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House Local Government Committee- March 29, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Good
afternoon,
everyone
today
is
tuesday
march
the
29th
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
full
local
government
committee
meeting
to
order.
Madam
clerk,
will
you
please
take
the
role.
A
Let
the
record
reflect
that
representative
miller
is
excused.
Do
any
of
the
members
have
any
announcements
or
personal
orders
seeing
none?
The
chairman
will
take
privilege.
I
have
the
president
of
our
local
republicans
of
kingsport
club,
but
better
than
that
I
have
my
wife
with
me
here
today.
Will
you
please,
mr
phillips.
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Yeah
I'll
be
nice.
Today,
I've
got.
I
got
a
bill
coming
up
in
finance.
I
needed
some
help
on
so
we
got
23
bills
today,
some
of
them's
going
to
be
rolled,
but
that's
our
agenda.
We
have
not
announced
last
calendar
yet
so,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
do
that
next
week.
So
if
you've
got
bills
in
election
subcommittee,
you
need
to
get
them
rolling
because
we're
getting
ready
to
shut
this
thing
down
all
right.
We're
ready
to
get
started
on
item
number
one
house
bill.
2907.
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Item
number
two
is
chairman:
whitson
as
well
house
bill
1201
without
objection,
we'll
roll
this
to
the
hill.
A
Our
next
item
we're
going
to
take
out
of
order.
I
have
a
chairman,
that's
with
us,
and
we
need
to
get
him
out,
so
he
can
take
care
of
his
committee
at
this
time.
I'll
recognize
chairman
boyd,
which
will
be
item
number
eight
got
a
proper
motion
in
second
house
bill.
2905
doesn't
have
an
amendment,
so
you're
recognized
on
your
bill.
Thank.
C
You,
mr
chairman
and
committee
house,
bill
2905
is
a
private
act
for
one
of
the
school
districts
in
wilson,
county,
it's
11
and
special
school
district,
and
I'm
not
sure
why
they
would
want
to
do
this,
but
they
currently
have
elections
every
six
years
and
they
would
like
to
reduce
that
to
four
years
and
I
I
don't
understand
I
I'd
like
to
take
those
two
years
and
use
them
as
a
state
rep.
But
but
that
is
at
their
request,
and
so
I'm
honoring
that
mr
chairman
I'll,
take
any
questions.
Let.
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E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
members
with
this
amendment.
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We
are
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
with
this
amendment,
mr
chairman.
What
we're
doing
is
authorizing
election
commissioners
to
allow
people
to
use
the
restroom
not
mandating
that
they
have
to,
but
if
the
facility
have
a
restroom
that
volunteers
work
in
the
polls
could
actually
use
the
restroom.
That's
what
the
amendment
does.
A
You've
heard
the
response
from
the
sponsor
on
the
amendment
representative,
gant
leader,
gant
you're,
recognized.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
leader,
would
this
not
create
people
being
in
the
voting
area
that
does
not
need
to
be
in
the
voting
area.
E
Thank
you,
chairman,
no
leader.
What
this
does
is
you
have
volunteers,
that's
out
working
the
polls
and
when
they
go
in
right
now,
what
they
have
to
do
is
leave
all
their
political
stuff
outside,
take
their
political
shirt
off,
put
on
a
jacket
and
go
in
and
use
it
and
to
use
the
restroom.
No,
so
all
the
political
stuff
is
left
outside
the
100
foot
mark
leader.
C
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
see
that
being
the
case.
I
think
that
the
local
commissioners
and
the
judges
and
everybody
that's
on
site.
If
that's
the
case,
they
still
have
the
ability
to
not
authorize
it.
So
it's
really
permissive.
E
So
if
where
the
restroom
is
is
going
to
cause
somebody
to
go
straight
through
like
that,
then
they
don't
have
to
allow
people
to
use
the
restroom.
I'm
saying
that
there
are
places.
For
instance,
there
are
auditoriums.
There
are
gyms.
There
are
churches
that
have
facilities
that
are
away
from
where
the
voting
is
actually
taking
place
and
people
can
go
and
use
the
restroom
and
never
enter
into
it's
a
whole
another
door
authorizing
those
people
to
let
people
use
the
restroom.
E
C
E
You,
mr
chairman,
so
there
was
a
time
where
people
could
just
go
use
the
bathroom
and
people
would
just
go
use
and
they
would
leave
the
literature
out.
They
would
take
their
shirts
off
and
they
would
go
in
and
use
the
restroom.
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C
E
Your
camper,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
No
they
have
to
go
back
home
or
go
to
gas
station
somewhere
nearby
yeah.
They
don't
want
to
come
in
using
it
leader.
C
E
I
think
the
old
law
that's
on
the
books,
which
was
something
that
they
cited,
is
something
as
a
reason
to
not
allow
people
go.
So
I
don't
think
it's
creating
anything
new.
I
think
it's
just
amending.
What's
there
that
will
authorize
locals
to
or
make
it
permissive
really
if
they
will
allow
people
to
use
the
restaurant.
C
C
He
was
the
judge
or
whatever
the
title
was,
and
it
was.
We
voted
in
what
had
been
a
a
county
school
building
at
one
time
and
then
converted
into
a
community
center.
It
had
a
long
haul
and
I
remember
people
having
to
fight
their
way
down
the
hall
to
get
in
to
vote
and
the
100-foot
marker
was
one
of
the
best
things
it
was
ever
done
to
keep
people
away.
C
Although
I've
got
two
precincts
which
I
don't
have
after
november,
but
I
can't
even
get
on
the
property,
but
I
just
think
this
is
causing
a
will
cause
a
turmoil
and
telemarketer.
I'm
glad
they
tell
you.
So
I
don't
have
to
answer
sorry
about
that.
You're
fine,
but
I
just
I.
I
can't
support
your
bill.
I
know
you've
got
good
intention,
but
I
don't
see
us
go
back
to
the
fighting
your
way
through
and
so
I'll
be
voting.
No
chairman.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
leader
camper.
I
I
don't
know
this
is
one
thing
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
and
maybe
maybe
it's
more
of
a
problem
in
rural.
I
can't
say
that
you
know
completely,
but
the
it
was.
It
was
pointed
out
to
me
that
in
some
of
these
locations,
like
you
said
there
were
people
coming
in
from
the
outside
and
they
would
sometimes
not
leave
and
stationed
themselves
behind
the
registrar
and
then
so.
C
The
the
person
that
was
the
judge
was
having
some
issues
with
outside
and
then
this
is
going
on
and
then
they
come
back
and
have
to
take
care
of
that
one.
So
I
think,
like
was
pointed
out,
maybe
in
the
when
we
hope
people
we
want
them
to
come
and
vote
and
all
and
have
a
good
turnout,
but
it
can
get
very,
very
confusing
and
just
just
a
lot
of
opportunity.
I
think
that
maybe
I
don't
think
you're
intending
that
at
all.
C
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
because
I've
been
out
there
working
and
volunteering
and
you
do
have
to
leave
usually,
but
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
concern
that
had
been
shared
with
me
about
it.
It
did
open
the
door
for
people
to
try
to
come
in
and
and
maybe
look
to
see
who
had
voted
or
not
and
before
going
out.
So
just
I
I
I'm
struggling
to
vote
for
this.
Thank
you,
chairman
williams,.
F
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
leader.
I've.
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
hear
this
bill
and
subcommittee,
and
when
I
was
in
there,
I
felt
like
it
was
not
a
big,
great
concern.
Of
course
you
and
I
spoke
over
the
weekend
last
weekend
and
I
heard
from
my
local
election
office,
and
we
had
a
great
discussion
about
it.
F
Of
course,
when
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
serving
the
42nd
district
for
several
years
and
then
got
to
work
in
the
precincts
trying
to
get
people's
votes
as
well,
and
it
seems
like
the
the
burden
that
we
put
on
election
elections
in
order
to
administer
these
elections
is
far
greater
than
just
encouraging
our
volunteers
or
staff
members
that
are
there
to
help
work
on
our
campaigns
to
to
go
support
their
local
business
and
and
and
you
utilize,
the
restroom
there,
my
fel
there
was
some
concern
that
by
opening
or
having
to
designate
this
place,
that
you
would
have
this
opportunity
for
people
to
cross
paths
and
impact
the
vote,
and
so
for
that
reason
I'm
not
going
to
be
supportive
bill
in
this
committee.
D
G
D
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
I
hear
the
concerns
of
my
colleagues
and
I
want
to
lift
up
the
fact
that
present
day
non-campaign
workers
can
do
everything
that
we're
fearing
that
campaign
workers
will
do,
and
I
don't
know
your
experience
leader
kemper,
but
when
I
ask
people
to
volunteer
for
my
campaign
to
hold
a
sign
out
there.
D
These
are
people
that
I
trust,
because
I
know
that
if
they're
out
there
they
represent
me,
that's
right
and
whatever
actions
they
take
is
gonna,
be
a
reflection
on
my
campaign
and
I
surely
don't
want
to
be
cited
by
the
election
commission.
So
I
I
would
hope
that
that
members
would
think
about
that.
That.
D
We
have
to
have
a
glass
half
full
mindset.
Sometimes
we
can't
always
think
about
what
are
going
to
be
the
possible
negative
ramifications,
because
if
you
do
that,
will
an
infinite
item
think
about
what
could
all
go
wrong
with
all
our
bills?
And
so
again
this
is
permissive
correct.
It.
D
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C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
just
a
point
of
clarification,
a
person
who
isn't
volunteering
to
work
on
a
campaign
if
they
have
already
voted,
really
has
no
place
within
the
100
foot
line.
I
just
I'm
just
making
a
request
illegal
as
whether
or
not
that's
that's
feeling
is
correct.
If
you've
already
voted
in
the
election,
should
you
be
in
the
polling
place
within
the
100-foot
line.
A
H
H
I
think
that
fix
it
and
at
the
same
time
it
gives
the
public
of
the
people
who
are
working
on
the
campaign
an
opportunity
to
go
to
the
first
people
do
need
to
go
to
the
bathroom.
I
mean
they
really
do
if
you
think
about
a
whole
day,
working
even
eight
hours,
you
need
to
have
access
to
a
restroom,
but
in
my
opinion
I
I
think
we
could
fix
it.
H
If
we
put
an
amendment
on
it
and
put
the
responsibility
on
the
on
the
campaign
itself,
because
it's
not
fair
for
me
to
ask
someone
to
work
for
me
eight
hours
and
they
don't
have
a
place
to
go
to
the
bathroom.
It's
really
not
fair
for
me
to
do
that.
So
leader
kelp.
I
guess
to
you.
If
I
may
ask
you,
would
you
consider
maybe
a
roll
and
put
some
kind
of
amendment
on
it
to
make
sure
that
everybody
was
protected,
so
nobody
could
cheat.
E
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Hb
2906
is
a
local
bill
for
the
town
of
petersburg
in
lincoln
county.
It
reduces
the
number
of
aldermen
from
seven
to
five
and
reduces
the
number
of
readings
required
to
pass
an
ordinance
from
three
to
two
and
the
alderman
can
prick
from
one
of
their
five
person
to
be
the
mayor.
C
A
A
D
A
Is
correct?
We
got
a
proper
motion
in
second
on.
The
amendment
looks
like
the
amendment
makes
the
bill.
It
does
committee
without
objection,
we'll
go
ahead
and
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill
to
be
discussed.
All
in
favor
of
amendment
number
15980
going
on
the
bill,
please
say:
aye
opposed
no
bill
is
now
amended.
Chairman
farmer,
you're
recognized
on
your
bills,
amended
hey.
D
Thank
you,
members,
and,
and
we
have
a
unique
situation
this
year,
there's
two
vacancies
on
the
criminal
court
of
criminal
appeals
and
then
one
on
the
court
of
appeals
and
there's
no
mechanism
mechanism
in
the
law
for
a
judge
who
is
currently
already
running
in
a
in
the
may
primary.
There.
C
That
they
be
removed
and
be
appointed.
D
To
the
quarter,
criminal,
appeals
or
court
of
appeals
and
allow
for
them
to
then
be
replaced
by
a
another
candidate.
So
what
this
does
is
just
loosens
up
and
allows
for
this
to
happen.
This
is
kind
of
a,
I
think,
a
unique
situation.
I
don't
know
that
we
really
ran
into
it
before,
but
this
would
allow
for
a
mechanism
to
allow
for
the
governor
to
vet
and
then
appoint
for
those
replacements
on
the
quarter,
criminal
appeals
and
court
of
appeals
and
then
for
replacement
to
be
allowed
to
run
in
the
in
the
primary
elections.
A
A
A
Is
correct?
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
the
amendment
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
I
do
see
that
it
re-writes
the
bill
without
objection,
we'll
go
ahead
and
put
the
amendment
on
the
bill
to
be
discussed.
All
in
favor
of
amendment
16628,
please
say:
aye
opposed
no
bill
has
now
amended
your
recognized
chairman
todd
on
your
bill.
Thank.
I
You,
mr
chairman,
and
in
our
code
right
now
we
have
a
law
that
allows
sheriffs
and
clerks
to
sue
the
county
commission
if
they
don't
feel
like
their
mission
is
funded
properly,
and
what
this
does
is
put
some.
I
guess
some
more
definitions
in
that
code
when
it
was
written
and
passed
many
many
years
ago.
I
It
was
to
be
an
expedited
process
and
we
I've
had
judges,
approach
me
and
others
across
the
state
that
have
great
concerns
about
how
this
has
become
a
not
so
expedited
process
in
many
cases,
and
that
I've
worked
with
a
number
of
attorneys
and
judges.
The
bar
association
across
the
state
in
the
last
year
to
get
this
crafted
and
what
you
see
before.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
to
sponsor.
Let
me
just
make
this
quick
comment
and
then
I'll
ask
you
a
question.
I
know
that
our
county
is
in
litigation
as
we
speak.
I
Todd
this
is
for
the
point
that
it's
signing
the
law
forward.
It
does
not
affect
anything
in
the
past;
it
would
not
have
any
effect.
I'm
told
on
any
current
litigation
and
in
fact
it
helps
solve
some
of
the
problems
that
were
created
in
that
situation
that
you
refer
to
by
putting
some
more
guard
rails
on
this
process.
H
Well,
I
I
guess,
when
you
say
it
helped
solve
some
of
those
problems.
I
guess
it
would
depend
on
who
were
guilty
in
terms
of
of
what
happened,
I
kind
of
know
what
happened
which
I
won't
get
into,
but
I
think
all
leaders
are
responsible
for
providing
good
leadership.
H
H
If,
if,
if
I
am,
if
I
deserve
to
be
compensated
for
what
I've
lost,
I
deserve
to
have
it
back
and
if
I'm
a
sheriff,
I
deserve
to
have
a
budget
to
run
a
county,
keep
people
safe,
and
if
I
don't
get
it
the
law
says
I
can
sue
the
county
commission
not
really
the
mayor,
but
the
county
commission.
But
of
course,
in
some
cases
county
commission
don't
have
any
say
so
at
all.
The
mayor
is
running
the
show.
So
I
I
just
have
a
problem
with
this
legislation.
H
I
Just
very
simply,
the
law
already
says
that
the
mayor
is
the
person
that
the
charge
or
the
lawsuit
is
filed
against,
and
so
this
doesn't
change
that
this
keeps
that
the
same,
but
just
again
puts
a
better
box
around
it,
so
that
these
lawsuits
don't
get
out
of
hand.
They're
they're
spending
an
awful
lot
of
money
on
legal
fees
in
some
cases
in
the
case
he's
talking
about,
they
literally
the
citizens
of
that
county
spent
over
a
half
a
million
dollars
in
legal
fees,
and
that
was
greatly
reduced
over
what
was
requested.
I
C
I
I've
heard
from
judges
across
the
state
that
have
tried
these
cases
before
and
they
have
seen
how
they
have
gone
off
the
rails
so
to
speak
and
gotten
extended.
These
are
meant
to
be
an
expedited
process.
Obviously,
you've
got
a
county
commission
trying
to
pass
a
budget.
They
get
a
lawsuit,
they
need
it
settled
quickly.
The
sheriff
or
the
clerk
needs
it
settled
quickly
so
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
budget
appropriately
and
they
in
many
cases.
I
There
have
been
folks
that
have
dragged
these
things
out
for
months
and
months
and
months
even
into
the
next
year
in
the
next
budget
year.
So
there's
not
a
resolution
for
the
current
budget
year
specific
counties
I
can't
other
than
that
one
I
am
familiar
with
just
because
I've
had
so
many
people
approach
me
about
it,
but
I
certainly
wasn't
involved
in
it.
Don't
know
a
lot
of
great
details
other
than
what
I
have
asked
of
the
judge
that
was
over
that
case
leader
gant.
C
I
Original
bill
filed
that
actually
passed
the
senate
without
anybody
even
noticing
it
had
a
15
000
cap
on
attorney
fees,
and
so
once
I
filed
that
in
the
house,
I
started
understanding
from
the
parties
that
are
involved
in
this,
that
that
can't
work,
you
can't
have
a
fee
structure
set
up
that
would
fit
all
counties.
Obviously
the
budget
in
lake
county
is
a
lot
different
from
davidson,
county
and
so
forth,
and
so
one
size
doesn't
fit
all
so
we
then
began
to
structure
this
so
that
it
gave
the
judges
more
control.
C
I
Chairman
todd
in
that
particular
case,
I
understand
that
the
sheriff's
attorney
asked
for
over
900
000
in
attorney's
fees.
For
that
one
case
he
was
awarded
by
the
judge.
According
to
the
rules
of
all
the
the
court
proceedings
and
the
rules
of
civil
procedure,
he
was
awarded
a
little
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
They
then
awarded
the
county
attorney
who's
having
to
fight
the
same
battle
on
the
for
the
county.
I
About
half
of
that,
so
over
half
a
million
dollars
went
and
went
out
from
the
taxpayers
to
attorney's
fees
alone.
They
ended
up
getting
the
settlement.
They
got
from
the
judge.
I
understand
it
didn't
have
a
specific
dollar
figure.
It
was
a
percent
raise,
but
it
amounted
to
somewhere
in
120
to
130
000
a
year
in
the
budget,
so
it
cost
over
half
a
million
dollars
to
get
120
or
30
000.
I
It's
anybody's
fault,
it's
just
the
way
the
system
is
currently
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
fix
by
this
legislation,
so
that
these
cannot
be
a
runaway
case
where
an
attorney
just
keeps
asking
for
more
motions
filing
more
motions
asking
for
more
depositions
more
witnesses.
I
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
really
don't
feel
comfortable
to
get
into
all
of
this
in
a
public
setting,
but
I
I
do
know
enough
about
the
case
to
know
that
I
don't
think
anybody
know
how
much
money
has
been
spent,
because
the
county
attorney
was
basically
fired
and
then
they
went
and
got
another
attorney
who
I
really
thought
helped
write
this
legislation
and
I
may
be
wrong.
H
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
just
know
that
way
too
much
money
has
been
spent
in
our
county
and
again
I
just
need
to
say
that
it
is
important
that
we
all
be
leaders
and,
if
you
gotta,
but
you
can't
take
somebody's
budget
and
expect
for
them
to
run
the
county,
whether
it
be
the
sheriff
or
whoever
it
is
and-
and
I
I
would
rather
just
talk
privately
with
you
leader
and
other
folks
about
this,
but
I
personally
just
think
right
now
that
this
legislation
would
might
be
more
harm
than
it
would
would
help
that's
what
I'm
going
to
say
and
leave
it
there
and
I'll
talk
to
you
privately
about
it.
I
A
A
A
J
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
committee
and
staff.
The
drafting
code
is
zero.
One,
six,
five,
three
nine.
A
Okay,
all
right
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
right
amendment.
Amendment
number
zero
one,
six,
five,
three
nine
do.
I
have
a
motion
on
the
amendment
proper
motion
and
second
on
the
amendment
you're
recognized
on
the
amendment,
sir.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
mr
chair
with
your
indulgence.
Do
you
mind
if
I
explain
what
happened
last
week,
so
everybody's
on
the
same
page?
I
know
I
explained
it
to
you
and
I
explained
it
to
chairman
carr,
but
I
don't
know
if
the
rest
of
the
committee
understood
what
went
on
last
week,
you're.
J
You,
mr
chair,
so
last
week,
chairman
carr
and
and
I
thank
him
for
that-
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
was
an
actual
fiscal
note
on
on
this
bill.
J
From
the
amendment
that
we
had
put
on
last
week,
I
didn't
realize
that
there
was
a
fiscal
note
on
the
bill
because
it
wasn't
in
my
in
my
folder
as
they
normally
are,
and
when
I
looked
at
when
I
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
language
of
the
bill,
there
was
a
a
typo
from
that
from
legal
as
to
the
language
that
was
put
into
the
building
and
it
made
it
made
the
language
a
little
bit.
J
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
new
legislators
on
this
committee,
but
it
was
something
as
simple
as
the
number
one
being
in
parentheses,
on
the
amendment
versus
the
number
one
not
being
in
parentheses,
on
the
amendment
and
that
number
one
in
parentheses,
put
169
000
onto
the
bill,
and
and
and
this
was
the
language
the
language
that
is
in
the
amendment
now
that
we're
adopting
now
is
the
same
language
that
the
comptroller
sent
for
the
previous
amendment.
But
this
language
is
that
language
without
the
typo
and
so
this
language.
J
Now,
with
this
amendment
that
rewrites
the
bill
actually
removes
the
fiscal
note
from
the
bill
and
that
language
came
directly
from
the
comptroller's
office
to
because
there
was,
the
intent
was
not
to
have
a
bill
that
carried
a
fiscal
note
with
it
and
and
chairman
carr
again.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
my
attention,
because
I
was
under
the
impression
that
the
language
was
drafted
in
the
right
posture
and
removed
the
fiscal
note.
J
And
if
you
look
at
on
the
fiscal
note,
if
you
look
at
bullet
point
number
three,
I
think
one
two
three
bullet
point
number
three.
It
says,
based
on
information
provided
by
the
cot,
the
additional
duty
can
be
accomplished,
utilizing
existing
staff
and
resources
resulting
in
no
significant
fiscal
impact
to
the
cot,
and
so-
and
I
think
that
was
what
our
our
challenge
was
last
week.
So
with
that,
mr
chair,
I
hope
that
we'll
adopt
the
amendment.
A
Chairman
carr,
your
name
was
called
okay.
You've
heard
the
discussion
of
the
amendment
any
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
put
the
amendment
16539
on
the
bill.
Please
say:
aye
opposed
no
bill
is
now
amendment
representative
parkinson
you're
recognized
on
the
complete
bill's
amended.
J
J
Medical
professionals
such
as
doctors
and
nurses,
by
coming
up
with
a
program
their
own
program
with
these
guidelines,
that's
outlined
in
the
program
for
grant
incentives
from
those
municipalities
or
the
school
board,
or
you
know
the
county
of
the
city
and
that's
basically
what
the
bill
does.
K
Thank
you
chairman
to
the
sponsor
is
basically
what
you're
saying
in
here
is:
the
incentive
would
be
that
they
would
get
their
property
tax,
or
what
that
is
equal
to
paid
for
a
certain
amount
of
amount
of
time
is
that
what
you're,
representing
parkinson's.
J
K
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and,
and
let
me
let
me
clarify
also
on
your
previous
question
to
chairman
carr,
that
these
grants
are
not
to
be
used
for
to
for
them
to
pay
their
property
taxes,
because
that
would
be
unconstitutional.
K
Thank
you
chairman.
Well,
I
was
just
looking
at
it
and
said
it's
got
a
clawback
provision.
I
don't
know
how
you
claw
that
back,
if
you
so
people
still
living
there
and
they
didn't
pay
it
back.
I
just
I've
got
a
few
doubts
about
it.
I
mean
it's
permissive,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
allow
some
governments
to
go
in
and
start
doing
this
and
the
other's
not
doing
it
it
just
it
might
make
for
a
tense
moment
for
me
anyway.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
representative,.
J
You
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
just
a
a
quick
response
in
regards
to
clawback
chairman
carr,
that
is,
for
an
individual
that
breaches
the
contract,
and
so,
let's
say,
for
instance,
if
in
let's
say,
if
a
rural
county
in
in
our
state
says
hey,
we,
we
want
to
recruit
doctors
or
nurses
to
our
county
and
we're
going
to
contract
with
them
for,
let's
say
five
years,
so
they
have
to
be
here
for
five
years
and
they
decide
that
they
don't
want
to
work
in
that
job
anymore,
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
just
putting
this
example
out
of
there,
and
so
they
are
then
in
breach
of
that
contract
in
regards
to
receiving
those
grant
funds,
so
that
clawback
provision
is
to
ensure
that
that
money
is
paid
back
to
the
county,
so
that
the
county
does
not
lose
any
money
in
their
program.
K
Thank
you
chairman.
Well,
I
guess
I
can't
get
my
mind
wrapped
around
that
this
county
may
decide
one
thing
this
county
may
decide
another
thing
and
then
you
would
have.
I
think
you
would
have
a.
I
think.
You'd
have
a
problem
on
all
that
trying
to
draw
that
back
and
then
this
guy
worked
three
years
here
and
then
he
says
oh
they're,
giving
more
grants
hope
to
this
other
county
I'll
just
go
over
there
and
get
that
grant.
Then
I'll
call
back
can
pay
these
guys
back.
A
J
A
Item
number
eight
today
house
bill
2905,
we've
taken
up
item
number
nine
house
bill
2159
without
objection,
it
will
be
rolled
to
the
hill
item
number
10
house
bill
2303
by
representative
cochran
got
a
proper
motion.
Is
there
a
second
proper?
Second,
I
do
see
it
has
an
a
couple
of
amendments.
Representative
cochran.
Can
you
please
give
us
the
drafting
code
of
the
amendments
you
want
to
run.
L
A
We
do
have
a
motion
in
second:
are
you
going
to
run
the
second
amendment
or
just
that
one
yeah.
A
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
so
essentially
we
talked
about
this
in
subcommittee,
and
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
many
of
you
over
the
last
few
days.
Essentially
what
this
bill
is
doing,
it's
it's
permitting
something
that
is
already
being
done
by
some
local
governments
and
the
best
way
I
can
explain
it
to.
You
is
just
to
tell
you
what
what's
happening
in
my
home
county
and
just
to
kind
of
give
you
the
numbers
there
so
essentially
in
mickman
county
it
cost
about
ten
thousand
dollars
to
insure
each
employee.
L
What
mcmean
county
does
is
they
offer
an
incentive
to
employees
if
that
employee's
spouse
has
insurance
somewhere
else,
they
offer
an
incentive
for
them
to
get
on
their
spouse's
plan,
and
then
cinnamon
county
is
roughly
about
fifteen
hundred
dollars,
so
essentially
every
employee
who
takes
advantage
of
that.
That's
about
an
eighty
five
hundred
dollar
savings
for
the
county,
so
for
mickman
county
about
20
folks.
Take
advantage
of
that
that
ends
up
being.
You
know,
roughly
about
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
savings
for
mcminn
county.
L
That's
about
two
cents
on
our
tax
rate,
that's
a
pretty
big
deal,
and
so
essentially,
what
what
brought
this
you
know
to
to
our
attention.
For
many
years,
nick
mean
county
have
been
have
been
audited
by
a
private
firm.
This
last
year
was
the
first
time
that
the
that
the
state
of
tennessee
actually
audited
the
county,
and
so
they
ran
across
this
they
said.
Actually,
this
is
very
good
financial
practice.
We
don't
have
any
problem
with
this.
L
You
know
in
a
fiduciary
sense,
but
we
just
got
to
make
sure
that
state
law
expressly
allows
it,
because
that's
how
county
governments
operate.
If
it's
not
permissive
in
state
law
for
a
county
to
do
it,
it
results
in
an
audit
finding,
and
so
I
believe,
there's
some
cities.
I
believe
new
burn
tennessee
according
to
I
spoke
with
representative
grills.
They
do
this.
Cities
are
able,
as
you
all
know,
as
well
as
cities,
have
a
little
bit
more
autonomy
to
make
those
policy
changes
than
counties
counties.
We
have
to
change
it
into
law.
L
I
know
there
are
a
few
questions
on
on
the
fiscal
note,
just
to
clarify
on
that.
Of
course,
that
is
a
local
permissive
fiscal
note.
I
confirmed
with
chairman
hicks:
that's
not
something
that
gets
held
up
in
finance,
and
so
you
know
basically
fiscal
review
when
they
add
up
at
the
fiscal
note.
L
They
they
consider
the
payments,
but
they
they're
not
able
to
consider
the
savings
to
those
counties
right
to
for
the
the
savings
that
each
one
of
those
payments
represents,
so
that
that
that's
kind
of
results
in
that
in
that
local
permissive
fiscal
note,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
explanation
on
that,
but
again
in
speaking
with
chairman
hicks,
that
should
not
be
a
problem
in
finance,
so
I
will
yield
to
any
questions
again.
L
This
one's
pretty
pretty
straightforward
and
and
and
a
permissive
bill,
but
but
happy
to
to
answer
any
questions.
F
F
L
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
No,
I
so
I
believe
in
that
in
in
mcmean
county
situation,
for
instance,
both
of
those
would
just
have
would
have
insurance
through
that
particular
county.
There
would
not
be
an
incentive;
both
of
them
would
have
would
have
insurance
through
county
government.
A
L
A
L
Mr
chairman,
again,
I
believe
that
that
would
not
be
an
increase,
because
the
fiscal
review
takes
into
account
that
the
county
is
giving
out
that
incentive.
What
they're,
not
taking
into
account
is
that
each
time
you
give
that
incentive
that
also
represents
again
sometimes
roughly
up
to
8
500
in
savings
and-
and
so
the
fiscal
note
takes
into
account
that
you
know
the
incentive
that
you're
giving
to
those
employees
permissively
if
the
county
chooses
to
do
that,
but
it
does
not
take
into
account
the
savings.
So
again,
I
would
disagree
that
no
no!
L
L
Right
well
again,
what
I
would
what
I
would
argue
is
that
you're
you're
at
a
net
positive,
so
there's
nothing
for
the
locals
to
pay
and
they're
saving
eighty
five
hundred
dollars
from
not
having
to
insure
that
person,
so
that
fifteen
hundred
dollar
payment
is
not
a
cost
to
them.
It's
an
eighty
five
hundred
dollar
savings.
So
there's
not
that
there's
not
a
payment,
so
they're
not
having
to
pay
that
it's
a
savings,
not
a
payment.
A
L
Right
well
again,
mr
chairman,
I
don't,
I
don't
believe
I
ever
said
that
I
would
not
run
it
without
a
fiscal
note.
I
did
say
that
I
would
work
with
fiscal
and
we
would
try
to
try
to
take
care
of
it
and
so
what
we
did.
That's
what
that
amendment
did
the
initial
fiscal
note,
which
was
again
local
and
permissive.
L
It
was
a
very
large
number
and
it's
because
fiscal,
the
original
bill
allowed
you
to
give
up
to
the
entire
premium
as
a
as
an
incentive,
which
obviously
would
not
make
sense.
No
county
would
give
the
entire
premium,
and
so
again,
in
my
county's
instance,
we
give
about
15
percent,
and
so
the
amendment
brings
it
down
to
15
of
the
amount
of
the
premium.
The
county
pays.
L
That's
what
brought
that
fiscal
note
down
by
about
90,
so
it
did
not
wipe
it
away
entirely,
but
but
the
amendment
brought
it
down
about
90
percent
and
again
just
to
re-emphasize
it's
a
local
permissive
fiscal
note.
If
a
county,
you
know
thinks
that
this
is
not
in
their
best
interest,
they
don't
have
to
do
it,
but
I
can
tell
you
it
certainly
has
been
in
the
best
interest
of
ours
and
I
don't
see
how
it
would
not
save
save
you
money.
Thank.
A
You
for
that
explanation,
let's
see
chairman
rudd.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Where
did
where
did
this
again?
Could
you
explain
it
exactly
where
this
originated.
L
Sure,
no
absolutely
so,
so
it's
a
it's
a
policy
that
mick
mean
county
has
done
for
many
years,
and
so
again
we
provide
an
incentive
just
to
go
over
that
briefly,
one
more
time
it
cost
about
ten
thousand
dollars
per
employee
to
insure
them,
and
so
the
county
would
give
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
incentive.
L
If
a
county
employees
could
get
insurance
through
their
spouse,
if
their
spouse
has
insurance
to
another
employer,
they
could
get
that
fifteen
hundred
dollars
not
be
insured
through
the
county
and
then
the
county
realizes
that
eighty
five
hundred
dollar
savings,
the
only
thing
that
really
brought
it
to
my
attention,
was
the
first
year
of
state
audit.
The
auditors
came
in
and
said
well
hey.
This
is
actually
it's
actually
a
good
financial
practice.
We've
just
got
to
make
sure
that
in
state
law
it
expressly
allows
you
to
do
it,
and
so
there
was
no.
L
There
was
no
fiduciary
issue
with
the
policy.
They
just
said.
You
know:
hey
we've
got
with
a
county
government.
A
county
can
only
do
what
state
law
permits
it
to
do,
and
so
that's
what
this
would
do.
It's
a
it's.
A
permissive
portion
of
code
that,
if
a
county
wants
to
do
it,
they
can
do
it
and
realize
that
savings
without
an
audit
funding.
G
L
L
This
is
just
an
issue
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
when,
when
the
audit
was
published-
and
so
so
this
isn't
this
isn't
anything
that
we're
trying
to
force
or
ask
any
county
to
do
it's
just
permitting
it
if
they
would
like
to
realize
those
savings
that
have
been
very
real
for
the
last
15
years
that
have
saved
our
taxpayers
millions
of
dollars
now
again,
if
a
county
doesn't
want
to
do
that
they
don't
have
to.
L
G
Rudd,
I
guess
the
real
issue.
The
only
real
issue
I
have
about
it
is
that
my
county
has
not
come
to
me
about
it.
I
don't
like,
even
if
it's
permissive,
I
don't
like
forcing
a
policy
under
my
county,
they
may
not
want
in
some
instances,
counties
may
not
want
that
option.
It's
like
special
acts
and
other
things.
They
may
not
want
that
option
in
their
individual
county,
so
I
would
be
very
hesitant
to
force
this
permissive
option
to
each
county
because
some
of
them
may
not
want
it.
Thank
you,
representative,
shaw.
L
C
L
Well,
representative,
kelsey
counties
do
not
have
charters
for
the
most
part,
counties
are
under
general
application
of
state
law
and
so
mickman
county,
like
most
counties
other
than
some
of
your
larger
metro
counties
that
there
is
no
charter
you
for,
for
you
to
make
a
change
for
a
county.
You
have
to
make
it
through
general
application
of
state
law.
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
sponsor,
seeing
none
we're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
house
bill,
2014,
okay,
thank
you.
This
will
be
a
roll
call
vote.
Madam
clerk,
will
you
please
take
the
roll.
B
Chisholm,
a
representative
gant.
C
B
B
B
A
H
You,
mr
chairman,
I
realize
I'm
out
of
order,
but
I
want
to
represe
recognize
miss
bethany
miller
who's
here
with
us
today.
She's
here
shattering
me
this
week,
bethan,
if
you
would
stand
up
and
give
us
a
bow,
we'd
like
to
recognize
you
being
here
today.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
A
A
Second
proper
motion
and
second
without
objection,
we'll
vote
on
house
bill,
2642
being
placed
on
the
clerk's
desk,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
no,
it's
on
the
clerk's
desk.
A
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
representative,
I'm
showing
that
it
this
bill
has
failed
in
the
senate.
Is
that
correct.
C
K
K
K
A
A
K
We're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
in
marshall,
county
and
around
the
city
and
what
the
city
is
wanting
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
charge
an
impact
fee
on
new
construction
rather
than
raising
property
taxes
on
existing
taxpayers
to
help
cover
costs
of
the
new
infrastructure.
That's
going
to
be
needed
for
all
the
new
growth
and
that's
what
this
bill
does.
It
gives
them
the
ability
to
take
a
vote
on
that
if
they
so
choose.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
to
the
sponsor.
We've
had
this
in
one
particular
county
already
and
of
course
this
is
louisburg
here
and
we
did
denied
that
person
for
that
same
particular
want
and
ask
here.
I
could
not
be
comfortable
with
taking
your
bill
now
and
running
it
forward.
I
know
that
it's
by
the
two-thirds
vote
and
everything,
but
we
give
them
control.
K
K
Land
developments
I
mean:
does
that
just
mean
well
anyway,
I'm
not
for
the
bill
anyway,
but
is
land
developments
mean
the
land
that
they're
going
to
develop
or
after
they
build
a
house
on
it.
I
mean
that's
a
little
unclear
to
me,
but
even
in
this
concept
with
me
and
my
committee
subcommittee
the
other
day
turning
down
one
for
and
I
will
call
it
out-
maury
county,
I
do
not
feel
right
trying
to
even
pass
this
bill
here.
So
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
will
have
to
vote
no
on
this.
K
C
Gant.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
share
the
same
sentiment
that
representative
carr
has
mentioned
as
well
and
and
even
in
my
district,
I've
had
one
of
my
municipalities
come
to
me
with
this
same
same
approach,
and
I've
told
them
that
I
would
not
even
entertain
that,
even
if
being
in
my
own
district
so-
and
I'm
can't
be
supportive
here
as
well,
so
just
want
to
be
on
record
as
being
consistent
across
the
board,
not
just
on
your
legislation
but
but
on
all
of
these
that
come
forward.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
K
You're,
recognizing
that
we
don't
want
to
charge
our
our
hometown.
Folks,
that's
lived
here
all
their
life
for
the
new
construction.
That's
coming
in,
they
look
at
it.
As
a
is
a
I
guess
you
want
to
call
it
maybe
a
fair
tax
that
the
new
growth
pays
for
the
new
infrastructure
and
I
think
that's
all
they're
trying
to
do
here.
A
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
clerk
about
the
bill
that
we
had
up
previously.
Item
number
13
on
the
calendar
house
bill
2642,
the
fine
chairman
from
sevier
county.
Can
I
found
out
that
the
clerk's
office?
We
cannot
refer
a
bill
directly
to
the
clerk's
desk.
F
We
can
refer
a
bill
to
the
s
to
the
special
calendar
of
which
time
it
would
give
the
opportunity
for
the
member
to
either
take
it
off
notice
or
we
can
kill
it
then,
but
the
so
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
reconsider
our
actions
on
sending
house
bill
2642
to
the
clerk's
desk,
make
a
motion
to
reconsider
our
actions.
Do.
A
F
A
A
A
A
D
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
reading
from
the
resolution
from
the
city
of
mcewen
that
the
bill
to
be
introduced
and
enacted
at
the
2022
session
of
the
general
assembly
to
adopt
a
private
act,
amending
the
municipal
charter
of
the
city
of
mcewen
to
restate
and
revise
positions
relative
to
various
principal
officers
of
the
municipality,
their
functions
and
responsibility
and
their
appointment
and
removal.
And
really
speaking.
The
majority
of
this
resolution
is.
A
A
Item
20
house
bill
2061
by
representative
mannis
proper
motion.
Do
I
have
a
second
exactly
properly
seconded
representative
manus?
I
do
see
that
this
has
an
amendment.
Can
you
please
give
us
your
drafting
code?
Let's
correct
zero
one,
three
one,
six
zero!
That
is
correct.
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
the
amendment
proper
motion
in
the
second
on
the
amendment
it
does
make
the
bill
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
put
that
on
and
discuss
the
bill.
All
in
favor
of
amendment
number
13160
going
on
the
bill.
Please
say:
aye.
D
C
You,
mr
chair,
thank
you
committee.
Currently
in
law.
Most
complaints
regarding
pacs
can
be
reported
to
the
district
attorney's
office
in
the
county,
where
the
complaint
is
filed
due
to
how
the
law
is
currently
written,
there's
no
oversight
for
a
local
multi-candidate
pac.
Therefore,
the
da's
office
does
not
have
the
legal
jurisdiction
jurisdiction
to
review
complaints
or
seek
recourse
for
violations
regarding
multi-candidate
committees
or
multi-candidate
pacs.
C
We
thought
the
advice
of
bill
young
to
come
up
with
to
rewrite
this
code
so
that
multi-candidate
pacs
would
be
included,
and
I
will
also
add,
while
the
association
of
districts
attorney
district
attorneys
has
not
officially
asked
for
this
change.
I
have
worked
closely
with
the
knox
county
d.a
and
they
do
agree
that
this
clarity
would
be
valuable
and
obviously
it
would
need
to
come
from
the
legislature.
So
I
will
answer
any
questions.
A
C
A
G
G
Let
me
explain
this.
This
is
an
amendment
worked
out
over
the
weekend.
The
department
of
safety
had
a
concern
with
the
wording
of
the
bill
that
it
did
not
include
them
because
they
register
voters
at
the
time
they
signed
people
up
for
licenses
and
it
only
addressed
the
actual
county
commission.
I
worked
out
a
compromise
so
that
they're
deferred
on
that,
but
it
was
an
untimely
filed
amendment
since
I
didn't
get
their
wording
till
monday.
A
A
G
Thank
you.
This
is
more
of
a
cleanup
bill
than
anything
when
we
passed
previous
legislation.
G
A
D
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee.
This
is
from
the
secretary
of
state's
office
what
this
does.
It
creates
a-
and
I
told
you
about
this
when
I
passed
a
another
audit
bill
that
I
was
holding.
It
was
waiting
on
this
one.
This
is
a
much
needed
transparency
and
audit
bill.
What
this
would
do
is
the
secretary
of
state's
office
and
the
county
election
commissions
will
conduct
audits.
After
each
august
and
november
election,
the
secretary
of
state
will
randomly
select
counties
on
election
day.
G
Three
counties
will
be
audited
in
the
august
election
and
six
counties
will
be
audited
in
the
november
election,
and
it
also
creates
a
pilot
program
in
williamson
county
that
will
conduct
audits
for
may
august
and
november
22
election
as
a
test
run.
The
counties
using
the
the
precinct
based
optical
scanners
already
have
to
audit
under
state
law
that
would
continue,
and
additionally,
the
expense
of
this
is
would
be
paid
for
by
the
help
america
vote
act
and
there
is
a
funding
letter
on
the
way
for
that
and
with
that,
I'm
open
for
any
questions.
You've.
A
The
question
has
been
called:
we're
ready
to
vote
on
amendment
01618,
going
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
D
A
A
Do
I
have
a
motion
got
a
proper
motion
and
second,
let
the
record
reflect
that.
I
have
received
a
two-third
majority
resolution
for
the
governing
body.
I
do
see
it
has
an
amendment
representative.
I
mean
chairman
williams.
Can
you
please
give
us
your
drafting.
F
Yes,
chairman
crawford
the
amendment
drafting
code,
zero,
one,
six,
four,
six,
four,
that.
A
F
Williams,
thank
you,
chairman
of
members,
this
bill,
I'm
carrying
for
the
speaker.
It
creates
a
new
cumberland,
a
new
water
conservatory
authority
in
cumberland
county.
He
has
worked
diligently
over
the
years
to
get
a
collaborative
effort
to
create
a
new
commission
to
supply
adequate
drinking
water
and
sewage
wastewater
treatment
facilities
consortium
there.
This
bill
would
allow
that
to
do
allow
them
to
form
this
water
authority.
F
The
bill
was
20
pages,
but
the
most
important
part
is
he's
worked
with
the
comptroller's
office
to
make
sure
the
competitor
is
doing
a
regular
audits
of
that,
and
this
would
just
stay
stand
up
that
authority
and
determine
who
the
members
of
the
authority
are.
With
that
chairman,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
the
members
might
have.
A
F
F
You,
after
chairman,
after
a
consultation
with
representative
coleslaw,
I
make
a
move
into
a
motion
to
adjourn.