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A
B
Thank
You
presiding
officer
I'm
very
grateful
for
the
opportunity
today
to
provide
Parliament
with
an
update
on
Ferguson
Marine,
shot
yard,
as
I
made
clear
to
Parliament
on
numerous
occasions.
My
dealings
with
Ferguson's
have
been
guided
by
three
objectives:
securing
the
completion
of
the
two
vessels
being
built
for
the
kalmyk
fleet,
protect
the
jobs
of
350
strong
workforce
and
ensure
a
future
for
shipbuilding
at
the
yard,
on
August
9th,
the
directors
of
Ferguson
Marine
Engineering
Limited
filed
a
notice
of
intention
to
appoint
administrators
effectively
starting
the
process
to
put
the
business
into
administration.
B
Administrators
from
Deloitte
were
then
appointed
by
the
first
ranking
creditors
to
the
business
age
CCI.
In
response
to
the
series
events
and
to
ensure
that
objectives
could
be
made,
the
Scottish
Government
has
taken
Ferguson,
marina
and
to
public
control,
whilst
the
administrators
complete
a
marketing
process.
This
is
expected
to
last
another
two
to
four
weeks
as
part
of
the
agreement
entered
into
with
the
administrators.
We
expect
to
acquire
Ferguson's
at
the
end
of
that
process
should
no
viable
commercial
offer
before
coming
during
that
period.
This
is
not
a
course
of
action.
B
We
took
lightly
the
Scottish
Government
has
been
working
for
over
two
years
to
find
a
resolution
to
the
difficulties,
our
Ferguson's,
and
throughout
that
time
our
preference
has
been
to
identify
viable
commercial
options
to
keep
the
yard
going
and
to
finish
the
vessels.
No
such
solutions
have
come
forward
through
its
actions
in
relation
to
the
contract
with
F
male-female
has
acted
to
secure
the
vessels
and
protect
public
money
at
F
males
requests,
we
convened
a
series
of
meetings
between
the
parties
to
seek
a
resolution.
B
An
independent
view
of
the
merits
of
the
claims
submitted
by
FML
was
carried
out
for
the
Scottish
Government.
We
advise
the
interested
parties
in
confidence
of
the
outcome,
but
it
would
not
be
appropriate
to
share
the
opinion
father.
However,
it
did
not
offer
any
legal
basis
for
the
Scottish
government
or
Simo
2pf
Mel
more
than
the
fixed
price
contract.
F
Mel,
of
course,
were
free
to
pursue
their
claim
in
court.
B
At
any
point,
over
the
last
two
years,
we've
been
working
to
secure
a
future
for
the
shipyard
and
I'm
disappointed
that
we
weren't
able
to
reach
a
commercial
solution
worth
clayed
blowers,
capital
that
would
have
prevented
the
appointment
of
administrators.
We
fully
considered
clay
blood
capital's
proposal
to
continue
running
the
art
but
concluded
that
it
contained
a
number
of
serious
risks
and
could
not
be
taken
forward.
They
offered
no
certainty
on
the
overall
final
cost
of
the
vessels
and
saw
no
money
from
cbc
invested
into
the
app.
They
were
also
serious
concerns.
B
They're
entering
into
the
proposal
would
have
been
unlawful.
Parliament
will
understand
in
seeking
our
solution
to
this
issue.
I
could
not
and
would
not
act
I
with
the
law.
While
we
were
unable
to
accept
CBC's
proposals,
the
Scottish
government
has
supported
the
business
significantly
in
recent
years,
including
providing
a
commercial
loan
of
up
to
30
million
pounds
in
June
2018
for
working
capital
and
to
support
diversification
in
addition
to
a
15
million
pound
loan
to
date
in
September
2017.
B
These
loans
were
provided
to
diversify
the
business
and,
on
the
basis
of
our
line
of
work,
the
F
male
indicated
they
could,
when
we
use
part
of
this
45
million
pounds
loan
to
fund
the
credit
bed
for
the
yard,
it's
important
to
make
the
right
economic
intervention
or
in
at
least
by
case
basis.
In
the
case
of
Ferguson's,
it
is
vital
that
the
female
contracts
to
belt
the
two
new
ferries
are
completed.
They
will
provide
crucial
additional
tonnage
for
their
Clayton
Hebrides
ferry
services
network,
helping
support
the
economies
in
the
lives
of
our
island
communities.
B
There's
also
I
need
to
protect
the
Scottish,
Government's
possession
and
other
commercial
loans
made
to
the
F
male
group.
The
alternative
would
have
been
for
the
Scottish
Government
to
walk
away
the
company
to
have
gone
into
administration
and
potentially
the
job
to
close
jobs
being
lost
and
the
vessels
not
being
complete,
and
that
was
not
an
option.
B
Developing
our
revised
cost
analysis,
which
subtly
establishes
all
the
actions
required
to
complete
the
C
mail
vessels,
will
be
one
of
the
main
tasks
for
the
business.
You
know
work
closely
with
the
management
to
create
a
clear
understanding
of
the
course
of
completing
the
two
vessels
and
we're
already
working
to
meet
the
valid
debt
claims
to
suppliers
and
to
aid.
This
work
I've
formed
a
program
review
board
to
work
to
secure
the
most
effective
delivery
program
for
C
mail
vessels
to
completion
in
terms
of
time
cost
and
impact
on
the
workforce.
B
The
group
includes
representatives
from
PSD
coders
undersecretary
experts,
including
Transport
Scotland,
marine
Scotland,
even
marine
limited
Scottish,
Enterprise
Cemal,
as
well
as
representatives
from
the
oil
say
workforce.
The
group
will
establish
the
cost
and
time
skills
to
complete
the
vessels
and
will
monitor
the
progress
of
delivery
against
these
new
milestones.
A
key
focus
over
the
coming
weeks
will
be
to
get
there's
this
task
right
and
to
say
at
the
yard,
on
the
right
path
to
show
that
it
can
deliver
the
program
and
cost
alongside
us.
B
This
has
been
a
difficult
time
for
staff,
that
yard
and
our
families
and
we've
been
very
keen
to
reassure
feresten
skilled
workforce
of
our
commitment
throughout
the
process.
So
presiding
officer,
my
focus
is,
and
has
always
been
on,
ensuring
the
pollution
of
the
to
public
sector
ferries.
The
best
value
for
money
for
the
taxpayer
was
also
working
towards
the
delivery
of
other
vessels
currently
under
construction
at
the
yard
and
in
so
doing
securing
jobs
for
the
workforce
through
the
continuity
of
employment.
B
As
for
the
future
of
the
yard,
we
remain
committed
to
working
towards
finding
a
solution
to
support
future
shelter
shipbuilding
at
the
site.
Well,
the
female
vessels
are
completed.
The
Scottish
government
will
continue
to
conduct
further
work
to
identify
a
viable
future
structure
for
the
abbé,
the
Scottish
Government
will
add.
All
teams
remain
open
to
discussions
with
any
parties
interests
in
securing
a
viable
commercial
future
for
the
app
we'll,
also
explore
the
option
of
keeping
the
yard
in
public
ownership
and
how
this
might
secure
a
lasting
future
for
shipbuilding
on
the
lower
clade.
B
Throughout
this
process,
the
Scottish
Government
has
worked
in
good
faith
to
secure
the
vessels.
The
jobs
and
the
app
when
presented
with
the
prospect
of
the
company
entering
into
administration,
we
acted
quickly
and
decisively
to
ensure
that
these
objectives
could
be
met
and
the
yards
did
not
close
and
well.
Clearly
that
is
much
work
yet
to
do.
Their
actions
have
ensured
that
there
will
be
a
tomorrow
for
fairness,.
A
Thank
you,
Kabbalist.
Okay,
thank
you
for
giving
me
an
extra
minute
back
time
is
tight
cabinet
sector
will
no
tech
questions
the
issue
raised
in
the
state,
9/10
lo2
432,
and
we
must
move
on
to
next
item
of
business.
So
if
members
wish
to
ask
a
question,
please
press
the
request
to
speak
buttons
now
I
called
Jimmy
Green
to
be
followed
by
Colin
Smith.
Mr.
green
can.
C
I
thank
the
current
secretary
for
foresight
of
statement,
but
today's
statement
was
delivered
without
a
hint
of
irony,
because
everybody
knows
that
the
yard
is
in
such
a
mess
because
of
the
actions
of
him
and
his
government.
The
question
here
the
question
here
is
not
about
whether
or
not
we
save
jobs.
The
real
question
is
how
we
save
those
jobs,
and
today's
statement
raises
more
questions
than
answers.
C
Let
me
ask
some
simple
straightforward
questions
and
the
hope
we
get
some
simple
answers
from
the
cabinet
secretary.
First
on
the
dispute
between
the
government
and
the
yard
is
the
cabinet
secretary
happy
with
the
levers
of
mediation
and
arbitration
which
took
place,
and
while
he
published
details,
the
serious
events
that
led
us
to
where
we
are
today
on
the
timelines
for
delivering
these
new
ferries.
When
will
they
actually
be
delivered
because
they're,
two
years
late
already
and
that's
what
Islanders
out
there
want
to
know
on
the
cost
of
finishing
these
ferries
Tara
SETI?
C
What
would
the
cost
be
to
complete
these
ferries,
given
that
they
are
now
100%
over
budget
and
on
the
future
of
the
yard
cabinet
secretary?
Will
your
plans
to
nationalize
the
art
create
more
or
less
jobs
than
the
plans
that
the
Ferguson
owners
already
had
to
grow
the
business
because,
for
the
sake
of
transparency?
C
B
B
Program
demands
on
questions
today
in
terms
of
cost
I've
been
clear
it
to
the
public
already
that
I'm
establishing
a
program
review
board
that
will
look
at
the
course
and
the
time
skew
for
completion
the
vessels
and
the
other
work
already
at
the
yard.
Now
mr.
green
will
understand
that
not
having
had
certainty
for
from
F
mail
in
terms
of
the
current
cost
possession
current
time
scale
possession.
B
Then
we
deserve
the
time
to
ensure
that
when
I
present
that
time
scale
and
those
course
is
robust
and
stands
up
to
scrutiny,
so
we
will
get
those
figures
to
Parliament
as
soon
as
I
have
them.
Of
course,
I
will
commit
to
transparency
and
that's
why
I'm
making
myself
available
in
terms
of
the
dispute
between
Cemal
a
and
F
mail
itself,
the
where
government
process
we
did
try
a
and
assess
as
I
say
we
have
had
opinion
a
look
at
last.
We
have
had
procurement
officials.
Look
at
this.
B
We
have
gone
through
all
of
this
to
ensure
that
there
was
a
necessary
diligence
that
anyone
would
expect.
But,
let's
just
bear
in
mind,
this
was
design
and
boat
contract.
This
was
a
fixed
price
contract
and
in
terms
of
the
loans
that
were
provided,
I've
offered
that
information
to
the
Finance
Committee.
So
the
reality
is
here,
despite
the
pejorative
language
used
by
the
Conservatives.
When
it
came
to
actions
we
have
invested
in
the
yard,
we
have
saved
those
jobs.
We
will
give
Ferguson's
a
future.
B
D
Of
the
statement
leave
a
supports
action
that
secures
the
jobs
at
the
Port
Glasgow
shipbuilders,
the
workforce
at
the
yard
have
been
caught
in
the
middle
of
a
dispute
that
was
not
of
the
army
and
their
skills.
Their
expertise,
however,
will
be
crucial
to
get
as
though
of
that
places
we
saw
to
what
we
fully
understand
and
what
caused
it.
In
the
first
place,
we've
had
two
years
of
claim
and
counterclaim
between
Ferguson's
and
CML
over
whether
a
contract
and
process
that's
fail
to
deliver
was
ever
fit
for
purpose
in
the
first
place.
D
So
there's
a
cabinet
say
it
did
not
accept
that
not
only
does
not
need
to
be
a
proper
inquiry
into
events,
I've
laid
to
the
yard
going
into
administration,
but
in
the
long
term,
and
the
absence
of
the
proper
national
shipbuilding
strategy
from
the
government,
the
workforce
have
been
calling
for
time
and
time
again.
Well,
the
cabinet
said
to
tell
us
and
more
importantly,
than
what
force
we're
exactly
well
the
what
come
from
that
will
secure
that
yard
and
others
in
the
future.
Gadna.
B
I
mean
I
appreciate
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
the
Labour
Party
and
I
hope
that
it
can
tell
you
to
cooperate
with
me
to
try
and
ensure
that
the
yard
does
have
a
future,
because
that
is
exactly
what
I
am
working
towards:
completing
the
vessels.
All
of
the
construction
can
underway
at
the
yard,
securing
the
jobs
into
the
future
and
giving
the
yard
a
future,
and
there
are
further
decisions
to
be
taken.
A
that
will
will
achieve
a
outcome.
But
that's
my
objectives.
B
I
said
it
to
the
workforce:
to
accuse
me
of
a
lack
of
a
transparency,
of
course,
as
the
Conservatives
have
tried
to
do
on
Parliament's
first
day,
back
I'm,
getting
a
statement
and
I'm
answering
your
questions
and
making
myself
available
to
the
Finance
Committee
I'll
answer,
questions
that
are
asked
of
me,
but
be
under
no
illusion
of
my
objectives.
Save
Ferguson's
gather
a
future,
protect
those
workers
and
their
families
by
protecting
our
jobs
and
ensure
that
we
complete
the
vessels
that
are
required
by
the
kalmyk
fleet.
A
E
You
very
much
upsetting
awesome
thing,
also
at
least
ask
the
cabinet
secretary,
if
you
can
provide
further
information
on
who
has
action
as
the
face
of
actions
actually
helped
with
the
security
and
also
the
stability
of
employment
of
the
art,
and
how
does
he
see
this
progressing
in
the
coming
months?
This
is
very
much
to
start
contrast
to
autoloader
today
from
the
Tories
who
actually
want
that
yard
to
shut
cabinet
secretary,
but.
B
Let's
just
be
remain
presiding
officer,
they're
essentially
by
the
company
directors
heading
for
administration.
If
the
government
hadn't
taken
the
action
it
has
taken
and
the
yard
would
have
been
closed,
I
believe
that
jobs
would
have
been
lost
in
the
vessels
may
never
have
been
complete
by
the
government's
actions.
The
yard
remains
open,
not
you
know,
we
have
ensured
we've
saved
the
jobs
will
gather
a
future.
That's
my
commitment
and
we'll
complete
the
vessels.
That
is
the
type
of
action
that
the
people
of
Scotland
expect.
It
was
in
the
local
interest.
B
F
You
presiding
officer,
we
have
known
for
two
years
about
the
dispute
between
C
mal,
a
wholly-owned
Scottish
government
company
and
Jim
McCall,
one
of
the
First
Minister's
own
economic
advisors.
For
two
years,
Jim
McCall
has
been
asking
the
Scottish
government
to
intervene.
Why
did
it
take
the
Scottish
government
two
years
to
do
anything?
Is
it
true
that
the
Cemal
board
threatened
to
resign
on
mass
if
the
Scottish
government
intervened
and
how
much
is
this
delay
in
acting
cost
of
tax.
B
A
B
Absolutely
no
Attili.
In
acting,
we
have
ensured
and
master
wheelhouse
I'm
delighted
design.
The
chamber
has
been
updating
Parliament
in
terms
of
the
issues
that
I'm
timetabling
the
information
that
we've
received
essentially
hear
from
eighth
male,
a
as
information
was
presented.
Me
I
have
engaged
with
officials
to
probe
information
to
try
and
ensure
that
it
was
the
necessary
a
war
going
on
between
here,
Klein
and
contractor
I
feel
like
between
C
mile
and
F
mil.
There
was
government
intervention
around
the
loans
to
support
the
diversification
of
the
yard.
We've
tried
to
provide
that
commercial
support.
B
However,
when
push
came
to
shove
in
the
yard
was
heading
for
administration,
jobs
could
have
been
lost,
their
vessels
might
not
have
been
complete,
there's
a
range
of
actions
over
the
last
two
years,
but
when
push
came
to
shove,
when
push
came
to
shove,
what
has
happened
is
it's
quite
clear
from
the
Conservatives
noise
that
they
would
have
walked
away,
they
would
have
lost
the
jobs
that
vessels
wouldn't
have
been
complete
and
the
yard
were
topping
closed.
Why
do
I
know?
B
That's
the
case
because
there
is
actually
another
shut
yard
in
the
United
Kingdom
right
now
that
the
UK
government
has
said
there
is
no
rule
for
bayamón,
because
it
is
a
commercial
matter,
but
we
happen
to
believe
that
people's
livelihoods
and
their
jobs
do
matter.
This
was
the
REA
economic
industrial
intervention
and
that's
why
we're
going
to
see
it
through?
We
have.
We
have
absolutely
acted
in
good
faith
throughout
and
the
people
of
Enver
quite
see
that
Alistair.
G
The
secretary
has
acknowledged
Island
communities,
not
least
those
in
my
own
constituency
in
North,
Uist
and
Harris
waited
a
long
time
for
these
vessels
to
enter
service,
with
estimated
dates
of
completion
continually
being
put
back.
When
does
cabinet
secretary
anticipate,
the
island
communities
will
have
reliable
information
about
when
these
new
ferries
will
be
delivered.
Given
the
existing
pressures
on
the
colomac
suite
cabinet
secretary.
A
H
It
is
true
cabinet
secretary
that
Ferguson's
asked
you
and
the
First
Minister
time
and
time
again
to
intercede.
It
is
true,
they
are
female,
at
least
fourteen
times
to
agree
an
independent
naval,
architect
and
marine
engineer
to
resolve
the
problem.
14
times
Cemal
said
no,
the
Scottish
government
and
its
agencies,
email
showed.
No
leadership
did
little
to
support
the
work
force
earlier
on
and
refused
help
from
independent
experts.
So
will
the
cabinet
secretary
now
shows
some
leadership
and
he
sort
out
Simo
cabinets.
B
Sacred
the
workforce
say
Ferguson's,
who
I
visited
on
the
day
that
the
Scottish
government
pursued
public
control
actually
welcomed.
The
intervention
of
the
Scottish
government
I
will
take
the
views
of
the
workforce
from
the
workforce
and
not
from
Jackie
Bailey's
press
releases.
If
you'll,
forgive
me
it
for
doing
that,
we
have
shown
leadership
on
this
issue.
We
have
intervened
to
ensure
that
Ferguson's
will
have
a
future.
B
We
have
also,
throughout
this
period,
try
to
ensure
there
was
a
commercial
way
forward
for
F
mail
and
for
Ferguson's,
but
here's
the
thing
presiding
officer,
ministers
of
the
Scottish
government
must
act
in
terms
of
values
for
money
and
the
public
interest
and
within
the
law.
If
there
was
a
viable
commercial
solution
to
this,
I
would
like
preferred
to
have
pursued
that
legal,
competent,
viable
solution.
B
I
Cabinet
secretary,
how
many
jobs
in
total,
including
the
supply
chain,
had
been
lost
if
we
had
just
abandoned
the
yard
to
market
forces
as
the
Tories
believe
we
should
and
how
much
longer
we're
they
lenders
on
our
and
the
Hebrides
have
to
wait
for
the
new
ferries.
If
FME
L
had
been
allowed
to
close,
which,
for
ideological
reasons,
the
Tories
seemed
happy
to
see
cabinet.
B
B
In
terms
of
that
approach
and
administration,
those
I
believe
were
the
jobs
that
were
risk
and
I
should
say
that
we
have
in
moving
so
quickly
tried
to
ensure
that,
at
the
point
we
were
able
to
intervene
in
terms
of
public
control
that
new
staff
will
let
go
at
that
point
and
I
think
that's
significant,
because
when
you
look
at
the
further
work
they
will
be
required.
We
will
clearly
have
to
look
very
positively
employment
going
forward,
but
been
very
clear.
B
J
You
officer,
Cavanaugh
chickadee,
the
Scottish
Green
Party
support
your
action
and
taking
control
there,
but
you
will
also
be
aware
that
there's
an
aging
fleet
and
resolving
matters
for
these
two
bases,
isn't
it
sufficient?
The
and
the
future
of
the
this
aging
fleet
and
the
replacement
thereof,
can't
be
conditional
on
private
profit
using
your
own
words
cabinet
secretary?
Well,
you
see
it
through.
Will
you
secure
that
long-term
future
and
keep
this
yard
and
public
ownership
cabinet
secrets.
B
A
very
good
question
that
public
ownership
and
public
control
public
control
could
lead
to
public
ownership
in
terms
of
the
decisions
of
the
administrators.
It's
not
actually
an
ideological
possession.
The
greens
may
take
ad
after
possession
yeah.
It
was
actually
the
pragmatic
intervention
to
achieve
the
objectives
being
the
jobs
the
vessels
and
the
yard
I
actually
want
the
optimal
structure
that
gives
max
my
moment
of
work.
The
Ferguson
saw
that
it
has
a
future
and
we
will
look
and,
of
course
you
know
it
then
comes
back
to
the
question
about.
B
Do
we
need
to
replace
and
invest
and
the
ferry
fleet?
Yes,
we
do,
but
is
there
the
prospect
of
other
work
potentially
going
to
Ferguson's
as
well?
Yes,
there
is
so
I'm
taking
this
on
a
case-by-case
basis
in
terms
of
the
right
economic
intervention,
making
sure
that
our
structures
optimize
the
amount
of
work
that
can
go
there
now
it
is
in
the
hands
of
the
administrators
as
to
the
outcome
of
that
process,
but
clearly,
we've
been
a
very
strong
position
in
terms
of
public
control
and
public
ownership.
B
Well,
I'm,
not
the
accountable
manastar
in
terms
of
some
other
reason
but
easily
the
reason
I'm
making
that
point
is
I,
am
answering
in
terms
of
finance
and
economy.
I
am
not
aware
of
this.
A
positioning
that's
been
expressed
to
me
and
I'm.
Answering
your
questions.
I
really
do
think
the
opposition
should
look,
should
look
to
the
facts
that
have
been
expressed
in
Parliament
today,
rather
than
the
headlines
that
they
would
like
to
believe
are
true.
Alec.
K
I
ask
the
cabinet
secretary
in
the
interest
of
transparency.
Well,
he
published
the
reports
and
the
correspondence
of
the
Commodore
who
was
appointed
to
undertake
a
review
of
the
contract
and
the
performance
of
Ferguson
marine,
because
it
seems
reasonable
that
that
should
be
in
the
public
domain.
And
my
second
question
is.
B
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
clearly
the
government
in
legal
advice-
it's
you-
know,
within
the
code
of
conduct
in
the
ministerial
code
that
it's
held
in
private.
But
what
I'm
saying
is
I'm
engaging
with
Parliament
today
I
understand
I'm,
seeing
the
Finance
Committee
last
week.
That
may
well
be
in
private
session.
If
Parliament
wants
to
pursue
further
information,
I
think
I've
said:
I
want
to
be
as
transparent
as
possible,
but
I
really
do
think.
B
It
would
be
wise
of
all
members
in
the
chamber
to
fully
consider
all
of
the
facts,
rather
than
some
aspects
of
the
facts
that
you
know
might
choose
a
political
narrative
or
political
argument.
So
I
am
trying
to
be
as
transparent
as
I,
possibly
can
by
answering
these
questions,
and
there
is
a
range
of
information
that
we
should
consider
here.
But
fundamentally,
ministers
have
to
act
within
the
law
and
that's
what
I've
done.
I've
acted
within
the
law
and
advice
that
I
have
been
given
and.
L
B
Should
probably
just
but
if
you're
talking
about
the
impending
announcement
at
defense,
Amod
contracts,
that's
what
the
man
was
referring
to.
Specifically
then
I
should
say:
okay,
so
the
member
isn't
quite
sure
what
he's
asking
about.
That's
fine!
Now
what
I'm
saying?
What
I
will
then
confirm
is
what
I've
already
said
to
Parliament
presiding
officer,
that
we
will
ensure
that
the
governance
Arrangements
the
structures
optimise
their
moment
of
work,
that
the
yard
can
receive
be
their
choices
around
those
governance
arrangements.
B
If
it
is
the
case
that
we
are
in
terms
of
going
from
public
control
to
public
ownership,
then
there
are
issues
about
how
the
company
could
be
structured
to
do
complimentary.
What,
as
well
as
that
and
what
I'm
very
focused
on,
because
there
is
that
you
know
the
potential
of
other
work
and
we
want
a
structure
that
ensures
that
ferguson's
can
take
the
work
that
may
be
and
play.
Should
that
be
the
intention
of
a
preferred
better
in
terms
of
contracts
currently
in
play.
B
So
no
I,
don't
believe
I,
don't
believe
to
answer
the
question
that
the
government's
actions
with
detail
work
coming
to
the
app
because
I'm
making
it
clear
what
our
objectives
are
and
the
structural
ensure
that
we
can
optimize
those
opportunities
and
I
hope
the
min,
but
understands
what
I'm
telling
him
and
that
he
does
understand
that
then
he'll
know
it's
the
best
interest
of
the
out.
Thank.