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COVID-19 Committee
A
A
A
It
appears
that
no
member
disagrees.
Therefore,
we
are
agreed
to
take
agenda
item
3
in
private
move
on
to
agenda
item
2
cover
19
next
steps.
This
morning
the
committee
will
be
taking
evidence
on
this
from
nicola
sturgeon,
the
first
minister
and
dr
greger
smith,
the
chief
medical
officer
for
the
scottish
government.
Can
I
welcome
you
both
to
the
meeting
and
first
minister,
can
I
invite
you
to
make
an
opening
statement.
B
Thanks
very
much
convener.
I
very
much
welcome
the
opportunity
to
join
you
today,
along
with
the
chief
medical
officer,
and
we
both
look
forward
to
the
discussions
ahead
and
to
answering
any
questions
you
have
on
our
overall
strategic
approach
to
covid
to
the
detail
of
the
emergency
legislation
to
the
extent
you
want
to
get
into
that
and,
of
course,
any
other
issues
that
are
of
interest
to
the
committee.
I'm
going
to
keep
these
introductory
remarks
very
brief,
but
I
have
got
some
of
not
all
of
today's
figures.
B
B
Unfortunately,
a
further
20
deaths
were
registered
in
the
past
24
hours,
which
means
that
the
total
number
of
deaths
under
the
daily
measurement
that
we
use
is
now
7461
and
I'm
sure
the
thoughts
of
all
of
us
are
with
those
who
have
been
believed
over
the
past
year
later
on.
Today,
national
records
of
scotland
will
publish
its
weekly
report
on
death
and
also
a
bit
later
on
today.
The
scottish
government
will
publish
the
daily
figures
on
the
number
of
people
currently
in
hospital
and
intensive
care.
B
That's
an
increase
since
yesterday
of
19781,
as
I've
said
over
the
past
couple
of
weeks.
Most
recently
yesterday
in
parliament,
a
dip
in
the
supply
of
the
vaccine
has
resulted
in
a
dip
in
the
daily
vaccination
rate,
which
you
can
see
from
the
latest
figure,
but
we
expect
to
see
supplies
increase
from
the
middle
of
this
month
and
consequently,
we
would
expect
to
see
the
daily
vaccination
rate
pick
up
again
as
well.
B
We
still
face
a
number
of
risks
and
those
risks
will
materialize
if
we
start
to
come
out
of
lockdown
more
quickly
than
the
vaccination
program
is
giving
protection
across
the
whole
population.
The
virus
that
we're
dealing
with
now
is
more
infectious
than
the
one
we
were
dealing
with.
As
we
came
out
of
lockdown
last
year,
the
new
variant
accounts
for
around
ninety
percent
of
all
new
cases
in
scotland.
B
Right
now
their
number
is
below
one,
but
we
don't
believe
it
to
be
very
much
below
one
and
and
therefore,
as
we
start
to
ease
restrictions,
there
is
a
risk.
It
goes
above
one
again,
so
we
need
to
be
very
careful
in
what
we
do
and
obviously,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
information
I've
shared
today,
although
case
numbers
have
fallen
significantly
at
691
today
they
remain
higher
than
we
would
want
them
to
be
so
having
the
virus
circulating
at
that
relatively
high
level.
B
Although
much
lower
than
it
was,
it
poses
a
risk
that,
as
we
start
to
ease
restrictions,
it
runs
out
of
control
again.
So
all
of
that
means
that
we
have
to
be
careful,
cautious
and
very
considered
in
what
we
do,
so
that
the
progress
that
we're
making
out
of
lockdown
continues
to
be
a
steady
progress.
It
might
not
be
as
quick
as
all
of
us
would
love
it
to
be,
but
if
we
get
the
timing
of
it
right,
we
hope
it
will
be
steady
and
in
one
direction
rather
than
us
suffering
setbacks
along
the
way.
B
So
I
think
I'll
stop.
There.
Obviously
there'll
be
lots
of
questions.
The
committee
wants
to
get
into
perhaps
my
very
final
point,
given
that
this
will
be
the
last
time
I
imagine
I
appear
before
this
committee
in
this
parliamentary
session
is
just
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
the
committee
for
all
of
the
work
that
it
has
done.
An
immense
amount
of
work
over
the
last
year
in
very
unusual
circumstances,
to
apply
scrutiny
to
what
the
government
has
done
on
an
emergency
footing.
B
A
Thank
you
first,
minister,
and
thank
you
for
those
comments
that
you
made
at
the
end
there
we
will
now
move
to
questions
members
have
about
10
minutes
or
so
each
to
ask
questions
and
witnesses.
So
as
ever,
can
I
ask
that
questions
and
answers
are
as
concise
as
possible
if
there's
time
for
supplementary
questions
I'll
indicate
that,
once
all
members
have
had
a
chance
to
ask
their
questions
and
also
if
members
could
indicate
who
their
direction
their
questions
are
directed
towards,
this
will
assist
broadcasting.
B
In
short,
it
is,
I
think,
an
appropriate
degree
of
caution
we
have
not
yet
in
any
part
of
the
country.
Well,
perhaps
islands
would
be
an
exception
to
that
and
there
are
parts
of
the
country
where
prevalence
is
much
lower
than
it
is
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
but
we
still
have
a
virus
circulating
at
levels
that
are
too
high
for
comfort.
B
We
also
know
that
this
variant
of
the
virus
that,
as
I
said
earlier
on
accounts
for
almost
all
of
the
virus
circulating
in
scotland
right
now,
certainly
around
90
of
it-
is
much
more
infectious.
We
know
from
pretty
hard
experience
in
the
final
part
of
last
year
in
the
first
part
of
this
year
that
it
spreads
and
transmits
very
quickly.
B
We
don't
have
experience
yet
of
how
far
and
fast
that
variant
will
spread,
as
we
start
to
lift
restrictions
and
while
we're
making
really
good
progress
with
the
vaccine
program
about
40
of
the
adult
population
is
now
vaccinated.
We
need
to
get
that
percentage
higher
to
have
a
degree
of
protection
from
the
vaccine
that
will
substitute
the
protection
from
lockdown
it
measures.
B
So
we
are
being,
I
think,
rightly
cautious,
make
sure
that,
as
we
start
to
lift
these
restrictions,
we
have
as
much
certainty
as
we'll
ever
have
in
a
situation
like
this
that
we're
not
immediately
going
to
be
overtaken
by
the
spread
of
the
virus.
It's
also
the
case
that
we
are
taking
some
quite
significant
steps
right
now
through
return
to
school,
and
we
have
substantial
numbers
of
primary
school
pupils
already
back
full
time
in
school
that
will
increase
significantly
from
next
week.
We
still
don't
know
what
impact
that
is
having
on
transmission.
B
B
So
we
live
in
somewhere
all
over
the
country,
with
these
restrictions
for
longer
than
is
necessary,
and
my
final
point
gregor
may
want
to
add
something
here
as
well,
and
I
hope
and
I'll
set
more
of
our
thinking
and
expectations
around
this
out
to
parliament.
Next
tuesday,
but
I
hope,
as
we
come
out
of
lockdown
measures
initially,
we
can
come
out
as
one
country
that
and
then
in
future.
C
I'm
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that,
as
we
exit
and
some
of
these
restrictions
just
now,
we
still
have
a
fairly
high
level
of
virus
circulating
in
this
country,
and
it
wouldn't
take
much
if
we
were
to
really
put
upward
pressure
and
are
just
now
to
to
really
begin
to
see
transmission
begin
to
take
off
again.
So
I
think
that
this
is
the
certainly
the
safest
way
of
making
sure
that
we
have
a
sustainable
exit
from
these
measures
and
that
we
don't
find
ourselves
having
to
to
kind
of
reapply
them
and
quickly.
A
Thank
you
for
those
those
answers
and
perhaps
sticking
with
the
chief
medical
officer.
Can
I
move
on
to
the
vaccine
rollout,
which
I
think
we
all
accept
is
dependent
on
supply,
but
once
the
initial
priority
groups
are
complete
by
today,
the
middle
of
april?
What
is
the
expected
weekly
vaccination
rate
in
scotland
going
to
be,
and
when
would
you
expect
the
the
adult
population
to
be
completed,
especially
with
the
modern
vaccine,
hopefully
coming
online?
Quite
soon,.
C
The
other
uk
nations,
uk
government
and
also
the
suppliers
to
make
sure
that
those
vaccine
supplies
as
soon
as
that
pipeline
begins
to
open
up
again,
as
the
first
one
is
already
outlined,
is.
Is
that
our
health
and
social
care
workers
across
the
country
are
able
to
get
those
vaccines
into
arms
as
quickly
as
possible?.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
My
final
question
is
about
the
potential
extension
of
the
emergency
legislation
and
last
week
the
committee
heard
some
quite
powerful
evidence
from
inclusion,
scotland,
representing
disabled
people
and
the
scottish
police
federation,
who,
from
very
different
perspectives,
were
of
the
view
that,
instead
of
simply
extending
the
legislation
after
a
year
where
so
much
has
happened
since
that
legislation
was
passed,
there
was
a
strong
argument
to
take
stock
and
see
what
had
worked
and
what
what
hadn't
worked,
especially
given
the
impact
on
on
civil
liberties.
B
B
Just
short
of
that
and
our
aim
again
supplies
permitting
is
to
complete
the
whole
adult
population
with
the
first
dose
off
of
the
first
dose
to
the
whole
adult
population
by
the
end
of
july,
and
so
that
are
these
are
the
targets
we
are
working
towards.
All
of
it
is
supply
permitting,
but
we
are,
you
know
reasonably
confident
that
we
can
meet
that
end
of
july
target
and
look.
I've
got
a
lot
of
sympathy
with
the
question
on
emergency
legislation.
People
you
know,
might
be
skeptical
about
politicians
saying
what
I'm
about
to
say.
B
I
don't
want
emergency
legislation
to
have
to
be
in
place
for
a
minute
longer
than
it
has
to
be.
We
are
still
in
an
emergency
situation,
though,
so
it
is
still
important
that
we
have
a
degree
of
flexibility
and
adaptability
that
is
commensurate
with
that,
which
is
why,
obviously,
we
think
the
extension
is
appropriate.
We
look
very
carefully
at
each
provision
of
the
emergency
legislation
to
make
a
judgment
on
whether
it
is
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
continue
with
that.
And
you
know
there
are
some
provisions
that
we
have
already
decided
to
change.
B
This
extension,
of
course,
would
be
to
september.
There
is
no
provision
without
further
primary
legislation
to
extend
beyond
september,
and
obviously
that
would
be
for
the
incoming
administration
after
the
election
to
make
judgments
and
assessments
about.
But
while,
as
I
say,
this
is
a
bit
that
might
attract
some
skepticism
and
perhaps
my
body
language
doesn't
always
suggest
that
I
mean
what
I'm
about
to
say.
B
Proper
normal
parliamentary
scrutiny
is
what
we
all
aspire
to
get
back
to
around
all
of
these
things,
because
it
makes
for
better
legislation
and
better
decisions,
and
we
need
to
go
make
sure
that
we
hear
the
voices
of
people
that
are
most
affected
by
the
emergency
provisions
that
are
in
place.
We
will
do
everything
we
can
to
ensure
that
disabled
groups
are
included
and
heard
when
we
are
designing
and
delivering
new
policies.
A
D
Thank
you
good
morning,
first
minister
and
dr
smith,
at
the
start
of
the
pandemic,
we
heard
a
lot,
not
just
in
scotland
but
around
the
world
that
we're
all
in
it
together.
But
of
course,
we
know
that
that's
not
the
case,
and
we
know
that
the
pandemic
is
highlighted
disproportionate
impact
of
the
virus
on
people
from
low
income
backgrounds.
B
B
B
We
developed
the
winter
hardship
payment
again
putting
money
in
the
pockets
of
people
who
needed
it.
Most.
We
put
additional
funding
into
the
scottish
welfare
fund.
We
established
the
self-isolation
support
grant
and
we
added
additional
funding
to
the
discretionary
housing
payment
fund.
We
made
additional
payments
to
carers
through
a
specific
coronavirus
carers,
allowance
supplement
and
and
of
course,
we
invested
a
lot
in
connectivity
and
trying
to
deal
with
or
mitigate
the
digital
divides.
B
B
What
it
has
highlighted
and
underlined
for
me
and
for
the
government
is
the
need
to
really
focus
on
many
of
the
things
we
were
doing
already
to
try
to
tackle
poverty
at
a
fundamental
level
and
some
of
the
driving
causes
of
poverty.
So
it's
got
a
child
payment
which
has
launched
through
the
pandemic
was
planned
before
that,
and
we
have,
since
certainly
from
the
perspective
of
of
my
party,
in
terms
of
post-election,
to
commit
to
free
school
meals
for
all
premier
kids
all
year
round.
B
So
there
is
a
real
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
powering
on
with
some
of
these
really
important
measures
to
tackle
inequality.
But
I
think
there's
also
a
need
for
us
to
to
continue
to
look
with
a
fresh
eye
at
some
of
the
new
inequalities
that
will
have
been
created
by
the
pandemic
and
how
we
best
respond
to
them.
D
Thank
you
first,
minister.
That's
that's
helpful.
One
of
the
measures
that
the
parliament
passed
through
the
emergency
legislation
was
the
social
care
support
fund.
That
was
one
of
my
amendments.
I
was
really
pleased
that
the
parliament
could
agree
on
that
and
in
particular
I
thank
gene
freeman
but
her
cooperation.
D
I
wonder
if
there's
been
any
analysis
by
government
of
the
uptake
of
that
fund
and
if
there's
any
plans
to
to
try
and
extend
that
that
benefit
to
other
workers
or
other
occupation
groups.
We
know
that,
and
there
are
so
many
workers
who
struggle
self-isolate,
because
they're
worried
about
the
the
affordability
of
that,
but
just
wonder
if
you
can
maybe
provide
figures,
if
not
today,
but
provide
figures
to
the
committee
on
the
uptake
to
that
fund.
Please.
B
So
I
don't
have
figures
available
right
now.
I
will
check
what
degree
of
analysis
has
been
done
and
often,
as
you
know,
it
takes
a
bit
longer
to
properly
sort
of
analyze
that
the
uptake
and
the
impact
of
of
a
relatively
new
provision,
but
I
will
see
what
we
have
available
that
can
be
provided
to
the
committee.
B
I
think
that
is
a
good
example
of
a
targeted
bespoke
solution
to
you
know
a
problem
that
became
very
obvious
as
the
pandemic
started
to
unfold,
and
it's
also
an
example
of
some
of
the
things
we
did
specifically
because
of
the
pandemic,
that
we
will
want
to
consider
whether
we
effectively
make
them
permanent
on
an
ongoing
basis,
because,
as
well
as
you
know,
highlighting
some
pre-existing
inequalities.
This
has
created
new
inequalities,
so
just
going
back
to
everything
as
it
was
before
this
crisis
hit
us,
I
I
don't
think
is
appropriate.
B
D
Thank
you.
First
minister,
you
gave
us
a
helpful
update
on
the
vaccination
program
at
the
start
and
again,
thanks
to
to
all
the
staff
who
are
involved
in
the
in
the
role.
Can
I
ask
in
terms
of
both
ethnicity
and
deprivation,
just
about
data
and
how
the
public
can
access
that?
I
can't
find
data
on
uptake
levels
by
ethnicity.
D
B
So
we're
still
developing
the
granularity
of
the
the
data,
that's
provided
on
the
vaccination
program,
it's
already
developed
since
the
program
started,
but
it
will
develop
further.
It
takes.
It
does
take
a
bit
of
time
to
get
this
robustness
and
the
data
that
public
health,
scotland
and
others
are
are
satisfied
about
publishing.
I
will
ask
public
health
scotland
to
provide
some
forward-looking
information
about
what
they
can
consider
will
be
possible
in
terms
of
further
breakdowns
of
data.
B
Gregor
may
be
able
to
say
something
about
that
right
now
in
terms
of
the
the
issue
generally,
we
have
been
aware,
since
the
outset
of
the
importance
of
making
sure
that
this
vaccine
is
taken
up.
The
vaccine
offer
is
taken
up
by
you,
know:
high
percentages
of
the
population
across
all
sectors
of
the
population
and
we've
been
very
aware
of
the
possibility
and
the
likelihood
of
greater
degrees
of
you
know
what
we
refer
to
as
vaccine
hesitancy
in
some
parts
of
the
population-
and
you
know,
ethnic
minority
communities
certainly
are
one
such
group.
B
B
Obviously
we
know
there's
been
a
disproportionate
impact
in
or
on
generally
on
ethnic
minority
communities.
So
some
of
what
we
are
already
doing
tries
to
take
account
of
that.
You
know.
Testing
center
in
glasgow.
Central
mosque,
for
example,
is
just
one
of
many
examples
of
of
how
we're
trying
to
take
account
of
that.
We
had
the
expert
group
look
at
these
issues
for
us
during
last
year
and
the
expert
reference
group
and
covert
and
ethnicity
and
our
priority
and
focus
is
on
taking
forward
all
of
the
key
recommendations
of
that.
B
C
Thanks
very
much
sir
yeah
public
health
scholar,
currently
working
through
the
the
granularity
that
we
can
achieve
with
some
of
this
data.
Just
now,
they're.
Looking
at
all
aspects
of
this
as
to
how
we
can
drill
down
to
get
more
and
more
information
about
the
different
groups
who
are
receiving
the
the
vaccine,
and
I
I
would
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
report
more
progress
than
that
in
the
near
future.
C
That's
why
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
continue
to
maintain
and
pursue
the
strategy
of
elimination
where
we
get
as
close
to
suppression
and
low
numbers,
as
we
possibly
can,
because
if
we
tolerate
those
higher
numbers
at
all
within
our
society,
as
we
begin
to
finally
exit
the
impact
of
the
pandemic,
and
if
we
do
that,
it
will
be
those
who
already
suffer
inequalities
in
society.
That
will
continue
to
suffer
the
impact
of
coronavirus
as
a
disease
and
therefore
is
absolutely
critical
that
we
don't
leave
anyone
behind.
In
all
of
this.
E
Thanks
very
much
convener
and
good
morning
to
you
both
first
mr
wanted
to
ask
you
about
the
self-isolation
report
and
in
particular
the
self-isolation
support
grants.
Yeah.
It's
been
very
welcome
that
the
eligibility
for
those
grants
has
been
widened
now
on
two
occasions,
and
it's
also
welcome
that
through
budget
negotiations
that
concluded
this
week,
there's
now
more
budget
to
support
the
self-isolation
support
grants.
E
But
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
whether
these
grants
should
be
universal
because,
obviously,
as
we
start
to
move
through
this
pandemic,
fewer
people
will
be
self-isolating
going
forward.
So
the
the
financial
commitment
on
government
will
be
less.
Would
that
be
a
good
point
to
say
that
this
grant
should
be
universal.
B
I
think
so
I
wouldn't
rule
that
out.
So
let
me
start
from
principle.
I
guess
there
is
an
argument
that
I
would
not
be
unsympathetic
to
if
the
scottish
government's
budget
was
unlimited,
that
we
make
self-isolation
payments
universal
so
that
there
isn't
an
application
process
and-
and
you
know
everybody
has
access
to
it.
So
we
we
focus
on
getting
everybody
the
support
rather
than
working
out
eligibility.
B
We
wouldn't
have
the
the
financial
cover
and
wherewithal
to
to
pay
for
that
at
times
when
the
levels
of
of
virus
and
the
numbers
of
people
required
to
self-isolate
and
anywhere
near
what
they
have
been
in
recent
times.
Obviously,
as
as
we
suppress
the
virus
as
we
are
doing
right
now,
and
if
we
get
it
down
to
levels
that
are
closer
to
the
the
latter
part
of
of
last
summer,
then
financially
that
becomes
more
possible.
B
I
suppose
I
just
have
a
question
in
my
mind
about
making
something
universal
when
the
virus
is
very
low
and
then-
and
we
hope
this
won't
happen-
if
we
had
a
surge
again
not
being
able
to
continue
that
because
we
didn't
of
the
financial
cover.
So
you
know,
I
think,
there's
just
some
issues
that
we
need
to
would
need
to
consider
there.
I
I
don't
rule
it
out.
B
We
have,
I
think
our
responses
thus
far
has
demonstrated
that
we
want
to
make
the
financial
payments
and
the
financial
support
available
available
as
widely
as
possible.
So,
as
you
rightly
said
in
your
question,
we've
extended
eligibility
now
on
two
occasions.
I
don't
know
doing
that
again
and
on
a
further
basis.
If
the
the
case
for
that
is
made,
I
do
think
important
though
financial
support
is,
and
it
is
really
important.
B
People
have
to
put
food
on
their
table
and
pay
at
their
bills,
so
that
is
arguably
the
most
important
part
of
the
support
we
provide.
But
it's
not
the
only
part.
It's
really
important
that
people
who
might
be
living
alone
get
support
if
they
need
it
to
get
essentials
delivered
and,
as
has
been
raised
by
some
of
your
colleagues
before,
if
people
need
to
be
put
up
in
alternative
accommodation
to
self-isolate
that
there
is
a
provision
there
as
well.
B
E
Okay,
thanks
very
much,
I
wanted
to
turn
to
the
public
accounts
committee,
the
the
westminster
committee
that
has
reported
today
focusing
on
the
uk
pcr
testing
regime.
I
mean
one
of
the
conclusions
the
committee
came
to
and
I'll
read
out
is
that
the
uk
government
should
wean
itself
off
its
persistence.
B
Forgive
me
mark
I've
not
had
the
opportunity.
This
morning,
I've
been
doing
other
things
to
read
to
the
pse
report.
I'm
sure
I
will
read
it
later
on,
so
I
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
see
those
comments
in
context.
So
speaking
from
the
scottish
government's
perspective,
there
are
times,
and
particularly
over
the
last
year
where
we
have
used
the
services
of
consultants,
because
we
needed
to
supplement
capacity
and
capability
that
we
had
in
house
and
we
had
to
do
things
very
quickly
and,
and
that
would
be
necessary.
B
You
know
we
use
consultants,
I
think
appropriately.
Some
would
say
too
often,
and
I'm
very
mindful
of
that
in
normal
times
as
well.
So
it's
important
that
we
we
do,
that.
Has
that
been
too
frequent
or
have
we
over
relied
on
consultants?
I
think
we
need
to
take
a.
I
can
a
proper
look
at
that
to
answer
that
question
definitively.
I
hope
that's
not
the
case
for
the
scottish
government.
We've
done
some
things
very
differently
to
the
uk
government,
so
there
will
be
differences.
B
I
think
here
and
our
approach
to
test
and
protect
is,
is
one
of
those
you
know
what
test
and
protect
does
and
the
purpose
of
it
and
the
fundamentals
of
how
it
works
are
very
similar
to
tests
and
trees
in
england.
But
we
built
tests
and
protect
effectively
from
the
bottom
up
from
our
pre-existing
very
localized
public
health
teams
and
the
contact
tracing
much
much
more
limited
contact
racing
capability
that
we
had
in
place.
B
Yes,
we
have,
I
will
not
shy
away
from
saying:
we've
had
frustrations
along
the
way
I've
voiced
some
of
them
we've.
You
know
found
at
times
that
we
faced
backlogs
in
the
the
lighthouse
laboratory
network
that
has
you
know.
We
feared
had
an
impact
on
our
ability
to
quickly
identify
and
then
do
the
contact,
tracing
and
isolation
of
cases,
and
when
we've
had
those
problems,
we
have
tried
to
work
through
them.
B
With
the
uk
government,
we
have
obviously
been
very
involved
in
the
location
of
the
the
testing
centers,
the
the
drive
through
centers,
as
well
as
the
the
mobile
centers,
the
walkthrough
centers,
that
came
at
a
slightly
later
stage.
So,
yes,
we
have
been
very
meaningfully
involved
in
all
of
that,
but
we,
you
know
we
took
a
decision
at
the
outset
that
for
speed
and
for
as
much
efficiency
as
possible
operating
within
that
uk
wide
system
was
was
the
right
thing
to
do.
B
That
has
also
been
delivered
frustrations
now
some
of
these
frustrations
we
might
have
had
regardless
and
we'll
continue
to
try
to
work
through
these
as
constructively
as
possible.
Some
of
the
issues
that
I've
just
spoken
about
there
in
terms
of
pcr
testing
backlogs
luckily
sitting
at
a
wooden
desk,
so
I
can
touch
it.
E
E
Is
there
not
a
case
to
say
that
if
you're,
if
you're
in
a
workplace
you're
needing
to
go
back
to
work,
you're
in
close
proximity
with
your
colleagues
you're
in
close
proximity
with
members
of
the
public
as
well
as
teachers,
are
that
you
should
be
getting
an
asymptomatic
test
twice
a
week,
or
at
least
that
should
be
available
for
those
employers?
I
don't
get
a
sense
of
where
the
strategy
is
at
the
moment.
B
So
we
have
substantially
extended
the
the
reach
of
testing.
You
refer
to
some
of
that
in
your
your
question,
so
you
know
extending
to
you
know
many
many
more
people
working
in
the
nhs,
not
just
in
hospitals,
but
across
primary
care
into
care
homes,
for
example,
and
we
have
recently
started
to
expand
testing
into
some
sectors
in
the
private
sector
like
food
processing
and
distribution
premises
where
we
know
from
past
experience
and
just
the
the
nature
of
these
environments
that
there
is
a
particular
risk
of
outbreaks.
B
We
are
now
offering
twice
weekly
testing
to
all
people
working
in
education
and
initially
to
seeing
your
pupils
and
secondary
schools.
But
we've
indicated
recently
that
post
the
easter
break
that
will
be
for
available
for
all
secondary
school
pupils
and
we
remain
open
to
extending
that
further,
as
as
far
as
we
can
now
what
I've
spoken
about,
there
is
predominantly
lateral
flow
testing,
which
are
these
rapid
tests
that
give
you
the
results
in
you
know,
45
minutes
or
so
correct
me.
B
If
I'm,
if
I'm
getting
the
detail
there
wrong,
they
are
quicker
than
pcr
tests,
but
they
are
slightly
less
sensitive
and
reliable
than
pcr
tests.
So,
if
you
test
positive
through
one
of
those,
the
advice
is
to
get
it
confirmed
through
a
pcr
test.
Now,
why
can't
we
just
give
these
quite
weakly
to
everybody
in
the
population?
B
Is
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
that?
We've
got
good
supplies
of
lateral
flow
design
devices,
but
they're
not
unlimited
supplies.
So
we
have
to
work
out
the
the
priorities
based
on
the
the
perceived
and
actual
risk
that
people
are
at
and
our
priorities
in
terms
of
opening
things
up,
and
you
know,
healthcare
staff
at
schools,
some
really
high
risk
working
environments
have
been
the
priorities
that
we
have
focused
on
thus
far,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
this
far
and
no
further.
We
want
to.
B
However,
you
want,
then
we
create
a
false
sense
of
security
in
the
population
that
will
have
really
damaging
counterproductive
effects.
So
we've
always
got
to
balance
carefully.
Testing
tells
you
at
a
moment
in
time
that
you
don't
have
or
that
you
do,
have
the
virus
or
that
you
don't
have
the
virus.
It
doesn't
mean
you're
operating
the
virus
and
my
test
positive
the
following
day,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
won't
walk
out
of
wherever
you
are
and
get
it
transmitted
to
you
by
somebody
else.
So
we've
got
to
see
testing
as
the
effective
tool.
E
I
just
thought
gregor
comes
in
I
I
do
recognize
that
first
minister,
but
you
know
there
are
still
questions
about
why
there
isn't
a
strategy
if
you
have
a
limited
number,
a
limited
capacity
for
asymptomatic
testing.
You
know
beyond
care
homes
beyond
the
nhs
and
food
processing.
Businesses
where
are
those
priorities
are,
is
the
is
the
police
a
priority
within
that.
B
We
we
certainly
will
talk
to
the
police,
about
the
the
possibility
of
that.
But
you
know:
where
are
the
priorities
so
schools,
people
working
in
education
and
secondary
school
pupils
have
been
the
the
significant
big
priority
for
using
that
capacity
to
you
know
give
the
added
reassurance
that
certainly
the
strong
feedback
from
teachers
and
others
it
was
that
that
would
be
very
welcome.
We
are
doing
quite
a
substantial
amount
now
of
community
asymptomatic
testing,
still
encouraging
people
to
go
forward
to
protesting
whether
or
not
they
have
symptoms.
B
So
it's
not
that
we,
you
know,
we've
got
lots
and
lots
of
capacity
that
we're
just
not
using,
because
we
don't
want
to
use
it.
We
are
trying
now
people
will
always
have
different
views
and
whether
our
chosen
priorities
are
the
right
ones,
but
we
are
choosing
them
carefully
and
we're
choosing
them
on
the
basis
of
assessment
of
risk
and
also
what
is
most
important
in
terms
of
giving
levels
of
assurance
to
get
really
important
things
opened
up
and
that's
obviously,
one
of
the
key
factors
with
schools.
C
Yes,
I
would
be,
despite
really
keen
that
we're
over
12
months
into
this
pandemic,
we're
still
learning
an
awful
lot
about
this
virus
and
the
various
new
variants
of
the
virus
which
which
have
come
forward
from
it
as
well,
and
one
of
the
really
important
areas
where
we
continue
to
develop.
Quite
a
great
deal
of
evidence
is
about
testing
what
that
means
and
as
we're
using
more
and
more
of
the
lateral
flow
devices
and
other
rapid
diagnostic
techniques,
then
we're
getting
much
more
confidence
in
using
those
as
well
and
unsure
of
that.
C
The
results
are
actually
portray.
What
is
the
the
true
picture
of?
What's
going
on
with
the
virus
as
well?
So
as
that
confidence
builds
it's
right,
that
we
continue
to
review
the
strategy
and
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that
just
now,
so
that
we've
revisited
that
strategy
in
light
of
all
the
new
evidence
that
we've
gathered
so
that
we
can
bring
forward.
What
is
the
next
evolution
in
terms
of
how
we
approach
testing
across
the
country?
C
The
first
minister
touched
upon
something
there,
which
is
really
important
from
some
of
the
evidence
which
is
beginning
to
come
through
and,
and
that
is
that
there
is
some
evidence
which
is
now
showing
that
when
people
are
subjected
to
regular
testing,
they're,
perhaps
less
diligent
in
following
some
of
the
other
protective
measures
that
we
have
in
place.
So
the
physical
distancing,
the
regular
hand
washing
and
the
simple
measures
which
are
probably
even
more
important
in
terms
of
those
layers
of
protection,
then
even
the
testing
alone.
C
So
there
is
a
balance
that
needs
to
be
struck
between
how
we
use
that.
But
I
do
believe
that
testing
is
firmly
with
us
for
some
time
yet
and
as
this
evidence
gathers
for
us,
we
will
kind
of
have
further
iterations
of
the
strategy
over
time
that
allow
us
to
kind
of
be
more
confident
and
that
we're
increasing
the
protection
for
people,
particularly
as
they
get
back
into
the.
F
Thank
you
again
and
last
week
in
parliament,
I
asked
you
first
of
all
in
school
reopening
and
how
teachers
were
going
to
cope
with
just
one
third
of
the
class
at
any
one
time.
But
now
there
are
problems
with
the
plans
that
are
emerging.
There's
lots
of
angry
parents
out
there.
The
amount
of
education
for
s1
to
3
seems
to
vary
from
one
day
a
week
being
typical
down
to
one
hour
and
45
minutes
or
some
and
many
have
not
still
been
told,
even
though
the
schools
are
supposed
to
be
opening
on
monday
to
them.
F
Most
parents
think
this
will
adversely
impact
the
quality
and
the
quantity
of
the
education,
and
this
morning
I'm
sure
you've
heard
that
jim
fulis
from
the
scottish
school
leaders
association
has
described
it
as
counterproductive
and
cobble
together.
So
are
you
going
to
go
ahead
with
monday
for
secondary
schools
with
the
proposed
arrangements.
B
Yes,
well
I
I
again,
this
is
one
issue
where
I
appreciate
there
will
be
different
views.
There
will
be
people
out
there
who
think
just
put
all
young
people
back
in
to
school
straight
away.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
the
right
approach,
because
I
think
it
would
potentially
lead
late
an
increase
in
transmission
that
would
allow
things
to
start
to
run
out
of
control
again
and
there'll,
be
other
people
who
say
keep
all
secondary
school
pupils
on
remote
learning
for
a
longer
period.
B
We
want
to
get
young
people
back
into
school
full-time.
We
achieved
that
in
august,
and
we
think
that
can
be
achieved
again
and
our
aim
is
for
that
to
be
possible
after
the
easter
break.
Obviously,
it's
going
to
be
the
reality
from
monday
for
all
primary
school
pupils
for
secondary
school,
we
had
from
the
implementation
of
the
first
phase,
prioritized
in
school
learning
for
senior
phase
pupils
to
support
national
qualifications,
and
they
will
continue
to
be
the
priority.
B
So
we
decided
to
try,
even
if
it
was
limited
in
the
period
between
now
and
easter,
to
you
know,
get
young
people
back
into
school
for
some
periods
and
to
reacquaint
them
ahead
of
the
the
easter
holidays.
We
always
said
that
would
be
limited
and
there
would
be
local
flexibility
in
how
that
is
is
delivered.
And
I
appreciate
the
the
pressures
that
puts
on
teachers
and
local
authorities.
B
But
we
are
trying
to
get
back
to
full-time
provision
of
education
as
quickly
as
possible
and
to
recognize
the
needs
to
introduce,
even
if
it
is
partial
and
even
if
it
is
phased
and
even
if
it
is
limited,
greater
degrees
of
normality
for
young
people
from
now
onwards.
So
I
you
know
on
this.
As
on
everything
else,
there
will
be
very
legitimately
different
views
expressed
about
the
right
and
wrong
thing
to
do.
There
is
there
is
nothing
perfect
here,
and
there
is
absolutely
nothing
that
is
ideal
living
through
a
global
pandemic.
F
You
won't
get
me
arguing
about
the
needs
of
mental
health
first,
minister,
but
this
does
seem
an
incredibly
complicated
plan
for
what
is
just
beaks
and
especially
when
children
have
lost
out
in
a
huge
amount.
Over
the
last
year
on
their
education
and
teachers
are
pretty
clear
and
the
school
leaders
are
pretty
clear
that
it's
going
to
result
in
a
diminished
educational
offer
for
these
two
leads.
So
is
it
worth
the
candle
doing
this?
Why?
Why
have
we
gone
through
such
a
complicated
process?
B
I
I
suspect,
if
we
had
tried
to
create
some
alternative
provision
there,
which
you
know
I
I'm
not
saying,
is
an
illegitimate
suggestion.
We
would
probably
be
having
a
similar
discussion
on
a
different
set
of
circumstances
that
you
know
there
was
a
a
a
differing
provision
in
some
local
authorities.
We
had,
we
not
tried
to
get
some
provision
between
now
and
easter.
We
would.
The
alternative
would
not
have
been
because
the
the
data
would
not
allow
this
and
gregor
can
comment
if
he
wants
on
this.
B
His
advice
to
me
would
not
have
supported
this
and
we
would
not
have
been
able
to
say
to
secondary
school
pupils.
Everybody
can
be
back
full
time
by
from
the
the
15th
of
march,
so
it
was
a
choice
between
some
limiting
provision
or
no
in-school
provision
at
all.
Now
I
I
appreciate
there
will
be
different
views
on
that,
and
I
appreciate,
if
you're,
in
the
front
line
of
education,
anything
that
tries
to
to
do
something
that
is
partial
and
limited
is
more
difficult
to
deliver
than
than
the
alternative.
B
It's
not
just
about
educational
impact,
I
think
it
is
about
and
you
you're
right
to
say
you,
you
know
all
of
this
as
as
well
as
I
do
and
are
an
advocate
of
this
is:
is
the
mental
health
it's
their
ability
to
interact
it's
their
their
relationships
that
are
are
suffering
so
there's?
No,
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
say.
I
think
it
is
a
hundred
percent.
B
You
know
the
best
thing
to
do
and
the
other
thing
was
absolutely
the
wrong
thing
to
do.
These
are
all
balanced
judgments
and
it
is
perfectly
legitimate
for
people
to
say:
we've
struck
the
balance
in
the
wrong
way,
but
I
think
you
know
for
the
the
interest
of
trying
to
reintroduce
young
people,
given
how
long
they've
been
out
of
school
before
we
get
to.
I
hope
you
know
this
is
not
guaranteed
yet,
but
I
certainly
hope
that
full-time
return
after
the
easter
break.
Those
were
the
reasons
we
opted
to
seek
to
do
that.
F
Well,
the
many
many
parents
who
contacted
me
this
morning
are
very
clear
that
this
is
not
100
correct
and
it's
going
to,
I
think,
have
an
adverse
effect
on
their
education
on
to
them.
So,
but
I
want
to
move
on
to
zero
covert
and
I've
heard
you
talk
about
stricter
indicators
for
the
next
root
map
and
also
that
you
support
a
zero
covered
strategy,
and
you
have
said
that
the
measles
model
is
more.
What
you
want
to
follow,
rather
than
the
measles
was
first
discovered
in
the
9th
century.
F
B
I
I
think,
with
the
greatest
respect,
I
don't
have
a
measles
plan,
I'm
using
broad
analogies
and
actually
the
medical
officer
is
the
person
who,
first
of
all,
suggested
that
it
was
more
akin
the
nature
of
covet
and
the
impact
and
effects
covert
had
make
it
more
akin,
in
his
view,
to
a
measles
type
approach
than
to
flu,
but
I'll.
Let
gregor
talk
about
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
to
say
we're
following
an
exact
model
of
measles.
These
two
illnesses
are
not
the
same,
but
I'm
not
a
clinician
and
I'm
not
a
scientist.
B
So
I'm
just
going
to
speak
as
a
politician,
but
you
know
as
how
I
see
these
things
and
the
one
thing
we've
learned
and
I'll
put
this
in
a
non
scientific
language.
The
one
thing
certainly
I've
learned
gregor
would
always
have
known.
It
is
with
a
virus
like
this.
What
you
absolutely
can't
do-
and
I
don't
think,
there's
any
country
that
has
been
successful
in
doing
this.
B
You
can't
just
say
we're
going
to
let
it
simmer
at
this
kind
of
medium
level,
like
a
sort
of
you
know,
gently
simmering
pot,
because
it
won't
behave
like
that.
It
will
quickly
decide
its
boss
and
it
will
run
out
of
control
and
start
to
boil
up,
as
opposed
to
simmer
at
the
level
that
you
decide
that
your
health
service
can
cope
with.
So
you
can't
have
that
kind
of
approach.
B
It
would
play
ball
with
you
like
that,
so
you
have
to
have
an
approach,
in
my
view,
for
this
virus
of
saying
our
objective
has
to
be
to
eliminate
now,
even
if
you
don't
quite
achieve
elimination,
it
is
the
act
of
trying
to
get
it
as
low
as
possible
that
keeps
it
under
control,
because
anything
else
is
is,
is
trying
to
do
what
I've
just
described
it
as
impossible
to
decide.
There's
a
level
you
can
live
with
and
hope
the
virus
cooperates
with
you
it
won't.
B
B
B
We
may
not
get
to
the
point
where
we
eliminate
it
absolutely
completely,
but
the
act
of
trying
will
get
us
closer
than
we
will.
If
we
don't
try
and
be
more
likely
to
allow
us
to
keep
it
genuinely
at
levels
that
don't
overwhelm
us.
So
you
know
that's
my
late
person's
way
of
describing
this,
and
I
would
just
caution
against
saying
that
it
is
absolutely
the
same
as
flu.
I
just
I
think
to
say
it's
like
flu.
B
Is
it's
perhaps
the
biggest
mistake,
because
what
we've
very
much
learned
about
this
virus
is
it's
not
flu
and
therefore
we
need
to
see
it
as
something
that
we
do
need
to
keep
it
as
as
contained
as
possible.
More
like
measles,
although
it's
not
identical,
and
it's
about
you
know,
how
do
you
get
it
as
well
as
possible
by
trying
to
eliminate
it,
and
even
if
you
don't
succeed
in
elimination,
you
hopefully
succeed
in
keeping
it
genuinely
at
levels
that
you
can
cope
with
giga.
That
was
an
entirely
person's
approach.
Is
explaining
elimination.
C
I
I
I
know
it
was
very
good.
I
could
talk
for
this
on
ours,
mr
really,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
important
subject,
because
it
gets
to
the
heart
of
what
is
the
critical
path
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
over
the
next
couple
of
years,
in
particular
in
terms
of
how
we
deal
with
this
virus
and
the
pandemic,
and
actually
what's
our
role
as
a
country
as
part
of
that
global
collective.
That
can
take
action
to
try
to
limit
the
damage
that
the
coronavirus
causes
on
a
worldwide
basis
as
well.
C
I
wouldn't
call
it
a
measles
plan
either.
I
think
it's
it's
it's
wrong
to
make
that
direct
comparison.
Measles
is
a
much
more
infectious
disease
than
coronavirus
and
it's
still
responsible
for
140
000
deaths
a
year
worldwide.
But
if
you
compare
that
to
flu,
which,
on
an
average
year
would
be
responsible
for
650
000
deaths
worldwide,
you
can
see
that
there
is
a
magnitude
of
a
difference
in
terms
of
the
impacts
that
it
has
in
populations,
and
part
of
that
is
because
of
the
way
that
we
manage
it
now.
C
One
of
the
key
differences
here
is
with
measles.
The
world
has
taken
on
this
challenge
to
try
to
eliminate
it.
Now.
What
we
mean
by
eliminate
is
not
to
eradicate
the
virus.
It's
my
view
that
we
won't
eradicate
coronavirus,
but
what
we
can
do
in
a
particularly
on
a
regional
basis
and
gradually
expand.
C
Now,
there's
still
some
key
data
that
we
are
missing
in
order
that
we
can
see
that
this
is
a
fully
plausible
model,
but
we're
getting
more
and
more
confident
that
actually
it's
a
model
that
lies
open
to
us.
One
of
the
key
elements
of
that
data
is
actually
what
is
the
impact
of
the
vaccines
that
we're
currently
deploying
at
scale
on
transmission,
because
if
they
have
a
high
impact
on
reducing
transmission
and
if
we
can
then
vaccinate
a
high
significantly
high
proportion
of
the
population.
C
And
what
we
will
begin
to
see
is
that
population
protection
that
really
suppresses
the
ability
of
this
violence
to
be
able
to
spread
within
communities.
Now
scotland
can
do
that.
We
can
make
those
decisions
and
take
that
path.
But
what
is
really
important
is
that
we
see
this
global
collective
action
to
take
that
same
path.
C
I
heard
tony
fauci
who's
become
well
known
and
the
the
us
chief
advisor
to
mr
biden
speak
about
this
only
in
the
last
10
days
or
so
and
again
he
was
advocating
this
very
same
approach,
but
collectively
globally.
If
we
take
this
action
and
if
we
take
these
choices
at
this
moment
of
time,
then
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
limit
the
impact
of
this
disease,
not
just
in
our
own
countries,
but
we
can
do
that
on
a
global
scale
as
well.
Why
is
that
important?
C
It's
really
important
to
go
back
to
my
earlier
point
here.
We
must
leave
no
one
behind
than
this,
because
if
you
look
at
the
impact
that
an
infectious
disease
like
flu
has
every
year,
you
will
see
once
again
that
flu
picks
out
and
preys
upon
those
who
have
the
most
disadvantage
already
in
their
lives.
It
exploits
those
inequalities
that
we
spoke
about
earlier
now.
I
am
not
ready
to
take
scotland
down
a
route
where
it
exposes
those
in
our
country
just
now
who
to
those
widening
inequalities
that
are
yeah.
G
He
said
if
they
don't
have
a
five-week
gap
in
easements
of
lockdown
to
allow
sufficient
analysis
of
data
collected
during
that
period,
and
I
just
wonder
if
the
in
first
instance
of
the
first
minister
could
comment
on
that
in
terms
of
the
applicability
of
that
comment
or
otherwise.
As
far
as
the
approach
being
pursued
in
scotland
is
concerned,
thank
you.
B
Again,
the
cmo
might
want
to
say
something
about
the
the
appropriate
periods
of
time
to
give
yourself
the
ability
to
monitor
changes.
We've
always
said
you
you,
you
need
that
time.
Yeah
I
said
earlier
on.
We
still
don't
know
for
sure
the
impact
that
the
partial
opening
of
schools
has
had
so
we've
always
we've
tended
to
work.
Although
we
did
weekly
reviews
when
the
level
system
were
in
place
at
the
end
of
the
year,
but
in
terms
of
making
actual
changes
we
tended
to
work
in.
B
B
That
is,
you
know
it's
the
same
virus,
but
because
it's
a
much
much
more
infectious
variant,
we
don't
have
the
same
understanding
as
we
had
developed
last
year
of
how
it
spreads
and
transmits,
but
certainly
that
minimum
at
three
week
period
between
certainly
between
significant
easings.
There
may
be
minor
things
that
you
can
do
in
shorter
time.
Scales
is
certainly
our
planning
assumption,
but
the
cmo
cmo
might
want
to
add
to
that.
C
C
And
it's
it's
about
balancing
the
the
various
risks
at
play
here,
because
we
still
want
to
be
able
to
take
a
proportion
approach
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
keep
any
of
the
restrictions
in
place
for
any
longer
than
they're.
Absolutely
needed.
So
three
weeks
is,
is
a
good
balance
where
you're
able
to
really
see
the
impact
of
any
opening
up
by
that
point
in
time,
people
have
come
together
by
that
point
of
time.
C
G
I
thank
dr
smith
for
that
further
detail
to
the
first
minister's
initial
answer.
I
also
at
that
house
of
common
select
committee
meeting
this
week,
professor
chris
whittie,
so
dr
smith's
counterpart
in
england
warned
that
another
surge
in
england
and
who
are
not
misquoting
this,
but
this
was
the
way
it
was
reported
that
another
surge
in
england,
I
think
he
said,
will
be
inevitable
when
lockdown
in
england
is
eased.
So
perhaps
again
I
could
go
first
to
the
first
minister
just
to
to
to
see
what
she
feels.
B
B
B
You
have
to
try
to
do
that
and
as
careful
as
cautious
and
as
phased
away
to
sort
of
reintroduce
the
normality,
while
you
keep
the
virus
at
as
low
level
as
possible
because
go
back
to
what
I
said
to
willie
rainey,
the
virus
will
not
just
hang
around
at
a
particular
level
to
you
know
to
keep
you
happy,
it
will
get
going
as
fast
as
it
can.
So.
We've
got
to
continue
to
try
to
limit
that.
I
I
hope
we
can
do
that
without
another
search.
B
I
can't
guarantee
that,
but
that's
what
we
are
aiming
to
try
to
achieve
here.
The
thing
we've
got
that
we
didn't
have
when
we
came
out
of
the
first
lockdown
last
year,
of
course,
is
the
suppressive
effect
of
the
vaccine
giving
people
immunity.
Now
we
still
don't
understand
enough
about
how
much
immunity
that
will
give
how
much
it
will
suppress
transmission.
All
of
the
early
indications
are
promising
and
positive.
B
B
To
avoid
it
running
out
of
control
again
is
not
easy,
which
is
why
we
need
to
be
very,
very
careful
about
it.
I
I
really
hope
we
can
avoid
a
surge,
because
we
get
all
of
these
bits
working
as
well
as
possible
together,
but
nobody
can
guarantee
that
and
therefore
you
know
going
back
to
an
earlier
point
I
made
we
are
still
in
an
emergency
situation.
B
We
still
got
to
have
the
ability
to
plan
for
all
eventualities,
as
we
try
very
hard
to
keep
this
momentum
going
in
one
direction,
only
and
getting
to
a
point
where
we
can
all
live
much
more
freely.
Hopefully,
although
I'm
not
sure
this
is
conclusive
in
terms
of
scientific
opinion
either,
but
hopefully,
as
we
go
into
the
spring
and
summer,
you
know
the
the
slightly
better
weather
conditions
help
a
little
bit
with
that
as
well,
but
we're
not
out
of
this.
Yet
this
is
a
global
pandemic.
B
D
C
Every
time
I
just
say,
I
would
strongly
associate
myself
with
chrissy's
remarks
yesterday.
I
think
it
is
a
possibility
still
and
we
will
see
a
further
search
later
in
the
summer,
most
likely
and
I've
seen
modeling,
which
shows
the
path
towards
that,
and
so
much
is
dependent
on
how
all
of
us
respond
to
this
gradual
reopening
of
society
that
we're
undertaking.
Just
now,
if
we
lose
the
sense
of
caution
that
we've
so
carefully
guarded
for
so
many
months,
and
then
it
is
very
quickly
going
to
re-establish
high
levels
of
infection.
C
Again,
we
have
to
remember
just
the
proportion
of
the
population
that
remains
susceptible
to
this
virus
and
its
infections.
Just
now,
and
although
we've
provided
protection
to
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
within
society,
it
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
we've
protected
to
give
that
protection
to
everybody.
Yet
who
could
be
susceptible
to
this
virus
and
we
will
see
more
cases
of
infection
with
all
the
implications
that
that
also
has
for
some
of
the
long-covered
syndromes
that
we
are
learning
more
and
more
about
all
the
time.
G
I
think,
dr
smith,
the
first
one
is
for
those
answers,
and
I
know
my
I've
got
a
minute
left,
I
think
convenience.
So
I
would
like
to
ask
one
last
brief
question
to
the
first
minister:
I'm
taking
into
account
all
that
we've
just
said
about
the
need
for
caution,
but
I
think
it's
a
question
that
a
lot
of
women
across
scotland
would
want
me
to
take
the
opportunity.
G
B
I
I'm
not
able
to
give
you
the
day.
I
can
give
you
an
absolute
100
assurance,
though,
that
I
will
not
delay
our
ability
to
visit
the
hairdresser
any
longer
than
is
necessary,
because
I
I'm
saying
that
a
pure
self-interest
is
anybody.
Looking
at
me
can
d
there
are
still
conspiracy
theories
that
circulate
on
social
media
from
time
to
time
that
I've
got
a
secret
hairdresser
somewhere.
I
can
say:
firstly,
that's
not
true,
but
secondly
I
don't
know
how
anybody
looking
at
me
right
now
can
reach
that
conclusion.
G
H
Thank
you
convener
good
afternoon,
first,
minister
and
dr
smith.
The
first
question
is
probably
more
towards
dr
smith.
It's
just
it's
regarding
comments
from
earlier
regarding
the
willie
rennie's
questions,
and
it's
just
regarding
that
the
living
with
covert
at
some
point
in
the
future.
I
take
it.
It's
it's
still
too
early
to
determine
that
whether
the
there
will
have
to
be
like
an
annual
vaccine
or
a
regular
vaccine
for
covered,
maybe
there's
something
akin
to
obviously
with
the
fluid
vaccination
that
takes
place
on
a
manual
basis.
C
I
I
think
it
is
highly
likely
that
we
will
get
into
regular
vaccination
updates
for
coronavirus
for
the
sasko
v2
virus.
But
at
this
point
in
time
I
don't
think
that
we
can
see
with
confidence
what
form
those
updates
might
take.
At
this
moment,
we
still
don't
know
all
the
truth
about
how
long
the
immunity
that
the
vaccination
confers
lasts
for
and
once
we
begin
to
have
that
data
we'll
be
able
to
see
exactly
what
any
kind
of
update
or
booster
program
might
look
like.
C
One
of
the
reasons
why
I
think
it's
really
important
what
and
it's-
and
it's
almost
inevitable-
that
this
will
eventually
happen-
is
already
we're,
seeing
a
great
number
of
variants
of
the
virus
beginning
to
show
themselves,
many
of
which
are
now
showing
some
convergence
in
terms
of
the
mutations
that
they're
showing
around
about
points
of
mutation
which
can
an
advantage
now
that
advantage
might
be
because
it
increases
the
transmissibility
and
the
advantage
might
be
because
it
allows
it
to
escape
the
immune
system.
Just
now.
C
So
we've
got
this
them
a
group
of
what
we've
been
calling
kind
of
racers
and
escapers
or
evaders,
and
that
are
now
seeing
increasingly
across
the
globe
just
now,
and
I
think
for
that
reason
alone,
it's
almost
inevitable
that
we
will
eventually
get
into
the
realms
of
update
programs
for
the
vaccination
and
over
time.
As
I
said,
what
frequency
will
have
to
do
that.
Just
now
is
still
a
little
bit
up
in
the
airstrip.
H
C
I
mentioned
before
that
the
the
one
of
the
really
important
things
is
that
we're
taking
global
collective
action
and
that
as
well
as
leaving
no
one
behind
in
this
country,
we
leave
no
countries
behind
across
the
globe
as
well.
I
think
for
that
purpose,
countries
across
the
globe
are
preparing
themselves
for
vaccination
campaigns
for
testing
programs
for
tracing
programs,
which
are
likely
to
last
more
likely
in
in
terms
of
years
rather
than
than
any
months.
I
think
it's
very
likely
that
things
will
get
much
much
better
than
we're
experiencing
just
now.
H
Thank
you,
my
questions
to
the
first
minister.
First
minister,
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
finance
secretary
up
to
the
budget,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
asking
for
was
a
review
into
deprivation
in
inverclyde,
and
I
should
be
very
aware
of
it,
or
senpaclidis
has
suffered
greatly
now
throughout
covet,
not
the
only
area
except,
but
it
certainly
has,
and
certainly
with
that,
the
with
that
review,
I
mean
you
look
at
the
other
areas
that
have
got
the
high
level
of
of
this
simd
data
zones.
B
So,
in
short,
and
my
answer
to
that
question
would
be
yes,
we
should,
because
the
the
link
between
deprivation
and
impact
and
effect
of
covid
is
is
there
for
everybody
to
see
it
shouldn't
surprise
us,
because
you
know
the
reasons
why
people
living
in
deprivation
were
more
likely
to
get
covered
more
likely
to
become
seriously
ill.
Are
things
that
we've
known
about
for
a
long
time
who
housing
conditions?
B
You
know
poverty
who
are
in
relative
terms,
health,
so
people
more
likely
to
have
other
underlying
conditions
comorbidities
that
in
relation
to
cold,
would
have
made
them
more
susceptible
to
serious
illness.
So
I
think
it's
one
of
the
lessons
coming
out
of
this
now.
I
said
earlier
on
in
relation
to
another
question.
A
lot
of
what
the
scottish
government
was
doing.
Pre-Covered
has
been,
I
think,
seriously
justified
by
covid
and
if
anything,
the
lesson
has
to
be.
We
need
to
do
more
of
it
and
need
to
do
it
more.
B
So
our
commitments
to
new,
affordable
housing,
for
example,
the
work
we're
doing
through
the
social
social
security
system,
particularly
the
new
payments,
to
try
to
lift
children
out
of
poverty.
How
we
design
and
implement
the
jobs
guarantee
for
young
people
all
of
these
things,
some
of
what
we
are
looking
at
in
terms
of
place,
making
the
you
know
20-minute
neighborhoods
investment
and
regeneration.
B
All
of
that,
it's
not
new,
hasn't
come
about
because
of
covert,
but
covert
should
make
us
understand,
even
more
than
we
did
before
how
important
all
of
this
is
now
how
that
all
translates
into
actual
budget
allocations.
We
need
to
consider
that
properly.
As
far
as
funding
to
local
authorities
is
concerned,
we
obviously
need
to
discuss
and
agree
any
changes
to
allocation
methodology
with
kosla.
H
H
So
I
know
that
last
year,
at
the
very
outset
of
code,
that
the
numbers
of
individuals
and
the
age,
demographic
of
individuals
who
were
getting
covered,
where
mainly
the
older
people
within
the
envelope
community
and
the
opposite
and
mclead
like
north
asia,
like
western
partnership
and
arguably
very
much
population
decline,
and
that's
been
it's
not
just
over
the
last
five
years
or
10
years.
That
has
been
the
last
30
years,
certainly
numberwise
case
to
lose
some.
H
But
but
I
certainly
would
try
to
impress
upon
you
of
other
assistants
that
could
help,
particularly
in
areas
such
as
tourism,
where
obviously
north
asia,
and
certainly
like
north
asia
and
argentina,
a
lot
better,
a
lot
more
sustainable
as
compared
to
my
area,
but
my
area
now
there
is,
there
is
the
potential
there
and
some
maybe
additional
assistance
in
terms
of
tourism
could
certainly
help
to
them.
A
decline
of
population
increase,
more
people
coming
in
and
then
help
to
make
the
economy
and
the
community
a
lot
more
stable.
B
B
You're
right
discussions
and
considerations
are
under
way,
not
just
for
scotland.
All
the
countries
that
are
due
to
post
matches
are
grappling
with
the
same
things
that
are
deadlines
by
which
we
have
to
give
an
indication
to
you
if
I
think,
that's
a
sometime
in
the
early
part
of
april,
so
I
can
repeat
what
I
said
last
week.
I
can't
really
go
much
beyond
this.
B
It's
not
possible
on
on
not
just
this
on
anything
to
give
hard
and
fast
definitive
answers
to
this,
but
there
is
absolutely
no
suggestion
other
than
that.
We
want
these
matches
to
go
ahead
and-
and
I
certainly
would
love
to
think
I'll-
be
there
cheering
on
scotland
in
hampden
with
more
than
a
few
others
alongside
me.
If
that
is
safe
and
possible
to
achieve.
I
Kavina,
thank
you
good
afternoon,
fest,
minister
and
dr
smith.
First
minutes
the
first
question
for
yourself:
what
value
has
the
report
from
the
citizens
of
citizens
panel
had
on
the
government's
consideration
of
future
strategy,
and
also,
can
you
point
to
anything
in
it,
particularly
that
you
would
like
to
pick
forward
from
the
panel's
recommendations.
B
Thank
you.
I
found
the
report
of
the
citizens
panel,
both
fascinating
and
really
really
useful,
and
you
know,
through
you
and
other
members
of
the
committee,
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
them.
For
that.
I
think
it's
given
the
scottish
government
a
lot
of
insight
and
also
a
lot
of
food
for
thought.
B
So
you
know
they
were
very
clear
on
the
importance
of
an
elimination
strategy
which,
as
I've
set
out
in
response
to
willie
rainey,
is
very
much
the
approach
we're
taking
and
I
set
out
the
reasons
for
that.
They
had
lots
to
say
about
the
need
to
define
a
covert
strategy
for
2021,
which
is
also
at
work
that
we
are
very
much
engaged
in.
B
You
know
they
had
recommendations
about
enhancing
targeted
testing
which
we're
doing
and
we'll
do
more
of
one
of
the
things
I
was
very
interested
in,
and
we've
tried
to
build
this
into
our
messaging
already
is
the
need
to
explain
to
the
public
that
even
as
vaccines
roll
out,
what
the
risks
are
vaccine
escape
mutation
such
like,
so
we've
already
tried
to
reflect
on
that
prioritizing
vulnerable
groups
through
the
rollout
of
the
vaccine.
You
know
we're
doing
that
guided
by
the
jcvi,
so
there's
a
whole.
I
Thank
you
investment.
Could
I
ask
you
a
follow-up
question?
It's
in
relation
to
the
law
society
of
scotland,
and
would
you
support
an
inquiry,
as
recommended
by
the
law
society
of
scotland,
into
the
fitness
of
the
legal
legislation
of
the
legislative
nature
of
sorry,
the
legislative
framework
and
policy
to
deal
with
the
future
public
health
crisis
that
may
arise.
B
In
in
principle,
yes,
I
mean,
I
think
it
would
be
remiss
and
and
wrong
of
us
as
we
eventually
get
out
of
this
crisis.
We've
got
to
get
ourselves
through
this
crisis.
If
we
don't,
then
look
back
critically
at
almost
every
aspect
of
our
handling
and
think
about
what
we
got
right,
what
we
got
wrong
and
how
we
better
as
a
result
of
this
experience,
prepare
ourselves
for
future
health
crisis,
because
the
one
thing
we
know
for
certain
is
there
will
be
future
health
crisis.
B
B
So
in
short,
yes,
I
agree
with
that
and
I,
as
I've
said
publicly
before
that
there
needs
to
be
a
a
full
public
inquiry
that
is
capable
of
looking
at
all
aspects
of
this,
but
underneath
that
there
will
be
specific,
discrete
areas
that
we
want
to
look
at
in
particular
and
probably
on
the
issue
you've
raised.
How
fit
for
purpose
was
the
emergency
legislation
framework.
It
may
be
that
actually
it's
a
parliamentary
committee
in
future
that
is
best
placed
to
do
that
kind
of
detailed
work
for
us.
I
Yeah
so
plenty
of
lessons
learned
and
things
like
that
will
be
produced
and
there's
a
post-exercise
report,
as
you
might
say,
but
that's
fine.
Thank
you
first
person
very
kindly
thank
you.
Can
I
turn
to
dr
smith
with
my
final
question
and
it's
in
connection
with
inclusion,
scotland.
Now
it's
glued
to
scotland,
dr
smith,
suggested
easing
a
social
care
assessment
duties
in
the
pandemic
and
it's
had
the
unintended
consequences
of
permitting
cuts
to
existing
social
care
support
packages.
I
I
I
B
I
I
absolutely
do,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
important
question-
we're
really
pleased
all
of
us
across
the
uk
how
well
our
vaccination
program
is
going.
It's
exceeding
our
expectations
and
every
country
wants
to
vaccinate
as
a
priority,
their
own
populations.
That's
that's
natural!
That's
the
responsibility
of
of
domestic
governments.
It's
my
responsibility
to
get
the
scottish
population
vaccinated
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
we
kid
ourselves
on.
B
If
we
think
that
just
vaccinating
our
own
population
solves
a
global
pandemic
for
us,
we
will
be
in
this
global
pandemic
as
long
as
other
countries
are
in
the
global
pandemic.
So
you
know
we
need
to.
We
have
a
shared
interest.
This
is
not
just
something
we
should
be
doing
out
of
altruism,
although
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that,
and
that
is
important,
but
we
actually
have
a
selfish
shared
interest
for
wanting
to
see
countries
across
the
entire
globe
get
themselves
vaccinated
as
well
we're
already
doing
taking
some
action.
B
B
I
think
the
the
program
is
called
kovacs
and
the
uk
government
announced
last
year
that
the
uk
would
participate
in
that
and
the
rollout
through
kovacs
has
started
in
a
number
of
african
countries,
including
I
think
rwanda
are
already
receiving
allocations
through
that,
and
I
think
the
uk
government
has
confirmed
already
that
the
majority
of
any
surplus
vaccine
it
will
be
sent
to
kovacs
at
what's
less
clear
is
when
that
will
actually
start
happening.
So
there's
lots
being
done
here.
J
B
B
So
I
think
that
is
really
hugely
positive
and
and
will
bring
practical
benefits,
as
well
as
helping
to
improve
the
the
general
environment
in
which
those
collaborations
happen.
You
know,
don't
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
think,
as
we
come
out
of
this
global
pandemic,
just
like
we
want
to
look
back
on
everything
else,
the
you
know
the
who
and
the
the
operation
of
the
international
health
regulations
there'll
be
some
questions.
J
And
bringing
you
back
to
scotland,
and
specifically,
perhaps
first
minister
to
ayrshire:
do
you
envisage
when
we
are
able
to
introduce
more
relaxations,
and
you
see
as
going
back
to
elf
board
boundary
areas,
or
will
we
still
stick
with
the
local
council
boundary
areas?
Many
people
in
asia,
as
you
know,
across
the
three
issue
council
boundaries
fairly
frequently.
Well,
they
don't
at
the
moment
but
they're,
looking
very
much
forward
to
the
ability
to
do
that
to
visit
friends
and
family.
B
So
I'm
always
delighted
to
be
taking
back
to
airship
the
place
of
my
birth.
There
is
only
one
you're
sure,
although,
as
we
both
know
willy,
there
are
parts
of
your
show
that
are
better
than
others,
but
I
won't
go
any
further
down
that
track,
but
what
you've
just
described
there
in
a
nursery
context,
you
know
my
own
family
is
in
that
position
of
right
now,
and
families
across
the
country
are
in
that
position
of
of
arbitrary,
not
arbitrary,
but
you
know
pre-determined
boundaries.
B
B
So
we
want,
I
think,
the
best
way
of
summarizing
this
is
we
want
as
quickly
as
possibly
and
as
safely
as
possible,
to
give
people
as
much
ability
to
interact
with
loved
ones
as
possible,
but
we
have
to
do
it
carefully.
We
have
to
do
it
cautiously
or
the
risk
is
before
we
know
it
will
all
be
back
under
a
stay-at-home
order,
which
nobody
ever
wants
to
go
back
to.
J
B
Is
there
maybe
a
sensitive
subject
to
be
asking
me
about
right
right
now?
I'm
also
conscious
of
the
fact-
and
it's
just
one
of
the
the
burdens
of
office
that
anything
I
say
about
football
has
somebody
or
other
deciding
that
you
know
the
worst
person
ever.
I
hope
soon.
You
know
I.
I
hope
that
you
know
before
too
long
in
some
competition
or
other
spans
will
be
able
to
be
in
somerset
park
to
watch
your
united
beat
kelly.
B
B
B
So
we
want
to
get
sport
back
to
normal
as
quickly
as
possible,
just
as
we
want
to
get
everything
back
to
normal
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
one
of
the
the
things
kovid
loves
most
are
crowds
of
people
coming
together
and
unfortunately
that's
you
know
the
description
of
dictators
at
football
or
a
rugby
match.
So
we
need
to
do
it
carefully
and
cautiously.
K
B
Yes,
I
do,
I
think,
overall,
at
police,
scotland
have
responded
very
well
to
the
covet
crisis
and
the
approach
that
they
have
taken
has
been
the
right
one.
The
vast
majority
of
people
have
complied
with
all
of
the
restrictions
in
place.
The
minority
who
haven't
probably
the
majority
of
them,
have
breached
out
of
error
or
or
ignorance
of
aspects
of
the
regulations,
and
what
the
chief
constable
tells
me
regularly
is.
B
Most
people
who
are
you
know
stopped
by
the
police,
or
you
know,
queried
by
the
police,
will
immediately
rectify
whatever
it
was
that
they
were
doing
that.
Wasn't
correct,
then
there's
a
much
smaller
minority
who,
you
know
will
exist
in
any
society
who,
for
whatever
reason,
they
think
covets
a
hoax
or
they
don't
like.
Somebody
like
me
telling
them
what
to
do,
which
nobody
likes.
B
I
I
can
appreciate
will
decide
that
they're
not
going
to
comply
and
that's
where
enforcement
unfortunately
has
to
be
there,
because
in
a
situation
like
the
one
we're
in
right
now,
somebody
who
just
deliberately
and
willfully
refuses
to
comply
with
the
restrictions
they're,
not
just
putting
themselves
at
risk
they're
putting
other
people
at
risk
and
that's
why
enforcement
has
to
be
there
as
an
option,
and
I
think
the
police
by
and
large
there
will
be.
You
know,
criticisms
of
the
police
at
times
as
there
was
at
the
weekend.
B
K
B
So
I
think,
there's
a
lot
for
us
to
learn
from
other
countries
and
new
zealand
taiwan.
It
would
certainly
be
two
that
that
are
in
that
category
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
to
learn
from
new
zealand,
and
you
know
there
may
be
some
things
that
other
countries
can
look
at
us
and
learn
from
as
well.
So
I
think
this
learning
internationally
is
really
important.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
really
important
to
remember,
though,
about
any
country
is,
you
can
look
at
some
countries
and
say
they'd
be
more
successful
because
they've
kept
case
numbers
lower,
they've
they've
kept
death
numbers
lower,
but
no
country
has
managed
to
do
that
without
paying
a
price
for
it.
So
new
zealand
is
paying
a
big
price
for
the
approach
that
it's
taking
it's
in
the
form
of
really
really
big
border
control,
which
will
be
impacting
its
economy
impacting
tourism.
B
You
know,
I
think
the
new
zealand
government
have
said
in
terms
that
it
will
be
possibly
not
even
this
year
that
its
borders
will
be
open,
so
they
are
they're
paying
a
price
like
we
all
are
they're
they've
chosen
what
price
to
pay,
and
so
there
are
balances
here.
There
are
some
approaches
that
will
work
better
in
some
countries
than
in
others,
but
do
we
have
a
lot
to
learn?
Absolutely
we
do
I've
said
openly,
maybe
too
openly
at
times.
B
I
think
one
of
the
the
things
that
the
uk
and
and
other
countries
across
europe
got
wrong
at
the
outset.
So
literally
this
time
last
year
was
that
we
thought
we
were
dealing
with
a
flu
pandemic
and
the
countries
that
perhaps
had
sars
experience
before
probably
were
quicker
to
realize
they
were
not
dealing
with
a
flu
pandemic
and
therefore
the
approaches
they
took
back
in
the
very
early
days
were
were
more
appropriate.
K
Again,
thanks
very
much
for
that,
and
my
third
and
final
question
slightly
closer
to
home
are
city
centers
and
what
is
the
future
of
the
city
centers
I
mean
we've
seen
some
major
stores
where
I
shop,
I
have
to
stay
demons
and
places
like
that.
A
closing
we've
seen
office
workers
get
more
used
to
working
at
home
and
we
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
return.
Do
you
have
any
kind
of
vision
for
the
city
centers
and
where
you
think
they
might
be
going
in
the
future.
B
B
I
think
we've
also
got
to
recognize
that
it
might
just
take
a
little
bit
of
time
to
work
out
where
some
things
are
going
to
settle
as
we
come
out
of
this
crisis
and
I'll
use
homework
as
just
just
a
random
example
of
that
and
and
speak
in
really
general
terms.
You
know
back
at
the
outset
of
this.
You
know
I
was
struck
by
the
number
of
people
that
I
would
speak
to.
That
would
say
our
homework
is
so
much
better.
You
get
so
much
more
done.
B
B
So
some
of
this
was
there
already-
and
I
think,
there's
a
big
challenge
here
for
city
and
town
centres,
but
we've
got
to
try
and
see
that
as
an
opportunity
to
design
these
spaces
where
people
will,
in
the
future
go
back
to
spending
a
lot
of
their
time
and
a
lot
of
their
lives
in
a
way
that
is
fit
for
purpose.
So
I
don't
have
all
the
answers
to
that.
A
D
Thank
you
kevin
for
coming
back
to
me,
yeah.
It
was
just
to
return
to
the
the
citizens
panel.
I
know
the
first
minute
was
asked
about
it
earlier
on.
You'll
know
from
the
submissions
expressed
is
that
it
would
be
undemocratic
for
the
first
minister
to
be
able
to
deliver
the
daily
briefings
during
the
pre-election
period.
D
D
B
We
haven't
come
to
a
final,
detailed
decision
on
this
right
now,
but
it
will
not
be
you
know
already.
The
daily
briefings
are
happening
less
frequently.
I
haven't
done
one
this
week.
I
didn't
do
it
monday.
Deputy
first
minister
did
it
on
monday
and
yesterday
today
and
tomorrow
I
will-
you
know-
be
answering
questions
in
parliament,
so
you
know
already
the
less
frequent,
partly
because
of
the
parliamentary
commitments,
obviously
going
into
the
election,
and
I
remain
first
minister
and
ministers
remain
minister,
so
we
have
to
be
accountable
enduring
a
health
crisis.
B
We
have
to
have
the
ability
to
communicate
directly
with
the
public,
but
again
some
members
will
be
more
skeptical
about
this
than
others.
I
am
a
democrat.
I
understand
the
importance
of
level
playing
fields
in
elections
and
I
will
act
appropriately,
so
you
will
undoubtedly
not
have
me
doing
daily
briefings
every
day.
The
way
I
have
been
doing
them
previously,
but
if
there
are
big
decisions
that
we
are
having
to
make
during
the
election
period,
then
I
have
a
duty
to
communicate
to
the
public
what
they
are.
B
It's
open
to
parliament
to
say
that
I
should
do
that
in
parliament
rather
than
a
daily
briefing
and
those
discussions
will
be
open
to,
and
so
I
suspect
you
you
will
be
seeing
more
of
even
more
than
you
have
been
over
the
last
year
of
greg
and
jason
in
terms
of
a
day-to-day
basis.
I
fully
understand
the
importance
of
the
election
and
democratic
process,
and
it
is
not
in
my
interest
in
any
way
to
be
seen
to
be
abusing
at
the
position
of
first
minister,
and
I
will
not
absolutely
not
do
that.
B
While
I
will
try
to
discharge
my
responsibilities
as
first
minister,
as
as
best
as
I
can.
The
other
thing
I
would
say,
of
course,
is
that
you
know
whatever
I
decide
in
terms
of
doing
at
briefings
when
I
think
it
is
necessary,
and
this
applies
at
all
times.
I
don't
decide
what
the
broadcasters
broadcast
it's
the
broadcasters
who
decide
what
they
broadcast
and
broadcasters.
You
know
have
duties
in
terms
of
impartiality
and
in
terms
of
balance
in
their
coverage,
and
already
we
see,
I
know
the
bbc.
B
I
obviously
don't
get
to
watch
it
because
I'm
doing
the
thing,
but
the
bbc
now
have
other
parties
represented
on
the
coverage
of
their
briefing.
So
you
know
it
will
not
be
business
as
normal
during
the
election
campaign
and
but
we
will
still
be
in
a
crisis
and
therefore
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
serving
the
public
appropriately.