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House Health Subcommittee - March 22, 2022 - House Hearing Room 2
A
We
will
convene
the
march
22nd
health
subcommittee
meeting,
and
this
looks
like
we're:
okay
go
ahead
and
madam
clerk,
if
you'd
call
the
roll.
A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Do
we
have
any
personal
orders
this
morning
or
this
afternoon?
If
none,
we
will
move
to
our
calendar.
We
have
had
some
reshuffling.
If
no
objections,
we
will
look
at.
We
had
a
a
addendum
calendar
with
a
bill
from
item
27
house
bill
2290
by
leader
gant,
and
he
has
asked
us
to
move
him
to
the
top
of
the
calendar
here.
So
I
will
do
that
and
I
will
first
recognize
dr
t
pardon.
C
All
right,
thank
you
and
having
had
discussions
with
the
sponsor
on
this
and
knowing
that
there's
other
pieces
of
legislation
that
are
dealing
with
similar
issues,
I've
asked
that
this
does
need
to
be
looked
at
a
little
bit
more
as
we're
dealing
with
other
bills.
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
send
this
to
summer
study.
A
We
have
a
proper
second
motion
and
second
on
the
summer
study
movement.
Anybody
you
want
to
discuss
that
any
questions
or,
if
not
we'll,
be
voting
to
send
this
bill
to
summer
study,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
any
opposition
so
approved.
Thank
you
leader
again.
Thank
you,
chairman
in
committee,.
A
A
Get
a
motion
second
on
the
bill,
have
proper
motion.
Second,
on
the
bill.
Yes,
sir,
you
can
discuss
it.
Thank.
D
You
thank
you
so
much.
This
was
called
a
doctor
protection
bill
and
the
reason
I
ran
it
is
because
the
pressure
seemed
to
come
from
the
fda
down
on
doctors
in
this
state
who,
who
work
very
hard
with
covet
issues,
to
try
to
solve
them
most
of
mainstream
medical's
protocol.
D
For
somebody
who
tests
positive
is
to
go
to
your
house
and
lock
yourself
up
in
there
and
if
you
get
to
where
you
can't
breathe,
go
to
the
emergency
room,
understanding
that
when
you
go
to
hospital
your
chances
of
dying
kind
of
go
up
a
little
bit
and
if
they
shove
a
pipe
down
your
throat,
they
really
go
up.
So
there's
a
group
of
doctors
in
this
state.
Several
of
them
who
said
that's
not
good
enough.
We
need
an
outpatient
protocol
treatment
and
so
they
worked
at
one
and
they
found
things
that
worked.
D
There's
a
group
of
doctors
on
the
east
end
of
the
state
that
I
met
with
about
three
months
ago
that
have
designed
the
protocol.
It's
about
a
five-step
process
as
soon
as
you
test
positive
collectively
they
have
treated
over
8
000
people
and
they
have
not
lost
one
now.
The
whole
purpose
of
this
bill
was
the
fda
seems
to
be
putting
pressure
on
regulatory
boards
to
to
stop
anything
out
of
mainstream,
whether
it
works
or
not.
D
A
A
We
will
move
on
to
item
three
and
I
suppose
your
chest
is
heavy
once
again
and.
D
A
A
D
You,
mr
chairman,
this
all
this
does
is
fix
a
problem
that
was
caused
in
october
when
we
met
in
special
session
back
last
session.
This
this
committee
passed
this
bill
and
the
full
committee
passed
this
bill.
There
was
a
bunch
of
arguing
and
fussing
went
on
with
it,
but
you
did
pass
it
and
it
went
to
the
house
floor
and
we
passed
it
passed
on
the
senate
side.
D
It
was
a
simple
bill
that
said,
the
state
government
local
government
can't
force
somebody
to
take
a
covert
19
vaccine
against
their
will
somehow
in
october,
that
got
bound
up
in
the
covet
bills
that
we
passed
in
some
big,
huge
omnibus
package,
and
it
ended
up
with
a
sunset
on
it,
and
that
was
never
the
intention
of
the
bill.
So
what
this
bill
does
it
takes
the
sunset
date
off
of
it
and
puts
the
bill
back
to
where
it
was
and
what
we
voted
and
what
we
passed
and
that's
that's
about.
It.
A
B
A
E
A
We
will,
we
will
recognize
you
to
explain
the
bill.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
taking
me
up.
I
apologize
to
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
late,
very
simple
and
straightforward.
If
the
feds
permit
us
to
require
work
requirements
on
different
welfare
programs,
then
we
will
do
so
working
with
the
different
departments
to
to
make
sure
that
that
is
appropriately
utilized.
But
right
now
we
do
have
the
ability
to
be
able
to
require
work
requirements.
E
It's
been
shared
with
me
by
several
of
these
departments
that
work
on
this,
that
most
of
the
folks
that
are
on
several
of
these
short-term
benefits
like
tana
for
snap
and
they
actually
are
working,
and
so
most
of
this
is
just
going
to
be
to
ensure
that
that
policy
is
being
implemented,
because
we
want
these
folks
to
actually
work
up
out
of
poverty,
not
fall
back
further
into
poverty.
So
that's
the
goal
is
to
get
folks
either
and
I
should
have
said
working
or
in
work
training.
A
Do
we
have
comments
or
questions
on
the
bill
from
the
committee
the
question's
been
called
for
if
there
are
no
objections,
we'll
be
voting
to
send
this
bill
to
full
committee,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Any
opposition
so
approved
famous
chair.
A
F
Thank
you
yes,
you're
recognizing!
Thank
you,
chairman
and
committee.
You
appreciate
the
the
therapy
you're
providing
all
of
us
today.
I
appreciate
your
your
patience
over
the
last
several
weeks,
and
so
so
what
what
this
bill
has
facilitated
is
bringing
physicians
assistants,
nurse
practitioners
and
just
general
practitioners
to
the
table,
trying
to
figure
out
kind
of
what
that
proper
role
is
to
to
maybe
giving
to
to
getting
to
some
more
practicing
privileges,
perhaps
for
nurse
practitioners,
physicians,
assistants,
really
kind
of
in
filling
that
void,
especially
in
rural
health
care
there's.
F
Unfortunately,
we
do
have
that
shortage
of
general
practitioners
in
rural
areas
and
just
again
trying
to
find
that
proper
niche
and
that
proper
mixture.
But
it's
brought
everyone
to
the
table.
The
senate
and
house
leadership
will
be
putting
together
a
task
force
of
all
these
individuals
trying
to
figure
this
out
for
next
session.
I
think
we're
really
close
to
getting
something
that
works
for
everyone,
but
I
know
I've
rolled
this
to
the
hill
several
times
as
we've
continued
these
negotiations
so
again
just
wanted
to
come
up.
F
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
next
year,
because
I
think
we'll,
I
think,
we'll
we'll
be
there
and
we'll
have
a
solution
with
you.
But
with
that
and
again
thanks
for
the
therapy
I'll,
take
it
off
notice.
A
A
We'll
move
on
to
item
seven
house
bill
2314
by
chairman
griffey,
and
I
think
he
is
not
here
today.
So
with
no
objections.
We
will
roll
that
to
the
heel,
move
on
to
item
eight
house
bill
2416
by
chair
lady
moody,
and
I
think
she
told
us
that
she
might
be
late
today.
So
we
will
roll
that
to
the
heel
on
to
item
9
house
bill
2451
by
chair,
lady
weaver.
You
are
recognized.
A
Excuse
me,
excuse
me,
no
sorry,
but
well
we
just
just
take
it
up.
Take
it
up
with
them.
Take
it
up
with
the
committee
members
later.
I
can't
change
that.
A
We
take
this
item
10
house
bill
2746
by
chair
lady
lynn.
You
are
recognized.
A
On
the
bill
and
do
I
have
a
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment,
does
it
make
the
bill?
Oh
pardon
me,
we
I'm
told
that
you
have
two
amendments.
A
That
does
that
make
the
bill
that.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
to
have
motion
to
have
a
second
on
the
amendment.
I
have
a
second
on
the
amendment
go
ahead
and
we
will
put
that
amendment
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
amending
the
bill,
as
so
mention
say,
aye
any
opposition,
we're
back
on
the
bill
as
amended
you're
recognized
chair,
lady
lynn,.
G
G
G
If
there's
any
drug
interactions
and
prescribe
you
or
let
you
purchase
a
blister
pack
of
ivermectin
that
you
can
take
early
in
your
illness
so
that,
hopefully
you
will
recover
and
not
have
to
worry
about
hospitalization
or
maybe
even
infecting
loved
ones
in
your
household
or
who
want
to
come
see
you,
mr
chairman,
I
have
a
doctor
here
to
testify.
H
From
johnson
city,
I've
treated
covet
over
the
last
two
years
over
4
422
patients.
Now
the
story
of
I
have
no
financial
conflicts
and
no
conflicts
of
interest.
I've
not
charged
any
patients
for
treatment.
The
story
of
ivor
mechton
is
one
of
early
treatment.
Treatment
works
for
both
vaccinated
unvaccinated.
Anyone
that
has
covid
early
treatment
is
the
key,
and
it
is
absolutely
necessary
that
we
allow
our
citizens
of
tennessee
to
have
access
to
this
early
in
the
course
of
their
disease.
It
is
an
extremely
safe
drug.
That's
been
used
since
1987.,
it's
fda
approved.
H
It
is
an
actual.
It
shares
the
course
of
aspirin
and
penicillin
in
that
it
was
derived
from
nature.
It
was
found
in
a
golf
course
in
japan,
in
the
soil,
a
saprophytic
organism
that
made
this
this
medication
and
it's
been
purified
and
used
in
over
79
countries.
It
was
allotted
by
its
manufacturer
merck
as
a
wonder
drug.
It
was
used
humanitarianly
in
the
treatment
of
parasitic
diseases.
It
also
has
antiviral
and
anti-cancer
activity,
as
well
as
anti-inflammatory
activity.
H
H
It's
been
given
weekly
monthly
annually
to
many
many
people,
four
billion
doses
safely,
there's
only
two
medications
that
you
can't
use
with
it.
It
was
even
recommended
by
the
who
that
non-medical
trained
personnel
could
administer
this
drug
in
africa,
so
it
is
very
safe
in
my
own
practice,
my
own
experience.
I've
used
buckets
of
it
in
this
coveted
area.
I
used
it
before
for
scabies,
lice
parasitic
infections
of
missionaries.
H
I
had
much
experience
with
it
before
I
used
it
for
covid
in
in
the
use
of
covid.
There
are
over
81
studies
that
that
verify
its
its
efficacy.
It
is
a
very
safe
and
effective
drug,
both
in
the
prevention
treatment
and
reducing
severe
disease.
A
And
thank
you.
Do
we
have
questions
or
comments
of
our
witness
speaker,
marsha
recognized.
B
H
You
thank
you,
representative
marsh.
Actually,
it's
going
to
be
under
a
standing
order.
That
means
that
a
doctor
either
a
doctor
in
the
community,
or
we
had
even
talked
about
a
statewide
physician,
issuing
a
standing
order.
That
is,
these
people
could
have
it
at
this
dose
with
these
indications
and
they
couldn't
have
it
if
they
have
these
certain
things,
so
it
would
be
a
standing
order,
sort
of
like
in
the
hospital
there
are
some
standing
orders
for
nausea
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
it's
this.
H
H
A
The
department
of
health
has
written
a
prescription
from
the
director
of
the
department
of
health,
commissioner,
and
so
collaborative
pharmacies
all
across
the
state
can
make
that
available
kind
of
over
the
counter,
so
it'd
be
kind
of
a
similar
situation.
Yes,.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
dr
sibley
respect
your
experience
and
the
work
that
you
have
done.
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
a
safe
drug,
you
know
overall
having
been
used
extensively.
I
You
mentioned
81
studies
that
I
don't
know
if
you
use
the
word
overwhelmingly
work
at
that
sense
that
it's
overwhelmingly
effective.
The
studies
that
I
see,
including
an
article
in
the
genre
within
the
last
week
or
so
they're
marginally
effective
to
not
effective
no
harm,
but
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
again.
A
You
recognize
dr
c
blue.
Thank.
H
You,
dr
kumar,
for
that
and
you're
referencing,
a
february
18
19
20
22
paper
out
of
jama
the
itech
randomized
clinical
trial,
where
they
looked
at
ivermectin
treatment
on
mild
to
moderate
disease.
This
was
a
very
small
study.
It
was
underpowered
that
means
that
the
sample
size
was
very
small
about
260
people
in
each
of
the
arms.
H
There
were
a
couple
things
with
it:
the
it
was
open
label
that
is,
the
the
physicians,
knew
who
were
getting
it
and
who
weren't
it
was
conducted
in
the
hospital,
and
that
was
around
day
five
to
seven
so
clearly,
not
early
treatment.
There
was
no
breakout
or
mention
of
vaccination
status.
There
was
no
zinc
or
other
vitamins
given
with
it,
which
is
absolutely
essential
for
its
mechanism
of
action.
H
It's
a
zinc
ionophore,
that
is,
it
helps
the
zinc
to
get
into
the
cell,
and
if
I
don't
have
zinc,
then
it's
like
starting
my
car
without
gas.
If
you
actually
look
at
so
their
end
point
was
reducing
the
the
use
of
oxygen.
Did
it
help
the
patients
not
have
to
use
oxygen?
That
was
the
primary
endpoint,
not
death
and
not
hospitalization.
H
So
if
you
break
that
down,
actually
there
were
three
people
in
the
avermectin
that
died
in
10
in
the
control
group
that
died
now
they
said
that
wasn't
statistically
significant,
but
there
were
actually
12,
because
two
people
didn't
even
make
it
to
the
end
of
the
seven
day
study.
So
there
was
actually
a
70
reduction
in
death
and
there
was
a
reduced
mechanical
ventilation,
4
versus
10..
H
I
No,
no,
dr
kumar!
Thank
you.
No
thank
you
yeah.
I
think
you've
explained
it
very
thoroughly,
but
that
was
just
one
study.
Yes,.
I
H
Sir,
there
are
other
new.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
yes,
sir
chairman
ramsey,
thank
you.
Yes,
sir
vitamin
c
and
vitamin
d
are
nutraceuticals
that
are
used
as
part
of
that
and
then
we
then
that's
over
the
counter
obtained
and
then
the
ivermectin.
We
would
not
go
beyond
that.
There
are
other
things
you
can
add
in
a
protocol,
but
that
would
be
under
an
individual
position.
I
My
question
was:
is
this
when
we,
supposing
we
were
to
pass
this
bill
and
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
it
is
allowed
that
there
is
a
standing
order
signed
by
one
physician
who
theoretically
will
be
giving
this
medication
just
without
seeing
them
to
thousands
of
people?
How
well,
maybe
kovid
will
die
away
and
we
wouldn't
need
it,
but
to
a
lot
of
people
when
people
pick
up
their
our
mech
team,
would
they
also
be
given
zinc
and
other
vitamins
that
you're
recommending
and
dr.
A
H
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
not
mentioned
in
the
amendment,
but
that
would
be
something
that
would
be.
There
would
be
instructions
on
how
to
use
the
medication
and
certainly
nutraceuticals
most
of
the
folks,
even
in
tennessee,
are
already
on
some
vitamin
d
and
c
because
they
know
that
works
and
zinc,
but
yeah
that
that
I
would
like
to
include
that
on
there.
So,
dr.
A
A
Mr
bajoy,
he
I
think
we
have
some
confusion
on
the
bill
or
representative
or
chairman
lady
lynn.
You
had
three
bills
on
here.
This
one
is
a
collaborative
pharmacy
agreement
and
I
think
you're
you're
confusing
it
with
a
standing
order
from
one
of
the
other
bills.
Yes,
mr
bajo
go
ahead.
J
Joel
bejoy
office
of
legal
services,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
house.
Bill
2746,
as
amended
by
14995,
permits
a
pharmacist
to
provide
ivermectin
to
a
patient
pursuant
to
a
valid
collaborative
pharmacy
practice
agreement,
which
is
an
agreement
between
individual
or
multiple
pharmacists
and
an
individual
licensed
physician
or
someone
else
with
prescribing
authority,
and
that
is
not
a
standing
order
which
is
done
by
the
chief
medical
officer
of
the
state
and
doesn't
require
an
agreement
between
pharmacists
and
another
physician.
H
I'm
looking
here
at
the
the
senate
bill
yeah
the
the
amendment,
so
it
does
say
valid,
collaborative
pharmacy
practice
agreement
which
a
non-patient
specific
prescriptive
order
and
standardized
procedure.
So
I
took
that
to
mean
standing
order.
I'm
sorry,
but
I
I
that
might
have
been
a
vocabulary
misuse
of
mine.
Sorry
about
that.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
the
doctor
testified,
ivormectin
is
safe.
It
has
been
proven
effective
in
many
tests
and,
if
you
think
about
how
most
people
or
many
people
get
diagnosed
with
covid
they're
feeling
ill,
they
may
be
run
over
to
the
pharmacy
grocery
store
and
they
buy
one
of
those
little
at-home
tests.
G
They
take
the
test
they're,
not
at
a
doctor,
they're
at
home
in
their
kitchen
and
they're
scared.
What
do
I
do,
and
maybe
they
talk
to
a
friend
and
they
say,
run
over
to
the
to
the
farm
store
and
get
some
ivermectin?
That's
just
not
a
good
idea,
and
we
don't
want
our
citizens
doing
that.
This
is
such
a
better
way
to
allow
our
citizens
to
get
this
very
safe
and
effective
drug,
and
you
know,
take
it
early
as
soon
as
they're
diagnosed.
G
Take
it
early
comes
a
little
blister
pack,
there's
only
a
few
pills
when
it's
gone,
it's
gone
and
hopefully
they
can
avoid
getting
extremely
ill
or
spreading
it
to
family
or
anybody
else
who
we
certainly
would
never
want
to
get
sick.
B
Recognized,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
because
I
thought
the
doctor
said
it
was
name
specific,
so
you're
saying
that
if
you
you
don't
have
to
have
a
prescription,
you
don't
even
have
to
have
a
doctor.
Put
your
name
on
a
list.
You
can
just
go
in
and
go
to
the
pharmacist
and
request
it,
and
what
does
the
pharmacist
have
to
check
to
give
it
to
you
chair,
lady
lynn,.
G
So
there,
the
bill:
has
the
board
of
pharmacy
adopt
rules
to
a
stat
to
establish
standard
procedures
for
the
provision
of
ivormectin,
but
to
give
you
an
idea,
they
might
ask
you
questions.
Do
you
have
covid?
No,
I
think
I
have
worms,
you
know
whatever,
but
do
you
have
coveted?
And
you
know
yes,
here's
my
stick.
I
I
have
covet.
How
much
do
you
weigh?
Are
you
on
there's
only
one
drug
that
I
know
of,
but
the
doctor
said:
there's
a
couple
of
drugs
that
have
interactions
and
one
is
clozapin.
G
It's
a
heart
medication.
So
are
you
on
this
heart
medication?
Also,
the
pharmacist
may
have
access
to
the
drugs
that
the
person
is
already
taking
in
their
computer
system.
The
pharmacist
would
be
able
to
check
that
as
well.
So
once
those
few
things
are
checked,
the
pharmacist
then
would
safely
be
able
to
determine
what
a
dose
would
be
and
dispense
that
to
the
individual
and
they
would
get
a
sheet
too
it's
right
in
the
bill
and,
of
course
they
would
be
cancelled
about
follow-up
care.
Go
to
your
doctor.
G
You
know
you're
sick,
go
to
your
doctor.
All
of
that,
but
it
certainly
seems
to
me
like
a
far
better
idea
than
what
has
been
happening,
that
we've
heard
about
and
spread
spread
on
social
media.
A
Speaker
marsh,
we
have
further
comments
or
questions.
Dr
kumar
you're
recognized.
G
Yes,
there's
a
few
bills
running
in
other
states.
New
hampshire
just
passed
a
bill.
Actually
their
bill
is
far
less
restrictive
than
ours.
Their
bill
puts
ivermectin
on
the
on
the
shelf
over
the
counter,
so
just
like
you'd
walk
up
and
maybe
you'd
buy
some
tylenol
or
vitamin
c
or
zinc.
That's
where
the
ivermectin
would
be
sitting,
because
it
does
have
a
couple
of
drug
interactions.
I
think
it's
a
better
and
it's
weight
specific.
It's
probably
a
better
idea
to
have
that
consultation
with
the
pharmacist
and
that's
what
this
bill
does.
G
I
think
we
could
feel
really
responsible
for
making
this
drug
the
safe
drug
widely
available,
but
also
having
the
consumer.
The
patient
talk
to
the
pharmacist
and
have
that
thorough
screening.
I
Thank
you
that
that's
helpful.
So
what
about
adding
zinc
and
white
ones
to
the
pack.
A
I
A
A
G
I
did,
I
think
this
bill
is
the.
This
is
the
bill
about
the
protocol
on
the
department
of
health
website.
You
know
the
department
of
health
has
a
lot
of
information
on
their
website.
If
you
are
someone
with
diabetes,
if
you
are
a
pregnant
woman,
maybe
at
risk
for
certain
things
there.
If
you
have,
you
know
smoking
if
you
smoke
and
and
other
issues,
there's
a
lot
of
information
on
our
department
of
health's
website
for
people
who
have
those
conditions
or
do
those
things
which
I
think
is
a
great
idea.
G
I
really
do
it's
just
practical,
it
is
tried
and
true-
and
it's
all
organized
so
someone
can
really
read
it
and
understand.
This
is
how
I
can
protect
myself
with
covid.
G
Nothing
went
on
our
department
of
health
website
for
at-home
care,
and
when
constituents
were
calling
me,
they
were
telling
me
that
their
physician
didn't
give
them
any
information
about
at-home
care,
not
not
every
physician,
but
a
lot
of
them
didn't
give
them
information
about
at-home
care.
They
basically
said
get
an
oxygen
meter.
If
your
oxygen
oxygen
goes
to
92
go
to
the
hospital.
G
The
department
of
health
did
not
like
that.
It
listed
a
particular
protocol,
so
I
do
not
want
to
run
the
bill,
but
I
hope
the
department
of
health
is
listening
and
hopefully
they
will
develop,
develop
a
protocol.
I
mean
we're
in
a
pandemic
if
there's
ever
a
time
when
it's
a
good
idea
for
the
department
of
health
to
put
a
protocol
on
there
to
how
to
take
care
of
yourself
when
you're
first
diagnosed
with
something
it's
now.
G
This
is
the
time
to
do
it,
and
so
I
wish
they
had
done
that
it
would
have
cut
down
a
lot
of
phone
calls
to
us.
I'm
not
a
doctor,
and
I
don't
play
one
on
tv,
but
I
did
try
to
you
know
just
direct.
My
constituents
to
doctors,
I
knew
in
our
community
who
were
giving
a
little
bit
more
attention,
or
you
know
articles
that
I
had
read
and
and
studies
I
had
read,
but
that's
really
not
the
way
to
do
it.
G
G
K
A
Okay,
2506.:
we
will
move
on
to
item
13
house
bill
2259
by
representative
harris.
He
wants
it
to
go
to
the
heel,
no
objections.
We
will
move
that
to
the
heel
item
14
house
bill
2599
by
representative
mckenzie,
you,
sir,
are
recognized.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
this
this
is
a
a
pretty
simple
bill,
but
I
I
I
feel
that
answers
a
difficult
question
and
that's
the
question
of
why
you
know
this
is
my
second
year
here
and
last
year
about
this
time,
my
alma
mater
school
in
knoxville
suffered
four
shootings.
K
Five
shootings
of
of
the
high
school
students
in
terms
of
the
state,
the
state
of
tennessee,
had
had
gun
deaths,
increased
28
percent
compared
to
70
17
nationally
in
terms
of
of
of
the
average
on
average
111
children
died
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
132
women
were
fatally
shot
by
an
intimate
partner
again.
The
question
is
why,
and
all
this
bill
does
is
ask
for
data.
It's
to
try
to
understand
how
gun
violence
is.
K
Is
is
a
health
disparity
within
our
state
so
that
that
is
the
a
simple
explanation
of
what
this
bill
does
and
that's
all
this
bill
does.
A
A
I
think
the
eyes
have
it.
I
I'll
call
that
as
any
objection,
if
none,
we
will
consider
that
passed
on
to
the
full
committee.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
committee.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
A
We're
up
on
item
15
house
bill,
2,
2,
2
0..
We
have
a
proper
motion
in
second
on
the
bill
from
our
illustrious
and
highly
energetic
seat
mate
on
the
floor
representative
hodges.
We
have
an
amendment
that
makes
the
bill.
Do
we
have
a
motion?
Second,
on
the
amendment
we
have
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
you
have
the
drafting
code,
sir.
A
I
get
a
confirmation
up
here
from
the
experts,
so
yeah
we
will
put.
Does
that
make
your
bill?
Sir?
Yes,
sir.
Okay,
we'll
put
that
amendment
on
the
bill.
We
have
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
of
amending
the
bill,
as
stated
and
say:
aye
any
opposition,
so
approver
back
on
the
bill
is
amended
and
you
are
recognized.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
what
this
bill
does
is
if
a
veteran's
family
member
presents
a
disability
determination,
a
person
signing
a
death
certificate
that
person
signing
the
death
certificate
will
have
to
take
it
into
consideration,
and
so
what
this
is
really
about
is
as
as
veterans
during
the
code
19
pandemic,
that
we've
been
dealing
with
as
veterans
pass
away
a
lot
of
times.
B
He
died
of
cove
at
19,
but
we
know
an
underlying
issue
was
that
copd
that
he
got
if
they
don't
write
that
down
that
veteran's
family
won't
won't
get
the
benefits
that
that
veteran's
entitled
to
so
this
would
just
make
sure
that
that
it
gives
that
person
sign
the
death
certificate,
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
the
medical
history
of
that
veteran.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
explanation.
Do
we
have
any
comments
or
questions
on
the
bill
and
I
unders?
I
understand
we
have
a
questions
been
called.
I
understand
that
you
are
a
veteran
and
we
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service.
So
no
objections
we'll
be
voting
to
send
this
to
full
committee.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Any
opposition
so
approved.
A
A
No
second,
I'm
sorry.
The
bill
fails
for
lack
of
a
second
thank
you.
We
will
move
on
to
item
18
house
bill
1747
by
representative
or
pardon
me,
chairman,
jernigan
you're
recognized,
sir.
A
We
have,
I
think,
yeah-
do
we
have
a
second
on
the
bill.
Have
a
second
on
the
bill
motion.
Second
you're
recognized
on
the
bill.
L
Thank
you
chairman.
I
appreciate
that
members
house
bill
1747
adds
quadriplegia
to
the
list
of
medical
conditions
that
are
listed
in
tca
3917
402,
in
which
a
diagnosed
person
is
authorized
to
lawfully
possess
cannabis.
Oil,
adding
quadriplegia
to
the
list
could
help
with
the
most
common
side
effects
of
living
with
quadriplegia,
which
are
spasms,
chronic
pain,
an
overactive,
bladder
and
insomnia.
L
So
I
live
with
this
quadriplegia
every
day
and
the
muscle
spasms
for
me,
especially
at
night,
can
become
unbearable
and
it
leads
to
insomnia
indeed
does,
and
I'm
asking
for
this
diagnosis
to
be
added
to
the
list.
So
the
commission
can
look
at
the
study
and
I'm
just
asking
for
this
committee
for
relief
for
tennesseans
or
living
with
quadriplegia,
and
that
for
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
chairman.
A
L
A
A
C
C
This
bill
there's
an
amendment
on
this
bill
that
I
would
need
to
get
on.
I
can
explain:
what's
in
there.
A
Okay:
let's
go
ahead
and
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
amending
the
bill,
as
stated
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposition,
we're
back
on
the
bill
as
amended.
You'll
recognize
dr
terry.
C
C
The
allowable
amount
that
is
from
here
is
roughly
equivalent
to
half
an
ounce
of
marijuana
which
carries
a
a
simple
possession
charge
so
we'll
be
decriminalizing
the
equivalent
to
half
a
essentially
a
half
an
ounce
of
marijuana
for
patients
that
meet
this,
but
this
bill
does
not
allow
for
any
flour.
Stocks.
Seeds
stems
roots
or
vaping
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions,
and
I
believe,
there's
some
people
here
that
are
wanting
to
testify.
A
A
If
not
we
have
jan
byer
has
requested
testimony
you're
come
forward.
If
you
would
miss
buyer,
there
are
no
objections,
we'll
go
out
of
session
and
recognize
ms
meyer
just
have
a
seat
and
turn
on
the
yes
push
the
little
button
there
to
turn
on
the
red
light
and
introduce
yourself.
You'll
have
three
minutes.
M
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
for
allowing
me
to
speak
on
behalf
of
marijuana.
My
name
is
jam.
Byer
I've
been
in
tennessee
for
three
years
since
2019
I
previously
lived
in
colorado
and
I
previously
worked
for
the
colorado
marijuana
enforcement
division.
As
an
investigator
I
handled
business
licenses,
I
handed
individual
licenses.
M
I
investigated
background
checks
intensive
background.
Excuse
me
background
checks
and
financial
backgrounds
in
order
to
either
accept
or
deny
the
individual
or
businesses
to
get
a
marijuana
license.
M
Marijuana
was
legalized
in
2013,
according
to
an
amendment
64
of
which
the
public
at
that
time
voted
51
percent
to
allow
it
in
2014
it
was
allowed
to
go
to
full
public
usage
the
first
year
that
marijuana
was
legal
for
prescription
only.
M
I
saw
I
worked
for
a
charter
school
along
with
my
husband,
and
we
saw
the
the
hazards
of
juvenile
juveniles
getting
access
to
it.
There
were
five
individual
girls,
young
girls
in
middle
school,
high
school,
that
one
of
the
girls
brought
in
brownies
from
their
parents
having
medical
prescription
within
half
an
hour
to
an
hour
of
ingesting
it.
M
M
Cannabis
they
call
it
the
bill,
is,
it
says
cannabis,
cannabis
is
the
family.
Marijuana
is
the
plant
in
the
plant.
There
are
over
450
compounds,
of
which
only
we
know
two
cbd
and
thc
cbd
is
the
medicinal
part
of
the
plant
that
handles
the
medicinal
and
thc
is
a
psychotic
which
can
cause
schizophrenia
and
it
can
increase
anxiety
disorders.
M
Ptsd
is
not
a
good
thing.
My
brother-in-law
had
ptsd.
He
did
marijuana
way
back
when
and
he
says
it
did
not
work,
it
increased
his
ptsd,
it's
it's
not
recommended.
There
is
no
research
that
recommends
for
epilepsy
or
seizures
or
pain,
or
anything
like
that.
This
is
according
to
the
american
medical
association
in
jama.
M
The
amount
of
thc
and
can
induce
psychosis
and
to
where
they
can
you
know
they
commit
suicide.
That
type
of
thing
well
committing.
I
Personal
experience
and
what
you're
saying
yes,
it
is
what
chairman
jonigan
brought
out.
It's
a
often
touted
belief
that
you
don't
overdose
on
marijuana,
which
basically
means
if
you're
smoking
it
you
get
to
be
drowsy
enough
to
that.
You
can't
smoke,
but
edibles
are
the
problem
on
edibles.
You
can
take
more
before
it
hits
you
half
hour.
One
hour
later
so
on
edibles,
yes,
overdosing
is,
is
very
well
known.
A
M
Yes,
you're
absolutely
right,
which
is
what
the
brownies
were,
was
basically
and
as
well
as
colorado
did
ban
gummies,
because
that
was
geared
towards
the
the
kid
market
and
kids
were
overdosing
and
stuff
and
as
as
well
as
others,
because
you
know
not
like
lay's
potato
chips.
You
just
can't
have
one
and
as
as
a
matter
of
fact,
in
denver
the
first
year,
a
gentleman
took
a
marijuana
lozenge
and
he
ended
up
killing
his
wife
because
he
did
not
realize
what
he
was
doing.
He
was
arrested
and
he's
currently
serving
a
prison
term.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
ms
bauer,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
and
in
your
your
own
words.
What
would
you
say
that
this
has
done
for
the
state
of
colorado?
I
know
it's
probably
brought
in
a
lot
of
revenue
and
it's
probably
caused
a
lot
of
problems.
What
is
the
general
consensus
in
the
state
of
colorado.
M
Actually,
in
regards
to
revenue
for
every
dollar
of
sales
tax
that
has
been
received
by
the
state
of
colorado,
it's
documented
that
it
costs
4.50
for
the
state
of
colorado
to
enforce
it.
You
know
for
education
and
handling,
duis
and
and
suicides
emergency
room
visits
that
type
of
stuff,
so
it
costs
four
dollars
and
fifty
cents
for
every
dollar
of
sales
tax.
M
Right
now
I
used
to
get
phone
calls
from
citizens
saying
I
voted
for
amendment
64
which
legalized
for
medical,
and
they
said
you
know,
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
a
good
thing,
but
it's
not
it's
causing
issues
in
my
neighborhood,
my
my
city,
it's
not
the
same
and
they
said
what
can
we
do
to
change
that
and
I
go
well,
I'm
sorry.
You
can't
put
that
genie
back
in
the
bottle.
We
should
have
never
done
it.
M
Even
the
the
gentleman
that
created
amendment
64
has
come
out
publicly
and
stated
that
he
wished
he
would
not
have
done
it
and
it's
just.
It
has
not
been
a
good
thing
for
colorado
and
they're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
backtrack
a
lot
of
the
stuff.
A
lot
of
the
regulations
and
actually
75
percent
of
the
counties
in
colorado
have
refused
to
allow
it
in
their
county.
A
L
Chairman
journalist,
thank
you
chairman.
Are
we
talking
about
recreational
or
medical,
because
I'm.
M
What
did
what
64
did
was
the
first
year?
It
would
all
it
would
create
a
medical
and
would
automatically
create
the
recreational
the
year
after
so
in
2013
medical
was
was
legalized
and
it
was
recreational
was
legalized
in
2014.,
okay,
so.
M
No,
I
understand
that,
but
we
saw
as
in
2014
in
the
marijuana
enforcement
division.
It
was
still
an
issue
with
having
to
handle
the
dispensaries
and
stuff
like
that.
With
with
the
criminal
activity,
I
mean
we,
we
were
very
strict,
requiring
cameras
everywhere.
M
L
A
L
M
L
M
My
investigations
with
investigating
business
owners
and
stuff
like
that
for
medical
for
medical
or
whatever
licenses
I
we
allowed
outside
investment.
Originally
it
was
within
the
state
only
and
it
got
to
where
they
were
wanting
more
investment
outside
the
state
of
colorado,
so
legislator
approved
outside
outside
investors,
and
so
it
was
my
responsibility
to
to
vet
those
people,
and
I
had
I
coordinated
with
others
like
new
jersey,
california,
oregon
washington.
C
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
think
oftentimes
there's
a
lot
of
conflation
between
recreational
or
even
what
I
would
call
pseudo-medical
type
of
programs.
To
my
knowledge
you
mentioned
prescription
and
I
don't
think
that
colorado
had
prescriptions.
I
don't
know
of
any
state
that
has
a
prescription,
they
do
have
processes
by
which
they
can
get
it,
and
you
mentioned
you're
from
colorado.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay
and
you
spoke
explicitly
about
children.
C
Chairman
all
right,
thank
you,
and
this
is
and
again
this
bill
doesn't
allow
us
to
grow,
doesn't
allow
us
to
dispense
it
decriminalizes
patients
that
could
go
to
a
different
state
and
come
back
with
acceptable
forms.
So
it's
not
flower,
not
vaping.
Anything
like
that
alexis.
To
give
you
a
little
information
about
her.
She
was
from
texas
and
at
age
seven.
I
believe
she
began
having
intractable
seizures
by
age.
Nine.
She
tried
30
different
fda
approved
medications,
none
of
which
were
working.
Some
may
have
made
her
worse.
She
was
given
essentially
three
options.
C
Her
parents
were
given
three
options.
They
could
try
an
experimental
brain
surgery.
They
could
put
her
on.
I
think
it's
feldman-made,
I
can't
know
exactly
the
name
of
that
drug,
but
it
called
can
potentially
cause
liver
failure
or
bone
marrow
could
kill
your
bone
marrow.
So
those
are
two
options
she
had
or
she
could
have
her.
Parents
could
take
her
to
colorado
and
try
a
cannabis-based
product
and
she
did
that.
Her
parents
took
her
enrolled
her
in
aurora
children's
hospital
got
into
a
research
program
which
this
allows
for
someone.
C
M
Well,
sarah,
what
I
would
do
is
I
would
make
sure
that
I
did
all
of
the
prescriptions
that
were
available
through
the
fda,
considering
nabalone
and
drabin,
and
all
which
is
pure
thc.
Now
thc
is
the
one
that
would
be
helping
the
along
with
cbd
the
epileptic
kind
of
seizures,
and
it
says,
there's
no
evidence.
It
is
better
or
safer
than
currently
available.
Anti-Medics-
and
this
is
by
the
american
college
of
obstetrics
and
gynecology,
and
the
ama
or
jama.
C
Doctor
now
so
she
tried
the
marinol
and
and
stuff
like
that,
and
so,
if
you
have
an
aura
and
you
take
a
an
oral
pill
like
that,
it
doesn't
really
impact
your
system
and
stop
that
seizure
in
time.
So
you
end
up
having
the
seizure
and
then
you
have
the
effect
afterwards,
and
so
that's
why
she's
gone
and
she
has
that
spray
for
rescue
and
she
has
the
oil
that
she
takes
for
maintenance
as
well.
So
she
exhausted
that.
So
again,
I
ask
you
exhausting
all
those
options.
M
I
would
not
choose
marijuana
for
for
dealing
with
this,
because
I
have
seen
what
it's
done.
I
am
not
a
fan
of
it,
I
never
will
be.
There
are
other
options
and
that's
what
I
would
do.
A
K
We
believe
that
if
it
is
to
be
treated
like
medicine,
that
it
needs
to
go
through
the
same
processes
that
every
other
medicine
does
there
are
safety
and
efficacy
processes
through
the
fda
for
pretty
much
every
drug
out
there.
This
has
not
gone
through
those
processes.
We
don't
have.
You
know
a
fentanyl
commission,
we
don't
have
a
xanax
commission.
N
N
You
open
up
the
opportunity
and
the
potential
for
using
this
process
to
approve
other
types
of
medication
which
is
currently
trying
to
be
approved
now
in
colorado,
for
example,
with
lsd
for
the
treatment
of
ptsd
or
psilocybin
schedule,
1
psilocybin,
mushrooms
in
oregon
for
the
treatment
of
ptsd
as
well
as
other
symptoms.
He
mentioned
the
black
market
marijuana
groups
across
the
country
in
these
legalized
states,
which
I
can
tell
you
from
an
enforcement
standpoint.
I've
been
in
enforcement
for
33
years.
N
The
majority
of
the
marijuana
that
we
are
seeing
coming
into
this
state
are
coming
from
recreational
states
or
they're.
Coming
from
medical
states,
we
intercepted
a
hundred
pounds
of
medical
marijuana
coming
out
of
oklahoma
last
week.
This
minute
are
last
year.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
in
a
in
a
period
of
two
and
a
half
weeks,
we
seized
more
than
four
thousand
pounds
of
marijuana
coming
from
recreational
states
or
coming
from
medical
states
coming
into
the
state
of
tennessee.
N
In
addition,
talking
to
our
counterparts
in
colorado
and
california
and
other
states
what
they're
doing
now
we're
tasked
with
which
is
very
challenging
trying
to
determine
the
the
legality
or
the
difference
between
a
thc
or
based
upon
a
quantitation
level,
a
thc
of
0.3
percent
or
greater
or
less
those
states
are
now
setting
up
medical
black
market
marijuana
enforcement
groups,
colorado
being
the
last
of
it.
They
reappropriated
27
drug
agents
to
do
nothing
but
try
to
address
the
black
market.
N
Marijuana
group,
which
we
work
with
them
on
a
daily
basis,
we're
just
receiving
we're
overwhelmed
and
and
other
states
as
well,
seeing
so
much
marijuana
originating
and
coming
and
shifting
being
shipped
in
the
latest.
The
latest
of
that,
when
you
take
it
into
an
oil
setting,
the
oil
setting
has
taken
this
to
a
whole.
Another
level
when
we're
trying
to
they're
reapplying
and
we've
got
a
couple
of
cases.
N
One
of
the
examples
we
had:
seventy
seven
hundred
milliliters,
seventy
seven
hundred
milliliters
of
a
high,
a
high
dose,
thc
or
high
quantitative
level
of
thc,
and
that
in
dosage
units
equates
to
about
1.165
million
dosage
units
and
that
when
you're
talking
about
those
levels,
the
way
they
were
reapplying
it
is,
they
were
reapplying
it
diluting
it
to
whatever
that
person
or
that
group
wanted.
You
wanted
five
percent
ten
percent
twenty
percent,
thirty
percent
thc.
N
N
Looking
at
an
industry
trying
to
track
and
and
regulate
the
dispensing
of
drugs,
and
when
we
go
outside
of
this
closed
network,
this
we
are
in
an
absolutely
unregulated.
The
states
lack
the
fundamental
infrastructure
to
regulate
and
then
we're
we're
we're
trying
to
deal,
and
it
creates
a
tremendous
amount
of
confusion.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
sir.
L
A
K
And
I
apologize
apologize
chairman,
I
think-
and
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
speak
for
director
farmer,
but
even
with
the
protocols
and
safety
and
efficacy
process
of
the
fda
and
everything
else,
we've
seen
the
damages
that
opioids
have
caused.
This
doesn't
have
any
of
those
additional
oversights,
so
we're
just
welcoming
a
worse
scenario,
so
I
mean
we.
We
would
like
to
see
that
minimum
level
of
of
safety
and
efsky
efficacy
review
by
the
fda
before
approving
this
as
any
kind
of
medicine.
Certain
medicines
have
gone
through
that
process.
K
We
have
the
epidiolex,
we
have
marinol.
We
have
certain
medicines
that
are
out
there
that
have
gone
through
this.
This
is
leaving
medicine
up
to.
However,
you
feel
there's
no
set
dosing.
There's
I
mean
you
can
imagine
how
bad
opioids
would
be
if
we
allowed
you
just
to
say,
hey
take,
however
many
you
feel
like,
but
that's
largely
what
we're
doing
with
the
cannabis
bill
as
it
stands
here.
K
That
has
not
come
to
pass,
but
here
we
are
again
still
attempting
to
go
forward
with
something
that
has
not
been
approved
for
safety
and
efficiency
by
the
feds
chairman.
L
I
feel
at
the
end
of
the
night:
it's
not
pleasant
and
you
wouldn't
want
to
be
in
my
shoes
to
arbitrarily
just
say
it
would
depend
on
how
you
feel
so.
You
just
take
the
drug
that
that's
offensive
to
me.
Anyway.
You
need
to
walk
them
on
somebody
else's
shoes
that
this
drug
could
do
something
well
for
somebody.
L
L
L
For
this
is
for
medical
purposes,
for
people
that
are
suffering
that
frankly,
opioids
does
not
cause
they're
they're
the
problem.
I
wish
you
all
would
focus
more
on
that
than
coming
in
here.
Talking
about
you
know,
marijuana
and
no
one
has
ever
overdosed
on
it.
Overdose
means
that
it
kills
you.
The
intent,
means
that
you're
gonna
die
all
right.
That's
what
that
means.
That's
the
I'm
stunned.
The
tbi
comes
in
here
and
they're,
so
worried
about
marijuana
when
I've
got
this
epidemic
out
there
and
we're
trying
to
put
restrictions
on
it.
L
L
K
Chairman
johnny,
I
apologize,
I
don't
mean
you
for
for
it
to
be
taken
that
way.
We
are
concerned
about
the
lack
of
steady
dosing
and
appropriate
and
treating
of
it
as
medication
without
kind
of
proper
controls.
We
are
worried
about
safety,
safety
and
efficacy.
Again,
we
agree
with
you.
On
the
opioid
front,
we
are
battling
opioid
drugs
across
the
state.
Every
day
we
are
battling
fentanyl
we're
bad
handling
at
all,
but
our
battling
of
opioids
does
not
mean
we
don't
battle
this
as
well.
N
I
would
agree
wholeheartedly.
I
mean
there
are
many
things,
unfortunately,
that
we
can't
cure.
We
have
no
cures
for
cold,
we
have
no
cures
for
cancer
and
we
totally
agree
with
you
100
the
others.
We
also
see
the
other
harms
and
the
harms
the
unintended
harms
that
it
can
cause
by
distracting
and
taking
away
from
our
efforts
to
combat
those
and
putting
something
else
out
there
that
we're
seeing
tremendous
diversion
off
of
and
the
other
states
are
seeing.
Tremendous
diversion
from
that
is
the
fear.
L
A
K
C
Thank
you
and
the
question
that
was
asked
was,
if
you
had
a
child
or
grandchild
that
had
gone
through,
all
the
fda
approved
drugs
and
they
had
failed,
even
the
ones
that
are
thc
based
and
had
failed,
and
you
had
the
options
of
enrolling
your
child
or
grandchild
in
a
research
program
for
cannabis,
based
medicines
or
have
an
experimental
brain
surgery
that
may
change
your
child's
life
forever
or
take
another
fda
approved
drug.
That
carries
the
risk
of
aplastic,
anemia
or
liver
failure,
which
would
you
do.
K
I
mean
I
personally
would
want
to
do
whatever
was
legal
and
whatever
the
doctor
recommended.
I
mean
if
my
doctor
was
recommending
surgery.
I
thought
that
was
the
best
course
of
action.
Then
I'm
going
to
trust
my
physician.
I
personally
would
want
a
legal
recourse.
I
understand
that's
what
y'all
are
trying
to
do.
We
simply
see.
Obviously
the
feds
have
considered
this
schedule
one
and
continue
considering
illegal.
We
would
like
it
to
continue
to
go
through
that
fda
approved
process.
N
I
would,
I
would
say
you
know
the
the
feelings
and
emotions
of
those
family
members
any
mother,
any
grandparent
any
any
parents
gonna
do
whatever
they
could
to
help
them,
but
on
the
same
token,
I
wouldn't
want
to
give
that
mother
or
that
grandparent
false
hope
or
a
false
sense
of
security,
we're
going
to
cure
something
when
something
is
not
there
and
the
science
is
simply
not
behind
it.
That's
been
shown,
that's
that's
our
fear
and
we're
looking
for
public
safety
and
public
health
and
the
greater
good
doctor
theory.
C
Thank
you.
Neither
one
of
y'all
answered
that
question,
but
that
being
said,
I
you
know
when
I
first
got
up
here,
I'm
just
going
off
a
little
bit
here.
I
was
a
no
on
this
issue,
but
I've
got
a
daughter
and
I
got.
I
got
to
talk
to
alexis
and
her
family
and
I
know
what
I
would
do
we
would
be
in
colorado
or
somewhere.
My
wife
would
be
there.
A
O
In
my
background
of
being
in
law
enforcement
for
about
ten
and
a
half
years,
you
know
hearing
from
representative
terry
and
representing
jernigan
here
making
comments.
You
know
hear
what
they
say,
but
I
hear
that
this
is
not
fda
approved.
Is
that
my
understanding-
and
I
think
about
I've-
heard
a
doctor
say
that
you
know
if
a
person
comes
into
their
office?
If
it's
worse,
to
get
approved,
I
heard
a
doctor
say
well
if
they
come
in
and
want
this,
how
much
do
I
give
that
person?
O
The
doctor
says
I
don't
know
I've
heard
some
people
that
has
been
given
some
of
this
stuff
and
it
has
caused
some
problems
in
their
body
of
what
I've
heard.
I
don't
know
a
lot
about
it,
but
my
fear
is-
and
I
think
about
I
have
a
son-
that's
17
years
old
and
I
think
about
the
other
children
that's
around
about.
O
I
have
a
very
much
fear
that
we
are
maybe
letting
the
foot
get
in
the
door
of
a
problem
that
we
do
not
need
in
our
society.
Marijuana.
O
If
you
want
to
say
marijuana,
you
want
to
say
cannabis
or
whatever
you
want
to
say
about
it
and
and
seeing
what
I
hear
about
it
and
seeing
it
grown,
and
you
got
to
be
very
careful
about
growing
this
if
it
gets
too
hot.
Of
course
it's
supposed
to
be
destroyed,
but
it
don't
get
destroyed.
My
understanding
it
goes
out
into
the
market
somewhere
gets.
Somebody
gets
that
so
there's
just
so
much.
O
J
J
The
reason
that
this
hasn't
passed
is
because
of
law
enforcement,
not
because
of
the
medical
profession,
and
you
have
doctors,
telling
people
and
and
testifying
that
this
is
something
that
could
help
their
patients.
Sir.
Nobody
said
it
was
going
to
cure
anything.
Opioids
don't
cure
anything.
J
This
is
giving
people
some
sense
of
of
of
pain
relief
and
if,
if
you
think
that
it's
going
to
increase
people
are
using
today,
or
else
you
wouldn't
be
arresting
them
for
and
the
reason
that
you
are
spending
time
on,
it
is
because
you
have
deemed
it
a
priority
that
this
is
not
not
you
deemed
inappropriate,
but
but
because
it's
a
it's
a
priority
of
law
enforcement.
J
You
know
several
of
the
people
on
this
committee
know,
but
the
reason
that
I
was
late
today
is
because
my
wife
had
surgery
yesterday
for
breast
cancer,
okay
and
you're,
telling
me
that,
when
her
pain
gets
so
bad
that
that
I
can't
do
something
that
I
know
is
going
to
treat
her
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
go
out
of
state,
because
I
will
go
out
of
state
to
treat
it
because
you
have
decided
that
you're
going
to
put
your
foot
down
and
fight
this.
K
Freeman
sorry
to
hear
that
about
your
wife
and
I
I
respectfully
disagree
on
our
perspective.
We
are
wanting
this
to.
If
it's
going
to
be
treated
like
medicine,
we
want
to
be
treated
like
medicine.
We
want
to
go
through
the
same
process
that
other
medicines
do
and
it
hasn't
we
want.
If
it's
going
to
be
used
as
medicine,
we
want
to
be
safe
and
effective.
I
For
one
thing,
marijuana
has
medical
or
recreational
has
no
role
in
acute
pain
relief
period.
There
is
no
evidence,
there
is
no
doctor
that
would
recommend
using
marijuana
after
surgery
for
pain
relief.
No,
that
is
not
there.
Opioids
are
there,
they
are
a
proven
medicine.
They
have
been
for
a
long
time.
Yes,
they
have
been
misused,
but
there
is
no
substitute
for
them
and
there
is
no.
I
There's
no
substitute
for
them
and
they
are
lifesavers.
You
know,
I
guess
we
are
talking
personal
things.
My
wife
had
back
surgery
about
two
months
ago.
Yes,
opioids
were
a
lifesaver.
Is
she
hooked?
No
she's,
not
she's
back
to
tylenol
and
things
are
getting
better,
but
in
acute
pain
of
surgery.
There
is
no
substitute
for
opioids
and
they
have
been
misused
and
I
think
partly
they
have
been
misused
in
certain
ways.
I
It
is
frequently
claimed
that
in
states
that
have
done
medical
marijuana,
opioid
use
has
gone
down.
Yes,
it
has
because
the
cartels
saw
that
and
they
lowered
because
they
were
losing
people
at
their
customers.
So
they
went
ahead
and
lowered
the
price
of
heroin.
If
you
plot
a
graph
in
oregon
or
washington
state
during
the
time
that
medical
marijuana
was
introduced,
opioid
use
went
down,
heroin
use
went
up,
it's
not
that
those
people
who
were
opioids
basically
went
ahead
and
started
using
marijuana
and
they
were
just
happy
and
living.
Fine.
I
No
heroin
use
consistently
went
up
because
the
cartels
lowered
the
price.
So
these
are
conflicting
factors
we
need
to
realize.
I
don't
really
know
what
role
the
opioid
debate
has
in
the
effects
of
marijuana
marijuana
on
people
on
society
and
on
young
people,
especially,
it
is
well
known
and
well
proven
that
use
of
marijuana
lowers
the
iq
of
adolescents
and
teenagers
by
at
least
10
to
15
points.
That's
a
classical
study.
Everybody
knows
that
and
yet
to
turn
around
and
recommend
for
some
reason
that
we
would
give
a
thc
based
therapy
to
to
a
child.
I
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
these
things.
Use
of
marijuana
in
childhood
is
harmful
to
the
development
of
the
young
brain,
and
we
know
that
comparison
to
opioids
is
unnecessary.
Marijuana
is
not
a
substitute
for
opioids,
and
marijuana
is
not
for
acute
pain
relief
at
all.
I
don't
think
any
doctor
would
recommend
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Okay
for
the
further
comments
or
questions,
if
not,
if
there
are
no
objections,
we'll
go
back
into
session.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
I
seem
to
to
answer
some
questions
we're
back
in
session.
Yes,
sir.
A
If
none
will
be
voting
to
send
this
to
full
committee,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposition,
no,
the
eyes
have
it
we'll
send
it
on
the
full
committee
and
we're
just
about
out
of
time.
We
got
like
two
minutes
left.
I'm
sorry,
cheerleading
moody
came
back
in,
but
will
you
come
back
at
four?
We
we
have
an
extension
today
at
four
o'clock,
we're
going
to
meet
in
house
hearing
room
three
and
take
care
of
the
the
ramsey
calendar
here.
A
And
and
whatever
else
is
on
the
heel
of
the
calendar,
so
we
will
meet,
we
will
recess
until
four
o'clock.
Thank
you
very
much.