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House Public Service Subcommittee - March 31, 2021 - House Hearing Room 4
A
D
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee.
This
bill
provides
for
a
state
employee
who
is
a
veteran
that
has
a
service-connected
disability
of
30
percent
or
more
to
receive
36
hours
of
sick
leave.
To
go
to
an
appointment.
To
take
care
of
that.
Service-Connected
disability
can't
be
for
the
annual
physical.
It
can
only
be
for
the
service-connected
disability.
A
A
G
G
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
house,
bill
347
simply
adds
federal
law
enforcement
officers
to
the
current
statute
that
already
covers
state
county
and
municipal
public
employees.
When
we
passed
this
bill
years
ago,
we
failed
to
include
federal
law
enforcement,
such
as
fbi,
homeland
security,
so
this
simply
adds
them
any.
B
A
F
A
H
B
A
B
Yeah.
Thank
you
good
morning,
madam
chairman,
my
name
is
kevin
poe
I
represent
jefferson
county
as
the
circuit
court
clerk.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
and
committee
members
for
having
me
the
the
bill
today
that
we're
looking
looking
at
is
to
transfer
original
process
from
digital
format,
or
excuse
me
from
paper
format,
to
a
digital
record
to
come
in
line
with
107
121,
which
says
that
all
records
not
withstanding
any
to
the
contrary,
omits
original
process
currently.
B
A
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A
A
G
Chairman
in
july
of
2020
representative
jernigan
contacted
me
and
asked
if
I
would
be
willing
to
provide
relief
to
his
constituent,
mason
hunter
who's
here
today,
by
bringing
his
parcel
fully
into
wilson
county,
I
learned
that
mr
hunter's
property
is
bisected
by
the
davidson
county
and
wilson
county
line.
Most
of
his
home
is
in
davidson
county,
but
his
driveway
is
in
wilson
county.
As
a
result,
the
family,
the
family,
pays
two
property
tax
bills
for
their
one
home,
one
to
wilson,
county
and
one
to
davidson.
However,
the
hunter's
home
is
owned
for
wilson,
county
schools.
G
In
fact,
his
daughter
attends
wilson
county's
beautiful
new
green
hill
high
school,
which
is
just
five
minutes
away.
The
hunters
have
wilson
county
water
and
trash
pickup.
Their
cars
are
registered
in
wilson,
county
wima,
wilson,
county
emergency
management
management
is
the
responding
authority
to
calls
at
their
home,
in
addition
to
the
hunter's
children's
schools,
the
family
attends
church
in
wilson
county.
His
son
plays
baseball
in
wilson
county
and
his
daughter
plays
volleyball.
G
If
we
do
bring
mr
hunter's
parcel
into
wilson
county,
we
are
not
creating
an
island
because
behind
mr
hunter's
home
is
army
corps
of
engineers,
land
which
borders
the
lake
and
all
of
the
other
properties
in
davidson
county
about
which
it
has
been
well
falsely,
claimed
that
they
would
be
left
on
an
island.
They
really
would
not.
G
Before
we
filed
this
bill,
we
spoke
to
the
davidson
county
and
wilson
county
commissioners
to
see
if
they
would
be
willing
to
provide
relief
to
this
homeowner
by
bringing
his
parcel
fully
into
wilson
county
each
was
willing,
and
on
july
21
2020.
The
45-member
davidson
county
metro
council
voted
unanimously
to
ask
wilson
county
to
take
this
tiny
parcel
fully
into
wilson
county
and
to
send
the
lawmakers
notice
of
their
request.
G
They
did
so
on
august
10
2020,
the
25
member
wilson
county
commission,
voted
unanimously
to
accept
the
parcel
and
to
give
notice
to
the
lawmakers
of
their
vote
and
to
ask
us
to
file
a
bill
to
amend
the
county
lines
to
include
mr
hunter's
parcel
fully
in
wilson
county.
Mr
hunter
is
here.
If
the
committee
has
any
questions,
I
hope
that
the
committee
will
vote
today
to
grant
relief
to
this
tennessee
citizen
and
to
grant
the
wishes
of
the
davidson
county,
metro,
council
and
the
wilson
county
commission.
Thank.
A
D
Mason
hunter,
I
live
at
713,
general
kershaw
and
old
hickory
I've
been
a
resident
of
davidson
county.
Most
of
my
life.
I've
lived
in
east
nashville,
sylvan
park
west
end
hermitage
old
hickory.
I've
paid
over
almost
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
property
taxes
to
davidson
county,
but
this
property
is
unique.
D
My
main
driveway
is
only
one
on
the
street
that
you
access
through
wilson
county
and
you
have
to
go
down
to
my
house
in
davidson
county.
When
I
purchased
the
home,
it
was
advertised
as
wilson,
county
wilson
county
schools.
Once
we
got
into
the
closing.
We
realized
that
it
still
had
the
wilson
county
schools,
but
you
had
a
separate
property
tax
for
davidson
county,
so
I
pay
two
separate
property
taxes.
D
Put
it
this
way
when
my
son
goes
to
bed
at
night
he's
in
davidson
county
when
he
gets
up
in
the
morning
to
go,
get
his
clothes
on
he's
in
wilson
county
when
you
jump
off
my
diving
board
you're
in
wilson
county
when
you
swim
across
the
pool
to
get
a
beer
you're
in
davidson
county.
So
I'm
trying
to
simplify
my
life
as
senator
as
representative
lin
has
said
that
we
do
all
of
our
business
in
wilson
county.
D
You
know
I
had
to
pay
two
thousand
dollars
for
a
digital
survey
of
this
land
and
all
it
does
is
simply
take
my
land
and
tie
it
back
into
the
county
line.
Nobody
is
impacted
in
the
public
arena
at
all
with
this
property.
So
I
really
would
appreciate
your
consideration.
I've
never
met
any
of
these
folks
in
my
life
and
I've
been
so
impressed
by
what
you
do
in
addition
to
your
day,
jobs
and
it
was
a
bipartisan
effort,
all
started
with
larry
hager
and
metro
council.
D
J
G
A
A
K
A
A
C
C
Three
minutes,
thank
you,
I'm
deborah
fisher
and
I'm
with
tennessee
coalition
for
open
government,
and
we
track
public
records
and
open
meetings
issues
and
promote
open
government.
When
the
pandemic
occurred.
We
supported
the
ability
of
governing
bodies
to
meet
electronically
by
phone,
because
at
that
time
many
governing
bodies
could
only
meet
by
phone.
They
couldn't
do
it
by
zoom
and
so
forth.
We
have
real
concerns
with
this
bill.
We
know
that
the
representative
is
working
or
has
worked
on
one
amendment,
but
we
still
have
concerns
with
how
this
has
come
about.
C
First
of
all,
this
section
108
of
the
open
meetings
act
largely
just
applies
to
state.
It
was
developed
in
1990
and
largely
just
applies
to
state
commissions
and
governing
bodies
with
the
idea
that
they
have
to
travel
from
all
parts
of
the
state
to
get
to
one
place.
This
puts
in
hundreds
of
local
governing
bodies
utility
boards
solid
waste
boards,
water
boards,
boards
that
have
a
lot
of
power
over
people.
Many
of
them
have
eminent
domain
here
in
nashville.
C
C
You
know
it's
affecting
their
lives
and
they
show
up
before
the
board
meeting
they're
the
only
ones
there
in
person
the
governing
body
is
not
so
we
do
have
concerns
about
this
bill.
It
was
mentioned
that
municipalities
were
covered
in
section
108,
and
it
really
is
only
one
municipality,
the
city
of
belmead
that
was
put
in
there.
C
E
Ride
with
the
tennessee
municipal
electric
power
association.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
committee.
Members.
We
are
in
support
of
the
legislation
we
are
added
in
with
the
amendment,
and
we've
worked
on
the
amendment
to
add
in
the
governor's
requirements
under
the
executive
order,
none
of
the
requirements
that
are
in
the
executive
order
are
in
current
state
law,
so
under
the
governor's
executive
order,
it
does
allow
real
time
if,
if
a
board
is
meeting
either
one
person
or
all
the
board,
members
are
meeting
electronically.
E
Pre-Pandemic
utility
board
meetings
are
very
lightly
attended,
and
so,
if
a
the
public
has
access
to
it
to
watch
it
online,
we
think
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
people
that
are
going
to
be
watching
utility
boards,
something
that
would
be
different
under
if
this
bill
passes,
as
opposed
to
what
is
in
current
state
law
in
current
state
law.
If,
if
a
state
board
meets
under
this
statute
and
if
they
meet
all
electronically,
they
have
to
make
a
determination
to
the
secretary
of
state
of
why
they
met
only
elect
only
elect.
All.
E
Excuse
me
all
electronically.
Yes,
so
this
bill
would
restore
that
post
pandemic.
So
right
now,
if
say
after
covet,
19
a
utility
board
can
have
one
or
two
people,
but
meet
electronically
audio,
only
video
only
and
but
there
still
have
to
be
a
quorum
present.
If
there
is
not
a
quorum
present
at
the
meeting
location.
There
has
to
be
a
determination
of
why
that
happened,
filed
with
a
secretary
of
state
and
according
to
the
statute
that
the
secretary
of
state
has
to
file
a
report
with
the
general
assembly
every
year.
E
So
we
feel
with
this
legislation.
The
public
would
have
a
significant
increase
in
access
to
utility
board
meetings
and
that,
if
you
know,
however
many
utility
boards,
you
know
we're,
like
everyone
else,
we're
we're
wanting
to
get
back
to
normal
to
meeting
in
person
and
getting
and
getting
things
back
to
normal.
But
if
there
are
those
instances
where
the
post
pandemic
there
have
to
be
utility
boards
that
only
meet
virtually
that's
the
whole
entire
board
or
you
know
a
quorum
of
it
meet
electronically.
E
There
will
be
a
report
or
notice
sent
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
reports
sent
to
the
general
assembly.
Anyone
that
does
appear
audio
only
has
to
identify
themselves
every
time
they
talk
during
the
meeting
and
on
the
coordinate,
governor's
executive
order
which
have
included
the
legislation.
All
votes
have
to
be
roll
call
votes,
so
you
know
who
is
voting
on.
You
know
anything
and
any
vote
as
simple,
as
you
know,
approving
the
minutes
or
and
increasing
rates
if
they
are
participating
electronically.
A
E
E
J
Thank
you.
My
question
is
about
the
roll
call.
What
what
would
be
your
just
to
put
on
the
record?
What's
your
definition
of
roll
call,
because
what
we're
having
right
now
in
metro
nashville
is
everybody
say
they
say
if
you
want
to
be
recorded
as
a
no,
then
you
record
yourself
in
the
know.
They
assume
everybody
else
is
a
yes.
I
want
to
know
your
definition
of
roll
call
for
this
bill.
E
I
would,
I
would
say,
I've
watched
the
metro
council
meetings
that
you
that
you
talked
about
our
utility
boards
are
not
40
members,
so
you
know
we
have
some
utility
boards
at
least
municipal
electric
utilities
that
are
small
as
three
members.
So
it
should,
you
know,
and
we
have
most
of
ours
are
five
but
they're
usually,
but
they
can
be
as
small
as
three.
I
think
we
have
some
that
are
even
have
even
have
seven
board
members.
E
So
a
roll
call
vote
to
me
would
be
what
you
all
take
as
a
roll
call
vote,
if
you
say
the
name
and
then
record
and
record
the
vote,
but
I
think
there
may
be
other
definitions
of
what
a
roll
call
vote
would
be,
but
that
would
be
my
definition
of
it
and
and
if,
if
that's
something
we
need
to
to
clear
up
for
the
legislation,
this
would
not
apply
to
the
metro
council.
It
was
mentioned.
The
solid
waste
board
would
not
apply
to
the
solid
waste
board.
J
K
K
So
this
is
important
to
my
county,
but
it's
well
thought
out
and
I
appreciate
miss
fisher,
bringing
her
concern
because
we
actually,
after
thinking
about
it,
did
want
to
put
some
more
sunlight
on
this
and
I
think,
putting
that
provision
in
the
amendment
so
that
people
could
get
on
there
electronically
and
see
the
meeting
was.
It
was
a
very
necessary
and
good
addition
to
this
legislation,
but
I'll
take
any
questions.
J
K
Me,
I'm
chairman.
Yes,
I
think
the
the
intention
here
is
that
there
is
a
quorum
present.
The
meeting
goes
on
as
normal,
but
you
have
one
person
that
maybe
is
in
quarantine
or
maybe
there,
for
whatever
reason
they
can't
physically
make
it
and
they're
able
to
to
participate
electronically.
That's
the
intention
of
this,
but.
J
A
A
L
L
A
A
A
M
M
M
The
2006
extraordinary
session
enacted
legislation
requiring
a
one-year
cooling
off
period
for
both
elected
members
of
the
general
assembly
and
cabinet
members
of
the
administration
house
bill
1050,
would
add
all
employees
of
the
administration
to
this
requirement.
The
professionals
in
these
positions
work
at
the
pleasure
of
the
governor
and
their
commissioners.
M
M
What
better
opportunity
to
learn
how
to
be
an
effective
communicator
than
to
have
it
first-hand
experience
in
this
realm?
These
employees
work
countless
hours
to
help
our
governor
and
our
legislature
serve
their
constituents.
So
to
be
penalized
by
a
year,
cooling
off
period
before
they
would
be
allowed
to
take
their
next
step
in
a
career
seems
egregious.
M
This
bill
would
basically
give
precedence
to
newcomers
overseas
and
veterans
that
have
worked
with
and
for
you
I
can't
help,
but
ask
what's
this
bill
trying
to
solve.
Why
would
we
want
to
stifle
a
staffer's
ability
to
advance
and
continue
to
add
value
to
the
process,
and
I
would
like
to
say,
while
it
says
it
brings
these
employees
equal
to
cabinet
and
legislators,
if
I
may,
cabinet
members
and
legislators
have
careers
outside
of
this
place.
You
come
here
as
a
citizen
legislature.
M
L
Thank
you
for
that.
Certainly
someone
that's
been
through
the
gauntlet.
If
you
will
that
you-
and
I
all
deal
with
daily
sets
them
up
very
well
to
be
a
lobbyist.
There's
no
doubt
about
that.
To
imply
that
somehow
a
job
in
government
service
is
a
training
ground
for
lobbyists.
I
don't
know
that.
That's
a
good
idea,
but
I
didn't
want
to
go
down
that
path.
Too
far.
We
have
got
right
now,
people
that
have
the
exact
same
knowledge.
L
They
know
where
the
bones
are
buried.
If
you
will,
they
know
how
the
system
works,
and
it's
set
up
a
process
where
maybe
not
nefariously,
but
possibly
people
can
take
jobs.
Walk
out
of
the
governor's
office.
Sign
a
contract
for
lord
knows
how
much
money
to
make
some
big
contract
come
through
for
some
person's
dream
project,
that's
funded
by
the
taxpayers
of
the
state
of
tennessee
that
people
make
decisions
on
where
they
work,
who
they
work
for
is
a
process
that
every
tennessean
goes
through.
At
some
point,
we've
all
made
a
decision.
L
Am
I
going
to
follow
this
path?
Am
I
going
to
follow
another?
We
make
arrangements,
we're
adults,
we
plan
for
things,
that's
what
we
do
so
to
say
that
someone
is
prohibited
from
making
a
career
change
because
they
have
to
lay
out
12
months.
I'm
not
sure
that
that
carries
water.
Does
it
take
a
little
extra
planning?
No
doubt
about
it?
Is
it
something
that
stops
them
from
making
the
leap?
Absolutely
not.
F
F
B
L
Fair
point:
the
one-year
layoff
doesn't
give
you.
It
doesn't
put
you
in
a
position
where
you've
forgotten
your
contacts.
What
it
can
do,
though,
is
create
space
from
perhaps
legislation.
That's
in
the
works,
perhaps
legislation
that
affects
building
projects,
road
projects,
things
where
friends
of
friends
can
come
together
and
make
things
happen.
It
does
put
some
space
there
and
I
don't
think
to
your
point.
I
don't
think
the
12
months
causes
people
to
lose
those
contacts.
L
J
L
C
A
N
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members.
This
was
brought
to
me
by
speaker
pro
tim
hale
and
it's
an
issue
he's
been
working
on
for
roughly
three
years
he's
working
in
this
legislation.
It
works
to
provide
relief
to
local
governments
that
are
dealing
with
individuals
whose
sole
purpose
is
to
interfere
with
the
government
operations
by
making
massive
record
requests
for
no
other
reason
than
to
cost
government
time
and
money.
N
I've
got
an
example,
one
of
the
examples
that
was
brought
to
speaker
pro
tim
hale
specific
to
this
bill
and
then
I'll
explain
the
amendment.
Let
me
just
give
the
give
an
example
as
to
what
we're
talking
about
so
you'll
have
some
context.
When
I
explain
the
amendment
in
sumner
county,
they
have
had
an
issue
where
one
particular
gentleman
has
been
requesting
massive
amounts
of
information
from
through
public
a
massive
amount
of
information.
N
Public
records
requests
that
the
amount
of
time
is
roughly
two
to
three
weeks
that
is,
is
spent
to
gather
this
information.
Then
the
individual
has
been
coming
in
and
reviewing
the
information
for
roughly
30
seconds,
not
taking
ownership
of
it.
So
that
way,
there's
no
cost
incurred
to
him,
and
then
he
simply
turns
around
and
leaves
and
then
makes
another
request
to
the
point
that
the
department
has
had
to
create
a
new
room
with
a
computer
set
up
with
one
person
dedicated
to
review
the
large
amounts
of
files
and
papers
involved.
N
N
After
the
requester
has
been
provided
notification,
the
records
custodian
can
request
an
enjoyment
after
the
requester
has
made
five
of
these
requests
that
they
believe
and
they
that
they
believe
is
their
sole
intent
to
disrupt
government
operation.
The
rest,
the
requester,
has
continued
to
make
these
requests
even
after
being
notified
of
the
abuse
of
the
request.
Even
after
the
petition
is
filed,
the
requester
can
can
continue
to
make
the
request.
N
That's
what
this
amendment
does
and
it
does
sunset
at
2025
in
2025,
so
this
will
run
for
a
couple
of
years
to
see
if
this
solves
the
problem
and
then
this
body
will
need
to
take
additional
action.
So
hopefully
I
explain
that
well
enough,
and
you
have
the
amendment
in
front
of
you
and
I'll
be
glad
to
take
any
questions.
B
N
Yep,
thank
you
speaker,
so
what
this
does
I'll
I'll
without
reading
this,
what
what
it
will
do
is
it
will
allow
the
records
custodian
after
the
after
this
person
has
made
five
requests,
so
this
particular
person
taken
take
the
sumner
county
example.
I
mean
literally,
it
was
two
to
three
weeks
worth
of
work
for
a
request
based
on
a
traffic,
stop
that
I've
got
more
details
on
this
particular
case.
But
this
is
the
best
case
in
the
city
of
gallatin.
There
was
a
traffic
stop.
N
N
So
this
says
that
you
get
five
of
those
requests
and
after
the
fifth
request,
then
the
record
custodian
can
then
petition
to
stop
you
from
filing
these
requests,
because,
after
the
fifth
request,
it
becomes
very
clear
that
you
were
just
doing
this
to
be
burdensome
and
create
undue
burden
on
local
governments,
and
it's
costing
the
taxpayers
literally.
Thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars-
sumner,
for
example,
literally,
has
had
to
dedicate
one
person
in
one
room
with
equipment.
Just
for
these
blasted
requests.
B
Why
why
would
we
want
to
wait
five
requests?
Why
not
do
it
after
one?
Well,
if
he
that's
all,
he
did
was
look
at
it
and
walk
out.
You
knew
he's
playing
a
game
and
I'm
sure
that
we
got
to
give
the
public
the
right
to
look
at
this.
But
if
we
know
I
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
figure
out
that
you
know
they're
they're
doing
this
on
purpose,
I
think
five
is
too
much,
but
chairman.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
madam
chair
speaker.
I
agreed,
but
I
think,
to
be
fair
and
to
make
sure
that
we
are
error
on
the
side
of
caution
in
terms
of
all
open
records,
requests
and
making
sure
that
we're
leaning
on
the
side
of
transparency
we're
going
to
give
five,
but
I'm
sure
there
are
warnings
that
can
be
provided
to
that
person
as
they
get
close
to
that
number.
N
J
J
A
N
A
O
O
O
Madam
chair,
once
again,
this
bill
actually
made
it
all
the
way
through
to
the
household
last
year
and
because
of
things
that
happened
with
us
getting
out
of
kobus
and
senate
side
not
being
able
to
get
to
and
they're
moving
pretty
good
with
this
year,
we
didn't
get
a
chance
to
complete
this
work.
What
this
amendment
does,
however,
it
explains
actually
what
a
hate
group
is
coupled
with
what
they
didn't.
Do
they
didn't
spell
out?
O
What
I
wanted
to
to
make
sure
was
included
in
here
is
gangs,
because
gangs
are
where
we
found
that
they
have
infiltrated
the
police
department
across
the
country,
and
so
that
should
have
been
included
in
that.
So
that
amendment
addresses
those
two
issues
gains
as
well
as
spelling
out
what
a
hate
group
is,
and
essentially
that's
what
the
amendment
does
it.
It
doesn't
make
the
bill,
but
it
enhances
the
bill.
O
Well,
our
law
enforcement
is
very
clever.
Now.
What
they
have
told
us
is
that
one
of
the
greatest
ways
that
they
ascertain
information
is
when
there's
a
breakup,
girlfriends
call
and
tell
it.
People
tell
it
and
then
the
young
people
are
so
I'm
going
to
say
non-astute
they
post
stuff
everywhere
you
go,
there's
a
trail.
I
mean
it's
like
the
whole
life
of
the
trail,
so
it's
really
cool
to
them.
It's
easy
for
them
to
acquire
that
information.
O
You
know
it's
like
the
fbi,
you
know
they
have
a
lot
of
tools,
and
so
they
can
find
it,
and
eventually
it
comes
out.
They
get
cocky
get
confident
it
comes
out,
maybe
at
a
party
or
whatever
people.
You
know
my
basic
innovations
get
a
little
low
and
it
just
comes
out,
but
the
police
officer,
the
force
needs
to
know
what
they're
dealing
with
they
really
do.
B
Speaker
marsh,
thank
you,
madam
chairman.
I
would
think
that
most
law
enforcement
agencies
would
do
a
background
check
and
and
do
all
kind
of
work
trying
to
make
sure
they're
hiring
a
good
person.
Would
that
change?
Would
this
add
any
more
work
to
them
or
just
make
sure
just
tell
them
make
sure
you
check.
O
A
O
Thank
you
man
as
amended.
What
the
bill
does.
I
just
explained
the
amendment,
but
what
the
bill
really
does.
It
allows
our
law
enforcement
agencies
once
they
find
out
this
information,
either
prior
to
or
after
which
is
most
critical,
that
they
can
allow
these
people
to.
They
can
discriminate
them
and
there's
no
recourse
for
them,
because
it
is
the
law
that
you
cannot
be
involved
in
these
kinds
of
groups
and
be
a
member
of
the
police
department
or
law
enforcement,
and
so
that
protects
them.
I
think
against
lawsuits
and
things
of
that
nature.
A
C
You
elizabeth
stroker,
I'm
the
legislative
director
and
assistant
general
counsel
for
the
department
of
safety
and
thank
you
to
representative
towns.
He's
been
working
with
us
on
this
bill
for
the
past
year
and
we've
got
it
to
a
good
spot.
We
think
it's
a
good
idea
and
we
certainly
don't
want
these
individuals
to
be
especially
not
within
the
tennessee
highway
patrol.
We
just
needed
to
clean
up
some
of
the
language
so
that
we
had
some
guidance
on
to
make
sure
it's
consistent
with
what
we
do
and
so
we're
comfortable
with
it.
As
amended.
A
A
L
A
A
H
You,
chairman
members,
this
amendment
makes
the
bill.
Currently
the
department
of
safety's
radios,
the
troopers
use,
are
soon
going
to
be
replaced
and
because
and
purchased
newer
models,
because
the
department
would
like
to
give
these
old
radio
would
like
to
use
these
old
radios
refurbish
them
and
give
them
the
local
law
enforcement
in
distressed
counties
under
current
state
law.
It's
not
allowed
for
them
to
give
these
radios
to
local
governments.
This
amendment
adds
a
narrow
exception
for
the
surplus
property
law,
which
would
allow
safety
to
do
this
in
this
very
narrow
circumstance.
A
C
C
A
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
chair
lady
members.
This
amendment
which
rewrites
the
bill
is
titled
the
defense
of
liberty
act,
as
many
of
you
may
know.
Currently
the
the
federal
government
and
the
courts
have
made
many
decisions
which
impact
state
law.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
the
ability
or
standing
in
federal
courts
to
be
able
to
defend
our
laws
as
it
relates
to
our
individual
states.
H
So
what
this
bill
would
do,
it
would
create
the
office
of
solicitor
general,
which
would
be
elected
by
the
legislative
body
so
that
this
body
could
fund
and
direct
the
solicitor
general
to
sue
in
federal
courts.
If
you
look
in
section
8
six
section
503
section
b1,
it
determines
what
those
the
what
the
abilities
for
this
solicitor
general
would
be,
and
that
is
to
defend
the
interests
of
state
and
federal
court
and
administrative
proceedings
with
the
resolution
of
proceedings
which
may
negatively
impact
the
state.
H
This
is
a
novel
idea.
I've
heard
from
my
district
and
across
the
state
that
they're
concerned
that
the
federal
bureaucracy
is
changing,
who
we
are
and
our
individual
identities
as
states.
This
would
give
us
an
opportunity
to
find
standing
ensue
in
courts
and
be
directed
by
the
legislature
to
do
to
do
so,
since
we
are
the
legislative
body
who
makes
the
laws
for
our
state
with
that
chair
lady,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Any.
H
B
H
They
this
allow
this
would
allow
the
solicitor
general
to
file
amicus
brief.
In
the
instance
on
behalf
of
the
legislature,
in
the
instance,
the
attorney
general,
wouldn't
those
duties
that
the
attorney
general
had
is
as
a
part
of
this
bill
as
it
relates
to
federal,
would
be
handled
by
the
solicitor
general
okay.
Thank
you.
A
A
B
I
I
We
would
convene
on
the
tuesday
following
labor
day
if
there
is
no
business
that
is
pressing
at
that
time,
we
would
meet
in
a
quorum
in
the
legislative
chamber
in
the
house
chamber
in
the
senate
chamber,
and
we
would
adjourn
if
there
were
work
to
be
done
and
there
are
very
limited
scope
of
ideas
and
options
that
can
come
up.
If
there
were
work
to
be
done.
We
would
start
the
tuesday
following
labor
day
and
there
would
be
a
hard
stop
on
september
30th
if
there
were
an
issue
that
needed
more
time
to
to
stew.
I
On
than
that,
we
probably
needed
to
wait
until
the
following
january
anyway,
so
this
bill
sets
up
the
parameters
to
have
that
legislative
session.
So
when
we
run
for
office,
we'll
have
an
idea
of
when
we're
going
to
be
here
when
we'll
be
called
into
nashville,
when
we
will
be
able
to
do
legislative
business,
I
know
I'm
not
the
only
one
in
the
room
that
that
has
thought
wow.
I
I
wish
we
were
in
legislative
session,
so
we
could
fix
that
invariably,
there's
something
that
comes
up
every
summer,
that
that
says,
could
we
should
we
call
a
special
session.
This
gives
us
a
more
set
time
frame
to
come
back
and
to
do
the
work
of
the
people
that
they've
asked
us
to
do
during
the
month
of
september.
So
with
that
and
pending
any
questions,
I
certainly
look
for
a
favorable
review
of
this.
J
I
In
my
experience,
invariably
there's
something
that
pops
up
a
supreme
court
decision,
something
the
federal
government
has
done
that
we
need
to
come
back
in
our
budget
document
is,
is
coming
to
an
end
and
we're
able
to
reconcile
our
budget
document
in
the
month
of
september
and
hear
a
report
on
that.
We
talk
about
special
summer
studies,
some
real
summer
studies
on
potential
issues.
This
would
give
us
a
week
or
a
time
frame
set
to
conduct
those
as
well.
I
If
and
when
a
true
summer
study
does
occur
on
a
piece
of
legislation,
so
this
is
an
idea
that
I've
had
for
four
or
five
years.
I've.
I've
been
told
that
I'm
four
or
five
years
ahead
of
my
time.
So
maybe
maybe
it's
caught
up
to
us
and
we'll
see
where
this
legislation
goes
now.
But
yes,
I
do
miss
you
when
you're,
not
here.
B
I
I
understand
and
if
I
could
address
that,
I
am-
and
I
understand
the
sometimes
this
is
said
about
congress
more
so
than
tennessee
general
assembly.
But
whenever
they're
in
session,
you
need
to
hide
your
wallets.
So
I
understand
where
you're.
Coming
from
the
the
fiscal
note
on
particular
piece
of
legislation,
we
have
a
legislative
budget
that
sets
forth
the
parameters
of
historically
a
90-day
time
frame
within
the
house
or
senate
chambers
over
a
two-year
time
frame
again
historical
basis.
I
We
have
been
over
the
last
decade
in
the
60s
in
terms
of
numerous
days
of
of
general
assembly
time
that
we
have
used
in
the
chamber,
so
this
I
feel
confident
and
will
go
to
it,
we'll
go
to
finance
and
we'll
have
a
broad
discussion
of
finance
if
the
bill
is
met
with
favor
in
this
committee
and
the
full
committee.
But
I
feel
confident
that
that
could
be
absorbed
within
the
traditional
general
assembly
budget
that
we
pass
every
year.
A
A
A
A
A
P
Thank
you
so
much,
and
so
this
this
bill
actually
makes
this
amendment
makes
the
bill,
and
so
with
this
this
bill.
What
it
would
do
would
allow
people
the
opportunity
who
are
elected
officials
to
be
able
to
take
off
time
while
they
are
here
doing
governmental
business
from
their
regular
job
for
up
to
800
hours,
which
is
about
five
months.
When
you
calculate
that
and
of
course
the
the
fridays
are
taken
out
in
the
case
that
you
have
like
meetings
during
the
summer
or
whatnot.
P
But
you
have
800
hours
to
use,
and
this
bill
came
about
actually
from
one
of
my
republican
constituents
who
would
love
to
be
able
to
run
for
public
office
but
was
unable
to
because
he
he's
unable
to
balance
that
that
amount
of
money
that
you
receive
as
an
elected
official
up
here
in
the
state
with
his
job
that
he
currently
works.
And
so
this
has
also
become
a
situation
that
I'm
I'm
kind
of
familiar
with.
P
Also
I'm
I
work
as
the
director
of
human
resources,
where
I
in
local
government
as
well,
and
so
with
my
job.
I'm
I'm
blessed
enough
to
be
able
to
do
this
role
and
that
one
and
have
enough
hours
to
take
off
fully
to
do
this.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
working.
People
are
people
in
that
work
at
city,
council,
city
and
local
and
commission
who
would
love
to
run
for
office
or
in
education
or
government
all
together?
P
Who
would
love
to
run
for
office
and
be
elected
officials,
but
they're,
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
balance
that
out.
So
this
bill
would
allow
that
by
giving
800
hours
a
a
a
year
to
be
able
to
to
take
off
that
time
and
then
anything
after
that
they
would
have
to
use
their
own
personal
leave
that
they
may
have.
P
This
would
only
be
for
governmental
entities,
so
if
you
work
for
a
local
local
government
in
some
form
state
government
in
some
form
I
mean
it
only
applies
to
elected
officials
on
the
state
side,
our
governor,
if
the
governor,
having
a
separate
job
and
wanting
to
do
this
at
the
same
time,
you'll
be
able
to
take
off
800
hours
from
whatever
the
job
was
that
he's
working
at.
But
it
has
to
be
a
government
entity
like
a
school
or
whatnot.
H
A
F
A
F
Thank
you
very
much
committee.
What
this
legislation
does.
It
sets
up
a
committee
that
examines
a
the
tenth
amendment.
It's
a
or
examines
any
mandates
or
edicts
or
laws
or
executive
actions
that
come
down
from
the
federal
government
and
how
they
apply
to
the
states,
and
so
this
committee
would
be
comprised
of
members
of
the
house
and
the
senate,
where
the
speaker
of
both
houses
would
be
appointing
those
members
this
committee
would
meet.
F
They
would
examine
those
things
that
come
down
from
the
federal
government
and
then
see
how
they
line
up
constitutionally,
with
not
only
our
state
constitution
but
our
federal
constitution
and
how
they
apply
to
the
state.
What
the
amendment
did
was
put
in
a
mechanism
if
they
have
findings
that
say
this
is
unconstitutional,
that
they
would
be
able
to
recommend
to
the
general
assembly
a
method
of
how
to
go
about
for
nullification
without
enforcing
those
laws
that
this
committee
and
the
general
assembly
finds
to
be
unconstitutional.
J
You
know
the
under
the
supremacy
clause:
we
don't
have
the
power
to
nullify
a
federal,
a
federal
law.
I
guess
we
could
nullify,
but
we
we
would
lose
all
the
you
know.
I
guess
the
money
that
comes
with
it,
but
I
don't
I
don't.
We
don't
have
the
power
to
to
notify
a
law
in
congress,
I'm
fairly
certain
of
that
we
fought
a
whole
war
about
it.
F
A
F
J
J
J
F
F
A
J
But
I
don't
think
we
have
the
authority
to
nullify
any
federal
law
that
comes
around,
but
I
mean
if
it's
just
setting
it
up
for
a
recommendation
as
long
as
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
my
comment
for.
I
think
this
would
probably
the
10th
amendment's
been
struck
down
quite
a
bit
from
federal
law,
but
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from.
I
appreciate
your
comments.
A
J
A
D
D
I
would
argue
that
that
health
care
is
the
least
transparent,
least
market-based
product
and
service,
that
there
is
out
there
it's
worse
than
higher
education,
if
you
will,
but
I'll
argue
that
our
state
employees
and
the
taxpayers
are
paying
way
too
much
for
health
care
costs,
ralph
weber,
where
I
come
up
with
this
bill
about
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
I
was
driving
up
here,
and
I
was
thinking
about
our
health
care
system
and
how
it's
kind
of
gotten
cattywampus.
My
dad
always
used
that
term
cattywampus.
D
He
was
world
war
ii
guy,
and
I
got
a
sister
in
a
nursing
home
that
couldn't
get
no
response
back
from
her
insurance
company
and
she's
on
life.
Support.
Think,
thankfully,
she's
alert
now
still
nursed
home
lost
everything
she
owned,
even
though
she
had
insurance
and
I
kept
thinking
man,
we
got
to
do
something
about
health
care.
D
We
have
got
to
do
something
to
shed
some
light
on
health
care,
bring
costs
down,
bring
market-based
solutions
to
healthcare,
and
I
called
ralph
webber
used
to
be
a
constituent
of
mine,
he's
a
ceo
of
a
company
called
metabid.
If
you
just
google
metabid
on
youtube,
he's
been
on
cnn,
I
was
down
here
at
at
first
bank's
platform
down
there
for
a
conference.
Many
all
were
were
there
when
newt
gingrich
was
there
speaking.
Ralph
was
on
that
on
that
health
care
panel
there
he
said
mike.
D
If
you
really
want
to
solve
a
problem,
you
need
to
really
investigate
reference
based
pricing,
so
he
testified
right
here
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
I
think
we
distributed
his
book
to
y'all
last
well
last
year,
those
who
appear
last
year-
and
I
don't
know
all
about
health
care.
I
know
none
of
us
are
health
care
experts
up
here,
but
one
thing
that
he
pointed
out
that
that
was
interesting
to
me.
He
was
saying
in
network
we're
paying
six
percent
more
and
you
think
six
percent.
D
That's
not
a
lot
of
money,
you're
a
network!
It's
not
a
lot
of
money,
six
percent!
Well,
it's
96
million
dollars!
It's
96
million
dollars
that
we're
overpaying
is
what
he's
arguing,
maybe
he's
wrong.
But
if
he's
just
wrong
90,
that's
almost
10
million
dollars
that
we'd
save.
So
I
haven't
had
really
time
to
work
this
bill
to
get
to
all
the
members
up
here.
Really.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is:
is
I'm
hoping
that
that
the
general
assembly-
and
I
know
the
speaker-
cares
about
healthcare?
D
But
if
I'm
10
right,
we
just
saved
9.6
million
dollars
and
I
think
all
of
us
up
here.
I
know
every
one
of
you
personally
and
you
all
care
about
health
care.
I
know
you
do
democrats
and
republicans.
I
think
we've
moved
the
ball
forward.
I
think
we
can
move
it
forward
more
more
this
summer.
If
we
could,
we
could
study
this
over
the
summer
unless
you're
just
willing
to
vote
it
up
I'll,
take
that.
D
I
just
want
to
say
something
real
fast.
If
I
could
there's
somebody
in
this
audience,
I'm
not
going
to
call
the
per
the
name
out,
but
we
were
talking
about
healthcare
they're
sitting
here.
They
know
who
they
are.
You
may
watch
their
body
language
and
he
says
mike.
I
got
a
bill
for
two
thousand
dollars
of
the
day
about
two
thousand.
This
was
last
year.
He
says
I
checked
on
it.
I
didn't
have
to
pay
that
bill,
how
much
of
that
happens
in
and
and
with
health
care.
D
H
H
He
said
strong
families
make
for
strong
communities,
and
I'm
proud
that
tennessee
will
lead
the
nation
in
supporting
our
employees.
This
is
an
impactful
investment
in
the
state
workforce
and
will
allow
us
to
continue
to
attract
and
retain
the
best
workforce
possible,
and
I
can't
agree
more.
Unfortunately
that
never
happened.
H
This
is
an
attempt
to
make
good
on
that
promise
made
to
the
employees
under
this
bill
as
eligible
employees
will
be
entitled
to
a
total
of
12
work
weeks
of
paid
family
leave
during
the
12-month
period
immediately
following
the
qualifying
event.
That
could
be
time
with
a
new
child.
It
could
be
if
you
had
a
parent,
maybe
who
was
ailing,
you
had
to
make
arrangements
or
stay
with
them
for
a
time
or
if
you
know
you
became
sick
yourself
with
a
with
a
serious
illness.
H
H
Here's
why
it's
important
that
we
move
forward
today.
If
we
want
to
attract
the
best
and
brightest
employees
and
keep
them
happy,
we
have
to
make
the
state
a
great
place
to
work
and
what
we've
seen
in
states
that
have
passed
paid
family
leave
legislation,
that's
what
they
see.
They
see
workers
that
are
more
productive
happier
on
the
job
and
that
stay
with
them
longer
than
than
normal.
Then
that's
happened
across
the
board,
and-
and
just
this
week
georgia
passed
a
very
similar
legislation
to
this
pay.
H
Family
leave
is
associated
with
a
13
drop
in
infant
mortality,
and
69
percent
of
working
americans
believe
that
receiving
pay
parental
leave
is
important
when
they're
looking
for
a
job.
There
was
recently
a
study
done
by
one
of
the
national
legislative
groups
in
tennessee.
They
did
a
survey
in
tennessee
and
found
that
80
percent
plus
were
in
favor
of
paid
family
leave.
A
A
A
F
You,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
this
bill
is
to
try
to
give
the
voters
of
tennessee
an
additional
procedure
to
recall
elected
officials
that
there's
very
specific
provisions
in
it:
malfeasance
violation
of
law
or
incompetence.
We've
got
to
have
10
percent.
On
of
that.
This
is
not.
This
is
different
from
what
we've
got,
because
it's
my
understanding
of
tennessee
law.
Currently
the
voters,
don't
have
their
own
independent
way
to
do
it.
B
B
H
F
A
It's
been
an
honor
serving
with
everybody,
and
this
was
my
first
time
and
today
was
a
little
hectic,
but
I
have
to
thank
joshua,
houston
nathan,
witt,
my
assistant
samantha
and
then
just
everybody
and
sergeant
of
arms,
and
and
it's
been
it's
been
an
experience.
I've
enjoyed
it
but
today
has
been
kind
of
all
over
the
place.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience.
B
J
G
Madam
chair
members,
sorry
for
the
delay
I
was
in
another
committee
couldn't
get
out
what
this
bill
does.
Well,
let
me
give
you
a
little
history
back
in
2009,
but
actually,
when
I
first
got
to
the
general
assembly,
the
state
had
done
a
disparity
study
with
minority
contracting,
and
you
know
in
that
study
there
were
some
recommendations
made
and
policy
recommendations.
G
Funding
set
aside
that
is
still
sitting
in
the
treasury,
maybe
about
my
best
estimate
is
about
800
dollars
still
sitting
in
the
treasury
for
us
to
implement
those
recommendations.
We
never
implemented
the
recommendation,
and
so
what
I
thought
would
be
prudent,
since
it's
been
over
ten
years,
is
that
we
have
tasks
to
do
another
disparity
study
looking
at
state
contracting
with
minority-owned
businesses,
and
so
that's
what
this
bill
does
sets
up
a
study
by
tasa
to
do
that.
B
G
A
G
A
Thank
you
item
number
one
on
our
special
calendar
house
bill.
955
954
will
be
held
on
the
clerk's
desk
without
objection
so
ordered
any
further
questions
or
announcements
from
any
of
the
members.
Seeing
none
do
we
have
an
objection
I
mean.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
public
service
subcommittee
is
closed.
Subject
to
the
call
of
the
chair.