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From YouTube: House Cities & Counties Subcommittee - February 8, 2022
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House Cities & Counties Subcommittee - February 8, 2022 - House Hearing Room 3
A
A
D
A
Thank
you,
mr
leader.
Now
we
shall
get
started
on
first
build
up
is
house
bill
105
by
chairman
faison.
Is
there
a
motion?
We
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
motion
in
the
second
chairman
faison,
you
are
recognized
on
house
bill
105
and
I
believe
you
there.
I
believe
there
is
an
amendment.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
A
A
D
A
You,
mr
leader,
is
there
a
discussion
or
questions
on
the
amendment
hearing?
None.
Are
we
ready
to
vote
on
amendment
13142
hearing?
No
objection,
all
in
favor
of
the
amendment
say
aye
opposed,
say.
No
amendment
carries
we're
back
on
the
bill.
Chairman
faison,
you
were
recognized
on
house
bill
105.
Sir
thank.
E
You,
mr
chairman
committee,
good
morning,
good
to
be
with
you
all,
as
previously
mentioned
by
chairman
gant.
We
do
have
a
pretty
esteemed
group
of
individuals
from
west
tennessee
here
today,
because
they
are
looking
to
the
state
to
say:
hey,
we
need
some
help
and
correcting
the
situation,
and
that's
what
this
bill
does.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
mr
chairman,
may
I
also
acknowledge
our
chief
davis
from
memphis
and
shelby
county
as
well
as
thomas,
belong,
good
friend
and
welcome.
I
think
this
is
your
first
opportunity
to
come
in
for
a
legislative
committee.
Okay,
we
welcome
you
here.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
mentioned
this
bill
is
in
reference
to
the
city
of
memphis,
but
for
clarification
and
understanding,
this
bill
has
statewide
application.
It's
that
correct
chairman.
E
F
E
You've,
obviously
been
here
longer
than
I
have,
and
you
understand
the
work
and
the
intricate
details
that
it
takes
to
navigate
legislation
that
is
somewhat
controversial
through
the
through
the
process
through
through
our
colleagues
there.
There
are
times
that
you
make
concessions,
there's
times
that
you
do
what
it
takes
to
get
your
notion
across
the
finish
line,
and
what
we're
doing
today
with
this
amendment,
is
getting
in
a
position
that
I
can
get
it
through
this
committee
and
this
committee
is
comfortable.
E
This
is
this:
is
the
committee
put
together
by
the
speaker
of
the
house
that
knows
more
about
local
governments
than
this
group
of
you
all
know
about
local
governments?
Many
of
you
served
on
it
and
through
the
chair
and
through
the
sponsor
of
that
amendment,
they
tell
me
that
this
is
the
best
way
to
move
it
forward
and
I
trust
the
chair
and
I
trust
the
sponsor
of
the
amendment.
So
that's
that's
how
we
got
in
this
position
representative.
F
F
I'm
I'm
a
little
offended
by
that.
A
little
insulted
by
that
you
know,
and
it's
nothing
personal,
but
just
the
fact
that
I
think
at
this
point
adopting
that
amendment.
That
may
call
for
a
question
a
constitutional
question.
Once
again,
where
legislators
tell
memphis
legislators,
you
cannot
do
a
certain
thing
and
you
only
are
focused
on
one
city
out
of
this
entire
state,
something
about
that
seems
to
be
wrong,
and,
mr
chairman,
I
will
have
some
questions
later
on.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
In
response
to
that,
I
would
say
that
memphis
is
unique
in
a
situation
where
they
have
over
a
shortage
of
700
plus
police
officers.
They
have
a
shortage
of
firefighters
that
is
growing
increasingly
and
it's
time
to
put
politics
aside
and
do
what's
best
for
the
citizens,
and
you
know
I
feel,
like
this.
Legislation
addresses
a
great
need
for
memphis
and
you
know
I
work
in
memphis.
D
I
have
been
a
shelby
county
resident
for
many
years
before
I
moved
into
my
district,
so
memphis
is
shelby.
County
is
home,
it's
my
childhood
years,
and
this
is
very
important
to
to
many
of
us
and-
and
I
understand
your
concerns
representative
and
anything
we
can
do
to
try
to
address
those
concerns.
I'm
more
than
happy,
and
I
think
the
chairman
is
as
well.
D
You
know,
but
I
think
all
of
our
intent
here
is
to
help
the
memphis
police
chief
in
her
efforts
and
to
fight
the
crime
that
we
see
happening
every
day
and
you
know
and
represent
miller.
I
respect
you
greatly
and
take
a
lot
of
advice
from
you
and
I
respect
you
know
what
you're
saying.
So.
I
think
that
we're
glad
to
have
those
discussions
as
we
push
this
out
to
full
committee
and
and
continue
to
help
in
this
posture.
C
So
we
need
to
do
what
we
can
to
help
the
locals.
I
don't
think
we're
heavy-handed
toward
memphis
or
anybody
else.
I
think
we,
this
is
going
to
help
them
greatly
staff
up-
and
you
know
it's
just
like
in
in
the
prison
guards
when
you're
short-handed
200
guards
at
a
prison
that
endangers
the
guards
that
are
there
and
the
prisoners
and
no
matter
what
somebody's
done
it's
in
jail
when
we
take
them
into
custody.
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
First,
let
me
take
my
hat
off
to
all
of
our
first
responders.
I
respect
the
jobs
that
you
all.
Do
you
all
run
into
buildings
that
other
people
are
running
out
of
you
all
run
into
situations
that
other
people
are
running
from,
so
I
really
appreciate
all
that
you
all
do
on
a
daily
basis.
G
G
H
Is
unique
to
the
to
the
problems
that
memphis
has
I'm
further
away
from
memphis
than
anybody?
So
it's
not
a
personal
thing
with
me,
but
I
do
represent
an
area
that
is
very
close
to
the
border.
I
border
another
state
and
if
it
was
not,
if
it
was
not
for
certain
things,
you
know
I've
got
one
side
of
the
street,
that's
in
tennessee
one
side,
that's
in
virginia
and
we
need
men
and
women
that
can
do
the
job
that
have
been
trained
to
do.
H
H
I
don't
think
it's
meant
to
single
memphis
out
in
any
way,
but
I
don't
know
other
than
maybe
davidson
county
or
nashville
that
gets
close
to
the
size,
police
force
and
emergency
services
than
memphis.
So
again,
I
don't
think
it's
meant
to
single
them
out
or
say
that
they're
doing
anything
wrong
or
they
can't
handle
it.
I
think
that's
a
personality
thing.
I
think
this
is
what's
best
for
the
people
that
live
in
that
area,
our
constituents
and
anytime.
We
can
do
anything
to
make
our
community
safer.
E
E
We
all
have
a
shared
vision
together
that
we
want
to
live
in
a
safe
neighborhood,
and
I,
like
the
two
gentlemen
from
shelby
county
part
of
me-
thinks
wait
a
minute.
Why
are
we
limited
just
to
shelby
county?
But
when
I
ask
that
question,
I
also
look
over
my
shoulder
and
I
realize
that
I
have
the
chamber
of
commerce
from
shelby
county
here.
I
have
the
police
chief
from
shelby
county
here
I
have
the
fire
union
president
from
shelby
county.
Here
I
have
the
memphis
city
police
union.
E
Here
you
know
what
I
didn't
see
out
here
is
those
powerful
individuals
with
the
boots
on
the
ground
that
are
over
life's
from
other
counties,
asking
us
to
fix
this,
but
I
do
see
these
people
who
we
all
have
mad
respect
for,
and
we
also
have
the
mayor
of
memphis
supporting
this.
So
when
I
see
that
we
have
these
type
of
individuals
coming
here
saying,
would
you
please
get
this
fixed
in
such
a
way
that
we
can
enjoy
our
shared
vision
of
a
safe
neighborhood?
E
E
This
is
an
area
of
tennessee
that
needs
some
help
right
now
and
I,
like
representative
calvi,
said
this
is
going
to
be
an
example
to
the
rest
of
the
state
of
tennessee
that
we
don't
need
your
mayor.
We
don't
need
your
police
chief.
We
don't
need
your
union
presidents
to
come
up
here
for
us
to
fix
it,
because
we've
already
made
a
statement
in
the
state
of
tennessee
that
we
believe
the
police
chief,
the
fire
chief,
should
be
able
to
hire
whoever
they
think
they
need
to
hire
to
keep
those
neighborhoods
safe.
E
This
is
a
statement
to
all
of
tennessee,
of
where
the
legislature
is
and
if
somebody
does
have
an
issue-
and
there
is
a
city
who
gives
this
kind
of
issues
and
creates
this
problem
for
their
citizens,
then,
if
we
have
to
address
it,
we
will
but
right
now
nobody
else.
Nobody
else
has
asked
us
to
address
it,
except
your
people
and
that's
what
we're
doing.
F
A
Representative,
this
time
I
have
people
who've,
given
a
required
24-hour
notice.
I've
spoken
with
them
at
this
time,
they've
declined
they
will.
If,
if
this
goes
out
of
committee,
they
will
be
back
to
full
committee
and
they
respectfully
asked
to
be
on
the
list
and
I
will
honor
anyone
who
would
like
will
go
out
of
session.
Anyone
on
that
list.
It
was
provided
pursuant
to
the
rules
of
the
committee
that
would
like
to
give
testimony
we'll
go
out
of
session
and
hear
it
if
they'll
raise
their
hand,
I
see
no
hands
so
representative
miller.
E
E
I've
been
told,
there's
700
officers
short
in
the
city
of
memphis,
with
the
passage
of
this
bill
that
will
open
up
to
where
they
can
close
the
gap
being
700
officers
short
and
I've
been
told
also
by
your
your
fire
union
president,
that
he's
about
200,
firefighters,
short,
and
he
says,
with
the
passage
of
this
bill,
it
will
help
the
camaraderie
and
he
he
feels
like
that.
If
we
don't
get
this
pass,
he
could
lose
upwards
of
50,
pretty
quick.
So.
E
E
E
About
600.,
don't
live
in
in
memphis,
and
one
thing
she
said
this
morning,
I'd
like
the
committee
to
hear
this.
It
kind
of
kind
of
brought
it
around
to
me.
She
has
a
female
officer
who
lives
in
the
neighborhood
that
she
was
working
at
and
recently
she
has
ran
into
people
that
she's
arrested
several
times
at
the
grocery
store.
E
F
As
a
statewide
bill
and
we
had
a
good
conversation
in
your
office-
and
I
said-
hey
I'm
open
to
this-
I
don't
understand
why
it
is
so
difficult
in
shelby
county
for
our
department
to
recruit
individuals
within
the
county
within
this
within
the
state
of
tennessee.
I
don't,
I
don't
matter
of
fact:
I've
seen
the
commercials
fifteen
thousand
dollars
sign
on
bonuses,
you
know,
and
I'm
thinking
really
that
that's
great.
F
E
Chair
representative,
I'm
not
going
to
speculate.
I
have
some
ideas,
I'm
not
going
to
speculate
about
that.
If
this
committee
was
so
inclined,
we
will
definitely
have
witnesses
in
full
committee
of
next
week.
I
didn't
see
anybody
raise
your
hand
to
testify
today,
but
next
next
week
I'm
sure
they
can
and
I'm
sure
that
the
police
chief
would
come
see
you
after
committee.
A
A
I
I
H
You,
mr
chairman,
chairman
halsey,
if,
if,
if
we
give
the
authority
to
our
local
criminal
court
judges
to
do
this
does
not
give
them
the
authority
to
get
rid
of
fire
whatever
the
word
is.
If
the
court
case
comes
out
and
they're
convicted,
then
you
would
still
have
to
go
through
the
ouster
process
and
due
process
would
be
served
before
they
were
removed,
correct
they.
I
H
H
But
I
think
this
would
catch
a
lot
of
people
off
guard
or
at
least
surprise
them.
We
do
have
this
problem
in
the
state
of
tennessee.
We've
actually
had
constables
who
are
under
indictment
for
felony
charges
even
and
they're,
still
out
wearing
the
uniform
and
the
gun,
pulling
people
over
and
and
trying
to
to
give
tickets
and
serve
papers
when
they're
in
worse
shape
a
lot
of
times
than
than
the
people
they're
dealing
with.
Is
that
correct
chairman.
A
A
A
The
next
bill
on
the
calendar
was
by
vice
chairman
bomb
1864,
and
he
is
currently
presenting
a
bill
in
the
hearing
room
right
across
the
hallway,
so
we'll
roll
that
without
objection,
we'll
roll
house
bill
1864
to
the
heel
hearing,
no
objection,
let's
roll
to
the
hill.
The
next
bill
is
house
bill
1693
by
representative
campbell.
Is
there
a
motion
on
them?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
house
bill.
1693,
representative
campbell,
you
are
recognized,
sir.
J
J
H
Finally,
mr
chairman,
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
kind
of
have
already
had
in
place
to
an
extent
and
we're
just
basically
codifying
it
keeps
the
people
from
east
tennessee
to
have
to
drive
to
west
tennessee
to
get
their
training
and
vice
versa.
West
tennessee
don't
have
to
drive
to
nashville.
They
can
get
that
within
their
area,
which
saves
money
and
also
saves
time.
Is
that
correct
representative.
A
There
any
other
questions.
Any
other
comments
for
the
speaker
sponsor
the
bill
is
their
objection
to
the
question.
Hearing,
no
objection,
we're
voting
on
house
bill,
1693,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed,
say
no.
The
eyes
prevail
house
bill
1693
moves
the
next
available
calendar
of
local
government.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
A
K
K
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
house
bill
1704
that
addresses
local
government
conflicts
of
interest.
I
have
with
me
today,
individuals
from
the
comptroller's
office,
lauren,
webb
and
hayden
pendergrass
will
be
available
afterward
to
answer
questions.
If
there's
any
clarifications
necessary
county
government
typically
operates
under
three
financial
management
statutes,
such
as
county
purchasing
act
of
1957,
the
county
financial
management
system
of
1981
and
the
general
law.
K
The
conflict
of
interest
provisions
in
the
county,
purchasing
act
of
1957
were
not
amended
and,
as
a
result,
are
now
inconsistent
with
the
other
two
statutes
that
cause
confusion
on
interpretation.
This
legislation
makes
government
more
efficient
and
alleviates
the
conflict
of
interest
in
this
provision.
The
bill
mirrors
the
language
of
the
county,
financial
management
system
of
1981
and
the
general
law
by
adding
the
definitions
for
the
terms
controlling
interest,
direct
interest
and
indirect
interest.
K
F
F
A
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
know
why
I'm
jumping
up
and
down
this
morning
with
these
questions,
but
just
reading
this,
in
violation
from
a
class
d,
felony
offense
to
forfeiture
of
a
certain
compensation
and
even
removal
from
office.
I
guess
my
question
is:
if,
if
a
commissioner
or
county
official
doesn't
declare
that
I
have
a
direct
and
or
indirect
conflict,
they
have
to
declare
that
if
they
don't
declare
it,
then
they
could
be
removed
from
office.
F
A
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
doug
garrett,
with
the
office
of
legal
services
to
to
the
point
about
it.
Removing
the
felony
provision
there's
been
case
law
from
the
criminal
court
of
appeals
that
opined
that
to
apply
a
penalty
for
under
one
purchasing
act
differently
from
another
is
is
an
equal
protection
issue,
and
so
my
my
understanding
that
there
have
been
no
convictions
under
this
particular
provision,
since
it
was
enacted,
at
least
in
2000.
H
I
do
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
legal.
Can
you
tell
me
I
was
reading
the
very
last
sentence
of
this
and
if
an
official
is
removed
from
office
pursuant
to
this
bill,
we
will
be,
he
will
be
ineligible
for
the
same
or
similar
positions
for
a
10-year
period,
followed
the
date
of
the
violation
under
current
law.
H
L
L
I
think
at
this
point,
based
on
the
way
it
reads
would
be
sufficient,
would
would
take
care
of
that
issue
now,
if,
if
any
other
part
of
the
behavior
of
a
person
in
such
a
position,
did
constitute
a
felony
under
the
criminal
code,
then
then
certainly
that's
something
that
would
have
to
be
taken
into
account.
Chairman
crawford.
H
A
A
A
B
Thank
you,
chairman
moon.
This
is
another
bill
that
clarifies
parts
of
our
code
that
deal
with
public
finance,
in
particular
the
part
that
addresses
how
a
municipality
or
local
government
can
raise
money
for
capital
projects.
There
are
three
parts.
The
first
part
clarifies
that
a
designee
of
the
municipality
can
receive
and
seek
information
on
rates
for
financing
capital
projects
that
the
designee
does
not
necessarily
have
to
be
a
financial
advisor.
B
B
The
second
part
of
this
would
clarify
that
capital
outlay
notes
can
be
refunded,
with
either
general
obligation,
bonds
or
with
a
pba
loan.
A
public
building
authority
loan
provided
that
that
reissuance
meets
all
other
existing
statutes
and
as
as
provided
by
the
comptroller
and
the
third
part
of
the
bill,
clarifies
that
if
an
obligation
is
of
a
variable
rate
and
that
variable
rate
being
adjusted
is
contemplated
at
the
initial
issuance
of
the
obligation
that
that
does
not
constitute
a
refinancing.
B
A
B
A
A
H
You,
mr
chairman,
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
is
aware
at
12
o'clock
today
house
hearing
room
one.
The
full
committee
will
meet
also
this
afternoon
at
4
30
in
hearing
room
2.
I
believe
it
is.
We
will
have
the
property
and
planning
it'll
be
in
in
this
room
as
well,
and
the
chairman
of
that
committee,
mr
chairman
carr,
is
out.
He
is
having
surgery
today.
So
please
keep
him
in
your
thoughts
and
prayers
and
we
will
make
sure
we
get
his
committee
covered
today.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.