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A
B
You
very
much
Mattie
I,
guess
me--let
Angus
and
a
few
hua
Zhu
I've
leaned
if
good
morning,
convener,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
inviting
my
colleagues
and
me
here
this
morning.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me:
I'm
Donalda,
I'm,
director
of
BBC
Scotland
and,
as
premier
said,
I'm
joined
today
by
Steve
Carson,
who
is
Busey's,
got
on
the
head
of
multi-platform,
commissioning
and
Glenda
Sherwood.
Who
is
the
BBC's
chief
financial
officer?
B
We
know
that
audiences
in
Scotland
love
their
comedy
and
entertainment,
drama,
documentaries
and
sport
in
particular,
and
have
a
great
appetite
for
news
and
current
affairs.
So
when
we
launched
the
channel
on
February
24th
bringing
an
additional
900
hours
of
new
content
to
our
screens
annually,
we
made
a
deliberate
plan
to
showcase
those
types
of
programs,
in
particular,
while
also
appealing
more
to
younger
audiences
than
we
have
previously
prior
to
launch.
B
So
that
means
more
than
one
in
six
of
audiences
in
Scotland
are
watching
the
channel
every
week
requests
to
you
to
view
our
programmes
on
the
iPlayer
have
risen
by
more
than
a
hundred
percent
this
year
to
more
than
50
million,
and
crucially,
the
channel
is
adding
unique
reach
for
the
BBC
in
Scotland,
most
notably
amongst
younger
audiences.
It's
also
not
just
about
not
just
Ofcom
that
are
telling
us
that
we've
unlocked
something
special
for
audiences.
He
has
gotten
it
and
beyond.
Just
four
days
ago,
three
programmes
commissioned
specifically
from
the
BBC
Scotland
channel.
B
We
are
Kashmir
FC
murder
case
and
one
that
would
have
been
of
particular
interest
to
members
here.
Yes,
no
inside
the
endear,
f1
Scottish
BAFTAs,
while
three
more
programmes
made
for
UK
audiences
as
a
result
of
our
local
and
network
investment
dramas,
the
cry
and
the
victim
and
children's
show.
Last
commanders
were
also
successful,
as
was
one
of
our
disclosure
programmes
and
who
killed
Emma
on
the
murder
of
Emma
Caldwell.
B
We've
had
a
fruitful
year
in
research,
development
and
training,
creating
an
additional
157
technology
jobs
as
a
result
of
the
BBC
designating
Pacific
key
as
one
of
their
key
bases
working
on
many
things,
including
voice
recognition
and
AI
partnering
with
a
number
of
organisations
has
been
vital
for
our
successes
and
particularly
with
screen.
Scotland
and
they've
helped
us
bring
compelling
new
content
like
dramas,
gilt
and
Elizabeth,
is
missing,
missing
and
forthcoming
new
sitcom
to
her
screens.
B
We've
also
tried
to
share
our
new
investment
right
across
the
country
just
today,
for
example,
we're
announcing
a
raft
of
new
commissions
from
Aberdeen,
including
second
C's
of
the
Children's
Hospital,
and
the
great
food
guys
guys
and
a
much
longer
run
for
next
year's
beech
grove
garden
and
before
a
wrap
up
our
quote
from
a
review
which
appeared
in
last
weekend's
guardian
observer
Bayou
in
Ferguson.
So
he
says
for
the
last
few
months,
there's
been
an
experiment
called
BBC
Scotland
a
dedicated
evening
channel
that
seeks
to
reflect
my
country.
It's
a
decades-old
trouble.
B
Boneyard
of
an
ambition,
dreams
and
body
still
relies
shrewd,
but
just
maybe
this
time,
they've
pulled
it
off.
In
a
newly
confident
nation,
the
channel
seems
been
afraid
to
mix
the
old
and
kuthi
with
the
utterly
new
sex
race
music
in
a
way
in
which
they
mostly
blend
in
Scotland
herself,
there
was
much
riding
on
new
drama
guilt.
They
fit
that
bill,
one
that
cigar
can
swagger
off
with
some
candy
floss.
So
in
summary,
a
20-19
has
been
a
landmark
year
for
the
BBC
in
scotland
and
it's
one
of
which
we're
very
proud.
Thank
you.
A
You
very
much
to
Delta,
MacKinnon
and
you've
covered
a
number
of
issues
that
I
know
that
some
members
will
wish
to
ask
you
more
questions
on
I'd
like
to
open
by
and
asking
you
about
the
issues
to
do
with
equal
P,
which
have
obviously
been
very
much
in
the
news
this
week
and
with
regards
to
this
Sumida
army.
It's
a
case.
Obviously
you're
not
going
to
talk
about
that
case.
I
understand
it.
A
It's
going
to
conclude
today
and
but
I'm
interested
in
the
the
non-celebrity
woman
in
the
BBC
who
are
affected
by
this,
and
particularly
obviously
in
BBC
Scotland.
So
could
you
tell,
could
you
tell
me
perhaps
how
many
equal
P
cases
have
been
raised
in
BBC
Scotland?
How
many
are
progressing
and
how
many
have
been
taken
to
formal
grievance.
B
So
I
think
we
mentioned
last
year
when
we
were
here
and
unbuffered
who
accompanied
me
mentioned
that
we
had
12
outstanding,
equal
P
cases
in
BBC
Scotland.
At
that
time,
I
can
say
that
you
know
we
have
been
dealing
with
these
equal
pay
cases,
and
indeed
many
other
pay
inquiries
over
the
course
of
the
last
two
years
and
in
particular
this
last
year
and
I
have
to
admit
that
I
think
the
process
has
taken
too
long.
B
I
think
it's
been
a
bruising
experience
for
those
who
have
been
involved
in
ETSU
of
who
have
raised
queries
about
about
their
pay
and
I
thoroughly
regret
that
we
are
doing
a
Beth
and
Glen
can
talk
more
about
the
detail
of
the
actual
processes
printplace
to
deal
with
these
cases
to
examine
them
thoroughly.
That
can
take
time
because
you
can
be
dealing
with
some
pay
cases
that
go
back
decades,
but
nevertheless,
I
do
think
that
you
know
we
are
intent
on
on
on
fixing
this
situation.
It's
not
good
enough.
B
A
C
Might
be
helpful
if
I
talk
from
Pam
vb6
as
a
Pam
BBC
issue
that
we're
addressing
and
the
process
is,
is
Pam
BBC
as
well.
We've
been
through
substantial
change
around
how
we
have
a
a
framework
for
individuals
across
the
BBC.
It's
there
to
ensure
transparency,
fairness,
competitive
pay
for
people,
and
there
was
Lenny
o
report
earlier
this
year,
which
recognized
the
substantial
achievement
in
getting
those
frameworks
in
place.
C
So
people
now
understand
where
they
individually
sit
within
a
market
informed
pay
range,
inevitably
that
level
of
transparency
of
people
has
enabled
them
to
raise
a
level
of
queries
and
we've
encouraged
those
quote
so
that
people
on
some
where
they
sit
it's
across
the
BBC
we've
had
some
1,300
pay
queries
where
people
want
to
understand
where
and
where
they
sit
within
a
band
and
what
that
means
for
them.
Some
of
those
small
portion
of
based
on
equal
pay,
but
a
large
majority
is
a
check-in
to
see
what
there
is.
The
process
has
been
very
robust.
C
It
starts
for
most
people
in
an
informal
way
where
they
can
check
and
raise
that
queer
with
somebody
HR
department
and
then
register
it
in
a
more
formal
way.
Most
of
them
are
dealt
with
quite
quickly,
but
some
of
them
as
Danelle
says,
have
have
queries
that
run
over
many
years
and
require
some
deep
HR
archaeology
to
get
the
bottom
of
people's
issues
and
queries,
and
we
do
that.
We've
put
substantial
resource
into
resolving
these
issues.
C
We
have
dedicated
case
managers,
we've
also
last
six
months
and
put
people
in
dedicated
roles
as
hearing
managers
rather
than
doing
as
part
of
their
day
job.
So
we've
made
progress
across
the
BBC.
We
now
have
only
for
informal
cases
left
to
resolve,
and
then
we
have
a
number
of
cases
which
are
in
the
form
process,
which
is
less
than
60
right.
C
A
You
talked
about
therapy
and
you
obviously
you
understand
in
terms
of
you
know:
employment
law,
there's
a
difference
between
equal
P
and
fear
P,
so
how
many
of
those
cases
have
been
resolved
that
have
been
resolved
have
been
resolved
on
the
basis
of
are
treated
as
equal
pay
cases,
as
opposed
to
fear
pay
cases?
And
perhaps
you
would
like
to
tell
us
what
the
difference
is
between
the
two.
So.
C
Equal
pay
is
set
out
in
legislation
that
calls
outs
of
2010
and
ensures
that
pay
is
reasonable,
equivalent
for
jobs
of
the
same
value
and
can't
differentiate
on
the
basis
of
gender.
That
doesn't
mean
that
people
are
paid
the
same
rate
for
any
a
particular
job
rates
can
differ
because
of
market
factors,
whether
based
on
locality
or
they
can
difficult
of
skills
and
experience.
So
there's
a
range
of
of
pay
because
of
that
the
vast
majority
are
issues
of
fair
pay
and,
as
I
said,
that's
based
on
the
unprecedented
level
of
transparency.
C
A
You,
but
you
know,
I've
spoken
to
make,
have
guests
that
have
spoken
to
people
who
are
affected
by
this
I'm
understanding
is
that
you
know
you're
treating
cases
as
as
fear
P
instead
of
equal
P.
When
it's
an
equal
pay
case.
There
is
a
meal
comparator
and
a
fear.
P
case,
it's
a
as
you.
You
see
it's
a
particular
band
and
an
idea
of
of
similar
jobs
and
the
difference
between
equal
P
and
fear.
P.
A
Is
that,
if
an
ich,
if
you
treat
it
as
equal
P,
then
you
have
to
give
backdated
and
recompense
if
it's
phone
to
be
an
equal
P
case
and
there's
concern,
certainly
amongst
the
people
that
I
have
spoken
to
that.
You're,
not
cheating
enough
of
these
cases
as
equal
P
cases
and
and
the
dates
are
loaded
against
the
woman,
because
also
the
BBC
are
employing
HR
specialists
and
lawyers
to
deal
with
us
and
the
woman
fighting
the
cases.
Don't
have
that
advantage
where.
C
C
They
have
the
casting
vote
in
the
conclusion
of
those
cases
and
we
have
a
process
in
place
which
was
agreed
with
our
unions
and
clearly
I
think
we
we
would
stand
behind
the
robust
process
we
have
and
that
sort
of
set
out
and
how
we've
communicated
with
people,
and
we
do
the
best
we
can
to
conclude
those
cases
at
pace.
How.
C
A
Right,
okay
and
my
understanding
also
is
that
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
are
what
you
call
rates
are
called
within
the
BBC.
That
means
they've
been
moved
from
other
jobs,
perhaps
they've
been
moved,
sideways
or
they've
been
moved
and
they've
actually
been
demoted
as
part
of
our
management
restructuring
and
they're.
There
P
is
his
red
circle
took,
it
can't
be
touched
and
that's
causing
quite
a
lot
of
difficulty
in
terms
of
these
equal
P
cases.
How
many
of
these
red
circle
people
are
meal?
We.
C
Have
just
said
just
to
talk
a
little
now
to
give
some
background
around
the
marking
form
pay
ranges
we
have
so
we
went
from
a
position
of
the
BBC
where
we
had
six
thousand
job
roles
across
the
BBC.
We
did
a
very
thorough
process
in
looking
at
how
people
map
into
particular
role
and
particular
pay
ranges
and
reduce
that
number
down
to
600,
so
everybody's
clear,
where
they
sit
and
what
job
grade
they
sit
within.
C
A
D
A
C
E
Clear
beaker,
M,
Thank,
You
convener
apologist
have
been
deleted
this
morning
and
since
the
last
time
BBC
were
in
front
of
the
committee.
The
new
channel
has
been
launched
and
although
it's
early
days,
the
reported
12
million
expenditure
spent
I
understand,
which
I
have
a
breakdown
of
that
at
the
moment.
But
it
can
become
an
indication
as
possible
of
how
and
that
revenue
has
been
Spain
and
what
areas
are
the
priorities
for
the
channel.
So.
B
F
Well,
as
I
say,
the
channel
itself
was
launched
to
be
multi-genre,
so
everything
from
sport
to
drama
and
documentary
and
have
some
percentages
of
highlights
as
broken
dines.
But
20%
sports
I
think
the
scripted
drama
budgets
about
20%
as
well
documentaries
about
that
as
well.
So
we
set
it
to
provide
a
full
service
to
the
people
of
Scotland
and
that's
what
we
hope
we
have
delivered.
E
Should
I
pick
comment
on
their
hospitals
have
been
some
news
coverage
or
viewing
figures
has
been
the
issue
that
some
of
the
donors
have
picked
up
on
and
looking
at
some
of
the
reports.
There's
positive
reports
around
young
people
be
more
engaged
with
channel
and
that
are
I
mean
which
approaches
the
challenges
with.
Firstly,
measuring
by
viewing
figures,
you
have
any
comments
on
how
that
is
determined
and
how
that
relates
to
maybe
online
viewing
and
what
the
expectations?
How
do
we
measure
the
success
of
the
channel?
How
important
is
viewing
figures
to
that?
So.
B
It's
fear
is
above
the
Ofcom
target
that
we
were
set
and
we
are
definitely
seeing
a
pickup
in
younger
younger
audiences
and
in
fact,
it's
improving
the
performance
of
the
whole
BBC
portfolio,
because
it
is
attracting
younger
audiences.
In
a
way
we
could
say
you
know
it's
challenging
other
other
services
in.
F
Linear
TV
terms,
it's
a
success,
so
it's
the
biggest
digital
channel
in
Scotland
from
a
standing
start.
You
know
greater
reach
as
and
when
two
people
cheating
in
each
week
done
household
names,
efore
sky,
one
that
have
been
long
established
and
very
significant
marketing
budgets.
Siddartha
says
the
overnights
are
part
of
the
story,
but
even
there
you
know,
a
channel
share
of
2.4%
is
significant
for
a
digital
channel.
Again,
it's
bigger
doubler,
more
than
other
household
name,
digital
channels.
F
Quite
regularly
some
nights
of
the
week
we
are
like
performing
channel
5
channel
4,
BBC
2,
but
the
channel
itself
wasn't
set
up
just
to
cheers
mass
audiences.
As
Donalda
says
it
was.
How
can
we
expand
our
offer
to
hard
to
reach
audiences?
You
know
people
who
don't
consume
a
lot
of
BBC
TV.
So
when
our
first
two
quarters
were
very
pleased
to
see
the
fact
that
the
channel
has
the
youngest
age
profile
of
a
BBC
television
channel
and
then
within
that
there's
a
specific
thing
called
unique
reach
less
than
2%
knowing.
F
But
those
are
young
people
who
do
not
consume
any
other.
Bbc
television
in
peak
are
watching
this
channel
and
again
it's
a
digital
channel
and
that
those
are
not
those
were.
People
haven't,
make
a
conscious
decision
to
switch
around
the
dial
to
find
us,
there's
not
a
lot
of
casual
grazing
sort
of
passing
trade
and
in
the
digital
world
and
then,
as
the
now
dimension.
In
our
opening
remarks,
the
linear
story
is
only
part
of
it.
F
So
I
think
one
of
the
real
big
significant
moves
this
year
has
been
iPlayer
consumption,
so
the
channel
was
long.
So
has
a
specific
space
on
iPlayer
and
we've
seen
I
mean
if
this
would
be
ahead
of
our
own
projections.
110
percent
growth
in
requested
via
BBC
Scotland
Commission
content
this
year,
that's
more
than
15
million
requests
of
you.
So
that's
obviously,
audiences
and
Scotland
consuming
this
new
content,
but
obviously
audiences
are
kinda.
You,
okay
as
well,
so
we
think
that's
another
reason:
we,
the
channel,
is
adding
value
to
the
BBC
portfolio
as
a
whole.
G
E
There
is
a
it
was
one
of
the
ambitions
for
the
channel
was
to
increase
the
amount
of
news
output,
that's
specific
to
Scotland,
and
the
name
is
the
vehicle
and
to
deliver
that
there
is
a
it's
a
fairly
significant
budget
that
goes
to
the
name,
and
there
have
been
some
issues
around
human
figures
on
particular
to
news.
If
you
ever
see
a
bit
more
about
how
you
see
that
program
or
the
news
offer
developing
and
as
their
reason,
which
the
channel
interacts
with
other
Elyas
of
BBC,
you
offer
how
do
those
interact
with
each
other?
E
B
So
we
wanted
to
make
it
quite
distinctive
I
think
it's
journalism
has
proven
itself
in
in
in
many
many
ways
you
asked
the
question
about
whether
or
not
other
services
benefit
from
its
journalism
and
they
do
regularly
network
services,
as
well
as
our
own
local
services,
whether
that's
radio
or
online,
or
indeed
our
social
media
platforms.
So
I
yeah,
I'm,
very,
very.
E
B
B
Long
read
and
these
stories
regularly
appear
on
TMS
from
reporting,
Scott,
Meister,
said
and
social
media
and
pleased
to
see
that
you
know
gene
Mackenzie
and
who
is
there.
Europe
correspondent
has
just
been
nominated
for
the
British
journalist
award
in
the
Foreign
Affairs
category,
so
I
I.
Just
think
that
you
know
there
are
a
lot.
There
are
lots
of
attended
benefits
to
this
and
I
think
the
reputation
in
terms
of
quality.
Of
that
news,
offering
is
say
it
speaks
for
itself
and.
E
B
That
that
MOU
has
has
reaped
many
rewards,
hopefully
a
number
one
for
audiences,
but
also
for
the
industry
in
Scotland
and
through
their
their
funding.
We
have
been
able
to
secure,
for
example,
most
recent
transmission
currently
on
air
and
the
connect
comedy
drama
guilt
which
benefited
from
a
screen
Scotland
a
funding
and
allowed
us
then
to
leverage
other
funding
from
other
parts
of
VEC
to
deliver
that
other
project
Sektor.
Yes,.
F
Sir
co-investing,
with
screen
Scotland
across
a
range
of
genres,
they
have
money
invested
with
independent
suppliers
generating
new
factual
formats
that
potentially
have
international
appeal,
and
you
know
we
could
hopefully
end
up
commissioning
them
for
several
series.
So
they're
investing
with
us
across
the
whole
range
of
genres,
but
I
think
guilt
is
probably
the
most
prominent
example.
E
A
basis
was
an
acquisitive
inquiry
into
film
and
then
film
institute
in
Scotland
and
Luke
to
screen
Scotland
and
create
Scotland.
There
was
a
push
for
Clinton
data,
and
so
we
could
measure
for
the
Bennett
fires.
Beam.
Do
you
know
is
that
our
Eugene
networkers
create
Scotland
work
in
terms
of
the
input
they
put
into
PPC
in
terms
of
genifique
and
Scottish
production
and
jobs.
Wasn't
likely
of
sex
once
got
London
so.
B
H
Morning,
turning
to
issues
of
regulatory
compliance,
I
know
that
off
comes
2018
report
highlights
as
a
number
of
issues
that
it
felt
the
BBC
needed
to
address
and,
more
recently,
in
terms
of
some
frustration
about
the
lack
of
any
clear
plan
that
could
therefore
be
easily
as
ice
in
terms
of
progress.
I
believe
Ofcom
has
now
risen
to
the
director-general
of
the
BBC
to
ask
that
the
next
annular
coin
sighted
clear
plan
for
making
tracking
progress
with
March
2020.
B
B
C
I
can,
as
some
of
that
I
mean
respect.
We
welcome
Ofcom's
report.
They
recognize
many
of
the
issues
that
we've
been
calling
out
for
a
period
of
time,
specifically
around
the
changing
media
landscape
and
the
difficulty
for
all
public
service
broadcasters,
commercial
and
non-commercial.
In
reaching
young
audiences.
C
We've
invested
heavily
in
iPlayer
and
we
had
to
go
through
a
public
interest
test
with
Ofcom
to
ensure
that
that
didn't
have
a
market
impact
that
took
a
period
of
time
but
and
concluded
over
the
summer
and
we've
also
launched
BBC
sounds,
and
this
has
potential
benefit
for
BBC
Scotland
content
in
the
future,
as
does
iPlayer,
because
the
Scotland
Channel
plays
out
on
iPlayer
as
well
as
on
digital
terrestrial
television,
and
we
have
invested
in
news
online.
So
that's
our
ambition
to
reach
more
of
those
youth
audiences
and
the
success
across
that.
C
So
iPlayer
has
grown
20%
year-on-year
with
young
audiences
in
the
UK.
Bbc
sounds
now
reaches
2.6
million
adults
across
the
UK
and
news
online.
Its
new
young
figures
have
gone
up
26%
year-on-year,
but
there's
more
to
do
and
we'd
like
to
do
more
and
to
accept
we're
constrained
by
our
funding,
we're
going
through
a
period
of
tighter
financial
funding
as
the
government
withdrawal
of
over
seventy
five
licenses
and
the
step
down
of
that
over
a
three-year
period
means
we
do.
C
We
are
dealing
with
the
drop
in
income,
so
prioritizing
investment
in
these
areas
is
hard-fought
and
part
of
that
investment
is,
you
know,
I'm
sure,
coming
to
it
has
gone
into
BBC,
Scotland
and
creative
investment
here.
So
we
welcome
the
report
and
we
accept
those
challenging.
We
acknowledge
that
you
know
those
are
some
of
the
challenges
for
us.
C
H
B
Proper
portrayal
of
Scotland
on
on
our
network
channels,
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
you
know
we
are
already
beginning
to
see,
and
that
won't
be
clear
until
probably
next
years
and
the
report
and
accounts
that
some
of
these
general
impression
scores
are
being
shifted.
Their
small
increases,
but
nevertheless
I
think
that's.
That
gives
me
some
optimism
that
that
some
of
the
interventions
that
we
put
in
place
are
beginning
to
take
effect.
B
The
fact
that
we
have
so
much
more
content
representing
Scotland
available
on
the
iclear
and
to
Steve's
point
about
consumption
via
iPlayer,
going
up
by
100
percent
across
the
UK,
admittedly,
but
that
that
also
I
think
helps
just
in
terms
of
of
improving
these
perceptions
that
people
have
in
Scotland
of
what
the
BBC
serves
up
to
them.
The
truth
of
the
matter
is,
and
ordinances
of
Scotland
have
always
traditionally
been
high
consumers
of
BBC
content
and
although
the
numbers
have
fallen
a
bit
over
the
past
few
years,
she's
still
pretty
robust.
C
Eight
percent
increase,
which
takes
us
to
a
point
where
were
now
spending
a
higher
proportion
of
Scotland
license
fee
in
Scotland,
a
record
high,
and
you
know
aiming
to
do
more
in
that
area
and
when
we
have
a
full
year
of
reporting
of
the
Scotland
Channel,
that
percentage
will
increase.
So
we
will
set
out
more
of
those
plans
in
our
annual
report
and
working
with
the
rest
of
the
executive
team
and
BBC
Scotland
team
next
year,
but
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
It's
been
a
key
priority
to
invest
in
Scotland.
That
has
been
happening
well.
H
Thank
you
for
that,
and
certainly
on
the
point
that
you
make
about
the
percentage
spend
in
terms
of
money
raised
in
Scotland
and
spend
in
Scotland
I
think
it's
now
about
80%
according
to
your
figures,
but
of
course,
that's
considerably
lower
than
other
parts.
Other
nations
of
the
UK,
but
in
terms
of
the
lower
satisfaction
levels,
I
mean
I.
It
appears
looking
at
it
from
the
outside
that
there's
actually
a
lack
of
public
trust
or
a
decline
in
public
trust
and,
of
course,
in
terms
of
commentary
on
old
platforms.
H
B
B
A
figure
for
the
BBC's
but
70%
of
adults
in
Scotland
and
think
the
BBC
is
effective
in
informing
educating
and
entertaining
people
in
the
UK.
So
that's
and
that's
in
the
annual
report
encounters
this
year
and
and
54
percent
of
adults
in
Scotland
I
think
the
BBC's
effective
at
reflecting
people
like
them.
B
Eighty
percent
of
elves
in
Scotland
and
TV
homes,
who
won't
watch
BBC
TV
every
week,
and
so
these
are
just
some
of
the
statistics
that
that
don't
necessarily
be
there
some
of
the
perceptions.
That
is
not
to
say
that
I,
don't
understand.
I,
don't
accept
that
there
are
perceptions
that
that
somehow
we
are
impartial,
I
refute
that
wholeheartedly.
I
Just
have
a
brief
supplementary
I'm
at
that
point
it
was
raised
between
me
this
morning.
Actually
just
before
I
came
in
here,
the
BBC
might
be
suspending
the
Wednesday
afternoon.
Politics
Scotland
coverage
of
what
goes
on
ms
Parmenter
for
the
course
of
the
election
campaign.
I'm
just
wondering
whether
if
you
could
confirm
whether
or
not
that's
the
case.
D
I
A
G
Comment
I
mean
if
you
did
go
down
that
route
of
suspending
coverage
of
the
Holyrood
Parliament
here.
Well,
the
Westminster
elections
are
surely
to
be
fair
and
it
you
would,
and
when
this
Parliament
er
has
an
election
you'd
suspend
coverage,
Westminster
wounded,
or
would
that
be
ridiculous?
Wouldn't
it
be
ridiculous?
I
think
it
probably
would
be
it.
B
A
D
Was
just
a
supplementary
on
animal
use?
Question
about
the
impressions
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
a
10%
differential
between
Scotland,
the
rest
of
UK,
so
we
have
64
percent
of
UK
adults,
have
a
favorable
overall
impression
compared
to
52
percent
in
Scotland,
and
then
a
50
percent
of
all
UK
adults
think
that
the
BBC
broadcasts
a
good
range
programs
compared
to
39%
in
Scotland.
That
I
think
that's
quite
a
significant
difference
and
I
just
want
to
explore
a
little
bit
further.
Why
why
you
think
that's
the
case?
D
B
So
I
I
do
think
it
I
mean
BBC,
one
is
still
the
most
consumed
BBC
service
and
if
you
consider
you
know
what,
where
we
have
been
in
Scotland's,
first
BBC
one
is
concerned:
undie
BBC,
two
prior
to
the
launch
of
our
new
channel
and
we've
been
in
opting
out
of
BBC
one
with
Scotland
only
content
and
then
on
BBC
one.
Sometimes
they
will
sit
of
course,
network
content
made
in
Scotland
for
the
whole
of
the
UK,
and
my
own
personal
view
is
because
there
is
so
much
volume
around
that
content.
B
B
People
have
arguably
more
choice
now
of
media
than
than
ever
before.
So
I
think
the
volume
question
is
really
important.
Quality
also
is
really
important.
I
think
Scotland
is
a
nation
of
Regents
I
think
there
are
different
cultures
within
Scotland,
which
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
represent
better
than
we
do
and
I
think
we
are
really
trying
to
do
that
with
a
new
service
and
and
the
fact
that
we
have
that
landscape
on
which
to
operate.
B
Know
alongside
what
BBC
alpha
has
very
successfully
done
for
ten
years,
I
think
does
give
us
a
real
opportunity
and
then,
as
consumption,
habits,
change
and
people
move
off,
not
sure
that
we
will
ever
lose
the
appetite
for
live
television
particularly
around
in
events
but
I.
Think
as
we
move
to
more
consumption
via
other
means
and
catch-up
and
etc.
There
I
think
that
volume
question
the
fact
that
it's
easier
to
find.
That
was
that
that's
another
been
another
for
us.
B
We
have
made
some
brilliant
content
over
the
years,
but
sometimes
people
were
failing
to
find
I
think
we
have
a
much
better
way
now
and
in
fact,
one
team.
Big
elements
in
Steve's
team
is
looking
very
hard
at
content
discovery
and
we're
trying
to
make
it
easier
for
people
people,
particularly
in
Scotland,
to
find
some
of
the
great
content
that
we're
creating
good.
G
F
Approval
gap
is
always
top
of
mind
for
us.
You
know:
consumption
as
dancers
in
Scotland's,
actually
higher
I
think
is
still
12%
higher
than
the
rest
UK,
but
but
people
value
the
BBC
less.
There
are
some
green
shoots,
but
they're,
not
I,
think
our
own
figures
and
some
off
calm
show
with
that.
It's
Nelda
said
the
70%
of
adults.
You
think
the
BBC
is
effective
in
informing
educating
and
entertaining
people.
F
That's
slightly
up,
I
think
a
noble
metric
we
do,
and
particularly
the
channel
look
closely
at,
is
some
people
who
feel
the
BBC
beauty
skeletons
for
people
like
them.
That's
taking
up,
which
is
54%
and
again
that's
not
a
full
year
of
the
channel.
I
think
that
idea
of
you
know
people
feeling
that
their
place
is
represented
is
important.
So
within
BBC
Scotland
we
have
a
very
concerted
effort
to
get
out
of
Glasgow
I
think
on
the
channel.
F
You
can
hopefully
change
perceptions
through
content
and
I.
Think
as
we
saw
potentially
at
the
BAFTAs.
You
know
people
are
beginning
to
receive
our
content
well,
but
that
general
impression
the
BBC
score
is
affected
by
so
many
other
things.
So
the
over
75
says
sheet,
for
example,
can
just
come
along,
but
you
know
I
think
through
the
content,
delicious
we've
done
the
investment.
We
have
the
new
services,
helping
people
get
that
content
more
easily.
B
But
also
I
think
it's
true
to
say
that
that
audience
in
Scotland
also
wish
to
see
their
realities,
reflected
on
network
services
across
the
whole
of
the
UK
and
what
we
have
been
able
to
do,
and
we
have
seen
a
lot
more
of
is
collaborating
with
our
network.
Colleagues
of
some
of
many
of
the
Commission's
that
stevis
made
will
find
their
way
onto
network
platforms
and
critically
important
for
us.
G
Very
much
convener
before
I
ask
my
question.
I
would
say
glad
to
confirm
in
my
view,
certainly
the
PPC
I
think
that
most
people
would
agree
is
there
is
the
most
trusted
source
of
news
that
we
have,
and
certainly
from
my
view,
but
I
am
going
to
concentrate
my
questions
on
new
productions
and
in
your
introductory
remarks
that
you
said
you
work
with.
Excuse
me
about
80
independent
production
companies.
First
of
all,
could
you
tell
me
how
many
of
those
are
Scottish
based
or
Scottish
production
companies?
G
B
G
F
Team,
the
energy
production
team
of
BBC
Scotland
serves
radio
digital
production,
obviously
the
orchestra's
and
some
TV
elements
where
they
tie
into
another
offers
who,
for
example,
breaking
the
news,
is
a
very
successful
Radio
Scotland
program.
We
put
some
additional
investment
into
it.
It's
not
a
television
programme
for
a
channel
and
also
successful
podcast
mm-hmm.
F
Absolutely
it's
absolutely
in
the
DNA
of
all
our
services,
and
we
felt
the
new
channel
again
was
an
opportunity
to
take
risks,
bring
people
through.
We
have
a
whole
host
of
initiatives
for
want
of
a
better
word
from
the
writers
room
to
develop
new
writers.
We've
just
launched
an
AI
player
two
weeks
ago,
some
drama
shorts
group
funded
by
Screen
Scotland,
and
we
have
a
new,
first-time
directors
strand
on
the
channel,
which
is
commissioned.
That's
about
six
films.
F
A
year
within
the
past
week,
we've
had
two
pieces
made
by
production
companies
that
are
new
to
television.
Our
view
from
the
terrace
and
another
show
called
Arctic
Academy
about
young
people's
from
Bathgate
Academy,
going
to
the
Arctic
that's
made
by
a
company
that
had
done
corporates
and
an
advertising,
but
I.
You
know
we're
new
to
broadcasting.
It's
a
key
part
of
what
we're
doing
we'd
set
out
there
to
take
risks
to
give
people
a
chance
and
I
think
a
digital
channel.
It
can
give
you
the
space
to
do
that.
B
G
B
J
You
convene
it
can
I
ask
to
start
with
about
BBC
Alba
and
as
we
discussed
last
year
and
when
you
were
hidden
Alda,
it
celebrated
its
tenth
anniversary
and
there
was
an
increase
in
some
of
the
the
programming
specifically
around
the
news
and
current
affairs,
leisure
and
some
of
the
recreational
side
of
things.
But
we
did
note
that
there
was
some
decrease
in
education
and
in
the
children
channels
and
in
children's
programming.
That
was
part
of
that
and
last
year
you
did
give
us
an
indication
that
there
was
to
be
some
investment
in
that.
J
And
we've
heard
this
one
morning
about
the
investments
going
across
the
piece
and
that's
to
be
very
much
welcomed.
So
can
I
ask
with
that
decrease
in
the
education
and
children's
programming
on
the
channel,
how
the
BBC
intend
to
engage
with
younger
viewers
and
younger
audience
about
the
content.
So.
B
Young
road
is
important
to
us
across
the
piece,
but
no
more
important
than
then
on
BBC
alpha
and
particularly
what
we
do
with
around
children
and
I.
Think
what
we're
looking
at
in
this
year's
annual
reporting
accounts
is
a
six
month
picture.
So
in
at
the
10th
time
of
the
10th
anniversary
last
year,
it
was
decided
that
we
would
change
the
mix
of
programming
to
reprioritize
towards
more
children's
programs.
B
We
combined
forces
with
their
colleagues
and
suffered
to
create
or
to
exploit
our
two
iconic
children's
brand,
CBeebies
and
CBBC,
and
to
use
some
of
the
iconography
and
the
infrastructure
around
these
brands
to
form
galaxies
of
them.
So
the
choice
was
then,
and
do
we
invest
in
origination,
which
is
what
we
have
done
decided
to
do
and
probably
pull
back
a
little
bit
on
versioned
animation,
for
example.
B
So,
and
a
new
approach
has
been
taken
towards
to
improve
program
aimed
at
the
CBeebies
audience
and
the
CBBC
because
of
the
way
we
categorize
what
we
report,
we
don't
actually
count
the
errors
of
what
are
described
as
continuity.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
particularly
appropriate
em
description,
because
continuity
elements
are
envisioned
and
they're
very
much
an
integral
part
of
the
entire
offering
of
children's
programs
for
our
galaxy
King,
youngsters
very
much
about
engaging
with
personalities,
on-screen
and
not
that
they're
not
just
announcing
they're,
not
just
an
interstitial
and
instruments.
B
They
are
very
much
part
of
the
overall
offering
so
they
will
evolve,
makes,
for
example,
creating
stuff.
They
will
involve
a
birthday
slot.
They
will
involve
engaging
with
young
younger
young
gal,
expecting
children,
but
they
will
come
onto
set.
In
fact,
I
I
was
down
visiting
the
say
it's
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
witnessed
that
for
myself,
so
I
think
it
is
unfortunate
that
we're
not
able
to
capture
that,
but
that
is
roughly
about
26
hours
that
that
I
think
is
in
an
aesthetic
somewhere
in
the
annual
report.
B
But
and
maybe
at
some
point,
we
will
be
able
to
report
that
as
a
true
reflection
of
what
we've
done.
So
we
have
we
prioritized
in
origination,
which
is
actually
a
part
of
the
overall
BBC
strategy.
As
far
as
children
is
concerned,
because
very
few
other
people
are
originating
children's
content
and
as
far
as
say,
other
children
suppliers
are
concerned
and.
J
B
J
It's
all
about
image,
because
you
have
you
have
that
perception
as
to
what
you're
trying
to
achieve
your
audience.
Have
that
perception
and
as
we've
heard
there
are
some
views
and
opinions
about
how
realistic
that
is
in
Scotland
compared
to
other,
perhaps
United
Kingdom.
So
when
you're
trying
to
get
that
balance
together
to
ensure
that
you
have
that
strategy
in
place
that
does
engage
with
the
audience
and
the
community
you're
trying
to
achieve.
It
would
appear
that
Scotland's
not
making
that
quite
as
yet
at
the
level
that
you'd
like
to
achieve.
B
F
Our
consumption
of
self
tends
to
be
to'd
of
younger
student
under
55,
just
still
young
and
broadcast
and
encouraging
terms
of
collaborations
with
Alba
for
young
audiences.
We
this
summer
collaborated
on
transmits
and
Bella
drama,
took
my
hat's
off
to
production,
team
and
Bella
drama
broadcast
in
garlic
and
in
switch
services
and
began
to
broadcast
in
English
all
evening.
F
You
can
attract
all
the
young
audiences
through
sports,
organic
collaboration
on
the
Women's,
World,
Cup,
BBC,
Sport,
LD,
overall
rights
and
then
work
together
to
facilitate
BBC
al
but
being
able
to
cover
the
Scottish
home
matches
there.
So
we
are
seeing
the
fruits
of
that
collaboration
on
screen
and
young
audiences
are
absolutely
key
to
the
strategy.
But
all
audiences
are
key:
I
mean
there's
a
universal
license
fee
we're
very
mindful
of
them
and
as
Donalda
said
we,
you
know
you
can
target
young
audiences
with
specific
programs
for
them,
and
we
do.
We
have.
F
You
know
key
post,
11
o'clock
programs,
but
you
know
I,
think
young
people
look
for
authenticity
and
quality,
so
they'll
go
to
still
gain
because
they
recognise
that's
that's
true
to
itself.
It
will
go
to
River
City
they'll
go
to
inside
Central
Station.
You
know,
you
know,
sort
of
a
documentary
series
of
a
public
transport,
big
audiences
and
channel
and
a
young
skew
thank.
J
A
D
K
You
can
be
enough
naked
Molly
panel,
just
a
few
questions.
First
of
all,
on
the
issue
of
the
the
funding
mister,
should
we
tell
or
a
new
comment
attorney
said
that
funding
is
getting
tighter
and
and
on
your
report.
It
talks
about
the
funding
for
the
red
button
online
services,
I'm
sort
of
at
3
million
pounds
with
red
button
service
to
stop
and
all
that
have
an
effect
upon
upon
the
budget
for
BBC
Scotland.
C
C
No
say
perhaps
fact
I've
explained
a
little
bit
around
UK
TV,
so
the
BBC
has
a
commercial
subsidiary
called
BBC
studios
for
a
period
of
time,
it's
in
partnership
and
it
owned
50%
of
UK
TV
channels,
along
with
discovery.
We
conclude
the
deal
last
year
where
Busey
studio
subsidiary
used
some
of
its
borrowing
capacity
to
acquire
the
other
half
of
UK
TV,
so
that
it
had
a
place
that
he
could
use
and
fold
on
its
kind
of
programming
across
a
advertising
cell.
C
So
it's
meant
to
be
a
deal
that
makes
it
easier
to
use
our
rights
in
the
UK
bring
in
additional
revenue
for
the
BBC
in
the
long
term.
So
it's
value
are
creative
in
that
respect,
so
the
additional
profits
that
it
generates
through
that,
through
the
synergies
of
ownership,
will
accrue
back
to
the
broader
BBC
financial
port
in
terms
of
dividends
and
increased
profits
through
BBC
Studios.
So
it's
meant
to
be
an
opportunity
to
help
us
increase
our
investment.
So
as
our
license
fee
income
reduces
the
result.
C
C
Don't
think
so,
no
I
hope
not
I
mean
we
took
the
decision
because
of
the
size
of
organization.
Like
many
organisations,
they
tend
to
report
to
that
level
of
detail
in
round
Millions,
rather
than
having
long
numbers
in
thousands
wearing
through
the
report
and
as
you
source
a
is
quite
a
long
report.
So
it
was
more
around
providing
clarity
and
easy-to-read
report
for
people
who
look
at
our
on
your
port
rather
than
significantly
trying
to
reduce
information
in
depth.
News.
C
K
B
Believe
we
are
making
some
content
around
that,
but
that
that
that
will
not
count
as
a
Scotland
production.
However,
we're
delighted
that
Sports
Personality
of
the
year
is
going
to
be
in
Aberdeen,
and
you
know,
like
other
programs
which
we've
discussed
at
this
committee
before
they
will
not
qualify
as
as
spend
BBC
spend
in
Scotland,
but
nevertheless
it
is
being
in
Scotland.
They
don't
qualify
under
the
Ofcom
criteria.
That's
what
hey
what
I
mean,
but
it's
certainly
a
very
welcome
addition
to
what
we
are
doing.
K
And
last
year,
and
in
this
session,
Steve
Morrison
spoke
about
the
casualty
doctor,
who
and
also
Sherlock
and
with
both
Cardiff
being
considered
to
be
a
cancer
federal
center
for
for
production,
with
the
with
a
new
BBC
Scotland
Channel
method,
new
investment
that
a
scheming
over
the
last
name
on
so
saw
and
to
Scotland.
It's
not
any
opportunity
for
for
Scotland
to
have
will
become
a
bit
more
of
a
of
a
stronger
center
in
terms
of
in
the
weight
of
programs.
For
the
for
the
way.
Do
you
care
network.
F
Yes
and
I
think
we're
already
seeing
some
some
signs
of
that
Scotland,
the
in-house
production
model
per
se,
previously,
eight
specializations
in
arts
and
science
and
on
the
factual
side,
and
not
that
continues
to
be
strong
in
terms
of
the
channel.
The
channel
budget
was
set
with
a
two
million
pound
target
within
it
to
bring
in
external
revenue
from
other
sources,
an
actual
fact
over
the
past
I
think
it's
eighteen
months
or
so
we
brought
in
6.3
million
into
budgets
from
other
sources.
That's
other
parts
of
the
BBC.
F
Obviously
the
relationship
with
screen
Scotland's
other
broadcasters
distribution
deals
platforms
like
like
Netflix,
for
example.
So
that's
a
big
part
of
the
strategy
in
order
to
deliver
the
best
possible
quality
service
to
Scotland.
We
need
other
funding
and
other
funders,
and
we
proactively
gone
for
that
I
think
guild,
which
is
on
air
and
I
co-founded.
Buyer
sales
screen
Scotland's
BBC
two
is
a
good
example
of
that
on
the
factual
space
for
and
I
getting
coal
Commission
investments
in
titles,
like
murder
case,
which
is
run
successfully
on
both
the
channel
on
BBC
two.
F
K
Maybe
that
seven
sounds
positive,
but
also
just
in
terms
of
the
dish
link
America
clearly
in
terms
of
Scotland,
although
the
figure
has
increased,
but
it
is
still
just
80
percent
or
third
in
terms
of
the
income
versus
the
expenditure
in
Scotland.
Also,
we
also
ninety
seven
point.
Two
northern
I
don't
need
a
six
point:
nine
and
England
also
sex.
The
nine
point,
two
so
clearly:
progress
out
and
Mead,
but
you'd
anticipate
that
eighty
percent
leg
up
to
to
increase
or
the
course
of
the
next
12
months
pick.
C
That
up,
we
expect
that
in
our
next
set
of
annual
accounts,
which
published
next
year,
there
will
be
an
increase
from
eighty
percent
this
year
and,
as
I
said
before,
that
will
reflect
the
full
year
operation
of
BBC
Scotland
channel.
Our
desire
is
over
the
long
term
to
try
and
improve
that,
but,
as
my
colleague
Steve
Morris
and
I
think
mentioned
and
explained
last
year,
the
percentages
are
higher
in
Wales
and
Northern
Ireland.
C
For
specific
reasons,
Wales,
as
you
mentioned,
has
the
production
center
that
does
a
lot
of
network
production
and
then
North
line,
because
it's
a
ace,
a
smaller
place
in
terms
of
News
provision
has
to
operate
with
a
disadvantage
and
that
it
can
ik
has
to
provide
a
level
of
news
and
galleries
and
services
similar,
so
in
accounts
for
a
high
proportion
of
total
spend
compared
to
its
income.
As
you
know,
and
looking
at
that
kind
of
reporting
see
that
BBC
England
because
of
the
scale
of
BBC
England,
the
the
percentage
is
actually.
K
F
We
conducted
some
fairly
significant
audience:
research
into
Scotland
and,
as
off
the
bucket
I
began
to
realize
some
changes
in
September
there
we
announced
some
changes
to
the
makeup
of
our
key
news
programs,
breakfast
lunch
and
Drivetime,
which
are
the
spine
of
the
daytime
schedule
and
they'll
be
ruled
out
soon
and
then
we'll
be
moving
on
to
two
other
pieces
and
I
think
you
know
all
time
spent
listening
to
radio
consumption
in
Scotland
across
UK
is
dying.
Common
sense
would
say:
people
have
other
things
that
they
can
do
with
their
time
than
listen
to
live.
F
F
But
you
know
we
think
BBC
Radio
Scotland
is
a
very,
very
important
service
to
us,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
can
leave
reach
the
fact
it's
going
to
be
one
of
the
few
places
you
can
get
Scottish
speech
and
discussion
on
on-air.
The
online
story
is
also
quite
positive:
40
percent,
a
bit
more
than
40
percent
of
listening
to
video
Scotland,
is
now
online
services
and
again
I.
Think
your
future
proofing
yourself,
there
I
think
just
looked
quickly.
F
Last
week,
there's
more
than
300,000
requests
to
listen
to
renew
Scotland
content
on
online
platforms.
So
you
know
we
haven't.
You
know
we
think
we're
able
to
kind
of
again
make
sure
we
are
getting
the
programming
I
to
people
where
they
are
listening
and
some
also
you
know,
work
in
podcasting
as
well.
Some
significant
podcasts,
okay.
B
A
B
I
You
computer
I'm
sure
all
parties
represented
run
this
table,
look
forward
to
being
invited
to
any
BBC's
debate
and
I'd
like
to
task
by
editorial
guidelines
and
last
year,
you'll
be
where
I
raise
the
issue
of
the
consistent
appearance
of
so-called
free
market.
Thank
tanks
on
BBC
platforms,
Institute
of
Economic
Affairs
and
the
group
that
calls
himself
for
taxpayers
is
their
dark
money,
think
tanks
they
don't
disclose
their
funding.
Only
a
few
donors
have
been
uncovered
by
investigative
journalists
and
they
advocate
a
pretty
hard
line:
form
of
unregulated
capitalism.
I
So
the
campaign
against
public
health
measures
on
tobacco
they
happen
to
be
funded
by
tobacco
companies.
It's
widely
believed
that
they're
funded
by
US
pharmaceutical
companies,
which
would
explain
why
they're
so
keen
on
on
privatizing
NHS,
now
asker
when
I
raised
as
the
Deputy
Director
General
said
that
it
hadn't
been
raised
with
her
before
which
I,
don't
believe
was
the
case.
I
So
the
new
guidelines
state
that
BBC
shouldn't
assume
that
guests,
including
think
tanks,
are
unbiased
and
should
provide
appropriate
information,
including
their
sources
of
funding
that
should
be
disclosed
if
it's
appropriate
to
the
context
and
not
a
single
appearance.
I've
seen
of
the
ia
of
the
taxpayers
of
iron
since
July
and
they're
on
BBC
platforms,
almost
every
single
day,
including
question
time
last
week,
not
one
of
those
have
their
sources
of
funding
being
disclosed
and
not
at
not
one
of
them
have
I
seen
them
be
asked
about
their
sources
of
funding.
B
The
they
should
be
being
implemented
and
and
if
they're
not
and
if
there's
evidence
and
to
be
like
what
put
what
you're
saying
mr.
beer,
then
I
very
happy
to
look
into
that
and
but
I
can't
remember
exactly
which
think
tack
it
was.
But
I
do
remember
and
and
on
the
basis
of
understanding
that
that
that
amendment
should
have
been
made
to
editorialize
lines
and
I
was
very
conscious
to
have
picked
out.
That
context
was
being
given
in
one
of
our
reports.
B
I
D
I
I
It
wasn't
disclosed
at
the
start
of
the
programme
because
I
genuinely
BBC
producers
didn't
know,
but
they
hadn't
asked
so
I
just
caused
it
during
that
program
spike
for
not
particularly
happy
about
that,
and
but
just
to
confirm
your
possession
on
this,
then
the
issue
with
these
groups
is
that
they
are
not
willing
to
disclose
who
funds
them.
If
they're
not
willing
to
disclose
that
information.
I
So
if
we
were
to
take
Scottish
club
on
a
question
time,
debate
night,
if
debate
night
was
going
to
be
looking
out,
issues
around
the
NHS,
for
example-
and
it
is
widely
believed
that
these
groups
are
funded
by
US
pharmaceutical
companies,
I
presume
the
an
invitation
to
group
what
such
as
that
would
not
be
extended
for
a
program
like
debate
night,
unless
they
could
disclose
to
you
whether
or
not
they
were
funded
by
relevant
interests.
For
example,
pharmaceutical
companies
I
would.
I
But
partly
issue
that
the
point
I'm
making
is
these
groups
refuse
to
disclose
that
information?
So
if
you
were
unable
to
uncover
that
because
they
refuse
to
disclose
who
funds
them,
presumably
an
invitation
would
not
then
be
extended
or
it
would
be
withdrawn
on
the
basis
of
them
not
providing
that
information.
I
would.
F
Absolute
real
I
think
I
think
the
spirit
of
what
you're
saying
is
right,
as
you
should
be
mindful
that
people
from
organizations
may
not
be
neutral
independence
I
mean,
for
example,
in
Northern
Ireland.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
it's
still
confidential,
he
funds
contributes
to
political
parties
for
security
reasons.
So
you
know
to
me
that
if
you
just
said,
if
you
don't
disclose
your
funding,
you
cannot
appear.
You
may
be
cutting
off
a
valid
form
of
political
discussion
and
debate
up.
I
To
certain
point,
I
mean
the
political
donation
rules
in
Northern.
Ireland
are
changing
because
of
the
historical
issue
there
understandable
for
historical
security
reasons,
but
we're
in
a
new
period
known,
protecting
off
the
back
of
DP
funding
of
the
weave
campaign
and
Great
Britain,
not
in
Northern
Ireland.
Those
those
rules
have
changed,
and
the
point
here
is:
there
is
an
important
issue
of
context
and
the
information
being
disclosed
to
the
viewing
public
ever
group.
I
If
we
take
the
examples
that
we
are
aware
of
because
of
disclosure
rules
elsewhere,
we
know
some
of
these
groups
are
funded
by
tobacco
companies
if
they
were
invited
on
to
say
a
paper
review
where
there
are
issues
topics
in
the
newspapers
around
public
health
issues
around
tobacco
that
are
being
discussed
on
air,
it
is
relevant.
It
would
be
right
for
the
BBC
to
schools
that
to
viewers
that
the
person
they
have
on
commenting
on
this
is,
in
fact,
from
an
organization
funded
by
the
tobacco
lobby.
L
L
Much
checking
very
good
morning,
everyone
like
Inger,
actually
on
the
success
of
your
new
channel
open.
It
continues
to
go
from
strength
to
strength
and
a
and
flourish
even
more
as
the
years
progressed,
I
think
it
a
new
jobs
and
news
room
is
gonna,
be
totally
welcome,
given
the
the
pressure
on
journalistic
jobs
in
Scotland
and
across
the
UK
in
recent
years.
I
think
I
do
share
concerns
or
already
expressed
by
the
members
of
politics.
Scotland
is
to
be
suspended
during
the
campaign,
and
I
have
actually
looked
the
BBC's
on
live
feed
of
this
committee.
L
In
fact,
and
there's
no
information
as
to
whether
or
not
that
is
the
case
or
not,
and
it
does
see
holiday
live
will
continue
throughout
the
campaign.
So
was
that
something,
but
I
would
have
thought
him
Donalda,
given
that
you
and
obviously
the
director
really
fond
of
such
a
decision
had
been
taking
on
politics,
Colin
that
you
would
have
been
integral
to
that
decision
and
at
least
what
at
least
have
been
consulted
on
it
beforehand.
So
who
would
have
made
such
a
decision
if
such
a
decision
has
been
made?
Well.
B
L
I
had
address
with
you,
remember,
80s,
MP
conference,
this,
your
politics
:
the
fact
that,
if
you're
watching
politics
Scotland-
and
you
miss
the
first
few
minutes
as
I
did,
for
example,
last
Sunday
and
have
done
on
a
number
of
occasions
have
being
a
Sunday
morning
and
I
switched
to
the
start
of
the
programme,
always
takes
sheiter
to
East
Midlands
or
last
week
it
was
northwestern
of
England.
It
doesn't
actually
go
to
BBC
in
politics
Scotland.
Interestingly,
there
are
thing
about
that
program
is
the
Tim.
L
It's
always
followed
in
Westminster
recess
times,
rather
than
who
lorded
recess
teams
and
as
the
you
know,
the
what
Scotland
there
you
know
make
cover
Scottish
politics,
but
it
clearly
doesn't
cover
the
obviously
doesn't
prioritize
hold
it.
It's
very
much
a
Westminster
based
program
and
I
would
hope
that
the
BBC
would
look
into
that
and
some
more
detail
in
order.
L
That
has
become
a
bit
more
focused
in
terms
of
what's
happening
and
not
just
end
here,
but
on
the
conoce
jewel
that
we
actually
operate
and
here,
but
it
bigger
to
find
out
what
the
position
is
on
on
the
politics
corner.
I
realize
that
you
can
obviously
communicate
with
people
and
to
deem,
and
the
other
thing
I
was
wanting
to
mention
was
obviously
your
accounts.
L
So
network
content
is
eighty
million
pounds
of
that
than
and
the
total
network
spend
is
some
eighty
five
million
pounds
and
then
there's
various
other
expenditure.
So
M,
the
eighty
percent
figure
isn't
really
accurate
of
the
money
raised
in
Scotland.
So
about
three
hundred
and
eleven
million
the
local
spend
is
112
million
account
your
accounts
and
and
I
also
like
to
ask
what
happens
to
the
the
differential,
the
sixty
two
million
between
the
three
hundred
and
eleven
and
two
forty
nine
million
words
I,
go.
C
L
C
Right,
that's
two
from
forty
nine
million
that
spend
in
Scotland
the
network
spend
in
Scotland
is
programs
that
are
made
for
the
broader
network
made
in
Scotland.
So
our
view
is
that
money
that
is
spent
in
Scotland
across
the
whole
of
the
BBC.
There
are
costs
that
we
take
on
such
to
the
provision
of
world
service,
sports
right
and
costs
of
putting
on
international
production,
whether
that
Commonwealth
Games
or
the
World
Cup,
which
don't
reside
in
any
of
the
nationalities
across
the
UK.
C
So
in
a
sense
everybody
getting
to
100%
because
of
those
issues
is
impossible.
So
every
is
going
to
be
sub
100%,
which
is
why
you've
got
Wales
less
than
am
sense,
Scotland
less
hundred
percent
and
also
England
less
than
100%,
and
that's
accounts
for
it.
So
it's
unlikely
that
we
would
get
to
hundred
percent
in
BBC
Scotland
because
of
the
other
outside
UK
activities
that
we
have
to
fund
no.
L
No
I
feel
like
pre
than
it
was
spend
I,
don't
think,
there's
anyone
here
who
wouldn't
suggest
for
a
single
minute
that
we
shouldn't
make
that
that
sword
contribution.
It's
just
that
it
seems
to
me
a
bit
of
a
misnomer
to
put
under
under
Scotland
when
it's
actually
scholars
contribution
towards
the
network.
L
But
the
other
question
asked
was
what
was
what
was
the
differential
Gore
doesn't
seem
to
311
million
pounds
income
in
the
two
hundred
forty
nine
million
span
here,
fel
already
committed
a
chunk
attack,
240ml
nine
million
towards
the
network
I
mean
one
would
have
assumed
just
looking
at.
If
you
look
at
the
beer
figures,
I
would
have
assumed
or
two
hundred
forty
nine
million
since
Peyton
Scott
they
are
sexy.
Simone's
obviously
only
supported
you
Kia
network,
fair
enough,
but
it
seems
that
the
UK
net
was
being
supported
within
the
to
four
in
a
million.
C
Sorry
I
didn't
quite
make
myself
clear,
so
the
remainder
is
on
things
spent
outside
the
UK.
So
if
we
put
on
the
Commonwealth
Games
and
have
to
cover
it
provide
coverage
of
Commonwealth
Games,
that's
not
spread
to
the
UK.
So
that's
accounts
for
some
of
the
gap
between
the
money
raised.
It's
got
from
license
fee
payers
and
what's
spent
in
Scotland,
and
then
the
provision
of
BBC
World
Service
again
is
money
that
spent
outside
the
UK
but
is
in
funded,
partly
through
all
the
last.
We
feel
essence
repairs
across
the
country.
L
Accent
Jason
occurs
if
you
look
at
the
same
figures
for
England,
it's
three
billion
an
eighty
five
million
in
income
in
two
thousand
one
hundred
thirty
six
million
in
expenditure.
If
what
you're
seeing
is
correct
for
England
as
well
as
Scotland,
that
would
mean
nine
hundred
and
forty
nine
million
pounds
we'd
be
getting
contributed
towards
things
outside
the
UK
SH.
You
know
that
can't
be
the
case,
I
mean
and
there
were
less
the
bbc's
built
up.
L
Some
massive
strategist
have
set
the
border,
so
why
is
only
sixty
nine
point,
two
percent
and
England
as
well,
because
surely
London
has
a
colossal,
a
disproportionate
amount
of
their
BBC
expenditure
and
although
the
BBC
has
been
trying
to
move
out,
you
know
other
parts
of
of
the
United
Kingdom,
including
in
England
itself.
So
the.
C
World
service
accounts
for
more
than
250
million
of
that
expenditure
right.
Okay,
there
is
a
level
of
sports
rights.
Unless
you
we
had
the
Commonwealth
Games
in
the
World
Cup.
We
also
have
distribution
contracts
which
are
paid
for
to
international
companies
of
operate
satellite
contracts.
So
there's
a
range
of
things
and
we
have
some
outsourced
service
provision
of
facilities
in
other
parts
of
the
world
so
specifically
in
Chennai.
There's
a
financial
and
a
mission
of
operation
that
works
from
there.
L
Thanks:
okay,
no
just
one
of
the
issues.
Obviously
it's
been
a
big
political
issue
in
recent
months.
Certainly
over
the
summer
was
that
over
seventy
five
issue
order.
People,
obviously-
and
you
know
you-
should
get
the
lights
of
paid.
Forty
seven
hundred
forty
five
million
pain
was
spent
on
that
and
then
the
the
UK
can
self
government
if
it
to
the
lump
don
at
the
BBC.
You
see.
Well
it's
up
to
you
to
say
where
it
can
tell
you
that
are
not
the
BBC
to
a
compromise
position
in
terms
of
them.
L
You
know
people
and
all
the
people
on
patient
care.
That
and
I
understand
that
there
are
men
that
there
was
being
spent
in
Scotland
by
the
DWP
or
naps.
Fifty
two
million
the
year
before
last
last,
ships
there
to
eight
million.
No,
if
the
BBC
is
going
to
be
try
and
Scotland
is
going
to
be
picking
up
that
Baden
and
over
three
hundred
eleven
million
penning
can
what
will
be
their
ongoing
impact
on
jobs
and
programming.
C
We
know
that
of
the
two
hundred
fifty
150
million
that
we've
agreed
that
we
can
fund
through
the
cessation
of
money
that
was
put
aside
for
the
rollout
of
broadband
or
orally,
because
that
obligation
comes
to
men
for
the
BBC.
Having
said
that,
that
was
money
that
clearly
would
like
to
use
to
invest
in
services,
pan
UK
and
then
the
other
100
million
would
have
to
come
out
of
efficiency
savings
across
the
whole
of
the
BBC.
Over
time,
we've
made
significant
progress
on
that
as
the
committee.
C
Although
we've
significant
reduced
our
property
footprint
across
the
BBC,
we
sold
off
many
of
our
London
properties
and
consolidated
down.
That's
driven.
Significant
savings
continues
to
do
so.
We
procure
contracts
efficiently
and
through
doing
that,
make
savings
every
year,
avoiding
inflation
costs.
So
we
think
carefully
around
how
we
buy
services
across
the
UK
and
think
about
how
we
can
do
things
more
efficiently
and
invest
in
technology.
Do
that
and
we've
also
made
significant
reductions
through
our
headcount
particular
at
senior
level.
C
So
we
have
half
the
number
of
senior
leaders
across
the
BBC,
so
we
have
a
programme
of
savings
that
goes
forward
but
you're
right.
If
you
took
the
straightforward,
Read
Across
you'd
assume
that
the
VA
a
saving
across
Scotland
we're
not
planning
to
particularly
target
or
reduce
services
of
Scotland
through
that
saving
we're
looking
at
that
across
delivering
more
on
our
efficiency
agenda.
So
if
we
can
do
things
more
efficiently
in
Scotland
through
providing
our
services
that
gives
the
opportunity
to
put
towards
a
concession
or
puts
Accords
in
in
more
audience
facing
creative
investment,
aspera.
C
Really
it
went
tonight,
it
clearly
makes
it
more
difficult
to
invest
it's
more
constraining,
so
we
would
have
liked
to
put
more
money
in
so
creatives
in
Scotland,
but
were
constrained
from
doing
that
because
of
providing
the
concession
to
people
with
pension
credit.
We're
looking
to
sustain
our
level
investment
here,
though,
and
have
Scotland
as
a
priority.
C
So
having
drama
coming
out
of
a
production
centre
in
Wales
is
is
great
when
there's
such
a
hot
market
for
talent
in
London,
for
drama
having
a
technology
and
drawing
on
the
talent
from
Scotland
sitting
that
in
Pacific
key,
is
really
great
and
has
a
twin
purpose
for
both
Scotland
investment,
but
also
means
that
we
can
supply
BBC
technology,
invest
in
the
future
at
a
lower
cost.
And
if
we
were
dealing
in
the
market
within
London,
which
is
very
hot
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
software
engineers,.
C
Will
see
this
mistake,
though
we
signed
the
memorandum
with
Scottish
create
screen
earlier
this
year.
It's
early
days,
we
have
a
firm
commitment
to
deliver
three
dramas,
three
comedies
and
three
factual
programs
every
year,
and
we
have
a
commitment
to
do
that
and
an
ambition
to
do
that
and
that's
what
we
aim
to
do
so
we're
not
looking
for
savings
as
such,
coming
out
of
there
with
some
demands
issue
to
reduce
that
creative.
L
Commitment,
okay,
so
just
ask
one
final
question:
I
mean
can
be
not
if
the
UK
government
continued
to
pay
these
license
fees,
and
you
still
had
this
thought
to
a
million
poems.
What
would
you
be
doing
that
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
as
a
result
of
that
we
did
before
dramas
and
for
comedies,
for
example,
each
year?
What
would
be
the
possession,
then,
if
you
weren't,
losing
this,
because
it's
clearly
having
I
know
you're
doing
your
best
to
be
as
diplomatic
as
possible
or
deny
said
mr.
I
should
ridden
I.
L
C
Think
you,
I
think
it's
it's
quite
clear
and
it
comes
out
in
the
Ofcom
report.
They
want
us
to
invest
and
prioritize
young
audiences
and
that's
a
challenge
for
all
UK
broadcasters.
Nothing
within
Scotland,
the
Scottish
Channel.
That's
been
set
up
in
a
way
that
helps
do
that,
and
the
social
in
Scotland
is
a
strong
piece
of
investment
to
achieve
some
of
that,
the
deficit
across
the
whole
of
the
nation.
Again
that
something
would
like
to
invest.
C
If
we
had
additional
funds
to
do
that,
so
there's
a
range
of
things
we
like
doing
around
investing
in
high
player
and
sounds
these
are
all
things
that
we
would
like
to
investing
because
we're
unprecedented
times
in
terms
of
the
competition
we
get
from
global
players
who
have
come
with
the
UK,
such
as
Spotify
Netflix,
and
we
feel
as
though
it's
constraining
for
us
in
that
environment.
Well,.
A
H
A
A
Right,
we'd
behead,
you
from
using
current
affairs
in
Scotland
Scott,
wouldn't
be
a
UK
decision.
No,
no,
okay!
That's
good!
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that,
and
also
to
go
back
over
some
of
the
the
figures
in
in
their
accounts
and
those
I
think
other
members
have
raised
the
issue.
All
the
the
distribution
costs
em
and
how
they
have
risen
in
the
Scottish
accounts
from
thirty
three
and
a
half
million
in
2017
18
to
forty
two
million
and
2018-19,
and
they
are.
They
are
quite
a
peak.
A
C
Your
first
question
occasionally
periodically
review
how
we
allocate
costs
to
our
services
when
we
do
that.
We
do
that
with
objective
of
making
it
clearer
and
more
understandable
people
who
read
the
accounts.
The
distribution
costs
we've
allocated
in
a
different
way
in
2019,
in
doing
that,
it
makes
sense
and
all
organization
to
do
that
is
to
restate
the
prior
year
to
make
it
directly
comparable.
So
for
us
it
just
makes
it
clearer.
C
On
your
second
comment,
the
reason
distribution
costs
are
proportionately
higher
in
Scotland
than
in
England
is
because
Scotland
has
dedicated
services
that
require
distribution.
So,
although
Beauty's
comms
only
launched
in
the
year,
you
would
have
an
allocation
of
distribution
cost
for
that,
but
you
also
have
BBC
Alvar
and
its
own
Radio
Scotland
services,
so
that
accounts
for
a
high
proportion
of
costs
which
go
on
distribution,
I.
A
Think
a
lot
of
people
will
find
that
not
very
convincing
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you,
because
obviously
those
huge
amounts
of
spend
in
London
and
you
know-
London-
produces
many
more
Network
programs
and
very
high
value
programs.
So
it's
a
big
difference.
Five
point:
four
percent.
Sixteen
point:
four
percent:
that's
a
huge
difference!
Wais.
A
I
think
a
lot
of
people
find
that
rather
unconvincing,
particularly
since
the
dedicated
services
compared
to
the
spent
in
London-
and
you
know,
there's
not
a
huge
amount
spent
on
these
dedicated
services
compared
to
your
UK
spend
and
and
to
go
back
to
the
dedicated
services.
I
would
like
to
congratulate
your
new
new
channel
as
well,
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
good
feedback
about
it,
and
you
know
I
really
do
wish
it
well
and
I'd
like
to
ask
turnout
whether
she
thinks
that
that
is
enough
money
being
spent
on
the
new
channel.
A
B
Always
but
I
think
what
what
has
been
important
and
we're
talking
about.
I
spent
two
deeds
for
these
particular
accounts.
It
won't
be
the
total
total
spend
over
the
course
of
this
year.
That
will
appear
next
year.
Is
that
that
you
know
I
think
we
always
said
that
it
was
going
to
be
challenging
to
launch
a
brand
new
and
television
service
in
what
is
already
a
very
coded
marketplace
and
and
also
challenging
with
the
sums
of
money.
But
what
we
have
done
is,
as
we
said
we
would
do.
B
We
would
use
these
sums
of
money
as
wisely
as
we
possibly
could
to
generate
further
income
and
it's
great
credit
to
the
creative
sector
in
Scotland
that
we
have
partnered
with
them
and
with
other
agencies,
and
indeed
with
with
with
other
commissioning
bodies,
not
just
within
the
BBC,
but
but
beyond
the
BBC.
To
make
as
much
of
that
investment
as
we
possibly
can
I
mean
we
will
continue
to
do
that
and
clearly
I
think.
The
question
was
asked
me
previously:
if
I
needed
more
money,
would
I
go
and
ask
for
it?
B
The
answer
to
that
would
be
yes,
I
would
but
I'm
also
very
conscious
of
the
constraint
set
that
FISA
BBC
currently
and
I'm
keen
to
do
all
that.
We
can
yes
to
secure
the
good
health
of
that
service
and
that
channel
and
all
our
other
services,
but
at
the
same
time,
be
mindful
of
my
responsibilities
to
the
whole
of
the
BBC.
Just
in
terms
of.
A
Cancer,
thank
you
very
much
and
mister
this
should
retire.
How
would
you,
if
you're,
looking
at
how
to
fund
channels,
you
know
that
you've
got
a
channel
in
Scotland
and
twelve
million
a
channel
in
wheels
and
22
million
I
mean?
How
do
you
assess
you
know
what
brand
new
TV
channel?
How
do
you
assess
the
budget?
For
that
mean,
it
just
seemed
a
big
difference.
So.
C
Just
on
the
twelve
million
cost,
obviously
that
accounts
for
just
the
period
of
launch
up
to
so
first
mark,
so
it
launched
in
February
as
an
account
for
a
whole
year
cost
of
running
the
channel
with
public
state
before
from
a
Content,
spend
we're
looking
at
a
channel
that
some
31
32
million
have
spent
per
annum,
which
will
be
ahead
of
the
wales
comparator.
I
think
when
we
look
forward
around
how
we
allocate
spend
across
channels.
Clearly
we
are
mindful
of
our
audience.
C
Challenges
will
look
so
BBC
scotland
tongue
will
compete
against
other
services
and
do
you
want
to
back
success
and,
to
the
extent
that
you
know
it's
successful,
is
meeting
audiences
needs,
whether
that's
representation,
viewers
figures
on
stuff,
we
would
seek
to
place
what
additional
investment
we
have
to
the
channels
that
deliver
that
most
effectively
clearly
across
the
UK
BBC
one
is
a
very
cost
efficient
way
of
delivering
across
all
audiences
BBC
scotland,
because
of
its
smaller
reach
is
harder.
So
it's
cost
per
viewer
hour
will
be
higher.
C
A
A
metropolitan
position-
you
know
you
know,
that's
always
going
to
be
the
key
sin
in
our
country,
like
scotland,
it's
very
different
demographic
and
distribution
of
population.
So
you
can't
judge
scotland
and
judge
the
success
of
your
content
and
scotland
in
the
same
way
as
you
would.
You
know,
in
in
highly
urban
areas
in
the
south
of
england,
no.
C
But
I'm
trying
to
want
to
is
related
to
their
role,
objectives
of
the
BBC
and
also
the
objectives
for
scotland
itself,
because,
as
your
colleague
mr.
Gibson
mentioned,
is,
were
tighter
funding.
We've
got
to
think
carefully
around.
How
do
we
deploy
the
best
money
we
can
in
the
best
way
for
Scotland
in
the
broadest
sense,
whether
that's
network
production
representation
of
Scottish
voices
on
on
on
there
through
expansion,
investment
into
beauty,
Alba,
radio
services,
all
BBC,
Scotland
Channel?