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A
Thank
you,
the
nitesite
or
businesses
repeater
motion,
one
eight,
eight,
five
aneema
fueling
Hislop
on
the
impact
of
UK
government's
family
migration
policy
in
Scotland
class
was
member
wish
to
speak
Libya
to
press
the
request
history.
Once
now,
I
call
him
here
his
Lord
to
speak
to
and
moved
the
motion
cabinet
secretary
named
in
its
quizon
presiding.
B
Officer
I
welcome
the
opportunity
to
focus
on
an
issue
which
affects
families
and
communities
across
Scotland.
Many
members
in
the
chamber
will
have
had
experience
of
intervening
on
behalf
of
constituents
who
face
the
prospect
of
family
separation
because
of
the
UK
government's
family
immigration
rules.
The
UK
government's
approach
to
migration
is
simply
not
working
for
Scotland.
We
face
different
challenges
in
relation
to
population,
demography
and
reality.
Our
population
is
aging,
while
our
working
age,
population
and
the
proportion
of
children
and
young
people
are
falling.
B
All
of
our
population
growth
is
projected
to
come
from
inward
migration.
Last
year,
14
of
our
thought,
local
authorities
experienced
depopulation,
Scotland
needs
people
to
come
here
to
bring
their
families
and
to
build
their
lives.
Here
there
is
a
practical
case
for
change,
but
there
is
also
a
moral
case.
This
goes
to
the
heart
of
what
type
of
country
we
want
to
be.
Are
we
a
welcoming
country,
a
country
that
prioritizes
the
needs
of
Children
and
Families,
or
a
country
that
forces
people
to
choose
between
living
in
their
home
country
or
with
their
loved
ones?
B
It
has,
of
course,
been
a
busy
few
G
days
for
emigration.
We've
had
a
whole
series
of
changes
to
immigration
rules,
102
pages,
which
tells
us
something
about
the
complexity
of
the
immigration
system.
The
UK
government
has
announced
proposals
for
a
three-year
European
temporary
leave
to
remain
visa
route
and
the
welcome
if
long-overdue
announcement
on
the
reinstatement
of
a
post
study
work
visa
residing
officer.
The
reinstatement
of
a
post
study
work
visa
is
testament
to
the
hard
work
over
many
years
of
elected
members,
universities,
employers
and
partners
across
Scotland.
B
The
announcement
last
week
shows
that
when
there
is
a
clear
evidence
base
for
change
when
we
work
to
and
with
partners,
we
can
make
a
difference.
We
can
secure
change
in
the
system
and
we
need
that
change.
Let
me
be
clear:
the
evidence
base
for
a
change
to
family
migration
policy
is
there.
Since
2012,
the
UK
government
has
steadily
eroded
the
family
reunification
rights
of
UK
citizens,
introducing
a
minimum
income
threshold
of
18,000
pounds
600,
which
rat
rises.
B
These
figures
represent
thousands
of
families
across
the
UK
forced
into
separation,
told
by
the
UK
government,
to
rely
on
emails
text
messages
and
video
calls
to
maintain
their
family
life
in
2015.
The
migration
observatory
published
data,
showing
that
58
percent
of
people
in
Scotland
did
not
meet
the
financial
thresholds
to
bring
a
non
UK
spouse
and
two
children
into
the
UK
through
the
family
migration
route.
This
is
a
policy
that
has
a
greater
negative
impact
on
women
on
young
people
and
on
people
living
outside
London.
B
The
Children's
Commissioner
for
England
has
published
research
estimating
that
almost
15,000
children
are
growing
up
in
so-called
skype
families
because
their
parents
cannot
live
together
in
the
UK
because
of
family
migration
rules.
As
the
report
states,
thousands
of
children
are
being
forced
to
grow
up
without
a
parent
solely
as
a
result
of
these
rules.
Presiding
officer,
the
UK's
family's
migration
policies
are
the
direct
legacy
of
a
hostile
environment
policy,
underpinned
by
an
irrational
and
unachievable
target
to
reduce
net
migration
to
the
tens
of.
B
B
People
have
moved
across,
Europe
have
fallen
in
love,
had
children
and
established
their
lives
safe
in
the
knowledge
that,
wherever
they
chose
to
put
down
roots,
their
free
movement
rights
would
allow
them
to
return
home
with
their
families,
but
the
UK
government's
determination
to
end
free
movement
threatens
this
security
in
a
door
No
Deal
scenario.
Once
free
movement
ends,
UK
families
in
the
rest
of
Europe
will
be
subject
to
the
full
weight
of
the
UK
government's
punitive
approach
to
family
migration.
Should
they
wish
to
return
to
the
UK
presiding
officer?
B
That
is
why
we
are
calling
for
the
UK
government
to
take
a
different
approach
to
family
migration,
to
improve
the
rights
of
people
in
Scotland
to
bring
closed
family
into
the
country
with
them,
because
this
kind
of
migration
is
crucial
to
Scotland's.
Future
I've
talked
about
evidence,
but
there
are
real
people
behind
each
of
these
statistics.
Real
families
and
real
children
take
the
case
of
auntie
Duffy
and
Julianne
Kalyani
newlyweds
from
Edinburgh,
who
were
told
by
the
Home
Office
that
they
didn't
earn
enough
to
meet
the
minimum
income
threshold.
B
They
have
been
forced
to
live
apart
for
almost
their
entire
marriage.
This
simply
cannot
be
right.
It
is
also
not
right.
The
children
who
were
born
in
Scotland,
who
were
spent
their
formative
years
here,
can
be
ordered
to
leave
so
easily
Denzil
donk,
who
spent
his
formative
years
in
the
UK,
was
a
Queen's
Baton
relay
holder
for
the
ghazal
Commonwealth
Games
and
had
been
studying
at
Stirling
University
to
become
a
nurse.
Despite
this,
his
application
to
stay
was
refused
and
he
was
told
to
leave
the
UK
for
high-profile
media
and
mysterio
interventions.
B
He
was
rightly
granted
permanent
residents.
The
Habib
mehran's,
an
elderly
couple
from
Edinburgh
have
been
in
the
UK
on
and
off
for
40
years
with
the
four
British
children
and
11
grandchildren.
The
actors
is
co-parents
to
one
of
the
grandchildren
allowing
the
boy's
mother
to
continue
her
work
as
an
NHS
nurse.
Despite
this,
they
were
ordered
to
leave
the
UK
because
they
were
not
considered
to
be
close
family
members.
Happily,
following
a
campaign
by
the
community,
the
Habib
Maroons
were
eventually
allowed
to
steam.
B
I
welcome
the
fact
that
Home
Office
ministers
changed
their
minds
on
some
cases.
Yet
in
each
of
these
cases,
the
families,
the
communities,
often
supported
by
elected
members,
have
had
to
fight
every
step
of
the
way
to
change
that
decision.
While
some
families
have
received
good
news,
many
other
families
face
being
torn
apart.
What
we
need
is
a
broader
discussion
about
whether
the
family
migration
rules
are
fit
for
purpose.
B
That
is
why
the
Scottish
Government
will
shortly
commission
the
expert
advisory
group
on
migration
and
population
to
look
more
closely
at
the
impact
current
family
migration
rules
have
on
families
in
Scotland,
with
particular
regard
to
the
impact
on
areas
of
devolved
responsibility.
So
presiding
officer,
my
call
to
calls
across
this
chamber
is:
let
us
speak
clearly
and
seek
to
make
a
difference
for
families
and
communities
across
Scotland.
B
A
C
The
UK
government
has
taken
note
of
some
of
these
concerns
and
there
is
now
been
a
raft
of
migration
policies
that
have
come
out
recently
and
we
welcome
these
and
I
said
that
if
the
UK
leaves
the
EU
without
ideal,
freedom
of
human
will
end,
we
want
a
deal.
We
should
do
all
we
can
to
achieve
ideal,
but
EU
citizens
rights
will
be
guaranteed
and
they
will
see
and
be
covered
by.
The
free
templates
leave
to
remain
scheme
until
the
new
migration
system
comes
live.
This
will
ensure
minimum
disruption.
C
While
we
put
together
the
arrangements
to
chart
the
new
course
for
migration
in
anticipation
of
changes
of
the
policy
time
is
tight.
I'd
like
to
pick
some
progress
at
the
moment.
Thank
you.
In
anticipation
of
changes
to
the
migration
policy
falling
breaks
that
the
UK
government
has
now
commissioned
the
migration
advisory
committee
to
assess
international
points
based
models.
This
is
in
preparation
for
the
UK
moving
towards
a
point
based
immigration
system
that
will
ensure
that
we
continue
to
attract
the
best
and
the
brightest
from
around
the
world
can.
A
C
You
this
will
mean
that
we
can
prioritize
what
people
can
contribute,
just
go
and
and
the
UK
rather
than
where
they
come
from,
indeed,
is
exactly
the
same
type
of
immigration
system
that
the
SMP
proposed
for
an
independent
Scotland
in
their
2013
white
paper
on
separation.
All
too
often
in
recent
years,
however,
politicians
have
spent
significant
amounts
of
time
and
energy
blaming
Westminster
and
criticising
the
UK
government
for
their
immigration
policy,
and
we
acknowledge
that
presiding
officer.
C
We
have
been
uncomfortable
in
the
Scottish
Conservatives
about
that
process
and
we
have
challenged
and
we
continue
to
challenge.
Indeed,
we
should
be
looking
to
have
a
constructive
dialogue
about
how
we
can
deliver
a
better
immigration
policy
that
works
for
all
and
that
works
for
Scotland.
That
is
what
the
Scottish
kin
services
hope.
B
B
Appreciate
the
points
the
members
making
it's
taken-
seven
long
years
too,
for
the
Tories
to
undo
the
damage
that
has
been
done,
but
in
the
spirit
of
what
he's
saying,
particularly
in
relation
to
the
subject
of
this
debate,
which
is
family
migration,
would
he
join
with
us
on
my
colleague,
Ben
McPherson,
as
other
members
of
other
parties
have
done
to
work
constructively
to
present
a
case
on
behalf
of
all
of
the
Scottish
Parliament,
to
try
and
influence
the
changes
that
are
about
to
take
place
in
relation
to
the
development
of
that
immigration
policy?
Mr.
C
Back,
thank
you,
I
think.
If
there
is
the
need
for
us
to
try
and
come
together,
I
don't
see
that
should
be
any
obstacles
and
trying
to
achieve
that
because,
as
as
you
were
rightly
pointed
out,
working
together,
we
can
achieve
things,
and
we
have
done
that
in
the
past.
So
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
have
some
dialogue
going
forward.
C
That
is
why
the
Scottish
Conservatives
have
always
done
when
it
comes
to
the
UK
migration
policy.
We
have
always
intimated
and
agreed
that
our
Westminster
colleagues
and
we
have
not
always
agreed
with
them
when
it
comes
to
where
they
want
to
take
us
and
what
they
wanted
to
approach,
but
we
have
been
positive
and
proactive
and
suggesting
what
they
can
do
and
where
we
should
be
going
and
that
has
paid
some
dividends
for
us.
C
We
call
for
the
scheme
that
we
ensure
that
the
agricultural
sector
would
continue
to
have
access
to
seasonal
workers
after
brexit
and
the
UK
government
has
listened,
and
earlier
this
year
began
a
pilot
for
2,000
I,
funded
non-eu
agricultural
workers
and
runs
until
December.
Next
year,
we
have
long
campaigned
for
an
enhanced
postal
work
visa
to
support
Scottish,
higher
education
and
research
sectors,
as
well
as
disgusting
that
has
been
discussed
already
in
the
chamber
and
I
pay
tribute
this
week
to
Liz
Smith
and
to
the
Davison.
C
Once
again,
the
UK
government
has
listened,
and
it's
just
introduced,
a
two-year
study,
work
visa
and
their
the
anxiety
that
we've
already
heard
and
the
collaboration
that
needs
to
take
place
between
Westminster
and
Hollywood
is
exactly
what
the
people
expect
us
to
do,
and
they
deserve
to
do
so.
As
I
said
Minister,
it's
very
good
that
we
talked
and
we
have
that
dialogue,
because
I
do
believe
having
that
it
can
achieve
more
for
us.
The
same
principle
applies
when
it
comes
to
the
debate
around
family
migration.
C
Under
the
current
system,
there
are
some
restrictions
on
family
members
who
wish
to
migrate
to
the
UK
from
non-iea
countries.
Partners
of
British
citizens
required
a
visa
to
come
and
live
in
the
UK
for
six
months
or
more.
They
must
be
able
to
demonstrate
certain
levels
of
proficiency
in
English,
language
and
minimal
salary,
and
that's
already
been
talked
about.
As
we
talk
about
emigration,
family
migration,
it's
a
very
controversial
and
emotive
issue.
It
is
a
very
normal
and
indeed
an
innate
human
desire
for
members
of
families
to
want
to
be
close
to
one
another.
C
No
one
wants
to
see
children
forced
to
live.
No
one
wants
to
see
children
forced
to
live
thousands
of
miles
away
or
for
people
to
have
being
able
to
care
for
elderly
relatives.
The
current
UK
family
migration
rules
primarily
admits
prices
and
supports
children.
While
there
are
greater
restrictions
on
elder
relatives
who
want
to
come
here,
family
migration
is
something
which
we
all
want
to
do
to
accommodate
the
best
we
can.
C
But
we
need
a
family
migration
system
that
is
fair
for
people
from
all
countries,
while
ensuring
that
those
family
members
who
migrate
UK
have
appropriate
opportunities.
As
we've
said
since
the
desire
to
leave
the
European
Union,
we
have
an
opportunity
and
agree
opportunity
for
us
to
create
a
fundamentally
better
immigration
system
for
the
whole
of
the
United
Kingdom.
C
In
conclusion,
presiding
officer,
we
in
the
Scottish
Conservatives
very
much
welcome
the
government's
plans
to
review
the
migration
system,
including
family
migration,
and
hope
that
all
parties
can
work
together
constructively
across
the
chamber
to
work
with
the
UK
government
to
find
solutions.
It's
about
finding
solutions
that
work
better
for
individuals
and
for
Scotland.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
Please
Thank
You
presiding
officer
I
welcome
this
afternoon's
to
be
on
family
migration
policy.
As
the
cabinet
sector
said,
the
announcement
on
the
posted,
a
work
visa
is
very
welcome
and
the
cross
party
effort
in
Scotland
should
be
recognized.
It
is
a
small
step
in
the
right
direction,
but
we
need
more.
We
know
that
Scotland
is
facing
serious
demographic
challenges
and
that
migration
will
play
an
important
part
in
addressing
our
needs
and
health
care
and
education
and
in
many
industries
in
this
afternoon's
debate.
There
are
two
issues
to
consider.
D
First,
how
the
current
immigration
system
is
damaging
to
family
migration
has
inherent
inequalities
and
its
operation
and
the
impact
it's
having
on
people
who
want
to
make
their
homes
here
in
Scotland
and
across
the
UK.
Secondly,
it
is
to
consider
what
future
immigration
policy
will
look
like
after
the
UK
at
least
EU
and
have
a
continuation
of
the
current
approach
will
damage
an
economy,
our
society
and
our
culture.
D
This
afternoon,
Scottish
Labour,
it
will
be
supporting
the
Scottish
Government
motion,
our
2015
manifesto
committed
to
scrapping
the
minimum
income
threshold,
which
was
introduced
by
the
conservative
liberal
coalition
and
2012
setting
an
annual
income
of
eighteen
thousand
pound
six
hundred
rising
to
22
thousand
pounds
400
for
one
child
with
a
further
two
thousand
four
hundred
pounds
which
traditional
child
places
a
barrier
to
family
reunification
for
those
on
Lord
and
mortar
incomes.
The
surprise
aquila
to
a
non
EEE
citizen,
who
is
a
partner
of
a
British
citizen
or
a
non
British
citizen
with
indefinite
leave.
D
To
the
mean
this
policy
discriminates
against
working
people
on
lured
incomes,
people
who
will
often
be
doing
work,
which
is
vital
to
our
economy
and
our
social
fabric
and
in
jobs
which
are
sometimes
difficult
to
decrypt
to
the
sheriff
increasing
incomes
for
each
child.
Father
discriminates
against
families
and
splits
piensan
child.
The
child's
policy,
although
upheld
by
the
Supreme
Court,
was
criticized
for
the
lack
of
safeguards
for
the
welfare
of
children.
D
The
conservatives
obsession
with
reducing
immigration
in
the
face
of
evidence
over
the
benefits
of
emigration,
led
them
to
treat
families
in
the
same
way
as
any
other
migration
and
continue
with
a
policy
that
puts
family
reunification
beyond
the
means
of
too
many
people.
This
is
an
approach
which
must
be
changed
if
the
UK
is
to
uphold
values
of
compassion
and
fairness.
A
report
by
Oxfam
on
the
refugee
Council
in
2018
found
that
three-quarters
of
refugee
families
in
the
UK
have
been
separated
from
relatives
who
are
not
eligible
for
family
reunification.
D
Government
policy
continues
to
break
up
families
and
we
need
to
change
that
approach
so
that
it
recognizes
the
right
to
family
life
and
the
need
for
vulnerable
people
who
are
here
legitimately,
to
support
of
their
family.
So
we
have
seen
a
steady
erosion
of
the
family
reunification
rights
of
UK
citizens.
We
now
live
in
a
global
economy
and
this
impacts
on
the
world
of
relationships
as
well
as
industry.
There
does
need
to
be
a
process
of
checks
and
balances
when
relationships
require
immigration
rules,
but
they
need
to
be
fair,
transparent
and
reasonable.
D
We
have
a
responsibility
to
UK
citizens
to
appreciate
the
way
in
which
the
world
has
changed
and
have
an
immigration
system
that
reasonably
supports
their
decisions.
It
is
very
concerning
that
leaving
the
EU
under
the
current
proposals
will
mean
that
freedom
of
movement
for
EU
citizens
will
be
replaced.
Was
the
current
family
migration
policies
for
families
who
currently
live
in
the
UK?
They
have
access
to
the
settled
status
scheme
and
recent
weeks
I've
met
with
the
Paris.
D
The
white
papers
focused
on
income
and
economic
needs
does
not
recognize
the
human
factor
which
is
needed
in
an
immigration
system
which
can
bring
long-lasting
benefits
to
our
country.
People
need
the
opportunity
to
not
only
work
in
the
UK,
but
also
settle
in
the
UK,
to
have
a
family,
to
contribute
to
community
life,
to
bring
diversity
and
enhance
their
society.
There
is
evidence
to
show
that
those
who
come
as
family
migrants
are
more
likely
to
settle
in
the
UK
long
term
compared
to
they.
D
Those
who
are
here
to
study
or
work
Scotland's,
Democratic
Challenge
shows
that
we
need
more
migrants
who
take
that
decision,
and
we
have
a
history
as
the
rest
of
UK
does
of
containing
settled
communities
who
make
significant
contributions
to
our
country.
The
focus
of
today's
DB
is
the
need
for
urgent
change
to
the
UK
government's
restrictive
family
migration
policies
damaging
to
families,
but
also
to
society
and
the
economy.
We
can
send
a
strong
message
of
the
need
for
change.
F
You,
presiding
officer
and
I
welcome
the
government's
motion
on
this
issue.
Today,
however,
I
I
do
feel
it's
worded
very
diplomatically.
It
says
that
the
UK
has
the
least
family-friendly
immigration
policies
in
the
developed
world.
I,
don't
think
this
fully
captures
the
horror
and
the
callousness
of
the
UK
government's
immigration
policies
there.
The
UK
government
is
not
just
at
least
family-friendly.
It
is
overtly
hostile
and
racist.
F
Last
week
my
colleague,
Ross
Correa,
highlighted
a
couple
of
end
of
it.
Your
cases,
the
example
of
the
home
office
officials
who
were
alleged
to
have
lied
to
their
European
counterparts
in
order
to
illegally
deport
the
child's
trafficking
victims,
but
there
are
many
other
such
examples,
we're
all
familiar
with
examples
from
the
when
Drew's
generation,
for
example,
they
include
Paulette
Wilson,
a
mother
and
grandmother
who
was
detained
by
the
Home
Office
and
threatened
with
a
deportation
to
a
country
she
left
as
a
child.
F
50
years
previously,
she
was
minutes
away
from
deportation
to
Jamaica
before
receiving
a
reprieve.
Richard
Stewart
was
a
father.
He
was
told
that
he'd
overstayed
and
was
denied
a
passport
when
he
wanted
to
visit
his
mother's
grave
and
Jamaica.
He
died
before
he's
receiving
an
apology
or
any
compensation
from
the
UK
government.
Sarah
O'conner,
a
mother
was
denied
benefits
due
to
not
having
a
passport
and
was
unable
to
get
a
job.
She
ended
up
having
to
declare
bankruptcy
and
she
also
decided
died
before
receiving
an
apology
or
compensation.
F
F
They
used
a
child's
medical
records
comments.
She
had
provided
when
suicidal
to
a
psychiatric
nurse
in
an
attempt
to
deport
a
family
to
Albania
by
claiming
that
they
were
lying
about
their
asylum
application.
How
many
families
have
been
thrown
into
turmoil
because
of
the
racism
and
incompetence
of
the
Home
Office?
These
are
examples
of
the
results
of
deliberate
government
policy.
Now
some
changes
have
been
made
following
the
the
wind
rush
revelations,
but
for
the
most
part,
these
policies
remain
and
in
fact
the
government
continues
to
make
the
hostile
environment
even
worse.
F
They've
now
announced
that
they
intend
to
end
family
reunification
for
child
asylum
seekers,
known
as
the
Dublin
regulation
if
they
succeed
in
taking
the
UK
out
of
the
Europe
out
to
the
EU
without
a
deal,
and
we
have
to
remember
that
many
of
these
policies
originate
from
before
2015.
It
wasn't
just
the
current
Conservative
government
when
they
were
introduced.
They
were
aided
and
abetted
by
the
Liberal
Democrats
and
prior
to
that
New
Labour
also
oversaw
the
detention
of
thousands
of
children
for
immigration
purposes.
F
The
scale
of
these
problems
are
too
great
to
solve,
with
a
few
policy
changes
at
the
edges.
It's
not
just
that
this
isn't
working
for
Scotland.
If
a
hostile
environment
did
work
for
Scotland,
it
would
still
be
wrong.
It
doesn't
work
for
people.
It's
clear
that
racism
is
embedded
in
the
home
office.
That
organisation
itself
must
be
abolished.
If
we're
going
to
achieve
a
migration
system
that
is
based
on
compassion
and
support.
E
G
E
H
Thank
You
presiding
officer,
it's
no
exaggeration
to
say
that
the
UK
is
family.
Migration
policy
is
one
of
the
least
family-friendly
immigration
policies
and
they
all
told
the
2015
migration
and
ignition
poor
Sendak
stated
that
the
UK
had
one
of
the
most
restrictive,
an
expensive
path
to
settle
permanently
and
become
UK
citizens
and
remembered
as
Patrick
Harris
just
said
that
research
was
compelled
before
the
brakes
of
all
copped
and
governed.
The
rhetoric
taking
place
just
know,
I,
don't
believe
in
the
EU.
H
I
cannot
imagine
that
these
policies
will
become
any
more
open
and
the
foreseeable
future.
Just
last
year
we
saw
the
UK
government's
appalling
treatment
of
the
wondrous
generation
and
that's
not
the
type
of
policy.
We
should
rush
to
have
fear
and
Scotland,
perhaps
present.
No,
so
the
UK
government's
approach
could
be
based
on
doctored
from
trees,
amis
2013
statement.
When
I
quote
she
said
we
can
deport
first
and
hear
appeals
later
and
also
I
quote
again.
H
There
are
some
who
seem
to
think
that
the
right
to
family
life
she'd
always
take
precedence
over
public
interest
and
emigration,
control
and
I
wonder
preside
most
of
the
Tory
members
here
today
with
clear
to
say
in
their
speeches
from
the
talk
weight
or
whether
this
is
something
that
they
themselves
diva
Scott
needs
people
to
come
and
sale
here
has
been
a
major
driver
for
the
economy.
Scottish
people
are
loving
longer
and
having
West
children.
H
This
is
created
a
gap
in
our
workforce,
which
has
been
supplemented
by
those
who
come
from
overseas
and
make
Scotland
at
home
most
will
come
to
Scotland
11
work
contribute
by
growing
our
economy
and
contributing
taxes
for
public
services.
Scotland
relies
in
migration
for
population
growth,
more
than
any
other
the
UK
and
as
opposed
to
both
II
and
no
one
e
people.
H
Regarding
you
sets
in
specific
way,
we
have
stone
the
darkest
support
race
you
citizens
will
have
post
play,
except
the
Home
Secretary's
remarks
last
month
showed
that
the
current
UK
government,
where
she's
to
end
freedom
of
movement
as
soon
as
possible,
any
restriction
of
freedom
of
movement,
will
be
severely
detrimental
to
Scotland's
economy
and
Scottish
government,
and
our
sisters
has
already
been
said.
She
was
the
oil
average.
H
Each
additional
EU
citizen
working
in
Scotland
adds
over
ten
thousand
pounds
to
government
revenue
and
over
thirty
four
thousand
pounds
to
GDP
each
year
because
they
cannot
so
I
want
to
take
a
moment
just
to
mention
briefly
some
local
examples.
I
am
you
know
how
these
policies
are
affecting
people
in
real
life
and
colleagues
may
remember
the
situation
involving
Derek
an
all-american
college.
The
Ilia
stand
here
last
year
me
message
media's
from
Belarus
and
Watts
as
a
translator.
H
I,
of
course,
wrote
to
the
Home
Office
in
the
prime
minister
and
our
cabinet
secretary
for
culture,
2000xt
refused
to
fly
twice
and
ultimately
the
Home
Office
relented.
But
that's
was
only
after
the
case
received
significant
media
attention
know
everybody
will
gather,
and
after
the
marriage
hadn't
contacted
the
local
representatives.
The
UK
migration
policy
with
a
spotless
family
up
is
no
acceptable.
Indeed,
this
farm
we
still
left
with
issue
of
uncertainty
of
about
status
every
single
day
I
spoke
to
mr.
merry
just
a
few
days
ago.
H
Yes,
it's
not
acceptable
because
they
know
so
I
wanted
to
also
give
another
example
of
concessions.
They
came
to
me
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
they
had
received
response
from
the
UK
government.
Regarding
a
visitor
on
a
short
Terran
visa,
the
dispositor
was
coming
to
celebrate
a
significant
question.
They
were
reported
that
they
were
provided
as
a
standard
letter
that
didn't
even
match
up
with
the
information
provided
and
then
asked
for
any
further
information.
H
Of
course,
I
wrote
to
the
UK
visas
in
a
Malaysian,
Department
and
I'm
grateful
that
diligent
and
hardworking
staff
there,
not
a
discrepancy,
sought
the
required
information
and
ultimately
had
the
decision
reversed,
necessarily
I
doesn't
really
back
with
Patrick
Harvie
or
not.
The
main
point
is
argument,
but
that's
again
actually
demonstrates
the
folks
that
policy
and
not
the
staff
at
the
Home
Office
in
the
department,
it's
their
policy,
and
these
are
migration
policies
across
the
board.
There's
a
folk
here
and
in
civitate
changed
and
more
flexible
and
taking
and
taking
individual.
Sir.
I
Thank
You
deputy
presiding
officer
I'd
like
to
begin
by,
emphasizing
again
what
I
said
to
the
chamber
in
our
immigration
debate
last
week,
both
Scotland
and
the
way
to
UK
a
great
deal
to
migration.
This
is
a
country
that
historically
been
one
of
openness
and
of
Tolerance
and
one
with
a
global
outlook,
and
this
is
true
now,
as
it
has
ever
been
in
international
terms.
The
UK
has
a
high
level
of
immigration
in
relation
to
its
population
size.
I
This
is
testament
not
only
to
our
immigration
system,
but
also
the
popularity
of
the
UK
as
a
destination.
People
want
to
come
to
this
country,
and
we
all
benefit
from
that.
How
it
is
also
the
responsibility
of
government
to
administer
a
fair
rules
based
immigration
system,
one
that
recognizes
the
needs
of
our
communities
and
one
that
takes
account
of
the
areas
of
our
economy,
where
immigration
can
be
of
most
benefit.
As
the
chamber
knows,
the
UK
government
is
working
towards
the
creation
of
a
new
system.
I
This
will
reflect
a
new
approach
after
the
end
of
the
EU
free
movement
rules,
when
the
UK's
immigration
policy
will
be
wholly
set
by
the
United
Kingdom.
Quite
rightly,
there
is
a
wide
process
of
consultation
taking
place
at
the
moment.
During
last
week's
debate,
I
emphasized
the
importance
of
passing
withdrawal
agreement
that
will
give
the
country
the
best
opportunity
to
prepare
off
huge
immigration
policy
and
will
avoid
a
No,
Deal
brexit
and
the
same
appoint.
The
same
point
applies
here.
Equally
I
would
hope
that
is
a
process
that
the
Scottish
government
is
fully
engaged
with.
I
I,
don't
expect
the
UK
government
and
a
Scottish
government
agree
on
every
point,
but
consultation
is
an
important
exercise
that
will
inform
the
creation
of
a
system
that
reflects
the
needs
of
the
whole
of
the
UK
as
Alexander
Stewart
highlighted.
Just
last
week,
the
Home
Office
announced
a
new
graduate
route
which
will
make
new
arrangements
for
post
study
work.
This
follows
several
years
where
the
parties
in
this
chamber
have
been
an
agreement
that
post
study
work
is
an
area
that
needs
attention
and
that
a
new
route
should
be
created
after
much
scrambling
around.
I
For
some
reason
to
criticize
the
announcement
the
SNP
finally
settled
on
calling
it
a
screeching,
Tory
u-turn,
ignoring
the
fact
that
this
side
of
the
chamber
has
been
advocating
for
a
post
study
work
scheme
to
be
renewed
for
years.
In
short,
the
views
of
the
parties
of
universities
of
academic
institutions,
as
well
as
the
use
of
business
and
employees
were
heard.
We
can
also
point
to
the
issues
arriving
arising
with
seasonal
agricultural
work.
I
My
colleague
Christine
hare,
as
MP
Franca's
represented
a
constituency
fane,
particularly
for
its
soft
fruit
production,
again
I
just
finished
on
the
finish.
This
bit
again,
we've
seen
a
positive
response
from
the
UK
government
to
these
needs,
with
progress
made
on
creating
a
seasonal
agricultural
workers
scheme
I'll
take
from
the
cabinet
secretary,
the.
B
Agricultural
seasonal
pilot
is
tiny
compared
to
the
needs
of
the
agricultural
sector
and
similar.
If
we
just
focus
on
the
brightest
and
best
in
terms
of
of
graduates,
we
ignore
the
main
issue
that
Scott
needs,
which
is
families.
If
people
come
individually
for
agricultural
seasonal
work,
its
temporary
they're
not
going
to
bring
their
families
with
them,
will
he
work
with
us
to
ensure
that
its
families
that
we
can
get
arriving
in
Scotland
to
stay
in
Scotland
and
to
help
tackle
our
depopulation
in
14
out
of
our
local
authority
areas,
Jimmy
help
you
John
thank.
I
You
for
watching
they're,
coming
2:30
for
the
intervention
I
mean
there's
two
things
here
that
I
would
say.
As
Alexander
Stewart
said,
we
will
work
where
we
agree
with
the
government.
We
agree
where
we
agree.
There
are
areas
that
will
be
of
benefit
to
Scotland
that
we
can
work
with,
but
also
I,
think
what
we're
trying
to
highlight
here
is
they're
actually
working
with
the
UK
government.
Actually
engaging
with
a
consult.
Consultation
has
seen
results
and
it
would
be
good
if
we
saw
that
from
wider
across
this
chamber
today.
I
Today,
the
Scottish
government
has
raised
the
minimum
income
threshold
fact
that
dependent
family
members
who
are
seeking
to
come
to
the
UK.
In
this
case
there
is
a
clear
balance
between
migrants
perfectly
reasonable
wish
to
bring
family
members
and
partners
to
live
with
them
in
the
UK
and
government's
responsibility
to
wider
society.
Quite
legitimately.
Those
who
come
to
the
UK
do
not
always
have
the
recourse
to
public
funds
in
circumstances
such
as
this,
it
is
clear
that
a
family
member
must
be
able
to
provide
adequately
for
that
person.
I
We
know
that
under
cont
the
current
current
scheme,
there
are
circumstances
where
different
considerations
apply.
Exceptional
circumstances,
such
as
situations
with
a
right
to
a
private
life,
a
private
and
family
life
under
the
European
Convention
are
triggered.
Please,
okay.
There
is
a
legitimate
debate:
how
to
apply
minimum
income
requirements
for
the
family
of
those
moving
here
to
work,
but
we
should
be
aware
of
those
additional
hurdles.
I
A
differentiy
system
creates
not
only
for
governments
but
also
for
migrants
themselves,
who
receive
additional
restrictions,
presiding
officer,
I
hope,
that's
gotta
Shulman
and
my
colleagues
around
this
chamber
play
a
full
part
in
the
preparin
process.
As
we
move
towards
a
new
immigration
system
that
better
fits
our
needs.
I
E
G
You
presiding
officer
I
want
to
concentrate
my
opening
remarks
on
the
most
vulnerable
group
affected
by
these
rules,
refugees
and
among
refugees.
The
most
vulnerable
group
are
unaccompanied
children,
as
amnesties
briefing
for
today's
debate.
Points
o
children
who
are
in
the
UK
alone
and
who
have
refugee
status,
have
no
right
to
be
reunited
with
even
their
closest
family
members
and
because
of
this
rule,
children
living
in
safety
and
the
UK
live
without
their
family.
Prepare
for
perpetuity.
G
But
it
was
made
very
clear
that
it
would
only
apply
to
children
aged
under
17
and
parents
and
older
children
were
not
included,
and
so
looking
back
at
Kindertransport
today,
that
rule
seems
absolutely
barbaric
and
you
might
otherwise
have
been
forgiven
to
think
it
would
never
happen
today
that
we
would
have
a
more
humanitarian
approach,
but
us
what
we
have
heard
already.
That's
not
true.
Today's
rules
are
really
not
so
very
different
from
those
that
applied
to
the
Kindertransport
family.
G
All
those
years
ago,
amnesty
also
point
out
the
deep
unfairness
in
terms
of
how
we
treat
the
children
of
refugee
parents
who
don't
get
Asylum
status
in
this
country.
They're
only
allowed
to
bring
children
with
them
under
family
immigration
rules.
If
those
children
are
under
18
and
again,
there
seems
terribly
uncaring
as
well
as
unrealistic.
A
19
year
old
is
officially
an
adult,
but
anyone
was
grown-up.
Children.
G
Here
knows
that
young
people
up
to
the
age
of
25
or
26
still
require
a
great
deal
of
support,
and
did
this
Parliament
has
previously
recognized
not
very
point.
We
passed
legislation
in
the
form
of
the
children
and
young
people's
act
in
2014
that
recognized
the
right
of
care.
Experienced
young
people
to
have
support
upon
to
the
age
of
26
and
I
was
proud
to
have
sat
on
the
committee
that
put
that
into
place,
but
there
was
very
little
persuasion
needed
because
we
all
know
that
we
all
support
those
of
us
who
are
parents.
G
We
support
our
children
well
into
adulthood,
helping
them
with
accommodation
and
supporting
them
through
relationship
breakups
job
last
exam
pressures,
all
the
other
challenges
that
life
throws
at
them.
If
children
from
privileged
backgrounds
need
this
continuing
parental
support,
how
much
more
to
the
most
vulnerable
young
people
required?
What
are
their
care
experience,
talented
refugees
fleeing
for
Paris
from
persecution,
or
indeed,
migrant
children
who
are
split
up
from
their
families
through
these
rules,
and
of
course
they
don't.
G
E
G
J
Immigration
and
Asylum
policy
is
I,
think
one
of
the
hardest
policy
areas
who
would
want
to
be
a
minister
making
those
kinds
of
decisions,
but
most
of
us
have
witnessed
the
scenes
of
the
last
few
years
of
children
trying
to
reach
Europe
and
Britain
fleeing
conflict
and
war,
conflict
and
war
that
we
have
been
involved
in
ourselves.
The
most
notable
one
will
be
our
link
our
day.
J
The
childhood
was
washed
up
on
the
beach
and
probably
Island
Pearl
Islands
body
lying
there
on
the
beach,
perhaps
changed
public
opinion
to
show
them
the
actual
reality
of
humanity
and
how
these
decisions
affect
children
across
the
world.
According
to
Oxfam,
three-quarters
of
refugee
families
in
Newquay
have
been
separated
from
relative,
because
they're
not
eligible
for
family
reunification.
J
We
must
take
time
to
show
the
human
aspects
of
family
separation
and
get
the
public
behind
attainder
policy,
because
the
UK
arbitrarily
capped
the
number
of
lawn
children
to
four
hundred
and
eighty
and
I
think
it's
been
a
harmful
policy.
Children
living
in
appalling
conditions
in
northern
France,
which
I
saw
myself
when
I,
visited
the
Kiley
jungle
when
it
was
there
and
the
Greek
islands
with
no
family
to
care
for
them.
J
Alf
dub
says
the
probably
should
be
a
european-wide
project,
but
if
the
UK
is
to
be
part
of
a
weight
of
humanitarian
policy,
we
should
certainly
be
doing
that
with
our
other
European
neighbors.
But,
as
we
na
was
the
old
background
to
immigration
and
Asylum
seeking
that
leads
us
to
where
we
are
today,
which
is
e,
crazy
and
unhelpful
approach
to
European
citizens,
who've
witnessed
our
and
knows
the
lack
of
confirming
and
given
them.
J
What
fiona
has
stopped
said
to
this
chamber
today
about
the
need
for
a
policy
for
Scotland
that
recognizes
that
we
have
a
decline
in
a
population
and,
apart
from
any
values
that
we
hold,
our
immigration
is
a
necessity
here
to
have
a
policy
that
allows
us
to
be
able
to
do
that.
If
we
are
truly
partners
with
the
United
Kingdom
with
a
devolved
Parliament,
it
seems
to
me:
there's
got
to
be
more
movement
by
the
UK
government
and
recognizing
that
Scotland's
economy
will
be
harmed.
J
E
K
You
presiding
officer
I
welcome
this
debate
and
the
need
for
this
Parliament
to
highlight
why
the
current
UK
system
of
migration
is
failing
communities
across
Scotland.
When
talking
about
migration,
we
are
talking
about
people,
people
who
choose
to
come
to
Scotland,
like
my
husband,
who
is
a
new
Scot
originally
from
the
USA.
K
For
the
whole,
the
UK
is
absolutely
not
enough
for
the
whole
of
the
UK
650
is
what's
been
allocated
as
Scotland
sheer
that
won't
pick
the
berries
of
Malaga
John's
constituents
in
her
constituency.
We
need
our
population
growth
as
as
a
main
driver
of
economic
growth
in
Scotland
and
the
UK
in
recent
years.
It
shows
that
the
best
way
to
boost
our
economy
is
through
investing
in
people
by
attracting
people.
Here
we
have
a
population,
that's
growing
older.
K
Instead
of
welcoming
people
to
the
UK,
the
UK
government
puts
barriers
and
hurdles
in
the
way
I
point
to
the
regulations
on
family
reunification,
which
means
that
families
and
partners
of
people
here
find
it
harder
to
come
to
work
and
live
with
their
families.
Information
from
the
observatory
on
migration
shows
that
family
reunification
has
actually
decreased
by
30
percent.
K
Under
this
Conservative
government,
the
system
is
broken
and
it
must
be
fixed,
presiding
officer
in
my
office
has
had
several
constituents
come
for
help
with
immigration
issues
and
the
low
MPs
should
be
picking
up
these
reserved
cases.
I
have
had
local
residents
contact
me
directly
because
of
slow
or
even
no
response
from
the
constituency.
Conservative
members
of
the
UK
Parliament,
here's
one
local
example:
the
savita
family,
the
mum
and
dad
are
from
Tunisia
and
the
four
children,
three
of
them
her
born
in
Scotland.
They
have
made
their
home
in
DeVries
for
seven
years.
K
They
were
facing
imminent
deportation
to
Tunisia,
simply
because
they
could
not
afford
to
pay
their
almost
eight
thousand
pounds.
Eight
thousand
pounds
fee
for
processing
their
family
visa
application,
and
while
a
home
office
decision
is
being
appealed,
the
family,
they
were
not
allowed
to
work
an
or
even
seek
welfare
support.
This
was
the
case
for
the
saboteurs.
They
relied
on
the
generosity
of
a
local
charity
mu
and
their
mosque
and
their
neighbors
for
help.
K
Thankfully,
with
help
from
the
First
Minister
and
the
Minister
for
migration,
I
was
able
to
help
overturn
this
decision,
and
the
family
have
since
been
granted
leave
to
remain.
This,
however,
is
not
the
case
for
hundreds
of
others
across
the
UK
presiding
officer,
the
UK
government's
current
family
migration
policies
are
considered
to
be
one
of
the
least
family-friendly
in
the
developed
world.
The
current
proposed
minimum
salary
threshold
of
eighteen
thousand
six
hundred
is
prohibitive
and
does
not
take
account
of
many
sectors
across
the
country,
such
as
health
care,
catering
or
hospitality.
K
L
Sir,
can
I
just
start
at
the
outset,
having
listened
to
this
debate
and
can
I
say
to
the
thirty
thousand
civil
servants
that
work
in
the
UK
home
office.
We
don't
all
think
that
you're
racist
I
think
to
insist
that
that
is
the
case.
No,
please
let
me
make
make
my
point
yo.
Please
please.
Let
me
make
my
point.
Mr.
Harvey
said
four
times
that
the
home
office
was
racist
and
I.
Think
that
is
an
inappropriate
way
to
speak
about
the
civil
servants.
L
You've
had
your
opportunity
of
only
about
three
minutes
to
speak
and
can
I
also
say
Ashley
in
reference
to
another
speech
that
was
made
in
the
limited
time.
I
have
that
I
think
we
should
be
proud,
as
a
country
of
every
life
that
was
laid
down
during
the
Second
World
War
to
fight
for
children
who
were
escaping
the
hell
of
Nazi
Germany,
British
lives
and
Scottish
lives,
and
many
of
them
are
our
ancestors
who
fought
for
their
freedom.
L
Look
these
benches
are
from
many
debates
about.
Immigration
have
been
very
clear
on
whether
whether
we've
agreed
or
not,
with
the
proposals
coming
out
of
Whitehall
and
in
many
cases
we've
agreed
with
the
center
benches.
We've
had
discussions
around
where
there
are
areas
of
I
think
shared
commonality
that
the
needs,
the
needs
of
Scot
I,
really
don't
have
the
time
I
wish
I
did
that
I
would
I'm,
sorry
and
I
think
there
is
some
commonality
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
terms
of
cross-party
discussion
about
immigration,
it's
a
very
sensitive
issue.
L
There
needs
to
be
dialogue
and
I
think
a
little
bit
more
respectful
dialogue,
I
would
say
about
this
and
needs
to
be
also
dialogue
between
governments,
not
just
between
Isis
members
and
between
governments
and
the
industries
of
which
we
are
seeking
to
serve.
There
is
also
a
myth.
I
think
in
this
whole
debate,
that
somehow
attitudes
towards
immigration
are
hugely
different
in
Scotland
to
the
rest
of
the
UK.
L
We
know
that
they're
not
Paul
after
Paul
and
survey
after
survey
shows
that
indeed,
I
was
surprised
to
read
in
a
recent
survey,
their
own
half
of
Scots
felt
the
immigration
levels
were
too
high.
No
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with
that
comment,
but
it
was
an
interesting
piece
of
analysis
to
come.
Oh
Scotland
doesn't
fight
according
to
numerous
surveys,
the
only
part
of
the
UK
where
attitudes
towards
immigration
seemed
to
have
even
stiffened
in
some
communities
since
2016
now
I
think
we
should
be
mindful
of
the
outside
of
the
political
bubble.
L
There
clearly
are
reservations
about
the
sort
or
free
movement
that
has
been
advocated
by
the
government
benches
in
their
motion
and
in
debates
like
this,
we
know
that
we
have
a
deficit
of
skills.
We
know
that
we
have
an
issue
with
our
working
age
population,
but
despite
40
years
of
free
movement
in
Europe,
our
emigration
rates
fall
well
below
the
rest
of
the
UK's
immigration
policy.
Isn't
simply
about
setting
rules
or
entry
criteria.
L
We
need
to
have
a
joined
up
adult
discussion
about
how
we
nurture
talent
and
behaviour,
retain
skills
and
about
how
we
educate
people
that
we
have
the
talents
that
we
need
so
we're
not
losing
people
so
for
the
border
or
indeed
elsewhere.
If
the
government
is
serious
about
having
an
influencing
reserve
policy
about
this,
then
I
guarantee
you.
These
we'll
have
a
constructive
and
serious
conversation
about
that.
M
You
presiding
officer
here
in
the
Scottish
Parliament,
we
recognize
the
benefits
of
migration
to
our
nation.
Those
who
move
to
Scotland,
to
walk
or
to
study,
find
new
friends,
a
new
home
and
a
new
way
of
life.
They
contribute
in
many
ways
to
our
nation
and
they
make
vibrant
way.
Diverse
migration
is
not
just
visa
applications
and
bureaucratic
process
as
deeply
personal
as
a
pioneering
and
adventurous
approach
to
life.
M
Migration
is
made
up
of
many
people
who
love
Scotland
and
want
to
call
it
home
and
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
recognise
this
personal
aspect
and
discussing
this
topic
of
debate
today,
presiding
officer.
It
is
an
les
parliaments
interest
to
work
towards
incentivizing
and
word
migration.
Scotland
has
unique
demographic
circumstances
from
the
1960s
until
the
tunneler
millennium,
there
was
an
almost
constant
drop
in
population.
This
is
in
contrast
to
the
rest
UK,
which
has
seen
almost
constant
growth
over
the
same
period.
So
there
are
differences
that
need
to
be
addressed.
M
Projections
from
the
national
records
of
Scotland
and
the
Office
for
National
Statistics
sure
that
natural
change
ie
the
number
of
bus
main
as
the
number
of
deaths,
as
predicted
to
be
negative
in
Scotland
for
each
of
the
next
25
years.
This
topic
should
not
be
divisive.
Scotland
needs
an
approach
to
migration
that
makes
it
possible
for
people
to
live
here
on
normal
salaries
with
their
spouses
and
children
by
their
sides.
It
is
an
ER
collective
interest
to
create
a
welcoming
at
Manresa
process.
Wonder
is
notably
different
from
the
current
system.
M
To
do
so,
we
have
to
recognize
the
current
systems
difficulties,
and
this
way
we
can
identify
how
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
live.
What
can
make
a
home
for
themselves
here
in
Scotland
a
lot
a
really
good
stuff
to
see
there,
but
I
can't
actually
have
the
time.
So
if
we
have
the
opportunity
to
tailor
a
Scottish
visa
system,
I
encourage
an
odd
engagement
with
issues
like
this.
By
doing
so,
we
can
allow
families
to
stay
together
and
to
call
Scotland
at
home.
Thank
you.
E
N
You
presiding
officer,
it
has
been
generally
are
well-meaning
to
be
a
thank
fear.
People
seem
to
agree
that
the
key
proposition
in
the
motion,
which
is
the
UK
policy,
is
feel
and
families
as
feeling
families,
a
refugees
and
its
feel
and
families
who
have
come
here
as
economic
immigrants.
So,
if
that
principles
accepted,
then
there
has
to
be
some
room
already
thought
for
us
to
work
together.
I
know
the
point
that
the
motion
says
that
Scotland's
distinct
population
needs
means
that
all
of
us
future
population
growth
is
projected
to
come
from
migration.
O
I
mean
I,
accept
the
point
you're
saying
that
the
may
well
be
views
that
are
held
by
individuals
that
are
not
what
we
would,
it
would
see,
has
been
much
different
from
what
has
held
in
other
parts
of
the
UK.
But
would
you
not
also
accept
that
government
and
the
main
political
parties
have
shown
a
completely
different
view
to
immigration
and
Scotland
and
a
half
and
the
rest?
The
deep
Bowl?
Certainly
an
English
part
of
the
UK.
N
Yeah
I
mean,
but
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
to
mr.
Doran
is
that
that
we
need
to
make
the
case
a
positive
case
for
more
people.
Commented
till
of
I
thought
the
cabinet
Secretary's
point
about
when
families
come
here,
there's
more
likelihood
that
they
will
put
their
roots
down
here
and
stay
here.
So
I
think
I
think
we
are
an
agreement
in
that
way
and
con
government
Westminster
policy
is
not
serving
the
needs
of
the
people
in
Scotland.
So
no
problem
with
our.
N
But
let's
be
honest,
you
know
part
part
part,
a
the
the
belief
around
emigration
being
a
major
problem
is
because
politicians
are
filthy,
taco
da
su
and
actually
make
the
case.
So
when
you,
when
you
did
knock
on
somebody's
door
and
start
paying
you
that
immigration
is
the
problem
and
you
start
to
go
through
what
the
issues
are
as
as
issues
like
kalakijo,
some
Jews
for
any
tests
etc
nor
immigration.
N
N
Let's
not
be
complacent
in
terms
in
terms
of
our,
but
we
need
to
be
open
to
examine
for
alternative
emigration
policies
currently
brought
forward,
and
how
can
we
can
work
together
and
I
hope
for
the
positive
contribution
Felix
understood
that
the
the
the
the
Tory
part
is
willing
to
come
to
that
discussion
should
not
be
beyond
us
to
find
an
immigration
policy,
that's
right
for
Scotland
and
that
should
not
clear
constitutional
crisis.
So,
let's
work
together
with
the
government
defined
that
we
forward.
P
It's
easy
to
get
caught
up
in
the
sheer
politics
of
this,
but
away
from
some
of
what
has
been
spoken
in
the
chamber
today,
however
passionately
it
remains
the
case
that
we
are
talking
about
the
fate
of
real
people,
their
lives,
their
stories
and,
most
importantly,
their
futures
I,
want
to
state
clearly
that
the
Scottish
conservatives
believe
immigration
is
hugely
invigorating
and
positive
for
Scotland.
It's
good
for
our
economy,
with
people
coming
and
using
their
talents
for
the
benefit
of
this
country.
P
It's
good
for
society,
as
it
makes
us
more
diverse
and
outward
looking
and
it's
good
for
our
culture
as
it
allows
us
to
explore
new
ideas
and
enhance
our
own
traditions.
However,
it
is
also
important
that
immigration
is
managed
and
that
the
rules
that
are
put
in
place
are
adhere
to
and
applied
fairly
and
equitably.
P
And
while
there
are
mistakes
made
by
the
Home
Office,
it
is
right
that
there
is
an
appeals
process
in
place
which
is
simple
to
navigate
and
can
provide
redress
were
appropriate
in.
In
my
past
life,
as
a
lawyer,
I
have
acted
for
asylum
seekers
in
the
tribunal
in
Glasgow.
I
have
seen
firsthand
the
challenges
presented
to
those
who
are
victims
of
the
immigration
system
and
I
understand
the
way
that
many
people
feel
when
a
loved
one
is
caught
up
in
that
system
and
I
acknowledge
the
cases
that
have
been
referred
to.
P
But
we
have
to
apply
the
rules
equally
and
in
fairness,
that
everyone
should
not
promote
a
situation
where
there
is
one
rule
for
some
and
another
rule
for
others,
and
in
my
view,
it
would
be
wrong
to
suggest
that
the
UK
government
has
not
reformed
our
immigration
system
for
the
better,
with
a
marked
and
positive
change
in
approach.
Most
recently
in
Alexander,
Stewart
and
others
have
mentioned
some
of
these
points,
but
they
bear
repeating.
P
For
example,
I
strongly
welcome
the
announcement
to
reintroduce
the
two-year
post
study
work
visa
which
will
allow
international
graduates
in
any
subject
to
be
able
to
stay
in
the
UK
for
two
years
to
find
work.
That
was
something
we've
long
campaigned
for
here
with
Liz
Smith
and
Ruth
Davidson,
both
advocating
some
kind
of
system
in
the
past,
and
it's
something
that
universities
UK
have
welcomed.
It'll
put
us
back,
they
say
back
where
we
belong
as
a
first
choice
study
destination.
P
Not
only
will
a
wide
range
of
employers
now
have
access
to
talented
graduates
from
around
the
world.
These
students
hold
lifelong
links
in
the
UK
and
I
should
also
briefly
touch
on
their
proposed
30,000
minimum
threshold
for
highly
skilled
migrants
seeking
five-year
visas.
Many
of
us
think
this
proposal,
and
it
is
only
a
proposal-
deserves
reconsideration
and
I
am
pleased
to
know
that
in
June
of
this
year
that
then
Home
Secretary
Sajid
Javid
asked
a
migration
advisory
committee
to
review
salary
thresholds
and
to
consider
whether
more
flexibility
was
required
and
Paula
McNeil
spoke
about.
P
Flexibility
will
add
that
an
example,
in
my
view
of
the
UK
government,
considering
that
there
should
be
more
flexibility
and
whilst
these
benches
do
not
support
the
devolution
of
immigration
or
a
differentiated
immigration
system
for
Scotland,
given
the
detrimental
impact
that
would
have
on
many
businesses,
organisations
who
rely
on
their
being
a
UK
white
system.
What
we
do
promote
is
a
uk-wide
system
which
works
for
Scotland
and
addresses
Scotland's
needs
and
leaving.
P
The
EU
presents
a
unique
opportunity
to
develop
a
response
in
migration
system
that
does
just
that
the
UK
government
just
announced
it
would
move
to
a
points-based
system
to
attract
migrants,
and
it's
worth
reminding
the
chamber.
This
was
demanded
by
the
SNP
in
their
2013
white
paper
on
independence.
Let
me
quote
from
that
white
paper.
We
plan
a
controlled
points-based
system
to
support
the
migration
of
skilled
workers
for
the
benefit
of
Scotland's
economy,
so
I
look
forward
to
the
SNP
supporting
the
UK
government.
P
In
this
regard,
and
to
sum
up,
deputy
presiding
officer
can
I
reiterate
my
earlier
remarks
that
this
is
a
parliament
which
has
a
duty
to
debate
migration
in
a
frank
and
honest'
manner.
I
personally
believe
there
is
more
consensus
around
this
subject.
Then.
Perhaps
this
debate
has
shown
because
it's
right
that
the
UK
gun
is
now
reforming
aspects
of
our
immigration
system
to
encourage
people
with
skills
to
work
and
live
here
and
to
make
it
easier
for
those
who
study
in
the
UK,
for
example,
to
remain
in
the
UK
and
utilize
their
talents
here.
P
Without
doubt,
the
mood
and
tone
of
that
government's
approach
is
changing,
and
we
strongly
believe
that
these
actions,
deputy
presiding
officer,
amounts
to
a
fresh
approach
which
should
be
sustained
into
issues
around
family
migration.
That
would
allow
us
all
to
work
together
and
have
a
sensible
and
reasoned
discussion
about
how
we
can
approve
family
migration
policy
in
a
way
that
works
for
Scotland.
Thank
you,
I.
E
B
Officer
this
debate
is
important
and
I.
Thank
all
colleagues
for
their
contributions.
The
threat
of
the
UK
leaving
the
EU
and
the
resulting
and
a
free
movement
has
thrown
into
sharp
relief
the
deficiencies
in
the
existing
UK's.
A
domestic
immigration
system
which
results
in
the
forced
separation
of
many
many
families
across
the
UK
and
I.
Think
it's
clear
from
across
the
chamber
that
everybody
agrees.
B
B
It's
been
quite
broad
to
be
an
issues
beyond
family
migration,
but
that
is
understand
and
there's
a
clear
practical
case
for
a
change
in
family
migration
policy
for
Scotland
figures
released
by
national
records
of
Scotland
on
the
11th
of
September
showed
that
the
birth
rate
in
Scotland
is
continued
to
fall.
The
number
of
births
registered
in
the
second
quarter
of
2019
was
5.4
percent
lower
than
in
the
same
period
of
2018,
and
this
is
the
lowest
number
of
quarter
two
births.
B
We
don't
know
the
status
of
the
UK's
changes
if
there
is
to
be
an
opportunity
for
change
in
the
UK's
immigration
system.
If
there
is
to
be
a
I
quote,
a
radical
rewriting
of
our
immigration
system
as
the
Prime
Minister
suggests,
then
let
this
Parliament
say
clearly
that
improving
the
rules
and
family
migration
must
be
part
of
that
rewriting.
Now
the
Conservatives
have
asked
us
to
work
with
the
rest
of
Scotland,
which
we
do
and
we
have
consistently
and
constantly
engaged
with.
B
The
UK
government
are
a
variety
of
issues,
I,
remember
even
speaking,
to
Damian
Green
when
he
was
Home
Secretary
about
some
of
these
issues.
But
what
is
the
status
of
the
immigration
white
paper?
Do
the
Scottish
conservatives
agree
with
the
current
UK
white
paper,
or
is
that
you
King
white
paper
a
dead
duck?
B
Do
you
expect
it
to
be
strapped,
and
do
they
agree
with
us
that
that
UK
immigration,
white
paper
should
be
strapped
in
its
current
form,
is
vital
that
the
Scottish
government
and
this
Parliament
are
fully
involved
in
the
development
of
the
UK
government's
proposals
and
debates
and
discussions
that
we
have.
We
have
must
be
open
and
they
must
be
frank
and
they
must
be
inclusive
if
we
were
to
ensure
that
the
any
new
system
truly
works.
B
For
Scotland
and
the
interests
of
Scottish
families,
then
I
think
if
we
as
a
parliament,
can
come
together
to
shape
that
family
migration
policy,
it
will
be
all
to
the
stronger
if
we
do
that,
collectively
and
cross-party.
The
proposals
to
end
freedom
of
movement
mean
that
people
who,
in
good
faith,
have
built
their
lives
across
Europe
faced
having
to
navigate
the
barriers
of
the
domestic
migration
system
if
they
want
to
bring
their
non
UK
family
members
to
Scotland
in
countries
across
the
world.
B
There
are
people
who
were
born
and
brought
up
in
Scotland
who
would
love
to
return
to
bring
their
expertise
and
their
experience
back
to
Scotland.
Yet
the
family
migration
rules
mean
that
they
cannot
bring
their
spouse
their
children
with
them
to
live
in
Scotland,
and
that
cannot
be
right
and
I
want
to
address
the
points
from
Jamie
how
Cole
Johnson,
who
said
it
is
legitimate.
The
migrants
seek
to
bring
family
members
in
actually
many
cases
is
not
migrants.
B
It's
actually
UK
citizens
in
many
cases,
are
prevented
from
bringing
their
family
members
in
Alexander
Stewart
says,
leaving
the
EU
provides
an
opportunity
to
review
family
migration
system.
It
is
the
UK
government
which
has
reduced
the
rights
of
UK
citizens
to
bring
family
members
into
the
UK,
and
that
policy
is
entirely
separate
to
the
EU.
B
It
was
a
decision
of
the
UK
government
to
reduce
the
rights
of
UK
citizens
to
bring
in
family
members,
so
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
bit
of
understanding
of
the
family
migration
issues
that
we're
trying
to
address
pauline
McNeill
states.
That
is
a
practical
chase
for
a
case
for
change.
But
there
is
also
that
moral
case
as
well
as
many
have
referred
to
and
Scotland
is
a
country
that
wants
to
welcome
people
that
doesn't
tear
families.
B
The
family
migration
rules
are
about
removing
the
rights
of
UK
citizens
in
pursuit
of
a
meaningless
migration
target,
and
that's
what
we
have
to
understand,
which
is
why
we've
commissioned
or
we
be
commissioning
the
expert
advisory
group
on
migration
and
population
and
where
it
will
be
crucial
in
forming
this
debate
and
I,
look
forward
to
sharing
their
findings
in
due
course.
Very
briefly.
Patrick.
F
Harvie
I'm
grateful
the
cabinet
secretary
seems
to
be
implying
that
she
would
like
that
freedom
of
movement
principle
to
apply
globally
and,
if
that's
correct,
I
very
much
agree.
But
is
it
not
astonishing
that
the
political
right
I'll
constantly
argue
about
human
liberty
and
wanting
small
government
not
interfering
with
people's
lives,
except
on
the
question
of
immigration,
where
they
almost
fetishize
state
power
and
state
violence
instead
of
individual
liberty
and
freedom?
Fiona.
B
Hitler,
there
is
a
moral
case.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
political
leadership
in
these
debates
and
I.
Think
Alec.
Reilly
was
absolutely
right.
Every
single
person
in
this
chamber,
energy
that
seeks
political
leadership,
has
to
face
down
the
arguments
of
the
far
right
that
have
tried
to
politicize
migration
and
immigration
to
an
extent
that
it
causes
I.
Think
the
individual
fear
that
many
have
and
also
a
is
leading
I
think
in
some
parts
of
the
world
to
a
type
of
I
think
tension.
B
That
is
extremely
worrying
indeed,
but
we
can-
and
we
should
do
something
about
this
in
Scotland,
so
the
presiding
officer
Michael
today
is
for
members
across
the
chamber
to
join
this
to
be
send
a
clear
message
about
the
needs
of
Scotland's
communities.
We
all
collectively
need
to
be
successful
in
persuading
UK
ministers
to
change
decisions
on
individual
cases,
but,
more
importantly,
to
change
the
policy.
We
can
be
positive
and
constructive
and
how
we
do
that
we
may
have
different
means
by
which
we
want
to
have
those
powers
to
make
those
decisions.
B
The
let
us
shape
her
family
migration
policy.
That's
fit
for
the
21st
century
is
fit
for
the
Scotland
that
we
seek,
but
also
is
fit
for
the
children
and
the
families
that
we
serve,
whether
they
come
from
Scotland,
whether
they
come
to
Scotland
from
the
rest
of
Europe
or
indeed,
if
they
want
to
come
here
from
other
parts
of
the
world.
Scotland
is
not
through
up.
We
have
a
welcoming
approach
to
to
maintain,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
fit
for
purpose.
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
concludes
our
debate
on
the
impact
of
the
UK
government's
family
migration
policy
on
Scotland.
The
next
item
of
business
is
consideration
of
business
motion:
1
892
in
the
name
of
Graham
D.
On
behalf
of
the
view
of
setting
out
a
revision
to
this
week's
business,
November
wishes
to
speak
on
the
motion.
Fo
grass
pre-mediated
move
the
motion
move
presiding
officer.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
the
question
is
that
motion
1
890
to
be
agreed
are
well
agreed.
We
are
agreed.
Thank
you.
We
turn
to
the
decision
time.
Q
The
first
question
is
that
amendment
1
treble
8
4.1
in
the
name
of
Polly
McNeil,
which
sixth
term
in
motion
one
trouble
at
four.
In
the
name
of
a
lien
Campbell
on
investing
in
our
credit
unions,
we
agreed
our
well
agreed.
We
are
agreed.
The
next
question
is
the
motion.
One
Travel
84
in
the
name
of
a
lien
Campbell
as
amended
on
investing
in
our
credit
unions,
be
agreed.
Are
we
all
agreed?
We
are
agreed.
Q
The
next
question
is
the
amendment
1
treble
85.1,
in
the
name
of
Alexander
Stewart,
which
seeks
to
amend
motion
one
triple
eight
five
in
the
name
of
Fiona
Hyslop
on
the
impact
of
the
UK
government's
family
migration
policy
on
Scotland
to
be
agreed.
Are
we
all
agreed
or
not
agreed?
We
move
to
a
vote
on
this
amendment
and
members
may
cast
their
votes
now.
Q
The
results
of
the
vote
on
amendment
1
treble
85.1
in
the
name
of
Alexander
Stewart,
is
yes
30,
no
82
there
were
no
abstentions.
There
moment
is
that
were
not
agreed.
The
next
question
is
that
motion
1
treble
85
in
animal
Fiona,
his
lop
on
the
impact
of
the
UK
government's
family
migration
policy.
On
Scotland
we
agreed
our
L
agreed,
not
agreed,
we'll
move
to
division.
There
must
be
cast
their
votes
now.