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This is the 2021 Annual Ethics Training for the House of Representatives, presented by Doug Himes and the Bureau of Ethics & Campaign Finance.
A
Welcome
to
the
2021
annual
ethics
training
for
the
tennessee
house
of
representatives
presented
by
the
tennessee
bureau
of
ethics
and
campaign
finance,
I'm
doug
himes,
your
house
ethics
council.
This
year's
training
format
is
a
little
different
from
years
past,
but
I
think
it
will
be
just
as
informative
and
enjoyable
after
viewing
the
program,
don't
forget
to
fill
out
the
training,
certification
form
and
return
it
to
me.
A
B
I
appreciate
that
kind
introduction
by
doug
himes,
the
chief
ethics
officer
of
the
house,
as
many
of
you
know,
doug,
and
I
work
closely
together
on
all
the
issues
we
face
and
that's
important-
that
we
work
together
not
only
with
doug
but
also
russell
humphries,
his
counterpart
in
the
senate,
and
we
have
a
good
working
relationship
with
both
of
them.
We're
here
today
for
your
annual
ethics
training,
as
doug
mentioned.
I
want
to
say
good
morning
to
speaker
sexton
and
to
members
of
the
house
who
will
be
viewing
this
presentation.
B
B
it's
a
little
different
than
it
has
been
in
the
past.
Usually
I
would
be
sitting
in
the
house
chambers,
along
with
lauren,
topping
our
general
counsel
who's
here
with
me
to
to
my
left,
and
we
would
be
providing
this
presentation
to
you
in
person,
but
because
of
covet
19
containment
efforts,
we're
doing
this
by
video
and
we're
happy
to
do
so.
We
hope
it
works
out.
Well
for
you,
as
I
just
mentioned,
I
have
our
general
counsel
from
the
bureau
of
ethics
and
campaign
finance
to
my
left.
B
Lauren
topping
she's
going
to
be
assisting
me
with
this
presentation
and
we
have
off
camera
our
assistant
director,
lance
for
sale
as
we
get
through
the
presentation
director
for
sale
is
going
to
ask
us
questions
and
we're
going
to
respond
to
those
questions
to
kind
of
have
a
give
and
take.
As
you
know,
that
kind
of
give
and
take
is
required
by
the
statute
you
passed,
so
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
as
well.
B
B
As
you
know,
almost
a
year
ago
now
we
began
we
entered
into
the
covet
19
pandemic
and
we're
still
struggling
with
that
today
we're
all
hopeful
that
the
vaccine
is
quickly
and
efficiently
distributed,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
back
to
normal
sometime
in
the
near
future.
But
it's
been
a
tough
year
and
a
tough
start
to
2021
still
dealing
with
the
covet
19
pandemic.
B
B
B
I
know
I
talked
to
my
mother
and
by
the
way
deputy
speaker
chris
johnson.
When
you
see
this,
you
know
my
mother,
you
know
her
very
well
and
I
talked
to
her
just
last
night
and
she
expressed
again
and
every
time
I
talk
to
her.
She
expresses
this
concern
about
where
the
country
is
going
she's,
85
years
old,
and
she
thinks
the
country
is
in
the
worst
shape
that
she's
seen
and
remember.
B
She's
lived
through
the
depression
through
world
war
ii
through
the
demonstrations
of
the
1960s
and
she's
more
worried
about
our
country's
future
today
than
she
ever
was,
but
I
told
her
and
I
will
tell
you
that
I
am
confident
when
I
get
through
these
problems,
we're
going
to
emerge
united
as
we
always
do
and
confront
the
problems
we
face.
We're
going
to
get
through
this
pandemic,
we're
going
to
get
through
the
problems,
disturbances
in
the
street,
we're
going
to
come
out
stronger
than
we
ever
have.
B
I've
got
some
cheat
notes
in
front
of
me
that
I'm
going
to
rely
on
so
when
you
see
me
looking
down
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
again,
as
I
stated
I'm
here
today
for
your
annual
ethics
training,
as
required
by
you,
the
general
assembly
of
the
members
of
the
general
assembly,
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
campaign
finance
which
general
topping
is
going
to
deal
with,
and
also
the
ethics
commission,
which
I'm
going
to
address.
Those
are
the
topics
we're
dealing
with.
You
have
materials
that
have
been
delivered
to
you,
two
sets
of
materials.
B
B
You
also
have
the
general
assembly
training
materials,
which
is
a
little
different,
because
it's
actually
got
a
compilation
of
the
statutes
we
operate
under
the
rules
and
regulations
we
operate
under
and
a
question
and
answer
session
that
deals
with
the
exceptions
to
prohibited
gifts
by
lobbyists
and
employers
of
lobbyists.
A
lot
of
you
have
a
lot
of
questions
around
whether
a
particular
gift
is
prohibited
or
not.
Maybe
it
follows
them
with
within
one
of
those
exceptions
and
those
questions
which
I
give
doc
hymes.
B
A
lot
of
credit
for
developing
when
he
was
with
us,
are
very
helpful
in
helping
you
walk
through
that
process,
so
pay
attention
to
those
questions
and
the
answers
to
those
questions
a
little
bit
about
who
we
personally
are
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
lady
to
my
left,
lauren
topping
she
is
our
general
counsel
she
came
over
after
I
was
retained.
I
hired
her
from
the
secretary
of
state's
office
where
she
worked
with
their
general
counsel
and
with
secretary
trey
hargett.
B
I
want
to
say
I
greatly
appreciate
secretary
hargett,
giving
up
lauren
topping
to
allow
her
to
come
over
and
do
our
legal
work
at
the
bureau
of
ethics
and
campaign
finance
that
she's
been
refined,
also
off
camera.
We
have
assistant
director
lance
for
sale.
Many
of
you
know
lance
from
his
days
as
chief
of
staff
for
lieutenant
governor
ron
ramsey.
B
I
got
to
know
him
when
he
was
in
that
position.
He
knows
capitol
hill.
He
knows
the
folks
around
here
and
he's
been
an
invaluable
acquisition
to
our
office
and
finally,
we've
got
the
staff
that
my
predecessor
drew
rollins
had
in
place
they're
always
willing
to
answer
your
questions.
We
encourage
people
to
call
us.
Let
us
know
if
you've
got
any
questions,
we
want
to
keep
you
out
of
trouble
and
us
out
of
trouble
and
the
best
way
we
do.
B
B
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
almost
40
years
of
practice
in
the
legal
field,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
the
tennessee
attorney
general's
office.
Again,
that's
where
a
lot
of
you
know
me
from
I
also
spent
10
years
with
blue
cross
blue
shield
of
tennessee
down
in
chattanooga
as
their
general
council
chief
compliance
officer
and
family.
I
was
deputy
commissioner
over
tennessee
commerce
and
insurance.
B
So
the
interesting
thing
about
me
is
I'm
one
of
those
rare
individuals
that
serve
both
in
the
judicial
branch,
the
legislative
branch
and
the
executive
branch
so
hopefully,
and
familiar
with
how
government
works
here
in
tennessee.
And
that's
that's
briefly
my
background
and
again
many
of
you
know
me
from
past
history.
B
This
year
we
intend
to
hit
the
highlights
of
the
program
and
again
it's
a
little
different
environment.
Usually
I'd
have
you
in
front
of
me
asking
questions?
That's
not
going
to
happen
this
year,
but
we're
going
to
hit
the
highlights,
we're
going
to
focus
in
on
campaign
finance
and
ethics
and
we're
going
to
leave
time
for
assistant
director
for
sale
to
hit
us
with
questions,
and
hopefully
we're
going
to
know
the
answers
to
those
questions.
If
we
don't
we're
going
to
pause
this
tape
and
get
the
answers
for
you,
so
here
we
go.
B
What
is
the
the
bureau's
purpose?
Why?
Why
did
the
general
assembly?
Why
did
you
create
the
bureau
of
ethics
campaign
finance,
and
it's
quite
simple-
and
I
I
pulled
this
from
the
powerpoint-
is
to
sustain
the
public's
confidence
in
government
by
increasing
the
integrity
and
transparency
of
state
and
local
government
through
regulation
of
lobbying
activities,
financial
disclosure
requirements,
campaign,
finance
and
ethical
conduct.
B
The
key
word:
there
is
transparency.
We
on
our
website
are
providing
information
to
the
public
and
to
the
press
about
what
campaign
contributions
are
being
made.
What
possible
conflicts
of
interest
you
or
or
as
public
officials
may
have,
though
you're
filing
the
statements
of
interest
who
are
lobbyists
are
who
are
political
action?
B
I
have
a
quote
in
here
from
adelaide
stevenson.
I
think
it's
a
great
quote,
particularly
in
these
times,
public
confidence
and
integrity
of
the
government
is
indispensable
to
faith
and
democracy,
and
when
we
lose
faith
in
the
system,
we
have
lost
faith
in
everything
we
fight
and
spend
for.
So
our
job
is
to
promote
public
confidence
in
not
only
what
you
as
state
officials
are
doing,
but
also
in
our
local
officials.
We
work
with
our
local
officials
closely
on
ethics
matters.
B
B
There
were
a
series
of
scandals
that
led
to
the
creation
of
the
bureau
of
the
ethics
commission
and
to
the
strengthening
of
the
ethics
laws
in
tennessee
first
and
I'm
old
enough
to
remember
this
was
the
ray
blatten
pardons
and
paroles
scandal.
As
many
of
you
recall,
governor
blatton
was
accused
and
some
of
those
around
him
were
accused
of
selling
pardons
and
pros
to
the
highest
bidder.
B
In
fact,
the
scandal
was
so
bad
that
lamar
alexander,
who
was
the
incoming
governor,
was
sworn
in
early
in
order
to
prevent
any
further
scandal
in
the
pardons
and
paroles
area,
and
that
happened
in
the
1970s,
and
I
I
can
remember
it.
I
was
actually
in
high
school
and
college
then,
and
then
we
fast
tracked
into
the
about
1984
to
1989,
and
we
have
what's
called
the
rocky
top
investigation
and
the
members
of
the
press.
They
label
these
investigations.
They
come
up
with
very
interesting
names.
What
did
rocky
top
involve?
B
It
involved
illegal
activity
around
charity
bingo.
At
that
time,
charity
bingo
was
a
legal
activity
in
tennessee
you
could
get
a
license
to
operate
a
charitable
bingo
operation.
Unfortunately,
the
allegation-
and
in
fact
it
was
subsequently
proof
many
of
these
licenses-
were
being
sold
to
highest
bidder
and
they
weren't
being
sold
for
charitable
purposes.
B
Governor
mcnally,
yeah,
our
lieutenant
governor
in
the
senate,
was
in
the
house
at
the
time
and
he
actually
wore
wire
at
the
request
of
the
tbi
and
the
fbi
in
this
matter.
A
very
brave
and
courageous
stand
by
him
to
ensure
that
any
problems
were
identified
and
they
were
dealt
with
and-
and
he
can
still
give
you
a
lot
of
details
about
that,
and
I
read
that
he
was
actually
offered
a
bribe
himself
while
he
was
wearing
that
wire.
What
happened
in
that?
B
As
a
result
of
that
investigation,
we
had
50
convictions,
including
a
conviction
of
the
house
majority
leader
at
the
time,
tommy
burnett.
We
had
two
individuals,
the
secretary
of
state,
ginger,
crowl
and
ted
ray
miller,
who
was
a
legislator
who
committed
suicide
when
they
received
subpoenas
to
testify
about
this
matter?
B
A
very
deep
scandal
for
the
state
of
tennessee,
and
so
then
we
move
up
a
few
years
later
and
we
get
to
what's
called
the
tennessee
waltz.
This
occurred
in
2002
2008.
Actually
I
was
a
racial
lobbyist.
During
this
time
we
had
undercover
tbi
fbi
agents
who
were
offering
legislators
bribes
in
order
to
vote
for
legislation
to
help
the
company
the
fictitious
company
that
they
had
created,
sell
the
votes
for
legislation,
that's
what
it
was
all
about.
They
went
undercover
and
unfortunately,
they
found
legislators
who
were
willing
to
take
money
to
sell
their
votes.
B
Ultimately,
they
paid
out
150
thousand
dollars
in
bribes
about
seven
legislators
were
convicted.
As
a
result
of
this
investigation,
two
county
commissioners
were
convicted.
It
was
at
that
time
the
general
assembly
said
enough
is
enough
and
they
created
the
ethics
commission.
They
overhauled
the
ethics
statutes
in
this
state
and
they
said
nevermore.
Are
we
going
to
have
these
problems
and
that's
the
purpose
of
the
ethics
commission
and
the
ethics
laws?
B
It's
also
why
you
have
your
own
ethics
officers
to
deal
with
these
issues,
not
to
say
these
issues
will
not
arise
again,
but
that
we
have
a
mechanism
in
place
to
deal
with
them
and
it
will
deal
with
them
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
what
is
the
bureau
how's?
The
bureau
work.
As
I
said,
the
bureau
deals
with
campaign
finance
and
also
ethics.
We
actually
have
two
boards.
There
are
12
members
of
the
bureau
that
act
as
a
single
bureau,
but
really
composed
of
two
boards.
B
First,
we
have
the
ethics
commission,
which
is
composed
of
six
members.
Interestingly
enough,
each
member
is
we
have
two
members
selected
by
the
governor
two
members
selected
by
the
speaker
of
the
house,
two
members
by
the
speaker
of
the
senate,
and
they
are
required
to
be
equally
divided
between
democrat
representatives
and
republican
representatives,
so
we
have
a
3-3,
partisan
division
on
the
ethics
commission,
at
least
in
the
selection
process.
The
same
is
true
of
the
registry
board,
which
deals
with
campaign
finance.
B
The
members
selected
two
by
the
governor
two
by
the
speaker,
the
senate,
two
by
the
speak
of
the
house,
but
the
mechanism
requires
that
half
be
democrats
and
half
be
republicans
and
again
that's
to
ensure
that
there's
no
partisan
swing
to
either
one
of
these
boards
at
the
end
of
the
day
again.
The
reason
we
have
this
is
transparency
both
in
ethics
and
campaign
finance.
B
At
this
time,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
campaign
finance,
and
that's
why
this
lady
is
to
my
left
she's
going
to
handle
the
campaign
finance
part
of
this
presentation
and
I'm
going
to
return
to
you
for
the
ethics
commission
presentation.
I
have
to
give
you
a
little
background,
the
history
of
why
we're
here
so
with
that
lauren,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
you
to
talk
about
campaign
finance,
go
ahead.
C
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
So
as
you're
all
aware,
state
law
requires
that
candidates
for
the
general
assembly,
as
well
as
elected
members
file
campaign
finance
disclosures
periodically
for
those
of
you
that
were
up
for
re-election
in
2020.
The
fourth
quarter
report
was
just
recently
due
on
january,
the
25th
so
get
that
in
as
soon
as
you
can,
if
you
haven't
already
the
next
report,
that
you'll
need
to
be
aware
of
will
be
the
mid-year
supplemental
report,
which
won't
actually
be
due
until
july,
the
15th
of
this
year.
C
So
you
have
plenty
of
time
on
that.
One
pacs
are
also
on
the
same
schedule.
They
have
a
fourth
quarter
report
and
then
the
mid-year
report
in
july
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
up
for
re-election
or
election
in
2020.
The
next
report
that
you
will
need
to
file
will
be
the
year-end
supplemental
report,
which
is
actually
going
to
be
due
in
a
few
days
on
february,
the
1st
so
getting
into
what
the
reporting
requirements
actually
are
on.
Each
of
these
reports
you're
required
to
disclose
all
contributions
received
and
all
expenditures,
including
in-kind
contributions.
C
In-Kind
contributions
are
those
where
someone
pays
for
a
service
or
product
on
your
behalf,
and
you
don't
yourself,
actually
pay
for
it.
Failure
to
file
these
reports
in
a
timely
manner
can
result
in
civil
penalties
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
and
if
you
are
assessed
a
civil
penalty
and
fail
to
pay
it
and
file
the
report,
you
can
also
be
prevented
from
qualifying
in
any
future
election
for
your
position.
C
You
must
continue
to
file
all
of
these
reports
until
you
have
a
zero
dollar
balance
on
hand,
a
zero
loan
balance
and
a
zero
obligation
balance
on
your
account.
So
if,
for
some
reason
any
of
you
are
not
seeking
re-election
and
are
looking
to
close
your
account
in
the
coming
months,
remember
that
there
is
only
a
limited
number
of
acceptable
uses
for
unexpended
campaign
funds.
C
C
C
C
This
rule
does
not
apply
to
pax,
but
keep
in
mind
that
a
pac
can
not
make
an
in-kind
contribution
to
a
candidate
for
that
candidate's
on
own
personal
use.
Examples
of
prohibited
personal
uses
are
laid
out
in
the
statute
that
you
all
have
passed,
but
the
list
is
not
exclusive.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
about
that,
please
come
talk
to
us
about
it
and
we'll
be
able
to
assist
you
in
determining
whether
or
not
your
expenditure
is
appropriate.
C
C
For
most
of
you,
this
means
that
you
may
begin
accepting
contributions
on
the
earlier
of
either
the
end
of
session
or
june.
The
first
also
want
to
talk
about
this
black
blackout
period.
For
those
of
you
who
may
receive
checks
that
were
written
to
you
before
legislative
session
began
since
we're
still
a
little
bit
close
to
when
session
began.
C
C
C
For
example,
the
individual
contribution
limit
is
the
only
contribution
limit
that
did
not
increase
this
year,
so
the
from
an
individual,
the
most
you
can
accept
in
this
upcoming
cycle,
will
still
be
sixteen
hundred
dollars.
However,
the
amount
that
you
can
accept
from
pax
has
gone
up
to
twelve
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars.
So
again
the
like.
I
said
these
numbers
have
changed,
so
we
encourage
you
to
go
on
our
website
and
familiarize
yourself
with
those
in
advance
before
you
begin
accepting
contributions
for
the
next
year.
C
Beyond
that
we're
always
here
to
help
you
determine
how
you
need
to
report
something
whether
or
not
something
is
reportable.
If
you
feel
like
you,
have
a
question
about
whether
or
not
it
should
be
reported,
a
good
general
rule
of
thumb
is
that
you
should
always
disclose
it,
and
then
we
can
help
you
determine
how
it
should
be
disclosed
and
what
information
needs
to
be
entered
on
your
disclosure
report.
If
you
have
those
questions,
so
please
feel
free
to
give
us
a
call
at
any
time
to
work
through
those
issues.
B
Thank
you
lauren
and
again
I
want
to
emphasize
and
you're
going
to
hear
it
more
than
once
in
this
presentation.
If
you've
got
a
problem,
if
you've
got
a
question,
don't
guess-
and
I
want
to
commend
the
members
of
the
house
because
a
lot
of
you
do
call-
I
know
william
lamberth
anything.
I've
gotten
calls
from
caucus
chair
lambert
over
the
weekend.
He
calls
me-
and
I
tell
him-
that's
no
problem.
If
you
need
help
over
the
weekend,
please
give
me
a
call.
B
I
got
a
text
from
one
of
our
local
judges
this
weekend
who's
having
trouble
with
this
statement
of
interest.
We
want
to
be
available
for
you.
We
want
to
make
sure
you
have
answers
to
your
questions
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
documents
you're
filing
with
us,
whether
it's
a
campaign,
financial
statement,
a
statement
of
interest
or
anything
else
that
is
filed
correctly
and
you
get
the
information
you
need-
we've
got
great
staff.
B
They
know
they
know
the
answers
to
your
question
if
they
don't
they'll
come
to
me
or
lance
and
we'll
figure
them
out.
So
please
please
contact
us.
The
other
thing
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
is
document
on
campaign
finance
you're
required
by
statute
by
your
statute
to
maintain
documents
for
two
years
after
any
election,
make
sure
you
retain
those
documents
and
that
you
get
the
right
documents
to
evidence
that
your
campaign
financial
statement
is
filed
correctly.
B
It's
important
you
have
those
documents
in
case
any
question
arises
from
any
member
of
the
public
or
if
you
are
the
subject
of
an
audit
remember,
we
are
required
to
do
audits
of
legislators
as
well
as
lobbyists
every
year,
so
we
have
those
drawings.
If
your
name
is
drawn
out
of
the
hat,
we
will
be
calling
you
to
do
an
audit
of
your
campaign,
finance
statements
and
we'll
be
relying
on
the
documents
you're
keeping.
I
want
to
spend
some
time
now
talking
about
the
tennessee
ethics
commission.
B
Last
year
we
spent
most
of
the
time
in
this
presentation
talking
about
campaign
finance
because
of
the
many
questions
we
had
and
we
didn't
spend
as
much
time
talking
about
the
ethics
commission.
One
thing
you
need
to
know
about:
the
ethics
commission
is
they're,
not
the
sole
source
of
regulation
of
ethics
in
state
government.
As
you
know,
each
body
of
the
general
assembly,
the
house
and
senate,
have
their
own
house
ethics
officers.
Doug
himes
is
the
house
ethics
officer.
Russell
humphrey
is
the
senate
ethics
officer.
B
You
have
your
own
internal
rules
that
deal
with
the
ethics
of
members
of
the
general
assembly.
You
have
committees
to
deal
with
any
violations
of
those
rules,
so
your
body
has
a
deep
commitment
to
ensure
ethics
in
government
and
to
take
action
when
there's
any
ethical
problem
with
any
particular
member,
and
we
work
closely
with
your
ethics
officers
in
that
area.
B
We
also
you
should
note
we
had
that
the
executive
branch
has
its
own
ethics
officer,
lang,
wiseman,
the
general
counsel
under
governor
lee's
executive
order.
Two.
This
is
a
carryover
of
what
governor
haslam
had
done.
He
had
a
similar
type
executive
order
that
created,
perhaps
even
tighter
ethical
standards
for
executive
level
employees.
B
You
also
have
ethics
separately,
set
by
the
judicial
branch
by
the
tennessee
supreme
court,
not
only
for
lawyers
but
also
for
judges
and
those
ethics
requirements
are
set
forth
in
tennessee
supreme
court
rules,
seven,
eight
and
nine
and
finally,
the
general
assembly
has
passed
a
statute.
It's
in
your
materials
requiring
every
local
government
in
this
state
to
adopt
an
ethics
code
of
conduct
and
that
code
of
conduct
is
to
be
administered
and
regulated
by
an
official
within
that
local
government.
That's
required
by
statute.
B
Indeed,
it's
also
required
that
those
code
of
conducts
be
sent
to
the
ethics
commission
and
for
us
to
publish
those
codes
of
conduct
on
our
website
and
they're
they're
available
for
every
county
municipality
in
this
state.
We've
got
those
available
online
and
we
try
to
work
closely
with
the
local
governments
in
the
regulation
of
ethics.
The
general
assembly,
in
its
wisdom,
basically
said
the
ethics
commission
is
dealing
with
state
officials
in
the
regulation
of
ethics
for
local
officials.
B
Those
are
best
dealt
with
at
the
local
level
and
that's
what
those
statutes
require
so
be
aware,
if
it's
a
local
issue,
a
local
ethical
issue,
that
the
remedy
is
not
through
the
ethics
commission.
The
remedy
is
through
that
local
body
through
that
officer
that
has
been
appointed
by
the
local
body
to
investigate
and
deal
with
any
ethics
issues
that
come
up
concerning
a
local
official.
B
B
B
Those
complaints
are
required
to
be
sworn.
They
are
required
to
be
kept
initially
at
least
confidential.
The
way
it
works
when
we
receive
a
sworn
complaint.
The
ethics
commission
considers
that
an
executive
session
again
it's
confidential,
to
determine
whether
grounds
exist
to
refer
the
matter
for
investigation
and
by
statute.
That
investigation
is
done
by
the
state
attorney
general's
office.
B
So
at
the
preliminary
stage
the
question
is:
do
we
have
jurisdiction,
hear
it,
and
if
we
do,
we
refer
to
investigation
by
the
attorney
general?
The
next
stage
is
once
that
investigation
is
complete.
It
will
come
back
to
the
ethics
commission,
for
determination
of
whether
probable
cause
exist
to
set
a
show
calls
hearing
to
determine
whether
there's
been
an
ethical
violation.
B
If
that
this
commission
finds
probable
cause
exist,
then
that
becomes
a
public
hearing.
At
that
point,
the
confidentiality
of
provision
cease.
There's
a
public
hearing
that
involves
both
the
complainant
and
the
respondent
and
ethics
commission
actually
holds
a
hearing.
The
next
thing
that
the
ethics
commission
does
is
it
regulates.
B
Lobbyists
lobbies
are
required
to
register
with
the
ethics
commission
as
well
as
employers
of
lobbyists,
and
we're
required
to
provide
training
to
those
lobbyists,
assess
fees
to
those
lobbyists
for
their
activity
in
tennessee
and
also
interpret
and
and
deal
with
the
laws
regarding
the
registration
of
a
lobbyist
and
lobbyist
activities.
We
have
a
lot
of
questions
regarding
what
is
quote-unquote
lobbying
and
what
is
not
several
of
the
informal
advisory
opinions
have
dealt
with
those
issues.
B
We
also
regulate
the
statements
of
interest,
there's
a
large
plethora
of
state
and
local
officials
that
are
required
to
file
statements
of
interest
with
the
ethics
commission.
Most
officials
are
required
to
file
those
by
january
31.
So
right
now
we
are
getting
a
ton
of
statements
of
interest
that
are
being
filed
with
the
ethics
commission.
There
are
annual
filings,
they
are
intended
to
list
information
about
either
a
candidate
or
a
local,
official
or
state
official
and
they're.
B
In
your
presentation,
you
have
the
questions
that
you're
required
to
fill
out,
including
income,
your
positions,
certain
types
of
investments
again.
The
purpose
of
these
we
put
them
on
our
website
is
that
the
public
and
the
press
and
others
can
know
what
potential
conflicts
of
interest
may
be
there,
either
for
a
candidate
for
office
or
for
a
current
office
holder.
B
I
said
we're
getting
a
lot
of
those
filed
on
january
31,
but
you
as
members
of
the
general
assembly,
actually
file
yours
on
april
15th,
as
well
as
certain
members
of
the
executive
branch
are
required
to
file
on
april
15th.
You
also
have
more
rigorous
standards,
reporting
requirements
than
certain
other
officials,
but
those
take
up
a
lot
of
time.
B
That's
a
lot
of
their
agenda
when
they
meet
is
dealing
with
folks
who
haven't
filed
the
statements
of
interest.
You
ask:
how
do
we
know
who
the
local
officials
are?
What
every
election
commission
local
election
commission
is
required
to
give
us
a
list
not
only
of
all
local
office
holders
who
fall
under
the
statement
of
interest
statute,
but
any
candidates
and
candidates
have
to
file
statements
of
interest.
B
You'll,
be
surprised
to
know,
perhaps
that
local
planning
commissioners
have
to
file
statements
of
interest
with
us
executive
committee,
members
of
either
the
republican
or
democratic
party,
because
they
are
elected,
have
to
file
a
statement
of
interest
with
their
office.
So
you,
as
the
general
assembly,
have
created
a
long
list
of
folks
who
are
required
to
file
those
statements
of
interest
again
for
the
purpose
of
transparency,
so
that
the
public
and
the
press
can
identify
one
interest.
They
represent
what
possible
conflicts
of
interest
they
have
in
either
running
for
office
or
holding
office.
B
Finally,
the
ethics
commission
also
is
required
to
draft
guiding
principle
principles
of
ethical
conduct
for
public
officials.
That
document
is
on
our
website,
we're
actually
looking
to
update
that
document
to
see
if
we
need
to
add
more
to
it.
A
lot
of
that
document
comes
from
the
senate
and
house
ethics
rules
themselves.
You'll
see
some
of
those
repeated
in
that
document
that
the
ethics
commission
has
done.
What
else
does
the
ethics
commission
do?
B
It
does
a
lot
of
training
like
the
training
you're
getting
here
today
that
we're
required
to
do
every
year
I,
as
a
lawyer
and
required
every
year
to
have
15
hours
of
continuing
legal
education
requirements.
You,
as
a
member
of
the
general
assembly,
are
required
to
attend
this
training
course
every
year
on
your
ethical
obligations.
Interestingly
enough
on
my
continuing
legal
education
requirements
as
a
lawyer,
the
supreme
court
requires
that
three
of
those
15
hours
be
devoted
to
ethics,
so
ethics
training
both
for
lawyers
and
public
officials,
is
very
important.
B
So
we
all
know
what
the
lines
are.
We
all
know
what
our
responsibilities
and
duties
are
and
as
those
evolve
and
change
that
you're
advised
of
those
changes,
so
you
can
comply
with
the
ethical
requirements
of
your
office.
We
also
provide
annual
orientation
ethics
court,
of
course,
to
supervisory
personnel
in
the
executive
branch.
B
So
I
know
director
frazelle
is
working
on
that
now
making
sure
that
that
training
is
completed
again,
that
training
occurs
every
year,
we're
required
to
track
it,
make
sure
every
member
of
the
executive
branch
that's
required
by
statute
to
take
that
training
actually
takes
it.
We
also
give
an
annual
ethics
course
for
lobbyists
and
employers
of
a
lobbyist.
Indeed,
when
we,
when
we
meet
in
person
like
we
did
last
year,
you'll
see
a
lot
of
lobbyists
sitting
in
the
audience,
taking
your
training
because
they
can
get
credit
for
it
as
as
their
training.
B
Unfortunately,
this
year,
they're
going
to
have
to
do
the
online
training
like
you're
doing
and
won't
be
able
to
attend
a
house
chamber
and
get
credit
for
it.
We
also
do
require
training
for
our
own
bureau
members,
not
only
the
ethics
commission,
members,
but
also
the
registry
board
members
before
they
can
even
sit
in
a
meeting
they're
required
to
have
training
from
the
attorney
general's
office
about
their
duties
and
responsibilities,
and
that
is
required
to
be
verified
and
evidenced.
B
We
talked
some
about
the
disclosure
statements,
I'm
not
going
to
go
much
in
more
into
that.
I
would
note
for
you
that
there's
a
prohibition
in
the
state
statute
and
again
this
comes
in
the
ethics
commission.
Jurisdiction
on
consulting
services
for
compensation
by
members
of
the
general
assembly
pay
attention
to
the
definition
of
consulting
services
in
that
statute,
because
it's
relatively
narrow,
it
means
that
you
cannot
be
paid
as
a
general
assembly
member
to
either
promote
legislation
before
the
general
assembly.
B
B
There
are,
however,
a
number
of
exceptions
in
that
statute,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
questions
that
come
up
from
lobbyists,
employers
or
liberties
from
you,
as
members
of
the
general
assembly
or
members
of
the
executive
branch,
on
whether
those
exceptions
apply,
there's
a
personal
friendship
exception
and
you
have
any
materials
a
laundry
list
of
what
you
need
to
look
at
to
see
if
you've
come
within
that
exception.
But
I
would
tell
you
that
it's
sort
of
like
a
justice
steward
on
the
u.s
supreme
court,
said
about
pornography.
B
It's
kind
of
you
know
it.
When
you
see
it,
you
know
whether
you've
got
a
personal
friendship
with
a
person
or
not.
You
know
what
that
entails,
and
it's
kind
of
a
common
sense
denomination.
You
can
also
take
informational
materials
from
lobbyists.
A
lot
of
lobbyists
will
send
you,
packets
and
materials
to
educate
you
about
what
their
client
is
doing.
B
It
won't
be
an
all-inclusive
list,
but
at
least
it
will
give
you
a
list
and
doug
actually
has
a
list.
If
you
ever
need
it
of
organizations
that
fall
within
that
definition,
one
other
one,
that's
come
up
and
I'm
gonna
briefly
mention
there
there's
an
exemption
for
certain
charitable
events
if
the
ticket
or
is
purchased
by
an
employer
of
a
lobbyist.
You
have
to
watch
this
one
because
it
says
employer
of
lobbyists
not
lobbyists.
Lobbyists
can't
can't
give
you
this,
but
employer
lobby
is
good.
B
B
What
would
not
be
okay
is
if
they
gave
you
a
nice
set
of
golf
clubs
that
they
weren't
given
to
anyone
else
other
than
you
as
a
member
of
the
general
assembly,
so
that
that
that's
a
tough
exception
to
follow,
because
it's
got
so
many
caveats
to
it.
But
again,
if
you
have
any
questions
regarding
that,
please
let
us
know
also
note
that
the
gift
prohibition
only
applies
to
lobbyists
or
employers
of
lobbyists.
B
So
if
the
person
giving
you
a
gift
is
not
a
lobbyist
or
employer
of
a
lobbyist,
it's
okay,
the
exception
doesn't
apply
to
others,
except
and
initially
director
for
sale
might
get
into
this.
In
these
questions,
there
are
certain
high-level
positions
within
the
employee
of
a
lobbyist
that
are
included
within
the
definition
of
employer
of
lobbyists.
For
instance,
the
ceo
of
a
company
is
considered
an
employer
of
a
lobbyist,
so
be
careful
there.
The
ceo
couldn't
give
you
a
gift
either,
because
that
person
is
included
within
the
definition
of
employer
of
a
lobbyist.
B
Again
we
get
a
lot
of
questions
around
gifts
and
gift
prohibitions.
One
trap
for
the
unwary
be
aware
of
there's
a
separate
statute
that
absolutely
prohibits
cash
or
cash,
equivalent
honorariums
to
be
taken
by
you
when
you're
delivering
a
speech
or
a
talk
in
your
position
as
a
member
of
the
general
assembly.
B
Now
you
can
take
a
pencil
or
a
pen
or
a
token
of
appreciation,
but
you
can't
take
anything:
that's
cash,
a
cash
equivalent
for
speech
and
that's
a
separate
statute.
It's
not
in
the
gift
statute,
it's
elsewhere
in
the
code,
but
be
aware
of
it.
We've
had
that
come
up
several
times
where
a
legislator
will
show
up
and-
and
you
know,
we're
all
tennesseans
we're
all
generous
folks.
B
If
someone
shows
up
for
a
meeting
of
my
club,
I
want
to
give
them
a
little
gift
card
to
show
how
much
we
appreciate
them
coming
be
aware,
you
can't
take
that
and
and
tell
them
it's
not
your
fault.
It's
this
state
law,
that's
causing
you
the
problem
there,
a
couple
of
recent
developments
and
then
I'm
to
open
it
up
for
questions
that
you
need
to
be
aware
of.
B
Remember
we
had
litigation
that
was
commenced
a
couple
of
years
back
on
what
was
the
a
statute
that
the
general
assembly
passed
called
the
pac
political
action
committee
blackout
station
statute?
What
that
statute
says
is
that,
ten
days
before
any
election,
a
pac
could
not
give
money
to
any
candidate.
That
statute
was
challenged
in
the
chancellor
court
here
in
davidson
county.
B
Ultimately,
the
chance
record
held
the
statute
unconstitutional
the
tennessee
court
of
appeals
affirmed
of
that
holding,
and
there
was
no
appeal
beyond
that,
so
that
10-day
blackout
period
for
pacs
has
been
held
in
ballot.
It's
still
on
the
books,
but
it
can't
be
enforced
just
be
aware
that-
and
we
still
get
questions
about
it,
because
people
ask
about
it
that
it's
invalid
pacs
can
continue
to
give
right
up
to
the
date
of
election
included
within
that
challenge
was
a
challenge
to
the
registration
fee
that
pacs
were
required
to
file.
B
That
statute
was
also
declared
invalid
by
the
chancery
court,
but
the
statute
was
amended
in
the
course
of
the
litigation
and
the
court
of
appeals
said
the
statute
is
amended,
it
did
it
wasn't
going
to
address
it
and
the
chancery
court
didn't
address
it
when
the
remanded
back
down,
so
that
statute
is
amended.
We
consider
ballot
and
we
have
begun
collecting
the
registration
fees
for
pacs
in
2021..
B
Unfortunately,
for
us
we
understand
that
there
is
soon
going
to
be
a
pending
challenge
to
even
that
statute,
perhaps
filed
in
the
change
record
here
in
davidson
county,
so
stay
tuned
on
on
that
account.
Finally,
one
other
recent
development.
Just
for
your
information,
we
had
a
a
question
come
before
the
rosary
board
on
the
settlement
of
a
civil
penalty
for
a
candidate
who
was
running
for
the
house
of
representatives
and
I
won't
get
into
any
names.
B
B
I
still
am
concerned
about
that
decision,
but
it
is
the
law,
because
all
the
registered
board
was
doing
was
determining
the
legal
question
of
whether
to
accept
a
settlement
or
not.
I
would
have
thought
that
might
have
been
confidential
under
attorney-client.
Privilege
would
have
been
dealt
with
an
executive
session
anyway,
but
that's
not
what
the
chancellor
found
so
anytime.
We're
making
the
decision
to
settle
the
matter,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
an
open
meeting.
Now.
That's
the
law
and
we're
certainly
going
to
comply
with
that
law.
So
those
are
recent
developments.
B
Even
though
he's
off
camera
he's
going
to
be
kind
of
like
the
voice
coming
in
here
with
these
questions
and
we're
going
to
repeat
the
questions
for
you,
so
you
make
sure
you
hear
them,
but
he's
kind
of
I'm
sure
he's
going
to
enjoy
this.
It's
like
a
voice
on
high
coming
in
his
face,
won't
be
here,
but
you'll
hear
his
voice
kind
of
like
an
episode
of
star
wars
or
something
but
anyway,
director
for
sale.
Why
don't
you
shoot
us?
Your
first
question
may.
B
Thank
you
director
for
sale
for
that
question.
First,
the
reason
for
the
question-
and
we
this
came
up
in
our
presentation
to
to
the
senate
this
year-
is
that
many
members
will
rent
an
apartment
for
the
entire
year
in
order
to
save
money
on
their
per
diem
and
on
their
lease.
They
can
get
a
better
deal
if
they
do
a
year
lease
a
half
year
lease
than
renting
a
hotel
for
a
day.
While
session
is
going
on,
so
the
question
was
arose.
B
B
We
determined
after
much
thought
that
when
you're
not
in
session
you're
not
required
to
be
in
nashville,
then
you
couldn't
use
campaign
funds
in
furtherance
of
office
order
duties
quite
simply
because
you're
not
required
to
be
here.
The
next
part
of
that
question
is
well.
Could
I
use
leadership?
Pac
funds,
if
I
have
a
leadership
pathfinders
and
the
answer
to
that
question-
is
also
no.
B
If
you
look
at
the
rules
that
the
bureau
is
enacted,
the
rules
basically
say
that
you
cannot
use
a
pac
that
is
controlled
by
a
candidate
to
pay
for
the
personal
expenses
of
a
candidate.
Given
we've
already
determined
that
the
payment
of
these
lease
amounts
would
be
a
personal
expense,
not
campaign
related,
not
office.
Order
related.
B
You
couldn't
circumvent
those
restrictions
through
the
use
of
a
pac
controlled
by
the
candidate,
so
you
couldn't,
and
the
other
problem
would
be
that
it
would
be
considered
an
in-kind
contribution
in
any
event
to
the
candidate
becomes
part
of
the
campaign
fund
and
therefore
is
subject
to
the
same
restrictions
as
a
campaign.
Account
is.
C
Okay,
so
yes,
we
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
earlier
in
the
presentation,
but
I
want
to
touch
on,
but
we'll
obviously
we'll
touch
on
it
again
now.
So
the
answer
to
the
question
is
yes:
contributions
which
are
made
and
postmarked
now
the
postmark
date
is
important
in
this
scenario,
but
if
they're
made
and
postmarked
prior
to
the
start
of
the
legislative
session,
then
you
may,
and
then
you
receive
that
by
mail
after
the
session
begins.
C
If
both
of
those
are
the
case,
then
yes,
you
can
keep
that
and
you
can
deposit
it
and
we
would
encourage
you
to
go
ahead
and
keep
copies
of
the
check
of
the
envelope
anything
that
you
can
to
document
those
two
pieces
of
information,
and
that
way
we
will
know
down
the
line.
If
a
complaint
is
ever
raised
or
anything
like
that,
that
you
did
in
fact
receive
that
and
follow
the
guidance
there.
C
As
for
how
you
would
report
that
this
year,
we're
giving
the
guidance
that
you
would
report
that
contribution
as
of
the
date
of
the
postmark,
which
again
is
another
reason
to
really
keep
a
copy
of
that
envelope,
so
that
you
can
substantiate
that
date
in
general.
As
you
all
know,
contributions
are
reported,
as
received
on
the
date
that
you
actually
have
them
in
hand
but
to
but
to
cut
down
on
confusion
and
any
possibility
that
there
may
be
questions
raised
about
violations
of
this
law.
C
We
have
given
that
guidance
that
you
can
use
the
postmark
in
this
specific
situation
to
make
things
easier
on
everyone,
and
it
also
kind
of
applies
also
in
the
scenario
where,
if
someone
hands
you
a
check
just
before
the
start
of
session,
yes,
you
can
go
ahead
and
accept
that
check
and
deposit
the
funds.
We
would
encourage
you
to
do
it
quickly,
don't
put
it
in
your
desk
and
forget
about
it,
but
go
ahead
and
deposit
those
funds
and
try
to
document
it
as
best
you
can.
C
If
you
can
write
a
memo
to
your
files
or
if
you
can
get
a
receipt
from
the
person
who
gave
it
to
you.
Anything
like
that
that
you
can
just
to
document
that
it
was
in
fact
received
prior
to
the
start
of
legislative
session
and
again
when
you
report
it,
you
would
report
it
as
on
the
date
that
you
received
it.
So
that
would
be
the
start
prior
to
the
start
of
session.
C
A
B
B
We
had
a
legislator,
ask
this
question
and
she
indicated
she
was
going
to
kind
of
primarily
use
it
for
both,
but
she
might
use
it
for
personal,
and
I
told
her
you
could
do
that,
but
you
have
to
document
it,
and
I
thought
the
documentation
would
be
too
extensive.
As
we
say
in
the
country,
the
squeeze
wouldn't
be
worth
the
juice.
So
if
you're
going
to
buy
a
computer
with
campaign
funds,
you're
going
to
have
to
document
and
keep
records
that
you're
using
it
exclusively
for
campaign
or
office
holder
duties,
so
you
can
do
it.
A
C
Yes,
the
answer
to
that
question
is
yes:
anytime,
a
pac
gives
money
in
a
local
election
to
a
local
official
running
for
office
or
re-election.
Then,
yes,
they
do
need
to
register
not
only
with
our
office
but
also
with
the
local
election
commission
when
they
make
that
that
contribution
and
they'll
need
to
continue
doing
that
for
so
long
as
they
intend
to
continue
making
contributions
in
that
local
area.
B
We
have
opined
that
it's
hard
to
see
how
buying
a
gift
for
a
fellow
legislator
would
fit
either
one
of
those
purposes.
It's
certainly
not
a
campaign
that
legislator
is
not
in
your
district
and,
secondly,
it's
not
an
office
holder,
expense
you're,
not
required
as
an
office
holder
to
buy
gifts
for
your
fellow
members.
B
Having
said
that,
if
you
have
a
leadership
pack,
however,
those
restrictions
on
personal
use
don't
apply
to
a
pack.
A
pack
has
very
few
restrictions
on
how
it
can
use
its
funds.
So
if
you
have
a
leadership
pack
and
you
want
to
buy
gifts
for
other
members
of
the
general
assembly,
presumably
you're
buying
those
to
to
build
a
better
rapport
with
your
members
or
to
if
you're,
a
caucus
chair
or
your
chair
of
a
committee
or
using
those
funds
to
say,
hey,
good
work.
We've
worked
well
together.
This
session
is
a
token
of
appreciation.
B
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
gift.
You
can
do
that
from
your
leadership
pack.
The
only
caveat
I
would
have
here
you
can
do
it
be
careful
with
the
perception
issue.
Don't
let
those
gifts
get
out
of
control
where
you're
passing
significant
gifts
among
each
other?
It's
not
again
not
prohibited
from
the
leadership
back,
but
I
would.
C
So
your
appointment
of
treasurer
form
with
that's
going
to
be
filed
with
us
at
the
beginning
of
each
cycle
is
good
for
purposes
of
both
the
primary
and
the
general
election,
as
well
as
any
runoff
elections
that
might
that
might
come
up
as
far
as
after
the
the
election.
How
good
is
it
good
for
or
how
long
is
it
good,
for?
C
I
would
encourage
you
that
when
you
begin
raising
money
for
your
next
cycle
for
the
next
election
at
that
point
in
time,
you
need
to
file
a
new
appointment
of
treasurer
form
for
that
cycle,
so
that
so
really
the
form
is
only
good
for
each
cycle
and
each
cycle.
It
needs
to
be
updated
with
new
information
or
just
let
us
know
that
you
do
intend
to
be
a
candidate
in
the
next
cycle,
but
as
long
as
it's
been
filed,
it
would
be
good
for
any
election,
including
both
primary
in
general.
During
that
cycle,.
B
I
thank
you
director
for
sale
for
that
one
generally
well,
under
the
statute
you're
required
to
maintain
your
campaign
records
for
two
years
after
the
impacted
election.
We
encourage
you
to
maintain
them
even
a
little
longer
than
that.
It's
like
me
with
internal
revenue
service.
When
I
do
my
taxes,
I
I
think
I
go
back
10
years
and
retain
those
documents
because
I
don't
get
in
trouble
with
the
irs
same
thing
here
we
have
audits
of
legislators,
so
the
statute
says
two
years
after
the
election.
B
I
might
even
retain
it
for
three
years,
just
in
case
you
picked
up
on
an
audit
and
you
know
make
sure
you've
got
those
records
in
place.
We've
said
it
before
and
we'll
say
it
again
and
we're
getting
ready
to
end
the
question
and
answer
here
document
document
document:
you
can't
keep
enough
records
if
you
come
up
with
an
audit
or
if
someone
questions
what
you're
doing
on
your
campaign
financial
statement
you're
going
to
need
those
records
to
verify
what
is
correct
there.
So
please
document
everything
in
sight.
The
other
piece
of
advice.
B
I
would
give
you
and
perhaps
not
as
important
for
general.
Assemble
members
is
for
candidates
themselves,
make
sure
your
information
is
current
with
us.
We
rely
on
that
information
to
send
you
notices
if
you're
late
on
a
campaign,
finance
statement,
we
are
required
to
bring
those
directory
board's
attention
and
we'll
give
you
notice.
We
rely
on
the
notice
that
you
filed
with
us.
B
We've
reached
the
end
of
our
ethics
training
today.
Thank
you
again
for
your
attention
to
that
training.
I
want
to
thank
general
counsel
topping
to
my
left.
I
appreciate
her
taking
the
load
off
of
me
and
doing
the
campaign
finance
part
of
this
presentation.
I
also
want
to
thank
assistant
director
for
sale,
who's
off
camera
for
those
interesting
questions
and
I
hope
those
the
answers
to
those
were
informative
to
you.
I
also
want
to
thank
doug
himes
for
helping
us
put
this
together.
B
He
has
been
a
great
to
work
with
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
him
during
this
session
and
beyond
next
year.
Our
hope
is
that
we
will
be
able
to
present
life
to
you
that
covet
19
will
be
a
thing
of
the
past
that
we
will
all
have
been
vaccinated
with
shots
in
our
arm
and
be
protected
from
it,
and
we
can
look
at
the
pandemic
as
history
and
not
something
we
have
to
currently
worry
about
again.
I
will
end
this
presentation
as
a
beginning.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
for
us,
please
let
us
know
we're
there
to
assist
you,
and
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
and
appreciate
all
each
and
every
one
of
you
do
for
the
citizens
of
the
state
and
for
the
state
of
tennessee.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I'm
sure
I'll
see
you
before
next
year,
but
hopefully
I'll
see
you
next
year
live.
Take.