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A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
sick
meeting
of
the
covered
19
committee,
we're
joined
today
by
Hamza
Yusuf
cabinet
secretary
for
justice.
We
will
be
considering
two
statutory
instruments
relating
to
the
early
release
of
prisoners
and
that's
they
are
linked.
The
cabinet
secretary
take
questions
from
the
committee
on
both
instruments.
At
the
same
time,
rather
than
doing
so
under
two
separate
agenda,
Payton's
membership
will
have
received
our
clark
paper
right
in
background
and
procedural
information,
along
with
written
submissions,
have
been
received
from
the
criminal
justice,
voluntary
sector
forum
and
the
Howard
league
Scott.
A
Thank
you.
The
commentator
is
joined
today
by
Scottish
government
officials,
Graham
Robertson
of
the
Community
Justice
Division,
and
create
a
McGuffey
of
the
legal
Directorate.
If
the
cabinet
secretary
would
like
sin,
the
officials
to
contribute
to
the
discussion,
if
he
just
makes
that
clear
at
that
point
and
I
could
just
remind
everyone
to
take
a
breath
before
they
speak,
though
the
cameras
and
microphones
can
be
switched
on
at
the
relevant
point.
But
I
welcome
the
current
Secretary
to
the
meeting
and
away
from
to
make
a
short
public
statement.
D
Well,
firstly,
let
me
thank
you
convener
for
allowing
me
to
give
evidence
on
the
two
regulations
or
you.
The
Igbo
latency
relate
to
presently
asked
20
24/1
3:8
says
the
classes
of
prisoners
eligible
for
release
and
how
that
release
is
being
phased
ii.
Ssi
SSI,
2024,
/
137
makes
a
number
of
necessary
changes.
The
vector
notification
scheme
that
applies
to
those
released
under
the
early
release
arrangements
and
also
makes
provisions
were
the
power
to
veto.
D
Also
very
grateful
to
colleagues
across
all
parties
for
the
constructive
way
in
which
they
are
the
forces
issue.
I
know
that
the
Parliament
unanimously
agreed
the
Akula
virus
go
back
2020
which
put
in
place
the
initiative.
Legislation
to
combat
the
early
release
of
prisoners
ever
became
necessary
judicial
and
after
careful
consideration
and
demon
with
the
Scottish
Prison
Service,
that
became
clear
that
a
really
necessary
action
can
be
taken.
But
when
the
21st
early
apply
of
Em's
to
power,
my
intention
there
to
Parliament
my
intention
to
bring
forward
regulations
and
lead
development
regulations
before
Parliament
Monday.
D
The
4th
of
me,
those
regulations
that
are
the
criteria
of
the
most
eligible
flesh
release
process
of
the
limits
on
serving
a
sentence
of
less
than
18
months
and
being
3
months
or
less
from
their
release
date.
There
are
safeguards
in
the
act
itself
which
exclude,
for
example,
personnel
should
have
committed
sexual
offences
or
terrorist
offences.
D
These
regulations
have
added
further
exclusions
in
relation
to
domestic
abuse
and
harassment,
and
the
governor's
veto
is
also
in
place
where
the
governor
considers
that
the
person,
at
least
with
an
immediate
risk
of
harm
to
an
identified
person,
while
all
the
individuals
within
the
eligible
cohort
within
any
released
prompters
in
the
deliberation
date
over
the
next
12
weeks.
I
believe
this
was
a
proportionate
share
of
safeguards
put
in
place.
Work
is
very
much
on
the
way
to
see
if
all
the
eligible
individuals
who
flee
individuals
will
be
released
over
the
course
of
this
month.
D
I'd
like
a
little
a
bit
object
on
the
release
process
were
far
I've,
been
advised
by
Scottish
Prison
Service
Management,
that
the
administration
of
the
process
has
been
profession
to
plan
as
a
gift.
In
evening,
240
individuals
have
been
early
as
the
process
began
and
governor's
veto
has
been
applied
and
fifty-five
cases
and
control
and
I'm
sure
the
investment
logistics
on
the
list
process
were
published
on
the
SPS
website.
D
Further
information
will
be
made
available
me
as
PS
website
as
each
phase
groups
plans
for
the
lease
process
in
advance
government
hosting
services
and
far
safer,
that
caused
the
leadership,
the
association
of
local
authority
chief,
wasn't
chief
housing
officers,
Oshawott
Scotland
in
our
state
quarters,
but
being
closely
involved,
and
thus
working
I
personally
have
been
a
regular
contact
with
Tesla
pilot
was
Bob.
Bell
stops
into
partner
city.
Actually
thankful,
in
fact,
from
just
as
partners
suggests
that
the
dalish
process
has
been
operating
effectively
overall,
with
support
available
to
those
individuals
at
me.
D
We
already
know
that
president
lease
can
be
a
challenging
thing,
so
I'm
grateful
for
the
way
partners
have
come
together
to
share
data
and
undertake
I
said
before
this
was
not
an
easy
decision
or
one
that
we
would
have
taken
lately,
I'm
acutely
aware
of
the
impact
that
these
real
issues
may
have
and
those
who've
been
back
films
offering
and
this
decision
she
won't
diminish
what
they
have
experienced.
That
is
why
it
was
important
there.
D
Through
these
regulations,
the
victim
notification
scheme
was
modified
to
assure
any,
but
those
who
had
already
registered
in
the
scheme
we
notify,
if
I
specify,
because
now
there's
no
is
to
be
the
least
bit.
Of
course,
net
computer
there'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
question.
Members
have
on
the
release
process
and
the
details
of
these
regulations.
I.
A
A
Actually,
that's
very
helpful
introduction,
I'm
Caius
and
members
who
want
to
supplementary
to
type
in
our
in
the
boss,
the
relevant
point
and
I'll
try
and
bring
them
in
as
best
I
can.
If
I
can
just
start
off
with
a
couple
of
questions
cabinet
secretary-
and
you
referred
to
the
victim
notification
scheme
that
allows
victims
who've
signed
up
to
the
scheme
to
be
notified.
Often
offenders
apparently
release
can
I
ask
more
proportion
of
eligible
victims.
I'm
Ashley
signed
up
to
the
scheme,
and
is
that
a
risk
that
some
victims
may
not
currently
be
registered?
D
D
A
My
gosh,
secondly,
can
I
ask
the
the
reason
the
regulations
are
provisional
or
was
known
as
a
maid
affirmative
instrument,
main
durations
came
into
force
immediately
when
the
regulations
were
were
played
and
by
the
court
of
Parliament
did
not
at
that
point
have
a
chance
to
consider
them.
What
would
happen?
Innovate
in
the
Parliament
decides
not
to
approve
the
regulations
in
28-day
period,
particularly
given
that
there
are
prisoners
who
have
already
been
released
earlier
than
specified
in
their
original
sentence.
D
Again,
you
see
the
question
cadena
I
hope
that
you
and
others
will
appreciate
that
we
had
to
take
these
measures
again
letter
piece
because
of
the
nature
of
the
crisis
and
the
nature
of
the
crisis
were
facing
within
our
prisons
in
particular,
which,
as
I,
see
from
the
evidence
you've
received
from
from
The
Herald
link.
For
example,
you
know
the
president's
can
be
a
real
incubator
for
violence,
really
important
action
quickly
that
we
thought
was
necessary
and
proportionate.
D
To
give
you
a
direct
answer
to
your
question
that
those
who
listen
releases
would
still
be
long
once
an
individual
has
been
released,
they
are
released.
There
would
be
no
question
of
Parliament
say
that
not
to
approve
those
releases
being
recalled
back
and
presence
that
doesn't
happen
legally.
What
I
can't
give
an
understanding,
of
course,
the
importance
or
collimators,
for
example,
after
this
committee,
the
committee
doesn't
nor
Parliament
does
not
prove
regulations.
A
F
Thank
you,
computer
and
good
afternoon
couple
secretary
and
colleagues
and
I
have
two
questions
which
relate
to
practical
issues
surrounding
release,
and
first
is
concerns
have
been
expressed
that
in
some
cases
that
release
is
being
organized
with
less
than
24
hours
notice,
and
that
obviously
would
involve
practical
challenges
in
a
number
of
respects
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
seek
clarification
from
the
cabinet
safety.
On
that
point,
my
second
question:
I'll,
just
roll
them
up
together.
F
My
second
question
and
involves
concerns
raised
about
the
fact
that
in
some
instances
face
things
are
not
being
made
available
to
the
released
prisoner,
who
has
to
get
from
the
prison
to
the
home
area,
often
on
public
transport.
So
perhaps
the
cabinet
secretary
can
again
provide
some
clarification
on
that
issued.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
for
that
for
those
questions,
I'll
take
both
of
them
and
time
in
relation
to
the
president's
be
released
on
less
than
24
hours
and
what
what
he
probably
helpful.
So
it's
a
point
to
make
it
best
at
this
point.
You'd,
be
that
remember.
The
are
already
present
dishes
that
are
ongoing,
so
there's
the
early
whisking
and
of
course
there
is
the
weekly
any
given
week
and
that
number
could
be
anywhere
between
a
hundred
and
hundred
fifty
Fresno's.
D
To
happen
is
that
local
authorities
are
given
weeks,
12
weeks
notice
of
prisoners
that
may
be
released
in
their
local
authority
area,
and
that
process
has
also
continued
for
those
that
would
be
on
early
release
as
well.
So
there
should
be
quite
a
lot
of
advance
notice.
The
issues
you
refer
to
regular,
fair
to
those
less
than
24
hours,
notice
and
Namira
all
happened
very
much
at
the
beginning
of
the
process,
and
that
is
regrettable.
D
They
certainly
I'm
I'm,
confident
and
that
the
procedures
we
know
have
in
place
mean
they're,
normally
local
authorities,
but
other
partners
about
this
I've
spoken
to
the
Chancellor
patty
from
is
my
counterpart
and
I've.
Been
assured.
When
you
should
label
information
detail
about
every
prisoner
is
not
a
satisfactory
that
coming
in
at
Emmaus
manner
as
well.
D
So
hopefully
that
is
resolved
that
issue,
but
but
I
do
not
take
away
from
what
you
see
in
relation
to
perhaps,
and
some
of
the
challenges
we
face
at
the
very
beginning
on
the
scheme,
I
think
the
important
point-
I.
Don't
if
you
smash
you
get
me
out
only
to
go
back
on
the
detail
about
what
I
would
see.
Is
this,
of
course,
the
face
mask
attendance
based
on
these
masks?
It's
not
mandatory
after
we're
face
masks
on
public
transport.
F
Was
just
a
suicide
community
cuz
over
here
that
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
the
the
cabinet
sector
did
get
back
to
the
Committee
on
that
point,
because
I
think
it's
it's
certainly
it
seems
to
be
where
we're
all
moving
to
in
the
next
phase
to
be
wearing
face
coverings
in
appropriate
circumstances,
chopping
a
public
chance,
for
it
would
appear
to
be
one
of
those,
and
it
would
appear,
therefore,
that
the
face
covering
should
be
made
available.
But
we
can
look
forward
to
clarification
in
writing
perhaps
from
the
canvassing
okay.
A
H
Thanks
convenient
good
afternoon
cabinet
secretary,
as
you
know,
many
constituents
and
victims
will
be
understandably
anxious
about
the
changes
that
you've
announced
as
welcome,
though,
to
see
that
certain
categories
of
plasma
and
couldn't
those
convicted
of
sexual
offenses
and
those
in
prison
for
life
will
not
be
eligible
for
early
release.
However,
I
know
that
there
are
a
greater
number
of
lamont
prisoners
are
being
released
and
bill
because
the
trials
can't
proceed.
We
know
that,
but
that's
true
is
giving
some
cause
for
concern.
Then
some
women
are
genuinely
in
fear
for
their
safety.
D
No
change
whatsoever
has
been
me
and
that
spit
during
this
covered
at
nineteen
pandemic.
So
I
suppose
that
is
the
important
point
to
me
as
a
challenging
one,
because
of
course,
when
it
comes
to
those
prisoners
that
are
on
find,
you
know,
they've
been
convicted
and
therefore,
you
know
must,
by
law,
benefit
from
the
presumption
of
innocence.
D
What
I
would
say
is
that
almost
every
conversation
I
have
with
the
Chief
Constable
and
the
Lord
Advocate.
Obviously,
the
coincide
both
of
those
individuals
and
the
organization's
they
represent
absolutely
alive
and
lay
up
to
the
Angels
that
victims
and
survivors
of
domestic
abuse
me
well.
Some
are
particularly
as
a
result
of
walk
through
measures,
not
just
women
in
particular,
also
children
as
well
sorvino's
home
of
what
you've
done
back
in
Scotland,
in
particular
alongside
our
partners
such
as
Scottish
limousine,
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
absolutely
everything
possible
to.
H
Just
follow
up
a
lot
convener,
they
can
say
like.
Did
you
think
that
volge
that
need
to
be
some
kind
of
additional
assessment
of
less
government
that
are
going
to
be
more
of
less
category
of
reserve?
Are
they
being
released
and
Beal
the
cause
of
the
circumstances
and
we
find
up
those
and
just
a
greater
number?
Perhaps
a
present
has
been
a
Liberty
because
of
that
should
we
have
a
lo
the
course
of
wicked
now
at
ESA
say
the
additional
risks
that
may
be
involved
here.
D
As
a
general
point,
I'm
always
a
general
point,
I'm
always
happy
to
have
a
closer
look,
of
course,
and
I
will
pick
this
up
with
this
question
of
you
know,
service
and
also
more
than
happy
to
have
conversations
with
other
appropriate
stakeholders.
I
just
must
be
up
to
date.
The
point
of
course
I,
don't
know
you
know
this
most
bail
decisions
are
for
the
independent
Mead
and
I.
Just
go
back
to
the
point.
I
made
him
a
previous
answered
that
the
reasons
to
refuse
be
able
relation
to
public
safety
risk
of
harm
to
an
individual.
D
None
of
that
has
changed
or
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
have
the
figures,
of
course,
but
I
would
ask
the
question,
but
there
is
no
evidence
thus
far
that
I've
seen
will
indicate
that
more
individuals
are
being
planted,
bail
in
relation
to
potential
domestic
abuse
cases,
but
I
won't
take
a
look
at
antlers
magome
links.
Question
is
here
you're
taken
to
to
have
a
good
ear
to
the
ground
in
these
matters.
A
B
Thank
You
convener
a
good
afternoon
Cameron
secretary
of
two
or
three
quick
questions
on
the
prisoner
release
regulations.
The
first
don't
Sykes
I.
There
were
obviously
faced
with
similar
challenges
and
they
I
believe
one
of
the
remedies
that
they
looked
at
was
temporarily
expanding.
The
capacity
of
the
estate
now
I
know
that
you
and
your
officials
are
in
regular
contact
with
our
colleagues
down
south,
and
so
are
you
able
to
help?
The
committee
understand
why?
Why
was
that
not
felt
to
be
an
option
up
here
as
an
alternative
to
prisoner
release.
D
So
the
members
right
have
a
fairly
regular
engagement
with
Yuki
come
to
parks.
It's
been
a
very
constructive
engagement.
We
both
understand
what
the
plans
are
for
for
each
of
our
establishments
and
also
where
we
can
share
information.
We've
been
very
clear
information,
but
again
the
context
of
that
shooting
of
information.
There's
always
been
an
absolutely
explicit
understanding
that
we
will
take
whatever
course
of
action,
as
is
necessary
for
the
Prison
Service,
a
terrible
jurisdictions,
and
so
what
is
late
for
prisons
in
England
and
Wales?
D
That
may
not
be
ready
for
what
prisons
in
Scotland,
indeed
prisons
in
Northern
Ireland,
and
it
would
be
worth
seeing
that
the
UK
government
of
portion
denotes
4,000
prisoners.
I,
think
my
understanding
is,
after
the
number
of
weeks
of
that's
you've,
looked
abandoned
that
was
paid
back,
yeah
philately,
potentially
one
floating
in
Northern
Ireland
they've
taken
the
assembler
approach
to
Scotland.
They
have
an
earlier
scheme
which
I
think
is
also
for
prisoners
with
less
than
3
months
or
3
months
or
less
of
their
sentence
as
well.
D
So
the
reason
why
we
looked
at
the
alien
is
one
is
the
quickest,
obtain
the
help
us
alongside
HDC
reduce
the
population
which
is
important
absences.
We
have
because
of
our
abilities,
single-cell
occupancy
em
as
well,
so
any
others
even,
for
example,
looking
at
increasing
capacity
and
we're
struggling
to
see
where
we
can
do
that
and
what
capacity
we
could
use
you
do
that
any
meaningful
we
custody
stating
with
themselves
as
the
evidence
in
front
of
you
demonstrates
cuz.
This
is
really.
B
Thank
you
for
that
answer,
and
different
tack
now,
just
to
clear
up
is
that
I
think
there's
perhaps
a
little
less
understanding
about
this
than
there
might
be
so
you
and
I
looked
obviously
with
others
in
a
coronavirus
bill.
Yesterday
we
discussed
sunset
clauses.
I.
Can
you
help
the
committee
and
anyone
watching
this
understand?
When
will
this
SSI
lapse
precisely
and
what
happens
at
that
point?
D
And
yes,
that
would
essentially
be
the
end
of
the
early
we're
of
there
being
any
additional
flexibility
that
god
I
will
ask
what
my
official
legal
saying
just
to
make
sure
that
absolutely
right
what
I
would
say
it
forces
a
domain
of
all
this
is
in
a
legally
scheme.
We
have
the
normal
at
least
that
progresses
anyway
as
paranormal.
So
any
give
me
a
hundred
two
hundred,
those
in
blue,
so
those
individuals
who
mess
the
cutoff
point.
I
The
expedited
procedure
under
the
Cabarrus
contact
and
that
provides
for
the
regulations
to
be
enforced
per
period
of
28
days
and
if
they
are
approved,
but
then
that
period,
then
they
can
extend
for
180
days
and
the
the
regulations
we
have
produced
made
I've
instructed
so
that
the
eligibility
of
prisoners
is
determined
by
reference
to
the
first
day
that
they
were
enforced
alone.
So
there
will
be
a
charge
of
prisoners
right
and
if
I
didn't
on
day,
one
here
will
be
released
or
eligible
for
reached
over
the
course
of
the
the
regulations.
I
The
regulations
plan
for
the
police
to
be
phased
over
over
the
National
28
DS,
and
that
was
what
hurt,
because
the
the
the
urgency
of
the
kurma
to
release
people
and
and
the
the
guarantee
that
the
regulations
will
certainly
be
enforced
for
28
days.
If
the
Parliament
doesn't
approve
them,
they
will
fall
after
28.
I
Dps
should
say
that
anyone
released
in
that
28
deep
leads
would
continue
to
be
released,
even
if
the
regulations
do
fall
on
day
28
and
anyone
who
is
eligible
and
obtains
eligibility,
children
that
28-day
period
and
that's
by
reference
to
the
time
they
have
left
to
serve
on
the
day
that
the
regulations
come
to
force.
Anyone
who
is
eligible
em,
but
it's
not
released
during
that
20
d
periods
possible
in
grains
of
health.
I
B
Thank
you
very
much,
I,
that's
very
helpful
from
both
of
you.
Thank
you
and
final
question
from
me
cabinet
secretary,
a
disappointingly
and
I
know.
You
share
my
disappointment
on
this.
There
are
some
examples,
not
many,
but
some
examples
of
those
haven't
been
released
under
this
scheme
already
reoffending.
D
Thanks
to
being
plugged
into
the
question,
I
share
your
disappointment,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
have
always
been
very
careful
when
talking
about
the
LED
scheming,
not
to
make
a
suggestion
that
everybody
that
will
be
released
well
or
sometimes
dear,
the
president.
That
simply
not
be
the
case.
We
know
that
the
individuals
were
dealing
with
and
you
know
the
justice
committee
have
complex
needs.
Often
the
autoclave
snows
and
the
syllabus
is
available
to
them.
D
Are
this
thing
somewhat
limited
compared
to
if
we
measure
through
hazard
zone
you're,
absolutely
right
has
been
some
publicity,
and
so
he
said
one
of
the
cases
we
had
some
but
the
custody
in
terms
of
the
direct
housing
situation.
Certainly
resource
has
been
part
of
the
conversation
Kozma
and
why
have
done
is
the
additional
four
million
that
we
give
to
local
authorities
for
community
justice
measures.
D
What
we've
done
is
a
load
and
that
to
be
used
in
a
flexible
manner,
therefore,
can
be
used
in
essence
to
help
in
relation
to
the
air
legally
scheme
as
well
and
I
have
regular
phone
calls
with
my.
His
group
and
I've
also
had
a
conversation
with
Sakura
as
well
and
continuing
to
make
the
case
of
them
that
if
they
feel
that,
as
you
need
the
resource,
but
then
my
daughter's
very
open
one.
So
far,
what
they're
doing
they're
managing
to
be
profile
and
some
of
their
spend.
A
C
Thank
You
convener
and
gardening
cabinet
secretary
I'm
sure
that
your
own
officials
that
everybody
in
the
in
the
present
service
have
been
working
extremely
hard
in
these.
These
new
circumstances
to
try
and
adapt,
but
one
of
the
effects
of
the
the
current
situation,
as
as
the
Howard
leaks,
rep
merit.
Mister.
C
D
In
matters
of
who
perform
when
it
comes
to
the
three
Kira
supports
and
I
think
he
walked
my
own
for
the
committee
at
some
point
here
and
from
the
waste
from
sacrum
and
I
hope.
It
was
being
done
opposed
to
say
that
the
community
or
the
processes
that
we
have
in
place
or
do
we
have
at
least
relation
between
present
service.
They
tell
me
he
is
the
best
and
they
have
ever
seen,
and
she
not
didn't
didn't
know
at
that
point
has
to
put
in
place
that
liveable
support
and
the
wise
exactly
themselves.
D
D
A
Thank
You
Carolyn
secretary
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
some
of
us
are
having
difficulty
hearing
some
of
that
answer.
You
gave
to
Patrick
Harvie
I,
think
you
might
mean
having
one
or
two
microphone
difficulties
there
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
might
be
helpful.
If
you
were
to
write
to
the
committee
just
to
go
on
record
the
answer.
You've
just
given
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
of
it
official
we
would
actually
have
called.
G
Thank
you
can
be
noted
and
good
afternoon
cabinet
secretary
I
was
able
to
hear
most
of
what
you
said,
and
hopefully
you
can
hear
me
if
I
can
pick
up
on
just
some
practical
issues
similar
to
to
what
Annibale
doing
was
asking
at
that
at
the
beginning
and
and
I
was
pleased
to
hear
if
you
see
that
that
you've
worked
closely
with
coil
and
caseload
party
and
other
call
it.
So
that's
that's
reassuring,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
about
that.
G
The
plans
are
add
in
place
to
support
and
has
no
release
under
this
scheme
and
I
wasn't
aware
of
a
ton
as
short
as
24
hours
and
but
I'm
aware
that
and
local
authorities
and
if
there's
across
the
country,
but
lots
of
staff
have
been
absent
for
the
Vedas
reasons.
So
I
just
wonder
if
you
can
say
more
about
the
plans.
G
Tell
you
especially
about
people
who
are
asymptomatic
and
have
the
dividers
that
one
don't
you
can
give
an
update
on
your
thinking
on
that
and
I
think
you
said
at
the
beginning
that
under
the
scheme
as
of
last
night
240
because
there
have
been
released,
I
think
I've
got
the
figured
connect.
Are
you
able
to
advise
or
get
officials
how
many
of
those
individuals
were
tasted
for
Q&A
by
use.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
it'll
be
my
ends.
Making
because
I
am
I
mess
some
we
say,
but
I
think
picking
up.
I
might
just
love
it.
So
if
I
don't
agree
any
good
quitters.
Obviously
you
can
come
back
to
me
in
terms
of
the
housing,
support
and
other
support
and
also
you
know,
put
an
emphasis
on
addiction
services
because
of
the
the
court
and
the
population.
Obviously
we're
dealing
with
and
I
would
see
in
similar
to
Nazareth
Patrick
Harvie
that,
notwithstanding
the
very
difficult
challenges
that
you
particularly
very
real
absences
and
professional
local
government.
D
Notwithstanding,
all
of
that,
the
the
sympathy
received
has
been
the
first
class,
and
that's
not
my
simply
my
my
observation
and
it's
the
opposite
reason
that
I've
had
from
Khosla
and
the
observation
and
excuse
me
I
have
from
partners
such
as
the
wise
and
sacral.
What
I
have
asked
was
ma
after
my
last
phone
call
with
clearly
Patti
this
week
was,
if
you
can
come
back
to
me
with
any
particular
concerns
with
any
specific
local
authorities
and
they're
owned
any
gaps
in
service
and
I.
D
Look
to
address
that
very
specifically
did
not
come
back
to
me
yet
cause
I'm
due
another
phone
call
with
them
next
week
and
what
I
see
on
the
housing
same
things
progressing
really.
Well,
because
again,
you
have
the
three
of
the
left
and
accommodation
has
been
able
to
be
phone
I'm,
not
really
because
no
coming
out
and
having
to
having
any
housing
issues.
D
The
was
one
or
two
anecdotal
stories
that
the
wise
could
be
able
to
tell
me
and
where
there
was
perhaps
a
mix-up
when
the
president
was
released
in
relation
to
their
housing
in
the
quarter,
their
housing
provision,
but
that
was
very
quickly
resolved
by
the
fact
the
individual
was
able
to
contact
wisedom.
They
were
then
able
to
contact
a
constable
I
get
that
issue
was
on
really
quickly,
so
we
are
looking
into
that
on
a
really
regular
basis.
We
possibly
can
on
one
taste
in
the
latest
position.
D
Is
there
in
Maine
about
business
management
and
the
hills
boards
have
taken
a
position
to
test
prisoners
if
they
are
symptomatic
and
our
conversations,
our
business
services
conversations
with
the
other
words
indicate
that
we
expect
them
deep
as
an
establishment.
They'll
be
testing
prisoners
there
if
they
are
displaying
symptoms
of
Corbin
18:4
law.
Recent
matter,
if
they
are
symptomatic,
are
presenting
symptoms
and
won't
be
yes,
the
limitations
on
testing
and,
of
course,
we
continue
to
monitor
the
buildings
and
testing
below
there
are
limitations.
D
What
testing
can
tell
you
that
specific
time
what
we've
done
on
the
LD
is
people
we're
engaged
they're
the
health
professionals
within
that
prison
and
they
believe
an
individual
is
corvid
maintained,
positive
and,
of
course,
that
can
be
reaffirmed
by
the
testing
and
those
main
establishments.
Then
we
have
the
ability
to
delay
an
individual's
release.
Don't
we
think
they
are
no
longer
a
19
positive?
Was
that
additional,
where
the
health
professionals
in
the
prison
been
able
to
meet
that
judgment?.
G
You
know
just
upon
entry
and
I,
don't
know
if
the
the
pact
equation
about
how
meny
of
the
released
prisoners
and
had
been
tasted,
if
you're
not
able
to
get
that
answered.
If
you
could
write
so
the
committee
that
would
be
helpful
and
but
we
dense,
as
I,
came
out,
CT
evidence
from
Sir
Harry
Barnes
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
he
talked
about
within
health
and
social
care
settings
staff
unwittingly
transmitting
the
values
because
of
an
e
sent
sick.
So
we
are
learning
more
and
more
all
the
time.
G
D
Well,
first
and
foremost,
when
it
comes
to
those
who
are
working
present
service,
they
have
access
to
the
drive-through
testing
facilities
and
be
making.
Could
you
suppose-
and
that
can
be
demonstrated
by
the
fact,
by
the
fact
that
a
number
of
those
who
were
absent
in
the
absence
of
presence
have
dropped
from
a
high
of
about
25
percent
course
of
the
seventeen?
D
Yes
new
percent.
So
there
is
activity
available
for
for
the
staff
water,
which
is
the
present
policy,
is
very
much
away
into
the
health
protection
Scotland
and
face
as
accomplished.
And
if
that
develops
that
changes,
then
of
course
the
present
service
will
look
to
potentially
change
their
guidance
also,
but
they
are
very
much
aligned
with
the
national
guidance.
I.
A
J
Afternoon
cabinet
secretary
and
in
your
opening
remarks,
you
said
that
the
statistics
on
prisoner
release
will
be
on
SPS
website
and
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
will
this
be
broken
down
by
age
and
authority
and
they
will
and
I'm
sorry
if
you've
mentioned
this,
but
I
didn't
catch
it?
If
you
did
well
SPS
publish
information
about
how
many
vetoes
that
prisoner
governors
have
used.
D
By
age
they
can
be
broken
by
local
authorities
broken
by
president
establishment.
It's
broken
down
by
gender,
as
we
often
with
quite
a
lot
of
media
and
released,
as
you
see
that
that
statistical
bulletin
is
on
or
is
released
after
every
trudge,
so
the
next
one
would
be
next
week
in
terms
of
the
detail:
listen
together
law.
It
also
gives
information
on
the
governor's
new
tool.
Yes,
it
does
get
a
break,
though,
and
of
how
many
people.
D
J
Okay,
and
thank
you
for
that-
that's
helpful
and
also,
if
you
could,
let
us
know
him
as
the
first
tranche
of
prisoner
release.
It
comes
to
an
end
in.
Are
there
early
signs
of
full
place
on
prisoner
occupancy
rates?
Again,
my
apologies.
If
you
you
touch
that,
but
on
that,
but
what
sure
it
has
it
has
it
been
as
effective
as
you
hoped
it
would
be.
D
D
And
I
believe
overall
justice
committee
have
detention
curfew
as
well
and
has
been
ramping
up
as
well,
so
complain
with
early
release.
We,
you
know,
have
greater
single-cell
occupancy
across
the
estate.
Better
maintenance
was
just
remembering
where
we,
where
be
pandemic,
people
had
emic,
almost
every
single
one
of
our
prisons
was
overcrowded
and
some
of
them
readability
was
115
over
coded
possession.
D
We
we
are
going
to
just
below
7000
and
coffee
and
sauce
or
well
below
operating
in
design
capacity
across
these
things
has
been.
What
I've
never
done
and
I
would
be
able
to
do
is
give
you
an
absolute
what
number
we
have
definitively.
We
can
have
single
Sherlock.
You
can
see
it
every
single
business
that
mushroom
buzz,
because
you
know
every
single
prisoners.
Of
course.
Thank
you.
Definitely,
there
are
some
presidents
more
long-term
prisoners
released
as
the
latest
instances,
more
sex
offenders,
for
example,
and
some
presence.
C
D
D
Regard
so
my
concern
is,
as
claim
levels
begin
to
come
back
to
normal
levels
and
we're
beginning
to
see
that
Chief,
Constable
and
his
deputies
tell
me
we're
beginning
to
see.
Uk
levels
come
back
to
some
sort
of
normality
and
you
can
expect,
as
the
restrictions
are,
even
as
the
Lord
might
publish
be,
that
you'll
begin
to
see
that
normality
of
play
levels
those
levels
mobilizing
further
and
we're
already
seeing
that
have
an
impact
on
the
present
population
that
best
meet.
D
If
we
did
not
have
the
aliens
and
we're
not
able
to
entry
per
few,
the
present
population,
at
least
that's
me,
being
a
costly
prison
population
with
an
increase
as
lot
variations.
The
the
second
part
of
the
creation
of
what
we're
doing
at
the
moment
internally
I
have
to
convince
it's
a
big
focus
of
work,
because
we
don't
know
what
we
work
that
have
engaged
in
the
moment
and
also
dependent
on
the
service.
D
E
Cabinet
secretary
I
am
making
the
assumption
that,
of
course,
an
early
release
does
not
remove
a
single
day
from
the
sentence
that
has
been
imposed
on
their
person
subject
to
that
area
release
and
that,
therefore,
those
sentence
continues
a
after
they
are
released
into
the
community
until
the
expiry
of
the
sentence.
Assuming
that
I'm
correct
in
that.
E
Does
that
there
for
me
that
these
people
could
be
subjective
appropriate
to
recall
to
custody
because,
of
course,
that's
quite
important,
because
the
grounds
for
recall
are
not
those
which
are
required
for
a
new
conviction
under
the
criminal
justice
system,
but
are
more
straight
forward,
might
be
difficult
for
the
victims
of
crime
or
difficult
for
the
community
at
large.
Is
that
recall
something
that's
still
in
operation?
Oh.
D
I
Don't
think
captivity
and
the
core
of
prisoners
who
are
being
released
is
there
are
all
short-term
prisoners
that
means
that
the
seven
senses
of
license
for
years,
so
when
they're
released
at
the
halfway
stage
of
a
sentence,
they're
released
unconditionally
and
there's
no
license
condition
in
place.
Those
prisoners
are
still
serving
their
sentence
in
the
community
and
but
they're
not
sort
of
license
conditions
if
they
were
to
commit
a
father
affair
during
the
currency
of
that
sentence.
I
A
A
Members
and
members,
are
content
not
to
make
any
recommendations
to
the
Parliament
on
the
negative
SSRS,
the
criminal
justice,
miscellaneous
temporary
modifications,
coronavirus,
scotland
regulations,
2020,
ssi,
2020
/,
one
three,
seven
many
member
disagrees
with
that.
If
they
can
type
n
into
the
chat
are
no.
A
I'm
not
seeing
any
disagreement
to
that
we
can
have
when
I
move
on
to
item
two
on
the
agenda,
which
is
a
consideration
of
the
motion
on
the
affirmative,
SSI
and
I
will
invite
at
the
minister
to
move
motion
s5m
two
one,
seven,
three:
eight:
that
the
coverage
19
committee
recommends
that
the
release
of
prisoners,
coronavirus,
scotland
regulations,
2020,
SSI,
2020,
/
138.
We
approved
this.
A
You
can
it
secretary
I'm,
assuming
no
members
want
to
speak
in
relation
to
that
motion.
I'm,
not
seeing
anyone
indicate
that
by
therefore
I
put
the
question.
The
question
is
the
motion
s5m
to
173
8b
degree:
T.
Does
any
member
disagree?
If
so,
if
you
please
type
in
into
the
chat
bar
at
this
point,
we
are
not
agreed
and
there
will
therefore
be
a
division.
A
A
Results
of
the
voltage
are
as
follows:
in
favor
of
the
motion
we
have
Willy
coffee,
Anibal
Ewing
through
the
Robson
Stewart
Stevenson
Monica,
Lennon,
Patrick,
Harvie
and
Beatriz
Wishard.
There
were
no
votes
against
and
there
were
two
abstentions
and
a
million
carrot
and
myself
that's
there
for
seven
votes
in
favor
and
two
votes,
two
votes
against
and
two
abstentions,
and
that
motion
is
therefore
carried.