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From YouTube: First Minister's Questions BSL - 10 September 2020
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First Minister's Questions BSL
A
B
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
The
scottish
government
is
required
by
law
to
review
lockdown
restrictions
every
three
weeks
and,
as
you
say,
the
latest
review
falls
due
today
and
I'll
shortly
give
an
update
on
the
decisions
we
have
reached
I'll
set
out,
why
we
are
not
yet
able
to
move
to
phase
four
of
the
route
map
out
of
lockdown
I'll
confirm
that
in
light
of
the
recent
increase
in
cases
of
covert
and
because
it
must
still
be
our
aim
to
keep
prevalence
of
the
virus
as
low
as
possible.
We've
taken
the
precautionary
decision
to
pause.
B
B
B
I
want
to
send
again
my
condolences
to
everyone
who
has
lost
a
loved
one
to
this
illness.
Let
me
turn
now
to
the
review
of
lockdown
restrictions.
As
I
indicated
a
moment
ago,
it
is
not
possible
at
this
stage
to
indicate
a
move
from
phase
three
to
phase
four
of
the
route
map
out
of
lockdown.
I
can
therefore
confirm
that
we
will
remain
in
phase
three
for
now,
and
it's
also
important
to
stress
that
that
is
likely
to
be
the
case
for
some
time.
Yet
for
us
to
move
to
phase
four.
B
Our
latest
estimate
of
the
r
number
is
that
it
is
now
above
one
possibly
as
high
as
1.5.
Over
the
past
week.
We
have
also
had
to
impose
additional
restrictions
on
people
living
in
five
local
authority
areas
in
greater
glasgow
and
clyde
glasgow
city,
east
and
west
in
bartonshire,
renfrewshire
and
east
renfrewshire,
so
rather
than
the
threat
to
public
health
receding.
The
pandemic
is
at
this
stage,
accelerating
again,
albeit
and
thankfully,
from
a
low
base
and
not
as
rapidly
as
it
was
back
in
march
and
april.
B
It
is
worth
stressing
that
this
position
is
not
entirely
unexpected.
In
recent
weeks
we
have
reopened
significant
parts
of
our
economy,
though
many
will
be
operating
below
fuel
capacity.
Approximately
96
of
businesses
in
scotland
are
now
trading
again.
Children
have
gone
back
to
school
and
we've
eased
many
social,
leisure
and
travel
restrictions.
People
are
meeting
up
more
going
out
more
and
traveling
more,
and
all
of
that
is
positive,
but
as
we
released
ourselves
from
lockdown,
we
also
released
the
virus.
B
We
gave
it
more
opportunities
to
spread,
and
so
it
was
always
likely
that
we
would
see
a
rise
in
cases
indeed.
The
reason
we
focused
so
firmly
over
the
summer
on
suppressing
the
virus
was
to
ensure
that
any
increase
was
from
a
low
base
and
to
give
our
test
and
protect
teams
the
best
possible
chance
of
keeping
outbreaks
under
control,
and
it
is
important,
even
in
a
period
of
rising
cases,
that
we
don't
lose
sight
of
that
objective
to
keep
infection
levels
as
low
as
possible.
B
B
Scotland's
rate
has
increased
from
2
to
just
under
20.,
so
we
have
come
out
of
the
summer,
with
a
relatively
low
prevalence
of
the
virus
and,
of
course,
without
test
and
protect,
as
well
as
the
efforts
of
so
many
across
the
country.
The
virus
would
already
have
spread
considerably
further
and
faster,
so
I'm
very
grateful
to
everyone
for
the
collective
effort
so
far
it
has
made
a
difference.
B
The
cases
are
now
rising
again
and
we
can
see
by
looking
around
britain,
europe
and
the
rest
of
the
world
just
how
difficult
it
is
to
keep
the
virus
under
control
when
globally,
the
pandemic
is
still
accelerating
even
new
zealand,
which
at
one
stage
reached
zero
covet,
has
now
reimposed
some
restrictions
in
scotland
having
ensured
the
reopening
of
schools.
We
are
now
welcoming
students
back
to
our
colleges
and
universities.
That
is
a
necessary
and
positive
development,
but
because
it
involves
people
moving
around
the
country
and
mixing,
it
undoubtedly
brings
further
risks.
B
One
point
that
is
frequently
commented
on
just
now
is
that
the
recent
rise
in
cases
has
not
been
mirrored
by
an
equally
large
rise
in
hospital
admissions
or
deaths.
That
may
partly
reflect
the
fact
that
many
of
the
new
cases
we
are
seeing
are
among
younger
people,
but
although
that
can
provide
some
comfort,
it
should
not
and
must
not
lead
to
complacency.
B
B
In
addition,
if
covert
spreads
too
widely
in
the
younger
healthier
parts
of
the
population,
it
will
inevitably
reach
older
and
more
vulnerable
people
that
could
then
lead
to
an
increase
in
hospital
admissions
and
fatalities,
as
we
are
seeing
now
to
some
extent
in
countries
such
as
france,
and
it
is
also
worth
noting
that,
although
numbers
here
are
still
low,
we
have
seen
a
rise
in
hospital
admissions
in
scotland
over
the
past
couple
of
weeks.
However,
presiding
officer,
let
me
make
this
point
very
clear.
B
B
That
is
simply
a
fact
of
life,
for
so
many
young
people
in
our
society,
but
it
also
makes
it
more
likely
that
they
will
be
exposed
to
the
virus
and
so
all
the
more
important
that
we
stress
the
ways
in
which
they
can
protect
themselves
and
protect
others,
siding
officer,
taking
account
of
all
of
the
most
up-to-date
information
we
have.
I
can
confirm
that
it
is
the
scottish
government's
judgment
that
we
cannot,
at
this
stage,
risk
the
new
opportunities
for
transmission
of
covet
that
reopening
further
services
and
facilities
would
entail.
B
In
my
statement
on
20th
august,
I
set
out
several
changes
that
were
provisionally
scheduled
for
14
september.
Of
course
I
stressed
then
that
and
I'm
quoting
given
the
volatility
we
face
and
transmission
of
the
virus.
There
is
a
very
real
possibility
that
some
or
all
of
these
plans
could
change.
Unfortunately,
due
to
the
rising
cases
we
have
seen
since
then,
we
have
concluded
that
these
changes
must
be
paused
for
a
further
three
weeks.
The
new
indicative
date
for
their
resumption
is
monday,
the
5th
of
october.
B
However,
I
must
stress
again
that
this
remains
an
indicative
date.
A
final
decision
can
only
be
taken
much
nearer
the
time.
That
means,
unfortunately,
that
spectators
will
not
be
able
to
return
to
sports
stadia
and
other
venues
over
the
next
three
weeks.
There
are
two
pilot
events
due
to
take
place
this
weekend,
which
will
proceed.
However,
after
that
we
will
judge
possible
pilot
events
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
in
light
of
the
latest
covert
data.
B
The
other
services
and
venues
affected
by
this
pause
are
theaters,
live
music
venues,
indoor
soft
play
facilities
and
indoor
contact
sports
activities
for
people,
age
12
and
over.
In
addition,
outdoor
events
that
have
not
yet
been
given
the
green
light,
such
as
those
where
a
lot
of
people
stand
close
together
cannot
yet
restart.
B
I
will
give
an
update
on
funerals
and
weddings
later
on
in
my
statement
now.
I'm
well
aware
that
for
people
who
work
in
the
sectors
affected
by
today's
pause,
this
is
a
very
hard
message
to
hear.
I
know
how
long
you
have
waited
to
start
up
again
or
to
resume
more
of
your
activities,
and
I
know
because
I
have
seen
this
in
so
many
sectors
how
much
work
you
have
put
into
plans
for
safe
reopening
and
I
know
the
impact
of
continued
closure.
B
So
I
want
to
stress
that
this
decision
to
delay
the
indicative
date
by
three
weeks
has
not
been
taken
lightly,
but
right
now,
given
the
rise
in
cases,
it
is
the
only
responsible
decision
we
can
reach
for
the
same
reason,
the
reopening
of
call
centres
and
offices
where
staff
are
still
working
from
home.
It
will
be
reviewed
again
on
the
first
of
october,
but
will
definitely
not
take
place
before
then.
For
now,
working
from
home
will
remain
the
default
position
again.
B
I
am
aware
of
the
impact
of
long-term
homework
on
many
businesses
and
employees,
and
also
on
shops,
cafes
and
bars,
which
normally
attract
trade
from
office
workers.
We
are
currently
working
with
partners,
including
the
scottish
chambers
of
commerce
and
the
stuc,
to
plan
for
a
safe,
phased
reopening
of
these
remaining
offices
when
circumstances
allow
that
planning
will
inform
future
route
map
review
decisions.
B
Finally,
before
I
move
on
to
further
measures
we
deem
necessary
to
reduce
the
spread
of
the
virus,
let
me
say
a
few
words
to
those
in
the
shielding
category.
We
will
continue
to
provide
as
much
information
and
advice
as
possible.
In
fact,
if
you
are
registered
with
the
shielding
sms
service
and
live
in
areas
where
there
have
been
local
outbreaks
such
as
aberdeen
or
glasgow,
you
will
have
received
text
messages,
alerting
you
to
changes
in
local
advice.
We've
also
published
a
guide
on
the
mygov.scope
website,
which
suggests
simple
things.
B
You
can
do
to
lower
your
risk
of
exposure,
and
you
will
receive
an
update
letter
soon
from
the
chief
medical
officer.
We
understand
that
the
recent
rising
cases
will
cause
concern.
However,
at
this
stage
we
do
not
plan
to
reintroduce
shielding.
Instead,
we
will
continue
to
give
you
the
information
you
need
to
help.
You
stay
safe,
exciting
officer.
In
addition
to
pausing
the
reopenings
that
had
been
planned
for
later
this
month,
we
have
concluded
that
it
is
necessary
to
tighten
some
existing
restrictions
to
help
curb
the
spread
of
the
virus,
especially
between
and
within
households.
B
As
of
now
up
to
eight
people
from
three
households
can
meet
indoors.
Larger
outdoor
gatherings
are
also
permitted.
I
can
confirm
that
we
intend
to
change
this
so
that
a
maximum
of
six
people
from
two
households
will
now
be
permitted
to
meet
together
to
help
reduce
transmission,
but
also
to
simplify
the
rules
as
much
as
possible.
This
new
limit
will
apply
both
indoors
in
houses,
pubs
and
restaurants,
and
also
outdoors,
including
in
private
gardens.
There
will
be
some
limited
exceptions,
for
example,
for
organised
sports
and
places
of
worship.
B
Also,
any
children
under
12,
who
are
part
of
two
households
meeting
up
won't
count
towards
the
limit
of
six
people
and,
lastly,
given
the
importance
of
these
life
events
and
the
distress
caused
by
not
being
able
to
mark
them,
we
intend
to
allow
a
limited
exception
for
funerals,
weddings
and
civil
partnerships
already
up
to
20.
People
can
attend
ceremonies
for
these
occasions
and
we
intend
to
retain
that
limit
for
now.
B
However,
from
monday,
that
limit
of
20
will
also
be
permitted
for
wakes
and
receptions
as
long
as
they
take
place
in
regulated
venues
like
hotels,
with
strict
guidance
in
place.
I
know
that
many
have
called
for
greater
consistency
in
the
arrangements
for
ceremonies
and
receptions,
and
so
I
hope
this
will
help
deliver
that
I'm
asking
people
to
abide
by
these
stricter
new
limits
on
gatherings
immediately.
B
However,
the
regulations
that
will
give
legal
effect
to
them
will
come
into
force
on
monday
and
more
detail
will,
of
course
be
available
on
the
scottish
government
website
and,
of
course,
for
now
for
people
living
in
glasgow,
east
or
west
in
bartonshire,
renfrewshire
and
east
renfrewshire.
The
advice
is
not
to
visit
other
households
at
all.
B
Let
me
also
re-emphasize
that
the
new
limit
of
six
people
from
two
households
will
also
apply
in
restaurants,
pubs
and
beer
gardens,
as
well
as
in
our
homes.
We
hope
that
by
reducing
the
risk
of
transmission
in
those
settings
it
will
help
to
keep
the
sector
open.
However,
I
can
confirm
that
we
have
decided
to
implement
two
additional
measures
to
reduce
the
risk
of
transmission
in
the
hospitality
sector.
B
First,
we
intend
to
make
it
mandatory
for
customers
in
hospitality
premises
to
wear
face
coverings
whenever
they
are
moving
around
and
not
eating
or
drinking,
for
example,
when
entering
and
going
to
a
table
or
to
the
bathroom
and
second
subject
to
some
exemptions.
We
will
also
make
it
mandatory,
rather
than
simply
in
guidance
for
staff
working
in
hospitality
premises
to
also
wear
face
coverings.
B
The
hospitality
industry
has
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
creating
safe
spaces
for
people
to
meet,
and
we
hope
these
additional
protections
will
help
ensure
that
the
sector
can
remain
open
with
high
levels
of
compliance.
Deciding
officer.
I'm
aware
that
the
announcements
I've
made
so
far
are
hard
for
people
to
hear
after
six
long
hard
months,
we
are
still
asking
the
public
to
make
a
lot
of
difficult
sacrifices.
B
That
is
unavoidable,
given
the
nature
of
the
challenge
we
face.
However,
I
want
to
be
clear
that
while
we
still
face
a
battle
to
keep
get
and
keep
covered
under
control,
we
are
in
a
stronger
position
than
earlier
in
the
year
test
and
protect
is
working
well
and
now
taking
a
lot
of
the
strain.
Without
it,
the
virus
would
be
spreading
further
and
faster,
and
we
would
require
to
apply
much
stricter
lockdown
measures
again
and
today,
a
significant
enhancement
of
test
and
protect
has
gone,
live.
B
The
protect
scotland
contact,
tracing
app
is
now
available
for
download
and
use
the
app
does
not
replace
our
current
test
and
protect
system.
It
adds
to
it
the
work
of
our
teams
on
the
ground,
interviewing
people
who
have
tested
positive,
getting
in
touch
with
close
contacts
and
making
recommendations
based
on
the
information
that
gather
will
remain
the
cornerstone
of
our
approach
to
controlling
outbreaks.
B
However,
the
app
is
an
important
addition
to
the
work
of
those
teams.
If
you
download
it,
you
will
receive
a
notification.
If
someone
you
have
been
in
close
proximity
to
tells
the
app
that
they
have
tested
positive.
It
will
be
particularly
useful
for
settings
such
as
public
transport,
where
we
tend
to
spend
time
in
close
proximity
to
people.
We
don't
know,
and
it
will
also
be
very
valuable,
as
students
arrive
back
at
university
or
college
for
the
new
term.
B
The
app
is
available
now
from
the
apple
and
google
play
app
stores
and
more
information
is
available
on
the
new
protect
dot,
scott
website,
the
app
operates
anonymously
and
confidentially,
and
the
simple
fact
is
that
the
more
of
us
who
download
and
use
it
the
more
effective
it
and
test
and
protect
overall
will
be
in
helping
us
beat
covet.
So
I
encourage
everyone
to
download
it
today
and
spread.
The
word
to
all
of
your
friends
and
family:
this
is
a
simple
but
very
powerful
thing.
B
All
of
us
can
do
as
individual
citizens
to
help
protect
scotland
as
a
whole
signing
officer
the
pause
in
our
route
map
and
the
new
restrictions
I
have
outlined
today
are
not
welcome.
I
know
that
the
scottish
government
did
not
want
to
have
to
impose
them,
but
they
are
necessary
and
they
reflect
the
fact
that
scotland,
like
the
rest
of
the
uk
europe
and
the
world,
is
currently
in
a
very
precarious
position.
B
B
It
is
vital
to
do
everything
we
can
to
stop
cases
rising
further
before
winter.
That
is
the
reason
for
the
decisions
I've
outlined
today.
These
steps
are
necessary
to
help
curb
a
virus
that
we
know
spreads
rapidly
whenever
it
gets
the
chance.
Of
course,
the
success
of
these
measures
depends
on
all
of
us.
This
is
still,
by
necessity,
a
collective
effort.
After
all,
while
government
actions
like
testing
and
contact
at
tracing
have
a
significant
role
to
play,
the
virus
unfortunately
doesn't
respond
to
government
instruction.
B
It
thrives
or
dies
according
to
how
people
behave.
It
spreads
when
we
give
opportunities
to
do
so,
and
it
goes
into
retreat
when
we
deny
it
those
opportunities,
and
although
none
of
us
can
guarantee
that
we
won't
get
or
spread
the
virus,
and
it
is
not
our
fault
when
we
do
it
is,
after
all,
highly
infectious.
We
can
all
do
our
bit
to
reduce
the
chances
of
that
happening.
I
know
that
making
these
choices,
keeping
our
distance
from
friends
staying
in
small
groups
washing
our
hands
regularly.
B
These
things
all
get
harder
and
much
much
more
tiresome
as
time
passes,
but
they
are
more
important
now
than
they
have
been
for
months
and
the
best
way
of
remembering
the
key
choices
we
all
must
make,
of
course
is
facts.
These
are
the
rules
that
will
help
us
to
protect
ourselves,
our
families
and
communities
and
the
nhs,
and
ultimately
they
will
help
us
save
lives.
We
should
not
lose
sight
of
that,
so
face
coverings
should
be
worn
in
enclosed
spaces,
avoid
crowded
areas
clean
your
hands
regularly
and
thoroughly
and
clean
hard
surfaces
after
touching
them.
B
Two
meter
distancing
remains
our
clear
advice
and
self-isolate
and
book
a
test
immediately.
If
you
have
symptoms
of
covet
those
symptoms,
of
course,
add
a
new
cough,
a
fever
or
a
loss
over
change
in
your
sense
of
taste
or
smell.
Keeping
to
those
basic
rules
is
not
easy,
but
it
remains
the
best
way
of
expressing
our
care
for
and
our
solidarity
with
each
other.
A
C
Thank
you,
presiding
officer,
anthony
the
first
minister
for
advanced
notice
of
her
statement.
The
sobering
news
here
in
scotland
and
across
the
rest
of
the
uk
over
the
last
few
days
has
been
a
reality
check
for
anyone
who
thought
that
the
pandemic
was
on
its
way
out.
It
is
clear
that
while
we
can
still
hope
for
further
progress
to
be
made
over
the
rest
of
this
year,
there
will
be
no
swift
return
to
normality.
C
We
all
recognize
the
importance
of
sticking
by
the
rules
of
washing
our
hands
of
socially
distancing
and
doing
our
bit
and
it's
down
to
each
and
every
one
of
us
and
each
and
every
one
of
us
will
benefit
if
we
do.
Last
night,
the
new
scottish
contact
tracing
act
was
launched.
Experts
at
university
college
london
have
said
that
the
uptake
of
such
an
app
would
need
to
be
between
56
and
95
percent.
For
it
to
be
successful
and
reaching
those
numbers
will
take
a
momentous
effort.
C
This
morning,
I,
along
with
thousands
of
scots,
did
my
bit
and
downloaded
it
to
my
phone
and
I've.
No
doubt
that
the
first
minister
did
too,
but
there
are
many
people
across
scotland
who
don't
regularly
use
apps
and
perhaps
aren't
as
addicted
to
their
phones
as
the
first
minister,
and
I
so
can
I
ask
what
is
being
done
to
ensure
that
everybody,
including
the
hardest
to
reach,
are
being
helped
in
adopting
this
new
technology?
C
B
Minister,
can
I
thank
ruth
davidson
for
her
question,
can
also
thank
her
for
personally
downloading
the
app
and
also
taking
the
opportunity
today
to
encourage
others
to
do
so.
I
would
appeal
to
members
across
the
chamber
to
follow
that
example.
This
is
not
political
in
any
way.
All
of
us
have
a
duty
to
ask
our
fellow
citizens
to
do.
The
right
thing
uptake,
of
course,
is
important,
which
is
why
is
so
vital
that
we
do
encourage
people
to
download
it?
B
There
are
other
views
about
whether
you
need
to
reach
a
a
specific
percentage.
I
take
the
view
that
the
higher
the
better
but
the
more
people
that
sign
up
the
better
everybody
who
signs
up
is
making
a
contribution.
When
I
left
my
office
to
come
to
the
chamber,
the
download
number
had
just
passed,
150
000,
which,
after
a
few
hours,
I
think,
is
really
good
progress.
B
I
hope
to
see
it
rise
further
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
days
there
will
be
from
tomorrow
a
major
advertising
campaign
to
back
it,
and
the
point
about
those
who
don't
routinely
use
smartphones
is
an
important
one,
and
it
is
for
that
reason,
amongst
other
reasons,
that
we
decided
not
to
base
our
entire
test
and
protect
system
on
a
proximity.
Tracing
app
and
we've
built
it
from
the
bottom
up.
Using
tried
and
tested
approaches
in
our
public
health
teams
and
and
the
app
is
an
enhancement
to
that.
B
B
Details
of
those
have
been
in
contact
with
taken
the
app
adds
to
that
system,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
to
recognize
that
the
real
value
of
the
app
is
that
it
will
help
us
notify
close
contacts
of
positive
cases
that
are
not
known
to
the
person
who
has
tested
positive
somebody
that
they
sat
close
to
on
a
bus
or
a
train
or
somebody
that
they
might
have
sat
close
to
a
pub
or
a
restaurant.
So
that
is
the
the
importance
of
the
enhancement
test
and
protect
is
working.
B
Well,
I
see
that
was
not
a
shred
of
complacency
and
the
most
up-to-date
figures
on
its
performance
were
published
by
public
health.
Scotland.
Yesterday,
still
at
this
stage
more
than
well
over
90
percent
of
index
cases
are
being
contacted
and
over
90
percent
of
close
contacts
are
being
contacted.
So
it's
working
well.
This
is
an
important
enhancement
and
I
hope
all
of
us
get
fully
behind.
A
C
Thank
the
first
minister
for
that
response,
and
we
all
hope
that
the
app
works
successfully,
but
what
we're
also
learning
as
we
go
on
through
this
is
that
to
get
ahead
of
the
virus.
We
must
fight
it
across
all
fronts,
and
testing
is
at
the
heart
of
that
and
at
present,
even
with
the
increase
in
testing.
The
first
minister
has
outlined
her
strategy,
focuses
on
symptomatic
cases,
on
surveillance
and
on
the
sick
and
high
risk,
and
she
made
no
mention
in
her
statement
today
on
wider
community
testing.
C
B
Working
with
the
uk
government
to
try
to
advance
mass
community
testing,
prime
minister
spoke
about
the
work
the
uk
government
is
doing
yesterday.
We
are
engaging
with
them
in
that,
as
the
uk
government
is
being
frank
about
not
all
of
that
technology
currently
exists
in
a
developed
enough
form.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
there
to
do
to
make
testing
available
on
a
mass
scale
and
in
a
way
that
is
rapid
and
easily
accessible,
but
we
continue
to
build
again
in
partnership
with
the
uk,
the
capacity
of
our
current
testing
system.
B
Our
approach
to
testing
is
set
out
in
our
current
testing
strategy.
We
keep
that
under
constant
review.
There
are
some
categories
of
people
where
we
test,
regardless
of
symptoms,
so
care
home
workers
are
tested
every
week,
whether
or
not
they
have
symptoms.
There
are
categories
of
patients
admitted
to
hospital
and
also
categories
of
staff
working
in
our
hospitals
who
are
tested
routinely
as
well,
and,
of
course,
people
working
in
our
education
system
can
access
testing
if
they
believe
they
may
have
been
exposed
to
the
virus.
C
Thank
you.
I
accept
that
the
technology
on
community
testing
is
complex
and
may
not
quite
be
there
yet,
but
we
have
seen
experts
such
as
professor
jose
vickers
boland,
the
chairman
of
infectious
diseases
at
edinburgh
university
and
professor
hugh
pennington,
explained
that
we
need
more
than
the
current
measures
if
we're
going
to
eradicate,
covert
19
and
identifying
the
asymptomatic
through
mass
testing
is
a
really
important
tool
to
do
so.
C
So
the
first
minister
says
that
she's
working
with
the
uk
government
towards
mass
testing-
and
I
think,
that's
really
positive,
but
I
was
wondering
if
she
was
able
to
give
a
bit
more
information
on
how
she
hopes
this
will
achieve.
And
if
she
has
any
time
scales
for
the
public
to
be
informed
about
that.
B
B
That's
why
the
development
and
launch
today
of
protect
scotland
is
so
important
and
why
we
haven't
initially
decided
not
to
have
a
scotland-specific
app
decided
to
do
it
when
we
saw
the
success
of
the
one
on
which
ours
is
based
in
the
republic
of
ireland
and
more
recently
in
northern
ireland.
So
we
will
focus
on
the
here
and
now
making
sure
that
people
who
need
testing
get
access
to
that
test
and
quickly.
This
the
testing
system
largely
is,
is
within
a
uk
wide
network.
B
C
Everyone
is
in
agreement
on
the
importance
of
testing
within
the
suite
of
tools
that
are
at
our
disposal.
So
could
I
ask
the
first
minister
about
a
very
specific
aspect
of
the
testing
regime.
We
found
out
yesterday
that
only
five
percent
of
those
people
who
are
coming
into
our
airports
have
been
contacted
by
the
national
contact
tracing
center.
The
most
recent
public
health,
scotland
statistical
report
said
that
631
people
were
contacted
out
of
the
13
607
that
were
required
to
quarantine.
C
C
B
There's
two
issues
here
that
I
think
are
wrapped
up
in
that
question
so
I'll
briefly,
take
them
separately.
There's
the
current
approach
from
public
health,
scotland
to
contact
a
sample
of
those
coming
into
the
country
every
week
who
are
required
to
quarantine.
We
set
a
target
of
20
or
450.
Whichever
was
the
greatest
at
last
weeks,
reached
631.
B
The
health
secretaries
recently
announced
additional
funding
for
new
contact
tracers
with
the
aim
of
contacting
up
to
2
000
passengers
a
week
from
october.
So
that's
under
the
current
system.
The
second
part
of
the
question
is:
is
there
an
alternative
to
quarantine
in
whole
or
in
part,
through
testing
of
people
coming
into
the
country?
B
We
have
been
discussing
that
with
airports
that
just
as
the
uk
government
has,
and
we
are
considering
that,
to
put
it
bluntly,
this
is
a
calculation
of
of
the
risk
of
different
approaches
and
the
risk
we
think
it
is
appropriate
to
take.
We
know
that
people
that
the
incubation
period
for
this
virus
is
14
days.
So,
if
you
test
somebody
coming
into
the
country
on
day,
one
who
test
negative,
it
doesn't
mean
they
will
not
test
positive.
B
A
day
or
four
days
or
14
days
later,
so
you
would
have
to
do
testing
at
different
points
and
not
everybody
would
be
captured.
That
said,
to
be
frank,
not
everybody
is
captured
by
quarantine
either.
So
this
is
a
balance
of
risk
and
those
discussions
are
ongoing
and
I
would
hope
that
in
time
in
not
too
much
time,
we
would
have
alternatives
to
quarantine
that
allowed
us
to
make
more
use
of
testing.
E
Thank
you,
presiding
officer,
and
can
I
thank
the
first
minister
for
advanced
site
of
her
statement
when
we
started
to
come
out
of
lockdown,
we
made
clear
our
view
that
there
must
be
the
agility
to
pause,
to
go
back
as
well
as
to
go
forward
in
this
process
and
also
that
there
must
be
transparency
in
the
science
to
back
this
up.
The
science
tells
us
that
across
much
of
scotland,
the
virus
is
on
the
rise
again
and
that
there
is
no
room
for
complacency.
E
E
E
B
I
I
didn't
see
the
particular
comments
that
richard
leonard
referred
to,
but,
as
I
said
yesterday,
when
asked
about
other
comments
of
professor
balda,
I
listened
to
her
very
carefully.
I
think
she
is
one
of
the
many
experts
we're
lucky
to
have
in
scotland
who
talks
a
lot
of
sense
and
her
advice
is,
is
always
important
in
terms
of
I'm
going
to
try
not
to
be
too
lengthy
or
too
technical
here.
B
The
issues
richard
leonard
raises
are
important
and
very
legitimate,
and
we
are
working
our
way
through
these
to
make
sure
that
as
we
go
forward,
we
continue
to
build
both
the
capacity
and
the
resilience
of
the
testing
system.
The
technical
bits
which
I
won't
go
into
at
too
much
length
is,
as
I
alluded
to
to
ruth
davidson.
The
large
part
of
our
testing
system
is
part
of
a
uk-wide
network
and
that's
the
glasgow
lighthouse
lab
and
the
drive-through
centres,
and
therefore
capacity
and
access
to
testing
is
managed
across
the
uk.
B
We
are
working
with
the
uk
to
make
sure
that
scotland's
access
to
capacity
is
appropriate
and
fair
and
over
the
past
few
weeks,
actually,
we
have
probably
used
more
than
a
population
share
of
that.
That
is
partly
because
of
the
rise
in
demand,
as
our
schools
went
back,
which
we've
seen
recede
a
little
bit
and
over
the
last
few
days,
while
there
will
be
issues.
B
I
know
there
have
been
some
issues
about
turnaround
time
of
postal
tests,
for
example,
and
over
the
last
few
days
we
have
not
seen
issues
with
people
who
need
testing
in
scotland
getting
access
to
that
testing,
or,
as
was
the
case
when
schools
went
back
being
referred
to
testing
centres
that
are
some
distance
away.
What
we
have
seen
and
again
this
will
be
a
reflection
of
england's
schools.
Going
back
is
a
rise
in
demand
in
england
that
reflected
hours
when
our
schools
went
back
and
that's
where
we
have.
I
don't
want
to
overstate
this.
B
I
have
some
concern
that
we
may,
when
we
see
rises
in
demand
in
england.
We
may
see
that
impact
on
scotland's
access
to
testing
and
that's
why
we
continue
to
to
work
closely
with
the
uk
government
on
that,
but,
right
now
and
over
at
the
last
number
of
days,
there
hasn't
been
an
issue
with
people
in
scotland
who
need
testing
getting
rapid
access
to
testing
the
figures
that
richard
leonard
quoted.
B
They
actually
figured
reported
yesterday
for
the
day
before
at
today's
figure,
which
I
appreciate
is
not
published
yet
so
richard
leonard
couldn't
be
expected
to
have
it.
I
think
yesterday
was
around
17
000
tests
carried
out.
That's
test
carried
out
at
not
the
capacity
capacity
right
now
for
some
of
the
reasons
I've
talked
about
fluctuates
on
a
daily
basis.
E
The
scotland,
the
scottish
children's
services
coalition,
forecast
that
scotland's
children
and
young
people
face,
in
their
words
a
perfect
storm
and
they
called
for,
in
their
words,
a
national
crusade
to
tackle
this.
They
said
that
the
government
needs
to
work
urgently
with
the
relevant
authorities
to
ensure
that
not
only
is
there
sufficient
provision
available
at
the
local
community
level,
but
that
this
is
clearly
communicated
and
easily
accessible
for
young
people
and
their
parents
or
carers.
E
B
Thank
richard
leonard
for
that
question.
I'll
come
on
to
that.
I
just
want
to
cover
off
a
part
of
his
previous
question.
Just
for
the
in
the
interest
of
of
public
understanding,
the
target
figure
is
for
capacity
and
we
are
deliberately
have
been
deliberately
seeking
to
build
a
capacity
that
we
will
need
in
winter,
so
it
is
much
higher
than
the
one
that
the
demand
we
have
right
now.
It
requires
the
figure
that
richard
leonard
quoted,
which
he
is
right
for
the
day
before
yesterday.
That
is
the
demand
figure
and
that
is
demand
led.
B
So
it's
not.
It's
not
accurate
right
now
to
compare
those
two
figures
and-
and
I
know
these
things
are-
are
complex,
but
we
have
a
capacity
target
that
is
designed
to
reflect
what
we
anticipate
demand
will
be
in
the
winter,
not
necessarily
what
demand
is
right
now
on
the
issue
of
young
people
and
mental
health,
there
are
a
few
more
important
things
in
our
response
to
this
than
at
catering
for
the
needs
of
young
people.
Everybody
has
found
the
last
six
months
extremely
difficult,
but
there's
no
group
in
our
population.
B
B
Firstly,
that
was
why
it
was
so
important
to
get
children
back
to
school
full-time,
and
I
am
pleased
that
we
were
able
to
do
that,
and
I
am
pleased
that
so
far
we
have
been
able
to
keep
schools
open
and
part
of
the
cautious
approach
that
richard
leonard
has
supported
is
to
enable
us
to
keep
schools
open.
We
also
are
mindful
of
the
need
to
ensure
that
mental
health
services
are
appropriate.
We,
as
many
of
the
members
in
the
chamber,
will
have
commented
on
and
will
have
had,
interactions
on
before.
B
We
already
had
a
challenge
with
child
and
adolescent
mental
health
services.
We
were
before
covered
in
a
process
of
redesign
and
investment
in
those
services
at
that
work
continues
and,
and
of
course,
we'll
now
require
to
make
sure
that
we
take
account
of
the
effects
of
covert.
So,
for
example,
the
commitment
to
have
counsellors
in
schools
is
one
that
will
be
delivered
by
next
month
and,
of
course,
we
continue
to
take
forward
plans
for
a
community
well-being
service,
more
accessible
in
a
preventative
sense
to
young
people
who
require
it.
E
Thank
you
and
let
me
come
on
to
children
and
adolescent
mental
health
services,
because
I
think
that
is
central
to
this
question.
The
scottish
children's
services
coalition
also
warned
last
week
that
the
covert
19
restrictions
have
negatively
impacted
on
young
people
struggling
already
with
anxiety
and
depression.
E
They
go
so
far
as
to
warn
of
a
lost
generation,
but
services
are
still
not
equipped
to
deal
with
the
demand
that
there
is
it's
now
two
years
on
from
that
damning
audit
scotland
report
into
rejected
calms
referrals,
which
made
29
critical
recommendations
to
overhaul
the
system,
but
the
fact
is
only
seven
of
those
recommendations
have
been
actioned
to
date.
Two
years
ago,
when
that
report
first
came
out,
I
asked
the
first
minister
if
she
would
reform
the
system
of
referrals,
but
it
remains
largely
unreformed
unchanged
and
now.
E
Figures
from
over
the
lockdown
show
a
55
drop
in
calms
referrals.
They
show
that
over
1
100
young
people
have
been
waiting
more
than
a
year
for
treatment,
but
they
also
show
that,
between
april
and
june
this
year,
over
900
referrals
to
calm
were
again
rejected.
This
was
supposed
to
have
changed.
Will
the
first
minister
accept
that
her
government
has
failed
to
implement
the
recommendations
of
the
2018
calms
audit
scotland
report
into
rejected
referrals?
E
B
What
many
health
boards
have
done-
and
I
know
greater
glasgow
and
clyde-
have
done
particular
work
around
this-
is
to
use,
unfortunately,
the
necessity
of
of
reduced
referrals
to
catch
up
on
some
of
their
longer
waiting
patients,
so
that
work
has
been
done
during
at
the
pandemic
period.
The
work
to
reform.
We
have
continued
over
the
past
couple
of
years
to
invest
heavily
in
cams
services.
B
There
are
more
people
working
in
camp
services,
but
fundamentally
what
we
require
to
do
is
is
reform
so
that
there
is
more
emphasis
on
prevention
and
early
intervention
and
less
on
specialist
services,
so
that
specialist
services
are
there
for
those
who
need
it.
That
work
is
underway.
We'll
pick
up
again
as
hopefully
we
come
out
of
the
covered
situation.
I
refer
to
the
councillors
and
schools
and
the
well-being
service.
F
The
scottish
greens
are
deeply
concerned
about
the
rise
in
new
infections
in
scotland,
and
some
experts
are
warning.
This
could
be
the
the
start
of
a
second
wave,
but
we
mustn't
treat
it
as
inevitable.
We
can
stop
the
rise
to
do
so.
We
need
to
put
aside
any
hint
of
a
blame
game
and
work
together,
as
the
first
minister
has
indicated.
This
must
not
be
about
stigmatizing,
for
example
young
people
or
any
other
group
in
the
population.
F
It's
about
providing
clear
rules
and
ensuring
systems
and
support
are
in
place
so
that
they
can
be
followed.
We
saw
that
the
testing
system
did
break
down
when
children
returned
to
school
last
month
and
next
week
universities
will
commence
their
terms.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
same
doesn't
happen
again,
so
that
students
and
staff
are
kept
safe.
Can
the
first
minister
confirm
how
many
walk-in
testing
centres
are
open
and
operational
in
our
university
towns,
and
can
she
reassure
students
and
staff
that
demand
will
be
met.
B
Firstly,
can
I
thank
patrick
harvey
for
his
support
of
protect
scotland.
I
I
I'm
told
that
since
we've
been
speaking
it
first,
mrs
questions
that
another
50
000
people
have
downloaded
it.
So
it's
now
over
200
000,
which
is
very
positive.
It
can
also
endorse
his
comment
that
we
mustn't
treat
a
continued
resurgence
of
covid
as
inevitable.
That
doesn't
mean
we
should
underestimate
how
difficult
it
is
to
keep
it
under
control
and
drive
it
further,
particularly
as
we
go
into
the
winter,
but
we
must
focus
on
doing
that.
B
We
mustn't
see
it
as
inevitable
that
we
just
have
to
to
deal
with
a
second
wave,
and
I
will
this
afternoon
I
get
information
to
patrick
harvey.
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
of
the
sequence
of
the
walk-in
centers
that
we
have
committed
to
have
in
place
over
at
this
month,
what
the
the
order
is
and
the
dates
that
they
will
open.
The
one
in
andrews
is
already
open,
as
I've
already
indicated.
B
F
The
teaching
union
eis
warned
yesterday
that
children
with
additional
support
needs
currently
receiving
inadequate
support
in
our
schools,
particularly
those
with
more
complex
needs,
and
this
is
because
staffing
levels
are
simply
insufficient
for
teachers
to
be
able
to
follow
the
guidance
while
providing
the
close
contact
and
support
that
these
pupils
need.
One
teacher
said
that,
in
addition
to
their
usual
job,
teachers
are
also
having
to
do
the
enhanced
cleaning,
that's
required
throughout
the
day,
because
there
are
no
cleaning
staff
available.
F
Asn
pupils
are
some
of
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
schools
and
very
often
they
suffered
the
most
during
lockdown.
It
simply
isn't
good
enough
if
they're
not
getting
the
support
and
resources
that
they
need
to
thrive.
So
what
will
the
first
minister
do
today
to
provide
the
enhanced
staffing
that's
needed
so
that
teachers
can
do
the
best
for
all
pupils
with
additional
support
needs
in
this
challenging
time?
First,
minister,.
B
We
have
already
taken
significant
action
and
I
don't
underestimate
how
challenging
this
is
for
teachers
across
our
education
system,
additional
funding,
I
think
from
memory.
50
million
pounds
has
been
made
available
to
local
authorities
to
help
with
things
like
enhanced
cleaning.
We
have
also
made
funding
available
to
increase
substantially
the
number
of
teachers
working
in
our
schools
to
help
with
exactly
the
challenges
that
patrick
harvey
talks
about.
B
Is
that
we're
seeing
school
attendance
rising
and
the
numbers
of
young
people
that
are
absent
from
school
for
covert
related
reasons
has
reduced
quite
significantly
since
the
first
few
days
of
the
term.
So
we
keep
and
the
education
secretary
it
keeps
very
close
to
all
of
these
things
as
we
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
those
working
on
the
front
line,
whether
that's
over
education
system
or
our
nhs,
have
the
support
and
the
resources
that
they
need.
G
Can
I
thank
the
first
minister
for
advanced
site
of
the
statement
we
are
now
facing
months
more
under
the
thumb
of
this
virus.
The
first
minister
says
test
and
protect
is
working
well,
but
when
I
asked
her
in
committee
yesterday,
professor
linderbald
warned
that
the
test
half
isn't
fully
working
and
is
causing
concern.
G
B
No,
I
don't
think
that
anything
that
these
things,
that
any
of
us
are
doing
right
now
are
necessarily
enough.
That's
why
we
continue
to
support,
expand
and
build
resilience
of
these
systems.
I
think
test
and
protect
is
working
well,
and
I
think
the
evidence
is
there
to
support
that.
The
test
part
of
test
and
protect,
as
I
was
talking
in
detail
about
to
ruth
davidson,
is
part
of
a
networked
uk
system.
B
B
We've
procured
here
in
scotland
already
tests
that
are
done
much
much
more
quickly
at
point
a
of
of
care,
and
so
these
things
are
important
on
an
ongoing
basis.
The
protect
part
of
test
and
protect
is
probably
working
even
better
in
the
numbers
that
are
published
and
again
we
are
not
complacent
about
these,
and
this
is
what
I
think
scotland
is
doing,
perhaps
a
bit
better
than
some
other
parts
of
the
uk.
B
We
are
seeing
well
over
90
percent
of
contacts
traced
well
over
90
of
index
cases
traced
and
well
over
90
of
contacts
on
quarantine.
I
I
accept
the
challenges
around
quarantine,
both
in
terms
of
the
challenges
for
the
traveling
public
and
airports
and
airlines,
but
also
the
challenges
of
any
system
of
being
absolutely
watertight
and
feel
proof,
and
therefore
we
have
to
look
at
both
how
we
tighten
that
up
and
look
at
alternative
ways,
and
we
continue
to
do
that.
None
of
this
is
straightforward.
B
None
of
this
is
easy,
but
it
is
all
important
to
try
to
keep
this
virus
under
control.
What
I
would
say-
and
it
relates
back
to
patrick
harvey's
comment-
is
that
we
we
should
be
very
vigilant
about
the
situation
we're
in
right
now.
We
should
be
very
cautious.
We
should
hear
the
warning
signs
very
loudly,
but
we
should
also
reflect
on
the
progress
we
have
made
since
the
earlier
part
of
the
year.
B
We
are
in
a
stronger
position
and
that
hopefully
means
if
we
all
government
especially
do
the
right
things
and
the
public
all
as
they
have
done
so
well,
get
behind
all
of
the
public
health
advice.
Then
we
don't
have
to
accept
the
inevitability
of
what
might
otherwise
happen.
We
can
all
have
an
impact
in
keeping
it
under
control.
G
I
would
urge
the
first
minister
to
read
the
full
transcript
of
yesterday's
committee,
because
the
the
professor
bald
was
very
concerned
about
the
first
half
of
test
and
protect
and
the
testing
capacity
and
the
testing
utilization
and-
and
she
also
did
was
very
concerned
about
the
quarantine
aspects
as
well,
because,
as
we've
seen
from
this
week's
figures,
over
800
people
have
now
been
missed
by
the
quarantine,
spot
checks
and
when
one
and
four
are
not
complying.
That
is
a
real
concern
and
we
are
turning
a
dark
corner
in
people's
hopes
and
expectations
in
people's
minds.
G
We
were
preparing
for
recovery
for
the
elimination
of
the
virus,
now
we're
being
taken
back.
So
I
was
very
concerned
about
what
professor
bald
also
said
yesterday
that
when
she
warned
about
social
unrest,
I
was
very
concerned
about
that.
So
can
the
first
minister
say
what
plans
she
has
on
that
front
and
how
well
she
will
avoid
that
social
unrest
first,
minister,
can.
B
I
say
firstly
before
I
come
on
to
those
comments,
and
all
of
this
is
elected.
Politicians
should
see
it
as
part
of
our
duty
to
avoid
social
unrest
and
take
the
responsibility
to
explain
and
encourage
the
public
to
do
the
right
things
that
he
sees
us
and
I
think
everybody
across
the
chamber
it
does
that
on
the
issues
of
testing
and
quarantine,
I
am
not
blind
to
the
challenges
there
at
all.
I
take
these
things
very
seriously
with
the
test
part
of
test
and
protect.
B
We
do
because
of
the
way
the
system
is
structured
required
to
work
with
the
uk
government.
That
sometimes
makes
those
challenges
more
difficult,
but
it
is
nevertheless
the
right
thing
to
do
to
make
sure
we
have
that
system
operating
across
the
whole
of
the
uk
and
on
quarantine.
One
point
actually
that
I
don't
think
is
fully
understood
about
quarantine,
although
I
accept
its
limitations-
and
I
accept
the
desirability
of
having
alternative
approaches-
is
that
every
single
person
who
comes
into
the
country
who's
required
to
quarantine.
100
of
them
are
contacted
by
email.
B
The
phone
call
follow-up
is
the
sample
bit
of
that.
So
there
is
contact
with
everyone,
and
but
yes,
we
have
to
work
hard
to
make
the
systems
that
we
have
in
place
to
mitigate
this.
All
the
more
effective
can,
I
say,
elimination
is
still
and
must
still
be.
Our
objective
elimination
is
not
a
fixed
point
in
time.
B
It
gets
harder
for
all
of
us.
I
think
every
single
one
of
us
can
identify
with
this
and
therefore
the
duty
on
all
of
us
as
politicians,
principally
me-
and
I
I
accept
that-
is
to
explain
as
clearly
as
possible
why
we're
asking
people
to
do
certain
things
and
what
the
reasons
for
that
is,
and
also
to
you
know
where
necessary:
have
enforcement
in
place
where
people
who
are
flagrantly
breaching
the
law
have
consequences
of
that.
A
B
I
have
expressed
like
many
people
before
my
deep
concern
about
the
greater
risk
to
women
and
children
of
domestic
abuse
during
the
pandemic
and
would
again
make
a
plea
to
anyone
suffering
domestic
abuse
to
seek
the
help
that
is
there.
Police
scotland
continues
to
prioritize
domestic
abuse
cases
and
we
are
focused
on
ensuring
that
frontline
services
continue
to
provide
support.
H
Thank
the
first
minister
for
that
answer,
and
I
do
want
to
turn
to
the
domestic
abuse
bill.
Women
who
are
experiencing
abuse
often
have
to
make
a
devastating
choice
between
staying
in
the
home,
with
the
perpetrator
or
making
themselves
and
their
children
homeless
to
get
away
from
abuse.
One
way
of
giving
women
much
to
the
breathing
space
in
these
situations
is
through
emergency
protective
orders.
Can
the
first
minister
outline
how
the
new
domestic
abuse
bill
will
give
police
and
courts
powers
to
ban
domestic
abusers
from
victims,
homes.
D
B
These
measures
are
intended
to
provide
protection
for
the
person
at
risk
and
enable
them
to
take
steps
to
address
their
longer-term
safety
and
housing
without
them
becoming
homeless,
in
order
to
protect
themselves.
So
I
hope
these
measures,
which
of
course,
still
have
to
have
the
full
scrutiny
of
parliament,
will
help
considerably
to
protect
those
who
are
most
at
risk
of
domestic
abuse.
I
B
The
global
downturn
in
aviation
caused
by
covet
has
had
a
significant
impact
on
airports
and
airlines
around
the
world,
including
here
we've
provided
support
to
the
sector
within
the
powers
available
to
us.
Airports
and
ground
handling
companies
have
been
granted
100
non-domestic
rates
relief
this
year
and,
of
course,
we've
also
called
in
the
uk
government
to
extend
the
job
retention
scheme
to
help
the
aviation
industry
through
the
winter
season.
B
Our
immediate
focus
is
on
helping
airports
recover
their
route
networks
to
maximize
the
potential
for
a
return
to
connectivity
and
employment,
and-
and
we
will
also
do
everything
we
can
to
help
airports,
secure
new
routes
and,
of
course,
there's
a
good
record
in
scotland
and
that
in
2019
scotland
was
better
connected
than
ever
before.
It
will
take
time
for
demand
to
return.
Indeed,
it
will
take
time
for
us
to
recommend
that
people
travel
as
they
did
before,
but
we
will
continue
in
the
meantime
to
do
what
we
can
to
help
the
sector
recover.
I
Thanks
for
that
answer,
over
the
past
week,
I've
spoken
to
airport
bosses
at
glasgow.
Edinburgh
and
aberdeen
they've
painted
a
dire
picture
where
thousands
of
jobs
could
be
at
risk,
and
scotland
certainly
won't
be
connected
to
the
world
they're
crying
out
for
help
and,
as
the
first
minister
knows,
they
want
an
airport
testing
regime
that
could
reduce
the
need
to
quarantine.
I've
also
spoken
to
the
wider
travel
sector
bar
head
travel,
told
me.
Scotland
risks
losing
an
industry
that
contributes
1.7
billion
pounds
to
our
economy
and
employs
over
20
25
000
people.
I
B
As
I
said
to
early
rainy,
there
is
a
hundred
percent
contact
with
people
coming
into
the
country
subject
to
quarantine.
They
are
all
contacted
by
email
and
then
there
is
a
sample
contact
by
telephone
and
of
others.
And
of
course
there
is
the
the
ability
for
public
health
scotland
to
involve
the
police
if
there
is
concerns
about
flagrant
breach
on
the
issue
of
testing
on
day
one,
if
you,
if
you
took
an
approach
that
simply
tested
people
on
day
one
coming
into
the
country.
B
Yes,
you
may
test
a
hundred
percent
of
people,
but
you
would
let
into
the
country
after
that,
a
significant
percentage
who
actually
had
covered,
but
because
they
were
at
an
early
stage
in
the
incubation
period,
tested
negative
in
the
test.
The
test,
unfortunately,
and
doesn't
so
we
can
test
and
what
has
been
explored
is
the
ability
to
test
at
day
one
and
then
later
on.
B
B
I
I
think
he'll
find
that
there's
not
as
much
disagreement
between
us
on
this,
as
he
perhaps
thinks,
but
if
this
was
as
simple
as
he
is
making
it
out
to
be,
then
presumably
his
colleagues
in
the
uk
government
would
already
have
done
this,
but
they
haven't
done
it
for
the
same
reasons.
The
scottish
government
hasn't
yet
done
this.
These
are
complex
issues
both
in
terms
of
public
health
and
in
terms
of
logistics
and
efficacy
and
practicality.
So
we
are
all
working
through
these
issues
as
carefully
and
as
quickly
as
we
can.
J
B
Temporary
exemptions
were
created
in
may,
which
allowed
for
placements
in
hotels
and
b
b's
where
needed,
and
that
has
effectively
kept
people
off
the
streets
and
in
safe
and
secure
accommodation
during
the
pandemic.
We're
extending
these
exemptions
until
the
end
of
january,
given
the
ongoing
challenges
we
still
face
and
we
recognize
the
challenges
local
authorities
are
facing
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
care,
where
supplies
of
suitable
temporary
accommodation
have
been
limited
due
to
restrictions
to
the
turnover
of
void
properties
as
a
result
of
lockdown.
J
And
so
we
wholeheartedly
welcomed
the
decision
to
extend
the
seven
day
restriction
spent
and
unsuitable
accommodation
to
all
people
to
ensure
that
all
homeless
people
are
treated
equally.
I
accept
that
first
minister,
says
about
the
challenges
in
today's
world,
but
I
would
like
just
guarantee
her
from
a
commitment
that
she
can
give
and
as
soon
as
practically
possible
in
january,
that
that
time
table
will
not
slip
unless
there's
another
good
reason.
In
order
to
do
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
First.
B
I
I've
already
said
we
are
very
committed
to
doing
this
within
this
parliamentary
term,
given
the
circumstances
we're
in
just
now.
It
would
not
be
responsible
of
me
to
to
say
that,
without
any
caveat
I
100
agree
with
paulie
mcneill
on
this
permanent
settled.
Accommodation
is
always
better
in
normal
times
than
b,
b
and
temporary
accommodation,
but
in
this
pandemic
situation,
because
of
some
of
the
wider
factors
we've
had
to
deal
with,
often
it
is
access
to
the
bnb
and
temporary
accommodation.
That
is
the
difference
from
somebody
being
on
the
streets
and
not
safe.
B
So
we
have
to
see
this
relative
situation
given
those
circumstances.
Hopefully
by
january
we
will
be
in
a
better
position.
The
commitment
is
there
and
it
is
strong,
but
in
this
situation
we
have
to
be
aware
of
the
the
uncertainties
and
we
have
to
recognize
that
the
most
important
thing
of
all
is
to
ensure
that,
during
a
pandemic,
people
are
not
on
the
streets,
and
if
that
means
in
these
unique
circumstances,
that
is
in
bnb
or
temporary
accommodation,
that
is
better
than
on
the
streets
in
normal
times
settled.
K
Hey,
thank
you.
I
think
the
first
minister
may
be
aware
of
glasgow
rocks,
who
are
scotland's
leading
basketball
team
and
are
based
in
my
constituency,
they're,
very
worried
at
the
moment
about
whether
elite
players
will
have
to
come
in
through
quarantine
and
also
when
spectators
can
come
back.
Can
she
offer
them
any
reassurance?
First,
minister,.
L
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
First,
minister
you'll
be
aware
that
37
people
in
granton
on
spay
have
tested
positive
for
covert
19,
including
a
care
home
worker
at
the
outset,
given
the
concerns
of
staff
and
residents
and
at
their
request,
I
contacted
the
cabinet
secretary
for
health
and
she
confirmed
that
the
test
carried
out
in
this
care
home
were
being
diverted
to
reg
more
for
analysis.
L
However,
the
director
of
public
health
of
nhs
highland
confirmed
that
nhs
highland
could
not
actually
analyze
the
types
of
tests
which
have
been
diverted
to
them.
First,
minister,
can
you
explain
why
the
scottish
government,
please
diverted
tests
to
a
lab
that
could
not
analyze
them
and
indeed
subsequently
lost
them,
requiring
a
complete
retesting
and
subs
subsequent
delays?
And
can
you
please
give
me
an
undertaking
that
you
will
personally
investigate
these
issues
because
they
don't
give
me
all
the
residents
of
grantham
the
confidence
in
the
test
and
protect
system
which
we
should
have,
especially
as
nhs.
B
I
I
will
absolutely
have
the
health
secretary
look
into
the
specific
issues
that
are
raised.
I'm
not
aware
of
the
the
particular
problems
around
testing.
What
I
do
know
is
that
the
local
teams
in
granting
spay
have
been
working
very
hard
and
I
think
very
effectively
to
make
sure
that
this
cluster
of
cases
is
kept
under
control
and
the
cluster.
It
now
is
37
cases
that
certainly
the
last
information
I
had
most
of
them
linked
to
local
abattoir
in
just
two
cases
in
the
wider
community.
B
M
Thank
you,
president
officer.
Last
month,
the
minister
for
public
health
said
that
independent
dentists
were
being
encouraged
to
follow
the
spirit
of
the
root
map.
But
constituents
tell
me
it's
still
the
case
that
those
who
can
afford
private
dental
care
have
access
to
a
wide
range
of
treatments
unavailable
to
nhs
patients.
B
In
somebody-
yes,
the
of
course,
since
the
answer
that
public
health
minister
gave
there
has
been.
I
think
if,
if
I
got
the
timing
of
that
right
movement
in
what
nhs
dentists
are
able
to
offer
in
terms
of
services,
so
aerosol
generating
procedures
for
urgent
care
are
now
possible
in
terms
of
dentists,
delivering
private
care.
B
There
is
a
different
relationship
between
them
and
the
scottish
government,
but
we
absolutely
encourage
them,
and
the
national
clinical
director,
of
course,
with
a
dentistry
background,
has
encouraged
them
to
comply
with
the
guidance
set
out
for
the
the
dental
profession.
The
chief
dental
officer
has
worked
very
hard
with
the
profession
generally.
Our
focus
is
on
as
quickly
and
as
soon
as
it
is
safely
possible
to
allow
people
access
to
the
fullest
possible
range
of
dental
services
on
the
nhs
throughout
the
pandemic.
B
Of
course,
there
have
been
a
number
of
emergency
centres
across
the
country
that
have
allowed
people
access
for
urgent
and
emergency
care
if
I've
not
covered.
Every
aspect
of
the
question
in
my
answer
I'll
ask
the
minister
for
public
health
to
write
to
the
member
with
a
fuller
update
of
what
is
now
possible
and
what
we
hope
to
make
possible
in
the
coming
weeks.
N
B
Okay,
I'm
getting
a
running
commentary
on
download
from
the
deputy
first
minister
here,
who
tells
me:
we've
now
passed
a
quarter
of
a
million
people
in
scotland
who
have
signed
up
to
the
app
which
is
fantastic
and
my
thanks
to
everybody
and
if
you're,
amongst
the
those
who
haven't
please
please
do
so.
Privacy
and
confidentiality
has
been
absolutely
the
center
of
at
the
development
of
this
app.
B
So
when
somebody
I'm
not
a
technical
expert,
the
app
it
doesn't
track
your
location,
it
basically
generates
a
random
codes
that
tell
whether
you've
been
in
contact
with
someone
within
the
two
meters
for
15
minutes
or
more.
Those
codes
are
only
retained
for
I
think
14
days,
but
they
allow
people
to
be
notified
and
there
is
no
passing
on
of
data.
There
is
very
minimal
data
actually
collected
by
the
app
and,
of
course,
if
you
are
told
that
you
have
been
in
close
contact
with
somebody
who's
tested
positive,
you
are
not.
B
O
Thank
you,
presiding
officer.
This
week
the
scottish
government
announced
that
it
was
unable
to
agree
financial
support
to
outdoor
education
centres
and,
as
a
result,
closures
may
now
well
be
inevitable.
For
many
young
people,
these
breaks
were
often
the
only
opportunity
to
enjoy
life
enhancing
experiences.
O
This
could
also
result
in
loss
of
employment
in
rural
areas
where
jobs
are
at
a
premium.
Therefore,
will
the
first
minister
and
her
government
reconsider
the
stance
and
commit
to
investing
in
these
facilities,
which
will
help
ensure
the
health
and
mental
well-being
of
young
people
going
forward
during
this
covert
19
crisis?.
B
I
absolutely
agree
with
the
value
of
outdoor
education
centres
and
the
importance
of
the
work
that
they
do
is
regrettable
that,
because
of
public
health
advice,
the
services
that
they
are
able
to
offer
overnight
services
are
still
limited,
and
it's
important
to
say,
though,
that
many
organizations
with
outdoor
education
centers
are
in
the
third
sector,
so
they
have
been
able
to
supply
for
support
through
the
third
sector.
Resilience
fund
and
education
centres
can
also
access
financial
support
through
the
uk
government's
job
retention
scheme,
and
hopefully
that
will
be
continued.
B
We
will
continue
to
work
with
the
sector.
We
funded
the
scottish
advisory
panel
for
outdoor
education
to
develop
guidance
for
schools
and
councils
on
day
visits
to
outdoor
centres.
Guidance
was
published
in
mid-august.
I
think,
because
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
sector
to
maximize
what
they
can
do
and
what
they
can
offer,
which,
of
course,
is
a
way
of
ensuring
maximum
income,
but
we
absolutely
understand
the
importance
of
this
and
will
continue
to
work
with
the
sector
to
provide
whatever
support
is
possible.
P
Yesterday
I
saw
one
gentleman
who
are
recognizing.
I
know
he
has
underlying
health
issues
saying
he
was
in
his
local
co-op.
There
was
no
social,
social
distance
and
and
people
were
not
wearing
masks.
I've
experienced
that
myself,
so
my
question
is:
will
the
government
talk
to
the
retail
sector
and
talk
about
how
we
have
to
remain
vigilant
and
protect
people?
P
B
I've
had
emails,
sent
to
me
of
systems
that
were
put
in
place
at
the
outset.
One-Way
systems,
for
example,
that
that
retail
is
not
doing
now.
Now.
Retail
shops
are
of
different
shapes
and
sizes.
They
have
to
put
in
place
the
systems
that
work
for
them,
but
there
is
guidance
in
place
for
sectors
across
our
economy
and
we
expect
these
sectors
to
comply
with
that
guidance,
and
we
will
in
direct
response
to
the
question
alec
rowley
asked
me.
B
Which
is
why
I
would
appeal
to
the
public
make
sure
you're
waiting
your
face
covering
make
sure
you're
taking
responsibility
for
physical
distancing
as
well
and
don't
be
given
any
grief
to
shock
workers
who
are
asking
you
to
do
these
things
because
they
are
doing
their
job
and
and
they're
doing
it
responsibly.
I
keep
coming
back
to
this
point.
I
don't
want
this
to
sound.
B
You
know
saccharine
and
cliched,
but
if
we're
going
to
get
through
this-
and
we
will
get
through
this-
it
takes
the
effort
of
all
of
us.
This
is
the
the
the
time
in
my
life.
The
only
time
I
can
remember
where.
Actually,
it
is
true
to
say
that
none
of
us
can
cope
alone
here,
it's
the
collective
efforts
of
all
of
us
that
will
determine
how
successfully
and
how
quickly
we
get
through
this.
B
So
every
single
one
of
us
has
a
part
to
play,
and
I
appeal
to
everybody:
this
is
all
an
enormous
pain
in
the
neck,
but
it
is
really
important
to
keep
everybody
including
shot
workers
safe.
So,
let's
at
this
moment
all
resolve
to
just
tighten
up
our
compliance
with
all
of
this,
and
if
we
do
that,
then
we
will
get
through
it
more
quickly.
Q
Thank
you
presiding
officer.
First,
minister,
wilson,
priority
remains
minimizing
infection
and
saving
lives.
When
it
comes
to
post-travel
quarantine,
can
it
be
done
differently?
If
there's
a
viral
spike
in
one
part
of
an
overseas
country?
Is
it
necessary
to
impose
a
blanket
quarantine
on
all
travelers
from
it?
Quarantining
throat
from
mallorca
because
of
an
outbreak
in
madrid
makes
no
more
sense
than
locking
down
shetland
because
of
infections
in
stran
raar,
a
broad
brush
approach,
increases
uncertainty,
damages
our
travel
industry,
ruins
holidays
and
deters
visitors
from
family
and
loved
ones
living
overseas.
Q
B
Yes,
we
consider
that
we
look
at
on
a
weekly
basis
at
the
data
that
comes
from
principally
the
the
joint
biosecurity
center,
which
gives
data
to
the
four
uk
nations,
and
we
also
look
increasingly
at
the
data
that
comes
through
test
and
protect,
which
is
as
well
as
try
to
keep
us
all.
Safe
is
also
a
really
rich
and
getting
richer
source
of
information
about
exactly
where
the
risks
are
coming
from.
B
So
we
will
always
try
to
be
as
effective
as
possible
in
as
proportionate
away
as
possible,
but
it
is
really
important
that
we
take
steps
that
can
effectively
minimize
the
risk
of
importation
of
the
virus.
If
you
take
greece,
for
example,
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
when
we
took
the
decision
to
put
quarantine
requirements
on
people
coming
back
from
greece,
we
did
that
largely
because
test
and
protect
was
telling
us
that
literally
dozens
of
people
who
had
tested
positive
in
scotland
reported
recent
travel
in
greece.
So
we
were
able
to
act
there.
B
I
think
we
acted
rightly,
and
if
the
data
allows
it,
we
will
be
able
to
target
these
measures
more
effectively.
I
this
is
really
difficult
for
everybody
and
it's
particularly
difficult
for
the
aviation
sector.
I
absolutely
understand
that,
but
right
now
and
I'm
sorry
if
this
sounds
really
basic,
this
is
a
global
pandemic.
B
It
is
globally
an
accelerating
pandemic
and
therefore
it
gives
me
no
pleasure
to
say
this,
but
my
advice
to
people
right
now
has
to
be
to
think
very
carefully
about
non-essential
foreign
travel,
given
the
gravity
of
the
situation
that
the
world
is
facing,
and
hopefully
before
too
long,
that
advice
will
change,
but
right
now
we
have
a
duty
as
government
to
try
to
minimize
the
risks
of
this
virus
spreading,
and
one
of
the
biggest
risks
we
face
is
importation
from
elsewhere
in
the
world.
So
these
decisions
are
difficult.
R
B
I
mean
I
really.
I
really
would
ask
the
member
to
reflect
on
what
has
transpired
over
the
past
couple
of
days.
The
uk
government
has
just
published
a
bill
that
they
admit,
breaks
international
law.
They
are
trashing
the
united
kingdom's
international
reputation
and,
frankly,
it
is
disgraceful.
What
this
story
sounds
to
me
like
actually
is
the
uk
government
preparing
the
ground
to
sell
out
yet
again
scotland's
fishing
industry
and
look
for
somebody
else
to
blame?
S
Thank
you
for
signing
officer.
The
first
minister
will
be
well
aware
that
those
with
diabetes
face
a
significantly
higher
risk
of
dying
from
covered
19,
with
one
in
three
of
all
coronaries
hospital
deaths
being
associated
with
the
condition.
Will
the
first
minister
join
with
me
in
welcoming
the
uk
trial
arcadia,
where
pre-clinical
research
has
suggested
that
the
glucose
congest
activator
could
aid
those
with
diabetes,
who
contract
covid19.
T
Thank
you
very
much
presiding
officer.
The
city
of
edinburgh
council
is
about
to
use
government
spaces
for
people
money
to
impose
sweeping
changes
on
the
communities
of
east
craig's
and
quagmire
to
my
constituency
affecting
three
and
a
half
thousand
homes.
Council
have
avoided
any
meaningful
consultation
through
the
use
of
temporary
traffic
regulation
orders,
despite
stating
openly
that
they
are
likely
to
become
permanent.
So
keen
were
they
to
be
heard
that
1
000
residents
recently
attended
a
public
meeting
with
the
transport
convener
that
I
organized
these
are
not
car
enthusiasts.
T
They
are
normal
people
and
had
the
city
ask
them,
they
would
have
made
it
clear
that
these
plans
will
actually
lengthen
essential
car
journeys
and
put
huge
additional
pressure
on
arterial
routes.
So,
can
I
ask
the
first
minister,
given
that
a
court
in
berlin
struck
down
similar
proposals
stating
they
were
a
misuse
of
the
emergency?
Is
she
content
that
the
council
administration
is
acting
lawfully
and
in
the
spirit
of
the
government
funds
for
community
social,
distancing,
freshmen?
I'm
happy.
B
To
look
into
the
specific
in
in
more
detail,
I
I
absolutely
believe
that
local
people
should
be
properly
consulted
and
listened
to
about
local
schemes.
But
you
know:
alec
cole
hamilton
is
one
of
these
people
who
regularly
comes
to
this
chamber
and
talks
to
me
about
the
need
for
greater
localism
and
decentralization,
and
they
need
to
do
more
to
tackle
climate
change.
So
perhaps
he
should
also
reflect
on
that.
But,
of
course,
he's
right
to
voice
the
the
interests
of
his
constituents
and
I
I'm
sure
and
hope
headroom
council
will
listen
and
take
them
seriously.
U
Corey,
thank
you,
president
officer.
Following
I
read
in
my
constituency
when
300
attended,
the
police
had
to
use
the
criminal
law
to
charge
the
organizers
of
such
events.
However,
in
england
and
wales,
under
the
coronavirus
regulations,
fines
of
up
to
ten
thousand
pounds
can
be
levied
on
those
organizing.
U
Given
that
money
is
the
motive
and
but
not
a
thought
for
public
health
hitting
the
culprits
where
it
hurts
in
the
pocket
seems
an
excellent
idea,
actually
something
I
trailed
at
the
covert
committee
yesterday
and
it
was
favorably
received
by
professor
bald
and
michael
clancy.
So
will
the
scottish
government
consider
introducing
similar
measures
here?
First,
minister,.
B
Two
sort
of
contextual
points:
firstly,
there
are
criminal
proceedings
underway
in
the
specific
case,
so
I
I
won't
comment
directly
on
that.
Secondly,
as
christine
graham
knows
as
a
former
lawyer
and
with
a
long
experience
in
the
justice
committee,
we
have
different
structures
of
fines
and
fixed
penalty
notices
in
scotland,
and
we
tried
to
fit
the
coronavirus
system
into
those
existing
systems
and
they
are
different
here
than
in
england.
But,
yes,
we
will
continue
to
look
at
whether
we
can
use
greater
fines
and
greater
enforcement.
B
But
I
think
in
cases
where
there
is
a
flagrant
and
egregious
breach
of
the
law,
then
it
is
right
that
the
full
force
of
the
criminal
law
is
brought
to
bear
on
people
who
do
that,
because
right
now,
they're
not
just
breaking
the
law,
they
are
putting
lives
at
risk
and-
let's
not,
let's
not
lose
sight
of
this.
It
is
still
the
case
that
all
of
us,
in
small
ways
and
in
large
ways,
need
to
act
in
a
way
that
saves
lives.
This
virus
kills
people
and
every
time
we
allow
it
to
spread.
B
Potentially
somebody's
life
is
at
a
risk.
So,
let's
all
make
sure
that
we
abide
by
the
regulations.
The
vast
vast
majority
are,
and
christine
graham,
is
right
where
people
not
inadvertently
or
because
they
make
a
mistake.
Everybody
will
do
that
from
time
to
time,
but
where
people
are
just
flouting
the
law
with
no
regard
to
people's
safety
or
human
life,
then
I
think
the
full
force
of
the
law
should
be
brought
to
bear
on
them.
V
Officer
on
thursday
last
week
we
celebrated
the
merchant
navy
day
with
the
red
ensign
being
flown
on
many
buildings
throughout
the
united
kingdom
and
then
celebrated
sea
sunday.
At
the
weekend,
95
percent
of
the
world's
goods
are
transported
by
sea.
The
british
merchant
navy
plays
a
huge
part
in
this,
with
its
ships
and
crews,
and
former
seafarers
are
a
significant
part
of
our
veterans
community
here
in
scotland.
V
Would
the
first
minister
join
me
in
recognizing
and
thanking
our
british
merchant
navy
crews,
ship
owners
and
ship
managers
for
the
vital
work
they
do
in
crewing
and
operating
our
ships
worldwide,
particularly
with
the
extended
crewing
situation
on
the
schedules
being
experienced
during
the
current
covered
pandemic
in
order
to
keep
our
supplies
moving
24
7.
first,
minister.
B
In
short,
yes,
I
fully
join
with
a
member
and
paying
tribute
to
our
merchant
navy
crews,
ship
owners,
operators
and
all
those
who
work
so
hard
to
provide
and
deliver
these
services.
They
are
important
for
the
reasons
the
member
has
set
out
and,
like
all
of
the
rest
of
us,
at
what
they
do
has
been
made
more
difficult
because
of
the
circumstances
we
are
living
through.
So
my
gratitude
goes
to
them
for
playing
their
part
in
helping
keep
the
country
going
through
these
most
difficult
of
times.