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From YouTube: First Minister's Questions - 29 October 2020
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First Minister's Questions
A
B
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
I
will
shortly
confirm
the
different
levels
of
protection
to
be
applied
across
scotland
from
monday
and
briefly
explain
some
of
the
reasoning
behind
these
decisions.
A
detailed
analysis
paper
is
also
being
published,
which
sets
out
our
assessment
of
each
of
the
five
factors
and
our
overall
judgment
for
each
local
authority
area.
Firstly,
I'll
give
an
update
on
today's
statistics.
The
total
number
of
positive
cases
reported
yesterday
was
1128.
B
that
is
7.1
percent
of
people
newly
and
takes
the
total
number
of
cases
to
sixty
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
thirty
one.
Four
hundred
and
sixteen
of
the
new
cases
were
in
greater
glasgow
and
clyde.
Two
hundred
and
sixty
six
in
lanarkshire
121
in
ayrshire
and
aaron
and
117
in
lothian.
The
remaining
cases
were
spread
across
nine
other
health
board
areas.
Only
shetland
had
no
new
cases
reported.
B
I
can
also
confirm
that
1
152
people
are
in
hospital.
That
is
an
increase
of
35
from
yesterday.
86
people
are
in
intensive
care
that
is
won
more
than
yesterday,
and
I
deeply
regret
to
say
that
in
the
past
24
hours
a
further
37
deaths
have
been
registered
of
patients
who
first
tested
positive
over
the
previous
28
days.
That
means
the
total
number
of
deaths
under
that
measurement
is
now
2791
and
again
I
want
to
send
my
deepest
condolences
to
all
those
who
have
lost
a
loved
one
to
this
illness.
B
These
figures
show
that
we
are
still
seeing
high
numbers
of
new
cases,
increasing
hospital
and
icu
admissions
and,
sadly,
a
rising
number
of
deaths.
These
issues
are
not
unique
to
scotland.
We
have,
of
course,
seen
a
resurgence
in
the
virus
in
all
parts
of
the
uk
across
europe
and
right
around
the
world
just
last
night,
for
example,
both
france
and
germany
reimposed
nationwide
lockdowns.
B
In
scotland
we
acted
early
with
some
difficult
but
necessary
measures,
and
we
hope
that
this
will
have
the
effect
of
slowing
the
spread
and
preventing
a
further
deterioration
in
our
position,
and
while
we
can't
be
certain
and
certainly
have
no
grounds
for
complacency,
we
do
see
some
encouraging
signs
that
this
might
be
the
case.
Last
week
I
indicated
that
we
were
beginning
to
see
a
significant
slowing
in
the
rate
at
which
new
cases
are
increasing,
and
I
can
confirm
that
this
has
continued
cases
in
the
past
week.
Up
to
today
have
increased
by
four
percent.
B
All
of
this
suggests
that
the
measures
introduced
five
weeks
ago
to
curb
household
meetings
are
having
an
effect
and
the
additional
measures
introduced
three
weeks
ago
to
significantly
restrict
hospitality,
may
also
be
starting
to
have
an
impact.
All
of
that,
of
course,
is
down
to
the
sacrifices
of
people
the
length
and
breadth
of
the
country,
but
we
must
be
under
no
illusions.
B
The
other
harms
that
the
pandemic
is
causing
the
assessment
of
what
level
of
protection
is
right
for
each
local
authority
is
broadly
based
on
five
key
factors:
the
number
of
positive
cases
per
hundred
thousand
people
over
the
most
recent
week.
The
percentage
of
positive
tests
are
forecast
for
new
cases
in
the
weeks
ahead
and
the
capacity
both
of
local
hospitals
and
intensive
care
facilities.
B
B
However,
when
we
begin
to
see
community
transmission
in
an
area
and
when
the
spread
of
the
virus
can't
be
linked
to
specific
outbreaks,
we
need
to
apply
the
brakes,
and
that
is
essentially
what
levels
two
and
three
are
designed
to
do.
Our
aim
is
that
these
restrictions,
especially
in
level
three,
are
in
place
for
as
short
a
time
as
possible.
B
Let
me
turn
out
to
the
levels
that
will
apply
across
the
country
from
monday
at
6
00
a.m,
and
following
this
initial
assessment,
let
me
also
point
out
that
we
will
review
on
a
weekly
basis
whether
any
changes
are
required.
We
aim
to
confirm
our
decisions
to
parliament
on
a
tuesday
with
the
changes
coming
into
force
on
the
following
friday,
barring
the
need
for
any
changes
before
then.
Our
next
update
will
therefore
be
tuesday,
the
10th
of
november,
with
any
changes
coming
into
effect
on
the
13th
of
november.
B
Before
turning
today's
decision,
let
me
remind
everyone
that
you
can
see
on
the
scottish
government
website
the
reasoning
behind
these
decisions.
What
level
your
own
area
is
in
and
what
restrictions
that
entails
for
the
area
you
live
in,
given
the
fragile
situation
we
face,
and
the
fact
that
we
are
migrating
to
this
new
system
for
the
first
time
we
are
taking
a
deliberately
cautious
approach
today.
B
At
present,
we
do
not
judge
it
safe
or
prudent
to
place
any
part
of
the
country
into
the
baseline
level
zero.
However,
if
we
see
continued
progress,
I
hope
that
might
change.
I
hope
that
will
change
in
the
weeks
ahead.
However,
I
can
confirm
that
highland
murray,
the
western
isles,
orkney
and
shetland
have
all
been
assessed
as
level
one
in
time,
hopefully
a
short
time.
We
expect
that
level
one
to
allow
people
to
meet
in
each
other's
homes
in
groups
of
up
to
six
people
from
a
maximum
of
two
households.
B
However,
at
present
on
clear
public
health
advice,
the
restriction
on
household
meetings
will
continue
to
apply
in
all
parts
of
the
country.
For
now,
I'm
conscious
that
in
our
more
rural
and
island
communities
that
restriction
can
cause
particular
difficulty,
so
we
will
review
the
necessity
of
it
in
level
one
areas
ahead
of
the
10th
november
review
if
the
virus
remains
controlled
in
these
areas,
I
am
hopeful
that
we
will
be
able
to
lift
it.
Then
let
me
now
address
those
areas
that
have
been
assessed
as
level
2..
B
In
both
cases.
One
of
the
key
factors
in
reaching
our
decision
was
the
interconnection
with
neighbouring
areas,
particularly
with
health
services
in
lothian
and
greater
glasgow
and
clyde.
We
have
also
considered
the
impact
of
travel
from
nearby
areas
with
higher
prevalence
of
covet.
As
a
result,
we
have
decided
to
take
a
cautious
approach
by
applying
level
two
to
both
areas.
We
will,
however,
consider
this
decision
very
carefully
at
the
next
review
point.
B
The
interconnection
with
neighbouring
areas
and
services
has
also
heavily
influenced
our
decision
on
inverclyde.
I
understand
why
it
would
wish
to
be
assessed
as
level
two.
However,
we
do
not
consider
it
safe
to
take
that
decision
yet,
given
the
very
close
connections
between
inverclyde
and
other
parts
of
west
central
scotland,
with
high
transmission
rates,
high
positivity
levels
and
significant
pressure
already
on
hospital
and
icu
capacity.
B
Inverclyde
has
therefore
been
assessed
as
level
three,
along
with
eastern
western
bartonshire
renfrewshire
and
east
renfrewshire
and
the
city
of
glasgow,
south
ayrshire,
east
airship
and
north
ayrshire,
stirling,
falkirk
and
clark
maninshire,
the
city
of
edinburgh,
midlothian,
west
lothian
and
east
lothian.
We
know
that
these
areas
in
level
three
have
been
under
restrictions
now
for
a
number
of
weeks,
particularly
on
household
interaction
based
on
the
data
we
are
considering.
If
progress
and
suppressing
the
virus
is
maintained,
we
would
hope
that
at
a
very
early
review
point
we
will
be
able
to
consider
moving
some
areas.
B
B
Our
approach
to
managing
covert
will
work
best
when
there
is
real
partnership
working
between
neighbouring
authorities
and
health
boards
on
how
to
drive
down
levels
of
infection,
share
resources
and
communicate
with
and
support
communities.
I
indicated
earlier
this
week
that
we
had
cause
for
concern
in
relation
to
dundee
and
that
we
expected
it
to
move
into
level.
Three
dundee
is
currently
seeing
per
week
around
185
new
cases
per
100
000
of
the
population
that
is
higher
than
for
several
of
the
areas
already
in
the
equivalent
of
level
three.
B
We
have
therefore
decided
that
a
level
three
assessment
for
dundee
is
the
correct
one,
and
so
from
monday,
at
six
am
dundee
will
move
into
level.
Three
support
is
available
for
businesses,
which
will
be
required
to
close,
and
all
businesses
across
scotland
will
have
access
to
the
replacement
job
support
scheme
from
the
uk
government,
which
begins
on
monday.
B
I
would
encourage
all
businesses
in
dundee
who
are
impacted
by
closure
and
those
in
the
supply
chain
to
engage
with
the
city
council
and
also
to
look
at
the
find
business
support,
dot,
gov
dot
scot
website
to
find
out
what
help
is
available.
In
fact,
businesses
across
the
country
can
access
that
resource.
B
In
making
this
decision
we
considered
very
carefully
whether
perth
and
kenrose
and
angus
should
also
be
placed
in
level
three
given
travel
patterns
and
interdependencies
between
these
three
authorities.
Our
decision
not
to
do
so
at
this
stage
is
based
on
the
view
of
the
three
authorities,
nhst
side
and
the
police.
The
closed
partnership
working
can
mitigate
against
cross-border
transmission.
People
living
in
angus
and
perth
and
kin
rose
have
a
big
part
to
play,
though
it
will
be
essential
for
them
to
adhere
strictly
to
the
guidance
and
the
restrictions,
especially
on
travel.
B
B
For
these
reasons,
and
given
the
severity
of
level
4
restrictions,
we
have
decided
that
north
and
south
lanarkshire
should
remain
in
level
3
at
present.
However,
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
this
has
been
a
borderline
decision
and
it
is
one
that
we
require
to
keep
under
review,
not
just
weekly,
but
on
a
daily
basis.
I
would
appeal,
therefore,
to
people
across
lanarkshire
to
continue
to
play
your
part.
B
Second
officer,
let
me
turn
finally
to
travel,
and
here
I
need
to
be
very
blunt.
I
know
travel
restrictions
are
unwelcome
and
can
be
controversial,
but
they
are
an
absolutely
essential
part
of
any
regional
approach
to
tackling
covet.
They
are,
unfortunately,
a
price
we
pay
for
more
targeted
restrictions.
B
If
people
don't
abide
by
the
travel
advice,
the
virus
will
spread
from
high
to
lower
prevalence
areas
and
a
differentiated
approach
will
become
unsustainable.
In
these
circumstances,
we
would
have
to
return
to
national
restrictions.
So
let
me
be
clear
what
we
are
asking
of
people
at
this
stage.
If
you
live
in
a
level
3
council
area
or
in
future
a
level
4
area,
please
do
not
travel
outside
the
council
area.
B
You
live
in
unless
you
require
to
do
so
for
essential
reasons,
and
if
you
live
in
a
level
one
or
two
local
authority
area,
you
must
not
travel
into
a
level
three
or
level
four
area,
except
for
essential
purposes.
By
essential
purposes.
We
mean
things
like
work.
If
you
cannot
work
from
home
education,
local
outdoor
exercise,
health
care
or
caring
responsibilities
and
essential
shopping,
where
that
is
not
possible
locally
in
recent
weeks,
that
guidance
is
applied
to
health
board
areas,
but
from
monday
it
will
apply
at
local
authority
level.
B
B
If
we
all
dig
in
and
stick
with
it,
this
proportionate
approach
has
a
real
chance
of
being
sustainable
and
keeping
covert
under
control
over
the
winter.
If
we
succeed,
we
open
the
prospect
in
all
parts
of
the
country
or
being
able
to
lead
slightly
less
restricted
lives
in
the
future,
hopefully
in
the
reasonably
near
future.
However,
the
other
side
of
this
is
equally
true,
and
I
must
be
open
with
parliament
and
with
the
country
about
it.
B
Obviously,
but
to
achieve
that,
we
must
all
play
our
part.
The
government
must
and
will
lead,
but
all
of
us
have
individual
agency
and
all
of
us
have
individual
responsibility.
None
of
us
can
guarantee.
We
will
not
get
or
transmit
the
virus,
but
we
can
all
make
choices
that
keep
ourselves
our
loved
ones
and
our
communities
safer.
So
please
make
sure
you
know
the
restrictions
in
your
local
area.
B
From
monday
a
postcode
checker
will
help
you
do
that
and
please
stick
to
these
restrictions
wherever
you
live
for
now,
do
not
visit
other
people's
houses
and
don't
travel
to
or
from
level
three
areas,
and
please
remember
to
wear
face
coverings,
avoid
places
with
crowds
of
people
clean.
Your
hands
and
surfaces
keep
two
meters
distance
from
people
in
other
households
and
self-isolate
and
get
tested
immediately.
If
you
have
covert
symptoms,
if
we
do
these
things,
we
have
a
chance
of
keeping
the
virus
under
control
in
our
neighborhoods
and
our
communities.
B
We
can
reduce
overall
case
levels
in
our
own
areas
and
help
to
do
so
across
the
country,
and
then
we
can
all
play
a
part
in
moving
all
parts
of
the
country
to
lower
levels
of
restrictions
and,
above
all,
presiding
officer.
We
can
protect
each
other,
protect
our
national
health
service
and
save
lives.
A
C
C
B
President
officer,
can
I
begin
by
recognising
again
the
toll
covert
has
taken
on
people
in
care
homes.
The
fact
that
that
is
not
unique
to
scotland
does
not
in
any
way
detract
from
the
distress
and
the
grief
that
has
been
caused,
and
I
want
to
say
again
today
that
I
am
deeply
sorry
for
that.
The
position
on
testing
it
changed
in
line
with
evidence
and
advice.
That
was
true
in
scotland.
It
was
true
in
other
parts
of
the
uk,
but
the
absence
of
testing
did
not
equate
to
an
absence
of
action.
B
We
continue
to
apply
these
lessons
and
we
continue
to
take
with
the
utmost
seriousness,
the
duty
on
government
to
do
everything
possible
to
protect
the
general
population,
and
particularly
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
and
yesterday-
and
I
you
know
it's
for
other
people
to
judge
I-
I
don't
know
that
people
watching
all
of
the
hour
or
more,
I
spent
answering
questions
on
this
yesterday,
would
have
concluded
that
I
tried
to
hide
any
aspect
of
this.
This
is
a
difficult
situation
for
families
and
for
the
public.
B
Generally,
I
quoted
the
conclusion
of
the
report,
but
this
report
has
hard
messages
for
us.
It
tells
us
some
of
what
we
think
are
factors
in
driving
outbreaks
and
care
homes,
but
there
is
work
still
to
do
to
understand
this
and
of
course
we
have
the
information
now
that
the
report
gives
us,
because
we
commissioned
this
report.
Similar
things
have
happened
in
other
countries
where
we
still
don't
have
this
level
of
information.
C
I
thank
the
first
minister
for
the
answer,
but
it
didn't
address
the
specific
question
that
I
put
to
her,
which
was
what
was
the
increased
risk
when
somebody
tested
positive
for
covert
before
being
transferred
to
a
care
home.
The
report
said
that
the
best
estimate
was
a
45
increase
in
risk
of
an
outbreak,
but
because
of
the
wide
variation
I
quoted,
the
risk
could
have
been
much
higher.
In
fact,
the
report
says
it
could
have
been
as
high
as
374
percent
a
374
percent
increase
in
risk
of
seeing
covert
rip
through
a
care
home.
C
This
is
exactly
why
we
need
the
public
inquiry
to
start
now,
because
there
is
so
much
we
still
don't
know.
What
we
do
know
is
that
only
13
and
a
half
percent
of
care
homes
who
were
never
sent
any
patients
ended
up
having
an
outbreak
that
jumped
to
38
when
a
home
had
one
or
more
patients
put
into
their
care.
C
B
This
was
a
report
that
was
done
independently
of
government
public
health.
Scotland
published
the
report,
but
the
report
was
contributed
to
by
academics,
who
are
entirely
independent.
They
conducted
a
briefing
with
journalists
yesterday
to
explain
in
more
detail
their
methodology
and
their
findings.
I
don't
think
this
report
is
the
last
word
on
these
issues.
I
I
have
never
thought
that
there
is
much
more
work
to
be
done
to
understand
the
issues
that
were
factors
in
care
home
outbreaks
at
this
report
tells
us
some
of
that,
but
it
does
not
tell
us
all
of
that.
B
But
what
the
report
did
say,
of
course,
is,
and
I'm
quoting
from
page
41
of
it
is
the
risk
of
an
outbreak
associated
with
care
home
size
is
much
larger
than
any
plausible
risk
from
a
hospital
at
discharge.
Now
what
that
says
is
that,
while
we
must
continue
to
consider
the
issues
around
discharges,
we
also
have
to
look
at
the
other
factors
in
the
health
secretary.
We'll
talk
more
about
this
week
at
this
next
week
in
parliament
when
she
sets
out
at
winter
planning
for
social
care,
and
I
take
all
of
these
issues
extremely
seriously.
B
B
I
think
it
is
right
that
we
enable
everybody
who
has
a
part
to
play
to
focus
on
getting
the
country
through
that,
and
I
was
struck
by
comments
this
morning
from
professor
june
andrews,
who
will
be
familiar
to
many
people
across
this
chamber
when
she
was
asked
about
the
timing
of
a
public
inquiry,
and
she
said
it's
far
too
soon.
Now,
we've
got
far
too
many
things
to
do
to
keep
the
system
going
to
keep
people.
Well,
there
is
no
doubt
there
will
be
a
public
inquiry,
but
at
the
moment
we
will
continue.
B
B
There
will
be
a
full
public
inquiry
when
the
time
for
that
is
right
when
we
have
got
the
country
through
at
this
next
stage
of
covert,
but
as
we
go
as
we
have
done
all
along,
we
will
continue
to
learn
and
apply
lessons
in
care
homes
and
that's
the
responsibility.
All
of
us
in
government
take
very
seriously.
C
It
was
only
released
to
the
media
15
minutes
before
questions
and
with
a
pressure.
This
issue
that
didn't
even
bother
to
mention
known,
coveted,
positive
patients
being
sent
to
care
homes
in
the
first
place
and
the
very
last
people
to
get
this
report
of
all
to
get
sight
of
it
were
the
families
and
loved
ones
of
those
who
died.
C
B
But
that
was
a
report,
as
I
understand
it,
based
on
statistical
modelling,
not
on
actual
data,
so
that
is
important.
The
the
timing
of
it
was
down
to
public
health,
scotland
and
they
consulted
with
the
statistics
authority.
Given
the
complexity
of
bringing
the
different
data
sets
together.
As
with
all
official
statistics,
the
date
of
publication
was
pre-announced,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
the
timing
of
I
answer,
questions
every
single
day.
At
the
moment
there
is
no
shortage
of
opportunities
to
scrutinize
me
rightly
and
properly.
B
B
We
announced
last
week
plans
to
extend
that
into
designated
visitors
and
other
routine
visitors
to
care
homes.
We
are
learning
and
applying
that
learning
on
an
ongoing
basis,
and
I
there
are
no
words.
I
will
ever
find
to
convey
the
depth
of
my
regret
at
what
happened
in
care
homes,
and
I
take
possibly
more
seriously
than
I
take
anything
else,
including
any
other
aspect
of
our
handling
of
this
pandemic.
The
need
to
ensure
that
we
learn
lessons
where
we
got
things
wrong,
that
we
don't
shy
away
from
that.
C
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
Yesterday's
report
was
stuffed
full
of
numbers
and
statistics,
but
fundamentally
this
isn't
about
stats.
It's
about
people,
the
people
who
lost
their
lives
and
the
people
that
they
left
behind
people
like
sandra
o'neill,
who
he
said
yesterday
of
her
lost
mum.
The
thought
that
she
was
on
her
own
with
a
sense
of
drowning
is
the
last
thing
I
think
about
at
night,
and
it's
the
first
thing
I
think
about
in
the
morning
or
alan
whiteman,
who
lost
his
88
year
old
mum
in
may.
C
He
said
yesterday
that
a
public
inquiry
should
have
started
in
june
and
that
this
report
doesn't
provide
the
answers
that
he
needs
for
six
months.
Grieving
families
like
the
o'neills
like
the
white
man's,
have
had
no
answers
and
they're
not
satisfied
with
this
report,
and
nor
are
we
so
will
the
first
minister
give
these
families
the
respect
they
deserve
and
order
public
health
scotland
to
go
back
and
fill
in
the
blanks.
B
I
said
yesterday
we
would
be
taking
forward
further
work
in
asking
public
health
scotland
to
do
further
work.
I'm
sure
public
health,
scotland,
but
also
the
independent
academics
who
contributed
to
this
report,
would
be
willing
to
do
what
they
did
with
journalists
yesterday
and
meet
with
any
members
across
the
chamber
to
explain
their
methodology,
how
this
report
was
conducted
and
the
limitations
of
the
methodology
which
nobody
has
ever
shied
away
from.
We
will
continue
to
do
whatever
work
is
required
and
I,
on
grieving
families.
B
I
don't
expect
any
grieving
family
to
think
that
they
have
all
of
the
answers
to
the
questions
they
have
in
this
report.
I
want
to
do
everything
we
can
to
provide
those
answers,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
there
is
full
learning
and
accountability
in
due
course
and
these
grieving
families
and
what
happened
with
care
homes
is
probably
the
first
thing
I
think
about
when
I
wake
up
in
the
morning,
and
the
last
thing
I
think
about
before
I
go
to
sleep.
That
is
no
comfort
to
anybody
who
has
lost
a
loved
one.
B
D
D
B
I
I
very
much
hope
I
can't
guarantee
it,
and
you
heard
what
I
said
earlier
on,
but
I
very
much
hope
that
we
can
avoid
any
part
of
the
country,
let
alone
the
whole
country
going
into
level
four,
and
that,
I
think,
is
a
responsibility
not
just
for
government,
but
for
all
of
us
I
said,
and
I
I'll
repeat,
we
have
deliberately
taken
a
cautious
approach
right
now.
Firstly,
because
the
situation
here
at
home
and
across
the
uk
and
europe
is
very
fragile
and
we
have
to
recognize
that.
B
B
So
there
are
some
areas
I
cited
the
borders
and
argyll
and
butte
who
are
in
level
one
who
could
and
did
make
a
case
that
they
should
go
straight
into
level
zero,
and
that
is
something
we
will
consider
as
we
go
forward,
and
likewise
there
are
parts
of
the
country
inverclyde
that
made
a
case
that
they
should
go
into
level
two.
But
the
reasons
why
that
is
not
the
case
have
been
set.
I
would
encourage
members
to
read
the
paper
that
we
have
published,
which
goes
into
more
detail
about
this
decision.
Making.
B
All
of
this
has
an
impact
on
jobs,
public
services
and
livelihoods,
and
I
am
acutely
aware
of
that.
But
what
will
have
a
bigger
impact
on
jobs
and
services
and
livelihoods
is
if
we
don't
control
this
virus.
We
only
have
to
look
across
europe
right
now
at
germany,
at
france
last
night,
going
into
full
nationwide
lockdowns
again.
That
is
what
we
want
to
avoid,
and
this
is
our
best
chance
of
doing
that.
We
have
set
out
support
that
will
be
available
for
businesses
they
will.
B
That
will
apply
to
businesses
that
are
either
closed
or
have
restricted
trading,
regardless
of
what
level
they
are
in,
and
information
is
available
on
the
website
I
mentioned
earlier
on,
the
replacement
job
support
scheme
comes
into
place
next
week
as
well
run
by
the
uk
government.
I-
and
I
think
richard
leonard
and
I
are
in
agreement
about
this-
that
should
go
further,
but
it
is
there
for
businesses
to
take
account
of.
D
Can
I
thank
the
first
minister
for
that
answer
and
let
me
also
turn
to
the
serious
question
of
what
has
happened
in
our
care
homes.
Yesterday's
public
health
scotland
report
shows
that
123
patients
were
discharged
from
hospital
after
testing
positive
over
three
hundred
patients
who
were
discharged
had
been
in
hospital
for
covid19
and
thousands
of
elderly
patients
were
transferred
into
care
homes
without
being
tested
at
all.
First
minister
care
homes
that
took
discharges
were
three
times
more
likely
to
have
outbreaks
than
those
which
did
not.
B
That
is
not
what
I'm
saying
and
I'll
come
on
to
that
in
a
second
in
a
moment.
Can
I
just,
however,
correct
an
advertising
error
in
my
last
answer
to
richard
leonard,
where
I
said
that
borders
and
agile
and
butte
were
in
level
one
and
argued
to
go
to
level
zero,
of
course
borders
and
are
gail
and
butter
and
level
two
and
made
a
case.
I
could
have
made
a
case
to
go
to
level
one.
My
apologies
for
that
mistake
on
care
homes.
B
I
am
I'm
not
saying
the
report
doesn't
say
there
is
no
link.
The
report
says
that
taking
account
of
all
of
the
factors
at
hospital
discharge
was
not
a
statistically
significant
factor
compared
to,
for
example,
the
size
of
a
care
home.
That
does
not
mean-
and
this
is
a
point
I
labored
to
meet
yesterday
and
will
always
make
there
were
serious
outbreaks
in
care.
B
Homes
at
discharges
did
not
have
no
effect
on
that,
and
but
there
are
other
factors
that
we
have
to
consider
as
well
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
fact
that
there
was
big
outbreaks
that
led
to
people
losing
their
lives
is
something
that
I
will
never
be
comfortable
with,
not
just
this
first
minister,
but
I
will
never
be
comfortable
with
for
probably
the
rest
of
my
life.
I
want
to
understand
this
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
take
the
action
that
is
necessary
to
protect
older
people
and
care
homes.
B
Our
position
on
testing
changed,
as
I
said,
in
line
with
advice
and
evidence,
and
rightly
so,
but
a
key
point
here,
which
remains
important
now,
even
when
we
have
a
much
wider
approach
to
testing
in
care
homes.
Is
that
the
absence
of
testing,
even
the
presence
of
testing,
should
not
allow
us
to
ignore
the
other
important
things
that
have
to
be
done.
Infection
prevention
and
control
and
care
homes
is
vital.
B
There
was
always
the
emphasis
on
that
and
now
testing
of
course
supplements
the
protection
that
is
there
and
I
and
I
I
really
do
sincerely
apologize
if
anybody
listening
to
me
at
any
time
thinks
in
any
way
I
am
trying
to
minimize
what
happened
in
care
homes.
If
that's
an
impression,
I
give
a
presenting
officer.
I
readily
say
sorry
for
that,
because
that
is
not
the
impression
I
am
trying
to
give.
A
D
D
B
B
You
know
with
hindsight,
and
I
of
all
the
things
I
wish
I
had
right
now.
I
wish
I'd
had
then
the
knowledge
that
I
do
now.
That
is
not
to
say
that
we
will
not
have
just
got
things
wrong.
Of
course
we
will,
but
some
of
what
people
say
we
should
have
done.
Then
I'm
afraid
is
applying
hindsight
that
we
didn't
have
then,
so
we
will
continue
to
take
the
steps
that
we
can.
B
We
will
continue
to
be
open
and
upfront
when
we
get
things
wrong
and
we
will
continue
to
apply
that
learning
to
keep
our
care
home
safe.
We
are
going
into,
we
are
in,
and
hopefully
in
scotland
not
going
deeper
into,
but
we
may
be
going
deeper
into
a
second
wave.
There
is
an
intense
focus,
not
just
on
the
part
of
government
but
partners
across
the
country
to
make
sure
that
care
homes
are
as
safe
as
they
can
be,
and
we
will
continue
to
keep
a
hundred
percent
focused
on
that
each
and
every
day.
E
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
Obviously,
nobody
will
be
happy
about
today's
announcement
about
ongoing
restrictions,
but
we
can
all
see
that
this
is
happening
at
a
time
when
other
european
countries
are
moving
more
in
the
direction
of
full
lockdown
in
the
face
of
a
second
wave
and
as
we're
all
facing
up
to
the
dawning
realization
that
these
restrictions
or
something
like
them
will
probably
be
with
us
for
a
long
time
to
come.
E
It's
happening
as
well.
At
the
same
time
as
boris
johnson's
government
is
giving
us
all
a
halloween
nightmare
with
the
ending
of
furlough
and
it's
inadequate
replacement,
meaning
that
not
only
large
numbers
of
jobs
will
be
lost,
but
many
people
who
keep
their
jobs
will
see
significant
reductions
in
their
incomes.
Even
people
on
minimum
wage
will
lose
up
to
a
third
of
their
income,
and
ppe,
astonishingly,
will
be
taxed
at
20,
pushing
up
the
cost
for
frontline
businesses
and
workers.
E
Even
in
this
difficult
context,
I
think
we
all
have
a
responsibility
to
urge
people
throughout
scotland
to
take
these
restrictions
seriously
to
comply
with
them
to
keep
one
another
safe.
But
the
success
of
that
new
framework
will
depend
to
a
large
extent
on
enforcement
at
a
local
level,
and
that
must
mean
the
resources
to
do
that.
Work.
E
One
scottish
local
authority
leader
today
on
the
radio
said
that
the
scottish
government
is
saying
that,
whether
you're
in
level
three
or
four
there's
no
additional
funding,
is
that
accurate,
first
minister,
and
will
there
be
additional
funding
for
those
local
authorities
that
have
to
ensure
the
enforcement
action
at
a
local
level
to
make
this
new
framework
operate
successfully?
First,
minister,.
B
I
I'm
trying
to
address
that
question.
Can
I
say
presiding
officer,
and
I
hope
nobody
takes
us
the
wrong
way.
I
misheard
part
of
patrick
harvey's
question,
because
I
was
distracted
by
shouting
from
the
benches
over
here
and
I'm
trying
to
address
all
of
these
questions
in
in
full,
because
I
think
all
of
them
deserve
answers.
On
the
question
of
support.
I
let
me
try
and
give
a
balanced
answer
here.
B
I
think
the
support
that
has
been
provided
by
the
uk
government
is
very
important
and
very
welcome,
and
I
don't
think
it
goes
far
enough
in
terms
of
the
move
from
furlough
into
the
job
support
scheme.
That
is
a
a
viewpoint
I've
expressed
previously,
and
we
will
continue
to
argue
that
with
the
uk
government,
because
the
the
impact
of
that
deficiency
will
be
felt
by
workers
across
the
country
in
the
form
of
reduced
pay
packets,
and
that
is
not
anything
anybody
wants
to
see.
B
We
have
put
in
place
a
grant
scheme
for
businesses
that
will
be
closed
or
have
their
trading
restricted.
We
are
doing
that
that
matches
the
scheme
in
england.
We
are
doing
that
to
the
maximum
of
the
resources
we
have
we're,
probably
going.
We
are
going
beyond
the
resources
that
have
been
committed
to
us
through
consequences.
B
We
will
continue
to
make
the
case
to
the
uk
government
that
there
should
be
decisions
that
make
more
funding
available
so
that
we
can
pass
that
on
to
councils
and
to
businesses.
This
was
a
bit
of
the
the
question.
My
apologies
at
patrick
harvey.
I
didn't
catch
fully
if
he
was
asking
me
about
support
for
local
authorities
over
and
above
that,
and
particularly
for
enforcement,
we
will
continue
to
discuss
that
with
local
authorities.
One
particular
issue
we
are
exploring
is
whether
further
powers
are
needed
for
local
environmental
health
officers,
for
example.
B
I
think
there
is
a
case
to
be
made
for
that,
but
the
case
has
also
been
made
by
local
authorities,
which
I
think
is
also
valid,
that
that
requires
additional
resources
to
them
to
allow
those
enforcement
powers
to
be
properly
used.
So
this
remains
a
dynamic
discussion
and
always
will
do
between
central
scottish
government
and
local
governments
so
that
we
can,
as
far
as
we
possibly
can
make
sure
they
have.
The
resources
they
need
to
enforce
compliance
where
necessary
and
support
people
to
comply
as
well.
A
E
Harvey
another
issue
I
raised
this
week,
which
will
require
local
enforcement,
is
that
of
people
being
told
by
their
employers
not
to
comply
with
the
covered
rules.
We've
heard
of
people
being
told
that
they
should
not
install
the
protect
scotland
app
or
not
keep
their
phone
switched
on,
and
this
is
not
exceptional.
I've
had
cases
from
across
the
country
of
employers
asking
people
not
to
self-isolate
or
told
that
if
they
do,
it
will
be
treated
as
unauthorized
unpaid
absence.
E
So
can
the
first
minister
tell
us,
does
local
government,
the
scottish
government
or
police
scotland
currently
have
the
enforcement
powers
to
take
action
against
irresponsible
employers
who
put
their
short-term
business
interests
ahead
of
the
safety
of
their
workforce,
their
customers
and
the
wider
community,
and
does
the
scottish
government
support
the
proposals
from
unite
hospitality
on
issues
like
raising
sick
pay,
up
to
full
pay
and
ensuring
regular
routine
testing
for
hospitality
workers?
First.
B
We'll
consider
the
unite
proposals
carefully.
On
the
specific
question
about
enforcement
powers,
one
of
the
changes-
patrick
harvey
will
recall
we
made
some
weeks
ago
now-
was
to
give
local
authorities
the
powers
to
take
enforcement
action
against
any
individual
premises
that
were
through
whatever
conduct,
raising
the
risk
of
transmission,
and
that
could
include
closure
of
that
particular
premise
or
some
restrictions
on
their
ability
to
trade.
B
So
local
authorities
do
have
powers
of
that
nature,
but
of
course
we
keep
under
review
whether
there
needs
to
be
further
extension,
and
I
equally
don't
know
whether
the
examples
that
patrick
harvey
has
narrated
to
the
chamber
are
verified
in
any
way.
So
I
would
be
very
interested
to
to
know
if
they,
if
they
can
be.
Let
me
be
very,
very
clear.
B
It
would
be
completely
and
utterly
irresponsible
for
any
business
to
behave
in
that
way,
and
I
would
appeal
to
businesses
in
the
interest
of
themselves
and
the
wider
country
to
abide
by
all
of
the
the
rules
and
support
their
staff
fully
to
do
so
as
well
and
to
workers
across
the
country.
If
you
are
being
put
under
pressure
by
an
employer
to
act
in
any
of
these
ways,
get
in
touch
with
your
local
msp
get
in
touch
with
the
local
environmental
health
office.
Email
me
directly,
because
that
would
be
dangerous.
F
F
I
know
this
is
difficult,
but
it
does
seem
to
have
been
one
rule
for
care
workers
and
another
rule
for
this
government,
and
this
is
not
hindsight
because
I
warned
about
it
at
the
time
in
all
of
the
carefully
chosen
words
today.
I
still
want
to
hear
from
the
first
minister
that
the
lesson
has
been
learned.
The
error
has
been
accepted
and
the
apology
has
been
made
for
that
error.
B
Am
sorry
for
any
error
that
I
have
made
in
this
I've
said
that
many
times
before,
I'm
not
carefully
choosing
my
words,
I
probably
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
at
the
moment.
I
am
trying
to
be
as
frank
as
possible
and
we've
got
things
wrong,
and
we
will
continue
to
try
to
put
that
right
and
we
will,
you
know,
have
all
of
the
normal
processes
of
accountability.
B
That
is
absolutely
legitimate
to
question
this,
but
at
that
time
the
advice
on
testing
asymptomatic
people
and
the
effectiveness
of
that
was
different
to
how
it
is
today.
I
wish
I
could
turn
the
clock
back
in
all
of
this,
particularly
with
care
homes,
but
I
can't
what
I
can
do
and
what
I
have
a
responsibility
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
we
learn
these
lessons
and
apply
them
and
get
it
as
right
as
we
possibly
can.
Will
we
make
more
mistakes
in
this
situation?
B
Undoubtedly
so,
and
we
will
regret
them
as
well,
but
I
you
know,
promise
everybody
across
the
country
that
every
single
day
I
will
do
my
best
to
get
it
right
and
my
government
will
do
our
best
to
get
it
right
and
we
will
be
scrutinized.
I
will
listen
to
all
of
the
the
criticisms
and
scrutiny.
It's
an
important
part
of
this
process
and
at
every
step
of
the
way
we
will
do
everything
we
can
to
keep
people
as
safe
as
we
possibly
can.
F
F
F
B
B
Yes,
I
would
expect
genomic
sequencing
to
tell
us
much
more
about
the
spread
of
the
virus
across
the
country,
including
the
situation
and
care
homes.
Scotland
is
probably
doing
more
genomic
sequencing
than
many
countries.
It
did
tell
us
a
lot
of
important
things
about
what
happened
and
actually
what
didn't
happen
after
the
nike
conference.
B
I
I
expect
there
will
be
more
findings
from
genomic
sequencing
over
the
next
period
that
we'll
look
at
the
situation
over
the
summer
and
then
what
happened
as
we
came
out
of
lockdown,
so
that
does
have
an
important
part
to
play,
including
in
in
care
homes
and
and
lastly,
on
the
report
and
should
just
in
response
to
something:
I'm
not
complaining
about
scrutiny
not
at
all
and
again,
you
know
if
I
ever
sound
as
if
I
am.
That
is
not
my
intention.
B
It's
an
important
part
of
the
process,
we're
all
going
through
right
now.
I
have
never
said
this
report
is
the
final
word.
It
is
obviously
limited.
It
was
looking
at
a
particular
factor
and
there
are
limitations
in
what
it
can
say
around
that
factor.
I
have
never
tried
to
say
otherwise,
but
there
was
a
call
for
us
to
commission
a
report
into
this
particular
factor
and
that's
what
we
did.
There
are
other
factors
we
have
to
understand
more
and
then
in
the
fullness
of
time,
through
a
full
public
inquiry.
B
B
For
for
the
red
families
of
those
who
died,
and
it
has
to
happen
so
that
we
learn
lessons
now
that
can
be
applied
if
the
world,
hopefully
not
in
our
lifetimes,
is
ever
going
through
a
situation
like
this
again,
and
I
am
100
committed
to
that
process.
But
right
now
my
main
duty
as
first
minister
is
to
continue
to
lead
the
country
in
a
very
focused
way
through
the
second
wave.
That
still
lies
ahead
of
us.
G
Thank
you,
design
officer
to
ask
the
first
minister
what
a
response
is
to
the
report
by
the
scottish
children's
report,
administration
and
bernardo
scotland,
which
confirms
that
child
sexual
exploitation
is
happening
in
ireland,
rural
and
urban
communities
across
the
country,
with
cases
being
reported
in
27
out
of
32
local
authority
areas.
First,
minister,.
B
Child
sexual
abuse
and
exploitation
are
heinous
crimes.
We
welcome
the
publication
of
this
important
research,
examining
the
complexity
of
sexual
exploitation
and
its
links
to
other
forms
of
abuse.
The
research
demands
close
attention
from
all
core
agencies
and
key
partners
in
determining
an
appropriate
multi-agency
response.
Any
child,
a
young
person,
regardless
of
their
age,
wraith
or
ethnicity,
can
be
at
risk.
It
can
affect
children
from
any
background
in
any
community
we
want.
I
know
all
of
us
want
scotland
to
be
a
place
where
sexual
exploitation
of
children
and
young
people
is
eliminated.
A
G
Gibson,
I
thank
the
first
minister
for
that
reply.
The
report
has
many
disturbing
findings,
for
example,
that
more
than
half
of
girls
and
a
quarter
of
boys
involved
in
the
children's
hearing
system
were
victims
of
sexual
abuse,
with
a
high
proportion
of
these
young
people,
particularly
girls.
Having
attempted
suicide
worryingly,
four
out
of
five
boys
and
a
quarter
of
girls
identified
as
likely
victims
had
not
been
recognized.
Suggesting
vulnerabilities
are
not
being
taken
seriously
enough.
B
Yes,
health
boards
are
on
track
to
provide
eligible
cohorts
in
phase
one
with
the
vaccine.
By
the
time
the
flu
season
reaches
its
peak.
The
eligible
cohorts
are
those
most
clinically
vulnerable
to
flu,
amongst
others.
They
include
the
over
65s,
those
with
underlying
health
conditions,
pregnant
women
and
health
and
social
care
workers.
B
Health
boards
have
estimated
that
over
1
million
people,
almost
1.1
million
people
will
be
vaccinated
by
the
end
of
this
week.
That's
44
of
the
total
people
who
will
receive
the
vaccine
during
this
flu
season.
The
flu
season
in
the
uk
begins
in
december
and
reaches
its
peak
in
january
and
february.
However,
it
will
be
possible
to
receive
the
vaccine
as
late
as
the
end
of
march
2021.
H
Now
mrs
freeman
said
yesterday
that
she
doesn't
think
this
is
shambolic,
but
many
of
our
constituents
do
at
the
moment.
Disagree
with
that.
So
can
you
tell
me
how
many
in
the
phase
one
group
in
each
nhs
health
board
have
received
a
flu
jab
as
of
today
and
provide
reassurance
that
I
won't
need
to
ask
this
question
again
in
november.
B
I
can
say,
though,
as
I
said
in
my
initial
answer,
but
I'll
give
it
more
precisely
than
I
did
that
one
million
seventy
two
thousand
and
seventy
seven
hundred
and
eighty
six
people
will
be
vaccinated
by
the
end
of
this
week,
which
is
the
end
of
october.
That's
44
of
the
total
people
who
will
receive
the
vaccine
during
the
flu
season
and
the
vaccination
program
will
continue.
There
have
been
some
challenges
in
health
boards,
particularly
in
greater
glasgow
and
clyde
in
eastern
ireland.
B
There
was
a
very
temporary
issue
which
was
to
do
with
procurement
of
vaccine.
As
I
understand
and
which
has
been
resolved.
I've
got
many
friends
and
family
living
near
sheridan,
ireland,
because
that's
the
part
of
the
country
I
come
from.
I
know
that
that
program
inaudibly
working
very
well
where
there
are
issues
the
health
secretary
has
been
and
her
officials
have
been
working
with
health
boards
to
address
them,
and
the
vaccination
programme
is
on
track
and
we
will
continue
to
ensure
that
that
remains
the
case.
B
To
save
by
far
from
closure
back
in
2017
and
at
that
time
to
support
delivery
of
the
beatrice
offshore
wind
project,
the
scottish
government
invested
37.4
million
pounds
through
a
combination
of
equity
and
loan
facilities,
and
this
was
converted
to
a
32.4
equity
stake
in
bifab.
A
loan
facility
of
50
million
pounds
has
also
been
provided
to
support
working
capital.
B
I
Presiding
officer
today,
the
daily
record
reports
on
legal
opinion
regarding
state
aid
rules
from
lord
davidson,
which
concludes
that
the
government
have
appeared
irrational
in
withdrawing
the
commitment
to
providing
a
guarantee
and
that
this
decision
risks.
Judicial
review
communities
in
faith
cannot
understand
why
the
scottish
government
have
withdrawn
their
support,
and
I
urge
the
first
minister
to
diverse
the
decision
and
to
publish
the
advice
she
has
received
on
state
aid.
500
jobs
in
fife
rely
on
this
contract
and
a
workforce
who
marched
on
this
parliament
three
years
ago
deserve
straight
answers
and
a
future.
B
I
sympathize
absolutely
with
the
sentiments
of
claire
baker's
question.
This
government
has
worked
very
hard
with
the
trade
unions,
who
have
worked
even
harder
and
with
owners
at
bifab
to
try
to
secure
it.
We
have
invested
heavily.
We
have
to
act
within
the
advice
we
get
on
state
aid
and
financial
constraints.
What
I
would
say
to
claire
baker,
because
I
want
to
be
very
clear:
we
will
leave
no
stone
unturned.
B
I
would
I
would
ask
claire
baker
to
to
recognize
this
and
perhaps
take
it
as
a
sign
of
the
the
sentiment
that
lies
behind
the
scottish
government's
actions.
Here
we
have
invested
significantly.
We
are
a
significant
shareholder
in
bifab.
It
would
make
no
sense
for
the
government,
let
alone
the
workers
of
the
wider
community,
for
us
simply
to
allow
bifab
to
go
to
the
wall.
B
If
there
is
a
way
for
us
to
avoid
that
happening,
so
we
will
be
exploring
every
opportunity
to
try
to
save
bifab,
as
we
have
done
in
the
past,
as
people
would
expect
in
my
position.
I
have
personally
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
and
effort
working
with
others
to
try
to
secure
bifid,
but
for
that
bifab
would
have
closed
three
years
ago.
We
will
continue
to
do
everything
we
can,
but
we
have
to
operate
within
the
legal
constraints
that
all
governments
are
bound
by.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
again
we
just
highlight
we
shouldn't
have
a
remarkable
number
of
members
wanting
to
ask
supplementaries
today
we
won't
be
able
to
get
through
them
all,
but
we'll
go
through
as
many
as
we
can.
I
would
urge
people
to
remember
by
injunction
for
succinct
and
brief
questions
and
answers.
K
Thank
you,
I'm
sure
the
first
minister
and
the
local
concerns
that
dundee
has
been
placed
in
level
three.
Can
the
first
minister
give
any
further
detail
on
support
for
businesses
in
dundee
affected
by
this
change,
and
does
she
share
my
alarm
at
the
forecast
in
today's
document
that
nhst
site
will
exceed
hospital
bed
capacity
within
six
weeks
on
current
trajectories
and
therefore,
what
more
can
we
all
do
to
change
that
trajectory
and
bluntly
rises,
so
dundee
can
move
out
of
level
three
at
a
future
review.
B
So
can
I
just
say
first
of
all,
you're
in
charge
of
the
chamber,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
all
the
questions
and
stay
here
for
as
long
as
it
takes
to
do
that.
If
that
is
permissible
by
you.
Turning
to
shona
robson's
questions,
I
the
the
projections
around
nhst
side
are
part
of
the
reason
we
have
taken
the
decision
today
around
dundee
city.
B
The
support
for
businesses
is
set
out
in
general
terms
in
the
strategic
framework,
businesses
in
dundee
will
be
able
to
ask
the
city
council
for
precise
details
in
the
website
at
findbusinesssupport.gov
dot
scott.
If
I've
not
got
that
wrong
is
available
for
businesses
to
look
in
more
detail
at
the
support
that
is
available
to
them,
should
they
require
to
close
or
have
their
trading
restricted.
A
B
The
support
package
that
we
have
made
available
is
designed
to
support
not
just
businesses
that
are
required
to
close
our
businesses
in
a
primary
sense
that
have
the
trading
restricted,
but
to
support
the
supply
chain
as
well
and
and
therefore
that
includes
wholesalers.
Obviously,
the
precise
details
of
the
support
packages
are
available
for
businesses
to
consider
and
we've
tried
to
match
the
grant
support
packages
that
have
been
made
available
in
england
as
well.
I
think
this
is
the
minimum
that
businesses
can
expect
from
government.
M
Thank
you
very
much
presiding
officer.
The
first
minister
will
be
aware
that
many
services
available
pre-covered
were
withdrawn
during
the
early
stages
of
the
crisis,
including
care
for
older
people
and
disabled
people
in
their
own
homes.
A
number
of
constituents
have
contacted
me
to
report
that
now
that
services
are
being
reintroduced,
their
package
of
support
are
much
reduced,
with
a
consequent
serious
impact
on
their
health
and
well-being.
B
Yes,
I
do
agree
with
that,
and
I
think
the
health
secretary
has
made
that
clear
previously
that
people
should
have
the
support
that
they
require
and
that
covert
should
not
be
used
as
an
excuse
to
reduce
to
use
your
enlargements
raise
packages
by
stealth,
and
I
don't
think
that
is
happening
across
the
country.
I
have
heard
reports
of
it
happening
in
particular,
parts
of
the
country
and
the
health
secretary
has
engaged
with
local
partners
where
that
is
the
case.
B
There
has
also
been
additional
investment
from
the
scottish
government
to
local
partners
to
ensure
that
these
services
have
the
support
they
need.
So
if
any
member
has
any
evidence
of
that
happening
in
any
part
of
the
country,
if
they
draw
it
to
the
attention
of
the
health
secretary,
we
will
take
steps
to
address
it.
N
Presiding
officer,
I
know
that
many
ms
has
been
contacted
by
local
amateur
football
teams
and
a
local
amateur
football
team
in
my
constituency,
natal
milan,
who
were
formed
in
2017,
voted
many
players,
including
those
in
the
recovery
community
under
level
three
restrictions.
They
cannot
play
the
game,
they
love
and
I'm
sure
everyone
in
the
chamber
will
appreciate
the
potential
impact
on
the
health
and
well-being
of
those
players.
I
absolutely
accept
the
tough
decisions
and
the
balance
viscosity
government
must
strike
at
this
difficult
time.
N
B
And
I
know
that
the
restrictions
on
adult
contact
sport
will
disappoint
people
who
can't
get
together
with
their
pals
and
teammates
to
play
at
whatever
support
sport.
It
is
that
they
favor
after
very
significant
consideration
and
consultation,
though
the
scottish
government
has
reluctantly
confirmed
the
position
as
previously
set
out
as
the
risk
associated
with
the
virus
is
still
too
great
in
areas
with
level
three
or
level
four
conditions
to
allow
adult
contact
support.
B
But
I
want
to
assure
bob
doris
and
others
that
we
will
keep
this
situation
under
review
and
nobody
wants
to
restrict
anything
without
that
being
necessary
or
for
longer
than
is
necessary,
and
I
think
that
is
particularly
true
of
sporting
activity.
So
we
will
continue
to
review
it
and
update
as
in
when
we
are
able
to
do
that.
O
Thank
you
first,
minister,
can
I
warmly
welcome
the
two
million
pounds
that
the
scottish
government
gave
to
the
outdoor
education
sector,
but
can
I
ask
what
further
engagement
the
scottish
government
is
having
with
the
sector
about
the
long-term
sustainability,
because
obviously
the
two
million
pounds
is
not
enough
to
get
them
through
the
considerable
concerns
that
they
are
facing
with
covert
19..
First
minister.
B
We
are
acutely
conscious
that
short-term
support
is
short-term
support
and
we
need
to
work
with
all
sectors
and
consider
the
support
that
is
appropriate
and
necessary.
As
the
situation
further
develops,
we
will
have
ongoing
engagement
with
the
outdoor
education
sector.
That
engagement
has
been
good
and
has
indeed
resulted
in
the
short-term
support
that
liz
smith
welcomes.
We
want
to.
B
This
has
been
the
case
all
along
support
in
the
short
to
medium
term,
the
sector
to
do
as
much
as
can
be
done
within
current
regulations
to
maximize
their
activity,
but
also
work
with
them
and
others
within
the
broad
framework
we
set
out
to
reduce
levels
of
the
virus
so
that
we
can
start
to
introduce
more
normality.
This
is
not
easy
for
anybody,
but
we
will
continue
to
work
with
sectors
to
provide
as
much
support
as
we
can
and
all
of
us.
I
think
we've
all
got
to
remember.
B
You
know
because
relevant
to
the
previous
question
and
to
this
one.
This
can
feel
and
is
very
difficult
for
everybody
here.
A
quick
glance
across
europe
right
now
shows
that
we
are
not
alone
here,
but
the
key
point
is
the
the
more
effectively
all
of
us
act
to
get
the
virus
under
control
the
more
quickly
we
can
start
to
restore
normality,
and
that
really
has
to
be
the
key
point
that
all
of
us
remember
and
communicate
to
our
constituents
across
the
country.
P
Thank
you
first,
minister.
Can
I
draw
sorry,
thank
you,
president
officer.
Can
I
draw
the
first
minister's
attention
to
research
published
yesterday
from
the
scotland
and
lockdown
project
based
at
glasgow
university?
They
highlighted
the
plight
of
forgotten
shielders
that
sews
on
the
official
shielding
list
that
have
had
to
shield
because
of
long-term
health
conditions
or
disabilities.
B
We'll
continue
to
keep
that
under
ongoing
discussion
with
supermarkets.
Of
course,
at
the
outset
of
the
pandemic,
there
were
particular
pressures
on
supermarkets
which
led
to
supply
issues
and
that
included
delivery
slots
and
that
eased,
although
we
also
took
action
to
set
up
a
specific
food
delivery
service
for
people
in
the
shielding
category.
And
of
course,
local
authorities
set
up
local
arrangements
to
make
sure
that
people
in
the
children
category
got
that
priority.
Access
to
food
and
thousands
of
people
got
the
free
food
deliveries.
B
J
B
People
who
test
positive
it
should
be
contacted
within
24
hours
of
the
the
positive
test
being
entered
into
the
case
management
system.
The
system
has
been
under
pressure
in
recent
weeks
due
to
the
increasing
volume
of
index
cases,
but
the
system
is
routinely
exceeding
the
80
target
for
closure
of
cases.
B
That
means
not
just
initially
being
contacted,
but
all
of
the
work
being
done
within
72
hours
at
the
lisa's
published
statistics
show
that
for
the
week
ending
25th
october
80
4.1
percent
had
their
interview
complete
within
24
hours
of
an
index
case
appearing
in
the
case
management
system,
and
that
97.7
percent
of
cases
were
closed
within
72
hours
of
being
created
in
the
system.
So
these
are,
I
think,
comparatively
with
other
systems
elsewhere
at
positive
statistics,
but
we're
not
complacent
about
them.
Q
R
Thank
you,
president
officer.
First
minister,
there
are
many
pubs
across
my
region
that
don't
sell
food.
They
don't
have
space
for
a
beer
garden.
They
can't
therefore
sell
alcohol,
but
because
of
the
restrictions
levels
of
first
ministers
just
announced
frankly,
they'll
close
the
government's
not
yet
shared
the
regulations
that
will
underpin
those
restrictions.
R
Yet
so
can
I
ask
the
first
minister:
will
those
businesses
be
legally
required
to
close,
and
if
not,
will
they
be
treated
exactly
the
same
way
in
terms
of
the
level
of
financial
support
from
the
scottish
government
and
access
to
the
fellow
scheme
as
businesses
that
are
legally
required
to
close?
If
not,
why
not?
Because
government
restrictions
do
have
the
same
effect
on
those
businesses
as
legal
closure?
Surely
they're
entitled
to
the
same
level
of
support?
First,
minister.
B
Yes,
I
agree
that
we
have
to
support
all
businesses,
not
just
those
that
are
legally
required
to
close
the
job
support
scheme.
It
does
that
by
having
different
strands
for
businesses
that
are
required
to
close
and
those
that
are
not
our
own
grant
system
also
recognises
that
businesses
that
are
not
required
to
close
but
have
their
trading
restricted,
are
also
eligible
for
supporters.
It's
important
that
we
recognize
the
different
ways
in
which
these
restrictions
impact
on
the
ability
of
businesses
to
not
operate.
B
Normally,
we
are
trying,
through
this
system,
to
have
as
proportionate
approach
as
possible,
and
many
countries
are
increasing
numbers
of
countries,
including
within
the
uk,
right
now.
Wales,
obviously
for
reasons
that
I
entirely
support,
because
the
first
minister,
they
thought
they
were
necessary.
Hospitality
is
completely
closed.
B
We
see
that
now
in
belgium,
france,
germany
and
increasing
numbers
of
countries,
we
are
trying
to
be
proportionate
and
give
proportionate
support,
but
it
is
necessary
that
these
kinds
of
restrictions
are
complied
with
to
avoid
the
need
for
us
to
do
what
other
countries
are
doing,
and
I
think
that
is
a
point
that
we
cannot
lose
sight
of.
However
difficult
I
know,
these
restrictions
are.
A
S
B
The
scottish
government
is
a
minority
shareholder
in
bifab.
I
set
out
the
shareholding
in
response
to
clear
baker's
question
and
we
are
bound
by
state
aid
rules.
We
can
only
act
as
a
commercial
investor
would
in
our
situation.
We
look,
of
course,
the
jv
driver,
the
majority
shareholder,
to
provide
financial
support
to
the
business.
B
They
are
maintaining
at
this
stage
a
zero
risk
position
and
if
the
majority
shareholder
is
not
prepared
to
invest
in
the
business,
it
makes
it
more
challenging
to
demonstrate
that
another
commercial
investor
would
invest
and,
of
course,
that
changes
if
the
majority
shareholder
is
prepared
to
invest
in
the
company.
That
potentially
opens
the
the
door
for
the
scottish
government
to
provide
further
support,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
everything
we
reasonably
can
to
support
bifab.
T
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
In
august,
the
deputy
first
minister
confirmed
that
by
october
the
enhanced
surveillance
testing
program
for
schools
would
be
fully
operational.
Did
the
first
minister
confirm,
if
that's
now
the
case,
and
if
the
aggregate
data
produced
by
this
testing
program
will
be
published.
B
U
Thank
you,
presiding
officer,
along
with
the
island
authorities,
beatrice
wilshire
and
I
have
been
raising
concerns
about
the
continued
restrictions
on
small
indoor
meetings
in
orkney
and
shetland
meeting
socially
outdoors
is
simply
not
possible,
as
we
for
many
as
we
enter
at
winter
in
ireland.
Communities
where
restaurants,
cafes
and
coffee
shops
are
pretty
thin
on
the
ground.
How
was
this
factored
into
the
scottish
government's
decision
and
given
the
known
social
harms
and
the
risks
of
isolation,
will
the
first
minister
ensure
that
every
effort
is
made
to
lift
those
restrictions
at
the
earliest
possible
opportunity.
B
V
Thank
you
for
signing
officer.
First,
minister.
As
you
know,
I
represent
three
mining
communities:
pennycook
gorbridge
and
newton
grange
home
of
the
scottish
money
museum
and
so
welcomed.
The
announcement
yesterday
for
general
pardoned
by
the
scottish
government
for
those
in
scotland
criminalized
with
events
in
1984
strike,
and
I
know
the
government
wants
to
watch
the
uk
to
hold
an
inquiry.
B
Can
I
thank
christine
for
the
question.
The
minor
strike
was
one
of
the
most
bitter
and
divisive
industrial
disputes
in
living
memory,
and
I'm
really
glad
and
proud
that
the
scottish
government
was
able
to
take
a
small
but
important
step
yesterday
in
writing
those
wrongs
and
addressing
the
injustice
that
was
suffered
by
so
many
minors
and
their
families.
During
that
strike,
there
are
unanswered
questions
about
the
uk
government's
role
in
the
strike.
We
will
continue
to
press
them
to
hold
a
full
public
inquiry
which,
of
course,
would
include
any
allegations
of
political
interference.
B
For
our
part,
we
initiated
the
independent
review
to
ensure
that
the
experiences
of
scottish
mining
communities
were
fully
understood.
We
have
an
opportunity
now
to
bring
reconciliation
to
minors
and
to
police
officers
and
to
try
to
heal
the
wounds
of
the
past,
and
we
will
call
upon
the
uk
government
to
adopt
the
same
reconciliation
approach
in
taking
forward
a
uk-wide
inquiry.
W
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
Following
a
wave
of
public
discontent,
the
scottish
government
has
performed
a
u-turn
on
fire
and
smoke
alarm
standards.
The
housing
minister
confirmed
to
a
parliamentary
committee
that
it
was,
and
I
quote,
imperative
to
get
the
publicity
right.
In
reality,
a
marketing
campaign
by
a
private
company
occurred
which
carried
the
scottish
government
logo,
which
was
not
signed
off
by
scottish
ministers.
Therefore,
first
minister,
what
reassurances
can
you
give
to
constituents
in
my
region
and
organizations
like
age,
scotland?
That
lessons
will
be
learned.
B
B
I
first
saw
the
leaflet
when
it
went
through
the
door
of
a
member
of
my
own
family,
who
told
me
about
it,
and
many
people
got
that,
but
more
substantively,
you
know
I
could
equally
sort
of
frame
this,
as
the
scottish
government
has
has
listened
and
recognized
the
unique
circumstances
we're
in
covid
has
meant
that
we
weren't
able
to
do
the
the
awareness
raising
and
the
supportive
work
that
would
have
made
a
shift
to
this
on
the
anticipated
time
scale
possible.
So
we've
done
it.
X
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
You
will
recall
that
I
previously
raised
first
ministers
questions
and
with
ministers
the
case
of
my
constituent,
leah
collins,
a
young
scottish
mom,
who,
along
with
her
infant
son,
was
sent
back
to
malta
by
a
scottish
judge
to
face
a
risky
and
uncertain
future.
It
now
appears
that
important
issues
relating
to
the
case
were
not
known
to
the
scottish
judge
before
he
made
his
decision,
namely
that
her
former
partner
had
admitted
a
charge
of
grievous
bodily
harm.
X
They
need
someone
on
their
side.
I'm
asking
the
scottish
government
to
step
up
and
examine
the
details
of
this
case.
I
appreciate
that
as
a
legal
matter,
but
when
the
law
fails
children
and
fails
young
scottish
mothers,
then
surely
something
has
gone
wrong.
Will
the
first
minister
agree
to
look
at
the
detail
of
what's
happened
here?
This
family
needs
help
to
be
brought
back
together
and
for
to
be
brought
back
to
scotland.
B
Can
I
thank
alec
rowley
for
raising
this
case.
Members
understand
the
constraints
that
I
have
to
operate
and
when
it
comes
to
commenting
on
decisions
of
the
independent
legal
system,
can
I
say
from
a
human
perspective,
there
are
some
cases
where
I
find
that
much
more
difficult
than
in
others,
and
this
is
one
of
those
cases,
my
at
heart,
as
the
heart
of
everybody.
I
know
it
goes
out
to
talia
and
the
circumstances
that
she
finds
herself
in.
B
I
cannot
simply
cast
aside
the
constitutional
limitations
of
of
my
role,
but
if
there
is
anything
I
can
do
to
try
to
allow
leah
to
to
be
home
and
to
be
safe,
then
I
of
course
will
look
at
doing
that.
If
alec
rowley
wants
to
to
write
to
me,
then
I'm
happy
to
engage
and
I'm
happy
to
look
to
see
whether
there
is
anything
I
can
do
within
the
obvious
constraints
that
I
operate
within.
Y
Hey,
thank
you
very
much
providing
officer.
I
think
the
first
minister
will
be
aware
that
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
fireworks
this
year,
especially
as
some
of
the
larger
and
council
displays
have
been
cancelled.
She
probably
also
knows
that
the
dogs
trust
her
in
my
constituency
and
the
animals
get
extremely
stressed
and
frightened
when
fireworks
are
let
off
near
to
them.
Y
A
B
Actually,
the
the
need
to
behave
responsibly
is
greater,
even
greater
this
year
than
it
is
in
previous
years.
I
in
the
last
few
years
have
had
some
particularly
challenging
issues
in
my
own
constituency
around
the
irresponsible
and
downright
dangerous
use
of
fireworks.
So
I
know
only
too
well
the
impact
on
local
communities
bonfire
night
this
year
is
going
to
like
so
many
other
things.
Look
very
different.
Many
traditional
activities
are
not
going
to
take
place.
B
Public
firework
displays
will
not
happen
this
year,
and
so
that
means
it's
all
the
more
important
that
individuals
do
not
act
irresponsibly
or
inadvertently
in
a
way
that
puts
them
and
others
at
risk
and
that's
important
for
human
beings.
But
it
is
also,
as
john
mason
said,
really
important
for
animals,
pets
and
livestock.
B
Z
B
I
said
in
the
debates
on
tuesday
that
we
would
consider
that
proposal
sympathetically,
and
that
remains
the
case.
Businesses
are
already
at
the
heart
of
this.
I
appreciate
that
for
businesses
for
individuals
in
the
circumstances
we
live
in,
it
might
not
always
feel
like
that,
and
I
I
readily
recognize
that
we
want
to
make
sure
businesses
are
involved
as
far
as
possible
in
the
decision
making
process
and
have
an
understanding
of
what
drives
those
decisions.
But
we
want
that
to
be
true
of
wider
societies.
Will
trade
unions,
for
example?
B
So
yes,
we
will
consider
how
to
take
that
proposal
forward.
I
said
on
tuesday
that,
although
for
reasons
that
we
explained,
then
we
weren't
able
to
vote
for
the
conservative
or
the
labour
amendment.
That
did
not
mean
there
weren't
good
ideas
in
them
and
we
will
take
forward
those
good
ideas.
As
far
as
we
can.
AA
AA
He
recently
visited
his
very
sick
mother
in
pakistan,
but
on
his
return
to
glasgow
airport,
he
was
detained
by
police,
closely
interrogated
and
asked
to
read
schedule
seven
of
the
terrorism
act.
He
was
answering
questions
as
what
he
thought
of
the
taliban.
Was
he
a
strict
muslim
and
his
form
is
interrogated
with
pictures
and
data.
He
felt
deeply
humiliated
and
degraded.
AA
AA
B
B
Member
of
the
scottish
community
makes
a
marvelous
contribution
to
this
country
and
we
should
all
be
really
proud
to
have
him
here
as
well,
of
course,
as
a
little
sedaze,
who
has
come
through
the
most
unimaginable
trauma,
but
is
also
flourishing.
But
this
as
paul
mcneil
says,
is
obviously
about
his
experience.
But
it's
a
wider
issue.
I've
not
had
the
chance
to
speak
to
him
this
week,
but
I've
read
the
reports
of
what
he
experienced
and
I
think
it
is
unacceptable
and
I
I
do
think
things
need
to
change.
B
Let
me
also
say
that
people
who
work
for
border
force
and
immigration
authorities-
they
do
a
tough
job,
and
we
should
recognise
that
too.
But
there
are
many
people,
many
of
my
constituents
in
the
south
side
of
glasgow
who
travel
backwards
and
forwards
to
countries
like
pakistan,
who
fear
feel
that
they
are
not
treated
fairly
in
that
process
and
that
they
are
often
put
through
very
humiliating
and
degrading
experiences.
And
I
do
think
that
is
wrong.
B
M
Thank
you
very
much
presiding
officer
on
a
point
of
order
in
relation
to
the
role
of
msps
in
interrogating
the
work
of
of
the
scottish
government.
I
note
your
willingness
to
extend
this
session
and
I
note
in
particular,
respect
the
willingness
of
the
first
minister
to
continue
answering
questions.
I
think
we
all
must
accept.
M
And
could
I
ask
at
the
presiding
officer,
we'll,
have
the
bureau
consider
separating
off
any
statement
on
progress
on
levels
of
restrictions,
some
of
which
I
understand
have
been
looked
at
daily
to
separate
that
from
ffqs
and
allowing
more
questions
to
be
raised
and
with
perhaps
a
statement
being
made
on
tuesday?
And
would
the
bureau
further
consider
the
role
of
covent
of
the
coveted
committee
in
considering
how
it
might
engage
in
these
serious
issues
with
the
first
minister.
A
Can
I
thank
joanne
lamin
for
our
point
of
order.
I
would
note
that
there
are.
There
are
still
more
than
a
dozen
members
who
have
not
been
able
to
who
have
not
been
able
to
make
a
contribution
who
wish
to
ask
a
question
of
the
first
minister
and
for
whom
we
haven't
been
able
to
schedule
time
today.
This
is
very
much
a
master,
ongoing
debate
at
the
bureau.
A
At
the
moment,
I
would
suggest
to
john
lamin
that
she
puts
her
proposal
through
her
business
manager,
but
I
will
also
note
and
bring
it
to
the
bureau.
I've
just
reminded
all
members
that
at
the
moment,
one
second
point
points
of
order
are
for
for
me
to
answer.
I
would
just
remind
all
members
that
at
the
moment
the
parliamentary
bureau
is
leading
a
specific
piece
of
work
on
the
process
of
parliamentary
scrutiny,
given
the
stage
we're
at
in
our
response
to
covert.
A
So
we
have
actually
appealed
to
all
members
to
bring
forward
suggestions
just
as
this,
and
it's
specifically
about
making
sure
we
allocate
enough
parliamentary
time
so
that
members
can
raise
issues
on
behalf
of
the
constituents.
So
this
is
very
much.
This
is
actually
on
the
agenda
for
tuesday
and
I'll.
Take
muslims,
specific
suggestion
to
the
bureau.
The
first
minister
would
also
like
to
pick
a
point
of
voting.
B
It's
just
I
did
say
in
my
statement.
I
appreciate
there
was
a
lot
of
information
in
it,
but
it
is
the
intention
of
government
to
come
to
parliament
and
make
a
statement
each
tuesday
if
there
are
changes
being
made
to
the
levels,
because
I
recognize
the
limitations
of
doing
it
before
fmq's.
More
broadly-
and
I
appreciate
my
answers-
can
be
lengthy,
I'm
trying
to
give
as
much
information
but
equally
presiding
officer.
I
am
always
happy
to
stay
here
for
as
long
as
possible
to
answer
all
of
the
questions
that
msps
have.
A
Now
that
has
noted
first
minister,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
well
appreciated
that
we've
had
an
hour
and
a
half
of
this
session.
These
matters
aren't
discussed
at
the
bureau
every
week.
I
don't
want
to
keep
members
any
longer,
but
I
do
want
to
draw
the
members
attention
to
the
fact
that
today
is
an
entirely
different
note
before
I
suspend
proceedings
today
marks
brian
taylor,
bbc
scotland's
political
editors
last
day
covering
our
affairs.
A
Many
of
us
here
for
all
of
us
here
will
know
brian
very
well.
He
has
a
long
and
distinguished
career
in
broadcasting.
He's
spent
more
than
two
decades
now,
every
moment
of
our
political
life.
Here
in
the
scottish
parliament
covering
this
institution,
he
had
done
so
with
authority
with
insight
very
often
with
humor,
and
wit.
A
He
has
been
the
conduit
for
many
people
around
scotland,
of
all
our
affairs,
our
deliberations,
our
decisions
and
machinations.
I
would
just
like
to
thank
him
for
the
work
he
has
done
for
on
behalf
of
the
parliament
on
behalf
of
his
first
contribution
to
public
life
and
about
the
scottish
people.
So
thank
you.