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House Transportation Committee- February 1, 2022- House Hearing Room 1
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Members
we
do
not
have
a
calendar
today,
but
we
do
have
some
very
special
guests
and
we're
glad
that
they're
here,
I
think,
they're
going
to
be
sharing
some
very
good
information
that
you
will
appreciate
and
our
guests
are:
first
presenters,
donna,
england,
president,
ceo
of
the
tennessee
trucking
association
and
we'll
follow
that
with
the
interim
commissioner
and
deputy
commissioner
of
tdot,
who
will
give
us
an
update
on
the
improve
act
and
that'll
be
interesting
as
well.
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Thank
you,
chairman
howe.
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
everyone
today
and
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
state
of
trucking
in
tennessee.
My
name
is
donna
england,
and
I
am
the
president
and
ceo
of
the
tennessee
trucking
association
and
vice
president
of
our
tennessee
trucking
foundation.
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This
is
a
huge
number,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
most
interested
in
is
how
do
we
get
more
drivers
in
our
industry
and,
as
we
go
along
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
touch
on
a
couple
of
ideas
that
we
have
that
we
think
will
be
important
to
help
that
the
american
trucking
associations
did
this
this
survey
last
year
they
concluded
that
pre-pandemic
we
were
60
000
drivers
short
in
our
industry
and
then,
of
course,
in
2021.
That's
where
the
80
000
number
comes
from
and,
as
you
see
it
just
continues
to
rise.
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The
american
trucking
associations
is
predicting
that
by
2030
we
will
be
short,
160
000
truck
drivers.
When
you
think
about
that,
you
also
have
to
wonder.
Why
are
we
short
this
many
truck
drivers,
and
what
can
we
do
to
increase
these
numbers
if
we
continue
trending
the
way
we're
trending,
it
will
take
over
a
million
drivers
to
enter
our
industry
to
be
able
to
have
enough
drivers
by
2030.
D
Industry
growth
is
another
reason
that
we
are
in
need
of
truck
drivers,
and
then
you
have
drivers
leaving
our
industry
before
retirement
the
pandemic.
I
think
encouraged
a
lot
of
that,
because,
when
truck
drivers
are
out
on
the
road
and
their
truck
stops
are
shutting
down,
they
won't
let
them
come
in
to
use
the
restrooms.
D
The
rest
areas
are
shutting
down,
won't,
let
them
stop
and
rest.
I
think
a
lot
of
drivers
just
decided
to
get
out
of
the
industry.
So
not
only
do
we
have
an
aging
workforce,
we
have
drivers,
leaving
our
industry
prior
to
them,
normally
their
normal
retirement
age,
that
they
would
stay
also,
some
of
those
contributing
factors.
It's
not
one
single
factor
that
these
drivers
are
leaving
or
we're
not
able
to
get
more
drivers
in
our
industry.
D
There's
not
one
single
fact
that
adds
up
to
there's
a
lot
of
facts
that
add
up
to
why
we
need
more
drivers
and
why
we
can't
get
them.
Lifestyle
is
another
issue
lifestyles
with
our
truckers,
our
long-haul
truckers
being
out
on
the
road
five
six,
seven
ten
days
at
a
time
and
coming
home,
and
they
only
get
to
spend
a
few
days
with
their
family.
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D
Well,
you
can
only
increase
their
pay,
so
much
or
the
companies
won't
be
able
to
stay
in
business,
so
there's
got
to
be
other
ways
to
encourage
the
drivers
to
stay
and
to
continue
working
for
us
and
one
of
those
I
think
this
number
48
500
is
a
no
it's
a
2020
number.
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D
You
know
the
housing
market
is
booming
in
tennessee
they're,
making
sure
that
you
have
all
the
goods
to
build
these
homes,
and
it
is
these
truck.
Drivers
do
a
lot
for
us
and
I
think
that
we
don't
recognize
them
as
much
as
we
should.
So
it's
important
for
us
that
they
get
the
recognition
and
we
give
them
pat
on
the
back
for
the
job
that
they
do
for
us.
They
are
essential
workers.
D
So,
if
you
think
about
it,
that's
a
huge
number
that
comes
in
by
truck
98
or
excuse
me.
90.5
percent
of
tennessee
communities
depend
exclusively
on
trucks
to
move
their
goods
through
tennessee.
If
you
take,
for
example,
where
I'm
from
smithville
tennessee,
we
would
not
have
anything
if
it
weren't
for
trucks
we
do
not
have.
D
You
know
we
have
a
small
airport,
we
don't
have
waterways
and
we
don't
have
trains
coming
through
smithville
tennessee.
With
that
being
said,
we
depend
exclusively
on
trucks
to
deliver
our
goods.
D
The
drive
safe
act,
which
was
introduced
with
the
infrastructure,
it
was
voted
in
with
the
infrastructure
plan.
It
has
actually
changed
its
name.
It
is
called
the
truck
driver
apprenticeship
program.
It
is
a
pilot
that
they're
going
to
open
up
for
three
years
to
18
to
20
year
olds.
This
is
one
of
those
important
factors
that
we
think
will
help
alleviate
some
of
the
driver
shortage.
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They
will
also
have
to
have
an
experienced
driver-
that's
at
least
26
years
of
age,
with
two
years
or
more
experience
or
two
years
or
more
with
that
company,
as
well
as
five
years
experience
in
the
industry,
and
then
these
trainees
will
have
to
complete
some
extensive
training,
which
is
more
than
what
they
have
to
do
now.
It'll
be
a
total
of
400
hours
in
the
two
probationary
periods
before
they
will
be
allowed
to
operate
in
interstate
commerce.
Currently,
right
now,
the
18
to
20
year
olds
are
allowed
to
operate
in
intrastate
commerce.
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D
Hopefully
this
will
help
once
this
apprenticeship
program
starts.
It
will
help
get
more
folks
in
our
industry,
the
young
folks.
We
lose
them
when
they
come
out
of
high
school
and
we
can't
get
them
because
they
end
up
in
a
different
career.
They
end
up,
you
know,
doing
one
career,
maybe
two
careers
and
then
maybe
in
their
30s
middle
30s.
We
finally
get
them
in
our
industry.
So
it's
important
to
find
ways
to
bridge
that
gap
to
get
them
from
the
high
school
into
our
industry.
So
then
we
can
hopefully
keep
them
and
retain
them.
D
Be
pro
be
proud
is
one
of
those
ways
that
we're
working
on
trying
to
get
into
our
high
schools,
so
these
students
know
that
there
is
a
great
career
path
with
the
trucking
industry.
This
is
a
mobile
workshop
that
was
started
in
arkansas
arkansas
when
other
states
seen
it.
They
said
this
is
great.
We
want
this
in
our
state.
There
are
several
other
states
that
have
also
done
the
be
pro
be
proud.
You
have
south
carolina,
they
have
one
tractor
trailer
in
their
state.
Georgia
has
a
small
mobile
unit
in
their
state.
D
Several
states
are
looking
at
this.
North
carolina
has
gotten
funding
for
two
units
in
their
state.
I
don't
think
they've
got
the
truck
up
and
going
yet,
but
they
do
have
the
money
to
fund
it.
Of
course,
we're
looking
at
going
in
partnership
with
four
other
associations:
tennessee,
road
builders,
tennessee
forestry,
the
state
chamber
of
commerce
and
industry
and
associated
builders
here
in
tennessee,
the
mobile
workforce
or
workshop.
What
it
does
is
it
has
virtual
stations
inside
the
mobile
workshop.
You
take
it
out,
it's
on
a
trailer
tractor,
trailer
set
it
up.
D
D
D
They
can
make
anywhere
from
starting
out
as
a
truck
driver,
45
000,
and
that
pay
just
increases
with
the
more
experience
they
get.
This
there's,
of
course,
other
opportunities.
It's
not
just
truck
driving.
We
have
our
technicians.
Technician.
Shortage
is
also
a
part
of
what
we're
experiencing
with
the
technician
shortage
and
then,
as
far
as
other
career
paths,
you
know
you
don't
think
about
it,
but
in
our
industry
you
need
I.t.
Folks,
you
need
hr
folks,
you
need,
you
know,
just
tons
of
administrative
business.
D
D
D
If
you
go
across
our
state
and
you
look
every
morning,
I
was
coming
in
this
morning
to
nashville,
and
I
saw
several
tractor
trailers
parked
on
the
on-ramp
on
the
exit
ramps.
This
is
a
safety
issue.
There
has
been
crashes
where
there's
been
fatalities
where
these
tractor
trailers
have
been
parked
on
the
on-ramps
and
off-ramps,
where
somebody's
hit
them
maybe
cross
the
median
and
run
into
them.
So
it's
important
for
us
that
we
try
to
come
up
with
ways
to
create
more
truck
parking
in
tennessee.
D
The
annual
cost
for
a
driver
is
5500
or
12
percent
annual
cut
and
driver
pay
due
to
truck
parking,
and
the
reason
is
is
because
they
quit
driving
every
day
at
least
56
minutes.
You
know
we
could
lose
up
to
56
minutes
per
day
with
these
drivers.
You
have
to
put
yourself
in
their
shoes,
they
have
11
hours
to
drive
every
day
and
at
that
10th
hour,
they're
thinking
about.
Where
am
I
going
to
park
for
the
night?
D
I've
got
to
find
a
place
to
park,
so
they
pull
into
one
truck,
stop
they
drive
around
and
if
you've
ever
been
into
any
of
these
truck
stops
of
an
evening,
they're
full.
So
they
have
to
get
back
out
on
the
interstate
and
go
up
to
the
next
exit
get
off
at
this
exit
and
see
if
there's
any
truck
parking
here.
This
is
taking
up
their
time.
So
at
this
point
they
might
they
probably
decide
I'm
just
going
to
pull
over
and
park
on
an
on-ramp
or
an
off-ramp,
because
I
cannot
find
parking.
D
So
it's
really
important
for
us
that
we
definitely
help
our
drivers
create
more
truck
parking
truck
parking.
The
truck
parking
safety
improvement
act
was
introduced
in
congress
last
year.
They
are
also
working
on
it
this
year.
It's
something
that
hopefully,
if
it
is
passed,
will
give
states
more
funding
to
be
able
to
provide
more
truck
parking.
One
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
over
the
years
that
I
think
is
has
been
unnecessary
is
all
of
the
studies
that
we
have
done.
Federal
highway
has
done
on
truck
parking.
D
You
pay
all
these
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
for
these
studies
and
still
don't
create
truck
parking.
We
probably
wouldn't
be
talking
about
truck
parking
if
we
had
spent
those
funds
on
actual
truck
parking
so
trying
to
come
up
with
ways
to
help
us
and
help
our
drivers
and,
of
course
you
know,
we
want
them
safe
out
there
and
we
we
do
want
to
encourage
you
know
any
ideas
to
help
improve
our
truck
parking.
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
you
being
here
today
and
helping
us
get
a
feel
for
some
of
the
challenges
that
this
industry
has,
because
I
know
we
all
rely
on
them
very
heavily.
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
by
certainly
young
drivers
is
what
appears
to
be
the
need
for
mechanical
certification,
somebody
to
be
a
certified
mechanic
to
be
able
to
pass
the
pre-inspection
test.
E
D
D
I
think
that
they
do
need
to
know
where
those
components
are
on
their
vehicle
and
the
pre-trip
inspection
is
not
where
they
would
ever
have
to
work
on
the
truck,
but
they
need
to
know
that
if
there's
a
safety
issue
before
they
drive
that
truck
and
if
they
can
look
at
it,
you
know
check
their
tires,
make
sure
that
their
tires
are
inflated,
make
sure
they
don't
have
any.
You
know
wires
showing
through
their
tires.
E
Follow-Up,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
certainly
not
saying
that
anyone
has
complained
about
the
pre-trip
inspection
and
the
necessity
of
that.
I
would
certainly
agree
with
you
that
that's
critical,
I
think
it's
it
can
get
pretty
technical,
at
least
with
some
testing
centers
get
very,
very
technical,
which
I
think
that
may
be
what
the
complaint
is
about
is.
E
Yes,
I
need
to
know,
base
the
basics
of
what
I
need
to
inspect,
what
it's
supposed
to
look
like
the
things
to
look
for,
but
the
specific
name
of
a
part-
and
you
know
maybe
how
it
functions
or
something
like
that
internally
and
I'm
again
that
may
be
an
exaggeration
I've
gotten-
I
don't
know,
but
that's
the
kind
of
thing
I'm
I'm
talking
about.
I
don't
know
how
much
of
a
hindrance
that
really
is
to
folks
getting
into
that.
D
Yeah
and
I
guess
if
we
could
look
at
the
pass
rate-
the
failures,
how
many
are
failing
their
pre-trip
inspection
that
could
maybe
help
us
to
determine
if
that
might
be
an
issue
I
do.
I
do
know,
because
I've
done
it,
that
you
have
your,
you
know,
training
class
and
then
some
of
that
is,
you
know,
kind
of
left
up
to
the
examiner's
opinion
as
to
whether
or
not
they
inspected
it
correctly.
So
that
could
be
some
area
that
we
could
definitely
work
on.
F
I'm
glad
you
elaborated
on
the
rest
area
situation
that
we're
involved
in.
I
know
senator
bailey
and
I
a
few
years
ago
and
in
this
committee
made
every
effort
we
could
to
try
to
allow
parking
on
our
on
our
ramps
now
thp
at
that
time
was
opposed
to
parking
on
the
shoulder
of
these
ramps
on
the
off
ramp,
but
only
get
on
ramp,
as
I
call
it,
they
didn't
have
a
problem,
but
tdot,
of
course,
was
opposed
to
that
they.
F
The
effort
was
defeated
successfully
by
tdot,
but
I
we
received
a
promise
from
tdot
at
that
time
that
there
would
be
an
effort
in
trying
to
accommodate
more
parking.
I
haven't
seen
it,
but
maybe
we'll
just
hear
that
in
their
upcoming
report.
I
hope
so
and
I
don't
understand
sound
a
little
bit
critical,
but
I
am
disappointed
that
I
haven't
seen
any
improvement
in
in
there
because
it
is,
if
you're
not
in
a
hole,
as
I
call
it
by
five
o'clock.
F
Six
o'clock
in
the
travel
plaza
you're
out
of
luck,
their
their
reasoning
behind
that
on
the
ramp
parking
was
that
they
just
don't
construct
their
shoulders
to
accommodate
80
000
pounds
of
stationary
weight.
Well,
I
get
it
but
again
nothing.
You
know
I
I've
not
seen
anything
now
I
want
to
move
on
to.
If
I
may,
mr
chairman,
I
have
a
follow-up
to
that.
100,
we're
short
160
000
drivers
is
that
that's
a
national
number,
obviously
correct,
correct,
okay!
F
Well,
48
000
is
just
something
almost
to
sneeze
out
and
I'm
not
being
critical.
Your
membership
needs
to.
I
think
I
mean
where's.
48
000
is
just
no
money
to
be
out
there.
Logging
265
days
a
year
being
away
from
home,
and
it
just
isn't,
of
course
I'm
this
is
I'm
applying
that
to
the
over-the-road
otr
guys
is
there?
How
attractive
is?
Was
the
platooning
issue
a
few
years
ago
when,
when,
when
any
past
year
successfully
did
has,
has
there
been
any
movement
in
that
software.
D
I
think
that
they're
still
working
on
platooning
as
as
far
as
it's
it's
not
going
to
be
a
one
size
fits
all
and
platooning.
You
can
of
course
only
do
it
in
certain
areas
depends
on.
You
know
the.
I
think
that
one
of
our
members
actually
tried
doing
the
platooning
process
and
I'm
not
sure
that
they're,
even
still
in
the
works
as
far
as
trying
to
you
know,
but
is.
D
F
Yeah
it,
mr
chairman,
I
have
a
follow-up.
F
D
D
I
think
that
what
you
end
up
with
is
attorneys
that
get
into
the
mix,
and
you
know
if
they're
professional,
then
they're
supposed
to
be
perfect,
and
so
that
makes
it
really
hard
for
companies
to
to
say
you
know.
My
truck
driver
is
a
professional,
but
we
do
have
very
professional
drivers
out
on
the
road.
F
Oh,
I
understand
that.
I
know
that
are
you
all
concerned
is
the
association
concerned
with
the
past
48
hours,
72
hours
in
canada,
on
the
on
the
efforts
on
going
up.
There,
we've
got
owner
ops
and
other
company
drivers
that
are
shutting
down
opposed
to
the
you
know
the
efforts
of
canada.
Can
you
can
you
respond
to
that.
D
D
Not
we're
opposed
to
it
being
mandatory.
We
feel
like
that.
It
should
be
the
driver's
choice
whether
or
not
they're
vaccinated,
and
yes,
we
do
feel
like
that.
It
is
an
issue
with
the
canadian
border.
Definitely
and
I'd
like
to
address
one
other
thing
that
you
mentioned
as
far
as
tdot
and
the
rest
areas.
D
One
thing
that
we
had
several
of
our
members
call
us
and
they've
made
mention
or
they've
made
comments
that
there
are
signs
posted
at
our
rest
areas
and
these
signs
say
you're
limited
to
may
and
I
believe
it's
two
hours
of
parking
and
no
overnight
parking.
A
lot
of
these
folks,
don't
feel
like
that
they
can
park
in
our
rest
areas
and
spend
and
do
their
10-hour
break.
That's
required.
D
So
then,
of
course,
we've
reached
out
to
tdot
about
this,
and
tdot
has
told
us
that
that's
something
that
they
have
to
post
in
these
rest
areas.
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
the
you
know
what
their
reasoning
is
behind
that,
but
it
is
something
that
I
feel
like
that
we
need
to
address
because
a
lot
of
truck
drivers.
Yes,
a
lot
of
truck
drivers
park
in
those
rest
areas
and
ignore
the
signs,
but
a
lot
of
them
don't
feel
like
that
they
can,
when
they're,
passing
through
tennessee,
because
that
sign
is
there.
F
Well
and
further,
not
every
tour
of
duty
is
going
to
conclude
at
five
and
six
o'clock
p.m.
Tours
can
can
conclude
at
noon
of
a
day,
so
I
mean
we.
We
have
to
have
adequate
parking
for
them,
but
again
the
the
concern
is
of
of
the
evening
parking
those
that
you
know
it
just
happens
that
it
works
out
that
way,
donna.
Thank
you
very
much
again
for
being
I'm
I'm
through.
Mr
chairman.
B
Members,
I'm
going
to
have
to
call
a
halt
to
this
and
miss
england.
I
hope
that
you
will,
if
you
have
time,
hang
around.
We
have
several
members
on
the
list
who
I'm
sure
would
love
to
talk
to
you
one-on-one,
but
we
have
to
give
adequate
time
to
tdot
who's
waiting
patiently
and
they're
here,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
coming
and
members
I
apologize.
We
just
don't
have
time
for
any
more
questions
on
this
particular
topic,
but
we'll
move
forward.
Thank
you
again
for
coming.
Thank.
B
All
right
department
of
transportation
glad
to
have
you
with
us
today
we
have
with
us,
commissioner,
interim
commissioner,
joel
galvano
and
who
is
also
the
chief
financial
officer
for
tdot
he's
got
all
the
answers
for
any
financial
questions.
You
may
have
members,
and
we
have
deputy
commissioner
and
chief
engineer
paul
deggs
and
preston
elliott
deputy
commissioner
environmental
bureau
chief,
and
we
are
glad
to
have
you,
gentlemen,
with
us
and
I'm
sure,
from
what
we've
heard
a
while
ago.
B
You'll
have
plenty
of
questions
when
you
finish
with
your
presentation,
mr
we're
glad
to
have
you
with
us.
Please
please,
you
recognize
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Paul,
do
you
want
to
address
a
little
bit
on
the
rest
area,
real,
quick
before
we
start
sure.
G
Sure
paul
diggs
chief
engineer,
tennessee
dot.
I
guess
I
will
just
touch
base.
I
know
that
truck
can
y'all,
don't.
G
That
better,
I
know,
truck
parsec
parking
is
an
issue,
and
I
I
did
want
to
just
make
a
couple
of
comments
that,
since
about
2004
we've
increased
truck
parking
on
state-owned
facilities
about
24
percent.
It's
part
of
the
improve
act.
We
have
identified
some
truck
parking
about
another
20
increase,
but
even
those
increases
are
are
small
in
comparison
to
the
need
out
there.
G
I
think
ms
england
did
a
good
job
of
kind
of
pointing
out
representative
kiesling,
I
know
is
talked
about
the
issue
of
a
lot
from
a
from
a
technology
standpoint.
We
do
have
some
efforts
underway
to
try
to
be
able
to
use
technology
to
allow
truck
drivers
to
know
if
there's
a
vacancy
at
at
a
truck
stop.
G
We
actually
did
a
pilot
project
in,
I
believe
bradley
county
at
a
truck
stopped
where
we
got
a
grant
from,
I
believe
the
department
of
energy
to
to
put
technology
in
place
to
where
the
truckers
could
know.
If
there
was
a
vacancy.
As
ms
england
pointed
out,
one
of
the
time
wasters
is
getting
off
the
interstate
looking
for
for
a
parking
spot.
G
G
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
competing
locations
where
people
want
us
to
spend
money.
Do
we
spend
a
dollar
improving
capacity
of
a
facility?
Improving
you
know,
widening
a
road
or
do
we
spend
it
on
on
truck
parking,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
to
wrestle
with.
Some
of
these
things
are
policy
issues,
and
we
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
working
with
the
tennessee
general
assembly
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
that
policy
decision
correct.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you
paul.
So
we'll
get
started
with
our
presentation.
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
chairman
than
you
would
ask
for
the
improve
act.
We
wanted
to
give
you
the
same
presentation.
We
gave
to
the
senate
transportation
that
way.
Everybody's
got
the
same
information,
so
we
want
to
talk
about
iija
very
quickly,
so
a
very
good
friend
of
mine,
who
is
a
partner
in
one
of
the
biggest
accounting
firms,
said
to
me.
He
says
oh
you're,
getting
six
billion
dollars
this
year.
A
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
it
and
I
said:
well,
it's
actually
6.2,
but
it's
not
in
one
year
it's
over
five
years
and
oh
by
the
way
we
already
got
four
and
a
half,
so
it
is
an
increase,
but
it's
not
life-changing
so
he
said.
Well,
I
don't
think
people
understand
that.
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we
make
sure
everybody
knows
that,
so
I
want
to
go
through
these
slides
very
quickly.
So
this
is
where
the
iija
and
the
fast
act
are
actually
comparable,
so
the
nhpp
sdbg.
A
A
Cmac
is
a
congestion
mitigation,
air
quality
things
to
remove
pollutants
from
the
atmosphere,
the
metropolitan
planning,
that's
for
the
mpo
operations
and
freight
freight
projects.
So
that's
where
the
iija
and
the
fast
act
are
actually
comparable,
and
you
can
see
year
over
year
or
five
years
over
five
years,
it's
up
23,
which,
which
is
good.
Now
there
is
more
money
there.
If
we
go
to
the
next
page.
A
This
is
where
the
iija
goes
away
from
the
fast
act,
so
the
carbon
reduction
and
protect
initiatives.
These
are
for
resiliency
and
green
initiatives,
new
programs-
we
don't
have
the
eligibilities
yet,
but
we
await
them
to
find
out
what
we
can
spend
them
on
the
bridge
rehabilitation.
We
do
actually
have
some
guidance
now
and
it
is
pretty
much
as
paul
had
said
to
us.
It
is.
It
is
going
to
allow
us
to
do
more
bridge
rehabilitation,
which
is
good.
Here's.
My
editorial
comment,
so
the
state
of
tennessee.
A
We
normally
get
about
2.1
percent
of
all
formula
funding
because
paul's
people,
we
inspect
bridges
every
two
years,
at
least
because
we
constantly
maintain
our
bridges
and
because
it
doesn't
cost
an
inordinate
amount
of
money.
We
only
got
1.1
percent
of
this
money,
so
basically
it
seems
to
us
in
tennessee
that
it's
rewarding
bad
behavior,
because
we've
done
well,
we
get
less
of
this
funding,
so
we
we're
not
happy
with
that
and
then
there's
some
more
money
in
here
for
the
electric
infrastructure,
etc.
A
A
A
I
also
want
to
alert
you
to
that
927
million
dollar
number.
So
over
five
years.
That
number
is
185
million
dollars
a
year.
If
I
take
it
out
by
region,
it
is
46
million
dollars
per
region.
So
again
the
iija
is
good,
but
it's
not
life-changing
to
us.
The
five-year
bill
is
what
we've
needed.
We've
talked
to
you
about
this
for
years,
so
we're
glad
we've
got
that
and
the
increased
funding
in
addition
to
what
you
heard
last
night
from
the
governor's
address,
will
help
us
propel
some
of
the
improve
back
projects.
A
Think
about
that
70
billion
dollars.
This
new
plan
did
not
require
70
billion.
It
required
almost
120
billion
dollars
of
general
fund
infusion
under
any
definition
of
stable
and
reliable
funding.
One-Time
general
fund
infusions
is
not
it.
They
should
have
taken
some
actions
on
a
revenue
solution,
but
they
did
not.
So
that's
disappointing.
A
A
Last
last
bullet
point,
I
think,
is
worth
knowing
in
tennessee.
We
would
prefer
just
to
get
the
formula
funding
rather
than
having
to
compete
and
who
knows
what
the
the
different
eligibilities
are
so
we'd
rather
go
that
way,
quick
overall
breakdown
of
the
ija.
A
A
So
many
of
you
heard
that
we've
got
a
new
strategic
plan.
We
have
four
pillars:
we're
picking
this
up
from
what
commissioner
bright
has
set
forth.
There's
a
data
driven
pillar.
There
is
a
25-year
plan,
pillar
and
ipd
in
epic.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
ipd,
so
this
is
integrated
program
and
project
delivery.
A
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
improve
our
project
delivery.
We
do
a
decent
job
today,
but
we
can
be
much
better
if
you
think
about
what
we
do.
The
life
cycle
of
a
project
is
pretty
extensive.
We
plan
for
a
project,
then
we
design
it.
We
construct
it
after
it's
constructed.
We
have
to
maintain
it
and
after
we
maintain
it
and
keep
going
on
that
route,
we
have
to
manage
the
system
and
manage
congestion.
A
So
there's
a
lot
involved
here
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
are
more
accountable
for
scope,
schedule
and
budget
when
the
scope
creeps
and
gets
bigger
schedules.
Slip
and
project
budgets
get
blown
out
of
the
way,
and
we
want
to
get
better
on
that
and
also
in
this
team-based
approach
to
delivering
our
projects,
we
will
inspire
innovation.
A
I
know
we
sound
like
our
parents,
but
paul
told
us
as
all
the
kids
talk
about
things
that
are
epic.
We've
got
to
come
up
with
something
that's
epic,
so
they
came
up
with
this
acronym
because
we
are
not
only
a
data-driven
organization
but
to
provide
a
a
way
to
make
tdot
the
premier
employer
in
tennessee.
We,
the
4
000
of
us
who
work
here,
think
this
is
one
of
the
best
places
to
work.
A
A
H
Try
it
now:
okay,
preston,
elliott,
chief
of
environment
and
planning,
with
tdot
I'd
like
to
share
an
update
on
an
initiative
that
we've
been
working
on
for
some
time,
especially
in
light
of
a
lot
of
discussion,
you've
heard
about
electric
vehicles
and
and
funding
and
so
forth.
This
effort,
actually,
the
state
of
tennessee
for
more
than
a
decade,
has
been
working
on
alternative
fuels
as
a
as
a
component
of
our
transportation
infrastructure
and
mobility.
H
The
the
five
fuel
sources
that
we
look
at
is
compressed
natural
gas,
propane,
liquefied
natural
gas,
hydrogen
and
then
also
electric
vehicles
or
electric
electricity.
Excuse
me
so,
the
in
the
early
2000s,
the
state
was
involved
in
biofuels,
so
e85.
If
you
have
seen
any
of
that,
as
as
you
traveled
about
the
state
in
recent
years
since
about
2016,
we've
really
begun
to
help
identify
plan
and
designate
corridors
meeting.
H
On
the
slide
that
you'll
see
here,
there
are
corridors
along
the
interstate
that
meet
several
different
definitions.
For
alternative
fuels
and
being
first
in
the
south
in
terms
of
jobs
and
investment
in
ev,
it's
quite
a
a
initiative
that
really
fits
well
with
our
economic
development
and
growth
that
we're
seeing
across
the
state.
H
So
this
effort
is
not
just
by
the
department
we
also
collaborate
and
coordinate
with
a
lot
of
different
agencies
across
the
state,
tva
t,
dec
and
other
partnerships.
H
Last
in
2019,
we
actually
undertook
a
I-40
corridor
study
with
the
states
of
north
carolina
and
arkansas,
so
that
as
individuals
travel
across
our
state
along
the
interstate
system,
if
they
are
using
an
electric
vehicle,
they
won't
have
what's
called
range
anxiety,
whether
they
know
where
or
the
opportunity
to
fuel
their
vehicle.
This
is
going
to
become
more
and
more
important
as
we
move
forward.
H
Commissioner
gabado
has
mentioned
about
the
88
million
dollars
that
come
that
will
be
coming
to
our
state
for
electric
vehicles,
there's
also
a
discretionary
grant
program
that
allows
for
additional
funding
opportunities
and
that
broad
range
of
alternative
fuels.
I've
mentioned-
and
that's
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
update
on
that.
G
So
again,
paul
paul
doug's
chief
engineer,
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
this
committee
is
aware
of
you
know
the
tennessee
general
assembly
was
part
of
the
recruitment
effort
to
get
the
ford
motor
plant
over
in
west
tennessee,
and
I
know
I
was
with
representative
todd
on
friday.
G
Looking
at
a
project
in
jackson
and
afterwards
I
went
out
to
the
the
mega
site
out
there
in
haywood
county
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
part
of
that
recruitment
effort
is
tdot
has
been
tasked
with
building
several
roads.
If
you
see
on
the
exhibit
here,
we've
got
a
new
interstate
interchange
at
mile
marker
39
on
I-40.
G
We
need
to
build
the
state
route,
194
extension
that
that's
going
to
connect
I-40
to
the
north,
up
to
highway
70
state
route,
1
to
the
south
state
route,
59
plus
in
a
a
connector
road.
That's
going
to
connect
state
route
222
with
the
the
new
state
route
194
through
the
the
mega
site.
It's
about
200
million
dollars
worth
of
work.
G
The
tennessee
general
assembly
did,
in
the
special
session,
bring
dollars
to
the
table
for
for
tdot
to
construct.
It
we're
on
a
very
accelerated
schedule,
working
with
a
ford
motor
company
to
coincide
our
project
completion
and
and
opening
up
the
interchange
for
access
with
opening
of
the
facility
in
2025.
So
it's
a
lot
of
work.
We
are
using
one
of
the
project:
delivery
tools,
an
alternative
delivery
tool,
called
cmgc
construction
manager
general
contractor
that
this
body
pass
legislation
that
allows
us
to
use
for
that
alternative
delivery.
G
It's
a
very
accelerated
pace.
If
you
can
imagine
to
be
able
to
build
a
project
like
this.
Fortunately
it
is
in
a
predominantly
rural
area
where
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
utility
impacts
and
we
don't
have
numerous
numerous
property
owners
that
that
we
have
to
deal
with
as
well
also
wanted
to
talk
about
the
improve
act.
I
know
chairman
howell
had
asked
us
to
kind
of
give
us
well.
Where
are
we
at
on
the
improve
act?
G
If
you'll
recall,
there
was
962
projects
in
the
legislation
when
we
start
digging
into
delivering
the
projects,
for
instance,
there's
a
piece
of
I-65
north
of
nashville
that
it
just
it
wasn't
practical
to
deliver
it
all
in
a
single
project.
So
we
broke
it
up
into
four
pieces
and
across
the
state
we've
had
to
do
that,
so
the
962
have
have
now
been
subdivided
into
1017
projects
with
514
of
those
underway
and
173
of
them
have
been
completed.
G
G
You
know
30
40
percent,
that
we
still
have
yet
to
get
to,
but
and
we
don't
exactly
know
how
long
it's
going
to
take.
But
I,
as
commissioner
gail
botto
has
mentioned
the
core
money
and
the
ija
is
going
to
allow
us
to
really
ramp
up
it's.
It's
not
a
huge
amount,
but
still
about
a
20
increase
in
these
types
of
programs
that
that's
going
to
allow
us
to
move
these
projects
along
quicker.
B
Can
you
elaborate
before
I
turn
it
to
the
members?
Can
you
elaborate
on
the
funding
that
we
were
pleased
to
hear
about
last
night
from
the
governor's
presentation
about
the
100
million
that
goes
into
the
improve
act?
How
will
that
help
accelerate
the
completion
of
those
projects
that
were
actually
in
code
and
the
improve
act
in
2017.
A
B
G
So
you
see
five,
the
514
underway
and
you
can
break
that
down
into
302
in
the
engineering
phase.
100
in
the
right-of-way
acquisition
phase
and
112
are
actively
under
construction
right
now
and
then
173
are
complete
yeah,
so
so
we're
making
progress,
but
we
still,
you
know,
there's
a
thousand
projects
here
and
we've
got.
You
know
about
300
of
them
a
little
over
300
of
them
left
to
go
that
we've
not
had
a
chance
to
get
started
on.
Yet
some
of
those
are
bridges.
Some
of
them
are
the
larger
projects.
G
I
think
you
know,
commissioner
galbatto-
and
I
have
have
talked
about
this-
a
lot.
We
have
really
kind
of
the
173
that
are
complete.
We've
knocked
out
a
lot
of
the
real
easy.
You
know
the
the
smaller
bridge
replacement
type
projects,
the
the
projects
that
we're
starting
to
dig
into
now
are
some
of
the
mo
more
difficult.
I
mean
you
know,
interstate
widening
projects,
some
of
the
projects
in
the
preliminary
engineering
phase.
You
know,
I-24
from
the
georgia
state
line
going
into
chattanooga
getting
around
moccasin
bend,
that's
going
to
be
tough
yeah.
B
And
can
you
comment
for
my
constituents
who
were
under
the
impression
that,
as
soon
as
we
passed
the
improve
act,
we
were
going
to
get
everything
done
in
just
a
matter
of
a
short
time?
The
improve
act
actually
would
the
funding
was
over
a
period
of
years?
Is
that
correct?
Can
you
comment
on
that.
G
When
we
put
that
list
together
and
we
talked
about
how
would
it
pay
for?
Certainly,
we
came
up
with
a
dollar
figure
and
it
would
have
needed
to
be
indexed
and,
of
course,
what
ultimately
passed
in
the
general
assembly
was
about
half
the
amount
of
money
that
we
had
proposed
and
it
did
not
include
an
indexing
feature.
So
our
ability
to
deliver
that
in
10
years
was
was
not
there
and
we
testified
to
that
in
committee,
and
so
you
know
we're
projecting
somewhere.
G
In
the
you
know,
20
25
year
time
frame
from
when
the
bill
was
passed
with
the
new
iij,
a
money
and
the
the
one-time
money
for
the
general
assembly.
It's
going
to
allow
us
to
improve
on
those
schedules.
It's
very
hard.
You
know
inflation
is
pretty
rampant
right
now,
probably
over
five
percent.
In
our
industry
and
our
revenue
is,
is
better,
but
it,
as
commissioner
gilbatto
mentioned,
we've
not
got
a
windfall
in
in
funding.
As
of
yet
okay.
B
We
do
have
several
questions,
people
on
the
list
and
we're
short
on
time
members.
So
if
you
could
keep
your
questions
as
brief
as
possible
for
our
guests,
representative
grills
europe.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
gentleman
for
being
here
just
real,
quick
that
hundred
million
dollars
will
that
even
without
even
walk
with,
and
will
it
even
walk
with
inflation.
As
far
as
what
it's
going
to
do
to
your
budget.
G
You
know
to
you,
know,
widening
highway
60
in
bradley
county,
and
so
you
know
and
five
percent
of
1.3
billion
dollars.
E
I
I
could
help
you
spend
that
if
you
needed
to
but
but
my
questions
really
are
about
maintenance,
how
do
you
evaluate
a
later
date?
Is
that
the
plan
to
talk
about
some
of
the
maintenance
issues
and
different
things
across
the
state.
A
I
mean
we'll
we'll
talk
about
that.
I
mean
I
what
we've
always
tried
to
make
sure
everyone
understands.
So
when
we
put
our
budget
together,
the
first
thing
we
do
is
we
take
money
off
the
top
for
state
of
good
repair
so
put
in
perspective,
so
we
always
spend
a
lot
of
money
in
2020
we
spent
360
million
dollars.
That's
a
lot
of
money
off
the
top.
It's
not
360
million.
Today
it's
440
million
and
our
budget
for
fiscal
23
calls
for
460
million.
A
G
Right
with
two
rough
winters,
certainly
this
time
of
year,
our
pavements
are
showing
distress
but
we'll
get
that
cleaned
back
up,
though,
follow
up.
Mr.
B
Chairman
I'll
just
wait
until
we
have
that
that
very
good,
a
representative
town,
do
you
recognize.
I
Thank
mr
chairman,
I
thought
he's
going
to
blow
over
him
and
mr
chairman
last
time
in
this
time
in
the
right
time
and
we're
here.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
again
paul's
always
good
to
see
y'all
y'all
do
a
great
job.
Always
I
always
learn
a
tremendous
amount.
Okay,
but
I
have
a
couple
of
three
things
myself.
You
talk
about
the
energy
mixing,
anybody
can
take
it
and
make
it
short
for
me
that
energy
makes
is
solar.
A
part
of
that
energy
makes
now.
As
you
relate
to.
I
know,
there
are
airplanes
that
are
flying
around
the
world.
Utilizing
solar
energy
so
are.
I
H
Very
good
question:
solar
is
obviously
preston,
elliott,
chief
of
environment
planning.
Your
comment
about
solar,
I
think
you're,
seeing
more
and
more
applications
of
it
in
our
industry.
Everything
from
supporting
signals
to
lighting
there's
solar
farm
in
west
tennessee.
You
see
off
I-40,
there's
more
desire
as
we
look
at
the
alternative
fuel
component
specifically
on
on
electric,
if
you're
trying
to
work
towards
zero
emissions,
you
need
a
renewable
energy
source
because
at
current
time
that's
going
to
be
supported
by
other
electric
generation.
So
solar
is
an
important
component
to
that.
G
I
As
you
as
you
know,
down
there,
we
had
a
debacle
down
there
with
the
bridge
down
there
and
the
mayors
and
the
chamber,
and
a
lot
of
us
were
interested
in
a
third
bridge
in
that
area.
So
duane-
and
I
talked
about
that-
and
we
reached
out
to
federally-
want
to
talk
to
you
all
about
making
sure
that's
the
possibility.
We
lost
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
just
in
a
little
span
of
time,
not
to
even
think
about
what
potentially
could
happen
to
human
beings
in
terms
of
safety.
A
Sure
so
I'll
handle
it
first
paul
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
it.
So
I'm
actually
meeting
with
the
the
secretary
of
arkansas
this
week
to
talk
about
what
they
think,
as
well
as
far
as
the
third
bridge,
where
it
would
go
the
costs
right
now.
As
far
as
we're
concerned
again,
I
have
to
put
on
my
cfo
hat.
The
cost
is
extensive,
it's
probably
at
least
a
two
billion
dollar
project
for
a
brand
new
bridge,
so
we're
looking
at
some
different
alternatives.
So
is
the
third
bridge.
A
The
alternative
is
tearing
down
the
I-55
bridge
and
creating
a
bigger
wider
bridge
than
the
best
issue,
we're
trying
to
figure
that
out,
but
again
it'll
involve
most
likely
having
to
get
something
out
of
these
federal
grants
in
washington.
Remember
on
this
iija
there's
about
27
billion
dollars
of
bridge
money
out
there
for
significant
bridges.
We
would
like
to
go
after
some
of
that,
but,
as
you
all
know,
we're
not
usually
really
successful
at
getting
them.
The
last
time
we
got
any
significant
grant
was
for
lamar
avenue
at
71
million
dollars.
I
Let
me
share
this
with
you
at
the
federal
level.
They've
already
said
that
that
we
that
they
would
help
us.
Okay,
that's
coming
from
buddha,
jig's
office,
okay,
but
they
would
help
us
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
duane
and
myself
are
involved
in
that
with
arkansas,
because
I'm
talking
to
people
over
there
as
well
now
the
third
bridge
itself
is
important
because
of
a
number
of
transporting
of
goods
and
services.
However,
we're
in
an
earthquake
zone.
I
Okay,
if
you
got
to
get
people
in
and
out
okay,
we
need
to
have
multiple
modes
of
being
able
to
transport
people.
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like.
However,
that
is
that's
frightening
to
think
about,
but
it
could
happen.
God
forbid
that
it
does
and
widening
the
bridge.
We
can't
stand
for
a
bridge
to
be
down
at
this
point
for
one
to
be
torn
down,
and
one
bridge
just
will
not
cut
it.
It's
not
going
to
do
it.
A
Yes,
sir,
so
I
mean
we,
we
will
involve
everybody
all
those
key
stakeholders,
but
at
first
point
I
just
want
to
talk
to
give
the
secretary
of
arkansas
her
ability
to
chime
in
as
to
what
they
can
do
again.
It's.
It
is
a
financial
issue,
and
I
I've
heard
the
secretary
buddha
judge
has
said
he's
going
to
to
help.
But
what
does
help
mean?
Does
help
mean
250
million
of
a
two
billion
dollar
project
doesn't
mean
one
and
a
half
billion.
I
That
before
you
go
to
that
help
means
to
me
old-fashioned
do-raid
me
fosso
la
ti,
dosa
money,
the
real
money
and
it's
going
to
cost
more
in
the
future.
To
do
it
and
it's
going
to
have
to
eventually
be
done
at
some
point.
We
need
the
money.
I
think
we
should
make
the
ass
for
what
it
is
and
line
our
people
up
and
then
the
delivery
is.
You
have
three
components.
You
got
arkansas
ourselves
and
then
you
got
the
federal
government.
It's
not
going
to
get
any
cheaper,
it's
not
going
to
get
any
cheaper.
B
C
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
tina
for
being
here
real
quickly.
I
know
that
tdot
focuses
on
their
priority
on
safety,
and
I
have
constituents
who
are
watching
this
committee
meeting
right
now
with
this
concern
with
blowouts
windshield
damages
and
tractor
trailers
losing
their
ability
to
stay
on
the
road
because
of
the
mass
amounts
of
peeling
and
all
this
whatever
this
mix
is
that
is
on
especially
between
the
smith
county
line
going
east
and
west
into
putnam
county.
It's
extremely
dangerous.
C
So
how
soon
will
you
be
able
to
tend
to
that
emergency
area
on
the
interstate
going
east
and
west
from
the
smith
county
line
and
the
putnam
sure
so.
G
Paul
daggs
chief
engineer,
so
the
short
answer
is:
we
already
have
an
emergency
contract
through
our
contracting
mechanism
in
place.
It's
temperature
limited.
I
will
note
that
we,
the
the
type
of
failures
that
we're
seeing
out
there,
are
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
again
the
bad
weather,
but
it's
an
open
graded
friction
course
is
the
type
of
pavement
that
we're
seeing
most
of
the
failures.
G
I
will
note
that
that
pavement
has
our
data
shows
a
34
reduction
in
wet
crashes
through
the
life
of
the
the
pavement,
so
the
balance
that
we're
trying
to
get
from
a
safety
standpoint
is,
if
I
see
a
34,
you
know
decrease
in
in
crashes,
because
I,
the
type
of
pavement,
we're
using
reduces
spray,
reduces
hydroplaning,
that's
a
good
thing,
but
when
it's
at
the
end
of
its
useful
life
and
then
we
get
bad
weather,
it's
coming
up
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
deal
with
so
it
I
want
to
be
careful
and
not
to
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bath
water
here,
the
it
the
and
I'm
I've
had
members
of
the
general
assembly
comment
to
me
about.
G
What's
that
new
asphalt
that
you
don't
get
spray
when
you
go
past
an
18-wheeler,
that's
this
type
of
asphalt,
and
so
there's
there's
pros
and
cons,
but
I
know
that
our
customers
are
struggling
right
now
we
are
hurrying
to
get
out
there.
Do
it
it's
not
just
I-40.
We've
got
some
spots
across
the
state.
We've
got
a
construction
zone
north
of
nashville
that
it
just
it
came
loose
on
us,
so
we're
working
to
it,
but
research.
G
We
do
a
lot
of
research
in
the
asphalt
area
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
our
customers
the
best
safety
experience,
but
certainly
we
don't
like
the
fact
that
it's
come
to
pieces.
If
we
just
paved
it
last
year,
we
would
probably
beat
ourselves.
You
know
beat
beat
us
to
the
punch,
but
you
know
three:
big
winter
storms
have
have
been
done.
A
number
on
that
type
of
asphalt.
This
is
the
end
of
its
life.
B
Gentlemen,
thank
you
so
much.
We
are
out
of
time.
We
have
to
give
up
this
room,
but
I
want
to
thank
each
of
you
for
coming
good
information
and
we'll
continue
this
conversation.
The
next
time
you
come
to
the
committee,
but
I
want
to
just
for
the
record.
You
guys
have
a
very
difficult
job.
I
know
that
I
think
the
committee
knows
that,
because
everybody
hates
potholes
and
you
do
a
really
good
job
overall,
I
think-
and
I
just
want
to
commend
you
and
thank
you
for
coming
today,.