►
From YouTube: House Health Committee- April 7, 2021
Description
House Health Committee- April 7, 2021
B
B
C
B
B
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
710
seeks
to
make
reopening
our
closed
rural
hospitals
a
little
simpler
for
communities
when
they
have
the
opportunity
when
they
have
an
interested
party
coming
in
and
trying
to
reopen.
So
present
law
generally
requires
that
a
person
obtain
a
certificate
of
need
before
establishing
a
health
care
institution.
D
Changing
the
bed
complement
or
instituting
certain
health
care
services.
This
bill
creates
an
exception
to
present
law,
whereby
a
certificate
of
need
will
not
be
required
for
a
licensed
hospital
if
the
hospital
was
previously
licensed
or
another
hospital
is
previously
licensed
at
the
proposed
location.
D
The
hospital
is
located
in
a
county
that
has
been
designated
by
the
department
of
economic
and
community
development
as
a
tier
2,
tier
3
or
tier
4
enhancement
county,
or
that
has
a
population
less
than
forty
nine
thousand
three.
The
last
date
of
operation
at
the
hospital
site
service
area
or
proposed
hospital
site
service
area
was
no
more
than
fifteen
years
prior
to
the
date
on
which
the
party
seeking
to
establish
the
hospital
submits
information
to
the
department
of
health.
D
Pursuant
to
this
bill
and
number
four,
the
party
seeking
to
establish
the
hospital
applies
for
certificate
of
need
from
the
health
services
and
development
agency
within
12
months
of
the
date
on
which
the
party
submits
information
to
the
department.
Pursuant
to
this
bill
and
with
that
I'll,
take
any
questions.
B
D
B
B
Okay,
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
on
this,
I
guess
I've.
My
question
to
you
is
I'd
like
to
ask
your
intent.
I
mean
obviously
it's
in
in
the
big
bill.
Would
it
be
your
intent
if
we
pass
this
out
today,
just
to
hold
it
and
see,
I
mean
you've
obviously
made
the
the
comprehensive
one
your
your
ideas
made
that
and
you've
helped
craft.
That
is
that
your
intent.
D
C
You
could
park
that
thing
in
calendar
and
rules.
There
are
a
few
other
bills
that
we've
seen
out
there.
That
would
be
addressed
in
that
comprehensive
c-o-n
bill
and
their
intent
is
to
park
him
encountering
rules
and
make
sure
that
this
one
gets
passed
and
if
it
doesn't
then
move
forward
with
the
one
that
addresses
their
specific
issues.
That's
what
I'd
recommend.
E
C
D
From
the
way
I
understand
they,
they
wouldn't
make
that
commitment
or
that
investment
until
the
certificate
of
need,
the
intent
would
be
there
and
then
they
would
possibly
be
moving
forward,
but
they
from
the
way
I
understand
it.
They
would
not
open
fully
until
they
received
the
certificate
of
need.
Yeah.
B
B
B
F
And
bill
does:
is
the
legislation
is
traveling
with
the
bill
and
subcommittee
makes
the
bill
for
reference
5537?
What
it
does
is.
This
is
a
result
of
working
with
the
hospitals
and
health
department,
the
amendment
it
removes
hospitals
from
the
bill,
since
they
already
have
policies
in
place
that
reflect
this
legislation.
F
The
bill
also
states
that,
if
these
policies
do
not
reflect
the
legislation,
they
would
be
included
in
the
bill,
they
would
not
be
excluded.
This
also
puts
rules
for
the
health
department
to
go
by
guidelines.
We've
worked
with
with
the
hospitals
on
the
health
to
formulate
this.
This
legislation
strives
to
extend
the
the
same
rights
and
dignity
to
a
deceased,
surgically
aborted,
unborn
child,
the
same
respect
and
dignity
granted
to
any
other
human
being.
F
It
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
parent
or
the
facility
to
select
either
cremation
or
burial
of
the
fetal
remains.
It
would
also
be
the
responsibility
to
cover
their
costs.
The
estimated
cost
to
bury
an
aborted
fetus
would
be
approximately
350
150
for
cremation
150,
for
an
open,
grave
and
most
crematoriums
do
not
charge
for
cremation
of
aborted
fetuses.
F
The
legislation
is
based
on
the
indiana
assembler
law
that
has
survived
a
court
challenge.
Currently,
there
are
11
states
with
similar
legislation
in
place.
Tennessee
code
requires
pets
and
animals
to
be
disposed
of
or
berry
or
cremation,
but
there
is
no
such
law
enacted
in
tennessee
for
aborted
fetal
remains.
F
I
think
it's
a
time
that
tennessee
step
up
and
give
the
same
level
of
dignity
to
a
dead
pet
as
they
do
a
human
being,
and
with
that,
that's
what
this
bill
accomplishes
and
what
it
aims
to
do.
It
does
not
in
any
way
restrict
an
abortion
or
access
to
an
abortion
facility.
It
only
deals
with
the
aborted
surgical
remains
of
a
child.
B
G
F
F
This
is
fetuses
that
are
aborted,
while
patients
are
in
the
hospital
either
due
to
surgery
the
life
of
the
mother,
they
do
not
do
elective
abortions
and
if
the
the
what
happens
in
the
hospital,
when
there
is
a
baby
aborted
or
a
baby
that
dies,
they
send
it
either
one
of
two
things:
they
either
hand
it
to
the
parent
for
for
their
funeral
home,
or
it
goes
to
the
morgue,
and
if
it
goes
to
the
morgue
and
it's
unclaimed,
then
the
morgue
cremates.
It.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
is
about
the
burial.
You
know
we
talked
about
it
last
week
in
the
subcommittee.
If
the
mother
wants
to
take
the
aborted
fetus
with
them,
can
they
bury
it
in
like
the
family
plot
or
in
their
in
their
home
or
in
their
yard?
Is
that
prohibited,
or
is
that?
Okay,
chairman.
F
Today,
it's
my
understanding
under
current
code,
since
that's
not
encode
for
an
aborted
fetus,
they
can
request
it
as
like.
You
would
take
a
gallstone
or
a
organ.
That's
been
taken
out
and
put
it
in
a
jar
and
leave
with
it.
This
is
actually
putting
in
code
to
give
that
baby
some
rights
and
some
dignity,
so
they
just
treat
it
like
any
other
human
being.
H
F
Currently,
it
is
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
currently
is
the
practice
of
nationwide,
which
is
why
we
have
testimony
from
people
around
the
country
here
today
to
to
explain
what
happens
not
just
here
but
everywhere.
It's
my
board,
that's
been.
My
expert
witnesses
have
told
me
that
worked
in
the
abortion
industry
and
worked
in
these
clinics
is
that
babies
are
disposed
of
by
probably
three
mains
one.
F
They
are
ground
up
and
flush
down
the
toilet
or
the
drain,
if
they're
small
enough
and
like
a
garbage
disposal
other
they
are
put
in
a
surgical
bag
and
disposed
of
with
the
rest
of
the
surgical
trash
or
in
some
cases,
they're
simply
put
in
a
trash,
can
and
put
out
to
the
curb,
there's
also
a
force.
Sometimes
the
babies
are
frozen
to
be
disposed
of
by
other
means.
F
H
F
Well,
there
are
three
abortion
clinics
that
I'm
aware
of
in
tennessee,
one
operates
part-time,
the
other
two
either
operate,
full-time
or
part-time
eyewitnesses
can
address
that
they're
experts
on
that.
As
far
as
I
know,
the
abortion
clinics,
the
elected
surgically
aborted
children
here-
are
treated
the
same
as
they're
treated
everywhere
and
one
of
the
procedures
the
witnesses
will
will
testify
to
is
once
a
baby
is
aborted
to
make
sure
the
mother
does
not
get
infected.
H
F
F
H
And
so
I
I
saw
in
the
bill
where
it
would
be
in
some
instances
the
woman's
responsibility
to
pay
for
this
cremation
or
burial,
and
so
in.
In
doing
this,
not
only
does
the
tennessee
law
encode
have
extreme
limitations
on
the
ability
of
a
woman
to
make
the
decision
with
no
excuse
for
rape
or
incest
currently
under
the
law.
There
is
a
situation
where
you
could
have
a
young
woman
who
was
raped
by
her
father,
choose
to
get
an
abortion
and
then
have
to
pay
to
bury
the
remains.
F
First
of
all,
early,
regardless
of
how
someone
wants
to
change
the
argument
on
this
bill,
this
bill
does
not
address
abortion.
It
does
not
limit
abortion
or
access
to
an
abortion.
It
is
not
fined
for
abortion
or
in
any
way
discuss
the
actual
abortion
process.
We
only
cover
how
the
human
being
that's
been,
aborted
is
treated
and
someone
has
to
take
responsibility.
H
H
And
I
would
just
simply
ask
the
rest
of
my
committee
members,
consider
this
these
situations
and
these
unintended
consequences
or
intentional
consequences
of
this
legislation,
and
what
we
seek
to
do
here
to
women
going
through
a
very
difficult
time.
We've
established
in
this
short
question
and
answer
period
that
women
are
not
prevented
from
having
the
remains
buried
or
cremated
upon
their
request.
H
B
B
A
Matt
king
from
legal
services
again,
the
subsection,
I
believe
in
question
chairman
is
subsection
h,
which
deals
with
the
payment
for
the
cremation
or
internment
of
the
fetal
remains.
Subsection.
H
has
two
subdivisions
h1
and
h2,
and
they
read
as
follows:
subdivision
h1
states,
except
as
provided
in
subdivision
h2
an
abortion
facility,
shall
pay
for
and
provide
for
the
cremation
or
interment
of
the
fetal
remains
from
a
surgical
abortion
performed
at
that
facility.
B
B
I
I
That
law
was
taken
to
the
u.s
supreme
court
and
it
was
upheld
in
a
seven
to
two
decision,
and
that
was
before
justice.
Barrett
was
on
the
court,
so
that
meant
that
justices
kagan
and
breyer,
who
typically
do
not
side
with
these
types
of
bills
in
their
reputation,
upheld
this
law
by
indiana
and
my
organization.
I
I
myself,
in
in
consultation
with
other
attorneys
from
across
the
country,
have
vetted
the
language
of
this
bill.
It
mirrors
indiana's
law
as
closely
as
it
can
to
still
be
applied
to
tennessee.
There
is
nothing
in
the
language
of
this
bill
that
requires
a
woman
to
pay
for
the
disposition
of
the
remains.
It
is
her
choice,
firstly
to
if
she
wants
to
to
personally
dispose
of
the
remains
she
has
the
ability
to
do
so,
but
if
she
declines
to
do
that,
there
is
no
further
questioning
or
responsibility.
I
She
is
free
to
leave
the
clinic,
and
at
that
point
it
becomes
the
abortion
facility's
responsibility
both
logistically
and
financially,
to
dispose
of
those
remains.
So
in
no
way
does
this
bill
produce
a
burden
on
the
patient
unless
that
patient
voluntarily
assumes
that
burden
herself,
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
H
I
G
So
so
you're
you're
saying
that
today
or
the
the
sponsor
earlier
said
that
today,
hospitals
are
already
following
this,
this
two-step
process
or
the
the
two
option
process
and-
and
I
would
assume
they're
charging
when
they
when
they
do
that,
I
would
assume
they're
charging
their
patient,
and
so
would
this
create
a
situation
where
someone
in
a
hospital
setting
could
just
say:
I'm
not
I'm
not
paying
you
for
it.
It's
your
responsibility
to
pay
for
this.
That.
B
K
J
Thank
you
for
hearing
my
testimony
today.
I
have
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
some
of
you
already,
but
most
of
you
I
have
not.
My
name
again
is
annette
lancaster.
I
hold
a
masters
in
healthcare
administration
with
20
plus
years
of
experience
and
I'm
a
doctoral
candidate
for
organizational
development
and
leadership.
J
No
part
of
that
testimony
or
my
experience
was
easy,
but,
as
the
bible
says,
in
isaiah
6
13,
the
lord
creates
beauty
from
ashes
as
real
as
products
of
conception
rooms
are.
It
is
always
disheartening
to
hear
that
some
people
would
question
the
authenticity
of
my
testimony
hearing
about
how
I
pieced
back
together,
tiny
baby
parts
to
ensure
that
everything
was
removed
from
the
mother's
womb
is
not
easy,
and
it
was
not
easy
for
me
to
perform
those
tasks,
but
it
was
part
of
my
job,
but
I
cannot
change
my
truth.
J
Regardless
of
whether
an
abortion
happens
at
5
weeks
or
24
weeks,
there
will
be
fetal
remains
that
must
be
disposed
after
I'd
identified
the
body
parts
I
would
then
take
the
fetal
remains
out
of
a
pyrex
dish
and
throw
them
all
together
in
a
trash
can
that
was
lined
with
a
red
biohazard
bag.
These
red
bags
were
then
kept
in
a
freezer
that
we
sarcastically
called
the
nursery
until
they
were
picked
up
by
a
biohazard
waste
company,
which
was
every
two
weeks.
J
J
J
Currently
in
north
carolina,
women
are
not
even
given
the
option.
They
do
not
know
that
they
have
an
option,
and
it
is
the
same
in
tennessee,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
about
products
of
conception
or
the
truth
about
the
fetal
remains,
if
you
have
them
again.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
B
M
M
It's
not
fetal
cells,
it's
not
a
clump
of
cells,
it's
a
baby,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
establishing
that
early
in
your
testimony,
and
I
can't
wait
to
hear
from
your
colleagues-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
bill
sponsor
that
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee
that
we're
going
to
codify
that
from
the
moment
of
conception
that
we
treat
this
as
issue
as
an
unborn
child
or
a
pre-born
child
that
has
unfortunately
met
its
demise,
but
it's
not
medical
waste.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
M
J
L
I'm
sorry
pamela
whitehead,
the
next
person
who
is
going
to
speak
on
a
separate
nonprofit,
has
more
of
the
facts
and
figures
of
sta
of
a
country-wide
numbers,
but
we
did
of
course,
look
at
the
numbers
for
your
state
between
two.
That's
only
two
surgical
abortion
clinics
perform
more
than
ten
thousand,
so
that's
five,
five
thousand
for
each
that
means
200
a
week.
That
means
a
hundred
a
clinic
that
means
50
a
day
because
they
only
do
it
twice
a
day.
M
L
H
H
B
L
So
kelly
lester
will
speak
kelly
and
annette
worked
at
abortion
facilities,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
why
I'm
standing
here
and
sitting
here
with
you.
As
of
2015-16,
I
was
a
very
active
pro-choice
democrat.
I
stood
for
planned
parenthood
through
my
2014
race
to
state
delegate.
I
was
one
of
those
active,
staunch
defenders
of
abortion
woman
right
to
choose.
L
I
even
though
I
wasn't
working
in
the
abortion
clinic,
I
was
a
part
of
the
abortion
industry
because
I
was
one
of
the
activist
advocates,
so
I,
to
this
day,
don't
know
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
abortion
industry,
because
they're
purposefully
kept
secret,
so
that
democrats,
liberals,
progressives
women
in
college.
Women
in
law,
school
howard,
university,
school
of
law,
class
of
2006
will
defend
it
to
death,
but
the
moment
that
we
articulate
fetal
remains
baby
your
child
you're,
a
mother-
oh
guess
what
you're
a
father?
L
L
The
entire
industry
is
cloaked
in
muck
and
secrecy
to
a
point
where
a
jd
mba
dc
native
nominated
for
congress
still
will
never
know
the
details,
and
so
that
is
why
our
abortion
clinic
quitters
travel
so
that
the
truth
can
be
heard
across
the
country
wherever
the
truth
needs
to
be
heard.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
C
N
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
clarify.
I
I
think
my
colleague
was
just
asking
questions.
I
respect
your
rights
to
have
your
views,
the
witnesses
I
just
wish
you
had
as
much
respect
for
the
women
who
are
walking
in
a
different
set
of
shoes
sometimes
and
have
to
make
difficult
decisions,
and
let's
not
be
as
judgmental
on
those
folks,
but
I
don't
think
my
colleague
from
davidson
county
was
rude
to
anyone.
N
L
Representative
mitchell,
my
name
is
elizabeth
felicity
matory,
jd
mba,
I
counseled
three
of
my
friends
through
abortions.
I
was
personally
pro-life
catholic
strategy
personally
pro-life,
but
women's
right
to
choose.
That
is
what
most
catholics
walk
through
both
democrat
and
republican
parties
for
the
last
50
years.
I
personally
did
have
to
counsel
three
of
my
friends.
L
K
K
I
am
now
the
mother
of
six
children,
I'm
a
wife,
a
volunteer
in
my
community,
and
I
advocate
for
those
going
through
experiences
like
mine.
Although
it
is
difficult
to
tell
you
need
to
hear
my
testimony,
because
I
have
been
on
all
sides
of
this
abortion
debate.
I
have
been
client,
I
have
been
employee.
K
I
have
been
a
pro-life
advocate
and
my
experiences
representative
are
like
many
women
faced
with
the
difficult
choice
of
abortion.
While
I
grew
up
a
somewhat
privileged
childhood,
I
also
experienced
a
life
of
violence
at
four.
I
was
molested
by
a
family
member
at
12.
I
was
raped
at
a
party
and
at
15
I
walked
in
alone.
For
my
first
abortion.
K
There
was
no
parental
consent,
given
there
was
no
discussion
about
options
and
there
was
no
explanation
of
potential
risks
or
side
effects.
There
was
also
no
discussion
about
what
was
going
to
happen
to
my
baby.
After
being
torn
from
my
young
body-
and
this
was
an
estate
that
required
all
of
these
things
as
a
standard
of
care
for
abortion,
this
day
changed
my
life.
Before
this
day,
I
had
early
acceptance
to
college,
I
was
a
nationally
ranked
athlete
and
a
regular
church
attender.
K
K
K
Part
of
this
was
editing
magazines
to
make
sure
that
nothing
would
change
these
women's
mind
from
why
they
had
come
to
us
abortion.
We
often
bypassed
laws.
We
shortcutted
regulations
to
prevent,
shaming
the
women
we
served.
The
reality
is
that
where
there
was
not
strict
requirements
of
reporting,
we
blurred
lines
and
we
cut
corners.
K
This
fetal
remains
bill
is
another
step
in
guaranteeing
that
there
is
proper
accountability
for
these
women.
Where
are
the
10
800
babies?
Reportedly
aborted
last
year
in
tennessee,
I
had
two
more
abortions
after
this,
where
the
dads
wanted
to
keep
the
baby,
but
my
body,
my
choice,
left
them
with
no
voice
in
the
matter,
and
they
now
have
nowhere
to
go
mourn
the
loss
of
their
child.
K
K
B
K
B
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Well,
I
called
knoxville
clinic
this
morning
and
I
spoke
to
the
director
carolina
on
the
phone
and
I
asked
that
specific
question
after
I
tried
to
make
an
appointment
for
an
abortion
as
if
I
was
a
woman
who
needed
one,
and
she
told
me
that
it
was
illegal
for
her
to
give
me
those
remains
because
they
were
considered
biohazardous
waste
knoxville
clinic
does
abortions.
On
mondays
and
thursdays,
those
are
the
only
days
that
they
perform
abortions,
so
the
numbers
you
heard
earlier
reflect
that.
O
O
This
is
about
responsibility,
plain
and
simple,
and
I'm
asking
you
to
follow
through
who
will
assume
final
responsibility
for
the
disposition
of
these
human
remains.
You
have
an
opportunity
today
to
restore
dignity,
to
the
lives
of
over
10
000
humans
who
are
killed
in
your
state
every
year.
On
your
watch
and
under
your
leadership.
O
B
M
O
M
M
If
you
want
to
say
that
can
take
a
baby,
which
is
a
person
out
of
a
mother's
womb
by
piece
by
piece
pulling
the
head
off,
pulling
the
arms
off
pulling
the
torso
off
pulling
the
legs
off,
and
then
somebody
sitting
there
are
standing
there,
putting
this
baby
back
together
to
make
sure
all
the
parts
are
back
together
too
we're
in
a
sick
society,
and
I
appreciate
representative
rudd
bringing
this
bill.
I
didn't
have
the
clue
that
this
was
happening.
I
was
raised
on
a
farm.
I
know
what
we
done
with.
M
When
we
had
a
dog
die,
we
had
a
cow
die,
we
dug
a
hole
and
we
buried
it.
That's
what
we
done
on
the
farm.
I
didn't
realize
that
we
was
putting
lives
in
the
garbage
can
or
putting
them
in
a
landfill,
putting
them
in
a
grinder
and
grinding
them
up
we're
in
a
sick,
sick
society.
Thank
you,
ladies
very
much.
B
E
E
I
am
opposed
to
this
bill
because
I
do
not
think
our
government
should
be
in
the
business
of
legislating,
whether
to
or
how
we
should
grieve
through
my
work
on
an
abortion
storytelling
program
called
the
tennessee
stories
project.
I
have
heard
countless
experiences
of
people
sharing
what
it
was
like
to
make
the
decision
to
end
their
pregnancy
here
in
tennessee.
E
E
E
Again,
I
can't
speak
to
what
other
states
are
like
only
tennessee,
it's
incredibly
clear
that
this
bill
isn't
about
giving
people
seeking
abortion
care
options,
it's
about,
limiting
which
options
exist
for
us,
there's,
no
medical
or
rational
justification
for
treating
tissue
from
a
procedure
performed
at
an
abortion
clinic
any
differently
than
tissue
from
procedures
performed
at
hospitals
or
the
embryos
that
fertility
clinics
must
dispose.
Of.
This
a
bill
is
about
nothing
other
than
stigmatizing
and
harassing
abortion
providers
and
their
patients.
E
This
is
yet
another
in
a
long
line
of
extremist
attempts
to
end
abortion
in
tennessee.
Under
this
bill,
patients
wouldn't
even
have
the
option
of
sending
fetal
tissue
to
pathology
like
hospitals
have.
This
is
treating
it
as
a
specialized
area
of
care
and
specifically
targeting
abortion
providers.
I
heard
the
sponsor
talk
about
how
he
doesn't
believe
this
will
affect
abortion
care
and
I
recognize
he's
never
worked
in
an
abortion.
Health
center
talked
with
us,
so
he
doesn't
understand
this
fully,
but
it
will
affect
us.
E
E
I
am
not
a
doctor
and
I
did
not
invent
medical
schools,
so
I
don't
think
I'm
the
best
person
to
answer
that
question.
But
I
will
say
that
the
answer
of
life
is
a
complicated
question
and
we,
as
human
beings,
do
not
get
to
decide
that
some
people
have
different
beliefs
on
when
life
begins.
But
we
know
that
politicians
no
disrespect
intended
are
not
the
experts.
M
M
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
all
of
you
who
have
testified
for
your
courage
and
the
points
that
you're
making.
I
think
our
legislative
assembly
is
composed
of
thoughtful
people
who
will
decide
really
based
on
their
own
values.
I
want
to
thank
representative
sheriff
for
complimenting
me
just
to
clarify
in
the
original
hippocratic
oath.
Abortion
is
not
allowed.
P
I'm
taking
a
life
is
not
allowed
in
the
original
oath,
but
then,
as
life
moves
on
and
revisions
happen,
it
was
in
1964
a
physician
by
the
name
of
dr
luiz
lasagna,
easy
to
remember
at
trust
university.
He
did
the
revised
oath
in
which
this
was
left
out
and
certain
other
things,
including
prayer
to
god.
The
original
hypocrite
opens
by
a
prayer
to
apollo.
That
is
what
was
the
god
at
that
time,
god
was
taken
out.
P
A
prohibition
against
abortion
was
taken
out,
and
membership
to
ema
was
put
in
those
are
the
times
we
live
in
how
things
have
changed,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
in
the
original
oath
it
was
against.
If
again,
our
job
was
to
totally
pro-life
support
life
in
every
way
that
we
can
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions
and
clarifications,
and,
and
thankfully
medical
science
has
improved
since
hippocratic
oath
originated
from
greek,
but
anyway,
what
how
many
surgical
abortions
can
be
or
are
performed
at
a
clinic
a
day
I
heard
50.
That
seems
like
a
lot
to
me,
but
it
may
be
accurate.
Can
you.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That's
a
great
question.
While
I
don't
know
the
specific
numbers,
because
obviously
things
change
over
time
and
depending
on
what
laws
are
in
place,
how
hard
things
can
be
to
access
in
different
states.
I
know
that
50
is
a
lot
more
than
ever
happened
in
a
single
day
at
the
health
center.
I
worked
at
knoxville
center
for
reproductive
health.
I
also
believe
some
of
the
previous
speakers
got
a
little
bit
confused
and
were
adding
together
the
totals
of
medication,
abortion
and
surgical
abortion
to
get
to
that
10
000
number.
Q
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Today
we
don't
see
each
other
from
the
same
view,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
not
your
view,
and
so
I
can
appreciate
that.
I
will
say
you
testified
that
you
dispose
of
medical
waste
much
like
other
medical
entities.
Would
I
guess
the
question
as
it
relates
to
medical
waste,
is:
do
you
see
a
difference
between
say,
a
non-cancerous
tumor
and
an
aborted
fetus
you're
recognized.
E
I
think
that
is
a
complicated
question
where
I
am
not
a
medical
expert,
I'm
not
a
doctor.
I
don't
feel
qualified
enough
to
go
to
answer
that,
I
think
for
individual
human
experiences
and
how
they
feel
about
their
bodies
and
procedures.
That's
a
whole
other
complicated
area.
So
I
think
when
we
talk
about
the
differences
between
the
two,
I
don't
think
there
is
an
actual
answer.
There.
Q
Thank
you
for
your
answer.
I
think
for
me.
If,
if
I
were
to
treat
a
a
tumor
and
a
fetus
the
same
by
putting
them
in
the
same
place,
then
my
actions
would
determine
what
my
view
is,
and
I
think
in
this
instance,
when
we're
told
by
your
testimony
that
you
are
disposing
of
fetal
remains
as
the
same
as
another
medical
provider
might
a
tumor,
then,
by
the
nature
of
your
view,
you
dispose
of
it.
E
E
I
believe
everybody
has
very
complicated
nuanced
ideas
on
abortion
and
that
should
be
allowed,
but
when
we
have
our
government
making
these
uniform
blank
policies
that
can't
really
be
allowed-
and
that's
where
I'm
coming
from-
is
the
concerns
about
government
overreach,
because
you
talked
about
the
historical
perspective,
and
one
thing
I
have
found
in
my
studies
is
that
abortion
has
always
existed
as
long
as
humanity
has
existed.
There's
evidence
of
abortion
over
4
000
years
ago.
E
At
the
same
time
of
the
hippocratic
oath,
there
were
sort
of
jokes
about
a
hippocratic
method
of
trying
to
induce
a
miscarriage
by
jumping
up
and
getting
your
heels
to
touch
your
buttocks.
Abortion
is
something
we
will
always
need
and
always
look
for,
even
when
it
is
made
incredibly
difficult
to
access
like
bills
like
this
attempt
to,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
abortion
is
safe
and
legal.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr.
I
appreciate
you
coming
back
to
me
and
I
appreciate
my
colleague
from
putnam
county's
questions.
I
think
his
his
question
was
a
fair
one
and
really
placed
this
difficult
topic
into
a
good,
a
window
for
discussion.
Aside
from
that,
I'm
curious
are
you
able
to
speak
to
when
of
those
10
800
abortions
or
how,
whatever?
That
number
was
how
many
of
those
are
performed
in
the
first
trimester?
Are
you
able
to
answer
that
question
you're.
E
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
it
is
the
vast
majority,
definitely
at
least
90
percent,
especially
most
of
the
abortion
providers
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
because
of
only
providing
medication.
Abortion
only
go
to
10
or
11
weeks
and
then
most
of
the
surgical
facilities
also
only
go
to
about
14
or
15
weeks,
just
a
few
weeks
after
that,
first
trimester.
So
it
is
the
vast
vast
majority
and
when
we
talk
about
abortions,
that
do
happen
later
in
the
first
trimester.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
and
that's
my
point.
We've
heard
some
very
shocking
graphic
explanations
of
the
the
alleged
process
here
and
what's
happening,
and
so
you
know
I'm
speaking
as
a
layman
and
what
a
fetus
looks
like
at
that
period
of
time
where
these
abortions
are
taking
place
and
I'm
trying
to
get
the
two
reach
some
agreement
there
with
the
context
of
the
testimony
we've
heard
thus
far
with
which
actually
happen
and
the
type
of
ones
we're
seeking
to
regulate.
So,
if
you
want
to
respond
to
that,
that's
fine!
B
Thank
you,
okay,
any
further
questions,
okay,
seeing
none
as
you
head
back
to
your
seat.
I
do
want
to
thank
all
the
those
that
that
came
and
testified
respect
your
opinions,
respect
your
right
again.
Thank
you
for
coming
and
testifying.
So
without
objection
we
will
go
back
into
session
and
before
we
get
to
the
sponsor,
I
do
want
to
address
something
that
was
brought
up
out
of
session.
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
the
information
and
thank
all
of
you.
I
think
I've
explained
the
bill
and
again
this
is
in
no
way
shape
or
form
limiting
an
abortion
or
access
to
an
abortion.
This
is
simply
trying
to
create
the
remains
of
a
human
being
with
dignity
at
a
very
minimal
cost
and
a
very
minimal.
F
It
is
a
human
being
and
whether
that
and
how
far
along
that
is,
whether
it's
almost
right
up
to
birth
or
or
besides,
they
should
be
treated
with
dignity
and
also
I'll
address.
One
other
thing
that
was
asked:
you
can't
walk
into
a
tennessee
hospital
and
ask
for
an
abortion,
because
you
don't
want
the
child
abortions.
F
It
is
not
an
abortion
elected
abortion
on
demand
for
convenience.
It
is
strictly
for
the
health
of
a
woman,
and
that,
unfortunately,
is
not
the
reasons.
Abortions
are
created
in
clinics
and
those
babies
that
are
being
aborted
for
surgical
or
health
reasons
in
a
hospital
which
are
rare,
are
treated
with
dignity.
Currently,
that
is
their
practice,
and
we
just
want
that
same
level
of
dignity
for
other
facilities.
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
again
I'm
gonna.
This
question
goes
back
to
from
the
witnesses.
The
definition
of
fatal
remains
in
this
bill,
and
legal
may
need
to
answer
this
because
I
don't
know
the
answer
is:
fetal
remains
to
find
anywhere
else
in
the
code,
because
this
definition
of
fetal
remains
only
means
an
aborted,
fetus
or
fetal
tissue
that
results
from
an
abortion
of
an
unborn
child.
B
H
You
know,
I
know
that
women
a
lot
of
women
more
than
we
probably
realize,
have
miscarriages
those
of
us
who've
experienced
it
is
it's
a
very
difficult
process
and
to
have
what
was
miscarried
not
be
contained
within
the
definition
of
fetal
remains
is
some
is
very
concerning
to
me
and
could
be
offensive
to
to
families.
Thank
you.
N
F
Yes,
that's
been
discussed
earlier.
What
what
we
the
bill
calls
for
is
that
the
mother
has
a
choice.
First
of
all
that
what
this
bill
basically
does
and
I'll
describe
it
since
you,
you
weren't
here
it
upon
and
upon
the
baby's
death
and
in
a
clinic
where
there's
an
elected,
surgical
abortion,
the
mother
would
be
asked.
F
How
do
you
want
to
handle
the
remains
of
your
child
by
cremation
or
by
burial,
and
if
she
chooses
not
to
participate,
walk
out
the
door,
her
her
responsibility
ends,
and
it
would
be
the
if
she
chooses
not
to
handle
it
not
to
send
it
to
a
funeral
home
not
to
to
take
the
two
options
there.
Then
she
at
that
point
would
hand
that
over
to
the
abortion
facility,
and
they
would
be
responsible
for
it
and
in
some
cases
there
are
non-profit
charities
that
also
assist
with
this.
N
F
N
So
with
with
your
you
know,
when
you
describe
as
life
beginning,
that
kind
of
gives
me
concerned
about,
you
know
other
places
in
tennessee.
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware
of
it
or
not,
but
we
have
the
national
embryo
donation
center
for
the
for
the
country
here
in
tennessee,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
people
from
all
over
the
country
that,
after
you
know,
they
pay
so
much
per
year
to
preserve
their
embryos,
and
then
they
decide
hey
we're
through
having
children.
N
Now
we're
not
gonna,
you
know
pay
that
500
anymore
they're
just
taken
out
of
the
freezer.
So
you
know
if,
if
your
legislation's
going
to
affect
you
know
certain
centers,
I
I
think
by
your
definition
of
life.
Don't
you
think
you
ought
to.
You
know,
make
sure
it
affects
that
as
well.
Wouldn't
that
bother
you
as
well.
F
No
and
a
legal
maybe
could
answer
that.
I
know
that
there
are
certain
federal
and
I
got.
There
are
certain
federal
guidelines
as
far
as
what
you're
talking
about
my
bill
doesn't
address
that
it
only
addresses
if
a
child
is
going
to
be
left
at
the
abortion
clinic
or
some
other
facility,
where
they
don't
want
the
child,
how
it's
to
be
disposed
of
and
she's,
given
a
choice.
C
N
I
mean
you
know
the
dignity.
We
were
talking
about:
the
dignity
of
all
you're,
you're,
picking
and
choosing
who
you
want
to
choose
dignity
for
you
know,
and
you
specifically
said
well.
No,
no,
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
that,
but
you're
into
it.
You
know
you
don't
get
to
pick
and
choose
who
you
choose
dignity
for
in
society.
F
F
B
B
B
B
C
B
C
H
B
B
B
C
B
C
B
R
R
C
C
C
B
R
R
So
this
bill
states
that
there
is
a
presumption
that,
when
a
firefighter
seeks
treatment
for
ptsd
that
it
is
a
work-related
injury
that
that
is
always
has
an
investigation,
and
there
has
to
be
proof
of
that,
but
the
presumption
benefits
and
and
brings
these
folks
forward
just
about
all
of
you
signed
on
to
this
bill
in
the
past,
and
I
asked
for
a
favorable
vote
and
welcome
your
help
in
moving
this
bill
forward
this
year.
So
with
that
said,
sir,
I
would
I
would
renew
the
motion.
B
Any
questions
on
the
bill:
okay,
seeing
none,
we
are
voting
on
house
bill
1356,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
bill,
goes
on
to
finance
ways
and
means.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
six
house
bill.
670.,
representative
freeman,
you
are
recognized.
You
have
motion.
Second,
there's
an
amendment
six,
one!
Four
four!
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir
okay,
you
have
motion.
Second
on
the
amendment.
G
B
Okay,
any
questions
on
the
amendment:
okay,
seeing
none.
We
are
voting
on
amendment
6144,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye
opposed
okay,
eyes,
eyes,
have
it:
okay,
we
are
back
on
house
bill
670
as
amended
any
questions
from
the
no
okay
seeing
none.
We
are
voting
on
house
bill
670
as
amended.
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
bill
goes
on
to
calendar
and
rules
right.
That
brings
us.
We
have
rolled
item.
Number.
Seven
brings
us
to
item
number
eight.
B
M
I
just
wanted
to
bring
the
memberships
attention
to
the
passing
of
carl's
charles
coolidge
tennessee's
last
and
longest
living
recipient
of
the
medal
of
honor.
The
medal
of
honor
heritage
center
in
chattanooga
is
named
after
him.
He
died
at
99
years
of
age
in
the
wee
hours
of
the
morning
and
there
will
be
tributes,
but
I'm
sure
that
we
will
invite
the
membership
and
particularly
the
veterans
caucus
to
participate
in
his
service.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.