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House Local Government Committee- February 15, 2022- House Hearing Room1
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Thank
you.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
representative
carr
is
excused.
Does
anyone
have
any
personal
orders
or
announcements
seeing
none?
We
have
eight
bills
today
on
the
calendar,
we'll
jump
into
getting
started,
starting
with
the
house
bill
0105
by
chairman
faison
got
a
proper
motion
in
second
chairman
faison.
I
do
see
that
you
have
an
amendment.
Can
you
give
us
that
amendment
number.
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D
They
they've
worked
hard,
they've
offered
numerous
bonuses,
all
sorts
of
things
to
be
able
to
hire
local
law
enforcement
and
they
are
struggling.
They
want
to
be
able
to
go
outside
of
the
boundaries
that
their
local
city
council
feels
like
they
should
and
that's
what
this
bill
will
do,
allow
them
to
hire
outside
of
the
boundaries
that
their
city
council
set
on.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
faison.
I
do
have
a
untimely
filed
amendment.
It
is
amendment
13515
by
representative
chisholm.
At
this
time.
Is
there
a
motion
to
take
up
the
untimely
amendment
proper
motion
in
second
on
the
untimely
event
amendment
all
those
in
favor
of
taking
up
the
amendment,
please
say:
aye,
those
opposed?
No,
no,
the
no's
have
it.
I
recognize
you
on
the
a
bill
as
amendment
with
amendment
13142,
so
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
all
right.
We'll
start
with
representative
hodges,
okay,
representative
miller,.
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F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
along
that
same
line.
That's
just
my
concern.
I
you
know
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
calls
from
folks
in
memphis
said
they
don't
want
outsiders,
and
I
guess
what
I
was
trying
to
not
that
I'm
making
that
decision
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
guess
what
confused
me
was
is
that
they
wouldn't
have
one
of
their
representatives
to
bring
this
bill.
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F
G
You
know,
for
example,
if
I
proposed
a
bill
in
jefferson
county
that
only
pertained
to
jefferson
county,
I
would
be
met
with
the
same
reservation
that
I
have
right
now,
because
I
don't
live
in
that
county,
so
it
would.
I
would
so.
I
probably
would
be
asked
to
let
that
local
government
take
care
of
that
local
issue.
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G
So,
instead
of
looking
outside
of
our
backyard
to
be
policed
by
people
who
not
of
our
community,
how
about
we
just
pay
the
ones
that
are
in
our
community,
you
know
for
those
that
want
to
do
this
work,
I
invite
them.
I
invite
anyone
to
come
to
memphis.
Memphis
is
an
amazing
place.
I
see
it
in
the
subcommittee.
I
love
memphis,
I'm
from
memphis,
and
I
I
bleed
memphis
and
I
believe
that
memphis.
G
If
we
actually
take
a
real
look
in
our
backyard,
I
believe
we'll
find
what
we're
looking
for
we'll
find
people
willing
to
do.
This
work
we'll
find
people
who
are
dedicated
to
memphis,
because
what
I'm
finding
out
when
people
are
able
to
work
in
their
backyard,
they
do
a
better
job
at
it,
because
you
have
actually
more
incentive
for
doing
that.
Work
at
a
higher
rate
so
joining
us
in
memphis
it
could.
It
could
potentially
improve
the
relationships
that
we
have
between
community
and
first
responders.
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D
Recognized.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
committee.
I
would
like
to
turn
your
attention
to
house
bill
105
on
your
mark
calendar,
and
you
would
notice
that
the
majority
of
the
sponsors
on
this
bill
are
either
west
tennessee
or
shelby
county
sponsors
number.
One
number
two
I'd
also
like
to
direct
your
attention
to
a
recent
fbi
report
that
shows
memphis
as
one
of
the
single
most
deadly
cities
in
america
with
over
300
homicides
last
year,.
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When
your
local
law
enforcement
is
coming
to
the
legislators,
legislature
saying
we
need
help
because
we're
struggling
to
find
and
we're
hundreds
hundreds
of
officers
short
and
we
desperately
want
to
keep
our
communities
safe.
We
need
help
because
they
have
not
got
the
problem
fixed
where
we're
at
so
we're
coming
to
you
for
help
from
the
state
to
make
sure
we
get
this
right.
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Sir,
thank
you
thank
you,
mr
chair
representative,
love
that
is
correct
and
as
that
and
as
you
would
know
that
I'm
I
live
in
a
border
county
and
a
lot
of
us
in
east
tennessee
live
in
border
counties
and
that's
common
practice.
Where
we're
from
that.
If,
if
the
pool
is
limited,
then
we
pull
from
kentucky
or
north
carolina
or
virginia
that's
a
common
practice,
and
and
if
this
bill
was
passed,
it
would
also
extend
it
to
that
area
of
the
state
too.
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C
Well,
the
sponsor
actually
made
the
point
I
was
going
to
make
with
the
first
series
of
questioning
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
say
names.
He
doesn't
get
to
respond
because
he's
not
even
here
but
gillespie
is
number
two
on
this
bill
and
schedules,
and
so
forth
and
leadership
sometimes
determines
who's
number
one
on
these
bills,
but
then,
as
was
alluded
to,
you've,
got
white
vaughn
and
leatherwood
that
have
either
in
the
area
some
small
part
or
entire
district
in
the
city.
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You,
mr
chair
representative
miller,
thank
you
for
the
question
and,
first
of
all
I
would
like
to
say,
since
this
bill
has
been
put
on
notice,
the
first
time
and
all
through
last
week,
and
today
this
chair,
I've
spoken
him.
He
is
completely
open
to
anyone
who
would
like
to
come
in
and
testify
on
behalf
of
the
bill
or
for
the
bill.
Last
week
the
decision
was
made
with
the
subcommittee
chair
for
them
to
be
in
presence
so
that
this
committee
knew
where
the
leadership
of
memphis
was
and
how
they
believed.
D
This
is
this
place
belongs
to
the
people.
This
is
the
people's
house.
They
can
come
up
and
share
their
thoughts.
Why?
This
is
a
bad
idea,
so
there's
not
been
any
effort
to
silence
a
voice
and
with
I
I
can't
answer
you
why
those
leaders
in
your
community
haven't
spoke
directly
to
you,
but
they
were
willing
to
today
and
last
week
as
well.
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Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
that,
but
reception
sometimes
is
a
reality,
and
wouldn't
it
send
a
message
to
you
that
this
bill
is
probably
not
necessary,
based
on
the
fact
of
what
you've
just
said.
They
don't
see
it
as
that
important
or
they
would
be
here
to
speak
on
it.
Don't
you
think
they
would
be
here
to
those
that
support
it
and
those
that
do
not
support
it?
Don't
you
think
they
would
be
here
if
it
was
this
important
and
especially
being
introduced
from
somebody
that
doesn't
even
live
in
the
city.
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I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
from
I
want
to
get
one
thing
very
clear
from
what
all
the
discussions
I've
been
listening
to
this
bill
does
not
tell
memphis
that
has
to
do
anything.
It's
permitting
them
to
make
their
own
decision
to
go
outside
their
city
limits
if
they
choose
to
for
the
best
interest,
but
it's
still
up
to
them
to
decide
there.
It's
not
forcing
them
to
hire
anyone
from
anywhere
are
just
giving
them
the
freedom
and
the
best
interest
of
their
citizens
to
go
outside
if
they
so
need
to
chairman
faison.
Thank.
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J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sponsor
the
bill,
we're
just
replaying
what
was
said
in
the
in
the
subcommittee
and
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
the
police
chief
was
there
her
assistant.
Was
there
the
head
of
the
police
union?
Was
there
the
fire
chief?
Was
there
the
head
of
their
union
was
there
and
they
were
all
in
favor
of
it
now?
J
If,
of
course,
I
live
out
in
the
country,
if
my
sheriff
come
to
me
and
said
we're
400
deputies
short
and
we're
going
to
have
to
go
to
surrounding
counties
to
get
those,
I
jumped
right
on
board
because
it's
obvious
that
the
two
groups
are
mostly
affected
here.
Of
course,
the
people
really
affected
are
the
citizens
who
want
to
be
safe.
J
They
don't
get
shot
walking
to
the
grocery
store
or
whatever,
but
I
can't
believe
that
anybody
from
memphis
would
oppose
this
because
there's
a
definite
need
for
fire
and
and
law
enforcement,
and
I
believe
we
found
out
in
the
subcommittee
that
currently
40
of
the
police
department,
employees
don't
live
in
a
city
of
course
they're
grandfathered,
but
anyway
I'll
shut
up
about
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
F
To
be
perfectly
honest,
I
think
it
ought
to
be
done,
I'm
not
against
the
legislation.
What
I'm
against
is
that
there's
many
legislators
are
there
from
memphis.
It's
not
one.
First
on
this
gillespie
is.
Secondly,
I'm
wondering
why
we
don't
have
a
memphis
legislator
in
here
presenting
this
bill.
The
problem
I
got
is:
is
chairman
faison
presenting
a
bill
that
somebody
from
memphis
ought
to
be
presenting
that's
my
case.
D
We're
here
today,
because
this
area
of
tennessee
crime
has
risen
exponentially
and
your
police
chief
is
asking
for
help
and
when
that
police
chief
went
to
the
city
council
to
put
it
on
a
referendum
for
the
people
of
memphis
to
vote.
Your
city
council
said
no
seven
to
six
and
would
not
allow
the
people
of
memphis
to
go
on
a
referendum
to
fix
this,
and
you
know
why
they
said.
No,
you
can
figure
it
out.
G
Okay,
so
oh
without
getting
any
weeds
the
city
council,
they
voted
no
on
a
referendum,
one
referendum-
okay,
so
I
you
know,
of
course
we
won't
be
here
today,
but
I
had
an
amendment
here
to
put
a
sunset
provision
on
this,
just
just
so
that
we
can
try
the
shoes
on
if
it
doesn't
work.
Take
the
shoes
off,
because
my
concern
here
is
today
is
memphis
tomorrow,
it'll
be
everybody
else's
district.
G
Upholding
the
laws
that
are
in
that
area
that
they
do
not
have
to
follow
when
they
go
home
at
night
and
again,
maybe
it's
a
flaw
that
I
have
this
tennessee
first
memphis
first
thing,
but
I
believe
we
we.
I
truly
believe
again.
If
we
look
in
our
backyard,
we'll
find
the
people
we're
looking
for
chairman
faison.
D
Thank
you,
members
committee.
I
I
would
like
to
encourage
you
before
you
vote
to
remember
this
and
I
agree
it
could
happen
in
my
neighborhood
or
your
neighborhood,
but
if
it
does
happen
in
your
neighborhood
and
your
city,
council
refuses
it
to
be
put
on
a
referendum
for
the
people
that
you
speak
for
to
be
able
to
vote
and
make
their
voice
known.
Then
it
is
just
and
right
to
come
here
and
allow
us
to
put
it
to
where
the
people
want.
It.
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B
As
many
of
you
know,
I
have
most
all
the
fresh
special
school
districts
in
in
tennessee,
so
the
only
way
that
they
can
increase
their
revenue
is
to
come
to
this
body
and
ask
for
permission,
as
it
would
be
to
raise
the
property
tax
rate
and
a
specif
a
specific
amount,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
here
about
today.
Their
current
rate
is
a
dollar
and
82
cents.
They
want
to
raise
that
16
cents,
which
would
be
a
dollar
and
98
cents
per
100
of
value
for
real
property
and
personal
property.
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A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
Committee.
Constables
in
this
state
are
are
an
asset.
Large
communities.
Don't
have
them
changed
in
the
legislative
legislature
to
do
with
them
a
long
time
ago,
but
in
rural
counties,
constables
feel
a
real
need,
and
most
of
them
are
just
like
any
other
law
enforcement.
Folks
they
keep
their
nose
clean,
do
a
good
job
every
now,
and
then
you
get
a
wayward
one.
K
There
is
no
mechanism
to
do
away
with
a
wayward
one
or
to
deal
with
them
other
than
a
recall,
even
though
in
every
law
enforcement
agency
in
tennessee,
when
an
officer
if
he
gets
indicted
or
he
gets
arrested,
he's
put
on
administrative
leave
right
away.
Well,
this
bill
tries
to
fix
that
it.
It
says
if
you
have
a
wayward
constable
who
commits
crime
and
gets
arrested
or
is
indicted,
that
the
criminal
court
judge
in
that
county
will
give
put
him
on
administrative
leave
pending
the
outcome
of
a
trial.
K
Now
he's
got
a
right
to
an
appeal
to
that,
but
if
he
disobeys
the
judge,
there's
also
teeth
in
this
that
then
he
can
be
charged
with
disobeying
the
judge's
order.
He
can
also
place
the
constable
on
administrative
leave
for
unethical
conduct,
but
he
also
has
a
right
to
hearing
and
he
has
a
right.
The
constable
has
a
right
to
representation
and
if
he
doesn't
like
the
decision
he
he
can
appeal
to
the
court
of
appeals.
K
You
recognize,
I
have
no
idea.
There's
a
there
was
a
constable
association
in
west
tennessee.
You
have
one
main
constable
association,
tennessee
constable
association,
and
I
think
a
representative
behind
me
is
moving
for
another
one
called
east
tennessee
constable
association,
but
I
really
do
not
know
how
many
counties
in
the
whole
state
have
them.
I'm
sorry.
K
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F
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C
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L
If
you
have
any
serious
questions,
I
will
have
someone
from
the
comptroller's
office,
hayden
pendergrass
here
to
back
me
up,
but
I
will
try
to
walk
through
this
with
you.
County
government
go
ahead.
Sir
okay
county
government
typically
operates
under
three
financial
management
statutes,
such
as
the
county
purchasing
act
of
1957,
the
county
financial
management
system
of
1981
and
general
law.
L
This
legislation
makes
government
work
more
better
together
by
making
the
conflict
of
interest
provision
in
the
county
financial
management
statutes.
Consistent.
The
bill
mirrors
the
language
in
the
county,
financial
management
system
of
1981
and
the
general
law.
By
adding
the
definitions
for
the
term
controlling
interest,
direct
interest
and
indirect
interest,
additionally,
the
bill
adds
language
regarding
the
indirect
conflicts
of
interest
be
disclosed.
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F
F
C
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A
M
You
chairman
crawford
this
bill,
clarifies
three
parts
of
our
public
finance
code.
First,
it
makes
it
clear
that
a
municipal
or
local
government
can
obtain
information
about
interest
rates
from
directly
itself
or
using
a
designee
and
that
its
designee
does
not
have
to
be
a
certified
financial
advisor.
M
A
M
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
In
committee,
I
apologize
for
being
late.
We
was
in
another
committee
there.
This
is
brought
to
us
by
the
comptroller,
and
this
legislation
makes
government
work
better
by
updating
the
forest
land
definition
in
the
greenbelt
statute,
and
this
bill
allows
for
forest
land
to
contain
two
non-contiguous
tracks
within
the
same
county
totaling
at
least
15
acres
that
are
separated
only
by
road
body
of
water
or
public
or
private
easement,
and
this
bill
ensures
that
certain
non-contiguous
properties
are
still
classified
as
greenbelt.