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A
Morning
and
welcome
to
the
Sabbath
meeting
of
the
covered
19
committee,
we're
trying
to
safely
only
agenda
item
by
John,
Swinney,
Deputy,
First,
Minister
and
cabinet
secretary
Education
and
Skills.
We
were
beginning
evidence
on
the
Scottish
Government's
framework
for
decision
making
Dalton's
route
map
through
the
height
of
the
crisis
paper
that
was
published
the
last
week.
My
apologies
from
Willie
coffee
who's,
not
able
to
join
us
and
kind
welcome
mr.
Sweeney
to
the
meeting
and
invite
him
to
make
a
short
opening
statement
that
I
know.
A
B
Hey
thank
you
kuvira
last
Thursday,
the
government
published
corporate
19
framework
for
decision-making,
Scotland's
route
mark
through
and
out
of
the
crisis
and
I
welcome
the
opportunity
to
discuss
this
further
with
the
committee
today.
The
route
map
sets
out
a
path
in
which
we
will
carefully
and
gradually
seeked
amount
of
lockdown
by
changing
current
restrictions.
That
is
a
clear
need
to
take
a
phased
approach
so
that
we
can
balance
the
risks
to
health,
to
the
economy
and
to
society,
but
also
provide
a
sting
is
of
hope
to
the
people
of
Scotland.
B
The
full
features
outlined
in
the
route
map
cover
named
key
aspects
of
our
lives
seem
family
and
friends,
travel
and
getting
around
education
at
child
care.
What
business
and
the
economy
chopping
and
leisure,
sport
and
culture,
public
gatherings
and
special
occasions,
communities
and
public
services
and
health
and
social
care?
We've
made
it
clear
that
the
feeding
table
a
crucial
part
of
the
route
map
will
continue
to
be
updated
in
line
with
a
free
weekly
cycle
of
the
walk
down
regulations.
B
The
Day
marks
the
next
three
weekly
review
deadline
and
by
law
we
will
have
a
decision
to
make
on
the
continued
necessity
of
the
regulations
and
what
this
means
for
moving
from
the
lockdown
fees
into
phase
one.
That
decision
will
build
on
the
considerations
that
went
into
the
creation
of
the
route
map.
B
They
let
Mia
permission
we
are
taking
into
consideration
to
inform
our
decision-making
process.
Scottish
government
regularly
receives
updates
on
Scotland's
our
number.
It
is
vital
that
we
keep
the
our
number
below
one
and
see
the
number
of
infectious
people
continue
to
fall.
An
increase
beyond
one
would
risk
exponential
growth
in
the
number
of
cases,
hospitalization
and
deaths,
causing
very
significant
harm,
the
Scotland's
health
society
and
economy.
B
That
is
why
the
government
is
exercising
such
care
and
caution.
The
Scottish
government
also
monitors
core
national
surveillance
surveillance
measures.
This
equates
the
number
of
covered
19
cases,
hospitalization
levels,
ICU
admissions
and
dates.
We
will
continue
to
monitor
these
core
national
measures
than
for
many
future
decisions.
The
producer
mark
on
lockdown
phase,
2
phase
1.
We
will
need
to
have
seen
evidence
of
transmission
being
controlled.
This
would
include
the
are
number
being
below
1
for
at
least
3
weeks,
and
the
number
of
infectious
cases
starting
to
decline.
B
Evidence
of
transmission
being
controlled
would
also
include
a
sustained
fall.
Then
the
supplementary
measures
outlined
earlier
of
at
least
3
weeks
all
in
the
conclusion
of
this
review.
I
will
write
to
the
committee
later
today
that
update
the
Committee
on
the
outcome
and
total
in
the
next
steps,
and
these
will
be
set
out
by
the
first
minister
and
later
today,
I'm
very
happy
to
answer
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
and
any
other
issues
in
connection
with
in
a
month.
A
Thank
You
mr.
sterling
for
that
introduction,
but
if
I
can
start
off
just
by
picking
up
at
a
point
that
you
talked
about
the
evidence
base,
and
there
are
a
number
some
committee
members
attended,
a
briefing
on
the
are
number
I
think
it
was
last
week,
which
is
very
helpful
in
assisting
us
trying
to
understand
that
and
the
one
takeaway
that
we
could
take
from
that
was
that
there
is
a
level
of
imprecision
around
the
are
number.
A
It
is
on
that
this
is
on
a
skill
and
is
therefore
difficult
to
be
exact
as
to
where
exactly
it
says,
no
or
at
another
point,
or
indeed,
where
assets
in
Scotland
internally
in
different
parts
of
Scotland
or
relation
to
the
rest
of
the
UK
and
I
suppose.
What
my
question,
therefore,
is,
is
to
what
extent
well
decisions
be
taken
by
the
Scottish
government
based
on
the
science
as
opposed
to
being
political
judgments,
and
what
is
the
balance
between
these
two
factors?.
B
But
what
I'd
want
to
reassure
you
about
Covino
and
I
tried
to
cover
this
in.
My
opening
remarks
is
that
the
odd
number
represents
one
element
of
the
decision-making
that
we
would
undertake,
as
we
consider
the
evidence,
because
the
all
of
the
observations
you
have
made
about
the
odd
number
are
field
observations.
B
To
the
odd
number
is
one
element
of
the
decision-making
process,
and
we
would
we
would
need
to
see
the
are
number
and
being
below
one
as
I've
set
out
in
my
remarks
or
a
sustained
period
before
we
could
move
from
lock
down
into
phase
one.
But
there
are
other
indicators
that
we
look
at,
such
as
the
level
of
hospitalization
the
number
of
ICU
admissions
the
number
of
days
and,
if
I
take
the
number
of
deaths,
for
example,
that
we
have
seen
in
the
weekly.
B
More
comprehensive
data,
the
national
records
of
Scotland
provide
and
sustained
reductions
in
the
number
of
days,
they're
all
not
brought
on
measure
for
three
weeks,
and
that
gives
us
confidence
that
the
prevalence
and
the
effect
of
covert
19
is
reducing
within
our
societies.
Who
were
me?
Look
at
that
along
with
the
detail
on
our
being
below
one,
and
it
gives
us
confidence
that
we
are
seeing
a
reduction
in
the
prevalence
of
cover
that
ultimately,
there
is.
B
A
Indeed,
and
I,
thank
you
for
that
and
I
think
some
members
later
will
come
in
actually
explore
these
issues.
It
was
a
bit
more
detail.
Okay,
okay,
can
I
ask
almost
as
a
follow-up
to
that
thing,
and
we've
seen
a
differential
approach
taken
in
different
parts
of
the
UK
within
relaxation
of
restrictions
in
England
two
weeks
ago
now
roasting
other
countries
in
Europe
take
much
greater
steps
towards
relaxing
what
time
was
he
met,
for
example,
in
Germany
and
Sweden
in
France?
A
B
Can
we
learn
it
and
will
enter
on
all
questions
of
resilience
over
many
years?
Is
the
necessity
for
and
quality
around
communication
and
message
to
members
of
the
public.
If
we
are
asking
members
of
the
public
to
do
certain
things,
we
have
to
be
very
clear
about
report
that
is,
and
so
the
public
truly
understand
the
messages
that
we
are
putting
across
and
but
we
certainly
are
looking
closely
at
the
experience
of
all
our
countries
to
determine
and
their
experience
and
the
lessons.
We
should
learn
from
that.
B
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
no
more,
like
a
lemon
wants
to
come
in
in
a
moment
with
a
follow-up
question
on
the
are
number,
but
just
so
I
can
complete
my
questions.
I
wanted
to
ask
one
final,
more
specific
question
around
an
easing,
lockdown
and
I've
had
and
I'm
sure
you
have
had
to
a
lot
of
representation
from
people
in
the
tourist
sector.
A
It
would
be
quite
possible
to
to
pick
a
holiday
cottage
or
a
Caliban
or
a
holiday
knowledge
and
be
able
to
socially
isolated
members
of
your
family
in
the
way
that
would
be
possible
within
a
hotel
type,
accommodation
and
I.
Wonder
I
wonder:
firstly,
why
why
there'd
be
no
differential
between
these
two
vectors
in
terms
of
being
together
in
phase
3
or
whether
that
is
something
that
the
Scottish
Government
may
be
prepared
to
reconsider.
B
If
we
have
the
timing
correct
in
relation
to
feeding.
One
of
the
points
which
I
think
is
important
to
remember
is
that
in
any
opening
of
a
set
time,
but
as
a
certain
amount
of
the
policy
work
that
has
to
be
undertaken
to
enable
that
to
happen.
But
what
we've
tried
to
do
with
the
feeding
is
to
give
as
much
line-of-sight
as
possible
to
individual
sectors
between
the
me
conceivably
restart
their
activities,
to
give
them
a
sense
of
what
they
need
to
consider
before
we
move
into
at
that
particular
phase.
B
If
we
own
that
position,
science
is
with
us
enable
us
to
take
forward
that
positioned
do
by
setting
the
provisions
that
we've
made
in
Phase
three,
that
accommodation
providers
should
be,
and
we
should
be
considering
accommodation
providers
being
available
to
to
open.
In
that
stage,
we
are
taking
an
approach
which
recognizes
the
fact
that
there
has
to
be
an
appropriate
staging
of
opening
within
our
society,
because
we
have
to
watch
the
cumulative
impact
of
decisions
that
we
take
at
different
stages
and
that's
one
of
the
key
elements
of
the
of
the
phasing
process.
B
We
have
to
recognize
that,
however
valid
the
arguments
are,
but
individual
phases
to
open
of
their
own
right
within
their
own
compartment.
There
is
inevitably
a
cumulative
effect
of
that
on
the
on
the
danger
of
infectiousness
within
our
society
does
a
consequence.
We
have
to
be
mindful
of
what
sits
alongside
other
changes,
though
judgment
was
that
the
provisions
on
accommodation
providers
were
correct
in
phase
3
becuase
of
and
those
relative
and
cumulative
factors
as
I
see.
The
government
will
look
very
carefully
at
all
of
these
questions.
As
we
move
forward.
A
C
C
It
was
fairly
helpful,
so
you're
saying
that
artists
is
one
element
of
decision
making
and
we
always
say
it
within
a
range:
the
woman
somewhere
between
not
0.7
and
one,
and
it
definitely
absolutely
precise,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarification
because
and
the
dog-human
has
been
specific,
that
to
move
between
phases
are
mr.
people.
B
Think
motherland
will
appreciate
that
the
question
is
is
a
somewhat
hypothetical
question,
but
it's
a
it's
an
unreasonable
hypothetical
question.
If
I
can
put
it
that
way,
so
I
I
will
and
if
I
was
undertaking
a
media
interview,
I,
probably
I,
don't
answer
hypothetical
questions.
Little
score.
Al
and
I
accept
the
premise
of
the
question.
B
I
think
if
we
saw
the
range
moving
from
point
seven
two
one
two
point:
eight
to
one
point:
one
I
think
we'd
be
exercising
a
bit
more
caution
and
if
I
then
put
that
in
the
context
of
the
answer
I
gave
to
the
convener
in
response
to
his
first
question,
the
unnumbered
is
not
the
only
factor
that
we
are
looking
at.
We
are
looking
at
ICU
admissions
from
looking
at
levels
of
hospitalizations
were
looking
at
the
level
of
deaths
or
looking
at
the
level
of
cases.
B
So
if
we,
for
example,
had
the
a
number
going
in
the
direction
that
Monica
Leyland
has
proved
to
me
that
every
other
indicator
moving
in
the
opposite
direction,
I
think
we'd
be
looking
at
that
with
Kia,
but
we
might
not
take
at
a
block
position,
but
if
they
some
of
the
other
indicators,
then
in
a
subsequent
week
moved
in
the
opposite
direction.
I
think
we'd
be
looking
at
cumulative
pressure
to
stay.
We
need
to
apply
more
measures
to
apply
for
the
lock.
Then
we
have
about
stage
two.
B
It's
a
fine
judgment
that
would
have
to
be
arrived
at,
but
I
will
see
to
it
to
the
committee
that
we're
not
looking
at
that
as
just
the
sole
indicator.
We
are
looking
at
a
range
of
factors,
but
we
would
have
to
be
confident
that
there
was
sufficient
evidence
in
the
other
range
of
fact.
We
what
would
be
a
troubling
change
of
direction
if
the
odd
number
moved
in
the
fashion
that
wanted
the
lemon
has
picked
in
me
this
morning,.
D
Like
convener
and
good
morning,
cabinet
secretary
and
colleagues
I
acted
in
a
substantive
question
and
in
terms
of
the
revoir
plan
that
has
been
an
issue
that
has
been
raised
and
with
the
consistency,
MSP
and
that
is
specifically
I,
guess
very
much
looking
to
the
first
phase
and
the
second
phase.
What
won't
be
the
position
of
the
the
vulnerable
group
aim?
So
that's
the
group.
D
B
We
accept
that
we
are
in
a
situation
where
m
or
the
shielding
and
the
vulnerable
groups
that
we've
identified.
If
we
use
those
points
of
terminology-
and
there
will
be
a
need
for
ongoing
support
to
be
available
when
we
move
out
of
certain
phases
and
also
when
we,
when
we
get
to
the
period
we
are
formally
and
I
appreciate
this.
B
They're
covered,
obviously,
as
we
relax
measures,
those
individuals
will
want
to
be
part
of
the
relaxation
of
those
measures
within
society
and
I.
Underst.
I
completely
understand
that
I
think
what
is
important
is
that
we
get
the
messaging
connect
to
those
individuals
about
how
they
should
exercise
the
greatest
degree
of
and
protection
as
they
potentially
participate
in
a
more
relaxed
situation
and
be
on
lockdown
now.
D
Under
the
comment
section,
that
answer
that's
very
helpful
to
know,
certainly
that
for
those
who
feel
they
may
still
need
to
rely
on
that
bit
of
extra
support
in
terms
of
the
vulnerable
group
that
that
would
be
there
for
them.
If
that
is
what
they
think,
they
need,
and
are
also
equally
good
to
know
that
for
those
who
feel
that
that's
not
for
them,
they
can
perhaps
me
hello
choices.
Mindful
love
of
guidance
will
be
in
place.
B
We
will
make
all
the
gates
available
to
those
in
the
shielded
group
before
the
conclusion
of
the
the
12-week
period
that
was
set
out
by
a
chief
medical
officer
and
I
think
the
exact
data
that
falls
on
the
18th
of
June,
so
in
advance
of
that
date
that
we
will
meet
clearer
and
further
guidance
to
the
shielded,
a
grouping.
We
are
actively
looking
at.
D
Could
be
one
last
question
if
I
need
a
big
question,
I,
just
really
picking
up
on
what
the
Catholic
Secretary
was
making
in
his
first
answer
to
me
and
what
I
am
finding
as
a
constituency?
Msp
is
now
a
lot
of
people
are
coming
to
me
to
be.
The
judge
you
know:
can
I
now
do
this
on
a
date
and
obviously,
not
least
as
a
lawyer
by
trade
I'm.
Not
really.
D
You
know
feeling
that
that's
my
role
in
life,
but
I
think
it
raises
an
important
point
and
the
tablet
section
was
talking
about
the
moving
to
to
guidance
rather
than
instruction
and
the
importance,
therefore,
of
a
clear
communication
that
from
from
the
government
and
especially
to
make
the
point
that
that
really
really
is
now
getting
crucially
important,
because
people
have
to
recognize
that
they
have
to
look
at
the
information
and
then
make
a
judgement
I
think
on
on
the
particular
facts
and
circumstances
of
their
case.
That's
the
comments
actually
just
from
that.
B
Iii
understand
the
Dahle,
Mona
and
I,
see
it
my
own
mailbox
on
a
daily
basis
and
we're
members
of
constituents
of
mine
and
members
of
the
public.
I.
Don't
in
the
country
will
come
to
me
with
exactly
those
types
of
questions
about
what
is
what
they
should
do
in
certain
circumstances,
and
we
are
moving
into
a
phase
where
individuals
will
have
to
exercise
and
a
great
deal
more
judgement
about
what
is
appropriate
and
and
considered
to
be
steps
that
they
T
and
the
importance.
B
When
we
were
producing
the
route
map
we
looked
and
with
Greek
here.
To
ensure
that
what
we
were
setting
out
was
able
to
be
clearly
understood
by
members
of
the
public,
but
if
I
look,
for
example,
at
the
issues
that
we
are
wrestling
with
in
relation
to
the
movement
from
lock
down
de
fees,
one
even
within
the
headline
information
that
the
government
is
provided
in
the
route
back,
which
I
knew
I
think
was
very
clear
and
is
our
best
endeavor.
To
make
it
clear.
B
B
But
we
then
get
into
the
situation
where
there
is,
but
really
are
very
significant
amount
of
detail.
That
needs
to
be
communicated
around
particular
changes,
and
that
therefore
requires
members
of
the
public
to
engage
actively
in
making
an
informed
judgment
about
court
issued
undertaking.
I.
Don't
underestimate
the
challenge
that
that
will
be
for
individuals
who,
who
frankly
want
it
on
with
the
lines
and
and
I
and
but
but
you
know,
my
encouragement
would
be
for
people
as
they
want
to
go
on
with
their
lives.
A
E
Think
he
can
be
a
good
morning.
Everyone
don't
worry
Kevin,
exactly
I
must
do
this.
Seem
it
more
that
Annabel
during
this
matter
to
explore
you
and
mrs.
Finney
about
the
relationship
as
we
begin
to
take
tentative
steps
out
of
lockdown
between
rules
and
discretion
as
to
say
between
what
we
legislate
for
and
what
we
leave
to
individual
choice
and
judgment
and
what
you
are
very
clearly
saying.
I.
Think
in
response
to
Annabelle's
questions
is
that,
as
we
went
into
lockdown,
we
legislated
for
practically
everything,
leaving
very
little
for
individual
government.
E
What
I
was
going
to
ask
you
about
which
was
as
I
leave
the
various
government
documents
that
we
published
this
week
and
last
exiting
lockdown
is
going
to
be
more
complicated
than
that
rules
and
legislation
won't
be
able
to
cover
everything,
and
there
will
be
more
room
left
for
individuals
to
exercise
their
own
judgement
to
give.
Given
that
that
I
think
a
shared
understanding,
though
of
the
landscape,
let
me
ask
you
this
about
it.
E
What
role
do
we
have
as
parliamentarians
well
rather
than
LSPs,
have,
and
if
we
move
more
of
the
key
communications
out
of
regulations,
which
Parliament
makes
and
put
them
into
of
government
guidance
which
Parliament
has
no
role
in
making?
Is
it
not?
Is
it
not
an
inevitable
consequence
of
this
that
we're
cutting
Parliament
out
of
the
loop
here
in
a
very
important
way
that.
B
Certainly
would
not
be
the
intention
of
the
government
and
and
I
would
be
very
happy
to
engage
in
discussion
with
the
committee
and
my
ministerial
colleagues,
likewise
on
any
questions
announced
with
this
committee,
with
other
committees
of
parliament
and
and
indeed
within
worrying,
of
parliamentary
debates,
to
enable
us
to
understand
and
and
reflect
on
the
issues
that
are
concerning
members
of
parliament
about
some
of
these
questions,
though
I
you
know,
I
would
want
to
shoe
the
committee
that
the
government
would
listen
very
carefully
to
those
questions.
I
have
to
see.
B
I
phoned
the
parliamentary
debate
that
took
place
a
week,
past
Tuesday,
which
reflected
on
the
three
mark
for
decision
making
an
enormous
ly
helpful
to
beat
in
helping
me
navigate
my
way
through,
but
I
would
feel
Iike
still
has
been.
The
most
complex
analytical
exercise
I
have
ever
been
involved
in
in
government
in
my
15
years.
As
a
minister
of
how
we
move
out
of
lockdown
to
our
more
relaxed
position,
mr.
Tompkins
is
absolutely
correct.
Going
into
lockdown
was
pretty
simple
coming
out
of.
B
It
is
incredibly
complex
and
therefore
I
and
I
see
this
very
openly
to
the
committee.
The
debate
we
had
in
pollen
and
a
week
last
Tuesday
was
very
valuable
to
me
and
helping
to
inform
the
thinking
that
we
were
going
through
at
an
absolutely
critical
moment
in
the
design
of
the
route
map
which
was
launched.
B
We
have
the
opportunity
to
engage
members
of
parliament
and
obviously
we
will
set
out
in
the
course
of
D,
based
on
the
evidence
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
and
based
on
what
we
published
last
Asti,
whether
we
can
take
steps
to
proceeded
and
with
the
move
to
phase
one.
But
what
I
would
accept
in
in
that
movement
or
what
we've
advertised.
B
What
phase
one
and
high-level
is
likely
to
look
like
if
we
can
proceed
to
that
level
and
my
response
to
Annabelle
you
and
I
indicated
that
the
minute
you
leave
that
high-level
and
go
into
more
detail.
You
inevitably
come
down
on
the
side
of
one
side
of
an
argument
or
a
discussion
about
points
of
detail
which
individuals
may
take
a
different
view
about,
and
you
get
into
much
more
difficult
to
determine
territory
and
I.
B
Think
of,
although
there's
never
an
easy
answer
to
that,
because
I
don't
suspect
a
certainly
wouldn't
think
it
would
be
advisable
for
us
to
be
as
prescriptive
about
phase
1
as
we
have
been
about
luck,
Larry
and
I.
Don't
add
in
Tompkins
rity
that
for
you
either,
but
we
have
to
be
open
that
wide
discussion
about
those
issues
and
reflect
on
them
as
a
consequence
of
the
decisions
we
take.
B
The
final
point
I
would
make
in
this
M
answer
is
that,
although
we
are
leaving
lockdown
I
want
to
reiterate
to
the
committee
that
there
will
still
be
many
aspects
of
the
strategic
requirements
of
lock
them
still
in
place
in
Phase
one,
except
that
the
father
will
go
through
this
process.
The
lace
that
will
be
the
keys,
but
certainly
for
phase
one,
and
one
of
the
key
elements
of
that
will
still
be
synced
to
members
of
the
public.
Fundamentally
being
a
home
will
be
the
best
thing
to
do.
E
I
think
that
can
I
think
of
that,
for
that
answer
and
I
completely
agree
with
him
about
the
value
and
quality
of
the
parliamentary
debate
that
we
had
was
only
with
us,
Tuesday
feels
longer
than
that
and
to
me,
but
whenever
it
was
I,
think
that
was
an
extremely
valuable
debate.
I
think
everybody
who
spoke
in
it
was
moved
and
affected
by
what
they
heard
in
that
debate.
E
But
I
don't
want
to
make
this
too
much
like
a
jurisprudence
tutorial
about
the
limits
of
more
and
we
know
where
rules
run
out
from
where
discretion
starts.
But
I
do
want
to
just
do
it
a
little
bit
more
as
it
does
seem
to
me
that
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
confront,
with
both
individually
as
representatives
of
our
constituents,
but
also
collectively
as
a
group
of
politicians.
E
Let's
take
an
example
and
something
with
Michael
Matheson
talked
about
in
his
statement
the
Parliament
this
week
about
half
of
how
how
public
transport
is
going
to
look
in
in
phase
one
and
the
idea
that
we
are
going
to
be
encouraging
people
and
tentatively
cautiously,
to
begin
to
go
back
to
work
where
it's
safe
to
do
so.
Of
course,
we
want
people
to
walk
or
cycle
or
I
think
wheel
to
work
where
they
can,
but
that's
not
always
going
to
be
possible.
E
Sometimes
it's
going
to
be
necessary
for
people
to
use
public
transport,
and
we
all
know
that,
no
matter
how
hard
we
might
try
good,
there
are
overcrowded
trains.
We
also
all
know
that
there
are
trains
now
which
will
only
be
able
to
learn
at
something
like
20s,
Thomas,
berry,
I,
think
between
ten
and
twenty
five
centers
working
to
capacity
in
order
to
enable
safe
social
distancing
on
Pollan
trains,
and
all
of
this
is
to
be
soft
police.
E
B
B
We
will
be
maintaining
some
of
the
very
strong
elements
of
constraint
that
are
in
lock
them
so
fundamentally,
stay
home,
work
from
home
and
only
work
if
you've
got
a
really
really
good
reason,
and
we
still
will
specify
what
are
those
good
reasons
and-
and
there
will
be
more
good
reasons
than
the
word
and
love
them.
But
there
will
not
be
a
free-for-all,
though.
That's
the
the
first
point
that
I
think
I
want
to
reassure
mr.
Tompkins
about
that
were
not
moving
from
constraint
into
m3
you're,
free
activity
in
in
one
boat.
B
The
second
point
I
would
make
is
that
we
can't
see
examples
such
as
the
transport
system
in
isolation,
because
what
we
were
at
things
to
do
in
the
frame
and
in
the
route
map
was
to
ensure
that
in
each
individual
fees
we
were
taking
a
set
of
reasonable
limited
measures
across
a
range
of
different
sectors.
That,
frankly,
didn't
overload
the
system.
So
if
you
look
at
all
of
the
fees,
one
measures,
cumulatively,
our
judgment
is
that
those
measures
do
not
add
significantly
to
the
challenge
that
mr.
B
Tompkins
preached
to
me
about,
essentially
there
being
just
too
much
movement,
because
we
inevitably
enabled
too
much
to
happen,
and
we
are
setting
out
what
we
think
is
reasonable
to
happen
in
those
circumstances
and
I'm,
making
it
clear
and
who
can
and
who
cannot
open.
Because,
as
the
convener
put
to
me
and
his
opening
questions,
there
are
still
lots
of
sectors
of
the
economy
that
have
been
taught
and
phase
one.
You
cannot
reopen.
B
So
we've
tried
to
take
that
balanced
humility
of
approach
across
all
the
different
areas
around.
You
know
schools,
businesses,
getting
an
island
hospitals,
public
services
to
make
sure
that
we
come
to
that
balanced
judgment
and
I
suppose.
The
third
element
to
all
of
this
is
about
the
relationship
between
public
messaging
communication
and
personal
behavior
and
I.
Think
I
think
this
is
a
critical
element
for
us
and
that's
why
the
public
messaging
has
got
to
be
crystal
clear.
B
But
what
we
have
to
encourage
people
to
do
is
at
the
heart
of
the
government's
messaging
is
to
think
about
the
implications
for
themselves
of
not
complying
with
the
direction
of
travel
in
which
we
are
setting
out,
because
if
they
don't
comply,
then
we'll
word
back
here
as
I
answer.
Monica
Lennon
reapplying
workers
more
constraints
and
will
be
dealing
with
a
deeper
health
crisis
within
our
society
than
we
have
already
dealt
with
over
the
last
and
10
weeks
or
so.
A
F
F
In
all
the
circumstances,
while
we
make
individual
decisions
and
I
wonder
if
in
particular,
we
should
extend
our
briefings
and
so
on
the
1200
or
so
local
councillors
we
have
across
Scotland
so
that
we
all
not
just
MSPs
but
all
elected
representatives
who
will
be
seen
as
exercising
some
leadership
in
the
local
communities
of
the
best
possible
opportunity
to
set
good
examples
for
the
public
under
voice
setting
by
the
examples
now
I
don't
stay
this
Alea
sense
because
of
what
the
press
might
say,
yeah,
but
indifferent
to
that.
It's
much
more
about
local
personal
examples.
B
B
We
have
involved
an
Khosla
and
the
Society
of
local
authority
chief
executives
and,
from
my
performant
perspective,
the
directors
of
Education
very
closely
in
our
work
and
I
would
hope
that,
through
those
networks
and
communication
has
been
disseminated
to
members
of
local
authorities
elected
members
of
local
authorities,
you
will
have
an
influential
local
leadership
role
and
I'll,
certainly
and
the
fight
to
the
point
that
mr.
Stevenson
has
good
to
me.
B
A
B
G
Good
morning,
Deputy,
First,
Minister
and
I
just
want
to
continue
with
the
theme
around
the
clarity
of
messaging
that
to
the
public
and
assuming
that
there
are
some
changes
our
names
later
today.
That
will
be
alongside
a
pretty
major
orange
today,
of
the
the
launch
of
take
their
tests
and
protect,
which
has
quite
a
lot
of
complex
information
contained
within
it
as
well,
so
they
potentially
you're
trying
to
communicate
a
lot
of
quite
complex
information
all
at
the
same
time.
G
B
Don't
I
think
that
those
are
almost
are
can
a
primary
message
that
we
have
to
get
across
to
people,
which
is
that
we've
got
this.
We've
got
this
virus
with
us.
It's
not
gone
away
to,
therefore,
to
keep
yourself
and
your
family
safe.
You've
got
to
a
judiciously,
follow
the
guidance
about
them:
personal
hygiene,
physical
distancing
and
the
wider
issues
about
the
choices
that
you
me
about
hope.
B
B
So
if
I
go
to
a
supermarket
today,
it's
a
fundamentally
different
experience
of
what
it
was
before
covered
and
I
have
to
think
through
all
time
the
implications
about
how
am
I
gonna
prepared
from
my
supermarket
and
elements
of
my
preparation
for
a
supermarket
journey
in
the
past.
What
have
I
got
bags
in
the
back
of
the
car
and
I've
got
my
wallet
and
they're
much
more
complicated
then-
and
we
all
have
to
think
like
that.
B
So
this
that
we've
got
the
advantage
that
some
of
those
messages
have
now
been
communicated
about
whose
primary
issues
for
quite
a
long
time,
ten
weeks
of
really
really
sustained
intense
government
communication
and
I
hope
that
many
of
those
messages
have
no
affected
general
behavior
by
members
of
the
public.
Don't
evil
their
combined
with
the
sensible
precautions
are
being.
Second
in.
G
Fact,
thank
you
for
that
that
response,
and
in
some
ways
what
you're
seeing
and
you
this
has
been
a
theme
throughout
your
your
answers
this
morning
and
is
that
all
the
media
of
today
and
ever
to
be
we'll,
probably
focus
on
what's
new,
what
you
can
do
that
you
didn't
used
to
be
able
to
am
actually
almost
more
important
than
that
is
a
rillette
addition
and
focus
on
what
stays
the
same.
So
the
fact
that
it's
still
social
distancing,
it's
still
and
hand-washing
remain
at
home.
G
B
Yes,
there
is
a
there's,
an
absolute
requirement
for
us
to
maintain
the
the
rigor
of
social
distancing,
of
hand-washing,
of
coffee,
etiquette
and
and
of
considering
whether
or
not
the
activities
we
take
forward
outside
our
own
homes
are
absolutely
required
and
we
have
to
get
across
a
message
to
people.
I'd
know
that
that's
been
the
core
of
the
message
for
the
last
ten
weeks
and
part
of
what
I
was
and
I
think
she
loves
characterization
of
the
discussion
in
the
way
that
discussion
of
this
will
tend
to
look
at
more.
B
Because
then
that's
not
just
that's
not
just
something.
For
EM,
you
know
another
few
weeks,
that's
something
for
a
prolonged
period,
because
we
still
have
the
corporate
violence
is
still
very
much
in
our
community
and
it's
got
less
prevalence
than
it
had,
but
it's
still
a
very
real
threat
unless
we
all
observe
the
type
of
regimes
and
routines
that
have
become
a
hallmark
of
society.
For
the
last
ten
minutes,.
G
How
do
we
make
sure
that
we
earn
that
into
desire
to
be
this
through
and
reality
that
you
know
we
are
all
in
this
together
and
maintain
what
has
been
an
incredibly
high
level
of
public
adherence
and
support
for
the
measures
so
far
polling
shows
that
shows
also
and
that
the
public
are
are
cautious
about
moving
too
quickly
of
law
down,
but
there
is
that
anger.
So
what?
What
is
a
Scottish
going
to
do
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
a
very
high
levels
of
public
support
that
we've
seen
so
far?
This.
B
Is
a
real
anxiety
because
I
think
people
will
the
the
the
anger
that
people
feel
about
the
issues
that
have
dominated
the
news
headlines
over
the
last
nearly
a
week
and
I
think
is
potentially
very
damaging
to
the
question
of
public
compliance,
because
members
of
the
public
and
at
me
will
think
well,
one
person
can
do
that.
Why
should
I
be
following
what
the
government,
the
scene
and
I
would
have
proceeded
to
members
of
the
public?
B
Thank
I,
didn't
in
my
statement,
Department
and
Tuesday
in
relation
to
education,
spike
members
of
the
public,
but
their
compliance
with
this
approach,
because
it's
undoubtedly
leaved
many
thousands
of
lanes.
You
know
in
our
community
and
people
have
to
understand
that
Hofer,
irritated
and
angry.
The
me
feel
I'd
like
this.
One
keys
and
I
share
that
anger
and
irritation,
thus
of
nothing
compared
to
the
heartbreak
of
losing
individuals,
because
we
don't
control
coronavirus
and
we
all
have
to
make
a
contribution
towards
achieving
that
objective.
H
Thank
you
can
be
no
end
and
good
morning,
Deputy
First
Minister
and
I'd
like
to
ask
about
local
lock
downs
on
Tuesday
Matt
Hancock
said
there
would
be
local
lot
going
to
respond
to
local
outbreaks
of
the
virus,
and
this
would
be
to
deal
with
specific
flare-ups
once
the
restrictions
in
the
rest
of
the
country
are
released.
So
can
I
ask
what,
on
page
26
of
the
map
document,
there's
reference
to
additional
local
measures
can
I
ask
what
that
means
and
look
a
lot
then
something
that
will
also
happen
in
Scotland.
B
One
of
the
important
aspects
of
the
move
from
lockdown
into
phase
one
is
the
availability
of
an
effective
capacity
in
relation
to
and
pastries,
isolate
and
support
the
taste
of
the
cake
strategy
that
the
government
has
stated
and
that
capacity
is
now
available
for
us
to
be
able
to.
As
we
see
the
level
of
the
and
the
virus,
reducing
within
our
society
be
able
to
address
a
particular
examples.
We
are
and
the
virus
and
we're
individual
tastes
positive
for
the
virus
and
then
to
begin
to
essentially
address
the
don't
answer
that
individual
as
hard.
B
No,
that
task
will
be
a
great
deal
easier
if
people
follow
the
social
distancing
and
and
other
precautions
that
I've
talked
about
it,
because
if
people
are
observing
the
two-meter
physical
distancing
and
are
not
spending
a
time
in
indoors
where
they
shouldn't
be
in
other
households
and
that
type
of
thing
we
will
have
much.
You
will
have
much
less
of
a
caseload
to
try
to
to
contact
them
to
deal
with
and
I'll
be
much
less
disruptive
in
society,
because
people
will
not
have
had
the
contacts
that
will
come
up
in
the
contract
racing
system
do.
B
If
people
follow
the
the
general
rules,
if
I
call
it
those,
then
we
will,
although
individuals
made
and
could
track
the
virus,
and
we
will
have
much
less
containment
to
undertake
in
the
first
place.
But
there
is
the
possibility,
of
course,
that
that
can
be
the
development
of
a
particularly
intense
local
cluster
and
in
those
circumstances
we
would
take
and
public
health
advice,
as
we
would
do
in
any
circumstance
about
what
are
the
right
measures
to
take
to
try
to
control
that,
and
now
will
not
be
prescriptive
about
that.
B
We
simply
reinforced
what
is
an
existing
part
of
our
public
health
approach
within
Scotland,
which
is
to
be
mindful
and
aware
of
the
need
to
take
measures
at
local
level,
where
there
may
be
a
note
big
of
a
particular
problem
and
to
and
require
certain
steps
to
be
taken
in
individual
localities.
So
that
will
reflect
the
the
the
circumstances
that
we
face
and
the
public
health
advice
that
emerges
given
the
nature
of
any
outbreak
of
costume
that
may
emerge
within
Indian,
individual
County.
H
So
there's
obviously
people
who
will
be
travelling
into
an
area
for
work,
caring
purposes
and
a
whole
host
of
other
reasons.
So
if
if
a
local
lockdown
was
in
place,
how
would
that
be
communicated
to
everyone
who
would
need
to
know
and
and
what,
in
terms
of
travel,
what
would
be
deemed
legitimate
travel
or
would
there
simply
be
no
travel.
B
B
If
people
follow
the
general
rules
on
physical,
distancing
upon
coffee
etiquette,
on
an
self-isolation
with
symptoms
and
the
and
as
we
pursue
the
contact
tracing
approach,
and
we
have
the
many
opportunities
that
try
to
suppress
any
further
development
of
the
virus
and
to
ensure
that-
and
we
don't
have
to
take
any
of
the
further
measures
that
a
business
Bishop
is
raising
with
me.
It's
a
void.
What
I
would
accept
would
be
a
wider
community
disruption,
which
is
obviously
something
we're
now
trying
to
relax,
which
and
is
a
widely
shared
objective.
I
B
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
see
whether
individual
contact
resource
would
be
empowered,
but
the
contact
tracing
system
must
give
consideration
to
whether
there
is
a
requirement
for
such
approaches
to
tea.
Please.
What
the
contact
treaters
will
do
is
thus
with
individuals
who
have
a
been
confirmed
as
positive
the
range
of
contacts
that
they
have
had
that
need
to
be
pursued
and
then
to
begin
to
establish
and
what
are
the
circumstances
that
relate
to
individual
cases.
B
The
determine
of
what
additional
support
requires
to
be
put
in
place,
because
the
strategy
is
a
taste,
trees,
isolate
and
support
strategy,
and
it
does
depend
on
that
support
element
being
able
to
be
provided
in
circumstances
where
it
is
required
to
be
done
so
and
the
the
system
will
provide
for
that
and
what
the
rules
and
responsibilities
and
and
levels
of
empowerment
of
individual
contact.
Teresa's
are
and
will
is
issue.
I
can't
give
a
definitive
position
on
today,
but
the
system
must
be
capable
of
undertaking
such
and
such
support.
I
Thank
you.
Do
you
accept
the
premise
of
my
question
that
what
this
is
really
about
is
being
able
to
offer
that
support
quickly,
that
any
delay
that
requires
further
authorisation
from
someone
else
before
you
can
pick?
Accommodation
is
simply
going
to
cause
a
delay
that
may
result
in
a
further
spread
of
the
virus
and
that
the
importance
here
as
being
able
to
do
this
quickly.
Yes,.
I
And
moving
on
to
the
second
I
suppose,
if
your
data
find
that
the
three
things
that
people
need,
if
they're
going
to
survive
so
is
accommodation,
food
and
some
security
around
their
incomes.
Two
brief
questions
are
in
food
and
income
and
the
government,
our
government,
at
all
levels,
have
been
relying
quite
heavily.
I
Certainly
the
first
few
weeks
of
this
crisis
on
voluntary
organizations,
the
third
sector
and
local
mutual
aid
groups,
which
is
very
understandable,
I've
got
an
ad-hoc
group
in
my
community
that
came
together
very
quickly
and
are
now
in
the
position
of
having
statutory
services.
Make
referrals
to
them
now
they're
happy
to
help
whatever
they
can.
But
this
is
an
appeared
where
we
are
all
in
lockdown
and
a
substantial
number
of
people
have
the
time
and
the
capacity
to
be
able
to
do
this.
I
The
test
rates
and
isolate
system
that
will
be
brought
and
know,
is
much
longer-term
and
will
be
in
place
when
hopeful.
If
most
people
are
able
to
go
back
to
work
and
and
return
to
the
normal
waves.
So
a
wondering
what
assessment
the
government
has
made
around
the
ability
to
support,
specifically
an
in
relation
to
food
and
essential
supplies
to
support
those
to
go
into
self
isolation
and
whether
there
will
be
a
continued
reliance
on
the
third
sector
and
informal
mutual
aid
groups.
I
What's
the
essence
being
made
of
long
term
capacity
there
and
my
second
question
our
own
income
and
as
as
the
the
government
considered
and
have
you
spoken
to
the
UK
government,
about
an
equivalent
of
the
furlough
scheme
to
ensure
some
level
of
guaranteed
income
for
those
who
are
required
to
self
isolate
for
two
weeks,
particularly
for
those
who
are
on
sea
contract
and
precarious
work,
that
that
would
be
incredible,
challenging
for
them
to
lose
two
weeks
of
income.
But
we
need
them
to
take
that
step.
We
would
wait
for
the
greater
public
health.
B
Two
very
different
questions
in
the
end
on
the
phosphorylation
to
support
I,
very
much
value
and
welcome
the
enormous
and
voluntary
effort
has
been
pretty
in
place
to
support
individuals
and
provide
assistance
to
them
and
I.
Think
it's
for
completeness.
However,
I
think
it's
also
important
to
acknowledge
the
very
significant
statutory
level
of
support
that's
been
put
in
place.
B
B
Who's
got
coronavirus
and
we'd,
see
to
me
and
you've
got
to
do
everything
you
possibly
can
do
to
follow
the
all
of
the
cool
rules,
about
social
distancing,
cough
etiquette
and
and
and
hand-washing
to
try
to
avoid
getting
into
any
circumstance
where
you
might
come
into
contact
with
covered,
because
it
will
be
very
disruptive
to
your
life,
not
least
approach
to
your
health.
So
try
to
minimize
the
number
of
people
who
are
so
maximizing
the
number
of
people
who
are
continuing
to
observe
and
follow
the
rules.
B
C
C
Think
that
is
is
really
important,
but
all
of
this
so
I
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
about
the
demobilization
of
NHS
services,
because
we
know
that
lot
of
a
measures-
and
you
know-
have
another
and
cool
impact
on
everyone
as
I
wanted
to
ask,
and
particular
patients
who
rely
on
chronic
pain
services
because
I
looked
in
the
the
route
map
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
until
these
two
that
we
could
see
the
introduction
of
and
in
management,
chronic
disease
management
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
chronic
pain
it
was
partly
good
at
them.
C
We've
had
a
meeting
recently
and
there's
some
real
wedding
psychological
consequences
of
people,
not
getting
treatment
like
no
I
just
wondered
if
you
get
that
I
believe
it
I
bet
more
than
why
that
would
be
a
fees
to.
Is
that
any
opportunity
to
bring
that
forward,
because
we've
heard
evidence
from
some
members
of
the
because
particular
of
product
pain
patients
and
paying
for
private
treatment
at
the
moment
for
infusions
and
some
of
travel
to
England,
where
treatment
is
available?
C
So
if
you
can
see
more
about
that
and
I
wondered
if
you've
been
able
to
look
at
the
evidence.
A
committee
took
on
the
seventh
of
me
from
today,
sir
Linda
bald
and
said
Harry
burns
and
the
particular
dwarf
pervasive
bald
said
about
cancer
skinning
and
which
we
know
is
a
a
real
lifesaver
and
we've
got
an
excellent
program
in
Scotland.
Are
you
able
to
see,
based
on
the
professor,
bald
evidence
if
there's
some
good
news
on
that
front?
Coming
soon.
B
Is
that
markup,
where
the
releases
are
very
serious
issues
and
part
of
what
we
have
always
acknowledged
as
a
government?
Is
that-
and
this
was
at
the
heart
of
the
three
MOT
document
enforcement
surface
they
take
a
number
of
weeks
ago
and
was
the
importance
of
recognizing
the
the
fort
harms
and
that
there
was
yes,
a
very
direct
health
harm
from
covered,
but
there's
an
indirect
health
on
which
is
all
of
those
patients
who
are
not
getting
the
treatment
that
they
eat.
B
Do
support
them
at
this
particular
time
and
the
issues
that
any
Cancer
Care
are
particularly
and
anxious.
But
you
know
the
the
chronic
pain
and
suffering
are
exactly
as
significant.
So
what
we?
What
we
acknowledge
is
the
significance
of
that
issue
and
we
have
set
out
some
gradual
steps
that
will
enable
us
to
reactivate
the
health
service.
But
one
of
the
central
points
that
I've
made
to
the
committee
this
morning
is
the
fact
that
we
them,
however,
individually
justifiable
each
particular
state
is
and
I
and
I
don't
dispute
in
any
way.
B
The
individual
justification
of
the
steps
that
Monica
Lynne
has
raised
with
me
when
we
put
them
all
together.
There
is
a
cumulative
impact,
and
this
is
a
key
point.
I
was
trying
to
make
him
by
closing
a
march
to
the
parliamentary
debate
on
the
framework
that
is
inevitably
accumulative
empire
of
different
steps
coming
together
and
which
actually
have
an
effect
on
the
level
of
activity
within
society
and
therefore
the
danger
of
infectiousness
we've
set
our
measured
approach.
C
C
The
density
fresh,
most
of
all
will
go
very
well
and
it's
around
and
children
I'm
thinking
about
Aldrin,
who
are
shielding
the
cause
of
the
wind
health
conditions
or
disabilities
or
children
who
live
with
their
a
parent
who
is
shielding
what
a
kiddo
and
I
just
wondered
and
I'd
not
be
close
to
these
issues.
But
it's
been
really
inspired
a
number
of
conceptions
in
terms
of
the
educational
needs
of
children
with
disabilities
or
additional
support
needs,
and
for
some
children
who
and
in
the
transition
phase
of
one
and
tp1
a
twenty
p7.
C
B
Yeah
I
think
these
are.
These
are
significant
issues
and
hope,
we've
and
what
we
did
through
the
the
crisis
is
the
importance
of,
and
schools
and
local
authority
services,
maintaining
contact
and
support
to
individuals
who
require
about
support
more
than
others
and
as
part
of
the
general
delivery
of
education.
So
I
look
closely
at
data
on
a
weekly
basis
about
the
level
of
contact
the
local
authority
staff
are
having
with
vulnerable
young
children
and
and
I
have
to
see.
B
Local
authorities
have
maintained
a
very
strong
performance
in
contacting
particularly
a
young
people
who
have
child
protection
issues,
and
so
there's
been
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
contact
has
been
in
place
to
be
assured
of
their
security
and
their
safety.
The
individual
schools
are
best
placed
to
make
a
judgement
about
what
support
individual
pupils
will
need.
B
They
know
their
pupils,
and
they
know
them
well
and
for
young
people
with
additional
support
needs
us
ever
more
important
to
make
sure
that
schools
are
empowered
to
have
that
direct
contact
of
communication
with
and
with
an
individual
young
people
who
require
that
support
them
and
I'm.
Pretty
confident
that
that
has
been
ongoing
and
throughout
this
situation
and
won't
be,
as
we
began,
to
see
the
stadium
ton
of
formal
education
services
on
the
specific
point
about
young
people
who
are
shielding
and
those
who
are
in
the
households
of
a
caterer
payment,
British
shilling.
B
This
is
quite
a
complex
issue
because
clearly,
if,
if
I,
if
an
individual
is
shielding-
and
if
we
take
a
scenario
where
it's
apparent-
that
shielding
kind
of
pupil
who's
not
and
the
pupil
is
eligible
in
August
to
go
back
to
school,
we'll
have
to
manage
that
situation
very
carefully
and
very
locally.
Because
of
the
danger
of
that
communication
issue.
More
than
likely
has
not
happened
at
all
for
that
child
and
with
those
a
world
where
a
parent
has
been
shielding
that
that
is
properly
supported.
B
Now,
if
a
judgment
is
made,
for
example,
that
that
child
should
not
return
to
school
because
of
the
dangers
of
the
possibility
of
Cove
had
been
brought
into
the
house,
their
educational
support
will
have
to
be
available
to
that
child
in
their
home
to
enable
them
to
sustain
their
learning.
Now
that
will,
and
that
will
obviously
be
a
minority
of
cases
of
pupils
around
the
country,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
every
individual
piece
is
properly
and
fully
addressed.
C
Thank
you,
Spanish
up
by
asking
a
little
bit
more
about
those
children
who
do
have
complex
support,
needs
and
disabilities
and
who
and
before
the
Corvette's.
You
know
mainly
picked
up
by
er
a
school
bus
to
be
taken
to
an
ESN
beasts
when
they're
in
this
school
they
may
require
21
cared
or
sometimes
two
members
of
staff
to
help
with
personal
care
and
medication,
letting
the
children
saw
and
and
I
don't
want
to
put
hypothetical.
C
But
you
know
if
we're
getting
to
the
point
and
in
August
when
children
are
returning
to
school,
you
know
what
what
guidance
will
be
available
and
advance
for
parents
in
our
children
and
staff
and
for
those
situations
and
because
I
know
that
some
units
fear
that
their
children
face
quite
a
long
period
of
of
isolation
and
of
touch
Doyle.
The
other
impacts
of
of
Corbet's
in
terms
of
people's
mental
health
and
well-being.
So
I
get
able
to
see
anything
more
about
what
guidance
may
emerge,
but
for
people
in
those
situations.
B
B
B
Our
schools
I
think
I
have
a
really
strong
reputation
as
been
places
of
safety
for
most
children
and
I
know
that
school
the
teachers
and
head
teachers
are
determined
to
make
schools
places
of
safety
for
children
and
young
people,
and
that
challenge
is
going
to
be
more
difficult
in
August,
the
most
more
difficult
than
it
was
before
a
lot
though,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
have
lead.
The
guidance
will
be
in
place
to
enable
that
to
be
the
case,
and
it's
then
our
educational
practitioners
and
other
staff
got
to
meet
you.
C
No.
Thank
you
very
much.
No
further
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
put
on
makeup
my
thanks
to
all
teachers
and
school
staff.
I
think
that
I
must
conception
that
the
adults
at
work
right
now,
but
they're
working
very
hard
to
support
young
people
and
families.
I
just
want
to
put
my
appreciation
on
records.
F
The
document
the
government
has
produced
actually
only
uses
the
word
Volvo
or
once
and
that's
in
connection
with
shielding
the
vulnerable
which
lately
confusing
and
I
just
made
the
point
that
it's
probably
quite
important
to
make
sure
that
people,
like
my
self
fear
over
70,
but
not
shielding,
understand
the
implications
of
changes
that
we
made.
So
we
can
make
informed
decisions.
F
These
are
observations.
No
two
questions.
The
the
original
plan
was
that
the
vulnerable
and
the
shielded
should
isolate
for
12
weeks
and
for
my
part,
I
know
of
my
11
this
week.
I,
don't
quite
know
where
the
12
weeks
came
from,
so
it
might
be
interesting
if
there's
anything
to
say
on
that
subject,
but
more
to
the
point
to
can
we
expect,
before
than
12
weeks,
that
up
at
the
end
of
next
week,
that
that
particular
issue
will
be
addressed
and
just
to
consolidate
all
the
things
I
might
want
to
ask
into
one
jumble.
F
One
of
the
issues
as
people
may
be
returning
to
work
relates
to
child
care
and,
in
particular,
I
know
that
a
number
of
families,
particularly
in
rural
areas,
where
there
are
limited
options
out
where
the
child
care
is
often
delivered
by
campaign
of
course,
may
be
in
that
vulnerable
group
and
I.
Wonder
if
there
will
be
any
particular
advice
we
can
offer
depends
who
would
contemplate
going
back
to
work
and
having
grandparents
cover
the
child
care
responsibilities
for
some
of
the
children,
Thank
You.
B
Don't
we
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
a
very
focused
message
for
those
individuals
to
make
sure
that
we
properly
advise
them
of
the
choices
that
they
are
making
and
that
well,
therefore
have
an
influence
on,
and
some
of
the
other
points
that
mr.
Stevenson
raises
with
me,
such
as
whether
or
not
those
individuals
are
able
to
provide
them.
Some
child
care
support
to
families
and
I
I
can
see,
certainly
to
you
know,
from
the
changes
that
will
be
considered
today.
B
We
are
not
considering
them
issues
that
will
enable
people
to
be
indoors
in
other
people's
households.
They
are
not
part
of
these
one,
for
example.
So
the
issue
of
a
a
grandparents
providing
childcare
support
is
not
going
to
be
advanced
to
find
fees
one
and
we
didn't
advertise
it
as
such
and
because
there
are
some
significant
complexities
and
dangers
that
come
from
going
into
other
people's
houses
too,
and
the
Ruby
I
think
mr.
A
Thank
you
very
much
I.
Just
really
other
members
want
to
come
back
in
at
this
point,
so
I
just
say.
Thank
you
to
mr.
Sweeney
for
his
timeless
morning.
It's
been
a
very
comprehensive
discussion
covering
a
broad
range
of
topics,
and
we
will
be
looking
with
great
interest
to
see
what
the
First
Minister
has
to
tell
us
later
today,
and
perhaps
on
the
back
of
that,
you
might
want
to
have
another
session
with
you
at
some
future
point
to
explore
these
issues
further.
For
the
meantime,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
colleagues.