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A
Thank
you
tonight,
safer
businesses,
our
culture,
tourism,
Europe
and
external
affairs
committee
debate
motion,
1,
955
C
in
the
name
of
June
mcalpine
on
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
Fire
can
ask
those
who
weren't
speaking
to
be
to
press
the
request
to
speak
buttons
now
my
corner
dual
MacAlpine
to
speak,
to
remove
the
motion.
Mr.
McAlpin,
please
thank.
B
You
on
behalf
of
the
culture,
tourism,
Europe
and
External
Affairs
Committee
I,
welcome
the
opportunity
to
debate
the
committee's
report,
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
Macintosh,
building
the
loss
of
a
national
treasure
situated
at
the
heart
of
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
garnet
Hill
campus.
The
Macintosh
building
was
widely
considered
to
be
one
of
charles
rennie
mackintosh
asst,
seminal
achievements.
B
First
conceived
by
the
artist
in
1896,
the
building
is
recognized
as
an
architectural
masterpiece
of
international
significance
on
the
night
of
the
15th
of
June
2018,
the
Mackintosh
buildings
suffered
a
second
catastrophic
fire
which
caused
significant
damage
to
the
building's
interior,
as
well
as
the
exterior
facades
and
Gables.
More
than
120
firefighters
were
called
to
tackle
the
blaze
which
spread
through
enabling
music
venue
the
auto
ABC
and
caused
severe
disruption
to
residents
and
businesses
in
the
surrounding
area.
B
The
committee's
report,
published
in
March,
sought
to
understand
how
one
of
Scotland's
greatest
architectural
achievements
and
deed
artistic
achievements
could
suffer.
Two
catastrophic
fires,
while
under
the
custodianship
of
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art,
what
lessons
might
be
learned,
we
asked
and
what
steps
could
be
taken
to
protect
Scotland's
built
heritage
in
the
future.
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
all
those
who
provided
evidence
to
the
committee
and
to
our
Clark's,
who
worked
so
hard
on
the
enquiry
and
the
report.
B
Having
weighed
the
information
provided
to
us
and
evidence,
the
committee
concluded
that
there
was
a
clear
need
for
a
wider
public
inquiry
to
take
place,
one
which
our
judicial
powers
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
what
happened
to
this
iconic
building.
At
the
time,
the
committee
specified
that
this
should
only
take
place
once
the
Scottish,
Fire
and
Rescue
Service
had
reported
on
the
fire
and
we
look
forward
to
the
fire
services
findings.
Although
I
understand
stations
of
those
who
are
still,
we
think
for
answers.
I
shared
those
frustrations.
B
The
issues
considered
by
the
committee
in
his
report
go
way
beyond
the
cause
of
the
fire
itself
and
examined
the
way
their
feelings
which
provided
the
context
for
the
first
fire.
The
measures
taken
to
avoid
the
second
and
the
way
that
impact
on
the
local
community.
That
is
why
the
committee
remains
of
the
view
that
our
field
public
inquiry
is
the
only
means
to
fully
understand
the
events
which
led
to
these
devastating
fires.
C
Does
the
member
agree
with
me
that
the
public
inquiry
which
I
agree
should
be
held
should
not
should
look
not
only
backwards
at
what
happened
in
2018
and
why
it
happened,
but
also
forwards
at
what
should
happen
to
the
building
in
the
future
and
that
the
management
of
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
have
proved
themselves
to
be
an
unfit
custodian
of
this
national
treasure
and
that
the
public
inquiry
must
consider
whether
the
building
and
its
future
should
be
taken
out
of
the
GSA's
hands
and
laid
in
some
sort
of
public
trust?
Do.
B
B
It
shouldn't
be
for
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
Management
alone,
and
it
should
involve
a
wider
consultation
and
not
just
with
the
local
community,
but
actually
across
all
layers
of
government
in
Scotland
and
we'd
also
said
in
New,
Glasgow
School
of
Art
may
be
an
independent
institution,
but
is
one
that's
in
receipt
of
substantial
public
funds
and
is
absolutely
right
that
we
scrutinize
the
decisions.
That
is
that
it's
made
in
regard
to
how
those
funds
are
spent.
B
His
donek
buildings
like
the
Mackintosh
and
awarded
the
category
listed
status
because
they
can
be
characterized
the
sights
of
unique
historical
and
architectural
interest.
Often
it
is
these
inimitable
features
which
make
these
buildings
so
susceptible
to
the
risks
posed
by
fires.
Boiler
disposed
by
fire
can
never
be
entirely
mitigated.
The
committee
sought
to
understand
the
GSA's
approach
to
the
management
of
risk
and
to
ascertain
if
having
identified,
specific
risks
to
the
market.
Osh
building
the
school
had
taken
proportionate
measures
to
adequately
manage
those
risks
when
considering
the
DG
SSKIN
story
and
shape
of
the
building.
B
These
voids,
which
allowed
the
fire
to
spread,
just
as
it
would
through
chimney,
and
we
also
took
evidence
that
these
voids
were
still
not
blocked
during
the
restoration
last
year.
And
that
was
evidence
according
to
the
Glasgow
School
of
Arts
Architects
in
2006
Glasgow
School
of
Art
commissioned,
but
all
Harpold
to
conduct
a
fire
protection
strategy
and
to
review
what
it
called
feasible
options
for
the
long-term
protection
of
the
occupants
property
and
contents
of
the
Mackintosh
building.
B
In
the
report,
butle
Happold
emphasised
the
rest
of
fire
to
the
McIntosh
building
and
stated
that,
due
to
the
static
nature
and
value
of
the
property,
many
of
its
contents
and
many
of
its
contents,
fire
present
possesses
a
great
threat.
Despite
reassurances
provided
by
the
GSE
about
the
building
been
compliant
with
the
relevant
fire
standards.
B
The
committee
took
the
view
that,
given
the
significance
of
the
building,
the
way
in
which
had
been
used
by
students
and
risks
clearly
identified
by
Buro,
Happold
and
others,
the
GSA
appears
not
to
have
address
specifically
the
heightened
risk
of
fire
to
the
building.
The
GSE
have
argued
that
their
decision
to
install
a
Miss
suppression
system
following
the
outcome
of
a
property
protection
study
carried
out
in
2008
demonstrates
their
commitment
to
the
building
safety.
But
despite
these
good
intentions,
the
suppression
system
had
not
been
installed
by
the
time
of
the
2014
fire.
B
So
why
then,
did
it
take
so
long
to
install
them
as
suppression
system,
something
that
may
well
have
prevented
the
spread
of
the
first
fire
and
2014?
And
it
should
be
said,
of
course,
that
there
hadn't
been
a
fire
in
2014.
The
building
would
not
have
been
destroyed
in
2018
in
response
to
questions
from
the
committee.
Regarding
the
length
of
time
taken
for
the
installation
of
the
system,
the
GSA
stated
that
the
timescale
for
implementation
of
the
system
was
attributable
to
two
key
factors,
namely
funding
and
the
discovery
of
asbestos.
B
According
to
the
GSA,
once
they
had
obtained
approval
in
principle
to
install
the
suppression
system,
they
had
to
secure
funding
following
unsuccessful
claims
to
historic
environment,
Scotland
and
Heritage
Lottery
Fund,
the
GSA
initiate
initiated
its
own
fundraising
exercise.
Fire
safety
experts
described
the
use
of
fundraising
by
the
GSA
to
fund
a
safety
critical
system
like
the
fire
suppression
system
to
be
unusual,
and
the
committee
questioned
whether
more
could
have
been
done.
Given
the
well
documented
risks.
B
When
the
committee
questioned
why
funds
couldn't
have
been
secured
from
other
bodies
like
historic
environment
Scotland,
to
support
the
installation
of
this
system,
dr.
Muriel
gray
explained
the
suppression
system
was
deemed
an
enhancement,
and
funds
could
therefore
not
be
secured
and
through
other
means
other
than
fundraising.
And
the
committee
finds
it
remarkable
that,
having
identified
the
risk
to
one
of
Scotland's,
most
iconic
buildings,
the
article
were
forced
to
fundraise,
therefore,
funds
to
appropriately
protect
it.
And,
furthermore,
the
committee
remains
concerned
that
sufficient
steps
went.
B
The
committee
was
therefore
pleased
following
the
publication
of
the
report,
that
the
Cabinet
Secretary
instructed
officials
to
review
the
adequacy
of
powers
to
compare
Warner's
to
put
in
place
enhanced
fire
safety
measures
in
the
context
of
he
listed
buildings.
One
area
of
particular
concern
raised
by
the
conservation
architect,
Dawson
Stelfox
was
the
need
to
better
protect
historic
buildings,
late
the
Micra
during
the
restoration
he
said,
a
focus
on
the
importance
of
the
historical
building
assets
and
a
fire
risk
assessment
is
currently
lacking
in
the
guidance
and
legislation.
B
We
need
to
think
about
how
we
use
fire
safety
measures
and
audits
to
protect
the
historic
fabric
in
the
long
term.
That
is
not
a
requirement
at
the
moment
when
the
committee
asked
historic
environment
Scotland
about
this
perceived
gap
in
the
statutory
position
with
regards
to
the
protection
of
assets
during
the
construction,
they
acknowledged
that
increasingly
that
as
an
understanding
with
the
historic
environment
and
with
collections
associated
with
buildings
such
as
museums
that
there
is
a
need
to
protect
those
assets
in
their
own
right.
B
There
is
also
considerable
concern
expressed
in
the
committee
report,
the
treatment
of
the
local
community
by
the
GSA
after
both
fires,
and
our
report
recommended
that
more
community
engagement
should
take
place
and,
as
I
said
earlier
to
mr.
Tompkins,
that
decisions
on
the
rebuild
of
the
GSA
and
the
use
of
the
building
and
future
should
not
be
for
GSA
Management
alone.
B
B
However,
we
will
have
to
wait
and
see
the
Scottish,
Fire
and
Rescue
Services
report
before
we
draw
any
conclusions
from
any
of
that.
The
committee
welcomes
some
of
the
progress
made
by
the
Scottish
government
to
address
the
issues
identified
in
the
committee's
report
and
I
hope
will.
This
will
lead
generally
to
greater
protections
for
Scotland's
iconic
buildings,
and
although
we
await
the
results
of
this
ssf
aureus
report
into
the
2018
fire,
we,
as
the
committee
believes
strongly
that
this
will
provide
us
with
only
part
of
the
story.
B
This
is
not
about
attributes
in
green
blame,
it's
about
learning
less
and
so
that,
as
a
country,
we
can
ensure
our
built
heritage,
be
a
can
be
enjoyed
by
future
generations
and
I,
and
the
committee
therefore
hope
that
the
Scottish
Government
will
commit
to
holding
a
full
public
inquiry
following
the
publication
of
the
SPRs
report.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
A
The
motion
in
my
name,
thank
you
very
much.
I
can
I
say
there
are
some
members
to
you
apart.
They
want
to
speak,
but
press
the
request
to
speak
button
side
I'm
at
a
loss
to
know
whether
they're
still
in
that
position.
Thank
you
very
much
and
the
whole
call
on
Richard
Locke
had
to
open
to
the
government.
Minister
I'd.
D
Like
to
start
by
commanding
during
the
campaign,
the
convener
and,
of
course,
her
colleagues
on
the
committee
for
the
substantial
and
thought
Oh
reports
and
for
bringing
this
to
be
at
the
Parliament
to
D
I,
believe
that
all
of
us
here
do
recognise
the
immense
cultural
significance
of
the
Macintosh
building
and
it
is
Peter.
Capaldi's
said
after
the
fire
in
2014,
there
is
no
greater
symbol
of
the
artistic
spirit
of
Scotland
than
the
Macintosh
building.
D
That
is
why
it's
so
important,
the
Parliament
doesn't
the
opportunity
to
consider
the
committee's
findings,
which
reflects
on
the
GSEs
management
of
the
macintosh
restoration
site
and
the
lessons
that
make
noble
errant,
Aswin,
mchale
pain,
outlined
I'm.
Sure
we
all
remember
the
dreadful
events
which
led
to
the
committee's
and
quietly
the
nation
was
rocked
by
the
first
fire
back
in
2014
and
all
of
Scotland
of
siddik
Scotland
in
particular,
but
indeed
people
beyond
Scotland
came
together
to
support
the
GSE
in
its
ambition
to
rebuild.
D
D
C
Adam
Tom
very
grateful
to
the
Minister
for
taking
intervention.
Does
the
administer
agreed
that
the
GSA
have
not
in
the
GSA
management?
Have
not
only
allowed
this
iconic
building
to
burn
down
twice
in
a
space
of
four
years,
but
in
the
aftermath
of
the
2018
fire
they
treated
their
neighbours
in
the
garnet
Hill
community
that
he
was
just
referring
to
both
residents
and
businesses
up
and
down
sakyo
Street
with
disdain
and
contempt,
and
you
put
all
of
this
together.
Is
it
not
the
ministers
view
that
it?
C
D
There
are
lessons
to
learn
in
terms
of
how
they
communicated
with
the
local
community
following
the
fire,
and
they
have
taken
steps
to
try
and
address
some
of
these
concerns,
and
did
they
are
working
in
a
closer
relationship
with
local
communities
and
their
host
meetings
of
the
Community
Council
and
if
appointed
effective
early
is
an
officer
to
work
to
bring
the
school
and
the
local
community
together
as
well.
So
I
think
there
are,
of
course
lessons
to
be
learnt
in
that
area
can
I
also
say.
D
Of
course,
we
are
indebted
to
the
Scottish
Fire
and
Rescue
Service,
who
responded
quickly
in
the
name
of
the
fire
and
I
think
the
scene
less
than
five
minutes
after
the
alarm
was
raised
and
firefighters
were
faced
with
a
well
developed
fire,
but
the
Spader
based
efforts
were
unable
to
prevent
the
spread
of
the
fire
to
these
neighboring
properties
and,
of
course,
with
that
quick
response
from
the
fire
service.
This
fire
could
have
spread
much
further
than
it
did
so.
D
Incidents
like
this
major
fire
remainders
of
the
sheer
bravery
of
these
firefighters,
who
were
willing
to
put
themselves
in
danger
to
assist
others
and
again,
I'm
sure
what
see
the
opportunity
as
during
the
campaign
did
as
well
to
thank
our
firefighters
and
indeed
the
staff
both
on
scene
and
in
the
operations.
Control
room
at
the
time
is,
of
course,
also
important
to
note
that
the
glassful
school
of
arts
got
a
really
important
position
locally
and
nationally
and
across
the
world.
D
We
may
think,
of
course,
as
we
do,
that
the
Mac
is
what
we
picture
when
we
think
of
the
GSE,
but
the
school
itself
has
recognized
the
value
of
the
building
as
a
teaching
venue
is
also
so
clearly
more
than
just
a
building.
Their
porting
of
the
semi
so
evident
in
the
weight
of
these
two
tragedies
is
testament
the
fact.
D
As
well.
And,
of
course,
let's
not
forget,
GSE
is
ranked
and
top
ten
art
design
institutions
in
the
q-s
World
University
Rankings
for
2019
underlining
as
Arial
and
durable
international
status,
but
the
focus
of
this
debate,
as
we
know,
as
the
findings
of
the
committee's
to
reports
in
relation
to
the
Mac,
and
there
is
indeed
much
the
committee's
reports.
D
It
highlights
and
gives
us
all
to
reflect
upon
references
to
the
GSEs
approach
to
risk
management
which
was
not
being
sufficiently
robust
and
that
the
board
did
not
have
the
expertise
required
to
tackle
such
a
complex
project
and
equation.
Some
of
the
decisions
taken,
for
example,
an
installation
of
the
mr.
patience
system.
D
So
these
are
some
of
the
issues
enjoying
the
campaign
covered,
others
reason
and
the
reports
and
of
course
it
is
for
the
glass
of
school
of
art
as
an
autonomous
body
and
as
the
owner
of
the
Macintosh
building
to
respond
to
these
matters,
and
of
course
it
has
done
so
likewise.
The
future
use
of
the
Mac
as
a
decision
for
the
school.
The
board
has
made
clear
its
intention
to
rebuild
the
current
site
and
that
the
match
had
returned
as
a
fully
functional
art
school.
D
That's
why
I
welcome
the
glass
school
of
arts,
commitment
to
improving
engagement
with
the
local
community,
which
will
continue
to
be
of
vital
importance
as
it
develop
and
take
forward
and
refine
the
plans.
Now.
The
cabinet
secretary
for
cultural
tourism,
external
fiercest
sitting,
next
to
me,
has
responded
to
committee's
recommendations
for
both
the
government
and
for
historic
environment
Scotland
officially,
and
what
is
clear
is
that
we
should
seek
to
learn
from
the
events
of
June
2018
and
do
it
can
to
help
prevent
similar
events
happening
in
the
future.
D
We
will
look
at
the
options
for
a
fire
mitigation
review
and
of
per
stand
in
the
fire
safety
in
the
context
of
a
listed
buildings
and
public
and
major
institutional
ownership.
We
have
also
agreed
to
take
a
very
focused
look
at
historic
environment.
Scotsman
status
would
be
met
in
relation
to
fire
mitigation
and
buildings.
Outstanding
special,
architectural
or
historic
interest,
and
government
officials
are
currently
working
on
this
and
closely
isn't
with
their
colleagues
from
Historic
Scotland
and
valuing
Scotland's
an
addition.
D
The
agency
will
review
and
strengthen
its
gaytan's
and
the
risks
of
the
buildings
during
conservation
renovation
work
and
its
technical
guidance
and
fire
safety
management,
so
that
work
will
take
him
to
curtain
the
findings
of
the
SAF
RS
investigation
once
it's
complete.
The
government
will
also
await
investigations
outcome
before
considering
further
the
Committee's
recommendation
to
establish
a
public
inquiry.
D
So
it's
important
to
notice
that
each
a
conclusion
that
ministers
have
no
direct
role
and
directing
decisions
made
by
the
boards
of
Scottish
higher
education
institutions.
However,
the
Scottish
funding
Council
does
have
a
role
in
supporting
the
school
and
its
core
function
of
delivering
high
quality
teaching
and
learning
and
ensuring
that
a
suitable
vision
for
his
governance
and
management's
and
I'm
pleased
in
the
face
of
the
extreme
pressures
faced
by
the
school
that
has
got
his
funding
case
or
stay
atop.
D
Its
engagement
with
the
board
and
senior
management
team
to
ensure
the
high
level
of
governance.
We
do
expect
in
their
higher
education
institutions,
and
we
expect
that
here
too,
is
in
fact
the
case
and
also
the
support
staff
and
students
during
what
has
been
a
very
difficult
time.
There's
also
been
five
new
board
members
appointed
by
the
board's
GSE,
and
they
will
also
appoint
a
permanent
director
of
States
as
well
and
other
positions
that
hopefully
will
improve
things
going
forward
at
the
same
time
and
give
them
the
necessary
skills.
D
E
You
presiding
officer
and
thank
you
to
the
culture
committee
for
their
work
and
bringing
this
to
the
chamber
today.
The
charles
rennie
mackintosh
building
stood
as
a
beautiful
symbol
for
the
best
of
scottish
art
and
design.
Its
most
famous
feature
was
its
library,
which
housed
many
rare
and
archival
materials,
as
well
as
original
furniture
and
fittings.
It
was
so
heartbreaking
and
we'll
here
that
I'm
sure
from
many
colleagues
today
to
watch
the
grade.
E
A
listed
Glasgow
School
of
Art
affectionately,
known
as
the
Mack
destroyed
by
fire
for
a
second
time
on
the
night
of
the
15th
of
June
2018,
the
community
of
Glasgow
and
Beyond
were
devastated
by
the
fire
that
night,
as
well
as
everyone
across
Scotland,
and
the
impact
it
continues
to
have.
Businesses
and
local
residents
still
withstand
the
worst
of
the
consequences
of
that
fire,
and
that
is
why
it
is
so
important
that,
in
the
future,
the
local
community
are
treated
with
respect
and
consulted
and
engaged
in
future
processes.
E
I
want
to
pay
tribute
to
those
who
helped
that
night
from
the
fire
service
to
the
police,
their
efforts
ensured
that
we
did
not
see
further
damage.
Done
importantly,
I
also
want
to
pay
tribute
to
those
who
lost
work
during
the
fire
artists
and
restorers,
who
worked
tirelessly
and
meticulously
to
replicate
beautiful
rennie
mackintosh
pieces
tragically
lost
their
great
work,
not
only
that
night,
but
also
in
the
first
fire.
E
Whilst
we
wait
the
conclusion
of
the
SF
RS
report,
we
know
fundamentally
that
historic
buildings
do
require
special
attention
during
works
and
the
delayed
installation
of
a
water
mist,
suppression
system
and
presence
of
obsolete
ventilation.
Ducts
exacerbated
the
two
fires
at
the
school.
In
the
run-up
to
the
first
fire
in
2014,
the
GSA
appeared
not
to
have
specifically
addressed
the
heightened
fire
risk
to
the
Mac
building.
It
was
concerned
about
the
length
of
time
taken
for
a
mist
suppression
system
to
be
installed
and
questioned.
E
Whether
more
could
have
been
done
in
the
interim
period
to
protect
the
building.
Then
in
2018
that
in
the
fire
it
could
determine
whether
the
fire
alarm
system
was
switched
on
and
fully
operational
presiding
officer.
My
colleagues
on
the
Scottish
conservative
bent
stick
benches
were
clear
from
the
outset.
There
has
to
be
a
full
public
inquiry
into
the
fire.
E
Adam
Tompkins
made
this
abundantly
clear
in
February
when
he
stated,
and
I
quote,
a
public
inquiry
could
compel
the
disclosure
of
information
in
the
same
way
that
a
court
can
compel
the
release
of
documents
in
civil
proceedings.
We
cannot
let
damage
on
this
magnitude
happen
again
to
any
other
prestigious
listed
building.
Ultimately,
lessons
have
to
be
learned.
There
are
hundreds
of
listed
buildings
going
through
restoration
at
any
given
time
and
to
simply
wish
that
something
similar
would
not
happen
again
would
be
preposterous
and
I
was
glad
that
this
was
touched
upon
in
the
committee
report.
E
We
need
to
see
all
stakeholders
involved
getting
round
the
table
to
ensure
that
our
historic
buildings,
where
the
castles
stately
homes,
Civic
buildings,
are
properly
protected
at
all
times,
not
just
during
restoration
or
construction.
The
committee
was
right
to
call
for
a
review
to
all
the
appropriate
pieces
of
legislate
legislation
that
correspond
to
you
listed
buildings.
We
need
to
see
the
Scottish
Government,
the
Scottish
Fire
and
Rescue
Services
and
historic
environment,
Scotland
review
fire
safety
procedures
in
category
a
listed
buildings.
E
This
could
be
done
in
line
with
ensuring
the
Scottish
Government
reviews,
the
legal
protections
for
category
a
listed
buildings.
If
these
historic
and
valuable
buildings
are
to
be
safely
restored
and
maintained,
there
needs
to
be
better
regulations
in
place
to
ensure
that
contractors
are
respecting
the
unique
characteristics
of
these
buildings
and
I.
Look
forward
to
the
minister
in
his
close
at
knowledge
in
the
sports
and
I
believe.
The
best
way
forward
is
also
to
better
educate
owners
and
contractors
on
the
unique
nature
of
listed
historic
buildings
and
the
distinct
set
of
problems
that
they
compose.
E
That
HGS
need
to
update
that
guidance
to
ask
for
better
compartment
ation
of
historic
buildings
to
hinder
that
the
spread
of
the
fire
I
also
believe
that
this
must
be
done
sympathetically
and
not
detriment.
The
historical
value
of
those
buildings
in
question
I
also
agree
with
the
committee
that
we
may
need
to
focus
our
intention
on
categorization
of
buildings.
E
Whilst
a
grey
list
buildings
command
the
highest
level
of
protection,
does
it
really
ensure
they
are
safe
on
a
quick
to
deal
with
fires
and
other
disasters,
and
should
specific
protections
be
extended
to
those
of
unique
cultural
and
historical
significance,
rather
than
just
those
in
the
category
a
fundamentally
presiding
officer?
We
do
need
better
guidance.
We
need
better
legislation
and
better
protection
for
our
historic
buildings.
In
order
that
we
do
not
see
this
happen
again.
E
What
took
place
at
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
back
in
June
2018
will
remain
a
constant
reminder
that
historic
buildings
require
special
attention
during
restoration
and
construction
works.
Whilst
the
failings
in
the
run-up
to
the
fire
cannot
be
simply
narrowed
down
to
one
single
issue,
it's
important
that
we've
recognized
the
report
on
the
cause
of
the
fire
has
not
yet
been
established
by
this
motion.
Fire
and
Rescue
Service,
though
investigations
are
said
to
be
in
their
final
phase.
E
I
share
the
comments
of
the
committee
that,
after
the
conclusion
of
the
SFR
s
report,
the
Scottish
government
should
establish
a
public
inquiry
with
judicial
powers
into
the
2014
and
the
2018
fires
at
the
Mac
and,
as
I
pointed
out
earlier,
we've
been
clear
on
this
since
day.
One,
the
transparency
of
the
GSA
management
must
also
be
scrutinized.
G
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
put
on
record
my
thanks
to
the
committee
and
the
committee
convener
Joan
McAlpine,
who
I
believe
had
a
forensic
examination
of
the
tragedy
of
the
cost
of
school
of
our
fire
and
I.
Think
that
this
committee
report
has
to
be
commended
as
one
of
the
most
important
reports
I
think
that
the
Parliament
completed
so
far
because
I
think
that
the
nature
over
and
they
got
to
the
very
bottom
and
the
heart
of
some
issues
that
still
have
to
be
answered.
G
So
I'd
like
to
thank
them
for
that,
because
for
the
second
time
in
four
years,
Glasgow
School
of
Art
was
the
police
and
stuck
a
whole
Street
cordoned
off.
It
was
a
tragedy
for
the
school
of
art
itself
for
those
associated
with
those
who
loved
it.
Local
businesses
really
ought
to
is
still
devastated.
We
still
don't
know
the
future
of
that
important
music
venue
and,
as
been
mentioned
by
others,
Adam
Tomkinson
have
worked
very
closely
with
Adam
on
this
issue.
G
The
community
were
totally
devastated
and
still
are
devastated
by
this
families
are
split
up
due
to
the
difficulties
in
getting
emergency
accommodation.
People
return
to
their
homes
on
the
night
of
the
fire,
we're
not
allowed
to
return
home
for
four
months.
They
weren't
even
allowed
to
come
and
collect
personal
belongings.
So
we
can
never
underestimate
the
impact
of
this
fire,
but
it
does
expose
what
is
not
just
proved
relationships
between
the
local
community
and
the
classical
about
the
time
of
fire.
G
I
think
it's
important
to
point
it
to
the
cabinet
secretary,
that
this
is
a
relationship
which
be
very
proof
in
a
long
period
of
time
and
I.
Think
at
least
mu
degrees
are
makers
is
acknowledging
that
and
it
can
never
be
allowed
to
happen.
They're
such
an
important
institution,
and
then
sitting
in
the
middle
of
garner
here
and
in
residential
community,
really
needs
to
have
an
ongoing
excellent
relationship
with
local
people.
There
to
see
businesses
were
devastated
and
by
the
causes,
Bulevar
a
fire
and
they
are
still
struggling
today.
F
G
Think
at
the
very
least,
I
think
we
should
know
what
the
barriers,
after
are
any
barriers
for
the
conclusion
of
the
report
and
other
access
to
the
site
has
been
difficult,
but
it's
16
months
on
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
indication
of
when
that
can
be
expected,
and
so
there
were
series
fire
was
associated
with
a
building
of
that
nature,
and
the
key
part
of
the
report
and
they're
identified
as
special
majors
should
have
been
taken.
I
must
be
taken
in
a
building
of
that
kind.
G
License
were
not
learned
between
the
two
fires
and
like
Rachel
Hamilton
I,
find
it
quite
astonishing
to
read
in
the
committee
report
that
they
were
not
in
a
position
to
whether
the
final
item
system
was
switched
on
the
night
of
the
fire.
I
had
to
read
it
three
or
four
times
to
read
it
correctly.
Someone
must
be
held
to
account
for
this.
G
How
is
it
possible
for
the
leadership
of
Glasgow
School
of
Art
to
come
along
and
tell
the
committee
or
anyone
else
that
they
don't
actually
know
whether
the
alarm
was
switched
on
and
actually
beggars?
Belief,
so
should
be
no
question
in
the
minds
of
the
leadership.
Of
course,
the
school
of
art
and
I
want
to
get
this
point
before
I
close,
because
the
committee
did
also
did
not
mince
words
when
it
came
to
the
governance
of
Glasgow
School
of
Art,
and
they
said
explicitly
that
it
did
not
give
sufficient
priority
to
safeguarding
of
the
Macintosh.
G
Now
to
me
that
must
give
ministers
serious
concerns,
no
not
withstanding
what
the
cabinet
secretary
said
about
the
nature
of
it.
Being
the
guardian
of
the
marking.
Torch
is
a
public
institution
and
must
be
ways
in
which
ministers
can
see.
Well,
we
are
not
satisfied
that
you
are
the
cadet
custodians
of
the
marking
Tosh,
you
are
a
public
institution
and
you
have
to
be
accountable.
The
lack
of
transparency
regarding
what
measures
they
took
in
2014
as
another
astonishing
fact
only
brought
out
by
this
committee
report.
It's
quite
unbelievable.
G
We
would
like
to
think
that,
after
one
fire
that
the
leadership
could
come
to
the
committee
and
explicitly
spare
light
war
measures,
they
were
taking
in
order
to
make
sure
that
it
didn't
happen
again.
They
were
unable
and
to
do
so.
It
is
clear
in
such
cases
that
we
are
historic.
Buildings
such
as
the
Mac
has
a
dual
function.
G
It
gives
a
strange
message
to
the
public,
about
funding
fire
safety
measures
and
to
me,
what
it
points
to
is
that
the
strategy
of
the
leadership
all
over
the
place,
because
there
must
have
been
another
way,
raising
funds
for
some
for
a
system,
that's
absolutely
essential
to
protect
in
the
building
I
got
them.
Tompkins
I
believe
there's
been
a
complete
lack
of
leadership
here
and
I'm
really
dissatisfied
at
the
lack
of
answers
that
we
have
on
this
I
just
want
to
read
some
of
them,
including
there's,
been
a
catalogue
of
errors.
G
We
still
don't
know
why
Tolman
is
suddenly
departed.
Ministers
should
be
asking.
Is
the
public
institution
why
the
Tom
Innes
leave
the
glasses
School
of
Art,
and
why
did
you
leave
so
suddenly
why
our
six
staff
members
signing
confidentiality
agreement?
What
is
this
confidential
information
that
they
are
protecting?
Why
were
there
pairs
of
two
hundred
and
ten
thousand
pounds?
The
dysfunctionality
at
the
top
of
this
institution
should
be
unacceptable
to
ministers
unacceptable
to
Parliament.
It's
certainly
unacceptable
to
the
general
public.
We
have
to
get
answers
to
this.
This
is
an
institution
we
all
love.
G
H
Forgive
me,
presiding
officer,
didn't
quite
hear
you
thank
you
for
calling
me
in
the
debate
and
can
I
recognize
the
the
work
that
the
committee
has
done
in
producing
this
report.
I
certainly
want
to
begin
by
agreeing
with
the
the
central
conclusions
in
the
committee
report.
Yes,
indeed,
that
the
public
inquiry
will
be
required
and
I
hope,
the
government
in
responding
to
the
debate
will
give
some
explicit
assurances
on
that,
but
also
the
conclusion
that
says
that
the
issues
raised
in
this
report
go
well
beyond
that.
H
The
fire
itself,
its
causes
and
its
effects,
so
I
want
to
say
something
about
both
of
those.
The
the
issues
in
relation
to
the
fire.
First
of
all,
I
think
other
members
have
already
quite
clearly
set
out
the
shock,
the
the
the
almost
sense
of
disbelief,
some
of
what
has
been
phone
and
this
in
this
inquiry,
the
the
sense
that
a
fire
suppression
system
not
only
wasn't
in
place
but
had
to
be
fundraise
for
in
the
way
that
I
had
and
the
the
evidence
that
I
think
one
of
the
fire
safety
experts.
H
The
committee
heard
from
who
said
they'd
never
heard
of
any
other
organization
having
to
fundraise
for
safety.
Critical
infrastructure
of
this
kind.
I
really
think
that
that
speaks
to
the
extraordinary
and
exceptional
circumstances.
The
GSA
had
found
itself
and
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
questions
that
the
committee
raises
that
again
I
would
ask
the
government
to
respond
to
is
the
the
fact
the
historic
environment
Scotland
didn't
have
the
power
didn't,
have
the
power
to
mandate
the
fire
prevention
and
other
preservation
measures
that
were
required.
H
The
report
does
make
some
conclusions
around
this
and
I
think
asks
for
the
government
to
look
at
the
overall
remit
of
historic
environment,
Scotland
and
I
hope
that
something
the
minister
will
reply
to.
But
I
wanted
mostly
to
talk
about
the
issues
of
context,
because
Glasgow
School
of
Art
is
not
just
a
building
valued
iconic
and
important
though
it
is,
it
is
also
something
that
sets
within
a
context
the
young,
the
written
submission
from
the
displaced
residents
group,
which
the
the
committee's
report
cites
includes.
H
We
have
never
been
included
or
invited
to
any
of
the
degree
shows
or
to
see
the
building
the
buildings
in
the
28
years,
I've
lived
in
garnet
Hill,
though
we've
endured
the
disruption
and
the
noise
every
day
and
the
the
residents
group
went
on
to
say
the
picture
painted
is
of
a
selfish
neighbor
with
little
understanding
of
the
impact
they
have
on
their
community.
We
should
be
angry
at
that
perception.
We
should
note
and
acknowledge
that
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
recognized
the
validity
of
that
perception.
H
H
It
should
be
a
warning
to
all
institutions,
all
large
organizations,
public,
private
or
voluntary-
that
have
a
role
in
shaping
the
nature
of
the
community
that
they
live
in
and
level
longside
build
that
trust
before
you
end
up
encountering
a
crisis,
because
if
you
have
to
encounter
a
crisis,
if
you
have
to
go
through
a
situation,
anything
alike
that
which
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
and
its
community
went
through
it's
too
late
to
start
building
that
trust.
Then
it
has
to
be
done
now.
H
So
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
warning
that
everyone,
not
just
the
GSA
and
the
organizations
that
are
responsible
for
this
situation
should
be
should
be
taking
seriously.
And
the
other
aspect
about
context
is
not
just
about
the
local
area
which
clearly
needs
a
proactive
approach
to
the
the
redevelopment
of
sakyo
Street.
There
should
be
a
a
time
you
know
whether
the
avenues
project
has
has
taken
sakyo,
Street,
more
back
for
public
use,
less
space
taken
up
by
by
traffic
and
more
for
people.
H
F
I
You
presiding
officer
can
I
start
by
thanking
John
McHale
Payne
for
leading
this
debate
on
behalf
of
the
cultural
tourism
and
External
Affairs,
Committee,
of
which
I'm
a
member
and
I
know
that,
but
for
a
family
bereavement,
the
local
member
Sandra,
wait
MSP
would
also
be
participating,
and
this
to
be
on
behalf
of
her
constraints.
I
too
was
deeply
saddened
to
hear
about
the
first
fire
at
the
Glasgow
scale
of
art
by
in
2014.
I
Everyone
knows
if
you
want
to
see
something
beautiful
in
Glasgow.
All
you
have
to
do
is
look
up.
You
were
greeted
by
grand
old
buildings
of
beautiful
ornate
facades.
Now
I
wouldn't
necessarily
count.
The
mic
has
having
been
one
of
the
place
pieces
of
architecture,
but
it
was
undeniably
straightly
striking
groundbreaking
and
have
huge
significance
to
the
city
of
Glasgow.
I
was,
of
course,
also
shocked
when
I
heard
it
was
ablaze
again
in
2018,
I'm
sure
over
the
rails.
I
She
had
that
emotion
losing
one
of
charles
rennie
mackintosh
his
most
iconic
buildings,
if
not
the
most
iconic,
as
they
do
blow
to
the
history
and
culture
of
Glasgow
in
Scotland.
Well,
it
may
seem
dramatic
to
colour
fire
with
new
human
casualties,
a
tragedy
thinking
of
such
a
beautiful
listed
building
being
gutted,
not
long
after
150th
anniversary
with
reform
Bishops
after
200
2014
fire
so
close
to
completion,
it's
hard,
not
to
feel
sad
undergraduate
students
were
said
to
have
access
to
the
new
building
earlier
this
year,
and
this
was
taken
away
from
them.
I
I
Insufficient
priority
was
guarantee
fire
prevention
and
we
can't
allow
such
a
disaster
to
happen
again
anyone's
called,
including
every
belt
at
a
juvenile,
a
school
school
of
art.
Of
course,
the
real
question
is
just:
how
can
we
prevent
this
from
happening
again?
It
doesn't
help,
but
buildings
under
construction
tend
to
be
more
vulnerable
simply
because
a
lot
of
construction
or
reconstruction
in
this
case
involves
something
called
hot
work.
I
I
We
all
know
what
the
blaze
in
2014
started
in
a
studio
and
was
accelerated
by
voids
and
ventilation
ducts
in
the
building
that
loaded
to
spread
up
towards
the
library
these
voids
empty
spaces
such
as
in
the
roof
that
simply
allow
for
natural
ventilation.
We're
pointed
out
after
fire
in
2014
and
had
previously
been
noted
as
a
potential
issue
during
inspections
in
1997
and
2006.
Why
was
nothing
done
about
them
and
the
refurbishment
post-2014
another
aspect
of
all
most
recent
art
school
fire
is
home
fire
safety
measures.
Such
a
sprinkler
system
were
available.
I
What
not
yet
in
use
and
March
of
this
year.
The
company,
the
committee
sorry
had
evidence
from
fire
expert,
Steven,
McKenzie
and
conservation,
arctic
Dawson's
Stelfox
regarding
the
2018
event
and
that
session
icord,
a
school
of
art
spokesperson
who,
in
the
teams
that
very
D
said
and
I
quote
as
regards
having
a
working
mr.
prescient
system
attend
with
the
fire.
There
is
no
such
system
that
could
have
been
operational
on
the
mark
prior
to
the
completion
of
the
build
fees.
Mr.
I
I
Although
the
reasoning
behind
that
appeared,
sound
sating,
the
dangers
of
high
pressured
volumes
of
water
on
such
a
story,
building
had
the
system
been
functional,
the
damage
to
the
skill
that
may
not
have
been
anything
late
as
extensive
in
terms
of
the
GSC
borders
is
that
reacted
to
this.
There
are
deep
concerns
about
that
approached,
openness,
transparency
and
the
way
to
wednesday
they
present
and
share
information.
I
Indeed,
when
the
committee
published
a
report
that
response
and
the
gsa
board,
if
I'm
being
diplomatic
was,
to
put
it
mildly,
utterly
dismissive,
there's
a
clear
sense
of
stakeholders,
evidence
the
level
of
information
and
transparency
around
the
consequences.
Both
fires
had
been
far
from
ideal,
leading
to
unnecessary
speculation.
I
Well,
some
measures
were
seemingly
taken
by
the
gsa,
such
as
much
of
the
information
was
not
easily
accessible
on
their
website
and
only
available
on
request,
for
example,
of
GSA's
website
includes
clear
information
about
the
restoration
project
itself,
but
not
the
governance
and
decision-making
processes
underpinning
much
of
this
work
going
forward,
the
GSA
must
review
her
publishes
information
concerning
the
Macintosh
building
and
others
provide
a
clear
picture
of
its
activities.
Of
course,
we
must
all
await
that.
I
Come
with
a
fire
investigation
into
the
events
of
last
June
before
getting
the
next
steps
on
the
license
table
air
that
I'm
sure
many
of
us
are
frustrated
that
it
has
taken
some
1516
months
already,
and
we
would
like
to
see
that
report
a
comprehensive,
detailed
report.
Obviously,
as
soon
as
possible,
everything's
clear,
there
must
be
more
transparency
regarding
the
processes
we
put
in
place
regarding
any
future
rebuild
of
the
Macintosh
building
planing
officer.
I
It's
no
exaggeration
to
say
that
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
files
have
marked
the
city
of
Glasgow,
and
indeed
most
particularly
the
community
that
surrounds
a
affected
staff,
students,
class
regions
and
revered
be
revealed
berated
beyond.
They
must
not
forget
extensive
damage
caused
to
the
e
to
e
BC
music
venue
next
door
as
well,
as
has
already
been
mentioned,
people's
homes
and
nearby
businesses.
C
Really
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
take
part
in
this
debate
and
I
commend
the
committee
for
its
work
and
for
its
report.
Presenting
officer
I
called
for
a
full
public
inquiry
into
the
fire
at
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
in
February
of
this
year.
One
month
before
the
Culture
and
Tourism
committee,
published
its
report
and
I
was
of
course
delighted
to
see
the
committee
yet
echo
my
call
for
such
an
inquiry
in
its
conclusions
and
recommendations.
C
We
need
a
full
public
inquiry
for
two
reasons:
first,
to
establish
beyond
doubt
what
happened
in
June
2018
when
the
Macintosh
building
went
down
for
the
second
time
in
four
years
and
why
it
happened,
and,
secondly,
and
every
bit,
as
importantly,
to
come
to
a
view
as
to
what
should
happen
to
the
building
in
the
future.
Now
the
Culture
and
Tourism
committee
has
done
excellent
work
in
identifying
a
whole
series
of
unresolved
questions,
but
we
now
need
a
properly
empowered
public
inquiry
to
answer
those
questions.
C
Questions
concerning
the
management
and
oversight
of
the
Mac's
restoration
by
the
school
of
art
by
the
principal
contractor,
Kier
construction
and
by
subcontractors,
and
questions
about
whether
the
appropriate
about
whether
appropriate
fire
safety
measures
were
implemented
following
the
2014
fire
in
the
same
building.
The
culture
and
tourism
committee
could
not
get
to
the
bottom
of
these
issues
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Beyond
its
control,
key
information
remains
hidden
from
the
public.
C
Despite
the
committee's
work,
minutes
of
School
of
Art
board
meetings
have
been
redacted,
as
was
the
Scottish
Fire
and
Rescue
Services
report
into
the
2014
fire
and
principal
contractor
care
construction
declined
to
disclose
to
MSPs
on
the
committee
a
key
document
unless
it
was
withheld
from
the
public.
A
public
inquiry
worked,
as
Rachel
Hamilton
pointed
out
in
her
remarks,
be
able
to
compel
the
disclosure
of
information
in
the
same
way
that
a
court
of
law
can
in
normal
civil
proceedings.
C
Now,
among
the
key
questions
that
we
need,
an
inquiry
to
answer
are
the
following:
presiding
officer.
This
is
not
an
exhaustive
list.
First,
the
2014
fire
was
put
out
quickly
once
the
fire
brigade
it
arrived,
but
it
had
already
spread
to
the
top
floor.
By
the
time
they
arrived
in
June
2018.
The
fire
brigade
arrived
on
the
scene
within
minutes
of
the
alarm
being
raised,
but
by
the
time
they
got
there,
the
whole
of
the
McIntosh
building
was
ablaze
from
top
to
bottom
SF.
C
Rs
have
said
that
the
2018
fire
must
have
been
burning
for
between
45
to
60
minutes
before
the
alarm
was
even
raised
for
an
hour
before
the
alarm
was
even
raised.
How
was
this
allowed
to
happen?
Second,
between
28
2008
and
2012,
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
spent
eight
and
a
half
million
pounds
of
public
money
of
hora
of
Heritage
Lottery
Fund
money,
but
not
on
protecting
the
vents,
which
others
have
already
talked
about
which
were
critical
in
accelerating
the
spread
of
the
2014
fire.
Why
was
this?
C
The
Culture
and
Tourism
committee
was
told
that
in
2018
the
GSA
appears
to
have
had
one
Health
and
Safety
Officer
for
the
whole
of
its
estate,
not
just
for
the
Mac
Building
and
no
dedicated
fire
officer.
Is
that
true?
Regarding
the
care
and
reconstruction
work,
why
was
there
no
compartment
ation,
which
would
have
helped
stop
the
spread
of
the
2018
fire,
and
if
there
were
people
trained
to
inspect
for
fire
24/7,
as
there
surely
should
have
been?
C
Where
were
they
on
the
night
of
the
fire,
given
that
it
was
ablaze
for
a
an
hour
up
to
an
hour
before
the
fire,
crews
were
called?
Apparently,
the
fire
and
emergency
plans
set
out
that
there
was
a
guard
on-site
overnight
and
that
there
was
24-hour
security
monitoring,
so
why
in
June,
2018
was
no
alarm
raised
until
the
fire
had
been
burning
for
an
hour?
C
And
finally,
when
asked
by
MSPs
on
the
culture
and
tourism
committee,
care
could
not
confirm,
as
we've
already
heard,
from
Paulie
McNeill,
that
the
fire
alarm
system
had
not
been
switched
off
in
June.
This
is
absolutely
extraordinary.
There
had
been
dozens
of
false
alarms
in
March,
April
and
May,
but
none
in
the
three
weeks
prior
to
the
2018
fire
and
apparently
no
sound
of
an
alarm
on
the
night
of
the
fire.
So
what
explains
this?
These
are
just
five
of
the
questions
that
we
need.
Answers
to.
C
Questions
which
have
been
identified
by
John
McCarthy
as
committee,
but
not
yet
answered
presiding
officer
to
parties
come
out
of
the
disaster
of
the
28th
2018
and
fire
particularly
badly.
The
first
is
the
GSA
itself
and
a
second
I'm
afraid
is
the
SNP
administration
at
Glasgow
City
Council,
the
past
18
months,
half
as
Polly
McNeil
set
out
graphically
been
profoundly
difficult
for
the
businesses
and
residents
of
sake
all
Street
and
garnet
Hill.
C
They
had
been
pushed
to
breaking
point
through
no
fault
of
their
own
and
I
have
been
like
many
others
have
been
deeply
struck
by
their
resilience
and
their
tenacity.
There
was
an
alarming
lack
of
a
coherent
joined
up
plan
from
Glasgow
City
Council
to
deal
with
the
consequences
of
the
art-school
fire
last
year,
piecemeal
information,
trickled
down
to
traders
and
residents
in
the
days
and
weeks
following
the
fire,
and
it
was
clear
that
the
council
was
constantly
on
the
backfoot
18
months
on
there's
still
no
long-term
strategy
for
the
recovery
of
South
Eagle
Street.
C
No
one
blames
the
council
for
the
fires,
but
it
is
a
type
of
crisis.
It
seems
that
Susan
Macon
runs
an
administration
which
runs
for
cover
when
the
going
gets.
Tough
SNP
councilors
right
now
seem
more
interested
in
spending
taxpayers
money
on
shoes
for
themselves
than
on
helping
sake,
all
Street
and
garnet
he'll
recover.
As
for
the
School
of
Arts
management,
as
for
the
School
of
Arts
management,
they
are
even
more
culpable
under
their
stewardship.
Charles
rennie
mackintosh
is
jewel,
has
been
allowed
to
burn
down
twice.
C
The
School
of
Art
presiding
officer
has
straightforwardly
failed
in
its
custodianship
of
what
is
a
national
treasure
and
I
say
to
the
minister:
don't
allow
them
to
pull
the
wool
over
your
eyes
since
the
2018
fire
gsa
management
have
behaved
with
appalling,
high
handedness
and
arrogance
towards
local
residents,
with
callous
disregard
towards
local
businesses
and
with
dismissive
disdain
towards
members
of
this
Parliament
and
other
elected
politicians.
They
are
not
fit
to
run
the
school
of
art,
they
are
obstructive
and
secretive.
They
are
rotten
neighbors.
C
They
lack
any
sense
of
civic
duty
and
responsibility
and,
in
my
view,
presiding
officer,
the
McIntosh
building
and
its
restoration
should
be
taken
away
from
them
and
charles
rennie
mackintosh
is
glory,
should
be
rebuilt
not
as
a
private
art
school
but
as
a
public
asset
for
us
all
to
enjoy.
Indeed,
as
a
magnet
during
tourists
from
all
over
the
world
to
Glasgow
to
celebrate
the
crowning
achievement
of
one
of
our
finest
ever
artists.
J
Thank
You
presiding
officer
is
a
member
of
the
culture
tourism,
European,
External,
Affairs
Committee
I,
am
pleased
to
have
been
called
to
make
a
contribution
to
this
afternoon's
debate
on
our
committee
reports
entitled
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
Macintosh,
building
the
loss
of
a
national
treasure
and
can
I
say
at
the
outset
that
for
all
members
of
the
committee
across
all
political
parties-
and
we
did
approach
this
on
our
nonpartisan
basis
and
disappointed
in
the
tune
of
mr.
Tompkins.
But
that's
up
to
him.
But
on
a
cross-party
basis.
J
What
we
felt
of
the
committee
was
an
incredible
sense
of
loss
and
that
provide
our
work,
and
this
incredible
sense
of
loss
has
been
our
key
motivation
in
examining
what
has
happened
and
what
must
happen
going
forward
to
ensure
that
license
are
learned.
Presiding
officer.
I
would
wish,
at
the
outset,
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
the
committee
clerics
for
older
their
sterling
work
in
producing
this
very
comprehensive
report,
which
was
published
on
the
8th
of
March
2019
in
our
report.
J
I
believe
that
we
have
set
forth
fairly
the
evidence
received
and
have
reached
conclusions
and
recommendations
without
fear
or
favor,
and
that
indeed,
is
as
it
should
be,
and
the
key
recommendation
we
have
made
that
has
been
referred
to
already
today
is
that
the
government
should
establish
a
public
inquiry
once
the
Scottish,
Fire
and
Rescue
Service
has
concluded
its
own
and
investigation.
I'm.
J
Regrettably,
in
the
case
of
the
mark,
there
appears
to
have
been
an
arm's
length
approach.
This
was
not
a
help.
Turning
to
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
board
the
custodians
indeed
of
this
most
precious
of
buildings,
it
has
to
be
reiterated
again
that
they
presided
over
not
just
one
but
two
catastrophic
fires:
the
first
on
the
23rd
of
May
2014
and
the
second
on
the
15th
of
June
2018,
and
the
obvious
question
that
indeed
arises
is
what
license
did
they
learn
after
the
first
catastrophic
fire?
J
Awarded
apparently
for
heritage
purposes
could
not
have
been
used
and
how,
in
fact
was
that
money
spent
did
it
go
to
Wars?
Perhaps
the
purchase
of
new
buildings
rather
than
for
heritage
purposes.
These
matters
are
not
clear
and
must
be
clarified.
It
was
also
stated
that,
aside
from
the
fundraising
issue,
it
was
subsequently
discovered
only
in
July
2013
that
there
was
a
problem
with
as
Vestas
which
required
to
be
dealt
with
prior
to
installing
the
water
mist
operations
system.
J
Again,
the
question
arises
as
to
why
this
key
fact
was
discovered
so
late
in
the
day,
given
fundraising
for
the
project
had
commenced
in
2009,
surely
there
should
have
been
a
full
technical
survey
conducted
when
considering
the
project
to
determine,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
what
needed
to
be
done.
This
then,
would
have
informed
the
decision
asked
the
amount
of
money
that
would
need
to
have
been
raised.
Questions
also
rose
as
to
whether
proportionate
measures
were
taken
with
regard
to
risk
management
by
the
board.
J
Questions
also
arose
as
to
transparency
of
information
available,
including
the
itemization
zuv
items
lost
in
the
collections
in
2014
and
2018,
the
value
of
each
item
and
so
forth,
and
in
this
regard,
questions
also
arose
as
to
the
relevant
insurance
cover
in
place
and
I
had
asked
a
committee
for
a
copy
of
the
current
insurance
policy
to
be
made
available
and
files.
The
GIC
said
in
committee
that
and
that
on
the
15th
of
November
that
they
would
do
so,
the
subsequently
refused
to
make
this
policy
public.
J
So
we
have
no
idea
what
cover
is
in
place.
What
conditions
are
set
forth
with
regard
to
the
cover,
what
the
value
of
the
cover
is
and
whether
the
policy
will
be
paid
out
and
will
it
be
paid
out
in
foo
and
when
will
it
be
paid
out?
This
is
simply
not
acceptable,
presiding
officer,
not
least
as
the
public
purse
paid
for
the
cost
of
the
insurance
premiums.
J
In
conclusion,
it
is
I
believe,
indeed
vital
that
we
get
to
the
bottom
of
all
of
this,
for
the
Mac
was,
as
we
have
heard,
not
just
a
national
treasure,
but
it
was
a
very
significant
international
importance
and
presiding
officer
in
examining
the
fact
that
we
have
been
able
to
unearth
thus
far.
It
is
really
very
difficult
to
see
how
it
is
be
possible,
going
forward
for
a
sustainable
position
to
be
that
the
dual
purpose
of
the
Mac
as
a
functioning
art
school
and
as
a
museum
could
continue.
J
K
You,
deputy
presiding
officer
I
welcome
the
opportunity
to
take
part
in
this
afternoon's
debate
and
I.
Thank
the
committee
for
the
important
work
they've
done
in
this
inquiry
to
highlight
such
key
issues
in
relation
to
both
fire
simulation
and
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art,
I,
recall
and
me
to
2014,
leaving
our
meeting
in
Bath,
Street,
Glasgow
and
heading
up
to
also
Kiyoshi.
K
It
was
a
lunchtime
and
the
smoke
was
beginning
to
fell
through
the
sky,
and
people
were
shocked
and
a
bit
in
fear
as
to
what
was
heartening
and
they
became
even
more
shocked
later
when
it
became
a
part
that
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
it
was
in
fire.
Such
an
iconic
golden
and
I've
shocked.
Many
as
many
of
the
colleagues
have
said,
and
it
to
be
an
imagined
shot,
was
amplified.
K
K
K
K
I
mean
it's
astonishing
all
under
lanes
the
fact
that
at
the
time
of
the
2014
fire,
not
where
fire
risks
associated
without
buildin,
it's
absolutely
astonishing.
The
must
suppression
system
which
was
identified
in
2000
any
has
been
necessary
to
give
protection
from
fire.
Wasn't
fully
installed
at
the
time
of
the
2014
fire,
and
it's
also
equally
astonishing
that
come
the
2018
fire
on
the
night
of
the
fire.
The
fire
alarm
wasn't
Watkyn.
As
pollen
McNeil
said.
K
You
know
that
beggars,
belief
and
those
issues
alone
that
a
lot
of
other
issues
covered
in
the
report,
those
issues
alone,
riah
serious
questions
about
the
management
of
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art.
He
sends
looking
at
the
report
and
also
at
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
response
that
you
know
that
about
prickly
in
terms
of
the
criticism,
but
you've
really
got
to
ask
the
question
to
such
large
files
in
four
years
on
a
catalogue
of
errors
of
mismanagement.
K
A
lot
of
the
businesses
are
owned,
the
sake
all
Street
area
and
some
people
were
moved
from
their
homes
and
you
know
split
off
from
their
families
and
been
our
remains
that
we
can
say
the
remain
concerns
about
the
real
can
or
lack
of
support,
and
also
the
the
lack
of
engagement
from
the
Glasgow
skill.
You
know
a
stock
with
a
contribution
party
coffee
made
and
talking
about
that
is
than
the
20
years.
Hadn't
had
any
engagement.
K
You
know
what
the
the
school
at
all
I
think
that
shows
a
little
failure
of
public
responsibility,
so
I
think
there
are
multiple
issues
here
and
that's
why
people
members
under
committee
irate
to
call
for
a
public
inquiry
that
public
inquiry
is
necessary
because
we
still
don't
know
properly
why
these
files
happened
in
2014
in
2018,
and
there
are
clearly
important
lessons
that
have
got
to
the
land
from
from
these
incidents.
I
think
serious
questions
about
that.
K
All
of
the
the
GSA
they've
been
severely
criticized
in
the
report
and
also
in
some
members
contributions
and
the
public
inquiry
needs
to
look
at
that.
I
think
that
also
has
to
be
an
examination
of
how
we
protect
other
historic
buildings
throughout
Scotland
to
ensure
that
there
aren't
any
fire
risks
there.
K
So
in
doing
that,
you
know
I
hope
that
the
government
might
take
on
board
these
calls
for
a
public
inquiry
and
also
think
the
government
needs
to
be
about
more
proactive
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
the
raw
in
relation
to
our
historic
buildings,
but
also
for
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art.
The
government
do
have
a
responsibility
here.
So
in
summing
up
their
deputy
presiding
officer,
I
think
there's
been
an
important
body
of
work
that
the
committee
is
querido,
but
it's
normal,
but
by
no
means
the
end
of
the
matter.
K
L
You
for
leading
officer
I
am
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
this
to
be,
and
I
would
like
to
put
all
in
record
my
thanks
to
the
committee
and
the
Clarkes
for
producing
this
substantive
piece
of
work.
I
found
that
informative
piece
of
work
coming
to
as
norm
committee
member.
However,
before
turning
to
the
stop
of
the
report,
I
would
like
very
briefly
to
reflect
on
a
previous
Jill
in
glass
was
architectural
here
to
teach
if
it
was
lost.
Afire
this
past
saturday
marked
forty-seven
years
since
glasgow
lost
san
andrès
hall.
L
No
I,
don't
think
those
many
people,
perhaps
in
this
chamber
here,
would
be
familiar
with
San,
Andres,
Hall
or
even
its
history,
but
it
was
one
of
the
premiere
music
venues,
not
just
in
Scotland
in
the
UK,
but
in
Europe
it
had
legendary
acoustics.
It
was
home
of
the
Scottish
National
Orchestra
and
it
hosted
some
of
the
greatest
musicians
of
all
time
from
Dame
Nellie
Melba
to
Sergei
Rachmaninoff
and
also
hosted
some
of
the
most
significant
political
figures,
including
David,
Lloyd,
George
and
Winston
Churchill.
L
Intact
is
because
of
a
firewall
between
San
Andres
Hall
and
the
Metro
library
that
was
put
in
place
during
a
second
modeled
war,
and
it
is
that
because
it
raises
two
equations
about
the
application
of
rules
and
appropriate
measures
of
mitigation
which
have
been
raised
within
less
piece
of
work.
Ana
is
tragic
that
some
forty
two
years
after
that
initial
levain,
another
duel
should
be
so
severely
damaged
and
then,
following
that
completely
almost
completely
destroyed,
and
this
and
the
fire
at
the
art
school
of
course
came
only
ten
years.
After
what
was
the
Elgin
place?
L
Congregational
Church
known
to
my
generations,
the
shack
and
a
club
was
bombed
to
the
ground
in
pet
Street
and
there
is
no
question.
How
is
that?
We
have
managed
to
find
ourselves
in
a
situation
for
these
architectural
gems,
so
interwoven
with
water
s
to
Glaswegian
identity
should
be
lost.
Why
is
it
that
these
lessons
over
half
a
century
have
been
have
failed
to
be
land,
a
question
that
arises
that
perhaps
was
always
going
to
be
an
inevitability,
that
such
tragedies
can't
happen.
L
What
would
have
been
like
to
have
been
living?
This
incredible
venue
and
I
wonder
for
people
born
today,
23
years
from
now
how
they
bought
with
what
they
will
ask.
What
would
have
been
like
to
visit
the
Macintosh
building
I
appreciate
they
are
calls
to
rebuild
I,
think
near
valid
calls
and
clearly
I.
Think
I
agree
with
the
committee
that
this
has
to
be
done
in
consultation
with
both
the
local
community
and
wader
stakeholders.
I
think
the
point
that
patrick
harvie
raised
a
bit.
L
So
many
of
the
contributions
afternoon
half
focused
on
the
need
to
ask
questions,
and
so
much
of
this
debate
is
ultimately
contingent
on
and
caveated
by
beneath
to
wait
for
the
outcome
of
the
SF
RS
inquiry
and
I
think
well,
it's
frustrating
that
we
do
not
have
a
report
yeah.
What
is
most
vitally
important
is
that
the
SAF
RS
and
all
in
both
have
the
opportunity
to
conduct
conduct
the
most
foo
and
robust
inquiry
so
that
we
have
a
full
understanding
of
the
events
that
took
place.
L
I
am
very
sympathetic
to
the
calls
for
a
full
public
inquiry.
I
think
what
would
be
most
beneficial,
however,
is
to
wait
until
we
have
the
full
results
of
the
inquiry
from
SI
FRS
before
proceeding
forward,
but
by
whatever
mechanism
we
achieve,
it
is
imperative
that
lessons
are
learned
from
the
events
of
2014
and
2018
and
that
we
ensure
that
this
never
happens
again
because
well,
there
may
be
some
questions
about
who
the
future
legal
owner
of
the
McIntosh
building
should
be.
L
M
Thank
You
presiding
officer
shortly
before
summer
recess,
I
spoken
the
members
to
be
a
mark
that
marked
one
year
since
a
Glasgow
school
about
fire.
It
was
last
year
on
June
15
that
thus
iconic
building
tragically
caught
fire
and
as
welfare
dust
was
the
second
fire
to
hit
the
building
in
just
four
years
and
one
and
a
half
years
later,
both
the
building
and
surrounding
area
are
still
feeling
the
effects
of
the
very
extensive
long-term
damage.
M
The
fact
that
this
topic
has
been
brought
back
to
debate
goes
to
show
how
important
the
glass
was
school
about
as
to
the
people
of
gospel
design
by
one
of
the
says,
his
biggest
icons,
charles
rennie
mackintosh,
between
1918,
96
and
19,
or
name
the
McIntosh
building.
Quite
wood
came
a
well-established
landmark
in
the
city.
M
It
goes
without
saying
that,
due
to
the
architects
lasting
legacy
and
influence
within
the
city,
Mackintosh
and
glass,
ball
remains
synonymous
as
ever,
and
it's
without
sentiment
that
we
must
do
all
we
can
as
parliamentarians
to
assess
plans
on
the
building's
long-term
future
and
move
forward.
With
some
of
the
recommendations
made
and
the
committee's
report
on
the
one-year
anniversary,
it
was
very
clear
that
locals
were
still
experiencing
problems
associated
with
the
fire,
the
resultant
blaze
and
gulped
several
buildings,
including
the
auto
ABC,
and
several
local
households
and
businesses.
M
Due
to
the
cordon
put
in
place,
some
businesses
had
to
deal.
Ok
was
some
reporting
losses
of
up
to
75
percent.
On
the
previous
year,
local
residents
expressed
their
frustrations
over
was
like
vehicle
access,
refuse
collection
and
insurance
claims,
but
there
had
to
be
made
and
many
felt
that
they
were
dumped
back
in
their
homes
and
just
expected
to
go
on
water
and
then
subsequently
show
of
planning
for
the
regeneration
of
the
area.
M
M
Earlier
this
month,
it
was
revealed
that
the
report
identifying
the
cause
of
the
second
fire
would
not
be
published
until
next
year,
which
was
all
partly
understandable,
given
the
complexities
of
the
investigation.
Well
be
disappointing
for
people
in
Glasgow
who
know
just
one
answers
the
Kumasi
dead
naught
concerns
with
regards
to
the
GSA's
stewardship
of
the
building,
and
it
lead
up
to
the
fire.
Then
2014.
M
This
of
course
leads
to
the
kamati
recommendation
to
establish
a
public
inquiry
with
judicial
powers
and
to
the
2014
and
2018
fires
at
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
and,
as
I
stated
in
the
last
debate.
I
support
this
coal
as
well
paired
it
which
compelled
disclosure
of
information
and
the
same
way
that
a
court
can
compel
the
release
of
documents
than
seven
civil
proceedings.
M
Lessons
supported
by
the
committee,
which
expressed
its
desire
for
the
GSA
to
be
more
transparent
about
what
was
lost
from
the
Macintosh
collection
and
the
2014
and
2018
fires,
as
well
as
the
governance
of
restorations
there.
How
there
have
of
course,
been
further
developments
undocumented,
published
its
report
in
March
that
have
shown
further
causes
for
concern.
M
There
have
been
further
resignations
with
an
executive
team
which
Falls
an
exodus
of
70
staff
from
the
school
sends
the
second
devastating
fire.
Last
year.
Concern
linger.
It
was
recently
reported
that
one
in
three
staff
at
the
school
feel
Anjali
stashed
at
work
with
one
any
feeling
had
asked
the
billet.
It's
clear
that
staff
morale
was
extremely
low,
which,
given
the
challenges
ahead,
is
not
a
good
place
for
the
skill
to
be
in
looking
at
what
happens
next
and
the
restoration
of
the
building.
The
public
will
not
be
encouraged
by
these
ports.
M
B
F
M
Would
absolutely
agree
with
what
still
McAlpin
on
on
that
point,
and
but
we
need
to
know
whatever
happens
next,
public
confidence
will
need
to
be
restored
once
the
outcome
of
the
fire.
Inquire
is
known.
The
public
well,
of
course,
also
want
or
what
was
happening
next,
whether
it,
whether
it
to
be
rebuilt
at
the
seams,
they
are
moving
to
know
another
say
all
together
in
the
area.
Questions
will
also
be
asked
whether
it's
built
as
a
working
art,
skill
or
whether
it
should
be
a
public
asset
for
the
city.
M
I,
sincerely
hope
that
we
can
find
our
way
forward
soon
and
to
finish
today,
presiding
officer.
We
must
all
redouble
our
efforts
to
ensure
that
we
can
move
forward
from
the
horrific
events
that
show
up
the
city
and
two
separate
occasions.
The
inquiry
must
provide
the
answers.
The
ordinary
Glasgow
residents
and
businesses
have
been
asking
for.
Only
then
can
we
start
to
restore
confidence
and
how
Glasgow
School
of
Art
is
operating.
That
is
the
least
that
they
deserve.
Thank
you
and.
N
N
I
do
have
some
family
links,
but
they
are
quite
distant
and
their
family
tree
I'm,
aware
of
constituents
who
are
genuinely
saddened
by
the
two
fires
and
they
want
to
the
art
school
to
be
rebuilt
there
as
the
understanding
and
the
appreciation,
however,
that
this
will
not
be
an
easy
task
to
achieve.
Like
colleagues,
I
went
to
highlight
and
also
stress
the
point
that
that
the
fire
service
investigation
report
hasn't
yet
been
published
and
any
suggestions
of
people
claiming
that
they
know
what
happened
should
be
treated
with
some
skepticism.
No.
N
On
the
report
itself,
now
the
timeline
and
Peter
7
for
me
was
actually
very
important,
just
pervaded
just
a
simple
90,
quick
to
read
background
history
of
the
of
the
last
20
years,
or
so.
Regarding
that
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art,
but
for
many
people
there
will
be
the
anger
that
that
second
fire
happened
particularly
sauce
soon
after
the
Faust.
There
also
be
the
anger
that
the
quantum
invested
by
the
many
donors
and
also
organizations
only
to
see
a
co-op
and
smoke
that
people
clearly
clearly
want.
N
The
glass
was
still
of
art
to
be
rebuilt,
but
they
also
wanted
to
be
safeguarded
for
the
future.
There
was
something
that
clearly
that
didn't
happen
after
the
first
fire.
Now.
This
is
where
the
conclusions
and
paragraphs
24
and
25
of
our
report
and
my
opinion
are
very
important.
Now,
if
we
as
a
committee,
consider
the
evidence
supplied
by
the
board,
it's
a
bit
of
bust
I'm
sure
that
the
our
conclusions
and
recommendations
would
have
been
somewhat
different.
N
I've
said
also
our
recommendations
at
the
end
of
paragraph
53
concerns
the
the
compound
meditation
we
convenor
a
spoke
of,
especially
and
our
contribution
Illinois
and
other
soft-touch
deponent
to
know
our
conclusions.
Recommendations
at
the
end
of
paragraph
53
and
also
63
are
therefore
really
crucial,
in
my
opinion,
going
forward
now.
Clearly,
our
committee
has
been
hugely
concerned
about
what
happened
at
the
School
of
Art
as
for
protecting
historic
buildings
for
the
future
as
fatal.
N
The
old
recommendation
regarding
has
started
environment
Scotland
and
also
the
updated
guidance
is,
is
very
welcome
in
that
regard,
and
I
and
I
genuinely
appreciate
the
Scottish
Government
response
to
this
particular
recommendation.
Their
final
recommendation-
the
govern
the
public
inquiry,
is
something
that
I
wholeheartedly
support.
The
colleagues
from
across
the
chamber
have
touched
upon
that
the
public
enquiry
already
well
I
I'm,
not
an
MSP
who,
who
just
calls
for
public
inquiries,
are
women,
because
they
are
expensive
this
to
take
a
lot
of
time.
N
But
on
this
particular
occasion,
I
believe
that
it's
important
that
a
public
enquiry
does
take
place
I'm
sure
after
any
type
of
public
enquiry,
I'm
sure
it
will
provide
further
clarity
on
on
past
events,
but
also
provide
really
important
recommendations
for
the
future.
That
every
member
in
this
chamber
today
will
be
able
to
point
two
buildings
in
their
constituency
region
that
they
believe
have
cultural
significance
in
their
particular
parts
of
the
country.
N
N
That
would
be
from
my
area
that
if
we
were
to
lose
one
or
more
of
our
really
important
buildings,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
anger
and
the
frustrations
that
people
have
about
the
glass
of
school
of
art
and
garnet
Hill,
but
for
me
the
one,
the
one
saving
grace
about
these
terrible
events
that
nobody
lost
the
life.
Now
many
people
have
had
the
lives
hugely
affected,
local
residents,
businesses
and
students.
N
That's
also
me
touched
upon
by
colleagues
already
today,
and
it
really
is
important
that
we
thank
these
individuals
for
the
patience
to
perseverance,
but
also
the
determination
to
progress
with
their
lives,
but
genuinely
and
I
say
this
to
every
single
member.
Thankfully,
nobody
actually
lost
their
lives
as
a
consequence
of
the
speedy
response
of
the
fire
service.
Representing
also
this
report
is
something
I
have
been
pleased
to
be
a
part
of,
but
I
would
much
rather
that
our
committee
didn't
actually
do
this
type
of
report
and
do
this
they
will
work
a
bit
much.
N
Rather,
we
actually
did
something
that
was
more
positive,
but
it
became
apparent
that,
after
two
files
and
four
years,
we
really
had
no
choice
that
we
had
to
do.
This
particular
piece
of
work
now
out
of
this
sadness
and
the
frustrations
and
the
anger
I
hope
that
this
report
actually
helps
prevent
another
fire,
either
at
the
School
of
Art
or
a
fire
in
any
other
building
of
historical
and
cultural
significance
in
Scotland
members
mentioned
where
the
fire
alarm
system
I
couldn't
agree
more
without
comments
around
this
minute.
N
The
lack
of
clarity
as
to
whether
the
system
was
on
or
off,
it's
just
ridiculous
to
be
brutally
honest.
I
also
believe
they
like
Paulie
McNeill.
There
was
a
complete
lack
of
leadership
at
the
college,
but
I
commend
their
support
and
I
genuinely
hope
that
we
as
a
parliament,
a
museum
as
a
committee,
never
need
to
undertake
this
type
of
inquiry
again,
because
I
would.
Rather,
we
did
actually
have
a
more
positive
focus
as
compared
to
looking
what
clearly
has
been
an
absolute
disaster
or
for
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
G
A
popular
institution
will
not
let
the
committee
pot,
the
committee
of
this
Parliament
half
say
of
its
insurance
bother.
Who
did
he
think
they
are?
There
has
to
be
a
message
going
out
here.
It
is
not,
except
that
what
we're
not
doing
it
for
to
give
ourselves
something
to
do
we're
doing
it
is
because
it's
a
job
to
do
it
to
hold
the
institutions
that
came
and
to
show
the
general
public
that
were
doing
what
we've
been
elected
to
do
and
not
in
itself
as
I've
been
Damon.
G
The
fire
itself,
as
Adam
Tompkins,
says
in
relation
to
the
length
of
time
that
the
building
was
ablaze
before
the
alarm
is
sounded.
I
mean,
like
me,
probably
had
hundreds
of
rumors
around
that
dreadful
rumors
that
are
in
that.
This
is
why
we
need
the
fire
report
as
soon
as
possible,
because
that
is
a
mystery
to
most
people.
If
you
watch
the
time
delay
video,
in
fact,
it
was
told
in
a
meeting
that
showed
me
this
and
I
hadn't
seen
it.
G
G
The
management
of
the
building
that
was
meant
to
protect
from
the
fire
have
another
warning
in
2014
as
extraordinary,
not
knowing
if
the
fire
alarm
system
was
on
the
night
of
the
fire
and
the
fact
that
no
one
has
been
held
accountable
for
this
to
me
is
one
of
the
most
damning
things
of
the
episode
itself,
and
for
that
a
woman
head
should
have
royal
to
Gaza
skill
of
art
that
they
could
not
tell
the
committee
whether
the
alarm
was
on
in
the
night.
I
mean
absolutely
beggars
belief.
G
That
itself
should
be
the
subject
of
a
public
inquiry,
confusion
around
the
fire
plan
and
the
fire
suppression
system,
I
mean
every
level
is
dysfunctional,
but
the
dysfunctional
nature
of
the
leadership
of
glasses
school
of
art.
As
Adam
Tompkins
spoke
at
length
about
it,
we
need
to
Norfolk
contributed
in
any
way
to
the
management
over
under
fire
itself.
We
still
have
answers
as
to
why
the
director
told
minutes
left
and
he
left
under
a
cloudless,
be
under
no
illusion
about
this.
G
He
was
if
you
read
the
reports
in
the
press,
then
believer
he
was
sacked
and
we
don't
know
why
sex
people
say
the
confidentiality.
What
was
the
war's
end,
those
confidentiality
agreements?
Why
are
we
not
allowed
to
see
that
they
use
the
public
funds
and
the
most
recent
one
1.2
million
pounds
on
the
Charles
Utley
building
as
a
temporary
dementia?
They
didn't
need,
but
you
do
not
think
that
under
any
scrutiny,
I
mean
it's
enough.
They
don't
think
that
anyone's
going
to
question
what
they're
doing
at
the
committee
I
think
it
was.
G
G
It
was
the
auto
they
couldn't
afford
to
get
her,
and
it
takes
me
on
to
what
I
think
was
an
excellent
speech
by
to
a
master
about
the
importance
of
the
altar.
In
all
of
us.
I
know
it
I
say
this
you're
in
relation
to
getting
to
the
bottom
of
what
caused
the
fire,
but
it
has
been
a
devastating
consequence
to
the
local
community
and
the
music
community
and
Glasgow.
G
We
don't
know
yet
whether
the
author
will
be
rebuilt
as
a
music
venue
and
it's
one
of
my
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
spending
a
lot
of
time
at
the
moment.
Talking
to
the
owners
and
I
put
on
record
my
thanks
to
the
officials
that
glass
was
static
angel,
not
a
leadership
and
Adam
is
right
about
this.
The
officials,
at
least,
are
doing
that
very
best
to
make
sure
that
they
ought
to
have
open
doors
to
put
forward
a
design.
It
is
affordable
and
will
be
accepted
by
planners.
G
So
I
think
it's
quite
important
to
engage
with
that.
If
we
don't,
if
you're
not
able
to
restore
the
author
in
three
or
four
years,
they
lose
that
as
a
city
asset,
even
yeah,
I
think
I'll
have
devastating
consequences
for
that
part
so
closely,
not
to
mention
the
music
community
itself,
as
others
have
said,
the
future
of
sake,
Hall
Street,
is
still
hanging
in
the
balance.
I
think
it
was
part
of
Harvey's.
G
I
said
this,
and
yes,
the
avenues
project
has
been
accessed
that,
to
some
degree
it's
changed
the
balance,
and
but
the
jury
is
still
out
as
to
where
that
are
no
I
are
because
businesses
are
still
coming
to
me.
I'm
saying
they
just
just
don't
know
if
they
can
survive.
I
hope
the
fine
fire
service
report
is
due
I,
don't
know
what
ministers
can
see
about
whether
they
can
ask
questions
about
the
team.
G
G
Clear
to
me
is
that
clear
signal
that
they're
saying
no,
we
will
take
control
of
the
Macintosh
we've
appointed
five
new
governors.
You
can
go
away
but
I,
don't
know
as
they've
learned
any
lessons
and
conclusion
presiding
officer.
There
must
be
a
public
enquiry.
Can
the
cabinet
secretary
and
closing
up
indicate
how
Wharram
here's
to
that
I
know.
You're
going
to
say
inclement
day,
you'll
need
to
read
the
fire
report.
I
fully
understand
that.
But
could
you
give
us
an
insight?
What,
as
you're
feeling
towards
it
I
mean
I,
wouldn't
argue
for
public
enquiry.
G
O
P
You
presiding
officer,
I'm
pleased
to
close
for
the
Scottish
Conservatives
today
on
the
culture,
tourism,
External,
Affairs
Committee,
to
be
on
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
fire.
These
fires,
as
we've
already
heard,
have
been
a
catastrophe
for
Scotland
and
a
loss
of
a
national
treasure.
The
school
of
art
has
had
such
a
prominent
place
in
the
hearts
of
the
local
people
in
Glasgow,
but
not
just
in
Glasgow,
across
Scotland,
across
the
United
Kingdom
across
Europe
and
across
the
world.
Many
people
look
upon
that
as
I
can
iconic
situation
and
building
and
that
has
been
lost.
P
We
were
not
convinced
that
the
ghazal
school
ever
gives
the
Kishin
priority
to
safeguarding
the
Makino's
building,
and
that
in
itself
is
an
absolute
scandal.
The
school
of
art
must
be
more
transparent
about
what
was
lost
from
the
Makino's
collection
in
the
2014
and
2018
fires,
and
there
are
serious
concerns
about
the
scrutiny
and
governance
of
that
restoration.
P
Glasgow
School
of
Art
acted
in
its
usual
manner
on
a
site
when
it
came
to
the
guardians
of
tunnelling
and
the
restoration
of
the
fire,
but,
however,
that
the
transparency
that
we've
seen
ensured
that
there
was
negative
publicity
and
that
negative
publicity,
presiding
officer
continues
to
be
the
case.
Questions
needed
to
be
asked.
People
have
got
some
real
serious
concerns
about
what
took
place,
what
happened,
and
we
still
haven't,
had
full
reports
and
I'm
sure
the
Minister
will
go
into
that
in
his
summing
up
now.
P
As
I
said,
we've
had
some
very
good
contributions
and
I
want
to
speak
through
some
of
those
today,
our
own
convenient
offline
talks
about
the
risks
and
the
mismanagement
of
the
fires,
and
also
about
the
amount
of
money
that
the
school
of
art
has
received
from
the
public
purse.
Fire
safety
risks
we're
identified
about
the
building
back
as
far
as
1990
and
the
asset
has
not
been
protected
and,
as
I
said,
before,
the
still
issues
with
reference
to
the
local
community.
P
The
minister
himself
spoke
about
the
shockwaves
that
occurred
when
the
fires
took
place
and
that
lessons
needed
to
be
learned.
Well,
that
is
dead
right.
Minister.
Lessons
do
you
need
to
be
learned
and
questions
needed
to
be
answered
because
of
the
the
value
of
the
school
of
art
for
its
students,
but
also
for
the
economic
life
within
Glasgow.
My
colleague,
Rachel
Hampton,
spoke
about
that.
P
The
work
that
was
lost
to
the
school
and
also
to
the
students
and
also
about
the
listed
buildings
and
historic
buildings
should
be
protected
and
that
there
needs
to
be
a
review
that
takes
place
to
protect
these
valuable
assets
that
has
to
come
out
of
this
process.
Polly
McNeil
talked
about
the
belief
of
things
that
are
taking
place,
the
catalog
of
errors,
this
number
of
staff
leaving
and
and
these
confidential
clauses
that
required
and
the
public
just
want
to
know
why.
Why
is
this?
P
Still,
after
all
this
time,
so
much
secrecy,
so
much
possibility
of
things
not
being
told
to
the
public.
They
deserve
to
be
given
the
right
to
hear
what
is
going
on.
Adam
Tompkins
once
again
spoke
about
the
mismanagement
of
the
fires
and
talked
about
minutes
from
board
meetings
not
been
seen
that
the
public
inquiry
that
requires
to
be
talked
that
the
I'm
eight
point,
five
million
pounds
worth
of
public
money.
P
That's
been
spent
the
the
problems
with
the
fire
alarm
system,
the
the
the
false
alarms
that
took
place
and
there's
a
Greek
catalogue
of
all
these
false
alarms.
But
there
was
none
of
that.
None
of
that,
when
the
fire
itself
to
please
my
colleague
and
the
committee
annual
ewing,
talked
about
the
insurance
policy.
Now
that's
a
vital
issue
and
and
the
the
difficulties
that
surrounded
that
now
is
that
policy
of
fit
for
a
purpose
it
would
appear.
That
was
not
the
case.
We
couldn't
get
answers
from
the
company
as
to
how
that
situation
was
anyway.
P
L
spoke
about
the
morale
of
the
staff
in
amongst
all
of
this,
we've
had
that
the
members
of
the
school
and
the
staff
of
the
school
having
to
cope
with
all
this
bad
publicity
and
questions
being
asked.
The
public
have
lost
confidence
in
the
school
and
in
the
board,
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
changes
that
that
doesn't
yesterday
mean
that
they're
confident
in
how
things
are
going
to
go
forward.
So
it's
vitally
important
that
all
of
these
questions
are
asked
presiding
officer.
P
We
feel
that
the
garage
will
school
about
should
give
serious
consideration
to
placing
the
mark
nest,
building
in
a
trust
and
that's
been
talked
about
already
today,
and
the
committee
would
also
like
to
discuss
common
establishing
a
public
inquiry
with
judicial
powers
into
the
2014
and
the
2018
fires
at
the
garage
school
school.
The
scholars
of
government,
the
the
Scottish
Fire
and
Rescue
Service
historic
environment
Scotland
should
clarify
and
review
fire
safety
procedures
in
category
II
listed
buildings.
P
Finally,
I
would
like
to
indicate
that
the
Scottish
government
review
with
regards
to
the
legal
protections
of
category
listed
buildings
is
wealth,
talked
of
and
has
been
talked
about,
being
reviewed
and
it's
vital
that
we
ensure
that
it
does
have
some
weight
behind
that
and
is
compelling
and
supporting
owners
to
install
fire
safety
measures
within
some
of
the
buildings,
presiding
officer.
This
entire
saga
has
been
damaging
to
the
cultural
heritage
of
Scotland.
P
There
are
many
more
questions
to
be
asked
of
the
board
and
the
management
of
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
and
when
they
gave
evidence
at
the
committee,
it
must
be
said
they
were
evasive
and
they
were
less
than
convincing.
In
many
of
their
answers,
I
commend
the
report
and
I
thank
all
those
who
gave
evidence
and
who
have
given
of
their
time,
but
I
am
disappointed
that
when
the
report
came
out,
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
chose
to
criticise
the
committee
for
its
findings.
P
Lessons
need
to
be
learned
from
this
sorry
saga,
and
it
must
not
happen
again.
The
only
light
of
anything
in
this
whole
process
was
that
new
lifes
were
lost,
but
that
was
potentially
through
the
system
and
circumstances
they
could
have
easily
have
had
fatalities
in
these
situations.
This
should
never
never
have
been
allowed
to
happen
and
it
should
have
been
preventable.
Thank
you.
O
D
We'd
like
to
thank
colleagues
for
their
constructive
and
thoughtful
contribution
to
this
afternoon's
to
be
it
I
think
MSP
is
Macross.
All
the
corners
of
the
chamber
have
made
very
powerful
and
thought-provoking
comments
and
I'll,
certainly
as
Minister
as
I'm
sure
the
cabinet
secretary
who's
sitting
next
to
me
will
reflect
upon
these
very
important
points.
I
think
it's
also
important
just
to
put
in
the
record
that
my
colleague
Sandra
white,
the
constituency,
member
for
the
Glasgow
School
of
Arts
I'm
sure,
would
have
been
here
today
making
a
very
forceful
contribution
on
the
subject.
D
But,
as
we
all
know,
she
cannot
be
here
with
us
today
for
very
understandable
reasons
and
our
thoughts
of
certainly
birth
or
this
week
as
Minister
for
further
education
higher
education
science.
My
first
obligation
is
naturally
to
ensure
the
highest
quality
learning
experience
for
students
in
Scotland,
so
I
am
pleased
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art,
despite
the
impact
of
these
two
dreadful
fires
that
we've
been
discussing
to
the
has
continued
to
attract
the
greatest
and
best
Macross
the
whole
of
the
world.
D
It's
really
important,
therefore,
that
we
do
use
this
opportunity
to
learn
lessons
from
these
fires
to
help
ensure
that
our
iconic
historic
buildings
are
well
protected
as
much
as
they
can
be
and
having
met
professor
Keon,
a
GSA
is
acting
cheer
only
yesterday,
I
do
know
what
I
have
to
convey
to
the
chamber.
There's
my
firm
belief
that
the
board
do
agree
very
strongly.
D
There's
a
number
of
issues
raised
and
clearly
I
am
NOT.
The
Glasgow
School
of
Art
I'm,
not
responsible
for
many
of
these
issues
and
I
can't
respond
to
them
all
some
do
have
to
put
in
some
context.
Of
course,
we
have
to
be
remain.
The
contractor
had
day-to-day
control
of
the
site,
and
the
committee
did
acknowledge
that
the
school
had
over
say
arrangements
in
place
at
the
same
time,
for
that
I
think
it
was
Patrick
Harvey
who
mentioned
not
having
access
to
the
insurance
policy.
D
Of
course,
their
understanding
for
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
insurers
did
not
give
their
consent
to
release
that,
because
the
claims
are
not
closed
and
therefore
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
for
that
so
I'm
just
giving
some
context
to
some
of
the
points,
because
we
don't
know
some
of
the
answers
at
the
stage
too
many
issues
raised
know.
The
GSC,
of
course,
is
an
autonomous
body
and
its
board
has
responsibility
for
the
strategic
decision-making
and
ensuring
operational
efficiency.
D
So
it
has
responded
to
many
of
the
criticisms,
as
we
know
that
have
been
laid
today.
It
also
has
made
clear
its
intention
and
principle
to
rebuild
the
Mackintosh
building
and
as
committed
to
review,
how
it
disseminates
and
shares
information,
as
well
as
appointing
a
dedicated
community
engagement
officer
to
support
its
efforts
to
build
trust
with
its
neighbors
I.
Very
much
recognize
the
concerns
expressed
by
members
across
the
chamber
to
deal,
but
that
need
for
trust
that
need
for
transparency
and
to
give
much
greater
focus
to
having
a
much
more
positive
relationship
with
local
community.
D
I.
Just
want
to
assure
the
chamber
that,
during
my
meeting
yesterday
with
management's,
a
large
part
of
our
conversation
was
focused
in
that
very
subject,
and
they
gave
me
many
different
assurances
and
guarantees
that
that's
going
to
be
much
much
higher
up
the
agenda
moving
forward
and
they
recognized
the
concerns
expressed
by
local
members
and
indeed,
of
course,
the
committee's
report,
as
well,
and
on
the
creation
of
trusts
or
a
trust.
The
question
of
a
trust.
D
However,
again
the
GSE
have
said
that
they
will
consider
all
options
to
the
management
of
the
building
going
forwards
and
am,
of
course,
aware
of
the
vice-presidents
Aaron
raised
in
the
press
and
public
discourse
generally
about
the
various
decisions
made
by
the
school
of
art
in
the
years
since
2014
fire
as
well.
Again,
it's
not
for
ministers
to
preempt
the
outcome
of
the
fire
investigation
at
the
forum
of
you
and
the
fire
prevention
strategies
employed
during
the
rebuild
project.
D
But,
as
I
said
before,
there
are
some
areas
we
have
to
put
things
into
context
in
terms
of
who's
in
charge
of
the
site
and
day
to
day
basis
when
the
second
fire
took
place.
There
have
also
been
some
concerns
around
the
use
of
public
funding
and
I
do
want
to
confirm
the
five
million
pounds
as
minore
was
placed
by
the
Scottish
government
the
week
of
the
2014
fire
to
support
GSA,
to
restore
the
map
building
and
to
its
former
glory.
D
We
also
had
on
that
extra
750,000
pounds
that
was
provided
through
the
Phoenix
bus
leaf
fund
to
support
upturned
and
102
fennel
your
students
to
recreate
their
work
as
well
and
has
been
over
five
million
pairs
per
favore.
The
UK
government
to
purchase
the
school
building
as
well,
but
in
terms
of
some
of
the
debates,
have
been
taking
place
that
are
in
the
funding.
It
is
true.
The
restoration
of
the
damaged
West
Wing
was
covered
by
the
art,
schools
and
students,
but
in
consultation
with
historic
environment
Scotland.
D
The
decision
was
taken
to
include
the
whole
building
in
the
restoration
watch
to
ensure
the
integrity
and
safety
of
building
weight
systems
and
to
ensure
the
whole
building
was
fit
for
purpose.
Therefore,
we
as
ministers
are
satisfied.
The
GSA
spent
the
money
provided
by
the
Scottish
Government
in
the
way
it
was
intended,
given
the
need
to
extend
the
refurbishment
beyond
those
parts
of
the
building
that
were
damaged
by
the
fire
and
covered
by
the
insurance
at
a
few
nights.
D
That
members
are
also
concerned
that
the
use
of
funds
raised
through
public
donations
that
was
mentioned
by
a
few
members
in
the
debate
as
well,
I,
should
say
I
understand
that
the
Scottish
fundraising
panel
is
considering
that
matter
at
the
moment
in
late
of
many
of
the
reports
in
the
media,
so
that
is
taking
place
to
snow
I
have
no
evidence
of
impropriety
whatsoever,
but
in
response
the
media
coverage
that
investigation
has
taken
place.
Therefore,
there's
nothing
more.
That
ministers
can
give
in
response
to
that
particular
concern
at
the
moment.
D
But
of
course,
the
committee's
recommendations
impact
much
more
widely
than
simply
in
a
glass
of
School
of
Arts,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
historic,
environment
scores
and
stature
dream.
Eight
we
met
in
relation
to
fire
mitigation
and
buildings
were
standing.
Special
architectural
historic
interest
will
be
considered
by
the
government
by
ministers
and,
in
addition,
the
agency
will
review
and
strengthens
guidance
and
the
risks
to
buildings
during
conservation
and
renovation
work
and
its
technical
guidance
and
fire
safety
management
again.
Another
feature
of
this
debate
is
that
many
of
the
fires
take
place
and
buildings
under
construction.
D
Therefore,
that's
a
very
vulnerable
periods
and
that's
why
these
issues
are
important.
The
members
are
raising
them.
That's
all
important
work
to
safeguard
our
heritage,
buildings
of
Scotland,
and
we
have
course
have
to
take
into
account
the
findings
of
the
fire
rescue
services.
Investigations
once
completes
so
I
think
given
the
time
available,
just
move
on
to
the
issue
of
the
public
inquiry.
It
is
quite
clearly
many
members
have
forcefully
made
the
case
for
a
public
enquiry.
I
will
repeat:
I
said
it
before.
D
That
is
absolutely
right
that
we
absolutely
await
the
outcome
of
those
investigations
that
are
underway
before
getting
further
consideration
to
the
committee's
recommendation
to
establish
a
public
inquiry
as
a
government,
we
have
not
ruled
out
a
public
inquiry
there
quite
clearly.
There
are
many
different
factors
to
weigh
up
prior
to
taking
any
decision,
but
no
concessions
can
even
be
contemplated,
and
so
we
know
the
detail
of
the
Scottish
Fire
and
Rescue
Services
investigations,
because
clearly,
I'll
provide
a
lot
more
information
to
enables
to
take
the
right
decisions
moving
forward.
O
Q
Thank
You
presiding
officer
as
deputy
convener
of
the
culture
tutors
immune
up
in
External,
Affairs
Committee
I,
am
pleased
to
close
this
debate,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
all
members
for
their
excellent
contributions
this
afternoon.
The
value
of
the
McIntosh
building
cannot
be
underestimated.
The
importance
of
charles
rennie
mackintosh
to
modern
architecture
and
design
as
significant
and
the
stunning
building
was
a
remarkable
fixture
in
the
heart
of
glasgow.
People
were
devastated
by
the
2014
fire
and
the
footage
from
the
scene
was
heartbreaking.
Q
Then,
at
the
point
of
resurrection
and
rebirth
to
witness
a
second
fire
reported
as
more
devastating
than
the
first
was
terrible.
The
shock
of
two
fires
and
questions
over
how
this
could
possibly
happen
is
what
prompted
the
committee
to
undertake
this
inquiry
to
examine
the
overall
management
and
custodianship
of
the
Mackintosh
building
to
consider
what
lessons
can
be
learned
and
what
we
can
do
to
better
protect
Scotland's
built
heritage,
although
not
the
focus
of
the
culture
committee's
inquiry.
We
should
not
underestimate
the
human
cost
of
these
two
fires.
Q
Our
Fire
and
Rescue
Services
responded
professionally
and
passionately
to
both
fires,
but
we
can't
underestimate
the
risk
involved
in
tackling
these
dangerous
and
complex
incidents.
The
loss
of
the
auto
ABC
as
a
venue
is
also
a
blow
to
the
cultural
life
of
Glasgow
and
as
Polly
McNeil's
members
to
be
a
leader.
She
highlighted
the
2018
fire
has
been
extremely
disruptive
for
residents
and
for
businesses
in
the
area
we
have
expressed
to
the
committee.
Their
dissatisfaction
was
the
approach
of
the
art
school.
Q
The
2008
teen
blaze
caused
substantial
disruption
to
the
Garden
Hill
community
and
many
local
residents
and
businesses
were
displaced
for
a
substantial
period
of
time
and
the
convenor
McAlpine
and
other
members
have
this
afternoon,
set
at
the
concerns
of
the
committee,
which
are
significant
enough
for
the
committee
to
call
for
a
public
inquiry
with
judicial
powers.
Following
the
conclusion
of
the
SAF
RS
report.
Q
Although
the
art-school
have
questioned
the
conclusions
of
the
committee,
the
committee
remains
convinced
there
is
a
need
for
further
analysis
of
what
happened
and
and
that
a
further
level
of
scrutiny
and
expertise
needs
to
be
applied
to
the
sequence
of
events
which
led
to
two
catastrophic
fires,
presiding
officer.
At
times
their
inquiry
was
challenging.
We
received
contradictory
evidence
and,
as
committee
members,
we
had
to
weigh
the
evidence
that
was
received
and
identify
the
areas
where
we
believed
that
our
concerns
of
Louie
and
which
tamarkan
Tosh
building
was
left
vulnerable
to
fire
there.
Q
There
are
measures
that
can
be
undertaken
to
reduce
the
rest
to
fire
and
must
effectively
limit
the
damage
of
fire
if
it
happens,
Glasgow
School
of
Art
thought
to
undertake
a
range
of
measures,
but
members
this
afternoon
have
highlighted
the
delay
in
installing
a
mess
suppression
system
prior
to
2014
fire.
Even
though
the
risk
of
fire
was
evident
on
her
recognizing
the
challenges
of
comparative
compartment,
ation
and
historic
building.
Q
Questions
can
be
raised
of
the
level
of
competence
or
a
compartment
ation
during
the
construction
phase
of
the
2018
fire,
which
appears
to
have
spread
very
quickly
throughout
the
site.
We
await
the
SSRS
report,
but
what
we
have
learned
Julian
acquire
date
does
suggest
that
more
could
have
been
done
on
the
construction
site
as
interesting
as
our
report
was
an
S
that
is
more
to
come.
Following
the
publication,
the
committee
received
a
lengthy
response
from
Glasgow
School
of
Art,
which
can
attempt
to
counteract
some
of
the
concerns
raised
by
the
committee.
Q
Also,
in
my
view,
managed
to
confirm
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
committee.
There
are
a
couple
of
points
I
will
make
in
relation
to
this.
The
2014
fire
was
found
to
be
accidental
and
following
the
2014
fire,
the
GAC
agreed
five
key
targets
in
relation
to
fire
protection
for
the
McIntosh
building,
once
it
was
returned
to
them
and
a
functioning
art
school.
Their
five
targets
included
improving
comp
compartment
ation
installing
our
fire
stopping
and
ducks
the
state-of-the-art
fire
detection
system,
our
water
mass
suppression
system
and
a
smoke
extraction
system.
Q
While
these
targets
are
all
sensible
measures
which
arguably
should
have
been
applied
to
the
building
prior
to
the
fire,
I
have
concerns,
it
do
not
recognize
the
need
for
a
cultural
change
and
their
approach
to
health
and
safety
and
Fire
prevention
in
the
building,
while
the
fire
may
be
class
does
accidental.
There
is
no
evidence
that
the
GAC
has
reflected
on
the
culture
of
the
school
or
how
to
ensure
the
safe
and
appropriate
use
of
modern
equipment
or
materials
in
the
school.
The
culture
of
the
organization
is
as
important
as
processes
and
prevention
measures.
Q
There
have
been
reports
of
tensions
between
artistic
expression
and
concerns
over
health
and
safety
between
the
purpose
of
the
art,
school
and
the
safeguarding
of
the
building,
and
it's
not
good
enough
for
the
GAC
to
dismiss
these
concerns.
The
arts
school
mates,
clear,
the
McIntosh
building
was
compliant
with
relevant
fire
safety
standards
and
I,
don't
date
that
it
was
wasn't.
Q
They
describes
the
myth,
suppression
systems
and
enhancement,
although,
as
we
knew
it
wasn't
installed
for
2014
the
focus
of
fire
safety
standards,
protection
of
life
and
I,
don't
think
they
claimed
to
be
able
to
protect
a
Grade
II
listed
building.
The
question
is
whether
enough
emphasis
and
priority
was
given
to
the
protection
of
the
building,
and
the
committee
was
not
satisfied
that
this
could
be
demonstrated
looking
forward.
The
future
of
the
McIntosh
building
is
still
to
be
decided.
Q
Although
GAC
are
so
far
resolute
and
its
intention
to
D
build,
we
should
all
recognize
the
uniqueness
of
McIntosh
building.
It
is
owned
by
Glasgow
art
school,
but
it
belongs
to
the
country.
The
impact
of
both
viruses
again
raise
questions
over
the
appropriateness
of
GC
having
responsibility
for
the
building.
Are
they
the
best
custodians
given
their
other
responsibilities
and
running
an
internationally
competitive
art
school.
Q
You
well
other
universities
and
colleges
only
less
than
historic
buildings.
Glasgow
is
alone
and
having
such
a
unique
and
valuable
building
as
part
of
their
working
estate.
It
is
a
complex
building
and,
while
I
don't
question
the
value
to
the
few
students
you
get
to
work
in
there,
there
are
questions
over
whether
the
use
of
the
building
is
appropriate.
The
GSC
defend
the
dual
use
of
the
school,
but
questions
the
amount
of
focus
the
school
receives
as
part
of
its
activities.
Q
The
school
generates
strong
passions
as
architect,
Malcolm
Fraser
committed
in
his
evidence
to
the
committee.
They
were
not
looking
after
the
jewel
at
the
heart
of
the
estate,
that
was
the
primary
failure
of
Glasgow
art,
school
and
many
institutions
do
the
same.
They
fail
to
care
for
the
jewel
at
their
heart.
The
idea
that
the
mark
be
placed
in
a
trust
is
not
a
new
suggestion,
nor
would
it
necessarily
mean
that
students
could
no
longer
access
the
building.
Q
Furthermore,
it
would
alleviate
some
of
the
burden
placed
on
the
GSA
and
could
better
prioritize
the
building
safety.
The
committee
therefore
suggests
that
the
GSE
gives
serious
consideration
to
placing
any
future
McIntosh
building
into
a
trust.
Perhaps
once
a
new
director
of
the
art
school
has
been
appointed,
the
committee
made
a
number
of
recommendations
about
the
role
of
Historic,
Scotland
and
I.
Welcome
the
response
we've
had
for
the
cabinet
secretary
for
culture
and
to
these
recommendations.
I
do
welcome
and
a
willingness
to
review
this
and
to
consider
this
and
other
points
raised
by
the
committee.
Q
Relation
to
history,
environment,
Scotland
did
I
hope.
The
cabinet
safety
for
culture
will
soon
be
in
a
position
to
update
the
committee
on
any
progress.
So
I
welcome
the
opportunities
afternoon
for
us
all
to
debate
the
committee's
report
on
the
glass
with
school
fire
at
fires,
and
it's
clear
from
the
discussion
the
chamber
that
they
remain
many
unanswered
questions
which
deserve
further
scrutiny,
and
the
committee
will
continue
to
pay
attention
to
this
project
as
it
goes
forward.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
concludes
our
debate
on
the
Glasgow
School
of
Art
fire.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item
of
business
is
consideration
of
business
motion
193
in
the
name
of
Grimm,
D
and
behalf
the
Bureau
is
setting
out
a
business
program
and
collide
:
Grimm
day
to
move
this
motion
move
saying
officer.
Thank
you
very
much.
No
member
has
asked
to
speak
on
the
motion.
The
question
therefore,
is
the
motion
1
960,
to
be
agreed.
Are
we
all
agreed?
Thank
you
very
much.
O
O
You
very
much
and
no
one
has
asked
to
speak
on
those
motions.
Therefore,
the
question
is
that
motions
1,
9,
6,
2
5
and
1
9
6
2
0
be
agreed.
Are
we
all
agreed?
We
are
agreed.
The
next
item
is
consideration
of
for
parliamentary
devotions
could
I
again
call
on
Grimm
D
on
behalf
the
bureau
to
move
motions,
1
961
on
approval
of
an
SSI
one,
nine
six,
two
two
on
committee
meeting
times
196
two
three
and
one
nine
six,
two
four
on
designation
of
a
leader
committee
moves.
O
You
very
much
we
turn
now
to
decision
time.
The
first
question
is
that
motion
one
955
three
in
the
name
of
june
McAlpine
on
the
gothcorp
school
of
art
fire
be
agreed.
Are
we
all
agreed?
We
are
all
agreed
and
I
propose
to
ask
a
single
question
on
the
for
priority
promotions.
Does
anyone
object?
Nope,
that's
good!
The
question
is
the
motion
is
one
nine
six,
two
one
one,
nine
six,
two,
two
one,
nine
six,
two
three
and
one
nine
six,
two
four
in
the
name
of
priam
DB
agreed,
are
L
agreed.
We
are
agreed.