a
few
times.
I've
spoken
to
the
farm
bureau
and
I
think
their
concerns
are
on
another
issue
entirely.
I
don't
know
if
it's
tangentially
related
or
not,
but
I
just
want
to
be
careful
about
the
farm
bureau's
position
there
and
make
sure
we're
clear
on
that
and
if
they
want
to
clarify
I'm
sure
they'll
come
in
and
do
it,
but
who
appoints
the
the
public
health
board
chairman.
C
Zachary,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
question
about
farm
bureau.
I've
met
with
farm
bureau.
Farm
bureau
actually
has
a
bill
related
to
the
health
boards.
That's
really
narrow
in
scope,
so
their
concern
is
about
the
power
of
the
health
board.
I've
met
with
stefan
and
the
farm
bureau
many
times.
So.
Thank
you
for
asking
that
clarifying
question
in
terms
of
who
appoints
the
the
health
board.
It's
the
county
commission.
A
H
G
C
G
Whereas
you
know
somebody
like
a
mayor
whether
it
be
an
attorney
a
wrestler,
somebody
else
might
not
be
as
qualified.
So
it
seems
like
we
want
to
remove
politics
from
these
important
decisions
and
allow
people
who
are
actually
qualified
to
speak
to
these
issues
and
and
and
make
a
decision
in
the
best
interest
of
public
health
and
welfare
making
the
decision.
Why
would
we
want
to
take
that
out
of
their
hands
and
put
it
into
politics?.
C
Chairman
zachary,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
bringing
up
the
davidson
county
health
board,
so
I've
got
the
list
of
the
health
board
here
and
I
think
actually
you
and
I
agree
on
the
point
that
we
need
the
medical
professionals
making
these
decisions
most
equipped
to
do
so,
and
that's
why
the
health
department
and
the
health
director
in
those
individual
counties
need
to
be
the
ones
making
these
decisions
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
the
makeup
of
the
health
board
here
in
davidson
county,
because
you
would
reference
their
expertise
in
dealing
with
a
pandemic
on
the
health
board
of
davidson
county.
C
You
have
a
psychiatrist,
you
have
a
registered
nurse.
You
have
an
administrator
at
vandy,
you
have
a
senior
director
of
licensing
and
certification
at
a
particular
company
that
I
won't
name.
You
have
an
orthopedic
surgeon
and
then
you
have
a
doctor
of
internal
medicine,
so
you
actually
have
one
doctor
of
internal
medicine,
along
with
an
orthopedic,
a
in
two
administrators,
a
registered
nurse
and
a
psychiatrist.
So
while
those
are
fantastic
people
to
be
on
an
advisory
board,
which
is
what
this
bill
does,
that
is
not
we.
C
We
don't
have
a
system
of
government
in
the
united
states
that
allows
a
fourth
branch,
an
unelected
bureaucratic
branch
of
government
to
make
decisions
without
recourse
from
the
we,
the
people,
because
we,
the
people,
elect
the
county
executive,
your
health
director,
my
health
director.
They
report
directly
to
the
county
executive.
Now
they
have
incredible
leeway
based
on
tca
68.
But
I
you-
and
I
agree
on
the
point-
that
the
health
professionals
and
those
best
equipped
to
make
those
decisions
should
be
making
them.
And
that's.
C
G
G
I
mean
these
all
people
bring
a
different
perspective,
but
ultimately
a
appreciation
for
the
public,
health
and
welfare
and
making
decisions
in
that
interest,
taking
it
out
of
their
hands
and
putting
it
into,
let's
say
a
mayor
who
might
not
have
any
qualification
whatsoever
lawyer
or
otherwise
seems
like
we're,
inserting
politics
into
the
equation
on
a
very
important
decision,
such
as
a
pandemic.
I
think,
which
is
your
focus
here
or
the
impetus
behind
this,
so
why
would
we
want
to
do
that?
Chairman.
C
And
I
think
that's
where
we
have
this
misunderstanding,
because
this
amendment
is
really
clear
that
this
is
an
invite.
This
moves
to
an
advisory
board
through
the
county
health
director
and
into
the
into
the
mayor,
so
we're
taking
we're
taking
politics
out
of
it,
because
this
board
that
has
been
become
so
politically
toxic
in
some
of
our
communities,
we're
removing
them
from
the
process
moving
them
back
to
an
advisory
board
to
where.
C
If
you
talk
to
the
health
board,
which
I
have
multiple
constituents
on
our
knox
county
health
board,
they
have
privately
told
me-
they
were
brought
on
and
appointed
as
an
advisory
board.
The
knotts
county
health
board
website
actually
had
advisory
board
listed
before
this
pandemic
began.
We're
elected.
We
we're
accountable
to
people.
We
represent
the
people.
We
knew
exactly
what
we
were
signing
up
for
the
people
on
this
health
board
were
not
elected.
C
They
had
no
idea,
they
would
ever
be
thrust
into
a
position
where
they
would
be
the
ultimate
authority
in
a
county,
basically
issuing
orders
mandates
which
are
effectively
law
with
a
criminal
penalty
and
be
bombarded
by
the
by
we,
the
people,
because
they
are
the
ultimate
authority.
So
I
would
say
we
are
removing
politics
from
this
and
make
putting
this
authority
back
in
the
putting
the
authority
back
in
the
hands
of
the
county
health
director,
because
that's
exactly
what
the
legislation
says
again,
I
have
no.
C
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
think
we
have
a
disagreement
in
that
respect
and
and
you
you
keep-
you
referred
to
him
as
an
oligarchy
and
these
types
of
things
and
these
unelected
folks
making
decisions,
but
every
single
day
unelected
people
make
decisions.
I
mean
we
have
a
administrative
regulatory
system
that
makes
it
a
lot
of
important
decisions
at
the
state
and
local
levels,
and
so
I'm
a
little
confu
you
keep
using
this
example
of.
G
We
don't
want
these
locals
to
be
more
powerful
than
the
governor,
but
we
sat
on
an
ad
hoc
committee
this
year
with
the
governor's
executive
powers,
the
subject
of
that
and
you
and
others
repeatedly
said
we
don't
want
the
governor
making
these
decisions.
We
want
local
government
and
local
leaders
making
these
decisions,
so
I
just
trying
to
figure
out,
which
is
it.
C
Well,
in
terms
of
what
we're
right
now
I
mean
sorry,
mr
chairman:
go
ahead:
okay,
yeah!
I
thought
you
told
me
to
hold
on
in
terms
of
what
we
want.
I
mean
you
and
I
probably
want
two
very
different
things,
but
in
terms
of
what
I
want
in
the
intent
of
this
legislation
is
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
proper
balance
of
government.
We
have
three
branches
of
government
not
for
right
now,
with
this
in
the
four
counties
that
have
a
health
board,
we
have
a
fourth
branch
of
government
period.
G
Thank
you.
I
mean,
I
don't
necessarily
know
that
we
have
or
want
different
things,
but
I
guess
my
question
is
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
the
viewpoint
here
and
what's
behind
the
legislation
because,
like
I
said,
we
spent
the
all
session
in
this
ad
hoc
committee
talking
about
how
powerful
or
too
powerful
the
governor
was.
We
wanted
local
control,
but
now
we
don't
want
to
look
in
control
and
you're,
arguing
that
the
governor
should
have
more
power.
G
A
Thank
you,
representative,
mitchell,
you're
wearing
us.
I
I
I
think
they've
saved
thousands
of
lives
here
in
davidson
county
and
probably
saved
thousands
of
lives
throughout
the
state
by
you
know
controlling
the
spread
of
the
virus.
At
a
point
in
time
where
I'm
I'm,
I
thank
god.
Every
day
they
had
the
authority
to
do
what
was
necessary
when,
when
other
people
in
this
state
set
on
their
hands
and
refused
to
make
any
decisions
or
or
you
know,
make
any
political
decisions
that
would
hurt
a
vote.
I
You
know,
because
in
in
a
pandemic,
it's
not
about
a
vote,
it's
about
living
and
dying,
and
I
think
you
referred
to
a
minigo.
Did
you
say
we
had
a
you?
Have
a
vet
on
the
board
of
health
in
in
knox
county.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
a
statute
tca
68
gives
the
authority
for
the
adoption
of
a
veterinarian
on
the
health
board.
I
Yeah
and
you
recognize
that,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and,
and
I
think
you
know
and
you
you
name
some
other
professions
on
the
board
and
you
know,
and
then
you
cited
a
lot
of
the
you
know,
people
on
the
metro
board
of
health.
I
It's
a
it's
a
veterinarian
and,
and
we
have
a
pediatrician
who
is
the
commissioner
of
health?
Currently,
so
I
don't
know
if
I
would.
You
know,
question
the
credentials
of
the
the
metro
health
board
and-
and
I
think
you
said
the
county
commission
up
there
appoints,
but
I
I
I
would
be
safe
to
say
that
the
county
mayor
probably
puts
up
those
nominations.
I
Okay,
so
it
goes
back
to
judgment-
and
you
know
I
I
think
I'll
put
up
with
dr
ya
hanger
and
his
decision
decision-making
and
the
number
of
people
he
saved.
I
I
think
you
said
you
have
a
problem
primarily
with
your
county
and
I
think
it's
the
judgment
of
the
people
who
are
appointing
the
people
on
the
board.
I
think
the
folks
on
metro
that
are
on
the
board.
They
knew
what
they
were
getting
into.
Thank
god
they
knew
what
they
were
getting
into
and
they've
done
a
good
job.
I
They've
had
some
other
people,
let
them
down
maybe
on
up
the
ladder,
but
metro's
done
all
they
can
do
so.
I
just
feel
like
you're
you're
jeopardizing
the
health
of
the
citizens
of
my
county
by
doing
making
this
political
again,
that's
been
the
problem.
All
along
with
this
pandemic,
we've
tried
to
make
everything
political
living
and
dying
is
not
political.
I
I
I
Sometimes,
but
you
know
sometimes
you
got
to
do
what
what's
best
for
folks
and
not
what
always
what
they
like,
because
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
some
people
didn't
get
to
go
out
to
some
restaurants,
I'm
sorry,
some
people,
maybe
didn't
get
to
go,
get
their
haircut
when
they
wanted
to,
but
we
were
trying
our
best
to
save
their
lives
and
and
to
bring
this
and
to
make
this
political.
I
I
I'm
I'm
disturbed
by
that
so
with
that
being
said,
go
ahead
with
your
bill,
but
I
I
hope
the
judgment
of
this
committee
sees
beyond
politics
and
we
do
what's
right.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
your
blessing
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
my
bill,
and
I
think
you
and
I
also
share
some
common
ground
as
well.
This
is
also
as
frustrated
as
I've
been
since
I've
been
serving
in
the
general
assembly
based
on
where
we
are
right
now.
J
Thank
you,
chairman,
terry,
and
thank
you
chairman
zachary,
for
bringing
a
bill
after
talking.
I
know
that
our
county
mayor
has
indeed
blessed
this
bill
if
we're
using
that
terminology,
but
what
we
are
witnessing
is
not
just
a
crisis
of
health,
but
people's
livelihoods
have
been
at
stake,
and
while
there
might
be
an
effort
to
frame
this
as
political,
we
are
yet
again
yielding
to
the
false
belief
that
we
can't
have
our
prosperity,
that
we
can't
have
our
public
health
and
that
we
can't
have
our
liberty
simultaneously.
J
A
A
J
A
motive
in
a
second
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
committee
members.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
start
by
saying
that
this
is
a
piece
of
legislation
before
you
that
passed
the
house
98
to
nothing
last
year,
so
I've
been
told
to
lead
with
that,
but
but
there
are
a
lot
of
other
great
things
that
happen
in
this
in
this
bill.
J
This
is
the
safe
act,
and
what
we're
doing
here
is
we
are
creating
some
some
standards,
some
encouragement
for
sober
living
homes
to
adhere
to
national
accreditation
standards.
It
was
something
we
actually.
I
began
work
on
as
a
freshman.
This
was
one
of
the
first
bills
that
I
carried
was
to
create
the
original
safe
act.
What
this
does
is
this
comes
back
and
it
expands
upon
it
and
and
provides
a
much
safer.
J
I
believe
provide
will
provide
for
a
much
safer
recovery
environment
for
folks
after
they've
left
a
licensed
residential
treatment
facility
or,
if
they've
gone
to
one
or
not,
but
if
they
go
into
a
what
we
typically
call
to
a
halfway
house
or
a
sober
living
home.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
folks
are
not
being
taken
advantage
of
and
going
into
what's
called
a
flop
house
okay.
J
A
Questions
on
the
bill,
seeing
none,
we
will
be
voting
on
house
bill
two
one.
Five,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
bill
moves
on
to
calendar
and
rules?
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
committee.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
three
and
now
there's
just
chairman
ruder,
I
think
we'll
be
presenting
house
bill.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
an
administration
bill.
This
legislation
will
increase
efficiencies
within
the
department
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
by
aligning
the
statue
with
department
practices
with
that
I'll
take
any
questions.
A
A
That
brings
us
to
item
number
four
bill.
13.,
chairman
hulsey,
you
are
recognized.
You
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
K
I
understand
there's
another
amendment
that's
proposed
on
my
bill
and
before
you
vote
on
it,
I
would
like
to
to
argue
against
it
this
bill's
traveling
with
another
amendment
that
came
from
the
subcommittee.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay,
chairman,
as
as
the
bill
isn't
right
now,
we
would
have
to
put
those
the
amendment
that
came
out
of
subcommittee
back
on
the
bill.
So
if
you
want
to
present
your
bill
before
it's
amended,
you
may
do
that.
Okay,.
K
I'm
I
wasn't
going
to
try
to
address
the
first
amendment
that
that
pulled
out
the
44
hospitals
or
institutions
that
are
owned
by
government.
I
wasn't
going
to
argue
on
that.
There's
a
new
amendment.
I
understand
that
there
are
two
new.
K
Can
okay,
okay,
the
bill's,
pretty
pretty
simple
and
pretty
short
it
just
says
that
state
government
and
local
government
cannot
force
somebody
or
require
somebody
to
receive
a
covet
19
vaccine
against
their
will.
It
does
not
apply
to
private
business.
This
is
state
government
and
local
government
and
that's
that's
the
bill.
A
Any
questions
on
the
bill
as
it
is:
okay,
president
clemens,
do
you
recognize.
G
It's
mine
is
it
am.
I
under
is
my
understanding
correct
that
this
specifically
applies
to
cova
19
vaccine.
Only.
G
K
K
It
will
be
a
force
thing
now,
whether
that's
true
or
not,
I
don't
know,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
are
very
afraid
of
it,
and
so
the
purpose
of
the
bill
was
twofold:
to
try
and
assuage
some
of
that
fear
and
to
carve
out
just
a
little
piece
of
constitutional
integrity
with
it.
President
clements.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
think
this
appears
to
be,
and
I
understand
I
appreciate
your
your
your
position
on
this
and
I
understand
the
fears
of
some
across
the
state
of
tennessee
in
this
regard.
But
right
now
I
I
see
this
as
a
problem
that
doesn't
exist
that
we're
trying
to
solve
before
the
problem
even
arises.
G
So
you
know,
I
think,
if,
if
a
push
were
to
be
made
after
fda
approval
or
further
action
at
the
federal
level,
taking
this
bill
up
at
that
time
would
be
maybe
appropriate,
but
right
now
it
seems
a
bit
premature.
G
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
halsey,
I'm
over
here
the
the
there's
a
word
in
the
bill
that
I
guess
I
need
some
clarity
on
when
we
talk
about
coercion.
D
What
I'm
getting
at
is
that
if
the
governor
someone
does
a
a
a
public
service
announcement,
suggesting
people
get
the
best
vaccine
would
that
be
considered
coercion?
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
get
what
we
would
see
as
coercion
when
it
when
it
comes
to
this
legislation.
K
A
Any
further
questions:
okay,
representative
mitchell,
you're
recognized.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
and
representative
halsey.
I
I
believe
you're
you're,
trying
to
do
what
you
think
is
best
for
people's
rights
and
liberties,
but
I
just
got
a
question
for
you.
So
these
new
variants
that
are
coming
down
the
pike-
let's
say
one
of
those
just
starts
running
rampant
through
through
the
society.
I
I
Wouldn't
you
hate
that
we've
got
this
on
the
books.
That's
gonna
hinder,
hinder,
saving
a
lot
of
lives
because
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
it
or
not,
the
supreme
court
ruled
in
jacobson
versus
massachusetts
in
1905
it
created
something
that
the
supreme
court
still
uses
today.
It's
called
the
reasonableness
test
and
a
reasonable
test
is
it?
I
So
my
concern
is,
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
an
exemption
for
a
few
and,
like
representative
clement
said
you
know,
they're
exempted
current.
You
know
no
one's
gonna
force
anybody
right
now
that
doesn't
want
it,
but
I'm
just
scared.
If
we
pass
your
your
bill
that
we
could
get
in
a
situation
where
we've
got
this
law
on
the
books-
and
it
gets
to
the
point
where
we
have
to
just
for
the
good
of
all-
you
know:
what
do
we
do?
What
do
we
do
with
these
people
that
you
know
your
bill
affects?
I
K
K
I
Representative
mitchell
yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Not
no,
in
fact,
courts
as
of
recent
as
last
year
have
used
this
this
landmark
case
as
a
standard
for
their
ruling
in
several
of
the
lockdowns.
You
know
I
I
would
hate
to
wait
on
the
general
assembly
or
the
governor.
I
mean
we
can't
get
decisions
on
a
mask,
much
less
a
vaccine
to
save
people.
I
you
know
represented,
I
think.
Sometimes
you
know
less
is
more.
I
You
know
you're
you're,
the
conservative
in
this
you
know
putting
another
law
on
the
books
just
to
put
something
else
in
the
green
books
may
not
be
the
best
for
for
the
public
as
a
whole.
In
this
situation,
right
now
nobody's
going
to
force
anybody
to
get
this
vaccine.
That's
about
20
years
in
the
making.
The
the
science
behind
this
is
about
20
years
old
and,
coming
to
this
point,
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
this.
I
I
I
think
we
should
think
long
and
hard
before
we
put
another
hindrance
on
saving
lives.
You
know
the
supreme
court
has
said
this
is
not
an
infringement
upon
anybody's
liberty
to
to
save
the
public.
You
know
as
a
whole,
I.e
the
smallpox
pandemic,
and
then
they
had
the
spanish
flu
right
after
that,
15
years
after
that,
and
now
we're
in
this
pandemic,
I
just
think
it
we're
going
down
a
bad
road.
I
You
know
this
is
the
health
committee
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
out
for
the
health
of
the
citizens
of
tennessee
and
we're
all
for
one
so
far
today,
I
hope
we're
not
over
two.
Thank
you.
L
You,
mr
chairman,
chairman
hulsey,
I
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill.
I
think
it's
some
strong
legislation
and
I
like
it
in
this
original
form,
and
I
think
that
you
should
present
it
with
no
apologies
because
to
amend
it,
it
waters
down
the
intent
and
eventually
we
keep
whittling
away
at
it,
and
it's
it's
losing
what
it's
intended
to
do.
This
isn't.
This
is
more
than
about
an
experimental,
untested
vaccine.
L
This
is
about
the
freedom
of
every
tennessean
in
this
state.
This
allows
every
tennessean
to
choose
their
own
destiny
and
it
and
and
it
should
be
between
them,
god
and
their
physician,
on
which
kind
of
medical
care
or
health
care
they
choose,
or
the
lack
of
I
like
your
legislation.
I
like
it
in
this
original
form,
and
it
has
my
support.
Thank
you,
sir.
K
M
H
Thank
you,
representative
halsey.
I
like
your
bill
in
its
original
form.
H
I
totally
agree
with
you
to
disagree
with
our
representative
here,
there's
a
big
difference
between
forcing
someone
to
give
their
child
a
vaccine
that
has
not
been
tested
or
a
person
who
is
ill
that
feels
it's
not
safe
for
them
to
take
it,
but
it
is
about-
and
I
agree
with
representative
over
here-
it
is
about
our
individual
liberties
and
our
rights
to
choose
what
is
best
for
our
families,
for
our
persons
and
not
be
forced
to
take
a
vaccine.
We
do
not
want
to
take.
A
Thank
you
any
comments,
you
good,
okay.
Before
we
get
to
the
amendments,
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment
before
we
get
to
those
amendments.
I
do
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill.
As
I
said
in
subcommittee,
I
have
been.
I
have
taken
the
vaccine.
I
think
I
may
have
been
one
of
the
first
legislators,
if
not
the
first
legislator,
to
get
both
doses.
A
That
was
a
personal
choice
between
me,
my
family,
my
doctor,
I've
researched,
all
that
I
view
this
as
kind
of
a
glorified
right
to
try
and
that
you
have
the
right
to
try
and
you
have
the
right
not
to
try,
and
so
I
do
appreciate
this
bill
and
I
do
like
the
bill
in
the
in
the
current
form
unamended.
So
with
that
we
do
have
an
amendment
that
came
out
of
the
subcommittee
amendment
3720.
F
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
the
upon
the
filing
of
this
bill,
the
tennessee
hospital
association.
I
need
a
motion.
F
I
had
come
to
me
and-
and
they
asked
me
to
establish
the
intent
of
the
bill
from
the
sponsor
being
the
intent
to
prevent
any
government
hospital
from
requiring
code
vaccine.
Even
though
medical
and
religious
exemptions
are
always
available
to
those
employees
by
the
federal
law
and-
and
we
established
that
that
was
the
intent
of
the
bill.
F
We
have
45
government
hospitals
across
the
state
ones.
In
my
district
we
depend
on
them
typically
they're
they're,
one
of
the
four
fourth
or
fifth,
the
biggest
employers
in
the
community.
They
are
essential
and
recruitment
of
industry
and
and
issues
like
that.
So
so
my
responsibility
is
to
listen
to
their
requirements
and
they
asked
me
to
to
offer
this
amendment
to
exempt
to
those
45
government
hospitals
from
the
bill.
So
I
I
have
other
discussions
from
the
hospital
association,
but
but
I'll
await
any
questions
that
we
have
on
that.
A
I
I
do
have
a
some
clarification
I
would
like
to
get
from
the
from
our
council
here.
I
believe
that
this
amendment
goes
beyond
just
the
hospitals
and
I
would
like
clarification
from
matt
king
on
that.
N
Chairman,
terry,
the
the
amendment
speaks
to
a
health
care
facility
and
it
defines
a
healthcare
facility
as
an
institution
place
or
building
that
provides
healthcare
services
and
is
required
to
be
licensed
under
this
title
or
title
33,
and
so
it
does
not
speak
only
to
hospitals
it
would.
It
would
speak
to
any
health
care
facility
that
would
fall
within
that
definition.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Either
it's
a
government
hospitals,
private
hospital.
My
bill
doesn't
address
private
hospitals,
so
I
can't
do
anything
about
that.
K
This
deals
with
government
state
government
and
local
government,
so
I
don't
like
amending
out
these
44
or
45
hospitals
because
in
my
mind,
you're
saying
employees
who
work
at
those
hospitals
don't
have
a
choice
about
their
own
personal
sovereignty
and
they
can.
They
can
be
forced
to
take
this
vaccine.
I
don't
like
that,
but
other
hospitals
that
are
outside
of
government
purview.
I
don't
have
any
control
over
with
this
bill.
M
M
Do
you
see
the
situation
that
an
employee
of
a
hospital
or
a
nursing
home
who
exercising
his
right
of
liberty
does
not
take
the
vaccination
and
comes
to
work
and
they
happen
to
get
exposed
on
the
outside?
Do
you
see
the
risk
that
they
would
bring
the
virus
into
the
facility
and
make
other
vulnerable
people
sick.
A
Chairman
kumar,
we
are
on,
are
you
directing
that
to
chairman
hulsey
or
to
the
sponsor
of
the
amendment.
M
K
I
will
just
tell
you
my
my
my
father
is
96
years
old,
my
mother's
92
years
old.
They
live
in
assisted
living,
since
this
whole
mess
started
that
assisted
living
place
has
been
very,
very
diligent
about
testing
all
the
staff,
all
the
nurses,
all
the
workers
who
work
in
this
assisted
living
they
haven't
had
any
problems
at
all.
K
To
me,
the
diligence
on
that
side
pays
off
the
liberty
that
we're
talking
about
to
me
far
outweighs
rules
or
regulations
or
attempts
to
force
somebody
to
take
a
vaccine
and
when
we
get
on
the
other
amendment,
I'll
I'll,
try
and
be
a
little
more
verbose
about
that.
But
but
I
think
I
think,
there's
other
ways
to
accommodate.
People
like
the
eeoc
recommends
reasonable
accommodation.
M
I
submit
to
you
that
cannot
be
replicated
in
all
facilities
as
many
facilities
that
we
have,
and
I
think
I'm
surprised
that
you
would
not
acknowledge
the
fact
that,
with
this
bill
or
amendment
with
the
concept
that
a
person
has
the
liberty
to
not
take
a
vaccination
and
yet
go
to
work
and
play
at
a
place
where
there
are
vulnerable
people
there,
I
I
don't
know
how
we
can
walk
away
from
it,
how
you
can
walk
away
from
it.
That's
reality.
M
K
You
have
yes,
chairman
you're,
I'm
sorry,
you're
recognized
and,
and
there
has
been
and
it's
awful.
I
I
just
went
to
a
funeral
recently
of
a
lifetime
friend
of
mine,
whose
kids
play
with
my
kids
went
to
church
for
years
and
died
of
coping.
I
don't
like
losing
one
person,
and
I
can't
negate
that.
M
M
I
gave
an
example
or
the
fact
that
every
bill
that
we
pass
at
the
end
of
it,
the
last
sentence
is
this:
will
bill
will
become
law
on
this
day,
public
welfare
requiring
it
those
words
public
welfare
requiring
it?
In
this
situation,
we
are
going
to
change
them
to
my
personal
quest
for
liberty
requiring
it,
because
when
it
comes
to
public
welfare
sincerely,
it's
allowing
people
who
are
a
potential
risk
to
walk
into
these
facilities.
M
M
A
You,
chairman
halsey,
no,
I
don't.
F
F
And-
and
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
the
don't
don't
misunderstand
this
is
employees-
this
is
not
patience.
F
This
is
not
people
that
that
are
in
residence
in
nursing
homes
and
and
the
hospital
employees
were,
they
were
required
to
get
vaccinated
most
the
hospitals
or
all
the
hospitals
would
certainly
honor
the
medical
and
religious
exemptions
that
are
offered
federally
and,
and
most
of
them
would
would
make
efforts
to
require
make
these
people
that
didn't
want
to
take
it
where
personal
protective
equipment
are
working
in
additional
areas
or
or
have
some
other
alternative,
but
but
they
just
want
the
right
to
do
this
for
their
employees.
Only.
A
Okay,
thank
you
before
we
have
some
more
members
that
do
have
some
questions.
I
want
some
more
clarification
from
our
council
on
this,
as
it
talks
to
employees
or
to
person,
and
then
secondly,
as
this
relates
to
departments
the
department
of
health
buildings
and
whether
or
not
they
can
promulgate
rules
based
on
the
way.
This
amendment
is
written.
N
Chairman
the
way
the
amendment
3720
is
structured,
it
begins
with,
in
subsection
a
subsection,
a
is
essentially
a
repeat
of
what
is
in
the
original
bill.
It
is
that
preemptive
prohibition
on
state
local
government
from
forcing
coercing
or
requiring
a
person
to
receive
the
covet
immunization.
N
That
means
that
now,
where
the
amendment
the
way,
the
amendment
functions,
if
it
were
to
go
on
the
bill,
is
that,
instead
of
being
prohibited
from
forcing
requiring
coercing
a
person
to
receive
an
immunization
or
vaccination
for
coven
19.
in
the
context
of
a
health
care
facility,
the
government
would
still
be
able
to
do
that.
A
N
A
All
right,
thank
you,
representative,
freeman,
you're
recognized.
O
Thank
you,
chairman
and
chairman,
thank
you
again
for
the
explanation
of
this
and
and
I
I
feel
like
we
keep
getting
twisted
up
under
the
forcing
versus
requiring
and
talking
about
individual
liberty
versus
liberty
for
the
greater
good,
and
I
I
guess
I
just
go
back
to
and
and
kumar
made
the
comment.
O
I
don't
think
anybody
is
going
to
hold
somebody
down
and
force
them
to
get
a
shot,
and
that's
that's
kind
of
the
the
idea
that
I
keep
hearing,
but
but
I
do
believe
that
that
many
of
the
people
in
their
businesses
or
industries
and
these
these
three
amendments
should
have
the
right
to
to
require
their
employees
if
they
choose
to
continue
to
work
there,
which
is
their
choice.
They
do
have
the
liberty
to
decide
to
work
at
a
different
facility
or
let
the
market
choose
where
they
want
to
work
based
on
the
working
conditions.
O
But
I
do
believe
that
that
an
industry
should
have
the
right
to
set
the
conditions
in
which
that
job
needs
to
be
done
and
if
they
believe
that
to
protect
a
vulnerable
populace
that
they
want
their
employees
to
get
vaccinated.
So
they
can't
spread
it.
I
think
they
should
do
it.
I
don't
think
they
can
require
and
hold
down
their
employees
to
do
it.
Those
people
have
a
right
to
find
another
job
and
again,
I
just
think
we
keep
getting
twisted
up
on
the
forcing
versus
requiring
and
anyway
that
that's
that's
my
comment.
P
Williams,
I'm
so
confused.
Now
I
don't
even
know
who
to
ask
the
question
to,
but
I
guess
I
represent
a
district
that
has
a
a
governmental
owned
hospital.
I
heard
from
the
ceo
of
my
hospital.
P
I
know
that
they
have
these.
Frontline
workers
were
some
of
the
first
to
be
able
to
get
vaccines
they
and
distribute
those
in
my
community,
but
the
hospital
never
required
people
to
do
it.
P
My
fear
is,
and
and
came
in
here
in
full
support
of
the
amendment,
the
four
or
five
hospitals,
but
now
I'm
hearing
it
could
be
a
wide
range
of
of
medical
facilities,
and
so
in
my
community
we
had
law
enforcement.
27
percent
took
the
vaccine,
it
was
permissible.
Emts
was
31
percent.
It
was
permissible
hospital
employees.
I
don't
know
what
the
percentage
was,
but
I
I
know
quite
a
few
that
didn't
take
the
vaccine.
P
So,
under
what
my
good
friend
and
colleague
said,
there
he's
saying,
go
find
another
job
if
you're
not
willing
to
take
this
vaccine.
That
just
doesn't
make
sense.
I
really
don't
understand
why
we
would
require
someone
to
do
that
in
community
where
they've
worked
and
lived
for
decades,
and
so,
although
I
wanna,
I
wanna
find
a
way
back
to
permissivity,
which
is
also
liberty,
and
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
that
this
amendment
would
actually
allow
for
permissivity
based
upon
what
legal
has
now
deemed
it
to
be.
P
And
so
as
much
as
I
came
in
here
in
support
of
my
fellow
colleague
and
the
concerns
that
he
had.
My
fear
is,
is
that
we
do
in
fact
take
away
a
person's
individual
liberty
to
decide
where
they
want
to
do.
And,
quite
frankly,
if
we
don't
do
it,
they
could
lose
their
job,
whereas
this
is
not
the
current
common
practice
among
these
hospitals
or
governmental
entities.
F
No,
I
honor
the
honor
of
the
representatives
feeling
the
the
and,
as
far
as
as
patients,
we
we
have
a
patient's
bill
of
rights
here
in
tennessee
that
they
can.
They
can
do
anything
they
want
to
check
themselves
out
or
refuse
anything
in
a
hospital.
F
I've
seen
it
happen
too
many
times,
so
so
as
far
as
patients
being
corralled,
but
in
in
the
past
I
think,
even
in
in
flu
epidemics,
there
have
been
some
suggestions
that
I
know
one
particular
person
that
works
in
research
at
vanderbilt,
that
that
the
all
of
their
staff
there
is
required
to
have
vaccinations
for
flu
because
they
work
around
so
many
dangerous
microbes
that
that
they,
if
anybody
gets
sick,
they
have
to
test
them
for
everything
under
the
sun.
So
I
you
know
it.
I.
F
I
trust
the
the
feeling
that
the
hospital
is
responsible
for
the
the
health
care
of
everybody
that
comes
in
there
and
it's
their
opinion
that
they
want
this.
This
option
in
the
future
chairman
holzing.
K
A
Any
further
questions
on
the
amendment:
okay,
seeing
none,
we
will
be
voting
on
amendment
three,
seven,
two
zero,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed
no
eyes
have
it.
We
are
back
on
the
bill
as
amended.
We
have
a
second
amendment.
Amendment
number
4084,
representative,
kumar,
your
record.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members.
This
amendment
is
along
similar
lines
in
the
subcommittee.
As
the
amendment
to
exempt
the
hospital
in
a
health
care
facility
is
passed
it.
It
is
a
natural
say
that
when
we
look
at,
let
us
say,
corrections
facilities
that
are
quite
filled
with
covet
patients.
It
has
spread
very
rapidly
there
and
if
an
employee
or
corrections
officer
from
the
outside
goes
into
that
facility-
and
he
does
not
take
the
vaccination,
he
can
contact
covet
and
bring
it
out
into
a
community
and
to
his
family.
M
Similarly,
in
schools,
the
same
option
applies
or
same
concept
applies,
that
if
a
school
worker
be
an
educator
or
other
services
does
go
in
and
brings
covet
from
the
outside,
they
will
spread
it.
It
is
true
that
children
handle
it
well,
but
children
can
be
carriers
of
the
the
covet
virus.
So
again
it
is
to
protect
public.
It
is
for
public
good
that
we
that
we.
A
M
Thank
you.
I
think
I've
explained
it
in
the
fact
that
again,
it
is
to
protect
public.
It
is
to
protect
the
the
spread
of
covet
virus,
and
it
is
certainly
to
to
ask
the
employees
which
again
tennesseans
have
done
well
and
done
the
right
thing,
but
there
may
be
a
need
to
for
the
hospital
just
like
a
private
facility
or
a
school
or
a
corrections
facility
to
require
that
the
employees
protect
themselves,
thereby
protecting
the
public
public
and
the
the
their
families.
M
With
that,
mr
chairman,
I
move
to
adopt
the
amendment.
Thank
you.
A
There
are
two
extra
amendments.
There
were
three
that
were
that
have
been
filed
on
this
bill,
one
that
came
out
of
the
subcommittee
and
two
by
chairman
kumar.
K
Okay,
can
I
speak
to
this
one?
Yes,
all
right.
We
we
already
carved
out
the
other
amendment
to
exempt
all
these
hospitals.
Now
you
want
to
exempt
school
teachers
and
be
able
to
make
them
take
it.
You
want
to
exempt
corrections,
people
make
them
take
it
and
police
officers,
I'm
assuming
to
make
them
take
it,
which
it's
kind
of
amazing
to
me,
because
school
teachers
are
some
of
the
most
folks
who
have
called
me
or
emailed
me
from
all
over
the
state,
some
of
them
from
your
district
as
a
matter.
K
I
don't
think
anybody
here
would
say:
that's
a
good
thing
to
do
nobody's
pushing
that.
But
if
you
push
the
teacher
to
get
it
and
then
what
you're
saying
is
the
sovereignty
of
the
student
is
more
important
than
the
sovereignty
of
the
teacher.
It's
the
same
thing
in
corrections,
you
got
23
000
inmates
and
14
penitentiaries
in
this
state.
K
M
Thank
you,
mr
sponsor
you're,
extracting
things
out
of
this
amendment
that
are
not
intended.
It's
not
intended
to
split
the
sovereignty
between
various
populations.
I
think
everybody
needs
to
be
be
properly
protected
and
again,
the
purpose
of
the
amendment
completely
is
to
protect
people,
protect
public,
protect
or
avoid
the
spread
of
the
virus.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
H
M
Sure
I
would
think
that
that
that
employee
will
be
subject
to
the
rules,
regulations
and
processes
within
the
entity
that
they
work,
for
I'm
sure
they
will
be,
and
certainly
the
employees
need
to
be
protected.
Public
needs
to
be
protected,
and
maybe
they
will
be
moved
to
another
position
or
in
certain
instances.
Yes,
they
they,
if
they
choose
to
exercise
their
liberty.
To
that
degree,
they
may
need
to
be
willing
to
to
take
the
consequences,
whichever
their
department
has.
That's
what
I
would
think.
H
M
H
I
would
just
share
my
sentiments-
and
I
guess
that
for
all
looking
at
this
from
both
angles
here
and
not
really
pointing
the
finger
at
anybody,
we're
just
trying
to
decide
what
is
a
fair
approach
to
this,
and
this
really
puts
me
in
a
very
bad
position,
and
so
I'm
I'm
thinking
out
loud
as
I
as
I
talk
and
I
apologize
to
the
committee.
H
M
I
certainly
share
your
thoughts,
sentiment
and
struggle,
no
doubt
about
it.
It's
not
easy
for
any
of
us,
and
I
think
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
also
has
struggled
with
it
in
the
sense
that
carrying
the
flame
of
liberty
but
at
the
same
time
potentially
putting
people
at
risk.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
very
difficult
decision
for
all
of
us,
and
I
shared
it
with
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Any
further
questions
on
the
amendment:
okay,
I
okay
representative
mitchell,
you're
recognizing.
I
Yeah
and
mr
chairman
I'll
be
quick,
you
know,
I,
I
think
we're
at
the
dilemma.
You
know
what's
more
important,
someone's
life
or
job
and
I'll
go
back
to
what
I
said
in
the
beginning:
no
one's
going
to
force
anyone
to
take
this
vaccine
currently.
I
K
K
It
is
all-inclusive
because
everything
about
your
life,
public
health
deals
with
when
it's
all
inclusive,
then
it's
unlimited
and
when
it's
unlimited,
the
state
is
unlimited
and
here's
the
crux
of
all
of
it
to
me
it
becomes
omnicompetent,
it's
all-inclusive.
It's
unlimited
and
we
quote
romans
13
around
here
a
lot
about
what
the
responsibility
of
government
is.
If
you
go
exegete
that
correctly
government's
focus
according
to
romans,
13.
K
K
When
public
health
becomes
the
highest
law,
the
constitution
gets
set
aside
and
then
government
their
responsibility
is
no
longer
to
control
evil,
but
their
responsibility
controls
all
men
and
to
me
that
is
the
issue
that
we
are
dealing
with.
Is
that
I've?
I
can
read
you
you've
read
this
you've
got
this
in
your
office.
You
look
at
the
tennessee
constitution.
It
says
that
the
very
first
thing
all
power
is
inherent
in
the
people.
K
K
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
halsey,
you
paint
a
very
extreme
picture
as
if
the
choice
is
between
giving
up
sovereignty,
on
the
one
hand,.
M
M
Life
does
come
before
liberty
in
that
narrative,
and
I
I
don't
think
that
that
means
that
we
ignore
liberty
or
put
liberty
number
two.
I
think
it
is,
would
be
a
judicious
thing
to
use
constitutional
prerogatives
in
a
wise
way,
so
that
life
is
first
and
secured
and
liberty
there.
So
people
can
should
live
so
they
can
enjoy
the
liberty,
and
I
think
there
is
a
balance
that
needs
to
be
reached,
and
you
have
I'm
grateful
to
you.
M
P
When
I
look
at
where
we
are,
and
we've
got
a
few
minutes
left,
we've
got
a
controversial
amendment
in
front
of
us
as
well.
The
role
of
this
body,
as
my
colleague
from
nashville
said
a
minute
ago,
is
to
deal
with
the
health
of
the
people
and
because
of
that,
and
because
I
believe
this
is
a
process
that
needs
not
hurry
and
we
have
a
full
calendar.
O
Questions
so
so
the
the
one
amendment
that
we
have
voted
on
already
does
that
carry
over
the
roll.
P
Just
for
legal
clarification
here,
the
the
the
point
being,
we
would
have
to
rescind
our
actions
to
remove
the
previous
amendment
off
unless
we
could
communicate
with
enough
members
of
the
body
to
pull
it
off
and
put
some
narrowly
drawn
amendment
back
on
there.
So
chairman.
If
I'm
correct,
then
we
would.
This
body
would
come
back
directly
to
where
this
bill
is.
It's
not
an
adjournment,
we're
rolling
a
week.
A
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee
house,
joint
resolution.
Four
is
a
resolution
about
doulas.
The
goal
of
this
legislation
is
to
clarify
the
role
of
a
doula.
A
doula
is
a
trained
non-medical
person
who
provides
non-clinical
emotional,
physical
and
informational
support
before
during
after
labor
and
birth.
Doulas
are
necessary.
Impactful
members
of
the
childbirth
team,
whose
presence
can
have
a
positive
impact
on
maternal
infant
mortality
in
tennessee
doulas,
are
vital
birth
and
community
health
workers
and
would
be
necessary
to
combat
tennessee's
infant
and
maternal
mortality.
Crisis.
A
Any
questions:
okay,
representative
freeman
no
question
has
been
called
on
the
resolution.
All
those
in
favor
of
house
joint
resolution,
four
say:
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it
we
are
on.
You
are
on
two
cal
numerals.
A
F
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
this
bill
has
an
amendment
proposed
for
it,
which
I
find
to
be
very
supportive,
so
I'll
be
glad
to
discuss
the
bill
first
and
we
can
do
the
amendment
or.
F
Okay-
and
I
think
it's
four
one,
seven
nine,
which
actually
we.
A
Have
we
have
two
amendments
on
this
one
change.
The
date
is
three:
six,
nine,
seven.
Let's
get
that
amendment
on
there.
First,
what
that
is
that
correct.
F
Okay,
I
think
I
think
the
four
one-
seven
nine
accomplishes
that
it
has
the
the
date
change
in
it
as
well.
F
A
Fine
yeah,
four
one,
seven
nine
does
not
have
the
change
of
date.
That's
fine!
So
let's
get
three
six
nine
seven
on
their
motion.
Second,
okay,
any
discussion
on
that
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it?
Okay,
we
have
a
second
amendment,
four
one,
seven,
nine.
That
is
a
friendly
amendment.
Yes,
sir!
Yes,
sir,
you
have
motion
a
second.
We
want
to
discuss
that.
Are
we
good
with
that?
I'm
good
with
it.
Okay,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
okay
opposed
eyes.
F
And
the
with
the
application
of
both
of
those
amendments,
this
bill
addresses
only
licensed
professional
art
therapists.
That's
the
that's!
What
the
amendment
did?
The
one
specific
label
after
world
war,
one
the
it
was
found
that
art
was
very
effective
in
communicating
with
children,
adults,
seniors
suffering
from
trauma
and
brain
injuries
and
and
anyone
that
lacked
communication
skills.
F
The
in
1942,
the
practice
of
of
art
was
combined
with
therapy
psychotherapy
and
was
standardized
and
in
1994
the
art
therapy
certification
board
began.
National
credentialing
for
art
therapy,
board,
certification
and,
and
this
bill
is
what
it
does
is
adopts
a
state
license
for
what
the
federal
the
national
board
already.
F
We,
we
heard
only
bills
that
had
had
covered
relief
in
them,
but
there
was
no
bills
that
that
addressed
mental
illness
coverage
and-
and
I'm
told
by
our
largest
mental
health
counseling
provider
in
in
the
the
eastern
region
that
counselors
are
not
going
into
to
counseling
as
much
as
been
a
long
time
since
they
got
any
increases
in
in
salary
and
so
we're
not
getting
as
many
in
school
as
we
used
to
and
and
over
our
lifetime.
F
One
in
four
of
tennessee
citizens
will
be
deemed
as
having
a
a
mental
health
issue.
The
gov
has
provided
new
budgetary
support
for
mental
health
and
the,
but
the
funding
is
not
within
10
care,
which
typically
I'm
told
by
our
providers,
is
50
to
80
percent
of
the
counseling
that
they
do
so.
F
The
art
therapists
are
a
master's
level
mental
health
profession
who
have
specialized
in
education
and
training
to
effectively
work
with
all
ages.
A
wide
range
of
mental
health
needs,
ptsd,
schizophrenia,
cancer
abuse,
national
disaster
and
our
therapy
profession
profession
has
been
heavily
researched
and
and
found
to
be
so
effective
that
the
department
of
defense
employs
art
therapists.
We
have
an
art
therapy
program
from
the
department
of
veterans
in
clarksville
and
second
lady
karen
pence
actually
visited
that
facility,
because
in
2017
she
adopted
art
therapy
as
her
signature
cause.
A
You
need
to
be
recognized,
that's
so
we're
not,
but
if,
with
the
sponsors
indulgence,
I
will
recognize
who
called
the
all
right
leader
grant
you're
again.
H
You're
recognized,
thank
you
sponsor
great
explanation
and
but
question
on
the
bill.
Okay,
do
we.
A
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
with.
We
still
have
calendar
and
all
those
bills
that
we
did
not
get
to
will
be
rolled
to
next
week.
Without
objection,
it
does
not
count
as
a
one
of
the
three
calendared
times
they
have
been
calendared.
So
without
objection.
We
are
adjourned.