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House Local Government Committee- January 25, 2022- House Hearing Room I
A
This
time
I'll
call
a
local
committee
full
to
to
order.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here,
members
and
guests
at
this
time.
I'll
ask
the
clerk.
If
she
would
please
call
the
roll
representatives
calfi
carr
chisholm,
gant,
helton,
hodges,
hosca,
leatherwood
love,
manus,
miller,
moody,
moon,
reedy,
rudd,
shaw
williams,
vice
chairman
wright,
chairman
crawford
present.
A
A
A
A
D
Thank
you,
chairman
crawford.
It's
my
honor
today
under
you,
secretary
of
state
trey,
hargett
and
director
of
elections,
mark
goins,
the
elections
and
campaign
finance
subcommittee
asked
them
to
prepare
a
presentation
for
us
and
update
us
on
their
efforts
to
make
voter
registration
and
ballot
security.
What
I
consider
to
be
the
best
and
most
secure
in
the
nation,
while
other
states
from
pennsylvania
to
arizona
and
wisconsin
to
georgia,
had
issues
in
the
election
in
2020.
D
E
Thank
you
chairman
crawford,
thank
you,
chairman
rudd,
and
I'm
so
grateful
that
you've,
given
us
the
opportunity
to
come
and
visit
with
you
this
morning
and
that
you
had
the
wisdom
and
to
invite
mark
goins
to
make
a
presentation
to
you
and
I
kind
of
feel,
like
I'm
the
salad
for
the
steak.
So
I
recognize
that
he
was
the
one
you
really
asked
for,
and
I
get
the
opportunity
to
say
a
few
words.
E
He
has
sought,
as
he
is
sought
after
by
other
states,
for
his
opinion
on
issues.
He
also
he
and
I
both
have
served
on
the
governing
coordinating
council
for
election
infrastructure
and
has
been
a
leader
nationally
and
in
fact,
just
to
tell
you
how
well
thought
of
he
is
there's
a
lot
of
other
secretaries
of
states
who
serve
on
the
eac
standards
board,
and
I
could
appoint
myself
I
wanted
to.
E
Instead,
I
chose
to
appoint
mark
and-
and
there
was
a
pressure
from
other
secretaries
around
the
country
for
all
of
us
to
serve
on
it
and
when
I
told
a
couple
of
them
I
said
well,
keep
in
mind.
I
said.
Mark
goins
has
served
on
here,
has
done
a
great
job
for
us
and,
and
they
said
oh
no
you're,
the
one
person
that
you
need
to
have
mark
goings
on
there.
Instead
of
you
and
that's
a
testament
to
how
well
marcus
thought
of
nationally
and
he's
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
election
integrity.
E
As
and
as
you
came
back
for
you
know,
as
you
reconvened
the
session,
is
you
wanted?
You
made
very
clear
what
laws
we
had
and
how
we
ought
to
run
the
tennessee
elections
and
what
we
weren't
going
to
do,
and
that
was
very
helpful
to
us
to
make
sure
that
we
gave
clear
instruction
across
the
state
and
while
a
lot
of
other
states
out,
there
were
repairing
back
hours
and
consolidating
polling
places.
E
We
kept
our
polling
places
open
and
in
fact
we
encourage
counties
out
there
to
expand
early
voting
hours
so
that
we
could
spread
voters
out
and
have
less
voters
in
at
the
same
time,
and
and
so
we
get
a
lot
of
credit
a
lot
of
times
for
how
well
things
went.
It's
also
at
the
county
level
and
the
count
our
county
officials
across
the
state
did
a
fantastic
job
of
making
sure
that
we
preserved
tennesseans
opportunity
to
vote.
They
continue
to
say
they
want
to
vote
in
person
we
had
about
over
about.
E
E
So
we
saw
a
lot
of
that
going
on
and-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
again
for
the
leadership
this
committee
and
the
legislature
for
making
sure
that
we
had
clear
direction
for
how
to
run
these
elections,
give
and
the
autonomy
you
gave
us
to
go.
Do
that.
So
thank
you
and
without
further
ado,
the
star
of
the
show
mark
goins.
F
I
don't
know
if
I'm
the
star
of
the
show,
but
I'm
certainly
honored,
to
to
really
brag
on
you
and
the
election
officials
and
it's
been
an
honor
to
work
for
secretary
hargett.
He
he
is
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
early
in
the
morning
late
at
night,
this
person
is
available
for
the
phone
on
phone
email.
F
F
If
it's
like
a
football
game,
it
was
the
next
person
up
and
sometimes
we
had
to
bring
people
from
other
election
offices
to
help
conduct
those
elections.
And
I
I
really
you
know
the
morale
of
of
election
officials
across
the
state,
and
this
was
not
part
of
the
presentation,
but
the
door's
been
opened
when
you're
back
home.
F
It's
something
that
I'm
seeing
statewide
I've
told
secretary
hargan,
I'm
concerned
about,
and
I
see
some
of
you
in
this
room
that
have
lost
administrators
and
some
of
them
have
left
for
jobs
that
I
would
consider
not
a
lateral
move,
but
a
move
that
is
not
as
they're
going
down
instead
of
up
in
many
instances.
But
anyway,
if
you
get
an
opportunity,
please
thank
them
and
then
our
heroes.
Our
heroes,
are
the
folks
that
work,
the
polling
location.
You
know
they
knew
that
there
was
a
chance
they
could
get
coveted.
F
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
issues
that
some
of
these
other
states
had
you
all,
as
a
legislature
passed
a
bill
that
allowed
us
to
open
up
the
pool
particularly
allowed
us
younger
poll
officials,
had
we
not
done
that
in
2020,
I
don't
think
we
could
have
conducted
the
election
like
we
did
and
there
was
some
challenges.
I
mean
there
were
some
folks
literally
three
weeks
before
the
election,
there
was
a
a
a
church
that
well
there
were
some
elders
of
a
church
that
said,
you've
lost
33
pollen
locations.
F
You
know
three
weeks
before
the
election.
Fortunately
we
were
able
to
talk
them
into
allowing
us
to
use
those
facilities,
but
it
was
a
lot
of
negotiation
secretary,
hargett
myself
and
also
at
the
local
level.
But
let's
talk
about
tennessee,
specifically
in
tennessee,
and
what
you
really
want
to
do
is
have
a
balance
you
want
to
make
it
easy
to
vote,
but
the
same
time
hard
to
cheat,
and
that's
really,
you
know
what
tennessee
has
done.
F
If
you
look
at
the
system
that
we've
designed
and
let's
talk
about
the
easy
to
vote-
part
easy
to
register
to
vote,
you
know
you
can
register
to
vote
online.
Now,
what's
astounding
to
me
just
last
night:
every
morning
I
get
a
stat
on
how
many
people
registered
through
the
ovr
and
ovr
is
online
voter
registration,
but
it's
also
transactions.
So
if
someone
is
moved,
they
can
go
to
ovr
online
voter
registration
and
do
that.
600
people
yesterday
took
care
of
a
service
that
you
are
providing
600
people
yesterday
alone.
F
They
ensure
that
you
are
who
you
say
you
are
where
you
live
is
where
you
live
and
they
communicate
with
other
states
to
make
sure
that
you're
not
a
resident
of
other
states
and
that's
actually
something
they've
got
a
lot
better
on
based
on
some
laws.
That's
passed
that
you
all
have
assisted
them
with
in
recent
years,
so
online
voter
registration
because
of
online
voter
registration.
F
You
can
register
there
literally
if
somebody's
listening
this
presentation,
if
you've
moved
to
another
area
in
the
the
state
or,
if
you've
not
registered,
to
vote,
I
encourage
you
do
it.
While
I'm
doing
my
presentation
it'll,
take
you
two
to
three
minutes
to
register
to
vote
in
tennessee
or
change
your
address.
F
You
can
rest
your
department
safe.
Do
we
get
a
lot
of
restorations
department
safety
so
when
somebody
goes
to
renew
their
driver's
license
or
has
a
transaction
with
them?
And
of
course
people
are
updating
with
the
real
id
right
now,
so
we're
getting
a
lot
of
registrations
to
department
of
safety,
but
other
state
agencies
as
well.
You
can
register
by
mail
and
you
can
also
register
at
the
county
election
commission
office.
So
when
I
say
it's
easy
to
vote,
the
first
step
is
easy
to
register.
F
F
It's
also
easy
to
vote
early
voting
20
days
before
the
election.
As
you
know,
you
can
actually
go
and
vote
in
person.
Do
voters
like
it?
Well,
let's
look
at
2020
of
november,
67
percent
of
your
voters
went
and
and
voted
in
person
early
when
you
combine
that
with
the
seven
percent
that
voted
by
mail,
three
out
of
four
of
your
voters
voted
early
now,
you'll
have
some
activists
out
there
saying
they
may
not
like
early
voting
or
whatever.
F
The
case
may
be
three
out
of
four
of
your
voters,
and
probably
the
majority
of
you
in
this
sitting
here
before
me,
voted
early,
very
convenient
for
the
voter
once
again
making
it
easy
to
vote
in
tennessee
and,
of
course,
if
you're
eligible
to
vote,
you
can
vote
by
mail
I'll
go
on
that
in
more
detail.
In
just
a
moment,
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
roadmap
where
I'm
going.
F
I
want
to
talk
about
the
list
maintenance
program,
how
we
secure
election
data,
the
certification
of
voting
machines,
bipartisan
certification
of
election
process
and
absentee
by
mail
voting
process
as
well.
What's
the
list
maintenance
program?
Do
it
serves
to
make
sure
that
the
voter
restoration
records
are
current
and
accurate?
It
serves
to
remove
anyone,
that's
ineligible
from
the
voting
rolls
and
when
is
it
done?
It's
actually
done
daily
so
every
day,
there's
someone
that's
being
removed
and
by
way
of
example.
F
So
if
I
live
and
and
and
you'll
hear
a
lot
of
times,
people
say,
oh,
you
got
all
these
purge.
Voters
out
there,
I'm
a
purge
voter
myself.
That
doesn't
mean
I
can't
vote.
Let
me
give
an
example:
I
used
to
live
in
god's
country,
east
tennessee,
campbell
county
and
when
I
moved
to
davidson
county,
not
saying
it's
not
god's
country,
but
the
promised
land
is
in
east
tennessee
right.
But
anyway,
when
I
moved
to
davidson
county
and
I
registered
to
vote
in
in
davidson
county,
I
was
purged
from
campbell
county.
F
So
I'm
one
of
the
purged
voters:
well,
that's
one
way
that
people
are
removed
from
the
voter
rolls.
If
I
move
to
a
different
state,
the
other
state
gives
us
notice.
Well,
we
go
through
that
as
well.
So
let
me
break
that
down
a
little
bit
more.
How
do
we
find
out
if
somebody
moved
within
the
state
or
if
they
moved
to
another
state?
Most
of
the
time
we
will
find
out
that
a
person
is
moved
within
the
state
when
they
register
to
vote
in
that
other
county.
F
Now
it
may
be
that
when
I
moved
to
davidson
county,
I've
not
risked
her
to
vote
there.
Well,
if
I'm
not
registered
to
vote
there,
then
I'm
going
to
show
up
on
the
national
change
of
address.
When
I
move
to
a
different
state,
I
notify
the
post
office
well
we're
getting
that
information.
We
do
this
list.
We
have
about
200
000
people
last
year
that
we
got
notification
that
may
have
moved
now.
There's
a
process,
though,
because
sometimes
that's
a
misnomer.
F
The
fact
that
someone
has
notified
the
post
office
that
they're
no
longer
using
that
address
that
necessarily
mean
they've
moved.
It
could
mean
they're
down
in
florida
and
join
the
winner
and
they're
coming
back
to
tennessee
in
the
summer.
So
there's
a
process.
You
know
we
send
a
confirmation
notice,
that's
not
affordable
to
find
out
if
this
person
lives
there
and
if
they
don't
send
that
confirmation
at
confirming
their
address,
then
we
start
to
remove
a
process.
There's
a
cancellation
report
that
we
do
and
this
basically
comes
from
other
states.
F
So
someone
goes
to
alabama
and
on
the
voter
registration
form,
they
say
why
is
formally
registered
to
vote
in
sevier
county
tennessee?
Well
we're
going
to
send
notice
to
sevier
county
because
they're
going
to
notify
us-
and
this
happens
all
the
time.
While
I'm
doing
this
presentation
we're
going
to
get
some
notifications,
it
doesn't
stop
it's
continual,
so
we'll
notify
sevier
county
or
they
can
notify
severe
county
directly
disease
deceased
report.
F
Unfortunately,
I'm
starting
to
see
those
numbers
go
up.
I
don't
know
if
it's
covet
or
where
the
case
may
be,
but
by
way
of
example,
looking
at
the
different
agencies,
most
of
the
number
names
we're
going
to
get
come
from
vital
stats,
but
we
had
11
000
people
that
actually
were
on
the
list
from
december
that
had
passed.
8
000
of
those
were
registered
voters
now
some
of
those
well
actually,
let
me
rephrase
that
8
000
of
those
had
a
record
with
the
division
of
elections.
F
It
may
have
been
they've
been
purged
for
other
reasons,
but
most
the
time
it's
an
active
voter
or
an
inactive
voter
that
we've
removed,
so
8
000
individuals
were
removed,
and
this
happens.
Every
month
we
get
the
list
at
the
state
level
from
vital
stats.
They
also
get
the
list
locally,
so
your
local
administrator
will
be
getting
that
information
from
the
local
funeral
homes.
There's
various
ways
to
to
get
this
information,
and
once
again,
that's
done
regularly.
F
Let's
talk
about
securing
election
data,
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
do
and
the
way
that
we
can
clean
our
roles
as
actively
as
we
do.
We
do
utilize,
the
full
social
security
number
I'll.
Tell
you
that
keeps
me
up,
but
not
knowing
that
we've
got
to
secure
that
data,
but
at
the
same
time
I
know
that
it
keeps
our
voter
roles
as
clean
as
we
can
keep
them,
because
we
we
have
that
tool.
F
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done,
we've
brought
in
the
tennessee
bureau
of
investigations
in
the
federal
bureau
of
investigations
to
conduct
some
of
our
trainer
conduct
their
ministry
and
that
training
to
our
administrators
and
election
officials,
we're
teaching
them
from
the
best.
The
folks
that
investigate
how
folks
are
trying
to
steal
through
cyber
means
we're
teaching
them
how
to
prevent
that
as
best
they
can.
F
We've
done
this
at
state
seminars,
but
we
really
try
to
focus
on
this
at
regional
seminars
in
a
smaller
group.
So
we
can
talk
about
to
them
more
in
detail
the
us
department
of
homeland
security.
They
offer
security
inspections.
It's
volunteer.
It's
not
something!
That's
mandated
at
this
point,
but
any
county
that
wants
to
they'll
come
in
and
they'll
look
at
the
the
physical
aspect
of
where
we're
storing
voting
machines.
F
If
there's
a
drop
down
ceiling,
they
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
firewall
up
in
the
ceiling,
so
someone
can't
climb
through
the
ceiling,
they're,
very
productive
and
it's
something
that's
been
very
beneficial
to
our
counties.
Secretary
hargett
has
authorized
online
training
for
state
and
county
election
officials
through
cyber
security
happens
every
month
and
and
that's
something
that
we
offer
to
all
of
our
counties
as
well.
F
That's
correct
this
isn't
for
voting
machines.
What
I'm
talking
about
this
third
party
came
in.
They
wanted
to
make
sure.
So
we
have
a
separate
computer
specifically
for
voter
registration
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
locked
down.
The
state
provides
that
computer
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
locked
down.
That
was
something
that
they
looked
at
and
then
they
also
just
looked
at
the
general
cyber
security
wanted
to
make
sure
that
passwords
weren't
posted
on
the
wall,
so
somebody
came
into
the
you
know
basic
stuff
like
that
it
was.
F
It
was
truly
a
cyber
security
practice
make
sure
they're
put
in
place
and
the
folks
are
actually
doing
it.
This
is
the
one
that
really
gave
me
an
eye
full
or
an
awakening.
If
you
will,
a
few
years
ago,
I
attended
defcon
and
sort
of
along
the
lines
of
the
tbi
and
fbi,
you
got
to
kind
of
get
in
the
mind
of
the
criminal.
F
If
you
will,
how
would
they
if,
if
I
were
sitting
on
the
outside,
how
would
I
attack
an
election
official
office
or
or
the
state,
and
we
certainly
have
experts
in
the
on
the
governor's
side
that
helped
protect?
You
know
they
have
their
cyber
security.
Folks
secretary
harget
has
a
cyber
security
team
with
credentials.
That's
incredible.
F
F
We
were
in
front
the
other
thing.
Is
you
all
passed
a
law
that
says
if
someone
reports,
someone
for
voter
fraud
and
that
person
is
convicted,
they
can
receive
a
thousand
dollars.
Of
course
that's
on
their
application
to
vote
by
mail.
You
know
one
of
the
ways
that
some
folks
have
said
and
in
the
past,
if
you
look
at
court
cases,
even
in
tennessee,
where
voter
fraud
has
been
committed,
it's
where
someone
may
have
gone
to
this
person
said
I'll
I'll
pay
you
so
much.
If
you'll
vote
this
certain
way.
F
F
Physical
security
there's
a
chain
of
custody-
that's
maintained,
documented
in
in
the
election
commission
offices
once
again,
our
election
officials
on
the
local
level
doing
a
tremendous
job.
Let's
talk
about
machine
certification,
if
you
want
to
buy
a
machine
today,
voting
machines
today,
here's
here's
the
process
that
that
machine
has
to
go
through
the
eac
tests
that
equipment-
and
he
said
that
you
know
secretary
harget
talked
about
me
being
on
the
standards
board.
That's
a
board
that
has
a
hundred
members
over
100
members.
F
It's
one
from
each
state,
a
republican
and
a
democrat
or
someone
who's,
a
non-partisan
position
and
it's
a
local
and
it's
a
state
and
we
come
together
and
we
figure
out
what
the
voter
would
need
and
administratively
what
what
what
you
would
do
for
voting
equipment.
At
the
same
time,
you
have
the
best
security
experts
in
the
nation.
They
are
coming
up
with
guidelines
and
we
mesh
these
guidelines
together
and
that's
what
this
this
equipment
is
actually
tested
to
and
it's
tested
through
independent
labs
and
on
the
on
their
end.
F
When
we
get
it,
there's
a
republican
machine
technician
in
every
county
and
there's
a
democrat
machine
technician
in
every
county.
They
also
do
testing
of
this
equipment
as
well.
We
in
tennessee
have
taken
the
sense
that,
before
a
vendor
has
their
machine
certified
for
use
in
our
state.
We
want
to
see
it
used
in
another
state.
We
don't
want
to
be
the
guinea
pig.
You
know
this
is
serious
stuff.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
system.
That's
going
to
work
correctly.
F
Secretary
hargett
or
myself,
someone
from
our
office
we'll
go
with
a
democrat
member
from
the
state
election
commission,
a
republican
state
election
commissioner,
and
we'll
view
that
machine
being
used
in
another
state.
The
equipment
is
certified
typically
before
a
machine
is
certified
by
the
state
election
commission.
It's
been
in
two
open
meetings
and
I
know
that
dick
williams
is
here.
He's
pre-coveted.
He
attended
a
lot
of
those
meetings.
It's
a
chance
for
the
public
can
come,
they
can
look
at
the
equipment.
F
They
can
give
voice
their
opinion
if
they
want
to
about
the
equipment
as
well.
If
everything
goes
okay
in
the
the
field
test,
it's
eac
certified
and
the
public
comment
period
during
the
meeting
is
is
sufficient.
Then
the
system
can
be
certified
at
that
point.
It's
the
local
level
that
gets
to
choose
what
voting
system
to
have
tnc
doesn't
have
a
statewide
system,
they
have
five
vendors,
that's
been
certified
and
the
local
level
can
choose
which
vendor
they
want
to
use
after
competitive
bid
process.
E
F
That's
right,
so,
if
you
have
a
situation
where
there
is
some
kind
of
issue
with
a
specific
machine,
it's
not
going
to
affect
the
entire
state
certainly
would
be
an
issue,
and
god
forbid
that
to
ever
happen,
but
you've
kind
of
contained
the
issue
and,
of
course,
they're
not
connected
to
the
to
the
internet.
You
may
hear
when
you're
out
speaking
or
whatever
some
folks
saying
what
about
michigan,
we
heard
that
there
was
a
modem
in
the
voting
equipment
in
michigan.
F
Well,
michigan
allows
that
some
states
allow
that
tennessee
doesn't
what
michigan
does
instead
of
the
way
that
we
do
it
the
old-fashioned
way.
But
the
right
way
is
to
transport
the
the
votes
from
the
polling
location
to
the
county
office,
literally
in
a
car
physically
in
a
car,
and
that's
a
republican
democrat.
F
That's
doing
that
michigan
they
want
to
beat
the
news
or
whatever
they
want
to
get
the
results
as
possible,
so
they
allow
not
required,
but
they
allow
the
counties
to
have
modems
to
where
they
can
transfer
the
results
from
the
local
polling
location,
and
this
has
created
a
lot
of
confusion.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
say
well,
we
discovered
this
in
the
2020
election.
It
wasn't
discovered
in
2020
election
there's
numerous
articles
written
about
whether
michigan
should
do
that
or
not
do
that
prior
to
2020.
F
E
F
That's
a
very
important
thing
because
there's
some
folks
out
there
that
spread
misinformation
that
votes
flipped
after
the
election
well
tennessee,
first
and
foremost,
our
results
come
in
on
election
night,
now,
they're
unofficial.
There
is
a
certification
process
where
we
go
back
and
and
verify
those
and
then
also
sometimes
you'll
have
provisional
ballots.
That
may
count
somebody
didn't
show
up
with
a
photo
id
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
votes
marginally
will
will
change
after
after
an
election,
nothing
significant!
F
Here's!
What
the
county
does.
The
county
will
get
them
from
the
local
polling,
location,
they'll,
essentially
tabulate
those,
and
then
they
will
send
those
through
a
portal.
We've
set
up
a
portal
and
we've
given
each
county
their
separate
bucket,
if
you
will
and
once
again,
we've
segregated
them.
So
if
an
attacker
were
to
come
after
us,
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
figure
out
how
we
how
we've
done
it,
but
we
don't
stop
there.
So
literally,
you've
got
someone
on
the
county
level
and
we
tweet
that
secretary.
This
is
his
idea
and
his
credit.
F
F
How
did
I
know
that,
because,
back
at
that
high
school
in
your
local
jurisdiction,
where
that
precinct
is
the
republicans
and
democrats
have
signed
off
on
a
tally
tape
that
actually
show
what
the
true
results
were,
so
if
they
breach
a
website,
the
only
thing
they've
done
is
breach
a
website.
They've
not
changed.
What's
happened
at
local
level,
but
we
we
require
the
administrator
to
have
a
verbal
conversation
with
someone
in
my
office
verifying
the
final
numbers.
They
can't
go
home
until
they
do
that.
F
F
Never
do
they
transmit
the
results
to
us
and
it's
literally
a
manual
process.
The
person
on
the
local
level
are
manually
entering
those
into
the
the
portal
coming
their
way
and
they're,
getting
it
from
the
local
level
bipartisan
certification
election
results.
You
know
the
best
thing
that
you
look
at
our
system.
The
way
it's
set
up,
I
think,
is
you
hear
some
folks
going
on
one
end,
saying:
oh
there's
all
this
voter
fraud
there's
all
there
may
be
in
some
other
states,
it's
not
in
tennessee.
F
How
do
I
know
that
if
you
look
at
our
process
throughout
the
entire
process,
there's
bipartisan?
Looking
over
the
shoulder
republicans
aren't
going
to
let
democrats
cheat
and
democrats
aren't
going
to.
Let
republicans
cheat
that's
just
the
way
it
is
republicans
aren't
going
to
let
democrats
suppress
the
vote.
Democrats
aren't
going
to
let
republicans
suppress
the
vote.
F
Let's
go
into
a
little
bit
more
when
you
look
at
the
way
their
system
is
set
up,
the
way
that
you
all
have
designed
it
and
it's
the
way
the
proper
way
to
do
it.
It's
republican
democrat
election
officials
that
are
conducting
the
elections.
It's
not
all
republicans
doing
it.
It's
not
all
democrats
doing
it.
What
it
is,
it's
bipartisan
support
and
if
you
look
at
how
the
votes
are
counted,
when
they're
even
being
cast
election
officials
count
the
absentee
ballots.
F
You
have
poll
officials,
that's
working
there
that
have
that
bipartisan
representation,
early
votes
are
counted
by
bipartisan
representation
and
election
day
votes
are
counted
by
a
bipartisan
representation,
each
step
along
the
way.
You
have
that
and
as
I've
already
stated,
the
machine
technicians
and
don't
overlook
them
the
important
role
they
play.
They
set
up
the
t.
F
After
the
election,
the
counties
will
go
through
they'll,
look
at
the
tally,
tapes
make
sure
the
precinct
results
match
the
county
results
and
then,
if
you're
in
an
optical
scan,
result,
there's
a
mandatory
audit
process.
We
do
think
the
audit
process
can
be
enhanced
somewhat.
So
we'll
be
talking
to
you
a
little
bit
more
about
that
throughout
the
session.
F
Once
again,
I've
already
said
this
I'll
just
skip
along,
but
from
the
state
election
commission
to
the
local
election
commission.
There's
bipartisan
representation.
Let's
talk
about
absentee
by
mail
voting
process
in
tennessee,
certainly
the
focus
that
the
legislature
has
given
and
I
think
the
most
secure
vote
you
can
cast
is
in
person.
You
got
the
20
days
before
you
can
come
vote
in
person
and
remember
three
out
of
four
have
taken
advantage
and
67
percent
of
those
were
actually
cast
in
person.
F
But
if
you
do
need
to
vote
by
mail,
the
legislature
and
its
wisdom
have
given
certain
reasons
and
it's
common
sense
reasons.
You
know
someone's
ill
and
they
can't
make
it
to
the
poll
if
they're
a
college
student
they're
from
tennessee
and
they're
in
another
state,
you
all
have
said
in
those
instances
folks
can
vote
by
mail.
Once
again,
you
know.
Typically,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
voting
by
mail.
I
think
it's
the
way
that
our
system
is
designed
to
give
the
generous
early
voting
period,
but
it
does
happen.
F
How
do
we
make
sure
that
someone
is
not
voting
on
behalf
of
someone
else?
Tennessee
has
chosen
not
to
mail
out
mass
ballots.
You
must
make
a
request,
so
someone
who's
wanting
to
to
vote
in
tennessee.
You
make
a
request
on
about
application.
That's
the
first
step
for
our
election
officials
to
verify
that
the
person
that's
requesting
this
really
truly
is
requesting
it.
So
on
the
ballot
application.
When
it
comes
back,
we
do
a
signature
comparison.
F
We
do
another
signature
comparison
when
the
ballot
is
sent
in,
but
the
first
step
is
on
the
ballot
application
and
then
there's
a
law
to
make
sure
that
people
who
register
by
mail
that
somebody's
going
to
see
them
that
this
person
actually
exists
that
I'm
not
just
filling
out
a
voter
registration
form
and
and
not
not
be
a
person
to
exist.
So
if
you
register
to
vote
by
mail
the
first
time
you
must
vote
in
person,
somebody's
actually
got
to
see
you
ballot
harvesting
is
prohibited
in
tennessee.
F
If
you're,
a
voter
you're
responsible
for
getting
your
ballot
back
through
the
mail
double
voting
is
prevented.
I
think
chairman
crawford
sponsored
this
bill.
A
few
years
ago,
I'm
pretty
sure
it
was
you,
but
essentially
the
way
that
the
bill
works
is
or
the
law
works.
If
someone
the
moment
that
someone
requests
an
absentee
ballot
and
we
receive
it,
we
mark
that
person
as
voted
so
they're
marked.
F
That
means
when
that
person,
if
they
show
up
on
election
day,
we
flag
them
as
voted,
we
vote
on
provisional
ballot
and
what
what
chairman
crawford
did
he
gave
a
safe
harbor.
The
safe
harbor
is.
If
that
person
shows
up
and
we
flagged
him
as
voted,
they
vote
a
provisional
ballot.
If
we've
not
received
that
absentee
ballot,
then
we
will
count
the
vote.
We
will
count
the
provisional
ballot.
It
doesn't
happen
a
lot,
but
it
does
happen.
We
did
see
a
little
bit
more
of
that
in
2020
than
we
normally
would
see.
F
I
think
it
was
because
the
pandemic
somebody
might
get
sick
and
then
they
got
better
and
they
decided
to
go
ahead
and
go
vote.
Bipartisan
double
lock
boxes,
that's
where
the
ballots
are
stored.
Republicans
have
the
key
to
one
lock.
The
democrats
have
the
key
to
the
other,
lock
they
got
it.
It
takes
both
to
get
in
that
box,
there's
also
a
seal,
that's
placed
on
those
boxes.
If
somebody
sends
in
a
ballot
application
the
signature
doesn't
match,
we
notify
that
voter.
F
F
If
you
have
them,
you
know
if
you're
an
activist
you're
getting
emails,
and
it
depends
on
whether
you're
republican
or
democrat
two
different
types
of
email,
if
you're
a
republican,
you're,
probably
getting
emails,
saying
look
at
all
the
voter
fraud,
that's
happened
and
it's
easy
to
lose
confidence
in
the
the
system.
If
you're
on
the
democrat
side,
you're,
probably
getting
emails,
the
active
is
probably
getting
emails
about
suppression,
but
I
think
when
you
look
at
tennessee's
system,
you'll
see
that
we've
we've
met
the
voter
in
the
middle.
F
So
what
do
tennessee
voters
say
so
I
the
activists
are
going
to
be
loud.
I
know
you're
getting
emails
because
I
get
the
emails
I
get
the
calls,
but
let's
look
so
this
is
an
independent
poll
that
was
just
released
last
week
and
it
was
amazing
how
the
timing
worked
out
for
this
presentation,
because
I
got
it
right
before
it
just
they
did
this
in
january.
F
But,
right
before
this
presentation
and
and
and
someone
told
me
about
it-
and
I
looked
at
it-
and
I'm
like
why
I'll
use
this
for
this
presentation,
so
the
center
for
excellence
in
polling
been
sort
of-
I
guess-
they're
surveying
other
states
as
well,
but
it's
a
project
of
the
foundation
for
government
accountability
and
the
poll
was
conducted
in
tennessee,
registered
voters.
2022.
F
F
Now,
if
anybody
does
have
questions
you
do
get
some
of
these
calls
from
some
folks
that
have
really
been
conditioned
to
think
that
the
system
is
is
so
bad,
but
most
of
the
time
the
calls
I
get
aren't
really
focused
on
tennessee
they're
focused
on
other
states,
but
we
do
have
a
vote
online
and
of
course
you
all
know
us.
Many
of
you
have
my
cell
phone
number.
If
you
don't
I'll,
be
happy
to
give
it
to
you.
F
F
C
Of
course,
all
of
us
know
about
that,
and
right
now,
legislatures,
all
over
the
country
are
passing
legislation
now
and
part
of
that
is
how
do
we
control
and
dictate
to
the
secretaries
of
states
and
to
the
coordinator
of
elections
and
again
you
all
ran
a
very
fair.
I
think
honest
beyond
reproach
elections,
and
I
appreciate
that
my
question
is
at
this
point.
I
have
no
idea
what
election
or
what
legislation
will
be
introduced
by
this
legislature
as
it
relates
to
elections.
F
Certainly
I'll
I'll
be
happy
to
talk
about
some
legislation
that
that
we'll
we'll
be
bringing
forward,
or
at
least
anticipate
we
won't
be
bringing
for
legislators
be
bringing
forward,
but
we've
asked
some
sponsors
to
to
go
forward
and
look
at
one
is
to
enhance
the
auditing
process.
That's
something
we're
interested
in
to
to
make
sure
that
you
know
on
the
local
level
that
folks
can
trust
the
election
results
even
more.
F
We
also
when
you
look
at
what
happened
in
some
other
states,
and
this
is
going
to
sound
bizarre
sitting
here
as
the
coordinator
of
elections
and
secretary
of
state.
But
what
you
did
see
happen
in
some
states.
Is
the
goal
pulse
kept
getting
moved?
The
the
the
the
legislature
said
you
can
do
this,
but
in
many
instances
something
else
was
going
on
in
some
instances
of
consent,
decree
or
you
know,
a
settlement
being
issued
we're
not
always
going
to
be
in
this
seat.
You
know
I
I
know
how
we
are.
F
I
know
what
we
would
do
and
because
we
did
it
in
those
circumstances,
but
we've
been
working
with
some
legislators
that
legislators
to
actually
say
if,
if
there's
a
settlement
agreement
on
behalf
dealing
with
election
laws,
that
the
speaker
of
the
house
and
lieutenant
governor
legislature
at
some
point
need
to
be
consulted
that
that
officials
just
can't
go
out
there
and
do
it
by
themselves.
That's
one
thing
that
we're
looking
at.
I
think
that
would
be
something
you'll
see
debated
and
then
there's
a
few
other
things
that
I
want
to
talk
to.
E
E
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
mr
secretary,
based
on
what
exactly
what
you
said.
You
don't
want
federal
government
to
come
in
and
manage
our
elections.
Yes,
sir.
I
agree
with
that.
In
reference
to
the
state
of
tennessee,
I
would
say
it
may
not
be
necessary,
but
you
got
25
or
30
other
states
out
here
that
it
may
be
definitely
necessary
based
on
the
laws
that
they're
presenting
now.
C
E
Well,
I
certainly
think
that
you
know
I'm
sure
if
you
were
in
other
states
there
are
some
other
states
that
look
at
tennessee
and
say:
well,
I
don't
think
tennessee
got
it
right
and
I
would
dispute
that
and
I
appreciate
your
confidence
in
us.
The
last
thing
I
think
we
need,
frankly,
is
for
any
federal
takeover
of
the
constitutional
right
of
states
to
run
their
elections.
A
A
There
was
the
dominion
software
issue
that
was
running
rampant
nationwide
can
y'all
address
that,
because
I
think
we
have
two
or
three
counties
that
may
use
that
software
currently,
and
can
you
bring
some
confidence
to
people
watching
or
listening
to
this
that
that
doesn't
affect
our
elections
here?
Sure
I'll
be
glad
to.
E
Bark
you
feel
free
to
to
add
in
we
do
have
two
counties
just
so
you're,
not
guessing
it's
williamson,
county
and
hamilton
counties,
hamilton
county's
used
dominion
machines
for
quite
some
time
very
satisfied
by
them
by
the
way
in
the
law.
It
says,
if
you
use
these
optical
scan
machines,
you
have
to
do
an
audit
of
that
count.
The
day
after
the
election,
both
those
counties
did.
The
audit
is
required
by
law.
After
that
election
and
no
anomalies
were
found.
E
You
know
I
I
share.
I
share
people's
concerns
somewhat
regarding
regarding
those
machines
only
because
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
we
give
people
what
they
need
to
know
in
order
to
have
confidence
in
tennessee
elections,
as
you
may,
if
you're
watching
the
news
you
may
be
familiar
with
in
williamson
county
recently,
they
had
a
city
election
in
franklin
and
the
dominion
machines
did
not
perform
as
expected,
but
let's
not
lose
sight
of
this.
There
were
paper
ballots.
E
Those
machines
used
paper
ballots,
they
have
a
verified
paper
audit
trail
and
the
count
was
finally
done,
not
a
recount.
The
the
count
was
finally
done
by
county
and
counting
those
paper
ballots
and
everything
matched
up
like
it
was
supposed
to
match
up
mark.
What
have
I
left
out
on
that?
Yeah,
okay,.
A
E
F
Yeah
and
that's
what
I
was
sharing
with
you
with
chairman
crawford,
that's
part
of
the
legislation
that
y'all
passes
the
general
assembly
as
soon
as
that
request
comes
in
they're
marked
as
voted.
So
in
our
eyes
they
voted
doesn't
mean.
We've
received
their
ballot.
It
means
that
we
think
they
voted.
So
you
may
have
some
individuals
who
show
up,
and
normally
they
don't,
but
for
whatever
reason
in
november-
and
I
think
it's
because
people
are
in
quarantine,
coming
out
of
quarantine
or
or
in
some
instances
they
may
have
been
told,
don't
vote
by
mail.
F
You
know
by
some
news
source
or
whatever
we
did
have
individuals
who
would
show
up.
They
hadn't
sent
their
ballot
in,
they
voted
provisional.
But
when
I
say
I
don't
know
how
to
quantify,
it's
still
a
small
number.
So
in
that
instance,
they
show
up
they're,
told
hey,
we're
showing
you've
requested
an
absentee
ballot.
We
don't
know
whether
that
ballots
come
in,
because
at
the
precinct
we
don't
know
it
could
come
in
by
election
day.
Remember
those
ballots
as
long
as
they're
in
by
election
day,
they're
good,
so
that
person
votes
a
provisional
ballot.
F
E
That
mark
just
said
is
some
people
being
told
about
the
vote
by
mail?
What
he
means
by
that
is,
if
you're,
if
you
think
back
to
the
2020
election
around
september
and
october,
the
united
states
postal
service
came
out
and
said:
hey.
If
we
don't,
if
you
don't
mail,
your
ballot,
you
know
about
10
days
out.
We
can't
guarantee
it's
going
to
get
delivered.
Well,
you
had
all
these
people
out
there
who
got
an
absentee
ballots,
who
all
of
a
sudden
got
concerned
that
oh,
my
gosh,
my
they
can't
guarantee
delivery
of
my
ballot.
F
And
that
that
process
is
a
good
way
to
show
an
example
of
how
you
all
deliberate
on
things.
So
chairman
crawford's,
real
issue
was
that
someone
was
in
another
area
when
they
requested
the
ballot
and
they
came
into
the
county
and
they'd
missed
the
ballot.
So
the
person
didn't
want
to
be
disenfranchised.
If
I
remember
the
facts,
maybe
it's
on
senator
lumber's
side,
but
so
you
had
that
you
wanted
to
help
the
voters.
So
his
initial
thing
is:
I
want
to
make
sure
this
voter
votes
on
the
flip
side.
F
You
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
not
allowing
double
voting,
and
so
that's
why
you
laid
out
the
process
like
you
did
so
it's
kind
of
meeting
in
the
middle.
You
don't
want
to
lose
a
vote
because
of
they're
out.
You
know
they
miss
the
ballot,
but
at
the
same
time
you
don't
want
someone
to
come
in
and
do
something
wrong
and
double
vote.
D
One
one
more
question
I
had
from
someone
wanted:
some
verification
if
we
have
say
a
dre
machine
at
a
county
and
they
don't
have
paper
backup
at
this
time.
How
do
we
verify
if
there
was
a
programming
error
if
there
was
a
mistake
made?
What's
the
process
of
of
checking
the
machines
to
verify
nothing
happened,
mr.
F
So
verification
is
a
number
of
ways,
but
the
first
and
foremost
is
done
at
that
precinct
level.
How
many
about
applications?
Do
you
have?
How
many
votes
do
you
have
cast
at
the
beginning
of
that
morning?
The
election
officials?
That's
there
bipartisan
representation,
they
make
sure
there's
zero
votes,
that's
being
cast
and
on
you
know,
by
printing
an
actual
tally
tape
out
so
you're
from
from
the
beginning
of
the
election
to
the
end.
So
the
beginning,
you
have
the
machine
technicians,
they
test
equipment,
they're
testing,
the
different.
F
You
know,
they're
testing,
each
publicly
publix
invited
if
they
want
so
they're
testing
the
equipment,
but
it
doesn't
stop
there
on
election
day.
There's
a
test,
that's
performed
as
well
and
after
the
results
are
are
done.
Remember
I
shared
with
you.
Those
are
unofficial
results,
so
those
aren't
official
during
that
time.
F
That's
when
a
lot
of
this
verification
is
taking
place,
so
the
administrator
and
folks
in
their
office
they're
going
back
to
make
sure
the
paperwork
adds
up
and
if
there's
a
say,
for
example,
there's
a
hundred
ballots
or
a
hundred
ballot
applications,
but
there's
only
99
votes.
What
happened
to
that?
One
voter,
you
know,
did
they
walk
out
because
they
got
frustrated
because
the
line
or
they
didn't
see
their
candidate
on
there.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
documentation
of
why
that
doesn't
add
up
and
I'll
say
this.
F
You
know,
secretary
harget
talked
about
hamilton
county
earlier
and
in
williamson,
county
hamilton
county
has
actually
gone
a
step
further.
They
actually
bring
in
an
accounting
firm
to
kind
of
go
through
those
process.
Look
at
them
as
well,
but
essentially
it's
a
it's
a
paperwork
issue
making
sure
the
paper
that
is
making
up
that
election
max
match
the
actual
tally.
Tapes.
E
If
I
could
have
one
more
thing
that
chairman's
ask
a
good
question
about
verified
paper
audit
trail,
we
have
been
encouraging
counties
for
the
last
several
years
to
move
toward
a
machine
that
has
that
verified
paper
audit
trail
and
not
because
we
believe
that
there's
any
issue
with
the
dre
machines,
but
frankly
the
marketplace
has
moved
away
from
dres
by
and
large,
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
going
back
and
asking
somebody.
Will
you
sell
me
an
iphone
5.?
I
mean
you
know
you
just
don't.
E
If
you're
going
to
go,
buy
a
phone
you're
not
going
to
go,
buy
an
older
model
and
what
we're
seeing
is
that
fewer
and
fewer
states,
fewer
and
fewer
counties
are
using
the
old
dre
machines,
and
when
that
happens,
you're
going
to
have
vendors
who
quit
servicing
those
you're
going
to
have
a
marketplace.
You
can't
find
parts,
and-
and
so
we
don't
we
frankly,
we
don't
we
the
last
one
last
island
in
the
country.
Looking
at
it
and
people
wondering
why
are
you
using
a
technology?
That's
behind
the
curve.
A
Representative
carr,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
this
is
not
really
a
question.
This
is
a
comment
and
I
don't
know
how
many
people
or
how
many
counties
use
the
the
benefit
of
these
two
gentlemen
sitting
down
here,
but
as
they
know,
after
my
coordinator
of
elections,
he
resigned
to
take
care
of
family
and
then
we
reported
we,
I
mean
we,
the
idea
and
the
commissioners
there
that's
on
the
on
the
board.
A
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
they're
always
there
and
they
will
always
answer
you
talk
to
you.
So
if
you
have
a
problem,
you
just
need
to
call
them,
because
we
were,
we
were
going
to
have
a
problem,
but
they
got
it
straightened
out
and
if
he
wants
to
maybe
resign
or
retire
something
after
this
election,
that's
different,
we'll
go
with
it,
then,
but
so
far
we're
going
to
be
in
good
shape.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
both
for
helping
him
with
that.
Thank
you.
F
Well,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
the
morale
is,
it's
probably
the
it's
down.
I
don't
recall
seeing
morale
like
like
this.
Of
course,
2020
was
just
tough
in
general
for
everybody,
but
it
used
to
be.
I
mean
I
remember
you
know
these.
Are
these
decent
jobs
in
the
county
right
and
so
you
would,
you
would
advertise
you'd
have
20
30
40
people
now
you'll
have
five,
you
know
and
used
to
be
you'd
limit
it.
F
You
know
you'd,
be
narrowing
it
down
to
your
five
best
candidates
and
in
some
instances
somebody
gets
hired
and
they're
like
well.
This
really
isn't
what
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be.
You
know
get
me
out
of
this,
but
you
know.
Obviously
a
bonus
in
pay
is
probably
the
best
way
you
can
appreciate
someone,
but
also
a
good.
Thank
you
from
from
from
now
you
know
from
you
all
would
go
a
long
way.
A
F
I
can't
say
we
didn't
have
any
fraud
we've
we
identified
initially
about
20
names,
so
it's
a
very
small
number
as
we
looked
into
it,
we're
in
the
teens
low
teens
it'd
be
up
to
district
attorney,
whether
they
prosecute
them
or
not,
but
that
you
know,
in
the
scheme
of
things
record,
turnout
in
tennessee
record
number
of
registered
voters.
You
know
three
million
people
voted
and,
as
we
said
here,
you
know
it's
in
the
teens
that
we
we've
identified.
E
If
I
can
just
extrapolate
a
little
bit
on
that,
representative
shaw
is
first
a
lot
of
times.
Let's
say
that
we're
in
the
teens
and
we
share
with
a
district
attorney
that
hey
it
looks
like
sally
sue,
might
have
voted
fraudulently
or
just
not
appropriately
and
not
who
they
voted
for,
but
how
they
voted,
where
they
voted,
etc.
E
That
d.a
may
look
at
it
and
think
gosh.
There
was
no.
There
was
no
race
that
was
even
with
a
thousand
votes
or
a
hunt.
You
know
several
hundred
votes.
Am
I
going
to
spend
my
time
prosecuting
that,
or
am
I
going
to
be
going
after
somebody,
who's
selling,
meth
or
whatever
so
they're,
making
those
decisions
and
that's
up
to
them
to
make
be
real
clear?
They
got
hard
decisions
to
make.
The
second
thing
is
whenever
people
say
well
how
many
cases
of
voter
fraud
did.
E
I
personally
believe
that
we
don't
have
a
rampant
voter
for
all
problem,
but
we
have.
We
don't
have
a
voter
fraud
problem
in
tennessee
because
of
the
safeguards
this
legislature
has
passed
that
has
given
given
us
and
local
election
officials
and
law
enforcement
officials,
so
many
arrows
in
the
quiver
to
make
sure
that
we
still
make
tennessee
a
place
where
it's
easier
than
ever
to
vote.
But
it's
hard
to
cheat.
F
Yeah,
I
didn't
even
mention
photo
id.
Obviously
that's
a
that's!
A
big
deterrent,
the
heritage
foundation
ranks
us
third
in
the
entire
nation.
If,
if
they
would
have
taken
how
we
conduct
the
election
in
2020,
we
would
have
been
either
number
two
or
number
one.
You
know
looking
at
the
laws
that
you
all
had
passed
so
an
entire
nation,
that's
where
we
rank
as
far
as
voter
security.
F
What
you
don't
know
on
this
committee,
what
I
do
know
is
there
was
an
issue,
probably
2010
2000.
In
your
district
there
was
a
person
who
actually
had
gone
out
and
encouraged
ineligible
voters
to
register
and
representative
shaw.
Helped
us
tremendously
eradicate
that
issue.
There
was
a
voter
fraud
conviction.
F
The
person
continued
to
try
to
do
that
and
representative
shaw
passed
some
legislation
to
curb
that.
So
I
commend
you,
but
certainly
things
have
gotten
a
lot
better
post
photo
id
before
pre-photo
id.
You
guys,
don't
know
that
see.
I
know
what
happens
in
various
counties,
and
I
know
when
he's
asking
that
question.
He
he's
thinking
of
a
local
person
who
had
convinced
other
people
to
do
something
they
shouldn't
do
or
and
and
there's
several
convictions
down
there
in
that
area.
A
F
F
F
You
know
it
that
it
would
be
very
difficult,
like
I
say,
voter
fraud
can't
happen,
but
under
the
existing
laws,
where
we
are
right
now
and
it
kind
of
gets
where
ripped
into
miller
was
when
you're
asking
a
lot
of
changes.
I
don't
know
that
y'all
need
to
be
changing
a
lot.
I
mean
look
at
us,
I
think
kind
of
a
model
and
that
model
plays
into
the
fact
that
that
you
should
be
secure
in
your
vote,
and
you
know
I
think,
the
local
gatekeepers.
F
You
know
when
you
go
vote,
and
this
is
it's
troubling,
sometimes
because
we,
because
we
don't
have
pole
fish
in
one
area
and
we
have
to
move
poll
officials
in
one
area
to
another
area,
but
most
of
the
time
those
poll
officials
want
to
work
in
their
community
and
many
times
it's
because
they're
retired,
and
so
when
you
go
in
you're.
Seeing
your
old
teacher,
or
whatever
I
mean
that
that's
really
who's,
instilling
the
integrity
as
well.
E
Real
strength
there,
chairman,
is
that
the
bipartisan
nature
of
how
we
conduct
these
elections
from
all
the
way
through
the
process
from
registration
through
program,
the
machines
to
the
actual
administration
elections
on
election
day
and
or
early
voting
through
election
day
and
the
counting
of
the
votes
at
the
end.
That
is
a
real
strength
that
should
give
you
confidence
in
tennessee's
elections.
A
F
The
the
photo
id
is
for
verification
purposes.
That's
to
verify
that
when
someone
comes
in
you
know
if
they
say
they're
mark
goins,
we're
going
to
look
and
make
sure
you're
not
more
going.
You
know
that
you
are
mark
goins
that
you're,
not
somebody.
That's
impersonating
him!
That's
really
the
the
background.
The
photo
id.
A
E
E
I
want
you
to
think
about
on
election
day
everybody
going
to
vote
on
election
day,
and
especially
this
year,
where
we
have
our
longest
ballot,
that
we
have
every
eight
years
and
everybody
is
spilling
out,
bubbling
those
bubbles
on
that
that
scan,
trying
machine
and
thinking
about
the
time
that
that
takes
and
everybody
bubbling
in
exactly
like
they
ought
to.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
real
concerns
with
hand
market
balance.
I
don't
have
a
concern
about
the
integrity
of
either
the
ballot
marketing
devices
or
the
handmark
paper
ballots.
E
I
do
think
what
you
will
see
is
most
citizens
would
rather
be
able
to
go
up,
touch
a
button
and
have
that
machine
fill
out
their
ballot
for
them,
based
on
the
instructions
that
they've
given
it.
I
think
people's
patience
on
election
day
will
wear
very
thin
very
quickly
if
they
are
standing
in
line
behind
somebody
who
is
bubbling
here.
Oh
no,
no,
no!
No
made
a
mistake.
E
Did
I
erase
that
good
enough?
I'm
not
sure
if
I
erased
that
good
enough,
let
me
go
back
in
and
keep
erasing
some
more
and
and
then
you
start
getting
into
people
not
doing
it
correctly.
You
know
putting
a
check
mark.
Do
you
put
you
know,
putting
an
x
a
little
dimple
things
like
that.
So
I
think
from
my
concern
is
that
with
a
hammer
or
paper
ballot
and
by
the
way
not
concerned
about
the
integrity
of
it,
but
I
do
have
somewhat
of
a
consent,
a
concern
about.
E
F
If
you
have
hammer
paper
ballads,
you
can
imagine
particularly
for
shelby
county
hundreds
of
ballot
styles
and
so
you're,
relying
on
that
person
to
get
the
right
ballot.
So
sometimes
there
can
be
ballot
confusion,
not
not
integrity
in
the
system.
It's
literally
making
them
a
mistake
because
you're
looking
at
at
200
ballots,
hamilton
county
prefers
handmark
paper
ballots,
but
it
has.
It
has
hurt
them
somewhat
in
expanding
the
early
voting
sides.
F
So,
whereas
shelby
county
has
about
20
something
early
voting
sites,
hamilton
county
has
fewer
sides
now
they've
recently
gone
to
ballot
on
demand,
which
will
help
and
so
they're
starting
to
expand
the
early
voting
sites
in
in
hamilton
county.
But
there
is
a
huge
administrative
advantage
to
have
a
ballot
marking
device,
particularly
if
you
are
a
vote
center
county,
a
vote
center
county
means
on
election
day.
F
You
don't
you're,
not
tied
into
your
precinct.
You
can
vote
at
any
of
those
centers,
so
it
doesn't
matter
where
I
live
in
that
county.
I
can
vote
you
can
imagine
a
vote
center
trying
to
have
all
these
different
ballot
styles
and-
and
you
got
multiple-
you
know
you
got-
is
you
know
you
can
kind
of
contain
it
with
early
voting
sites,
keeping
them
limited
with
vote?
Simmers,
you've,
voters
you've
expanded
quite
a
bit
from
a
practical
standpoint
and
pri.
F
F
If
you're
in
hamilton
county,
then
you're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
how
you
can
run
that
election
without
having
as
many
early
voting
sites
and
contain
any
any
mistakes
that
you've
done,
I
mean
you
can
do
the
thing
that
hamilton
county
has
going.
Their
way
is
they've
just
done
it
for
so
long.
So
that's
an
advantage.
There.
E
F
And
I
don't
so
there's
five
vendors
but
multiple
systems,
so
one
vendor
may
have
a
hand
mark
paper
ballot
system
as
well
as
a
ballot
marking.
So
there's
multiple
systems
there's
more
systems
than
than
five,
but
there's
five
different
vendors.
So
I
don't
wanna,
I
don't.
I
don't
wanna
speak
incorrectly
on
that
and
I
don't
wanna
confuse
folks
either.
There
is
another
system,
that's
very
popular
about
40
over
40
counties
have
it's
a
micro
vote
system.
F
It
is
a
dre,
but
it's
not
a
paper
ballot
where
somebody's
marking
it
or
a
device
is
marking
it.
It's
a
receipt,
that's
under
a
glass,
and
so,
as
I
vote
simultaneous
with
my
vote,
I
can
see
so
you
know
if
I
see
that
in
my
if
I
vote
for
once
again
I'll
use
myself
an
example
mark
goins,
I'm
going
to
see
more
goings
gets
a
little
tricky
when
I
cancel
that
vote,
because
it
has
to
go
back
up
and
cancel
it
out,
but
it
will
do
that
so
say
so.
F
Then
I
said:
why
did
you
really
didn't
want
to
vote
for
mark?
But
that's
the
microvote
system
they've
got
that
certified
in
tennessee
and
that's
something
they're
marketing
as
well.
That
also
provides
a
paper
audit
trail
that
someone
can
can
go
back
and
view.
A
micro
vote
is
very
popular
because
of
the
service
that
they
provide
that.
Typically,
if
you
are
in
a
a
county,
that's
at
microphone.
You
know
the
person
is
providing
the
service
for
you,
some
of
the
larger
companies.
F
F
So
machine
technician-
and
this
is
once
again
built
in
the
bipartisan
process
that
you
all
have
on
the
local
election
commission,
which
all
play
a
part
in
appointing
those
local
election
commissioners
they
get
to
choose
who
the
technicians
are
and
democrats
get
to
choose
who
they
want.
Republicans
can't
trump
that
they
can't
they
can't
say.
Well,
we
don't
like
that
person
unless
there's
something
in
their
background.
F
You
know
some
some
cause
republicans
get
to
choose
who
they
want,
and
the
democrats
can't
come
in
and
say:
well
we
don't
like
this
person
or
you
know
whatever
the
case
may
be,
so
it's
it's.
It's
realistically
down
to
the
local
election
commission.
Your
larger
counties
hire
typically
hire
somebody
full-time
and
so
it's
consistent
training,
but
they
got
a
lot
more
machines
to
to
to
look
after
a
lot
of
your
smaller
counties.
Do
not,
and
so
they
have
to
go
through
to
various
training,
to
to
do
that.
F
F
But
currently
it's
just
it's
the
process
that
we
have
and
the
testing
and
you
do
need
to
have
robust
testing,
and
it
is
something
we
continually
look
at
to
to
make
sure
we're
getting
the
right
testing
to
make
sure
that
the
test
decks.
We
call
them
test
decks
accurately
reflect
how
those
votes
are
being
cast.
E
So,
to
be
clear,
before
the
election,
publicly
republican,
those
republican
and
democrat
machine
techs
test
those
machines,
they're
they're,
going
through
and
making
sure
okay,
I
had
a
vote
for
holdsclaw
and
I
had
to
vote
for
calpe
and
I
had
a
vote
for
manus
and
we
know
that's
what
we
pushed
and
yes,
these
machines
are
calibrated
appropriately
and
democrats
republicans
do
that
together
and
do
that
to
the
do
that
with
machines
throughout
the
process
that
help.
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
kind
comments.
Also.
A
F
A
F
Well,
so
the
and
let
me
clarify
ncla,
we
do
get
that
once
a
year,
so
nco
the
national
change
of
address.
We
get
that
if,
if
someone
registers
to
vote
in
another
state,
I
mean
another
county
and
we
get
that,
then
that
person
can
be
removed.
So
if
my
example
from
campbell
county
to
davidson
county,
we
get
that
information.
So
as
soon
as
our
restaurant
davidson
county,
that
information
comes
to
us
and
we
send
it
back
out
to
campbell
county
campbell
county
is
authorized
to
purge
me
before
the
election.
F
If
we
find
out
that
person
died
before
the
election,
you
can
remove
that
individual.
That
person
is
convicted
of
a
felony
we
can
remove
them.
Change
of
address
is
a
little
different
like
if
you're
getting
it
from
the
national
change
of
address
it's
very
specific,
under
federal
law
and
and
and
state
law
mirrors
federal
law.
We
do
have
to
go
through
that
confirmation
process
and
you
have
to
do
that
90
days
before
the
election.
F
So
if
you're
doing
something
that
could
comprehensively
remove
a
lot
of
individuals-
and
you
can't
you
can't
prove
for
a
fact
that
they're
ineligible-
you
can't
do
that
90
days
before
and
that's
not
exactly
the
level
of
the
law,
but
that's
what
the
law
essentially
says:
I'm
summarizing
it,
but
if
someone
dies
yeah
we
can
remove
them
soon.
As
we
get
noticed.
If
someone
moves
and
and
and
that's
the
thing
that
triggers
it,
we
got
the
full
social
security
number.
So
as
soon
as
our
restaurant
davidson
county,
we
get
that
information.
E
That
also
doesn't
take
into
account,
though,
at
the
local
level.
You
know
your
election
administrator
or
somebody
election
commission
works
in
an
office
too.
They
read
the
papers,
they
know
who
passes
away.
They
know
different
things
too,
so
you
know
they're
always
looking
for
things
like
that
and
making
sure
that
they
keep
the
roles
clean.
A
Follow-Up,
yes,
as
secretary
knows,
he
and
I
share
in
the
fact
that
our
kids
are
off
to
college
now
and
so
there's
always
this
discussion.
Should
you
get
an
absentee
ballot
or
should
you
not
can,
should
they
mail
them
or
can
they
deliver
them
at
home?
I
this
is
a
an
answer
that
sometimes
evades
me.
So
if
my
son
were
to
get
an
absentee
ballot
sent
to
him
in
school,
he
has
to
mail
it
or
hand
deliver
himself.
A
D
My
real
question
here
is:
this:
is
how
much
resistance
do
you
get
from
the
local
election
commissions
and
administrators
when
you
want
to
have
new
technology
or
want
to
make
changes?
And
what's
your
general
feeling,
if
we,
if
we
make
reforms
in
the
future,
how
how
hard
that's
going
to
be
to
implement.
F
F
F
Chain
of
custody
can
become
more
of
an
issue,
but
then
you
do
have
the
verification
issue.
So
you
know
that
administratively,
though
I
get
why
the
administrators
would
prefer
to
keep
utilizing
dres
and,
like
I
said
you
are
a
microvote
county
and
and
I'm
not
promoting
one
vendor,
because
frankly
I
could
I
could.
I
could
do
the
pros
and
cons
of
both
and
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
every
single
vendor,
but
particularly
with
that
vendor
that
the
services
doesn't
have
as
many
bells
and
whistles.
But
the
service
is
is
probably
strong.
F
E
E
You
don't
know
the
budget
I
have
and,
and
so
my
my
belief
is,
there
was
strength
in
us
having
multiple
vendors
out
there,
who
competed
with
one
another
and
and
that
way
I
couldn't
have
one
company
just
decide
one
day
that
they
could
leave
me.
You
know
they
could
have
me
over
a
barrel
on
election
night.
D
One
one
thing
that
we're
working
on
now
to
let
the
members
know-
and
I
don't
know
if
my
assistant's
called
you
yet
we're
we're
looking
at
doing
either
through
the
vendor
participation
itself
or
through
maybe
having
counties,
bring
a
system
here
on
the
eighth
floor
a
few
years
ago,
we
did
the
vendors
you
had
them
over
at
war
memorial
auditorium,
but
that
was
a
long
walk
and,
depending
on
the
weather,
people
always
go
there.
We
were
trying
to
get
the
possibility
of
every
voting
machine.
D
So
all
the
members
could
come
by
and
look
at
all
the
machines
we
use
and
touch
them
and
feel
them,
and
maybe
even
ask
some
of
the
local
election
administrators
or
election
commissions,
how
they
like
the
machines
and
why
they
like
them
and
people
can
ask
questions,
that's
something
we're
just
beginning
the
process
of
and
if
you
think
it's
a
possibility,
we
could
do
that
before.
May
I
think
it
would
help
everyone
well
we're.
E
Interested
in
that,
we
believe
that
the
more
you
know
about
these
processes
and
these
machines
that
the
more
confidence
you
have
and
the
more
confidence
that
you
have
that
goes
back
to
your
respective
districts.
So
you
can
you
can
best
explain
here's
what
I've
seen!
Here's,
what
I
know
instead
of
you,
know,
watching
something
on
youtube
and
hoping
it's
right.
F
Yeah
we
secretary
harget
actually
wanted
to
do
that
last
year
again,
but
we
were
concerned
with
covid,
you
know
and
social
editing
and
those
things.
So
I
think
that
would
be
it's
definitely
something
I'm
interested
in.
We
might
have
to
work
with
the
counties
somewhat,
because
many
of
them
have
a
primary
and
those
that
don't
they
are
working
on
redistricting,
which
is
a
very
tight
deadline,
because
we
start
issuing
petitions
february
the
7th,
but
I'm
certainly
interested
in
it.
A
C
E
That's
not
that's
not
what
I
meant.
What
I
meant
is
that
let's
say
that
let's
say
that
mark
and
I
tried
to
change
how
we
conduct
elections
in
tennessee
outside
of
the
confines
of
tennessee
law,
and
if
this
body,
you
know
what
we,
what
we
contemplate
is
a
mechanism
by
which
this
body,
if
they
saw
us
doing
that,
could
become
party
to
a
lawsuit
to
frankly,
keep
us
from
circumventing
you.
Okay
right
that.
So
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that
clarify
that.
E
Well,
link
the
contracts
I
mean
honestly
is
going
to
vary
based
on
the
county
and
what
they
negotiate
with
those
respective
vendors,
because
those
counties
are
the
ones
making
that
decision,
but
the
county
will
issue
an
rfp
make
a
decision
who
they
want.
They
we
give
them
a
set
amount
of
or
help
the
help
america
vote
act.
Funds
have
been
appropriated
to
us
from
from
congress
and
and
based
on
the
number
of
precincts
number
of
voters,
etc
in
that
county,
we'll
pay
for
a
portion
of
those
machines.
F
This
is
again
where
I
know
the
counties,
so
shelby
county
has
actually
done
an
rfp
it's
over
a
year
old.
They
awarded
a
contract,
but
the
county
commission
that
is
senator,
I
mean
rips
into
leatherwood.
So
that's
that's
unique.
What
shelby
county
is
in
right
now,
typically,
the
the
county
election
commission
uses
the
equipment
and
the
county
commission
signs
off
down
there.
The
county
commission
says
we
want
handmarked.
F
E
A
Seeing
no
more
questions,
let
me
take
a
moment
just
to
thank
you
guys
for
coming
great
presentation.
Thank
you
for
taking
time
out
of
your
day
to
answer
our
questions,
and
I
hope
everyone
will
leave
this
committee
today,
a
little
smarter
and
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
with
our
elections
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
But
we
truly
do
appreciate
your
all's
hard
work.
Your
concern-
and
you
were
talking
about
thanking
a
poll
worker
today.
Today's
national
poll
worker
day
make
sure
to
do
that.
But
I
have
to
brag
on
my
election,
commissioner,
back
home
jason
boeher
he's
the
best
in
the
state
and
I'm
a
little
partial,
but
he's
the
best
in
the
state,
and
he
does
a
great
job.
So
thank
you
guys
once
again
for
being
with
us
appreciate.
A
A
A
B
B
B
If
your
committee
would
be
inclined
to
adopt
the
amendment
in
this
bill,
it
would
allow
them
to
increase
her
pay
after
you
all
vote
on.
It
has
to
go
back
and
be
voted
again,
but
it
would
allow
them
to
also
raise
the
litigation
tax
just
enough
to
cover
the
increase
of
her
salary.
So
that's
what
the
amendment
in
the
bill
does.
Mr
chairman
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
B
B
Typically,
it's
my
understanding.
General
sessions.
Judges
are
all
part-time
in
the
state
of
tennessee
in
at
least
a
number
of
counties,
at
least
in
my
county
and
all
I
believe,
all
the
counties
in
my
district
so
but
judge
snyder
does
general
juvenile
court
family
court's
general
session
civil.
She
works
at
least
five
days
a
week
being
general
assess
the
judge
and
is
only
paid
at
the
highest
rate
for
a
part-time
judge
in
tennessee.
Is
my
understanding
follow.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
sir,
this
vote
by
the
committee,
if
this
bill
is
approved
and
passed
by
the
general
assembly,
would
give
the
authority
to
henry
county
commission
to
go
back
and
vote
by
two-thirds.
If
all
the
county
commission
members
by
two-thirds,
wants
to
increase,
judge
schneider's
salary
to
that
of
a
full-time
judge
by
two-thirds
vote,
they
could
do
it
and
it
would
allow
them
to
increase
the
litigation
tax
over
the
six
dollar
limit
only
to
sufficient
to
cover
the
increase.
A
C
C
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It
would
effective
september
1st
2022
the
annual
salary
of
the
general
sessions.
Judge
of
henry
county
is
set
an
amount
equal
to
the
annual
salary
by
circuit
court,
judges
and
chancellors.
So
by
passing
this,
if,
if
y'all
pass
it
and
af,
if
the
henry
county
commission
votes
by
two-thirds
to
do
it,
it
would
increase
the
pay
for
that
position
equal
to
a
circuit
or
chancery
judge.
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
The
the
the
the
mechanism
by
which
you
want
to
raise
this
additional
revenue,
however,
is
not
by
general
fund
balance.
There,
though,
the
resolution
that
you
just
read
to
us,
thankfully,
doesn't
say
anything
about
raising
the
rate.
I
guess
my
question
is:
are
you
certain
relatively
certain
that
the
county
commission
there
would
want
to
raise
its
local
communities
taxes
or
or
through
the
courts
in
order
to
pay
for
this
increase?
Representative
griffey.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
apologize.
I
I
read
the
part
I
thought
that
was
addressing
your
question
directly.
The
very
last
paragraph
says
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
general
assembly
is
requesting
to
include
in
house
bill
1625
a
provision
consistent
with
tennessee
code,
annotated,
16-15-500,
allowing
the
henry
county
commission
to
set
a
county
litigation
tax
exceeding
six
dollars
per
civil
case
and
criminal
conviction
up
to
the
amount
necessary
to
find
to
fund
the
henry
county
general,
such
as
judge
compensation
mandated
by
house
bill
1625
or
any
prior
subsequent
private
act.
Chairman.
A
B
Griffey,
I
hope
I
don't.
This
would
be
my
best
estimate,
I
believe,
judge
schneider's
been
in
there
at
least
14
years.
She
is
going
to
run
for
re-election.
It's
my
understanding,
she's
not
going
to
be
opposed
by
anybody.
At
least
I'm
not
aware
of
anybody
going
to
run
against
her
and
she
is
highly
qualified.
She
was
considered
by
the
governor
for
appointment
to
the
civil
appeals,
court
and
supreme
court.
Excuse
excuse
me,
so
she
is
very
well
respected.
A
A
Is
the
house
members
responsibility
to
get
that
pass
and
take
it
back
and
they
vote
two-thirds
again,
that's
their
local
government
and
they
are
the
governing
body
of
that
local
government
and
I
think,
if
that's
what
they
want,
you
know
I
I
don't
know
very
much
what
else
we
should
do
but
give
them
that
permission
if
they
voted
it
two-thirds
and
send
it
to
us.
I
may
maybe
I'm
missing
something
in
this
resolution,
but
that's
where
I
think
it
works
is
and
we
send
it
back
to
them.
B
My
question
it,
I
believe,
when
we
did
the
initial
draft
of
the
bill,
it
did
not
have
the
language
on
the
litigation
tax
in
there.
So
that's
why
we
did
the
litigation
tax
increase
by
amendment.
So
for
this
to
be
effective
and
do
what
we
want.
I
would
urge
the
committee
to
adopt
the
amendment
to
the
bill
and
then
pass
the
bill
as
amended.
If
that.
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chairman
carr.
Thank
you
chairman.
My
only
question
would
be
would
if
we
go
back
and
they
do
this
by
two-thirds
vote,
are
they
going
to
do
this
mid-term
or
they're,
going
to
wait
till
the
next
election
and
that's
usually
what
the
cycles
is.
Your
raises
go
up
in
the
cycle
of
election,
and
that
was
my
question.
Do
you
know,
mr
sponsor
representative,
griffey.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
know
when
the
county
would
pick
this
up.
My
guess
is
probably
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
county
commission
after
they,
you
know,
put
out
the
agenda,
put
it
on
the
agenda
and
it
comes
before
the
county
commission
for
a
vote.
I
I
don't
know
when
that'll
fall
out
within
the
next
couple
of
months
or
not
depends
on
if
it
if
it
passes
the
house
and
and
the
senate
here
and
when
it
gets
signed
by
the
governor.