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From YouTube: House State Government Committee- January 18, 2022
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House State Government Committee- January 18, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Powell
wendell
vice
chairman
eldridge,
here,
chairman
kiesling,
vice
chairman,
you
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you
first
off,
I
want
to
say
our
thoughts
and
prayers
are
with
chairman
kiesling
and
his
family.
He
had
to
an
attend
a
funeral
today,
so
if
you
would
just
remember
them
today
and
with
that,
if
there's
anyone
else
has
any
personal
orders
that
they'd
like
to
represented
back.
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Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
doug
hymes,
I
am
your
house
ethics
council
and
I'm
also
the
council
to
the
select
committee
on
redistricting
and
the
the
plan
that
you
adopted.
As
amendment
number.
One
is
on
the
video
board
to
my
right
and
I
just
would
say
a
few
things
of
background
about
this
plan.
I
think,
as
many
of
you
know
by
now
that
the
2020
census
provide
a
very
dynamic
framework
for
redistricting.
The
tennessee
house
of
representatives.
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Tennessee's
population
grew
from
six
million
three
hundred
and
forty
or
six
million
three
hundred
forty
six
thousand
hundred
and
five
to
six
million
nine
hundred
and
ten
thousand
eight.
Forty,
that's
a
eight
point.
Nine
percent
growth
rate,
the
us
by
comparison,
grew
by
seven
point:
four
percent:
your
ideal
district
size
increased
from
sixty
four
thousand
one
hundred
and
two
to
sixty
nine
thousand
eight
hundred
and
six
and
of
course,
this
growth
was
vastly
different
throughout
the
state
and
uneven
17
counties
grew
by
more
than
10
percent.
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As
a
result
of
all
these
demographic
shifts,
there
was
a
essentially
a
three
seat
shift
in
representation
from
from
east
and
west
toward
middle
tennessee,
and
those
changes
are
reflected
in
the
plan.
That's
on
the
board.
As
speaker
marsh
said,
this
plan
has
an
overall
population
range
of
9.90
percent,
highest
district
district,
67
and
68
montgomery
county
or
a
positive
deviation
of
5.09
percent.
The
lowest
district
deviations
district
78
in
dixon
and
cheatham
county
is
a
negative
4.81
percent.
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There
are
30
split
counties
in
this
plan:
nine
in
west
tennessee,
nine
in
middle
tennessee
and
12
in
east
tennessee.
Seven
districts
have
paired
incumbents
one
in
rural
northeast,
one
in
knox,
county
two
in
davidson
county,
one
in
williamson,
county,
one
in
rural
middle
and
western
tennessee
on
the
boundary
and
one
in
shelby
county,
and
there
are
eight
districts
without
incumbents,
one
in
knox,
one
in
trousell
and
sumner
county,
one
in
rutherford
county
one
in
williamson,
county
three
in
davidson
county
and
one
in
montgomery
county.
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Will
you
walk
me
through?
I
guess
the
decision
process
on
how
I
guess
you
created
the
districts
like,
for
instance,
I
know
the
basics
of
of
baker,
v
carr
and
one
person,
one
vote
and
the
voting
rights
act
and
the
population
variance
and
limiting
counties
and
can
be
split
and
natural,
geographic
boundaries
etc.
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This
plan
was
this
plan
was
adopted
at
the
select
committee's
meeting
on
december
17th,
so
from
august
mid-august
to
mid-december
those
meetings
and
discussions
occurred,
and
then
it's
basically
a
balancing
of
everything.
You
mentioned
the
constitutional
provisions,
the
statutory
provisions,
just
the
census
data
and
the
demographic
shifts
itself
and
then
is,
is,
is
balance
and
and
creates
this
while
trying
to
comply
with
all
of
those
different
requirements
that
you
have
to
comply
with.
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Jernigan,
that's
that's,
that's
accurate.
I
think
my
role
is
to
help
guide.
The
committee
with
crafting
a
constitutional
plan
for
this
house
of
representatives
is
statutorily
compliant
constitutional
and
compliant
with
the
guidelines.
In
the
case
of
the
house
plan
the
house
guidelines
that
were
adopted
at
the
meeting
in
oh
gosh
in
september.
I
think
so
all
those
I
tried
to
facilitate
that
and
to
facilitate
those
meetings
with
the
with
the
members.
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Okay,
I
have
two
more
questions:
okay,
representative,
all
right.
Well,
thank
you!
So
we
kind
of
skipped
through
about
going
from
district
to
district,
because
that
would
take
a
very
long
time,
but
I
want
to
talk
specifically
about
rutherford
county
and
in
la
verne,
where,
according
to
the
sense
that
the
latino
and
african-american
residents
are
now
more
than
50
of
the
population
of
the
city
of
la
verne,
creating
a
majority
minority
city
or
basically,
a
coalition
city.
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I
don't
know
if
I
should
address
this
to
you,
because
I
can't
imagine
you,
as
doug
heim
sitting
there
drawing
it
up
thinking.
This
is
a
good
idea,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
who
makes
this
decision
and
the
justification
for
it,
and
I
guess
is
that
going
to
be
the
committee
and
do
I
address
that
to
someone
that
said
on
the
committee
or
do
I
address
that
to
you
about
why
that
city
was
split
up
in
the
way,
the
manner
that
it
is.
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Mr
chairman,
representative
jernigan,
so
I
think,
there's
there's
rutherford
county
is
a
good
example
of
a
county
that
benefited
in
this
cycle
gained
an
entirely
new
seat
and
it
grow.
It
grew
so
much
in
the
last
decade
that
they
went
up
to
five
full
districts.
Last
decade
they
had
the
district.
This
decade
they
had
the
district.
When
you
do
that,
you
have
to
balance
just
like
statewide
and
staying
within
that
population
range.
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You
have
to
add
that
fifth
district
and
it
has
to
balance
within
that
county
so
that
all
the
seats,
knowing
that
there's
four
incumbent
members
already
there
and
you're
creating
a
new
one.
So
normally
in
the
process,
you
figure
out
what
those
in
you
know
in
in
some
of
these
counties,
for
example,
rutherford.
You
want
to
know
what
the
preferences
are
of
those
folks
that
that
that
live
there
and
that
are
representatives
there.
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It's
traditionally
been
the
same
in
in
house,
church,
96
and
currently
it's
affected
minority
coalition
district.
Right
now
and
in
this
plan,
we're
dividing
up
cordova
and
there's
a
thin
line
extending
from
cordova
almost
to
the
mississippi
river
and
I'm
just
kind
of
asking
what
the
rationale
was
for
that
change.
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Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
so
you're
you're
talking
about
96,
which
is
the
green
colored.
The
light
green
district,
where
the
hand
is
right
now,
which
is
this
is
the
proposal
so
in
in
shelby
county
is
another
good
example
of
a
county
that,
unlike
rutherford
county
between
the
two
censuses,
and
once
we
got
the
census
data
back,
was
one
of
the
counties
that
didn't
make
out
so
well.
Rutherford
county
benefited,
shelby
county
did
not
shelby
county
went
from
14
districts,
the
beginning
of
the
of
this
cycle.
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In
this
proposal,
shelby
county
has
13
districts,
one
of
those
districts
moved
to
rutherford
county.
In
fact,
you
could
think
about
it
either
move
it's
the
the
newer,
the
districts
that
shifted
rutherford
county,
the
one
in
charlesdale
and
in
sumner
county
part
of
sumner
in
montgomery,
county
shelby,
county
lost,
a
district
shelby
county
also
is
has
nine
currently
nine
majority
minority
districts
and
this
plan
the
plan
that
has
been
adopted.
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This
is
in
an
urban
county,
but
you
also
have
these
shifts
directionally
in
the
rural
areas,
where
folks
will
pick
up
different
counties
that
draw
them
instead
of
going
north
and
east
that
go
east
and
west,
or
vice
versa.
So
96
a
product
of
the
population
lost
to
shelby
county
in
compliance
with
the
voting
rights
act.
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Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
this
this
this.
The
proposal,
including
districts,
96
and
98,
that
do
split
the
cordova
area,
which
is
part
of
the
city
of
memphis,
comply
with
the
guidelines,
statutory
requirements
and
constitution,
including
the
voting
rights
act
as
as
drawn.
Could
you
draw
them
a
different
way?
I
think
that's
possible.
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If
you
draw
you
could
draw
any
of
these
districts
a
different
way.
I
would
suggest
that
you
know
that
there
are
districts
in
memphis,
there's
parts
of
memphis
that
are
in
south
western
memphis
that
are
overwhelmingly
african-american,
total
population
and
voting
age
population,
and
that's
the
same
in
east
tennessee,
there's
parts
of
east
tennessee,
they're,
overwhelmingly
white,
and
in
order
just
to
balance
and
to
maintain
those
nine
districts,
this
particular
district
changed
its
shape
from
more
of
a
north-south
to
an
east-west
and
that's
just
the
pure
balancing
of
of
the
population.
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When
I
lost
part
of
my
district
in
madison
and
in
east
nashville
that
it
was
to
balance
the
minority
majority
districts,
district
54
and
harold
love's
district
due
to
gentrification,
there
had
been
some
shifts
and
demographics
and
which,
which
I
was
I
was.
I
was
glad
to
have
the
explanation
of
of
the
change
of
my
district.
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I
think,
started
after
the
census.
Data
came
back
at
at
62
percent
white
voting
age
compared
to
starting
the
decade
about
63
african-american,
so
definitely
had
to
to
juggle
those
districts
to
make
sure
that
they
were
in
full
compliance
with
the
voting
rights
act,
and
I
think
both
of
these
districts
comply
fully
with
the
voting
rights
act.
They
both
maintain.
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I
gave
up
a
large
swath
of
minority
representation
for
my
district
for
district
54
to
keep
it
a
majority
minority
district
which
it
should
be.
That's
that's
that's
the
way
it
should
be,
but
then
this
proposal
takes
out
a
swath
of
african-american
demographics,
where
it
just
so
happens
that
our
our
chairman
lives
in
and
gives
it
to
a
district
that
is
80
white.
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Mr
chairman
represent
back,
we
do
preserve
the
majority
minority
district
in
district
54.
and
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
I'm
the
best
person
to
answer
your
question,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
not
every
african-american
resident
in
that
part
of
of
of
west
nashville
is
included
in
district
54.,
and
it's
in
it's
it's
it's
impossible.
I
mean
you.
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50
is
74.13
white,
it's
11.7
african
american
voting
age,
it's
4.3
percent
asian
and
6.89
hispanic
voting
edge.
So
you
know
it's
not
there
are
there
are
african-american
residents
throughout
the
state
and
and
they
they,
the
asian
citizens.
Hispanic
citizens
are
not
under
this
plan,
packed
into
a
few
districts.
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E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
representative,
beck
representative
beck.
I
think
it's
just
a
decision
as
part
of
the
process
in
redistricting,
balancing
these
districts
within
davidson
county
and
making
sure
that
this
plan
is
compliant
with
the
guidelines,
statutory
and
constitutional
provisions.
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E
So,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative
beck.
I
think
you
know,
under
the
locker
decision
the
maximum
that
that
court
tennessee
supreme
court
suggested
that
we
split
is
30..
This
plan
does
split
30.
and
when
you
go
east
we
started
in
some
ways
going
east.
We
had
some
there's
population
issues
coming
out
of
the
northeast
corner
and
you
start
splitting
counties
that
you
don't
have
any
choice.
But
to
split,
could
you
split
yeah?
E
Well,
yeah
fewer,
possibly,
and
I
think
that
becomes
a
policy
decision
about
those
but
you're
always
going
to
split
more
counties,
probably
closer
to
26
25
27
28,
and
then
you
have
the
discretion
to
split
counties.
Although
we
try
not
to
this
one
splits
30.,
I
think
you
referred
to
a
plan
that
split
that
was
introduced
at
split
23.
I
think
that
that
plan
was
evaluated
to
the
select
committee
as
well
and
it
appears
to
violate
the
locker
decision
interpreting
the
constitution
because
it
split
shelby
county.
E
If
you
don't
split,
shelby
county
shelby
county
this
time
could
have
been
13
or
14
districts,
you
do
one
or
the
other.
What
you
do.
What
you
don't
do
is
is
split
it
I
would
suggest,
and
if
you
don't,
if
you
do
split
it,
you
wind
up
splitting
fewer
counties
in
west
tennessee,
but
you've
done
it
by
doing
something
that
the
locker
decision
suggests
that
you
shouldn't.
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E
You
represent
back
the
the
select
committee,
the
officers
that
I
mentioned.
The
area
leaders
worked
with
the
members
and
worked
across
the
state.
A
lot
of
your
county
splits
occur
in
the
in
the
rural
areas
and
just
going
across
the
state
and
building
99
districts
in
95
counties.
That's
when
those
decisions
would
be
made.
Some
aren't
like
I
said.
Some
of
them
aren't
real
decisions,
for
example,
I'll,
say:
hawkins
county
had
to
be
split.
There
was
no
way
around
it,
just
because
of
a
bubble
of
population.
E
So
there's
something
you
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
choice
of
other
county.
That
is
a
one.
You
don't
have
any
choice
of
sumner
county.
I
mean
it
had
too
much
population
for
three.
It
had
too
little
for
three
full
and
it
kneel
a
little
bit
more,
and
so
it
was
split
and
attached
to
another
county.
So
you
get
some
of
those.
But
then
you
have
a
few
that
you
all
have
some
discretion
on.
Just
like
the
the
senate
has
some
discretion
on
on
splits
as
well.
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Are
there
any
questions
for
mr
hymes
on
on
house
bill
1037,
while
we're
out
of
session,
seeing
none
we'll
go
back
in
session
and
speaker
johnson
you're
recognized?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
intend
to
offer
an
amendment
reflecting
the
senate
redistricting
plan
presented
to
us
today
on
the
floor.
So
I
would
renew
my
motion
to
move
house
bill
1037
to
calendar
and
rules
you
we
have
a
second
and
we've
heard
the
motion
to
move
house
bill
1037.
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E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
doug
hymes
counsel
to
the
select
committee.
The
congressional
plan
is
to
my
over
my
right
shoulder
on
the
board,
for
you,
the
same
demographic
shifts
that
that
we
faced
or
you
faced
when
it
came
to
the
the
house
plan
and
the
same.
The
demographic
shifts
that
the
senate
had
to
to
also
consider
are
in
play.
With
the
with
the
congressional
plan
district
nine
started
the
after
we
got
the
census.
E
Results
was
down,
77
122
people,
district
8
was
down
51
524
people,
district,
8
or
9
typically
would
only
get
from
district
8,
meaning
that
district
8
was
down
128
000.
same
issues
in
west
or
east
tennessee,
not
to
the
extent
is
west.
The
first
district
was
down
41
049
people,
the
third
district
down
29
345
people,
the
second
district
grew
5963,
but
those
three
districts
were
down
a
total
of
sixty
four
thousand
four
thirty
one.
E
This
plan
that
you
see
is
reflecting
the
amendment
number
one
that
you
adopted
has
changed
from
the
presentation
that
we
had
last
week
in
the
select
committee
and
in
public
service
in
four
ways.
Speaker
marsh
mentioned
one
one
of
those
ways
and
and
I'll
draw
your
attention
to
that
one
again
and
the
others.
So,
in
the
plan
that
was
presented
to
the
select
committee
in
public
service
last
week,
hancock
county
was
split,
hancock
county
and
this
is
no
longer
splits
entirely
in
the
first
district.
E
D
E
D
Okay,
then,
I
guess
I'll
just
I'll
ask
this
question
then,
if
that
I
currently
live
in
the
fifth
and
I'll
continue
to
live
in
the
fifth
if
this
plan
goes
through,
but
with
the
new
plan
about
a
mile
and
a
half
away
from
me
in
my
district
is
also
the
sixth
congressional
district
which
stretches
east.
You
know
nearly
to
knoxville.
D
E
C
C
C
E
E
Davidson
county
has
been
whole
the
last
decade
the
decade
before
it
was
split,
and
it's
this.
This
plan
presented
to
you
today
is
a
split
davidson
county
three
ways,
and
I
can
just
tell
you,
as
the
as
the
non-partisan
attorney
staffer,
for
the
select
committee
that
what's
presented
to
you,
complies
with
the
the
statutory
and
constitutional
guidelines.
C
Representative
beck
well
it
it
saddens
me
this.
This
plan
saddens
me.
It
saddens
me
for
the
for
the
rights
of
people.
It
saddens
me
for
if,
if
somebody's,
having
constituent
problems
with
social
security
or
va
administration,
we're
going
to
have
to
instead
of
saying
you
live
in
nashville
call
the
congressman
from
davidson
county
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
where
you
live,
and
you
know
we
may
get
a
really
good
constituent
service.