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House State Government Committee- March 9, 2021
A
A
A
Wonderful,
thank
you
very
much
and
again
welcome
committee
committee,
members
and
guests
here
in
the
audience
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
live
streaming.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us
today,
committee
members,
we're
going
to
turn
to
you.
I
recognize
any
of
you
that
that
may
have
any
personal
orders
announcements
any
I
see
none!
So
let
us
let
us
begin.
If
there's
oh
wait,
a
minute
yeah.
Let
us
begin
by
saying
this
just
as
a
reminder
to
all
you
sports
fans
out
there.
A
Tomorrow
we
begin
the
twa's
girls,
state,
basketball
tournament
down
at
murfreesboro,
and
some
of
you
all
may
want
to
take
just
a
moment
to
wish
your
local
teams
any.
That
may
have
some
teams
playing
in
that
in
the
big
dance,
and
I
know
that
chairman
halford
is
raising
his
hand,
and
I
know
why
that
he
is
because,
looking
at
the
record
of
all
the
girls
teams
that
are
starting
tomorrow
in
class,
a
that
is,
it
is
yes,
it
is
gibson
county
with
the
winningest
record
to
date.
C
A
Go
back
all
right,
very
good
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
do
some
well
wishes
to
their
team.
Well,
I
do.
I
want
to
recognize
clay
county
they're
they're,
coming
up
at
10
a.m
in
the
morning
and
they're
playing
against
school
by
the
name
of
peabody,
also,
although
not
in
our
district.
Certainly
in
our
neighboring
district
john,
representing
wendell's
district
clark
range
with
a
record
of
27.5
they're
they're,
going
to
be
playing
at
4
p.m
tomorrow,
so
anyway,
that's
that's
great!
C
A
Go
trenton
yeah
go
trenton,
you
got
it
all
right,
very
good.
This
day
in
history,
we
have
a
couple
of
items
that
may
be
of
interest
to
you.
We're
in
back.
Take
you
back
in
1987,
the
irish
rock
band.
You
too
released
the
joshua
tree
album
that
album
went
on
to
sell
25
million
copies,
and
today
we
are
celebrating
the
10th
year
anniversary
of
the
end
of
the
flights
of
the
space
shuttle
discovery
over
27
years
and
39
flights.
The
craft
served
as
the
single
most
used
ship
in
the
history
of
nasa's
space
shuttle
program.
A
C
C
A
A
How
do
I
see
any
objections
to
me
calling
the
question?
I
see
none.
So
in
that
case
let
us
vote
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
1052,
please
say
hi
and
those
opposed
like
sign
the
odds.
Have
it
and
you
have
been
very
successful
speaker
and
you
can
let
the
speaker
know
speaker
that
he
can
that
this
is
moving
on
house
bill.
52
is
moving
on
to.
I
think
the
calendar
rules.
Is
that
correct
all
right?
Mr
analyst,
all
right,
very
good,
and
thank
you,
sir.
A
D
Bill
will
be
brought
to
us
by
the
tennessee
alcoholic
beverage
commission.
This
will
allow
for
a
simple
and
safe
transfer
option
of
alcoholic
inventory
upon
a
closure
or
sale
of
a
current
tabc
licensed
establishment.
Currently,
on-premise
and
retail
food
stores
are
not
able
to
transfer
their
inventory
when
they
close
or
sell
their
business.
D
This
bill
will
will
grant
the
ability
to
transfer
leftover
alcohol
to
a
new
owner
if
they
sell
their
business
or
transfer
leftover
alcohol
to
another
establishment
they
own
of
the
same
license
type
if
the
if
the
closure
is
is
if
they
close
the
existing
business,
this
will
only
apply
to
closure
transfers
and
nothing
else.
This
bill
will
allow
the
transfer
to
be
done
through
a
one
step
process,
while
allowing
the
abc
to
have
advanced
notice.
D
A
No,
I
think,
thank
you
speaker,
you've
heard
members.
You've
heard
an
explanation
of
the
bill.
We
do
have
a
remind
you.
We
do
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
questions
to
the
bill's
sponsor.
At
this
time
we
we've
had
a
call
for
the
question.
Is
there
any
objections
to
the
calling
of
that
question?
I
see
none
so
though,
let
us
vote
those
in
favor
of
moving
house
bill
557
on
the
calendar
and
rules,
please
say
aye.
A
I
see
leader
our
leader,
lambert,
that's
up
there
in
the
bullpen
and
he's
getting
ready
to
toss
out
that
first
ball
here
with
house
bill
742,
so
that
we're
going
to
recognize
you
peter
lambert.
If
you
would
please
famous
chairman,
and
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I
think,
do
I
not
yes,
I
do
you
may
proceed,
sir.
A
E
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
last
week
after
the
testimony
in
the
subcommittee
and
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
this,
it
became
pretty
clear
that
a
lot
of
our
wineries
are
definitely
utilizing.
Fulfillment
centers,
and
so
many
of
you
probably
heard
from
them.
I
certainly
heard
from
them
and
they
are
using
fulfillment
centers.
So
the
original
bill
would
have
completely
banned
fulfillment
centers,
it
would
have
said,
look
if
you're
a
winery.
You
have
to
ship
your
own
wine,
you,
you
can't
ship
anybody
else's.
You
can't
go
through
a
fulfillment
center.
E
You
just
can't
do
that.
So
after
hearing
from
many
folks,
this
would
simply
license
the
fulfillment
centers.
They
would
pay
a
fee,
they
would
be
licensed,
they
would
be
under
the
umbrella
of
abc
and
they
would
have
to
you
know,
be
you
know,
monitored
just
like
any
other
entity
out
there
that
is
distributing
alcohol.
It
would
allow
them
to
continue
doing
what
they
are
doing
now
and
it
would
allow
them
to
continue
to
operate
in
tennessee
and,
quite
frankly,
the
ship
winds
in
from
other
states
to
our
state.
E
It
would
allow,
in
my
interpretation
and
discussing
with
folks
that
monitor
this
on
a
daily
basis.
It
would
still
allow
our
wineries
in
tennessee
to
continue
to
do
everything
they're
doing
now.
Now
I
know
there
has
been
some
discussion
kind
of
behind
the
scenes
on
some
still
have
some
questions
on
that
I've
checked
with
legal.
I've
checked
with
the
folks
that
monitor
this
every
day
I
mean
this
bill
allows
for
every
tennessee
winery
to
continue
to
ship
their
own
products.
Now
they
couldn't
ship
somebody
else's.
E
So,
if
you're
making
wine
here
in
tennessee-
and
you
want
to
ship
a
bottle
of
barefoot
wine
or
whatever
brand,
you
know
any
big
commercial
brand
out
there,
you
can
only
ship,
your
own
wine,
and
if
there
are
wineries
that
have
multiple
owners,
they
can
still
ship
their
wine.
But
again
this
the
biggest
change
of
this
amendment
is
it
allows
for
those
fulfillment
centers
to
move
forward
and
for
every
winery
to
continue
utilizing
them.
A
B
E
E
I
mean
wine
is
not
something
that
you
probably
think
about
as
folks
that
are
underage
abusing
or
of
being
a
product
that
needs
to
be
heavily
regulated
to
ensure
that
the
quality
of
that
product
is
being
met,
but
it
is
an
intoxicating
beverage,
and
so
that
is
always
been
something
that
I
know
you
and
I
both
kind
of
monitor.
Pretty
closely.
I
mean
we
have
a
very
strict
regiment
of
how
alcohol
in
general
is
distributed
in
this
state,
and
we've
always
stuck
to
that
for
safety
reasons.
E
So
when
we
allowed
our
tennessee
wineries
to
be
able
to
ship
wine
and
and
sell
that
online
and
ship
that
through
the
mail,
it
was
begun
under
the
theory
that
they
would
ship
their
own
wine
and
that
they
would
be
doing
it
well.
Unbeknownst
to
us
there
were
fulfillment
centers
out
there
that
can
handle
that,
for
them
they
can
ship
their
wine
to
that
fulfillment
center.
They
can
warehouse
it
for
them.
They
can.
You
know
ship
that
all
out
for
them.
E
I
didn't
know
about
that
when
we
passed
the
bill
allowing
for
tennessee
wineries
to
do
that,
but
it
is
an
industry
out
there
that
has
grown
up
around
that.
So
when
I
filed
the
bill,
it
was
to
do
away
fulfillment
centers
because
again
unlicensed
completely
outside
of
our,
I
mean
really
all
of
our
protocols
that
keep
folks
safe
well
again,
when
we
started
hearing
from
our
wineries
and
from
customers
across
the
state,
there's
just
simply
too
many
people
that
use
these
fulfillment
centers.
So
it's
it's
not
a
tax
issue.
E
It's
it's
really
a
licensing
issue
and
a
safety
issue
where,
if
you're
going
to
use
a
fulfillment
center,
it
needs
to
be
licensed
and
it
needs
to
allow
for
the
same
inspections
and
everything
else
that
every
other
distributor
would
be
subject
to
to
just
make
sure
this
is
being
done
properly.
So
it
we've
come
a
long
way
from
the
original
bill.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
leader.
Thank
you.
We
had
this
in
sub
last
week
and
it
was
a
very
healthy
discussion.
Looks
like
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
it
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
still
concerned
with
our
tennessee
wineries.
I've
heard
no
one's
come
to
me,
but
I've
heard
that
they're
not
on
board
with
this
amendment.
Is
there
anybody
here
that
could
speak
to
that
leader,
you're.
E
Don't
mind
saying
that
there
are
definitely
wineries
that
still
have
some
concerns
about
this
and
it
deals
with
kind
of
one
vendor
that
they
utilize
for
their
shipping.
I'm
still
open
ears
on
that,
but
I
mean
I've
talked
to
the
abc.
I've
talked
to
the
attorneys
that
drafted
this,
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
for
the
legislative
intent
on
this
because
it
says
it
in
black
and
white
and
this
deals
directly
with
their
wineries
and
I'm
just
going
to
read
section
b.
If
I
may,
mr
chairman,
it
says
winery
direct
shipper
meeting.
E
So
what
they're
doing
right
now
or
produced
and
bottled
exclusively
for
the
winery?
I
don't
know
any
other
way
to
make
that
crystal
clear.
If
you're
a
winery
and
you
want
to
ship
your
wine,
you
absolutely
can
do
so,
and
this
amendment
allows
for
them
to
use
fulfillment
centers.
Now
again,
there
is
one
vendor
out
there.
That
is
still
has
some
concerns
and
again,
as
always,
I
mean
I'm
listening
and
open
to
those
concerns,
but
I
cannot
figure
out
why
and
you're
an
attorney
as
well.
E
F
Yes,
I
remember
I
recall
from
our
discussion
last
week
we
talked
about
we,
we
had
a
speaker
who
talked
about
vino
shippers,
to
help
them
with
the
paperwork,
but
didn't
actually
take
possession
of
the
wine
I
it.
I
would
think
from
from
your
testimony
and
from
reading
this
agreement,
that,
if
they're
using
that
vino
ship
or
now
they
can
continue
to
use
that
vino
shipper
is
that
is
that
the
case
later,
europe
famous.
E
Chairman
and
again
I
don't
know
the
folks
of
that
particular
company,
and
I
know
you
and
I
both
and
all
of
us
stay
away
from
trying
to
write
legislation
either
for
or
against
any
one
particular
vendor
that
that
vendor
would
have
to
be
licensed
like
a
fulfillment
center.
The
best
that
I
could
understand
and
we
allow
for
the
licensure
of
fulfillment
centers
for
them
to
pay
a
fee.
I
mean
it's
a
couple
hundred
dollars
and
be
able
to
still
fulfill
that
responsibility
that
they
have
decided
to
do
for
the
wineries.
E
So
there
is
nothing
that
anybody
has
brought
to
me
to
indicate
why
vino
shipper
specifically
and
again,
I
hate
to
call
out
one
company,
but
it
seems
to
be
the
only
company
out
there
that
says
there
are
lots
of
other
fulfillment
centers
that
have
looked
at
this
and
said.
Yes,
we
can
operate
just
fine
under
this
and
we're
appreciative
that
we
changed
the
bill
to
allow
for
that.
E
E
A
Beck
I
was
going
to
make
men
to
you
as
well
as
the
other,
the
membership
that
there
has
not
been.
Of
course,
our
committee
has
a
procedure
that
we
for
our
notice.
We
have
not
received
within
the
past
24
a
request
for
testimony
and
and
for
that
reason
there
will
there
will
be
no
allowance
of
that
today.
A
F
E
Yes,
sir,
that's
the
only
objection
I
know
of
at
this
juncture
is
that
one
particular
vendor
and
there
are
tennessee
wineries
that
use
that
vendor
and
again
I
I
want
to
be
clear.
It
is
not
my
intention
of
this
bill
and
I
do
not
think
the
language
of
this
bill
prohibits
them
to
be
able
to
fulfill
their
responsibilities
as
a
fulfillment
house.
The
only
hang
up
would
be
is
if
somehow
they
want
to
be
treated
different
than
any
other
fulfillment
house
and
not
be
licensed.
E
I
mean
we're
requiring
everybody
to
to
play
by
the
same
rules.
I
mean
it.
You
ship
your
wine
and,
if
you're
using
a
fulfillment
house,
they
just
have
to
be
licensed.
I
I
don't
think
that's
too
much
to
ask,
but
we
are
requiring
that
everybody
play
by
the
same
set
of
rules
we're
not
making
like
an
exception
for
one
particular
vendor.
E
Yes,
sir,
it's
my
understanding.
It's
it's
one
vendor
that
has
several
wineries
that
utilize
them.
So
I
mean
again,
but
it's
just
one
vendor
is
the
only
one
that
I
left
that
I
know
of
and
I'm
not
again.
I
don't
understand
even
what
their
objection
is,
because
the
plain
language
of
this
says
you
can
use
the
fulfillment
center.
They
just
have
to
be
licensed
and
we've
come
an
enormous
distance
from
even
last
week
and
sub
to
say
no
fulfillment
centers
period,
we're
not
going
to
utilize
those
to
say
no,
it's
fine.
E
A
Leader,
thank
you,
chairman
you're,
very
welcome,
sir.
Now.
As
a
reminder
members,
we
still
our
own
amendment-
is
your
question
you
want
to.
Shall
we
wait
until
we
get
this
on
the
bill?
It's
up
to
you,
sir
I'll
just
wait
to
get
it
on.
Certainly
further
questions
to
the
sponsor
on
the
yes,
we
do
absolutely
chairman
moon,
you're,
you're,
recognized.
E
D
E
Than
ever,
the
requirements
are
under
section:
four,
subsection
b,
you
re,
I
mean
it's
a
fee,
but
again
just
like
we
would
with
any
other
distributor
you
have.
There
are
certain
reports
that
you
would
have
to
file
with
the
abc.
You
know
with
abc
who
sees
alcohol
for
us.
You
know
tell
them
who
you're
shipping
for
make
sure
it's
only
going
to
folks
that
are
over
21,
I
mean
most
of
the
stuff
that
they
should
be
doing
now,
or
at
least
in
the
testimony
from
last
week.
They
were
already
doing
now.
A
A
D
Mr
chairman
and
leader
lambert,
I
was
not
on
the
subcommittee,
so
I
didn't
get
to
hear
a
lot
of
the
testimony
and
everything
that
was
said
last
week.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
was
wrong
with
the
system
that
we
previously
had.
Was
it
about
not
getting
the
proper
taxes
or
was
it
underage
shipment
of
underage
people
getting
the
just.
You
know
I
just
don't
understand
what
was
wrong
with
what
we're
doing
now
later,
lambert
you're
right
now.
E
Don't
I
mean
you
know
they
don't
know
what
those
fulfill
the
houses
are
doing.
They
don't
know
who
they're
shipping
to
they
don't
know
how
much
they're
shipping
to-
and
you
really
don't
know
from
a
compliance
standpoint,
whether
or
not
they're
shipping
the
product
that
we
set
in
code
that
they're
allowed
to
ship
or,
if
they're,
shipping,
something
else.
Because
again
it's
it's
all
online.
It's
all
completely
around
the
abc
and
that's
that's
what
some
of
the
testimony
was
last
week.
Is
you
really
you?
E
You
hope
that
they
would
be
paying
the
proper
taxes
you
hope
they
wouldn't
be
shipping
to
underage
folks.
You
hoped
that
they
would
be
only
shipping,
the
products
that
we've
allowed
them
to
ship
and
code,
but
we
have
no
idea
what's
in
those
boxes,
unless
they're
actually
licensed.
Like
your
other
distributors,
I
mean,
if
you're
gonna
act
like
a
distributor,
you,
you
gotta
at
least
be
licensed
like
one.
So
that's
the
issue
that
we're
trying
to
resolve
again.
E
My
first
instinct
was
to
just
say:
look
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
use
a
fulfillment
house,
but
upon
hearing
from
our
wineries
and
and
consumers
they're
simply
too
embedded
in
the
way
that
they
do
this
now
had
we
thought
of
that
on
the
front
end,
we
probably
could
have
said.
Look
you,
you
can't
use
fulfillment
houses,
you
have
to
use
someone
licensed
or
just
ship
your
own
product,
but
some
of
the
testimony
not
to
belabor
it
too
much,
but
you
asked
kind
of
what
had
come
out
last
week.
E
Some
of
the
testimony
from
smaller
wineries
is
that
their
volume
is
just
not
high
enough
for
them
to
keep
up
with
all
of
the
different
regulations
in
different
states.
The
different
taxes
in
different
states,
the
different
packaging
that
they
need
to
do
so
they
find
it
to
be
more
helpful
to
use
fulfillment
houses.
So
after
that
testimony
we
changed
it
to
say
they
could
continue
to
do
it,
but
it
brings
them
into
the
fold
so
that
the
abc
can
at
least
oversee
their
operations
and
make
sure
they're
doing
it
right.
G
G
So
you
know
I
want
us
to
continue
to
work
on
this
if
it's
at
all
possible,
because
we
need
to
get
this
settled
because
not
only
do
I
have
16
small
wineries
and
so
well
a
couple
big
ones
and
some
small
ones,
but
I'm
fixing
to
have
about
four
more
in
the
county.
Of
course,
they'll
start
out
little,
so
they
needed
their
help.
E
Famous
chairman,
and
by
the
way
you
didn't
know
this
this
last
week
until
I
told
you,
but
thank
you
for
hosting
my
family
and
I
in
your
in
your
district,
this
left
behind
quite
a
bit
of
tax
revenue
in
your
district.
If
you
haven't
been
to
pigeon,
forge
they,
they
are
able
to
relieve
you
as
much
money
as
possible.
While
you
were
there,
so
you
have
several
wineries,
we
saw
them
in
passing,
but
it
really
is
a
wonderful
community.
I
am
open
to
any
idea
again.
E
The
goal
of
this
is
exactly
what
I
have
said
now.
I
would
ask
that
you
support
this
today
through
this
committee,
and
I
would
guarantee
this
committee
that
any
any
tweaks
would
only
be
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
excluding
anybody
and
that
our
tennessee
wineries
are
taken
care
of
if
there
is
some
small
change
or
something
that
would
still
be
in
the
spirit
of
what
this
committee
hopefully
would
approve.
Today,
I
am
open
ears
for
that.
I
do
not
want
any
vendor
to
be
excluded,
that
that's
being
a
fulfillment
center.
E
I
want
them
to
all
be
included
if
there's
some
verbage
or
word
that
we're
using
that
excludes
them
absolutely.
I
have
no
objection
to
that
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
all
ears,
but
it
needs
to
be
the
I
mean
if
this
committee
approves
this
today
and
again,
I
would
ask
for
your
support
on
it.
It
needs
to
stay
pretty
much
like
it
is.
I
mean
where
they're
going
to
be
licensed
and
official,
and
we
know
who's
doing.
G
E
E
Leader,
well,
we
we
don't
know
because
right
now,
they're
unlicensed,
and
so
we
don't
know
who
is
actually
fulfilling
this
responsibility
and
who
is
actually
who
all
the
fulfillment
centers
are.
I
mean
they're
they're
completely
unlicensed.
At
this
juncture
there
are
no
regulations
that
really
cover
them,
and
so
that's
what
this
bill
does
it
just
makes
sure
that
we
know
who
the
fulfillment
centers
are
they're
licensed,
they're
regulated
like
any
other
distributor,
or
you
know
anyone
that's
involved
in
kind
of
the
alcohol
industry.
Pretty
much
all
of
them
are
licensed.
B
E
So
deal
and
many
times
millions
of
dollars
and
you
know
kind
of
gross
receipts
in
and
out
I
mean
you
know
there.
Many
of
them
are
very
large
companies.
So
the
only
thing
we
have
is
a
300
application
fee
and
then
a
750
fee
per
year.
That's
all
they
pay
and
for
a
business
again.
Those
are
relatively
modest
fees.
This.
B
E
B
H
H
D
Recognized,
mr
chairman,
I
want
to
direct
my
question.
I
guess
to
the
sponsor
or
maybe
to
representative
carr.
Could
someone
articulate
how
this
has
a
negative
impact
on
a
small,
individual
winery?
I
mean
representative
carr,
you,
you
articulated
it
to
some
degree,
but
would
somebody
clear
up
for
this
committee
because
I
don't
think
it's
been
explained.
Yet.
D
D
E
E
So,
instead
of
having
to
go
through
the
three-tiered
system
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
get
it,
you
know
out
there
through
the
kind
of
typical
retail
location
we
allowed
a
couple
of
years
ago,
our
tennessee
wineries,
to
help
them
out
to
be
able
to
ship
their
own
product
and
again
the
logistics
and
the
warehousing
of
that.
That's
all
they
want.
They
just
want
to
be
able
to
utilize
somebody
else
to
do
the
logistics
and
warehousing
so
again.
E
The
very
first
bill
absolutely
could
understand
the
objection
that
there
are
folks
that
use
fulfillment
houses
right
now,
much
more
deeply
embedded
in
the
system
than
even
I
realized
and
we've
come
so
far.
It's
really
at
this
point,
probably
impossible
to
say
you
just
can't
use
fulfillment
centers,
so
we
amended
it
and
said:
okay
you're
already
using
them.
That's
what
you're
relying
upon
for
your
your
shipping
and
your
licensing.
E
Again,
I
made
some
comments
in
the
sub.
I
still
think
that
that
may
be
a
mistake
for
many
of
our
wineries
to
kind
of
turn
over
their
whole
customer
list
and
they're.
You
know
a
huge
part
of
their
business
to
a
third
party,
but
that's
if
that's
what
they
want
to
do.
This
amendment
allows
them
to
do
it.
But
again
there
is
one
question
from
one
vendor
that
handles
fulfillment
duties
that
has
some
of
our
wineries
that
use
that
vendor.
They
still
have
questions
to
make
sure
they're
within
this.
E
I
believe
that
they
are
right
now
their
lawyers
are
saying
no,
we,
we
think,
there's
still
a
tweak
that
might
make
sure
we're
in
here
and
again
I've
dedicated
if
there's
some
tiny
tweak
that
makes
sure
everybody's
on
the
same
playing
field.
I
don't
mind
it's
just
what
I'm
asking
this
community
to
approve
today,
hopefully,
would
be
that
we
have
fulfillment
centers,
licensed
and
regulated
like
anybody
else.
That's
that's
shipping
and
distributing
alcohol.
A
Representative-
and
you
can
continue
in
just
a
moment,
but
but
let
me
let
me
go
ahead
and
say
to
to
you
and
and
the
and
the
bill's
sponsor,
and
the
remainder
of
the
committee
we
do
have
representative
thomas
represent.
Excuse
me
russell,
mr
thomas,
from
abc
that
has
requested
testimony
now.
We've
had
we've
had
some
good
questions,
a
lot
of
good
lineup
of
questioning,
but
just
an
fyi.
He
is
forthcoming.
A
B
E
Oh,
no,
absolutely
she
can
ship
it
directly
to
the
consumer.
In
fact,
that's
what
I
would
prefer
again.
I
don't
like
a
third
party
being
in
between.
I
mean
that
that
third
party
is
what
creates
the
problem
and
has
created
the
issue
here
to
the
question
earlier.
The
preference
would
be
for
every
winery
to
ship
directly
to
their
customers,
but
again
that
ship
appears
to
have
sailed
that
a
large
portion
of
our
wineries
are
simply
using
a
third
party
at
their
choice
and
there's
nothing
in
this
amendment.
E
D
Chairman
wendell
this
one
final
question
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point:
what
is
it
that
the
small
wineries
have
requested
to
be
included
in
this
legislation?
That
is
not
included.
What
is
it
that's
going
to
make
all
these
people
happy
that
are
maybe
here
today,
one
again
20
feet
from
where
I'm
setting,
who
I
work
for,
what
is
it's
going
to
make
them
satisfied
with
this
bill
that
if
it
could
be
amen.
E
So
I've
spent
the
better
part
of
probably
six
weeks
trying
to
get
to
that
exact
question
and
it
is
still
there
is
again
still
one
question
with
one
vendor.
I
mean
we've
taken
care
of
99.9
percent.
I
you
know
I
hate
to
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
good,
but
in
working
with
the
abc-
and
I
apologize
mr
chairman-
I
didn't
know
they
were
going
to
testify
that
it's
much
more
knowledgeable
than
I
am
on
this
area.
E
So
I
would
have
not
have
attempted
to
answer
most
of
these
questions
that
I
know
we're
going
to
have
testimony,
but
I
mean
we've
come
so
far
in
this
to
make
sure
that
they
can
use
a
fulfillment
center.
There
just
appears
to
be
one
fulfillment
center
that
the
only
response
that
I
saw
was
they
didn't.
They
didn't
want
to
be
licensed
or
have
any
regulations
and
to
me
from
a
public
policy
standpoint.
That's
just
not
acceptable.
C
E
E
Later
and
by
their
best
estimate,
over
half
I
mean
so
somewhere
between
50
to
60
is
what
they
estimate
but
again
nobody's
submitting,
like
you
know,
a
list
of
customers
or
a
list
of
product
that's
being
shipped
because
they're
unlicensed,
I
hate
to
just
sound
like
a
broken
record.
So
we
really
don't
know,
but
that's
the
best
estimate
the
abc
can
come
up
with
speaker.
B
C
C
I
B
E
So
again,
the
audit
would
be
more
on
what
is
submitted.
I
mean
it
would
be
a
rare
occasion
if
you're
asking
for
like
an
on-site
audit,
you
know
the
I
think
what
abc
is
setting
up
is
that
if,
if
you're
shipping
out,
I
mean
you
know
the
the
paperwork,
is
there
everything's
computerized
nowadays
anyways,
it's
more
of
just
them
submitting
that
report
to
abc
saying
hey.
This
is
what
we
shipped.
This
is,
who
we
shipped
it
for
everything
matches
up.
E
I
mean
it's
a
lot
like
we
do
with
a
lot
of
other
agencies
where
there's
very
little
on-site
inspection.
That
happens
with
most
of
this.
It's
just
again
making
sure
the
product
they're
shipping
is
what
they're
supposed
to
be
shipping,
and
this
bill
would
be
for
us
to
do
on-site
inspections
and
somewhere
else,
that's
really
not
needed.
It
would
just
be
a
matter
of
having
the
books
submitted
so
that
they
actually
are
doing
what
they're
doing
now.
E
Hypothetically,
if
you
I
don't
know,
I
had
some
indication
that
there
was
a
criminal
enterprise
afoot
and
like
there
was
a
need
to
dig
digging
deeper
into
it.
They
could
work
with
local
law
enforcement.
Someone
do
that,
but
that'd
be
a
pretty
rare
occasion.
Most
of
this
is
just
going
to
be
submitted
on
the
spreadsheets
speaker.
A
C
E
E
Then
they
might
have
to
swap
to
the
fulfillment
center,
but
there's
nothing
in
this
bill
that
prevents
them
from
shipping
their
own
wine
and
doing
exactly
what
they're
doing
now
it
literally
the
only
hang
up
that
I
could
even
find
at
this
juncture
is
with
one
vendor
one
fulfillment
center
or
one
fulfillment
house.
That
is
saying
that
somehow
they
don't,
they
don't
fit
within
this,
and
it's
my
understanding,
it's
a
fulfillment
center
that
that
actually
just
helps
with
the
logistics.
So
I
mean
my
interpretation
is
they're
clearly
controlled
contained
within
this.
E
But
again
the
legislative
intent
is
this,
for
is
for
not
any
tennessee
winery
to
have
to
change
what
they're
doing
even
one
tiny
bit.
We
want
them
to
be
able
to
use
this
and
continue
doing
business
exactly
the
way
they're
doing
it
and
for
those
that
are
out
of
state
too.
Quite
frankly,
because
we
have
consumers
that
have
reached
out
probably
too
many
of
y'all
that
have
said
look
we
want
to
continue
to
get.
You
know
the
wine
that
we're
ordering
from
napa
valley.
This
allows
for
that.
That's
what
this
amendment
does
speaker.
A
A
A
You
have,
and
I
hope,
you've
taken
notes
back
there
during
these
past
30
minutes
that
we've
been
on
this
and
and
try
to
avoid
some
redundancy
and-
and
I'm
saying
that
very
in
a
friendly
manner
trying
to
try
to
address
as
much
as
you
can
over
the
next
five
minutes.
I
hope
you
can
do
a
wrap
in
five
with
that.
You
know
you
know
the
routine.
Please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
Please,
sir,.
I
Thank
you,
chairman
kiesling.
My
name
is
russell
thomas.
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
tennessee
alcoholic
beverage
commission,
I'd
like
to
take
just
a
couple
of
minutes
to
give
a
summary
in
a
little
bit
of
historical
context
about
this
area
of
alcohol
law
that
we're
dealing
with
and
address
a
little
bit
the
bill
as
amended
that,
and
it
may
pick
up
on
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked,
sell
and
ship
directly
to
consumers
in
tennessee.
I
That
was
that
were
unforeseen
at
the
time
that
original
law
was
passed
and
it
is
really,
I
would
submit
those
two
significant
and
unforeseen
moments
in
the
marketplace
that
we
have
today
versus
what
was
anticipated
10
years
ago,
that
this
bill
really
addresses
and
those
two
major
changes
that
we're
making
here
deal
with.
As
leader
lamberth
said,
one
defining
what
wines
may
be
sold
by
a
license
holder
direct
to
consumers
in
tennessee
and
two,
it
creates
a
license
for
businesses
known
as
fulfillment
houses.
I
So
the
two
ways
the
market
has
evolved
over
the
last
decade
that
were
unforeseen
when
this
were
first
passed.
First,
we
have
seen
the
rise
of
a
small
number
of
online
retailers
that
have
obtained
winery
direct
shipper
licenses
and
under
the
current
law
they
can
do
so,
but
they
are
not
simply
a
winery
that
makes
wine
and
sells
their
own
wine.
They
have
developed
a
very
large
online
retail
presence
where
they
are
selling,
sometimes
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
different
types
of
wine.
I
The
intent
of
the
original
bill.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
going
back
and
re-watching
and
listening
to
the
legislative
record
over
the
years,
always
discusses
an
ability,
a
creation
of
a
license
for
a
winery
to
to
have
an
ability
to
sell
their
products
to
tennesseans
and
ship
them
directly
to
tennesseans.
There
was,
there
doesn't
appear
ever
an
intent
in
the
legislative
record
to
rate
create
a
license,
and
this
is
a
version
of
a
winery
license.
I
One,
a
company
can
obtain
a
winery
direct
shipper's
license
if
they
have
a
winery
but
they're
not
currently
limited
to
selling
only
the
wines
that
they
produce.
So
that's
what
the
first
major
change
in
the
law
does
and,
as
the
leader
mentioned,
this
amendment
contains
some
language
that
makes
it
clear
that
any
wine
produced
under
the
tennessee
winery
license
can
be
sold
under
this
bill.
Second,
major
change
deals
with
these
fulfillment
houses
so
10
years
ago,.
I
There
was
a
consumer
demand
to
allow
this
people
would
travel
say
to
california.
For
instance,
visit
wineries
want
to
be
able
to
purchase
wands,
get
them
shipped
to
their
homes.
Maybe
they
weren't
available
here
in
tennessee
or
for
other
reasons,
and
the
expectation
was
that
you
know
we
would
expect
those
shipments
to
come
from
that
wineries
address
and
be
shipped
to
an
address
in
tennessee
well
over
the
years.
I
We
have
seen
wineries
increasingly
use
third
parties
to
assist
in
that
shipment,
and
we've
heard
those
referred
to
as
fulfillment
houses
and
some
other
states
and
bodies
you'll
hear
referred
to
as
logistics
shippers.
They
have
grown
so
much
that
today
they
ship
over
six
over
sixty
percent
of
the
volume
of
alcohol
into
the
state.
So
we
have
these
unlicensed
third
parties
that
are
having
a
large
role
in
the
majority
of
wine
shipped
into
the
state
and
that's
kind
of
the
context
of
this
bill.
A
C
C
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you
director
for
giving
them
that
testimony
the
one
thing
that
we
noticed
that
you
kind
of
hit
on
a
little
bit
is
all
those
people
or
wineries
or
fulfillment
houses
shipping.
All
these
bottle
whining.
That
was
not
traceable
or
trackable,
and
we,
with
this
legislation,
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
report
sent
to
abc
to
audit
correct.
I
Director,
yes,
chairman
holtzcall,
thank
you
for
that
question.
We
are
desperate
for
more
data
to
be
able
to
track
this,
and
this
will
create
a
system
that,
by
licensing
this
major
player
in
the
process
and
requiring
them
to
submit
periodic
reports,
we
can
use
technology
to
take
that
new
vast
amount
of
information
we
will
have
and
be
able
to
process
it
in
a
way
to
much
more
easily
identify
legal
versus
illegal
shipments
into
the
state.
C
I
A
G
G
I
think
there's
a
little.
I
think
it
came
out
that
we
have
a
problem
and
I
would
like
to
see
your
department
recommend
some
clear
action
that
we
could
legislate
on
verification
of
direct
shipments
at
home
that
that
we
can
address
maybe
at
the
next
session.
Unless
I
don't
know
if
it
might
be
a
sill
bill
moving
current
session,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
it.
But
I
think
we
really
have
a
problem
in
unverified
home
shipments
director,
thomas.
C
I
A
I
I
Oh
so
so
this
information,
these
reports
we've
talked
about
will
be
coupled
with
reports
that
we
already
received
that
we
started
receiving
a
couple
years
ago
from
common
carriers,
so
for
the
last
two
years,
fedex
and
ups,
any
common
carriers
that
ship
alcohol
into
tennessee
submit
periodic
reports
to
us,
and
we
start
there
in
that
list.
All
the
shipments
identified
as
containing
alcohol
into
the
state
and
then
subtract
the
legal
shipments.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
russell
thanks
for
being
here
today,
and
I
know
we
you
mentioned,
or
someone
mentioned
earlier
about,
if
you're
visiting,
napa
valley,
california
and
you
go
to
several
wineries
and
you
like
a
lot
of
these
wines,
so
you
you
maybe
join
a
wine
club
and
you
want
wine
from
three
different
wineries
shipped
into
you.
Can
they
this
fulfillment
center
put
those
in
all
three
different
winery
bottles
in
one
box
and
ship
it
in
or
they
got
to
be
in
three
separate
boxes
or
how
would
that
work
director.
I
They
would
have
to
comply
with
with
the
law,
and
that
would
require
in
the
reporting
requirements
they're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
identify
which
shipments
come
from,
which
licensed
winery
that
they
work
with
so
off
the
top
of
my
head
at
the
spur
of
the
moment.
I
would
think
that
they
would
probably
need
to
devise
a
way
where
they
are
able
to
do
that
with
their
shipments,
and
they
may
need
to
send
the
different
wineries
in
different
boxes.
Speaker
speaker.
D
B
I
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
think
that
the
previous
questions
had
pretty
well
answered.
My
question.
My
particular
question
is
a
concern,
but
I
do
want
to
take
a
second
to
concur
with
representative
bricken
own
there's,
been
wine
left
on
my
porch
that
I
didn't
order
without
any
signatures,
and
it
is.
F
I
A
C
A
Chairman,
thank
thank
you,
speaker,
any
further
questions
to
director
thomas.
It's
been
a
fulfilling
time
with
you,
representative,
thomas.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
and
and
well
answered
questions.
We
appreciate
you
and
most
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
service
to
this
great
state.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
You
are
excused
and
we
will
go
we're
going
to
go
back
into
session
and
with
that
on
the
bill
we
have
chairman
holtzclaw
to
leader,
lambert
here,
oh
okay,
he
passes
so
next
we
have
representative
alexander
you're
recognized.
A
E
I'm
so
sorry
I
I
promised
somebody
I
would
mention
something
that
came
out
of
the
subcommittee.
There
was
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
a
common
carrier
asked
for
a
signature,
and
I
was
told
by
fedex
that-
and
they
wanted
me
to
put
this
on
the
record-
that
they
absolutely
do.
They
said
they
can't
speak
for
all
common
carriers,
but
they
were
following
this
committee
in
the
subcommittee
and
they
wanted
folks
to
know
that
fedex,
which
is
a
tennessee
company,
they
said
look.
E
We
are
never
going
to
deliver
any
kind
of
alcoholic
product
without
a
signature
and
they
said
they
have
top-notch.
You
know,
processes
in
place
and
that
came
up
last
week,
so
I
promised
them.
I
would
mention
that
so,
if
they're
tuned
in
today,
we
can
tell
them.
I
mentioned
it.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
apologize
for
your
interceding.
E
Well,
I
will
say
that
particular
company
does
not
have
quite
the
footprint
in
tennessee
that
the
previous
one
I
mentioned,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
know
from
other
common
carriers
if
they
do
that,
because
we
had
an
anecdote
by
one
of
our
members
shared
last
week
that
somebody
had
not
gotten
a
signature
on
a
product
they
had
delivered.
So
again,
I
can
only
speak
for
one
of
them,
but,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
get
that
out
there.
I
should
have
said
that
again
and
I
promised
him
I
would.
A
All
right
for
okay,
I
see
we've
got.
I
did
see
a
call
of
the
further
question.
So
here's
where
we
are
committee,
this
has
been
a
very
colorful
bill.
Hasn't
it
a
lot
of
questions,
a
lot
of
q,
a
lot
of
q,
a
the
the
chair
is
going
to
call
and
we're
going
to
draw
our
attention
to
ms
robbins
and
we're
going
to
go
down.
We're
going
to
the
chair
is
calling
for
a
roll
call
vote.
So
with
that,
ms
robbins,
would
you
proceed?
Please.
B
G
C
F
A
E
A
Thank
you,
sir,
and
we
will
continue
back
we'll
focus
back
on
our
calendar.
We'll
go
to
item
number
four
and
leader
who
is
going
to
bro
there.
We
are
we
we're
going
to
recognize
that's
house
bill.
767.
Excuse
me
769.
I
see
no
amendments
to
that
chairman
reagan,
you
are
recognized.
I
got
a
motion
already
on
you,
sir,
do
I
have
a
second?
We
do
we
have
a
second
to
you,
sir
you're.
Would
you
please
explain
your
bill.
C
A
B
D
A
Thank
you,
mr
thank
you.
Mr
further
questions
to
the
bill's
sponsor
got
a
question
on
the
bill,
so
I
see
no
objections.
Let
us
vote
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
769,
please
say
aye.
Those
opposed
like
sign
the
eyes.
Have
it
and
we
congratulations
to
you,
chairman
reagan,
on
the
passage
of
house
bill
769.
B
A
C
Chairman
and
thank
you
committee,
I
think
I've
spoke
to
everyone
on
the
on
the
committee
about
this
bill
except
representative
cooper
and
representative
eldridge,
who
I
couldn't
find
last
night,
but
anyway,
this
is
a
good
bill.
Of
course,
every
everybody
comes
up
here
and
says
that,
but
basically
what
I
think
most
of
you
are
aware
of,
but
I
was
not
aware
of.
C
Apparently
people
can
come
and
put
a
lien
on
your
property
or
your
home
or
your
your
business,
and
this
is
happening
throughout
the
country,
but
it's
happening
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
you
not
know
about
the
lien
and
the
time
go
by
and
you
could
actually
lose
your
house
and
the
police
could
be
on
your
doorstep.
Saying
get
your
stuff
out
because
it
no
longer
belongs
to
you.
C
I
think
one
of
our
representatives
here
actually
had
a
friend
that
this
happened
to
so
the
register's
deeds
association
brought
this
bill
to
me
and
basically
they
have
software
now
that
they're
implementing
throughout
the
state,
with
all
the
registers
departments
that
you
as
a
citizen,
can
go
online
and
register
with
them.
So
if
anybody
places
a
lien
on
your
property,
whether
it's
legal
or
italy,
illegal,
it
will
alert
you
that
that
lien
has
been
placed
there
and
that
way
you
can
go
and
deal
with
it.
C
What
my
bill
does
that's
going
to
go
into
place,
whether
this
bill
passes
or
not,
they're
going
to
do
that?
What
my
bill
does
it
says
when
you
go
online
to
register,
you
have
to
put
your
personal
information
in
there
social
security
address
phone
number,
those
type
things
my
bill
would
exclude,
exclude
that
from
the
open
open
meeting
act
to
where
they
can
access
that
it
would
keep
your
information
private.
That's
what
my
bill
does,
sir.
A
Well
well
explained
for
any
questions
to
the
bill's
sponsor
we
have
a.
We
have
called
for
the
question
and
I
see
no
objections
calling
question.
Let
us
vote
those
in
favor
of
house
bill
851,
please
say
aye.
Those
opposed
lock
sign
the
I'd.
Have
it
and
house
bill,
851
has
passed
and
it
is
moving
on
to
calendar
and
rules
chairman
crawford.
Thank
you
for
this.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
B
A
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
members
house
bill
1046,
look
very
familiar
to
this
committee.
It
passed
unanimously
out
of
this
committee
last
year.
Unfortunately,
the
senate
was
not
in
the
same
posture.
This
is
a
bill
related
to
no
bid
contract
simply
requiring
those
no
bid
contracts
to
come
before
fiscal
review.
I
have
to
take
any
questions.
A
B
B
C
Our
bill,
which
allows
service
members
families
to
request
the
appropriate
burial
time
if
they
are
killed
in
action
or
killed
in
training
for
active
duty
military
in
our
state
hard
to
believe.
We
have
to
bring
this
bill
to
codify
it
due
to
poor
decision-making
on
former
members
of
the
administration.
But
I.
C
A
We
are
we
go.
Thank
you,
sir.
We
have
a
motion
already
in
a
second,
so
any
questions
to
the
sponsor.
I
see
none,
we
got
a
yes.
I
heard
a
call
for
the
question.
I
see
no
objections.
So
therefore,
let
us
vote
for
house
bill
442.,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
those
opposed
lights
on
the
eyes.
Have
it
and
congratulations.
J
A
G
G
Back
in
2016,
the
state
had
a
requirement
that
anybody
asking
for
package
store
license
had
to
have
been
a
resident
of
the
state
for
two
years
that
we
had
somebody
apply
for
that
and
and
turned
down.
They
didn't
have
the
residency,
so
they
came
back
and
and
attempted
to
sue
the
state.
At
that
time,
the
question
about
the
constitutionality
was
adjudicated
and
from
that
period
of
time
the
abc
has
not
enforced
that
regulation
and
then
in
2019
the
supreme
court
did
determine
that.
That
was
unconstitutional.
A
Good
good
explanation-
and
I
did
hear
a
question-
did
I
not
call
for
the
question
and
I
see
no
objections.
Therefore,
let
us
vote
on
house
bill
377,
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
Those
opposed
likes
in
the
eyes
have
it
and
chairman
ramsey,
your
bill.
377
is
headed
to
calendar
and
rules.
Thank
you.
A
A
All
right,
you
got
a
motion
already
and
a
second
questions
to
the
bill's
sponsor
see.
Now
I've
got
a
question.
I
see
no
objections
to
the
calling
of
the
question.
Therefore,
let
us
vote
house
bill
220,
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
those
opposed
likes
on
the
eyes.
Have
it
and
chairman
hawk,
you
are
going
to
be
carrying
that
one
right
on
up
to
calendar
and
rules.
Sir
congrats,
thank
you
chairman
members,
sir.
A
Next
we
have
item
number
10..
This
is
house
joint
resolution
number
eight
and
we've
got
a
motion
chairman
todd
and
already
a
second
for
you,
sir,
would
you
would
you
explain
your
house
joint
resolution?
Please
and
by
the
way,
allow
me
chairman.
If
I
may
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt,
we
do
have
members,
we
have
two.
We
have
two
testimonies
fourth
coming
here
but
chairman.
A
J
J
Congress
has
provided
our
founders
provided
and
the
constitution
for
this
manner
in
which
for
the
citizens
of
the
united
states.
It's
the
the
states
in
particular
to
call
for
a
meeting
of
delegates
from
the
states
to
actually
propose
amendments,
and
that's
all
this
is
for
it
would
call
for
once
34
states
pass
a
resolution
like
this.
Then
congress
would
have
this
request
before
them,
and
the
constitution
says
they
shall
set
a
time
and
a
place
for
the
meeting
of
those
delegates
for
one
purpose.
J
A
If
not,
if
there's
no
objections,
then
sponsor
we
will
we
are
going
to
go
out
of
obsession,
and
I
thank
you,
we're
going
to
allow
you
to
bring
your.
We
have
aaron
duquette.
I
hope
I
pronounce
that.
Where
is
aaron.
Where
are
you
aaron?
Please
be
making
your
way
on
up
here,
sir?
Now,
just
just
to
note,
as
aaron
comes
on
up
we're
going
to
we,
you
know
we're
all
looking
at
the
clock.
This
will
probably
well.
I
don't
know
how
this
is
going
to
work
out.
A
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
team
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
aaron
duquette
and
I'm
with
u.s
term
limits.
I'm
here
to
testify
for
a
measure
to
allow
the
states
to
come
together
to
propose
term
limits
for
members
of
congress
pursuant
to
article
5
in
the
u.s
constitution,
whenever
34
state
legislatures
pass
a
resolution
called
an
application
notifying
congress
of
their
intention
to
convene
the
states
to
propose
an
amendment
on
an
agreed
upon
topic.
K
Congress
is
obliged
to
call
an
amendment's
proposal
convention
where
that
topic
is
discussed
and
a
proposal
can
be
put
forth
for
ratification
by
three-fourths
of
the
states
house.
Frank
resolution
8
would
have
tennessee
call
for
a
term
limits
convention
to
cap.
The
number
of
terms
any
member
of
congress
would
be
permitted
to
serve.
K
Allow
me
to
take
a
moment
and
clear
a
misunderstanding
that
we
see
of
the
framers
with
the
constitution.
Opponents
often
employ
a
strong
man
argument
fallacy
to
attack
a
resolution
like
this.
They
claim
that
there
hasn't
been
such
a
convention
called
since
the
philadelphia
federal
convention
of
1787..
K
This
is
a
strong
man
argument,
because
if
you
read
the
text
of
article
5
itself,
it
states
clearly
that
it
authorizes
a
convention
for
proposing
amendments
which
must
be
ratified
by
thirty
three
fourths
of
the
states
to
become
a
part
of
this
constitution.
So
note
the
the
use
of
a
demonstrative
pronoun.
This
making
clear
that
proposed
amendments
once
ratified
by
the
states,
become
part
of
this.
This
same
constitution,
so
there's
no
mention
of
a
new
constitution
or
wholesale
revision
of
the
present
constitution.
K
Secondly,
an
article
5
convention
has
never
been
called.
The
reason
is
that
two-thirds
of
the
states
have
not
agreed
upon
a
topic
for
convention
at
a
given
time
over
400
such
applications
on
a
wide
range
of
subjects,
from
a
balanced
budget
to
slavery,
to
a
bill
of
rights
to
presidential
term
limits
have
been
passed
by
the
states
in
our
nation's
history.
Yet
no
such
convention
has
been
called
is
limited
to
the
scope
of
the
call.
K
K
Just
further,
you
know
point
to
you
as
well:
james
madison
defended
the
notion
that
the
the
constitutional
convention
in
philadelphia
ran
away.
He
addressed
that
in
federalist
40
and
I've
emailed
you
as
well
that
information
I
come
before
you
on
behalf
of
78
percent
of
tennessee
voters,
who
want
term
limits
on
congress,
including
voters
from
all
political
affiliations
and
demographic
categories.
K
K
I
don't
think
I
need
to
tell
you
it's
not
because
they
have
been
doing
just
such
a
bang-up
job.
It's
because
the
voters
don't
have
real
choices
and
won't
so
long
as
they.
We
don't
have
term
limits
to
ensure
open
seated
elections,
periodically
big
super
pacs,
give
out
over
nine
out
of
every
ten
dollars
to
incumbents.
Over
challengers.
High
powered
lobbyists
in
dc
have
horror
term
limits
because
it
undercuts
their
profiting
off
of
decades-long
relationships
with
congressional
lifers.
K
A
C
C
K
You
can't
sure
yeah,
no,
I
don't,
and
the
reason
is
because
we
voters
don't
have
real
choices
of
the
battle
box.
The
the
incumbency
advantage
is
so
so
strong
in
dc
that
it
precludes
serious
challengers
many
many
times
and
we
don't
have
the
kind
of
competition
we
ought
to
have
in
primaries,
and
so
voters
end
up
voting
for
the
lesser
of
two
evils.
Very
often.
C
C
C
K
Sure,
I
would
just
say
a
couple
of
things:
one
is
that
it
sort
of
apples
and
oranges
between
the
state
level
and
in
dc
dc
is
is
very
different.
The
re-election
rate,
like
I
mentioned,
is
95
96
percent
continually
in
tennessee
or
part-time
legislature.
Y'all
make
you
know,
you're
paid
what
nineteen
thousand
dollars
a
year.
You
know
to
do
this
time.
You
have
your
own
jobs
back
at
home.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
again
we
were
watching
that
clock
and
members
we're
going
to
have
to
move
on.
Thank
you,
mr
duquette.
We
appreciate
your
time
today
and
now
we're
going
to
turn
our
attention
to
the
rear
of
the
room
joanna
martin,
we're
going
to
ask
you
if
you
would
to
please
come
forward
and
as
mr
duquette.
A
H
H
H
There
were
defects
in
the
articles,
so
on
february
the
21st
1787,
the
continental
congress
called
a
convention
quote
for
the
sole
and
express
purpose
of
revising
the
articles
of
confederation.
End
quote:
well,
we
know
what
happened.
Instead
of
proposing
amendments
to
the
articles,
the
delegates
proposed
a
new
constitution
with
its
own
easier
mode
of
ratification.
H
That
is
our
sole
historical
precedent
for
a
convention
call
to
address
our
federal
constitution.
James
madison
was
a
delegate
to
that
convention
and
kept
a
journal.
His
journal
and
his
letters
prove
that
our
framers
understood
that
the
purpose
of
amendments
is
to
correct
defects
in
the
constitution,
and
the
purpose
of
the
convention
is
to
get
another
constitution.
H
H
Madison's
letters
warned
that
people
seeking
to
get
rid
of
our
constitution
would
use
getting
amendments
as
a
pretext
for
getting
another
convention
where
they
could
impose
a
new
constitution.
That's
what's
going
on
today.
The
various
applications
for
an
article
5
convention
term
limits,
bva,
free
and
fair
elections,
etc,
are
bait
which
appeal
to
different
groups
of
people
to
get
them
to
jump
on
the
bandwagon
for
another
convention
where
a
new
constitution
is
certain
to
be
imposed.
H
Any
new
constitution
has
its
own
new
mode
of
ratification.
The
proposed
constitution
for
the
new
states
of
america
is
ratified
by
a
referendum
called
by
the
president.
This
is
why
madison
alexander
hamilton,
four
u.s
supreme
court
justices,
two
conservatives
and
two
liberals
and
other
legal
scholars
born
against
a
convention.
H
You
might
ask:
how
can
they
propose
a
new
constitution
when
article
5
says
the
convention
is
to
propose
amendments?
Here's
the
answer.
The
declaration
of
independence
is
the
fundamental
act
of
our
founding
and
part
of
the
organic
law
of
our
land.
It
recognizes
the
self-evident
right
of
a
people
to
throw
off
one
government
and
set
up
a
new
one.
That's
the
provision
james
madison
relied
on
in
federalist
paper
number
40..
H
H
The
april
2014
report
of
the
congressional
research
service
shows
that
congress
understands
that
it
has
the
power
to
determine
the
number
and
selection
process
for
delegates
congress
has
the
power
to
select
the
delegates
they
can
select
themselves.
You
cannot
avoid
the
danger
with
faithful
delegate
laws.
Even
if
congress
permits
states
to
select
delegates,
you
can't
get
a
conviction
of
delegates
who
exercise
the
self-evident
right
we
exercised
in
1787
when
we
threw
off
the
articles
to
confederation
and
the
delegates
can
always
vote
by
secret
ballot.
Thank.
A
You,
ms
martin
boy,
you're
right
on
time.
We
appreciate
that
dead.
Even
five
minutes,
you
are
an
amazing
lady.
There
all
right
any
questions
to
mrs
martin,
while
she
we
have
her
in
front
of
us
here.
I
see
none,
miss
martin.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
you're.
I'm
I'm
I'm
sorry!
A
I
I
know
we,
I
know
good.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
all
right
we're
going
to
go
back
into
session,
we're
going
to
turn
our
attention
back
to
you,
chairman
todd,
but,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
chairman
husley.
That
has
got
a
question
for
you.
Our
questioning
go
right
ahead.
You're
recognized.
J
Todd.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
that
question.
There
are
several
that
I
have,
but
in
the
interest
of
time
I'm
going
to
make
a
couple
of
primary
ones.
Roger
sherman
of
connecticut
was
a
member
of
the
original
constitutional
convention,
and
later
he
wrote
that
this
was
following
article
and
the
adoption
of
the
constitution,
and
then
it
was
regarding
article
five
in
particular.
J
J
The
argument
has
been
that
this
con
this
convention
could
do
anything
they
want
to.
They
could
adopt
a
whole
new
constitution.
They
could
do
anything
they
want
to
my
counter
to
that
would
be
on
a
state
level.
We
have
95
counties
in
this
state.
You
know
what
the
county's
roles
are.
This
legislature
set
the
counties
in
place
and
keeps
them
in
place.
They
exist
at
the
will
of
this
legislature.
J
If
72
of
those
counties,
three-fourths
of
those
counties
got
together
and
said,
you
know
something
we're
going
to
meet
and
we're
going
to
propose
a
new
law
for
the
state
of
tennessee,
because
we
don't
like
xyz
law,
so
we're
going
to
propose
a
new
law
and
that
72,
which
three-quarters
of
the
counties
of
the
state
of
tennessee
decided
they
had
at
this
meeting.
They
have
now
proposed
and
passed
a
new
law.
J
Is
it
any
more
of
a
law
than
if
any
one
of
them
singly
had
passed?
That,
I
would
say?
No,
it
is
not
a
law,
because
the
constitution
we
live
under
in
the
state
of
tennessee
tennessee
does
not
allow
counties
to
pass
state
laws.
It
allows
this
body
to
pass
state
laws.
Neither
does
the
u.s
constitution
allow
for
a
meeting
of
delegates
to
pass
anything
other
than
propose
an
amendment.
That's
all
it
does,
and
that
must
be
ratified.
We
live
under
this
constitution
right
now.
J
B
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
A
13
eyes:
five
no's,
the
house
joint
resolution
eight
passes
and
we
are
moving
on
to
what
count
it
does
go
to
calendar
and
rules.
Congratulations,
chairman
todd.
Do
I
hear
a
entertainment
now
wait
a
minute
before
we
do
that.
So
I
must
add
those
the
this
counter.
Those
relating
on
the
counter
will
be
moved
to
next
week's
calendar
right
correctly.
All
right
now
do
I
hear
a
motion
to
adjourn.
We
do
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
and
I
hear
a
second.
We
have
a
second.