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House Local Government Committee- February 1, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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You,
mr
chairman,
in
committee,
this
members,
what
this
bill
simply
does
is
there's
a
it,
creates
an
opportunity
for
a
county
to
be
able
to
post
special
meetings
called
that
can't
meet
the
time
requirement
in
a
timely
manner.
And
if
you
look
at
the
amendment,
it's
all
in
in
in
the
first
after
section,
one
number
one,
it
says,
posting
the
notice
in
a
location
where
a
member
of
the
community
may
become
aware
of
such
notice
and
on
a
website
maintained
by
the
county.
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F
E
Simpi,
normally
sir,
it
would
stay
until
after
the
meeting
has
taken
place
and
then
the
county
clerk
would
step
in
and
make
sure
like
they
do
with
newspaper
ads.
They
will
get
a
photo.
A
picture
of
that
of
that
posting
on
the
website
make
sure
it's
time
stamped
and
the
county
clerk
would
be
responsible
for
those
records
moving
forward.
F
One
thing
I
really
like
about
this
bill.
It
actually
provides
a
longer
period
of
time
where
the
public
can
be
notified
of
this
meeting.
Special
call
meetings
are
just
that
there's
some
urgent
business
that
needs
to
take
place
before
the
next
regular
county
commission
meeting.
So
if
you
missed
the
newspaper
the
day
of
the
notice,
that's
one
shot
if
it
goes
on
the
website,
it's
up
for
numerous
days,
preferably
five
days,
at
least.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
E
Think
it
does
have
some
variance
there
like,
for
instance,
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
the
county
commission
will
publish
all
of
their
normal
meetings
there
and
then
some
of
them
will
take
that,
like
murray
county
does
and
we
put
that
on
our
website.
So
it's
always
there
at
all
times,
but
there
are
certain
deadlines.
Sometimes
I
I'm
please
don't
quote
me,
but
it's
like
maybe
10
days,
seven
day
notice.
Sometimes
it
gets
pretty
tricky
in
in
some
kind
steps
in
trouble
with
notifications,
chairman
williams,.
G
I,
like
chairman
moon,
said
earlier.
I
I
can
appreciate,
and
I
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
notify
the
public.
I
guess
my
only
concern
is:
is
there's
not
a
there's,
still
not
a
minimum
threshold
based
upon
what
I
see
in
the
bill,
so,
for
instance,
if
you
missed
a
deadline
and
it
required
10
days,
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
bottom.
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E
A
picky:
well,
I
think
if
you
get
into
that
minimum,
you
get
into
an
issue
there
of
well
how
we
determine
what's
minimum
it
could
be
different
for
different
entities.
I
think
the
public
would
make
notice
of
that,
and
I'm
sure
there
are
people
sitting
here
in
the
audience
that,
if
something
like
that
happened,
they'd
be
pouncing
on
that
right
away.
The
object
of
this
bill
isn't
to
allow
a
county
commission
to
hide
something
from
people.
G
Chairman
williams,
thank
you
under
the
given
example
that
I
just
gave,
though,
if,
if
the
deadline
was
seven
days-
and
you
missed
it
by
day,
because
the
publication
for
the
newspaper
then
there's
no
impetus
on
the
county
to
to
post
that
until
10
minutes
before
the
meeting.
I'm
just
concerned
that
you
would
meet
the
threshold
of
the
requirement
as
it
relates
to
notification
in
its
under
the
terms
of
this
bill.
But
it
wouldn't
really
give
notice
if
you
only
did
it
10
minutes
before
the
meeting.
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E
All
this
does
is
say
and
then
there's
and
I'm
trying
not
to
get
into
details
here,
because
I
don't
want
to
throw
anybody
under
the
bus
here
as
newspapers,
but
there
are
times
when
local
counties
try
to
do
something
in
the
letter
of
the
law
and
because
there's
a
difference
in
how
it
gets
in
there
they
miss
it
by
day.
Well
now
they
got
to
postpone
that
meeting.
They
have
to
re-enter
it
and
do
it
all
over
again.
E
If
the
county
meets
the,
if
the
county
does
everything
they
can
like,
their
attorney
should
keep
them
legal.
That's
what
he's
they're
paid
to
do
if
the
county
commission
said
hey
we're
going
to
have
a
special
call
meeting
tomorrow
on
this
big
issue,
the
county
attorney
should
step
in
and
say
that's
in
violation
of
state
law
you
have
to
you
have
to
try
to
this.
Is
the
letter
of
the
law
says
a
certain
amount
of
time?
G
G
I'm
just
concerned
that
there
wouldn't
be
enough
time,
even
if
they
missed
a
print
deadline
for
a
newspaper,
that
there
wouldn't
be
enough
time
for
an
attorney
to
get
with
the
county
mayor,
whoever
it
might
be,
because
this
would
have
my
understanding
be
any
public
public
meeting
as
it
relates
to
it.
Thank
you,
chairman.
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H
E
Chairman
some
picky,
then
they
would
not
be
able
to
participate
in
this,
sir,
okay,
because
it
says
specifically
in
the
bill
that
it
has
to
be
a
county
maintained
website.
There
are
some
counties
that
partner
with
chambers
of
commerce,
but
the
information
on
the
county
side
is
not
updated
on
a
regular
basis,
so
that
would
not.
That
would
not
count.
That's
why
this
amendment
was
filed
with
the
help
of
some
people
here
to
make
sure
that
you
have
to
have
a
county
maintained
website
and
is
current
enacted.
Sir.
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I
was
just
going
to
say
thank
you.
This
is
you
had
pointed
out
just
special
called
meetings.
This
is
really
needed
with
with
our
our
ability
to
communicate
with
the
public,
especially
in
a
special
called
meeting,
with
a
short
notice,
with
newspapers
going
out,
many
of
them
going
to
fully
digital
others
going
to
bi-weekly
it's
becoming
harder
and
harder
to
communicate,
and
this
gives
a
little
bit
more
flexibility,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill.
Thank
you,
sir.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
required
notice
is
not
changing
any
required
notice
time
that
is
in
place
right
now.
Chairman's
a
picky
that'd
be
correct,
sir.
The
only
thing
that
when
we
say
required
time
it's
the
required
time
of
the
publishing
entity
may
say
you
have
to
give
us
your
public
notice,
nine
days
in
advance
or
some
greater
period
than
the
actual
time
period
required
right
now
in
law,
for
the
entity.
The
county
commission,
for
example,
to
give
their
proper
notice
we're
not
changing
any
of
that
proper
notice
time
is
that
correct
chairman
sapiki,
I.
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F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
hopefully
to
clear
up
this
matter.
If
we
go
out
of
session
and
go
to
matt
to
our
legal
counsel
and
55105
is,
is
a
code
section
we're
dealing
with
adding
a
new
provision,
so
it
may
be
helpful
to
all
the
members
that
weren't
in
subcommittee
to
to
be
we'd
be
very
clear
on
which
section
of
the
code
we're
dealing
with?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Well,
I've
solved
the
problem.
Y'all
just
won't!
Listen
to
me.
If
you
would
add
radio
if
it
was
a
seven
day
period,
they
could
do
it
that
day,
there's
and
I'm
serious
about
this.
There's
no
time
to
have
to
print
anything.
You
verbally
can
put
it
on
and
announce
it
that
very
same
day,
and
you
would
really
solve
all
of
these
issues.
You're
talking
about.
B
I
Thank
you,
matt
money
from
legal.
Yes,
we're
we're
just
adding
a
new
subsection.
That
is
an
exception
from
the
general
requirement
that
you
have
a
five-day
publication
requirement
in
a
newspaper
general
circulation.
If
you
can't
meet
that
requirement,
that's
when
the
new
subsection
kicks
in
and
requires
a
reasonable
period
of
notice.
There's
other
parts
of
the
statute
for
special
meetings
in
different
contexts
that
specify
a
48-hour
period
is
adequate
and
I
think
that
would
probably
a
reasonable
person.
F
I
G
Thank
you
as
a
follow-up,
though
your
comments
say
that
it's
inferred
that
48
hours
would
be
the
minimum,
but
the
the
amendment
doesn't
necessarily
refer
to
the
48
hours.
So
is
there
anything
to
keep
someone
from
meeting
the
statute
if
it
were
46
hours
prior
to
the
meeting
special
call
meeting,
or
would
it
have
to
be
determined
by
the
courts
or
an
attorney.
I
I
think
if
you
got
to
the
point
where
you're
you
were
going
below
48
hours-
maybe
not
46
hours
but
maybe
30
minutes,
then
you
have
an
issue
that
where
you
may
have
some
litigation,
if
there's
an
issue
at
the
meeting
that
involves
someone's
involves
the
right
of
a
person,
they
want
a
court
to
look
at
it
and
that
probably
well.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
substantial
notice.
G
I
guess
that
was
the
reason
why
I
made
the
comment
about
a
minimum
requirements.
Bottom,
as
it
relates
to
the
variance
between
five
days
and
48
hours.
We
don't
clearly
give
a
bottom
in
this
language,
and
so
it
seems
to
me,
like
it
might
be
better
best,
clarified
and
statute
if
we
said
that
it
that,
even
if
this
means
is
utilized
that
it
can't
be
less
than
48
hours,.
F
A
B
C
C
We
were
concerned
about
the
original
bill
that
allowed
the
social
media
platform
to
satisfy,
know
this
requirements,
but
so
this
language,
that's
in
here,
noted
that
it
doesn't
have
the
five-day
minimum,
but
the
language
in
here
is
basically
from
a
court
of
appeals
case
in
1999
that
lays
out
a
criteria
for
special
call
meetings
under
the
open
meetings
act.
This
title
has
something
different
for
county
commissions.
C
That
goes
above
and
beyond
that
which
is
a
five-day
requirement
for
notice
for
special
meetings,
and
I
thought
that
what
the
bill
did
is
what
representative
wright
said,
which
was
you
can't
meet
the
deadline?
You
can't
meet
the
this
came
up
because
a
murray
county
commission
could
not
meet
the
deadline
of
the
paper
to
get
an
ad
in,
so
it
would
be
in
for
five
days
ahead.
C
B
B
J
Well,
thank
you.
My
name
is
dave
gould.
My
company
is
main
street
media
of
tennessee,
and
I'm
here
representing
the
tennessee
press
association,
I'm
on
the
board
of
directors,
and-
and
thank
you
for
for
having
me
here
today
and
I'm
here
to
say
that
tennessee
press
association
is
okay
with
this
bill,
but
also
want
to
make
a
few
comments
about
newspapers
and
public
notices.
As
members
of
our
organization
have
testified
in
the
past.
You
know
we
believe
the
publication
of
notices
in
local
newspapers
is
a
matter
of
transparency.
J
However,
we
all
know
the
media
landscape
has
changed
dramatically
in
the
last
20
years,
probably
more
so
than
at
any
time
since
the
invention
of
the
printing
press
and
while
we
continue
to
publish,
we
do
face
tremendous
odds.
While
google
and
facebook
have
used
monopolistic
practices
to
put
a
stranglehold
on
the
digital
ad
market,
the
rise
of
amazon
and
others
have
decimated
small
local
businesses
and
historically
they're
some
of
our
best
customers.
J
And
while
we
continue
to
publish
fearlessly
and
reach
millions
of
people
across
the
state,
there's
nothing
easy
about
our
industry
and
I've
been
asked
before
whether
or
not
is
it
is
a
responsibility
of
government
to
subsidize
newspapers
to
public
notice
advertising
and
the
answer
to
that
is
a
resounding
no.
As
a
small
business
owner
the
person
most
responsible
for
keeping
my
business
a
going
concern
is
me
and
like
most
small
business
owners,
I
work
tires
tirelessly
and
feel
a
tremendous
responsibility
to
my
employees.
J
The
tennessee
press
association
has
134
members
and
the
vast
majority
are
owned
by
people
like
me,
headquartered
here
in
tennessee,
where
small,
locally
owned
businesses
who
hire
local
people
and
invest
in
our
communities.
We
give
back
we're
an
important
resource
for
local
people
and
organizations,
and
we
care
deeply
about
our
cities
because
we
live
here
and
we
go
to
church
here
and
we
shop
here
and
send
our
kids
to
school.
J
As
for
those
who
believe
our
industry
is
dying,
I
present
my
company,
as
exhibit
a
I
founded
my
company
in
2013,
with
three
newspapers
and
10
employees,
and
we
had
3
000
subscribers.
Today
we
published
13
weekly
newspapers,
we
have
17
websites,
social
media
pages,
podcasts,
e-newsletters,
streaming,
videos
and
more.
We
have
60
employees
and
reach
about
2
million
people
a
month.
We
focus
on
local
local
news
and
that's
what
people
are
interested
in
reading
about.
J
That's
why
newspapers
like
ours
are
still
the
most
effective
way
to
distribute
information
about
public
notices,
and
there
are
others
like
me
all
across
the
state
who
are
working
as
hard
as
we
can
to
maintain
strong
local
media
businesses
to
ensure
we
can
stay
viable
and
continue
continue
to
be
the
most
effective
way
to
keep
citizens
informed
about
what's
going
on
in
their
communities.
Thank
you.
B
Any
questions
for
our
speaker
seeing
none,
mr
gold.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
today
taking
your
time
and
interest
in
this
bill.
Is
there
any
questions
for
legal
or
anybody
else,
if
not
we'll
go
back
into
session
without
objection
we're
back
in
session?
We
are
on
amendment
number
one,
two
one,
one,
two.