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From YouTube: Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee - 24 October 2017
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1. Decision on taking business in private: The Committee will decide whether to take items 5 and 6 in private.
2. Subordinate legislation: The Committee will take evidence on the Renewables Obligation (Scotland) Amendment Order 2017 [draft] from—
Paul Wheelhouse, Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy, and Heather Stewart, Policy Manager - Power Networks, Scottish Government.
3. Subordinate legislation: Paul Wheelhouse (Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy) to move—S5M-07660—That the Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee recommends that the Renewables Obligation (Scotland) Amendment Order 2017 [draft] be approved.
4. Economic Data: The Committee will take evidence from-
Matt Lancashire, Director of Policy, Scottish Council for Development & Industry (SCDI);
David Watt, Executive Director, Institute of Directors;
Helen Martin, Assistant General Secretary, STUC;
Carolyn Currie, Chief Operating Officer, Women’s Enterprise Scotland.
5. Economic Data: The Committee will consider evidence heard at today's meeting.
6. Performance of the Scottish Economy: The Committee will consider a list of candidates and agreed an order of preference for appointment.
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A
Good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
26th
meeting
of
the
economy,
jobs
and
Fair
Work
committee
may
I
ask
everyone
present
to
turn
off
or
turn
to
silent
electrical
devices
which
may
interfere
with
proceedings.
I
have
apologies
for
this
morning's
meeting
from
committee
members,
Richard
Leonard
and
Gordon
McDonald
decision
item.
A
1
is
a
decision
by
the
committee
to
take
items
five
and
six
in
private,
as
the
committee
agreed
thank
you
now
may
I
welcome
the
Minister
for
business,
innovation
and
energy,
and
also
his
accompaniment
Heather
Stewart
from
his
team
who's
here
to
assist
on
the
matter
of
subordinate
legislation,
which
is
the
renewables
obligation.
Scotland
amendment
order
2017
under
the
affirmative
procedure
and
I
would
invite
the
minister
to
make
his
opening
statement.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
convener
and
since
its
introduction
in
2002,
the
renewables
obligation
has
driven
investment
in
renewable
energy
capacity
across
Scotland
installed.
Renewable
capacity
is
resident.
Your
honor
and
now
exceeds
all
other
forms
of
Valor
to
city
generated
in
Scotland.
Our
renewable
electricity
output
has
almost
traveled
since
2006
and
in
2016
was
equivalent
to
54%
of
the
electricity
consumed
in
Scotland,
as
well
as
putting
us
on
track
to
meet
our
interim
2020
emissions
reduction
target.
This
investment
has
facilitated
substantive
economic
growth
and
job
creation
and
Scotland
in
2015,
the
low-carbon
and
renewable
energy
renewable
economy.
B
They
generated
ten
point
five
billion
pounds
in
turnover
and
supported
58,000
jobs
in
Scotland,
of
which,
in
the
region
of
26,000,
were
in
renewable
energy.
The
costs
of
funding
the
ROI
recovered
through
levies
on
energy
suppliers
who
passed
these
costs
on
to
consumers
through
their
electricity
bills,
as
the
cost
of
renewable
support
mechanisms
are
generally
borne
on
a
per
unit
of
electricity
basis.
Industries
which
are
electricity
intensive,
can
see
their
costs
increased
significantly.
B
This
completes
energy
intensive
industries
that
are
competitive
disadvantage
when
competing
in
international
markets
with
businesses
and
jurisdictions,
where
no
such
mechanisms
are
in
place
to
support
renewables.
In
response
to
this,
in
2014
the
UK
government
announced
it
would
compensate
certain
energy
intensive
industries
for
the
indirect
costs
of
the
RO
and
the
parallel
feed-in
tariff
scheme.
In
the
2015
spending
review,
the
UK
government
subsequently
announced
a
transition
from
a
compensation
scheme
to
an
exemption
scheme
shaped
by
industry
feedback.
B
The
exemption
scheme
is
designed
to
improve
investor
certainty
and
the
competitiveness
of
these
businesses
by
providing
greater
clarity
as
a
certainty
and
accuracy
of
support.
The
Scottish
government
supports
measures
to
reduce
the
indirect
cost
from
climate
policies
to
help
ensure
the
international
competitiveness
of
energy
intensive
industries.
As
such,
we
sought
to
ensure
that
energy
intensive
industries
operating
in
Scotland
can
benefit
from
the
proposed
DB
wide
exemption.
Well,
we
are
redoubling
our
efforts
to
decarbonize
our
economy.
B
More
generally,
however,
in
May
2016,
we
published
a
consultation
seeking
views
on
the
proposal
to
implement
the
exemption
in
relation
to
the
RO
Scotland.
This
ran
alongside
the
UK
government
consultation
and
together
views
were
sought
from
businesses
and
consumers
across
Great.
Britain
responses
to
our
consultations
showed
strong
support
from
stakeholders
for
a
consistent
approach
to
be
applied
across
GB.
A
clear
case
was
made
that
this
was
required
to
protect
Scottish
businesses
from
uncertainty
and
complexity
that
could
pose
a
direct
threat
to
scottish
jobs
and
increased
costs
for
consumers.
B
Community
amendments
for
consideration
by
the
committee
today
are
designed
to
avoid
any
such
threat
to
jobs,
and
this
approach
is
favoured
by
a
majority
within
the
stakeholder
community
and
is
fundamental
to
this
successful.
An
effective
operation
of
the
exemption
for
businesses
located
in
Scotland
I
do,
however,
ignores
the
concerns
raised
by
some
stakeholders.
Firstly,
it
is
important
to
state
that
this
exemption
will
not
detract
from
the
industry's
efforts
to
reduce
direct
emissions
and
improve
industrial
energy
efficiency.
B
As
part
of
our
wider
whole
system
decarbonisation
agenda
for
Scotland's
energy
system,
energy,
intensive
industries
will
continue
to
be
incentivized
to
improve
their
energy
efficiency
to
participation
in
carbon
markets
such
as
the
EU
emission
trading
system,
and
we
are
engaging
with
energy
intensive
industries
to
support
energy
efficiency
improvements
through
the
delivery
of
the
Scottish
manufacturing
action
plan.
Suppose
governments,
energy
strategy
due
for
publication
later
this
year
and
with
advice
and
support
available
from
agencies
such
as
resource-efficient
Scotland
as
well.
B
Secondly,
and
importantly,
we
recognize
that
non
eligible
businesses
and
households
will
see
a
small
increase
in
their
electricity
bills.
The
best
estimate
is
that
households
could
see
not
point
two
percent
increase
in
their
annual
electricity
bills,
the
equivalent
of
two
pounds
30
per
year
and
large
size
non
exempt
energy
users,
not
point
six
percent
increase,
which
of
course,
can
represent
a
significant
amount.
In
some
cases,
analysis
also
indicates
there
may
be
a
small
increase
in
fuel
poverty.
B
In
the
absence
of
any
efforts
to
mitigate
this,
however,
any
such
theoretical
increase
should
be
considered
in
the
context
of
our
wider
actions
to
tackle
fuel
poverty
and
among
households
and
two.
In
parallel
help
businesses
reduce
their
energy
costs.
The
Scottish
Government
is
delivering
our
2016
programme
for
government
commitment
to
make
half
a
billion
pounds
available
over
the
next
four
years
for
improving
energy
efficiency
and
combating
fuel
poverty
through
Scotland's
energy
efficiency
program.
B
By
the
end
of
2021,
we
will
have
allocated
over
1
billion
pounds
since
2009
to
helping
meet
Scotland's
forms
cheaper
to
heat
and
reducing
the
cost
of
energy
bills.
For
householders,
this
funding
will
be
used
to
build
on
the
measures
delivered
through
a
range
of
yuki
and
scottish
government
programs
to
over
1
million
households
since
2008
and
our
formal
response
to
the
final
recommendations
from
a
strategic
working
group
and
the
rural
fuel
poverty
taskforce
was
published
in
March
this
year.
B
This
confirmed
we
would
publish
a
consultation
paper
in
autumn
this
year
on
a
new
long-term
fuel
poverty
strategy.
This
will
include
proposals
for
a
new
overarching
target
once
the
independent
review
of
your
poverty
definition
has
reported.
This
strategy
will
feed
into
the
development
of
a
new
warm
homes
bill
which
we
plan
to
consult
on
shortly
and
introduced
in
2018.
This
package
of
measures
will
work
to
offset
any
increase
as
a
result
of
this
amendment
and
continue
our
progress
in
delivering
warmer
homes
convenor
having
carefully
considered
the
views
of
stakeholders.
B
The
amendments
contained
in
the
order
before
committee
today
are
designed
to
support
economic
growth,
international
competitiveness
and
investment
in
Scotland.
As
we
progressed
towards
our
decarbonisation
targets,
they
will
ensure
that
energy
in
of
industries
operating
in
Scotland
can
benefit
from
the
proposed
GB
wide
exemption
and
represent
our
continual
efforts
to
support
growth
as
we
decarbonize
our
economy
and
before
a
formally
move
recommending.
The
order
I
would,
of
course,
be
happy
to
respond.
Any
questions
that
you
or
other
members
of
the
committee
may
have.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
Will
the
issue
we
have
is
that
the
cost,
because
the
FDP
government
moves
its
own
order?
The
cost
will
still
be
borne
by
consumers
and
businesses
in
Scotland,
but
not
have
the
benefits
or
the
exemption
at
the
Eee
ice
and
energy
intensive
industry.
Sorry
would
get
from
our
moving
the
order
today.
So
in
answer
we
would
get
the
cost
borne
by
consumers
to
see
consumers,
but
not
the
benefits.
Thank
you.
A
B
A
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
will
record
the
result
and,
in
light
of
the
timing,
I
would
invite
the
committee
to
agree
that
myself
and
the
Clarke
will
produce
a
short,
factual
report
and
arrange
to
have
it
published,
as
the
committee
agreed
with
that,
in
that
case
I'll
thank
the
Minister
Paul
wheelhouse
and
also
the
official
from
his
team
Heather
Stewart
for
their
attendance
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
Convener
Thank
You
members.
A
Zooom
will
now
resume
the
meeting
and,
first
of
all,
our
economic
data
inquiry.
Today
we
have
witnesses
with
us
who
I'll
I'll,
introduce
in
a
moment
I'd
remind
members
to
keep
their
questions
sharp
short
to
the
point
and
also
the
witnesses
and
their
answers.
The
witnesses
shouldn't
feel
they
need
to
answer
every
question
but
can
indicate
if
they
wish
to
come
in
by
raising
their
hand.
A
So
our
witnesses
today
are
Matt
Lancashire
director
of
policy
from
the
Scottish
Council
for
development
and
Industry,
and
welcome
to
you
next
Carolyn
Currie
chief
operating
officer,
women's
Enterprise
Scotland,
so
welcome
to
you
as
well.
David
watt,
executive
director
of
the
Institute
of
Directors
and
Helen
Martin
assistant
general
secretary
of
the
St
you
C,
so
welcome
to
both
of
you
as
well.
D
Yeah
I
think
I'd
start
by
saying
that
actually
Scotland
has
some
very
good
economic
data.
I
think
if
you
compare
it
to
other
regions
of
the
UK,
we
certainly
have
quite
a
number
of
robust
figures
that
come
out
fairly
regularly
around
GDP
around
unemployment
around
employment
I
mean
these
are
very
useful
measures
for
us
as
trade
unions
to
use-
and
we
do
look
at
this
at
this-
that
are
quite
closely
and
use
it
in
a
lot
of
our
work
and
I.
D
However,
and
the
first
issue
is
one
about
timing,
and
there
does
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
time
lag
and
between
the
Scottish
that
and
the
UK
data,
so
even
on
the
most
well
purchased
figures
and
and
some
of
the
key
indicators
in
the
economy.
There
is
a
of
a
time
like
in
Scotland
and
compared
to
what's
available
at
the
UK
around
GDP,
for
example,
when
you
get
into
sort
of
slightly
more
complex
that
out
in
Scotland.
Sometimes
the
time
lag
can
be
quite
great.
D
D
The
key
area
for
us,
though,
is
that
as
the
STC
and
the
key
sort
of
gap
for
us
when,
when
looking
at
data
in
Scotland
is
around
wages-
and
the
weird
start
at
the
UK
is
is,
is
really
quite
good
and
we
can
and
we
can
track,
what's
happening
to
wages
at
UK
level
at
Scottish
level.
That
seems
much
more
difficult.
D
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
the
same
range
of
sources
and
we
think
that
that's
a
real
that's
a
real
mess
for
a
Scottish
data,
because
you
know
in
the
future
we
are
going
to
have
to
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
tax,
raise
and
pars
and
and
the
the
amount
that
people
are
in
affects
the
amount
that
they
pay
and
tax,
and
that
data
gap
is
likely
to
become
much
more
much
more
noticeable
and
have
much
more
an
effect
on
what
we
can
do
in
terms
of
forecasting
in
the
future
and
I.
Think.
E
One,
if
I
might
make
a
few
introductory
much
lost
in
general
terms
when
we
come
to
some
of
the
specifics
later,
but
I
suppose
this
you
know
lies
damned
lies
and
statistics
is
this
a
and
I
think
some
of
the
figures
are
quite
contradictory
as
well.
We
serve
a
challenge
and
we
become
tonight
some
examples
of
Antley
throw
in
Israel.
E
Although
I
think
is
Helens
point
made,
we
are
well
covered
compared
to
other
some
other
parts
of
the
UK,
partly
because
of
the
existence
of
yourselves
in
this
building
and
that's
helpful
and
what
this
space
does
and
some
others,
but
some
tracing
as
to
see
some
of
the
inconsistencies.
The
figures
as
well
I
do
think.
E
Having
said
the
figures
really
be
used
primarily
to
indicate
trains
and
not
necessarily
to
define
policy,
a
certain
given
time,
I
think
there's
a
danger
of
that
I
think
politicians
with
less
respect,
tend
to
get
focused
and
outputs
and
outcomes,
and
that's
quite
a
dangerous
train.
It's
a
Deans
restrained
in
business
as
we
all
I've
got
to
see
and
I
think
that's
fear
as
well.
E
A
short
number
of
statistics
doing
actually
help
to
identify
where
the
country's
going,
where
the
economy's
going
in
general
theorems,
as
we
also
I,
think
and
I
think
this
interesting
comparison
of
having
an
OB
are
and
the
UK
which
we
do
in
half
as
well,
which
might
be
something
to
think
about
as
well
and
the
longer
term
it
was.
Finally
just
so
we
absolutely
fixated
a
desire
for
an
evidence-based
policy
and
but
that
you've
quite
to
be
quite
sure
where
the
evidence
is
before
you
start.
E
So
there's
a
bit
of
debate
as
I
said
some
of
sistex
exempt
file,
at
least
upper
house,
but
so
really
do
you
think
that
we
should
be
building
policy
in
the
future
of
Scotland
through
this
building
in
other
places,
actually
based
on
some
concrete
evidence
and,
unlike
certain
politicians,
we
see
Atlin.
Do
you
believe
in
experts.
F
G
And
some
of
those
comments
meet
by
by
David
and
Helen,
and
our
specific
point
would
be
that
Detra
should
be
incorporated
to
look
at
gender
disaggregated
data
and
the
availability
of
gender
disaggregated
data
and
Scotland
is
extremely
poor.
It
is
also
extremely
poor
at
UK
level,
and
our
view
should
be
that
all
economic
detail
should
be
gender
decidely
gated
and
as
a
matter
of
critical
importance.
G
Certainly
echo
statements
already
made
around
broader
measures
and
we
have
an
agenda
that
seeks
to
promote
inclusive
growth
and
I
would
suggest
that
our
current
measures
and
really
do
not
help
with
that
agenda
and
fall
quite
short,
and
if
we
can't
measure
it
them,
certainly
can't
change
it
and
or
understand,
what's
happening,
and
it
certainly
support
any
calls
for
evidence-based
policy.
That's
utterly
critical
and
data
plays
a
crucial
role
in
that
and
in
terms
of
what
what
the
current
model
covers
a
regarding
wage
and
earned
income
outputs.
G
H
Don't
know
what
so
now
that
everyone
else
is
just
open
with
I
suppose
what
it
comes
down
to.
Is
it
it's
not
generally
reliability
of
evidence
and
economic
sources
and
what
we
mean
by
that
there
are
sometimes
competing
economic
statistics
that
around
whether
from
Scottish
government
or
UK
government,
particularly
on
areas
around
exports,
particular
areas
around
sustainability
in
some
signs
that
can
get
lost
within
the
complexity
of
it
of
the
economy.
H
So
I
think
there's
some
clarity
that
is
needed
for
for
people
across
Gotham
over
in
business
or
public,
whatever
it
might
be
to
understand
what
those
figures
are
and
what
they
actually
mean.
An
example
of
that
is
quite
simple:
it's
our
biggest
X
people
that
we
export
to
the
USA,
but
we
don't
understand
who's
exporting
to
the
USA
from
Scotland,
whether
that's
American
businesses,
whether
that's
UK
businesses,
whether
that
Scottish
businesses
and
what
that
means
for
the
long-term
impact
on
the
economy
and
sustainability.
H
The
economy
has
moved
on
in
in
the
past
50
years,
our
measures
at
a
GDP
which
is
a
crucial
measure.
It
is
internationally
recognized.
It
is
something
that
shows
whether
an
economy
is
growing
or
not.
However,
it
does
have
its
limitations.
It
probably
was
born
about
50-60
years
ago,
when
the
economy
look
very,
very
different.
H
I
was
very
much
a
goods
and
services
economy
and
that's
what
it
actually
measures
and
actually
needs
to
be
more
intricate
than
that
and
understand
that
we
are
now
in
a
digital
revolution
or
post
digital
revolution,
where
goods
and
services
are
traded
in
very
different
ways
in
economic
output
is
very
different
too,
so
there,
a
number
of
things
and
tweaks
that
need
to
need
to
be
a
supposed
to
support
what
GDP
is
actually
measuring
in
a
long
term
as
well.
Thank.
I
Convener
I
mean
I,
think
building
and
what
the
events
of
the
convener,
which
covered
the
kind
of
areas
of
strengths
and
weaknesses
understand
it
I
mean.
Can
you
hone
in
on
what
specific
improvements
you
would
really
like
to
see
and
I
think
probably
linked
with
that?
Who
should
actually
be
doing
that?
Because
we've
got
some
control
over
what
happens
in
Scotland?
We
don't
have
complete
control
or
we
can
make
recommendations
for
elsewhere.
So
what
would
be
the
specific
improvements
that
you
would
be
looking
for
and
who
might
do
that.
A
H
Sure
I
think
that
there's
a
number
of
ways
you
could
do
that
I
fee
in
particular.
Rather
this
moment's
on
the
enterprise
of
skills,
reviews
happenings
and
economic
data
unit,
that
is
going
to
be
borne
out
of
the
enterprise
and
skills
review
that
can
support
gathering
some
of
these
data,
creating
credibility
amongst
that
data
as
well
and
been
able
to
support
thinking
on
the
economy
going
forward
to
that.
H
That's
warm
root
and
other
roots
is
from
business
itself
to
to
gain
their
expertise,
knowledge
and
information
and
get
that
ratified
by
certain
government
representatives
or
for
a
Council
of
Economic
Advisors
as
well
to
be
able
to
actually
ratify
some
of
that
information.
That's
coming
out
of
business
and
using
that
in
a
as
a
ways
of
strength,
but
I
do
from
the
enterprise
the
skills
who
gives
an
opportunity,
through
this
economic
data
units
to
provide
more
robust
data
on
the
economy.
I
G
Terms
of
gender
disaggregated
data
and
the
details
sitting
there,
it's
a
key,
serve
building
a
framework
in
order
to
get
it
out
and
some
cases
I
understand
that
work
has
started,
and
so
progress
should
be
already
on
its
way.
In
the
case
of
business
gateway,
business
key
we
were
able
to
report
in
their
most
recent
and
report.
E
Mood
is
a
couple
of
things
in
terms
of
sources.
I
think
one
of
the
things
is
Gotland.
Earnest
little
axe
is
a
really
strong,
independent
think-tank,
which
would
help
us
to
be
honest
with
you
equate
has
been
a
number
of
attempts
to
establish
that
and
haven't
really
been
successful.
Sadly,
I
think
it's
something
we
probably
all
should
get
together.
Reform
Scotland,
another
pin
a
significant
part
and
I
think
this
is
something
to
be
welcomed
here,
alongside
space,
who
I
think
do
a
remarkably
good
job,
they're
delicious
stuff
in
business
visa,
so
work.
E
The
same
is
actually
quite
useful
again.
Some
of
the
figures
you
can
other
people
make
complete,
no
completely
sane
up
to,
but
a
pretty
good
and
fairly
I
could
at
gate,
I
think
most
would
consider
that
to
be
and-
and
thirdly,
I
think
the
thing
we
still
haven't
really
tied
and
strong
enough
to
is
a
very
strong
university
based
in
Scotland
of
the
14
of
the
best
world
leading
establishments
very
serious
and
just
how
we
get
them
involved.
E
Obviously
this
committee
and
those
have
used
people
like
David
BL,
it's
sterling
and
others
in
the
past
and
I,
pier
thing
and
lights.
You
continue
and
obviously
fliest
of
our
and
there's
another
strong
agency
as
well,
so
some
coming
together,
perhaps
sometimes
of
these
and
perhaps
has
been
suggested
through
the
Krenzel.
The
economic
advisor
may
be
quite
a
sensible
way
to
look
at
that
as
well.
But
as
I
say,
the
small
problem
is
that
sometimes
these
organizations
or
produce
different
figures
which
leave
us
all
a
bit
confused.
Sometimes
you.
I
E
The
both
of
these
acts
that
I
think
the
research
which
says
I
think
is
going
on
universities,
and
perhaps
we
should
both
business
and
the
Parliament
should
be
supporting
and
encouraging
universities
to
find
some
real,
strong
data
and
not
just
or
ECD
stuff,
and
an
inclusive
growth,
for
example,
has
been
mentioned
as
well.
That's
I!
E
Really,
if
that's
the
government's
key
target,
which
clearly
is
there
me
to
be
looking
at
the
data
above
God,
for
example,
because
we
talk
all
the
time
about
wage
disparity
and
yet
I
saw
some
evidence,
not
that
long
where
the
wage
disparity
is
not
the
issue
and
it's
way
off.
That's
the
issue
something
so
you
then
start
to
have
a
different
debate.
If
you
look
at
and
different
ways,
I
think
so
we
need
to
have
a
look
at
that.
So
there's
yes,
disease,
research,
and
also
this
you
know
the
reform
Scotland.
E
What
they
do
is
come
forward
with
different
policy
options
slightly
slightly
different
based
on
the
other
set,
obviously
as
well
I
think
we
should
be
using
University,
sometimes
to
do
this
strong,
based
research,
which
I
know
the
space
do
as
well.
That's
really
important,
but
yeah.
That
is
then
the
policy
development
over
that
as
well.
No.
I
D
The
question
of
why
it
is
that
we
produced
more
data
for
Scotland
I
think
there
is
actually
a
quite
a
key
challenge
here
and
because
it
does
cost
quite
a
bit
of
money
actually
to
produce
the
kind
of
statistics
that
you
might
want
to
see.
If
you
were
going
to
try
to
reproduce
everything
that
we
have
at
UK
level,
ups
at
Scottish
level,
so
I
think
the
key
here
is
to
think
about
what
the
key
gaps
are
in
our
understanding
of
the
Scottish
economy.
D
And
what
are
the
things
that
we
really
want
to
focus
on
and
then
to
think
about
whether
or
not
we
need
to
produce
Scottish
level
statistics
and
using
using
Scottish
agencies
or
whether
it's
about
boosting
or
1s
surveys
or
what's
the
best
method
of
collection
within
that,
and
also
what's
the
most
cost
effective
measure
of
collection
and
then
through
think,
it's
important
to
recognize.
I
think
as
as
the
Fraser
volunteer
Institute
did
in
their
evidence.
That
you
know
are
the
powers
in
Scotland
are
not
the
same
as
the
powers
at
the
UK
level.
D
We
can't
require
and
Scottish
companies
to
fill
in
surveys.
In
the
same
way,
so
it
might
also
be
about
tooling
up
the
agencies
in
Scotland
to
have
that
power
to
collect
the
data
and
that
we
need,
particularly
if
we're
going
to
have
much
greater
powers
here
in
Scotland
over
the
economy.
Because
these
things
and
we
do
need
to
have
a
good
evidence
base
in
order
to
make
those
decisions.
But
there
is
always
that
balance
and
act
about
how
high
we
collected
are
there
in
the
cost-effective
way
and.
I
Can
ask
you
I
mean
you
specifically
mentioned
wages
as
one
of
the
kind
of
gap
areas
now
I'm,
assuming
that
HMRC
are
sitting
on
quite
a
lot
of
information
about
wages?
So
do
you
think
it
is
a
question
of
someone
else
needs
to
collect
data
about
wages,
or
is
it
just
that
we
need
to
somehow
get
out
of
HMRC
at
a
reasonable
cost
and
well.
D
My
understanding
is
that
there's
three
or
four
ways
to
collect
weeds
that
are
at
the
minute
and
that
each
of
them
kind
of
give
you
a
partial
picture
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure
that
he
Jamar
C
is,
is
that
is
the
datasource
for
wages,
although
it
could
potentially
be
and
that's
a
kind
of
internal
question
for
government.
So
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
is
to
think
about
hi
hi.
Well,
we
can
produce
that
data.
From
my
point
of
view,
I
just
want
to
see
what
the
data
says
and
then
use
it.
D
I
don't
pretend
to
be
an
expert
in
high
and
in
what
the
best
way
it
is
to
generate
that
data,
although
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
good
and
robust
method
that
allows
that
to
be
trustworthy
and
the
good
indicator
of
what
the
economy
is
doing
so
and
I
think
the
the
best
source
really
is
is
the
one
that
comes
from
the
the
the
ons.
The
average
weekly
earnings
source
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
listed
to
be
able
to
provide
Scottish
specific
data.
Okay,.
H
I
think
there's
an
option
for
business
itself
to
be
able
to
collect
from
this
data
that
can't
always
be
calculated
collated
and
fixing
on
finite
economic
trends
and
issues
in
the
long
term,
whether
that's
on
things
like
sustainability,
wages,
exports,
etc
and
there's
an
onus
there
as
well
to
have
that
kind
marked
in
some
way
to
say.
Actually
this
has
been
approved
in
worry
by
government
or
another
type
of
body
to
say.
Actually
we
can't
gather
all
this
information
we
can't
disseminate
it
or,
but
what
we
can
do
is
trust
over
information
in
the
economy.
H
That's
had
some
kind
of
car
mark
kite
mark
and
been
ratified
and
put
forward
somewhere
else.
So
it's
how
we
best
gather
the
data
to
allow
comment,
after
that,
I
suppose,
and
the
more
dates
that
we
have
and
the
more
data
that
is
I,
suppose
ratified
and
he's
consistent.
The
better
commentary
we're
going
to
get
on
the
actual
economic
data.
J
Computer
and
good
morning
to
the
guests,
a
lot
of
attention
is
understandably
placed
on
micro,
economic
data
such
as
GDP
and
on
employment
levels,
I'd
like
to
ask
about
business
level,
information
and
what
level
of
information
would
be
helpful
for
your
organization's
and
also
your
members,
your
businesses
to
improve
their
business
performance,
to
expand
their
business
and
perhaps
to
move
into
new
markets.
Because
I
think
we've
spoken
about
the
the
high
level
data,
but
it'd
be
good
to
get
your
own
individual
feedback
about.
What's
actually
really
useful
for
for
your
business
and
your
organization's.
E
E
Is
it
always
the
political
changes
that
we've
seen
and
are
seeing,
but
also
in
terms
of
artificial
intelligence,
things
which
are
gathering
a
speed
which
has
never
been
seen
before,
keep
saying
we're
going
the
fastest
server
going
and
the
slowest
whatever
going
to
go
so
that
sort
of
change
does
make
it
hard
and
business
always
talked
about
certainty
and
no
process,
and
you
fed
up
with
her
and
I.
Don't
expect
you
to
forecast,
but
the
more
of
that
information
that
might
just
talked
about
they
will
have
in
the
end
the
economy.
E
E
The
macroeconomic
picture
is
still
important
to
businesses
and
then
beyond
that,
there
will
be
obviously
very
interesting
and
economic
data
related
to
the
sector
the
likely
to
operate,
and
will
that
be
energy
of
do
tourism
wherever
that
may
be
so
the
more
data
they
can
get
from
visit
Scotland
in
that
case,
for
example,
then
the
better
about
what
the
potential
market
is.
Is
they
bring
a
new
product
to
the
market?
E
So
that's
pretty
important
as
well
and
Elvis
have
in
there
as
the
other
thing
that
will
be
of
interest
to
a
company
either
existing
or
investing
in
this
country,
and
that
will
be
label
of
skills
available
right
now
and
available
tomorrow,
and
that's
what's,
of
course
the
the
the
the
Machine
going
to
produce.
If
you
like,
the
education
machine
going
to
produce
for
them
and
and
one
to
five
years
sort
of
thing-
and
that's
really
important,
so
these
sort
of
figures
as
well
are
really
important,
but
they're
still
are
genuinely
available
public
figures.
E
First
and
foremost,
most
of
the
very
specific
figures
might
well
be
arraigned
a
bit
if
you
like
engineering,
markers
and
things,
people
in
fear
and
oil
and
gas
will
be
reasonably
well
acquainted
with
them.
But
it's
how
that
fits
and
and
how
there
are
trains
either
locally
or
globally
and
I.
Think
the
other
thing
that's
really
important.
E
Also,
it's
quite
a
different
situation,
but
that
global,
Scottish
and
UK
picture
is
really
important
and
trying
to
identify
the
chains
and
go
back
to
my
original
point
is
that
I
am
concerned
if
you
like,
they
were
not
quite
and
I've
suggested
even
to
government
before
that,
should
consider
a
future
think-tank
for
Scotland,
even
within
government,
because
actually
what's
happening
is
happening
so
fast.
Now
it's
really
difficult
to
plan
for
it.
E
You
know
we
are
I
mean,
and
it
said
my
favorite
quote:
I've
pulled
up
at
dinner
recently
by
somebody
said,
get
in
mind
at
school,
a
child
who
goes
to
school,
three
will
never
drive
and
that's
a
BS
boat
statistic
just
makes
you
sittin
back
here.
We
are
we.
Obviously
we
change
very
fast.
This
is
change.
We've
never
seen
before.
This
is
lorries
good
five
at
a
time
during
a
motorway
with
one
driver,
so
that
it's
going
to
happen
in
five
years
time.
It's
not
something
of
a
long
way.
E
D
D
We
kind
of
from
our
point
of
view,
already
have
a
picture
of
what
what
places
looked
like
at
a
workplace
level
through
our
through
our
members
and
what
we,
what
we
tend
to
do
is
then
put
that,
together
with
the
macro
picture
and
then
sort
of
use
that
to
create
our
full
understanding
of
the
economy
that
we
that
we
try
to
have
and
I
think.
What
would
be
helpful,
though,
is
trying
to
replicate
some
of
that
understanding
of
what
it's
like
in
workplaces.
D
What's
missing
from
the
conversation
we
have
quite
a
lot
of
that
are,
but
with
ball
trends
about
where
work
is
and
whether
it's
full
time,
whether
it's
part-time,
the
types
of
contacts
people
are
on,
but
we
don't
kinda,
have
that
sort
of
understanding
of
what
that
means
for
people
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
political
debate
that
I
certainly
am
involved
in
is
about
me
saying
it
means
this
for
workers
and
other
people
saying
no.
No,
it
doesn't
so
I
think
havin.
Some
sort
of
actual
statistical
basis
for
that
conversation
would
be
quite
useful.
D
G
Would
just
add
to
that
the
macro
level
having
the
luxury
of
gender
disaggregated
data
available
to
help
us
focus
on
the
micro
trends
would
be
wonderful.
So
you
know
our
fresh
task
would
certainly
be
that
micro
to
level
and
gender
disaggregated
data
is
made
available
simply
and
to
help
us
understand
em
under
echt
resources
towards
where
the
micro
trends
might
be
in
terms
of
of
microdata,
and
there
was
GHI
released
just
earlier
this
week.
G
I'm
around
self-employment
and
the
self-employed
statistics
and
I
think
that,
as
generally
some
concern
that
the
trend
of
more
women
starting
up
in
self-employment
is
as
masking
a
greeter
problem
with
employment
and
the
economy,
and
this
research
shows
the
that
the
gender
gap,
an
enterprising
self-employed,
is
around
thirty
three
percent,
which
is
almost
double
the
employment
gender
gap
in
the
UK
eighteen
percent.
So
you
know
greater
focus
on
self-employment.
J
Thank
you
very
much
if
I
may
just
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
those
points,
and
thank
you
for
at
the
very
interesting
replies
it
sounds
like
there
is,
there's
benefit
to
be
had
in
terms
of
getting
more
real-time
information
from
business
and
Scotland
to
understand
some
of
the
issues
you've
raised.
However,
there's
a
compromise
between
adding
getting
that
information
and
adding
to
the
regulatory
and
information
burden
on
business.
J
E
So
a
very
good
question
on
a
very
field
point
as
well
and
I
fished
that
challenge
dearly
and
trying
to
get
information
out
by
eighteen
hundred
and
fifty
members
who
do
not
like
to
spend
the
time
filling
in
question.
Here's
the
eye
saying
what
indeed
anybody
else
enzyme
and
it's
a
variable
plug
and
I-
think
one
of
the
problems
we've
got
with
the
information
is
actually
just
the
respondents
as
the
question
that
mr.
E
missed
in
the
questions
asked
a
minute
ago,
but
we
do
get
even
wage
information
and
stuff
for
that
as
well,
and
one
live
is
a
lot
of
leg.
What
to
be
done
and
a
point
that
was
made
by
Helen
about
the
expense
of
that
is
two
years.
There's
no
short
answer
to
research
and
accurate
information
is
expensive,
either
by
literally
fooling
around
emailing,
which
is
pretty
innovative
for
surveying,
which
is
even
more
ineffective
employers,
unless
you
make
a
regular
and
I've,
certainly
not
be
in
favor
of
that
I.
E
Don't
think
that's
necessary
want
to
go
so
it
doesn't
mean
there's
going
to
be
a
cost
to
getting
more
ocular
information,
but
I
think
it's
an
investment
for
the
future
think
is
part
of
an
investment
for
the
future.
We
can't
plan
for
the
future.
We
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
and
what
it's
going
to
do
is
how
things
are
developing
towards
that
as
well,
and
indeed
business
has
to
play
its
part.
E
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
as
mentioned
regulation
over
so
come
back
from
that
bluntly,
but
Ellen,
do
you
think
business
has
to
shape
up?
We
can
ask
Peter
people
to
forecast
the
future.
We
know,
for
example,
speaking
to
education,
say
things
in
what
employees
we
are
going
to
be
looking
for
in
three
to
five
years,
so
we
have
a
part
to
play
in
that
without.
Oh.
H
H
Our
members
are
also
very,
very
keen
not
seduced,
but
also
what
it
enables
us
to
do
is
actually
use
bright.
Young
minds.
Look
at
key
issues,
get
that
ratified
by
senior
economists
in
businesses
across
Scotland
and
present
that
information
to
be
supported
by
government
or
challenge
government,
whatever
it
might
be
and
bring
it
forward.
But
it
is
more
on
finite
issues
that
we
can
see,
whether
that
skills
in
oil
and
gas,
whether
that's
exports,
whatever
it
might
be.
So
there
are
ways
of
doing
that.
I
have
just
the
customary
ways
of
looking
at
things
well,.
D
D
A
lot
of
data
pressures
on
people
unnecessarily
is
very
important
and
I
think
if,
if
that
was
kind
of
clearly
said,
item
defined
that
in
some
ways
the
conversations
might
be
easier
because
we
would
only
be
asking
when
we
really
required
it
rather
than
having
lots
and
lots
of
different
people
at
different
levels.
Coming
with,
with
with
different
things
and
I,
think
that
could
be
part
of
the
problem
as
well.
Yeah.
K
Has
been
partially
covered,
you
know,
we've
heard
from
previous
witnesses
that
things
like
the
Global
Connections
survey
have
got
quite
a
high,
no
return
rate.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
know
you
can
shed
any
light
on
what
you
think
the
barriers
to
businesses
you
know
completing
those
are
obviously
the
Scottish
Government
doesn't
have
the
power
to
compel
and
you've
said
mister
what
you
don't
think
that
the
government
should
have
that.
So
do
you
think
there's
anything
else
that
could
be
done.
K
E
A
customer
that
the
enterprise
agencies
state
they've,
got
a
significant
number
of
a
code
films,
for
example,
so
I
think
they
would
be
a
very
good
potential
testbed,
for
example,
for
that
measure.
You're
talking
about
in
terms
of
global
exporting
and
connectivity
as
well.
So
a
while
are
we
doing
to
be
a
I,
shall
be
a
litmus
test
that
I
and
a
focus
group,
as
opposed
to
somebody
saying
it
was
sober
worth
taking
the
information
from
them.
So
maybe
I'll
be
that
for
businesses
there
would
be
some
they
were
part
of.
E
Their
support
from
the
enterprise
agencies
would
be
an
expectation
that
they
would
reply
in
terms
of
some
of
these
surveys
and
the
things
that
I
as
well
I.
Think
the
problem
of
God
is
too
earnest
to
say
well.
I
I
do
genuinely
believe
that
businesses
should
play
the
part
and
I
think
TIFF.
Your
bigger
businesses
probably
do
trouble
is
for
they
over
recording
with
small
and
medium
sized
enterprises.
It's
just
the
sheer
time
and
bonus
with
the
sheer
number
of
requests
for
such
information.
You
get
I
mean
bluntly.
E
Probably
all
of
you,
for
example,
got
requests
from
British
Airways
and
you
know
Google
and
others
to
fill
in
a
form
or
missed
every
1/8
sort
of
thing.
Personally,
so
then
we
started
made
that
business
and
you
multiply
it
by
10.
It
just
gets
to
overwhelming.
So
it's
even
deciding
the
prior,
which
one
you
fill
in
as
a
bit
of
a
challenge,
but
I
think
you
have
to
work
in
partnership
with
enterprise
agencies
and
I.
Do
think
that
is
about.
We
need
to
see
to
business
and
including
ourselves,
see
it
really
you
vertically
at
partners.
E
If
you
want
to
have
good
information
from
government
and
others,
you
have
got
to
fit
into
the
process,
but
I
mean
genuinely
I.
Have
I,
wouldn't
I,
wouldn't
embarrass
myself
by
telling
you
the
disappoints.
Is
we
get
some
of
the
questions
we
ask
members
it's
not
high
and
because
it's
just
not
what
directors
knew
the
route
fellow
informs
the
run
business
and
it's
not
quite
the
same
thing
and
it's
a
real
challenge,
but
I
think
we
are.
E
So
they
a
part
of
that
obligation
should
be
to
feedback
good
information
on
the
outcome
of
that
work,
and
indeed
we
are
doing
what
and
leadership
program
with
Helen
journals,
Enterprise
and
a
fair
amount
of
emphasis
on
us
feeding
back
from
the
candidates
and
flood
of
workshops
and
other
stuff
that
we
do.
So
that's
a
feedbacks
important
as
well.
L
Some
of
the
issues,
obviously
I,
was
looking
to
ask
questions
a
lot
already
been
raised.
So
I
won't
dwell
on
that,
but
one
of
the
areas
that
I
was
of
interest
in
as
a
the
Holland's
and
is
MSP
will
assist
use
of
regional
local
data
and
how
it
affects
decision-making
both
by
and
phrase
agencies
and
also
by
businesses.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
I
suppose,
expand
on
how
important
you
think
that
that
regional
so
say
local,
maybe
local
authority
data
can
be
and
where
and
where
the
gaps
are
in
that
I.
E
Maybe
come
in
as
I
happened
to
have,
for
example,
the
information
and
then
feasting
gallery
from
enormous
that
this
was
digging
out
recently
I
was
was
handy
to
meet
more
recent
gallery.
I've
just
been
put
together
some
information
right
in
the
back.
There
border
lines,
deal
they're
submitting
to
the
Scottish
Aniki
governments,
but
and
I
go
see.
E
I've
read
that
particular
information
with
great
interest
and
actually
issue
some
real
gaps
and,
and
they
in
terms
of
age
groups
and
and
education,
access
and
labels,
for
that
particular
leader,
for
example,
so
I
think
Pearson
is
extremely
important.
Link
is
extremely
important,
the
Highlands
Islands
and
because
in
Scotland
well
a
small
country
number
of
population
is
quite
geographically
diverse
country
and
the
number
of
the
applications
of
industry
across
laws.
You
know
your
own
area
is
extremely
diverse,
so
the
impact
of
you
know
fish
farming
is
massively
important.
E
So
how
we
get
information
about
that
information
where
people
are
but
the
level
of
education
and
and
how
you
the
UHI
initiative
is,
is
so
developing
in
this
relatively
early
years.
The
impact
has
is
massively
important
as
I
find,
for
example,
for
that
information.
I'm
just
seen
and
that
allows
I
think
business
organizing
is
to
be
more
effective,
actually
understand
what
the
local
economy
looks
like.
E
What
are
the
bigger
and
smaller
indices
and
what
are
potential
skill
gaps
are
indeed
demographic
gaps
as
well
that
you
get
from
that
information,
I,
guess
extremely
so,
and
something
certainly
local
authorities
as
well
should
be
really
focused
on
as
well
thinking
you
ruin
ear
to
a
fear.
Hi
do
a
pretty
good
job
of
that,
but
I
think
it's
really
important,
and
it
also
leads
you
to
look
at
home.
For
example,
broadband
rule
actually
works
and
things
that
and
we're
the
difficulties
are,
and
that's
of
infrastructural
developments
related
as
well.
G
And
again,
at
regional
level,
gender
disciple,
gated,
detail
and
availability
is
very
poor
and
it's
critical
that
we're
able
to
get
that
line
of
sight
in
particularly
in
many
rural
communities
and
often
in
rural
enterprise
and
agriculture,
for
example.
It's
women
that
are
leading
the
diversification
on
farms,
and
and
yet,
unless
we
get
that
line
of
sight,
we
are
unable
to
to
look
at
models
or
best
practices
working
and
rule
that
out
em
across
Scotland
and
I.
G
Think
that,
as
ought
really
critical,
that
is,
for
example,
an
excellent
rural
enterprise
model,
M
and
Eastern
pear
Shire
called
Gruber's.
It's
done
a
fantastic
job,
but
again
that
data
just
doesn't
seem
to
be
coming
through
level
where
these
successes
are.
Where
that
evidence
base
is
farming
and
where
we
can
leverage
those
modules
much
more
broadly,
across
Scotland
and
and
of
course,
I
should
add
that
Gruber's
does
have
an
excellent
women's
enterprise
network
as
part
of
that
focus
tree.
L
So
I
can
I
come
back,
I
mean
we've
obviously
talked
about
how
we
can
collect
more
data,
perhaps
on
a
route
on
a
national
level,
but
other
particular
things
that
we
can
do
them
at
a
regional
level
or
local
level
to
to
get
more
information,
perhaps
more
suited
more
tailored
to
those
to
the
organizations
that
may
use
it.
I.
E
Oh,
it's
not
I'm,
not
blaming
other
people,
I
think
it's
businesses
maybe
aren't
as
gauge.
They
should
be
again
the
point
I
made
about
high
need
to
as
they
do
with
us.
We,
what
with
them
demand
the
information
comes
along,
save
that
terms
of
the
mentoring
program
be
run
with
them,
and
we
have
to
give
some
feelers
robust
feedback
as
what
actually
is
happening.
What
the
benefits
are,
what
the
iPod
know
comes
out,
as
we
all
I
think
that's
important
and
I
think
they
need
to
require
that
of
businesses.
E
So
they
can
build
that
case
over
a
period
of
time,
but
also
working
very
closely
with
local
authorities,
all
of
whom
have
economic
development
departments
and
that
that
tying
together
quite
important
and
then
there
is
that
a
partner
but
tying
together
with
other
significant
companies
like,
for
example,
scott
reil,
who
operating
area.
So
they
need
good
information
about
population,
other
things,
the
passengers
or
some
trains,
and
so
that's
all.
It
is
actually
all
ties
together.
It's
very
important
that
the
agencies
on
business
work
together
to
gather
information
but
I,
think
wealth
or
''tis.
G
H
Just
quickly
I,
don't
at
the
end
of
all
this
is
it
each
local
authority
area
is
different
and
it
will
look
different
depending
on
the
information
data.
That's
involved,
suppose
the
question
is,
is
what
data
is
missing
and
what
data
is
unneeded
to
support
economic
growth
within
that
area
and
I?
Think
that's
where
we
need
to
focus
our
attention
and
then
how
business
can
support
in
each
the
local
authority
differently,
as
opposed.
L
D
Briefly,
to
add
to
that
I
think
the
issue
here
is
that
actually
there's
there
is
quite
a
lot
of
data
around
at
local
level.
But
it's
it
comes
from
quite
a
lot
of
different
sources
and
the
local
authorities
do
produce
quite
a
lot
of
data
and
do
look
at
quite
a
lot
of
that,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
leave
the
local
authority
and
when
you're
trying
to
use
that
as
a
user.
If
that
it
can
be
quite
difficult,
sometimes
to
understand
everything
that
there's
known,
I,
think
Highlands
and
Islands.
D
In
the
absence
of
that
agency
and
I
think
that
sort
of
is
one
of
the
key
questions
that
we
kind
of
struggle
with
is
about
how
high
the
amount
of
work
in
the
amount
of
time
that
would
need
to
be
to
put
together
that
sort
of
picture,
because
it's
not
it's
not
easy
to
do
at
the
minute.
With
the
data
that's
available.
Okay,.
L
D
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
be
concerned
about
would
be
the
fact
that
you're
using
data
from
from
being
collect
from
different
places
with
different
methodologies
from
different
sources,
and
that
to
me
always,
oh,
that
always
raises
a
bit
of
a
question
mark
in
my
hair,
because
you
know
when,
when
you're
trying
to
put
together
data
sets,
if
they're
not
collected
in
the
same
way
and
there's
not
and
they're
not
talking
about
the
same
thing,
then
you
can
be.
You
can
be
fine.
D
You
can
be
saying
things
that
aren't
fair
and
aren't
true
if
you're,
if
you're,
not
using
the
data
properly-
and
you
know
we
try
really
hard
to
say
things
that
we
think
are
are
true
and
genuine
about
the
economy,
and
that
to
me
means
that
it
creates
caution
in
my
head
when
I'm
trying
to
create
local
local
for
pictures
and
local
level
commentary,
because
and
because
you
are
having
to
rely
on
what
the
local
authorities
don't
know.
Missus
tell
mark
what
what
ons
data
can
be.
Extrapolated
I'm
words.
D
If
it's
not,
you
know
and
what
the
Scottish
government
is
saying
and
there
are
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
little
bits
and
pieces
of
information
that
can
be
put
together,
and
that
is
that
is
very,
very
useful.
But
it's
also
very
challenging
and
I
think
you
know
Agee
and
there
are
there,
as
people
have
mentioned
earlier,
you
know
we
don't
have
the
same
number
of
think
tanks
working
in
Scotland.
We
do
some
very
good
ones,
and
but
you
you
know
at
times
it
can
be.
D
It
can
be
quite
difficult
to
sort
of
put
together
these
pictures
and
in
all
the
ways
that
you
might
want
to,
and
maybe
that's
about
my
own
skill
levels-
I,
don't
know,
but
I
kind
of
think
that
there
is
something
about
why
we
hired
hi.
We
present
the
data
and
hi.
We
ensure
that
people
can
use
it
because,
and
not
every
organisation
in
Scotland
will
have
lots
of
lots
of
time
and
resources
to
put
into
building
that
picture
and
I'm
sure.
A
M
Whether
I
could
go
back
to
something
that
Lancashire
said
and
just
explore
it
a
bit
further
because
you
made
a
specific
connection
between
business
needs
and
data
collection
in
terms
of
perhaps
the
challenges
the
economy
faces.
With
the
data
lab
I'm
wondering
was
the
data
lab
I
couldn't
make
out
from
what
you
were
saying?
Was
it
a
proposal
that
didn't
quite
happen?
Is
it
happening
and
and
is
the
the
reluctance
that
David?
What
identified
the
people
wanting
to
fill
out
survey
forms?
Is
that
overcome
because
you've
made
it
quite
specific
yeah.
H
H
There's
a
thrust
from
our
members
and
our
policy
committee
is
CDI
to
set
up
this
data
lab,
which
will
be,
as
I
said,
bright
young
minds
made
up
of
Strathclyde
University
students,
perhaps
universities
as
well
to
look
at
Pacific
economic
trends
and
issues
that
can
support
the
economic
data
that
we
have
out
there
or
provides
and
the
economic
data
that
is
missing
out
there
as
well.
It
will
be
focused
on
what
our
policy
committee
want,
which
is
our
members
coming
together
to
write.
H
Okay,
these
are
pacific
areas
and
trends
that
we
need
to
look
at,
and
then
it
will
be
ratified
by
our
chief
economist
group
that
we're
trying
to
set
up
at
a
CDI
as
well.
So
that
is
one
way
of
doing
it
and
overcoming
that
I
suppose
it's
not
a
lack
of
desire
and
business
to
fill
in
these
form,
but
it's
a
time
issue
and
it's
a
barrier
issue
that
they
face,
particularly
small
and
medium
enterprises.
H
M
Take
from
that
and
something
else
you
mentioned
about
tight
marks,
because
I'm
very
conscious
that
we
are
data
rich
in
many
respects,
there's
lots
of
data
there,
but
perhaps
it's
not
usable
in
the
form
that
Helens
described
I'm
wondering
particularly
when
I
look
at
say,
señor
high.
They
do
collect
a
lot
of
data.
Some
might
say
that
some
of
the
data
is
presented
in
quite
a
partial
way
to
tell
a
story
about
targets
and
achievements.
How
do
we
get
to
a
kite
mark
who
runs
it
and
you
know
how
would
that
function?
I
think
Matt.
H
Okay,
I
raised
it,
I
mean
it's
a
good
question.
I
think
I
think
what
the
answer
is
that
we
don't
know
and
I
haven't,
got
a
suggestion
as
to
how
to
put
that
forward,
and
we
can
come
back
to
you
on
that.
Jackie
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
say
by
kite
marking
it
gives
credibility
and
it
gives
credibility
to
the
general
public
that
are
reading.
What's
going
on
with
the
economy,
businesses
that
are
reading
what's
going
on
with
the
economy
and
it's
not
lost
in
a
political
wills
and
discussions
and
power.
H
It
actually
said
this
is
the
state,
the
economy.
This
is
where
it.
This
is
how
much
our
export
this
is.
Where
wages
are
this,
how
many
people
are
unemployed?
This
I
mean
if
people
are
underemployed
whatever
it
might
be.
A
kite
mark
brings
some
kind
of
credibility
to
the
figures
and
statistics
that
people
can
believe
in
and
I
think.
That's
that's
a
positive.
How
that's
done!
We
can
put
ideas
for
we're
not
sure
yet.
M
G
I
just
say,
I
think
the
great
thing
about
a
quality
mark
is
a
standard
analysis
of
data,
and
certainly
from
our
perspective,
we
see
that
as
a
very
efficient
way
forward
and
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
issues
that
everybody
is
really
raised
to
D
is
that
time
that
it
takes
and
tweet
through
lots
of
data.
Therefore
I
would
see
a
standardization
or
a
quality
mark
offering
a
greater
efficiency
in
terms
of
being
able
to
look
at
that
data.
G
Understand
it
and
have
you
know
an
encompassing
view,
for
example,
that
reaches
across
all
of
the
public
sector.
Agencies
would
be
terrific.
You
know,
instead
of
having
to
read
through
individual
reports
and
try
to
to
pull
out
comparisons.
Having
that
readily
available-
and
you
know,
a
quality
standard
would
be
terrific
David.
E
I,
don't
quite
know
where
this
cake
mark
would
come
from,
but
and
I
would
suspect
that
University
of
Strathclyde
makes
things
that
data
that
he
publishes
actually
filled
with
a
bust
to
burnish
the
this--so
who's
gonna
cake
mark
of
an
interesting
thing,
I
think
we
probably
all,
except,
for
example,
as
the
office
office,
but
it
will
be
up
statistics
generally
speaking,
because
they
don't
always
go
in
line
with
government
policy.
We
probably
mostly
accept
OECD
figures
already
something,
but
I
think
it
would
difficult
to
see.
E
Scottish
government
are
indeed
UK
government
issuing
figures
which
are
all
going
to
believe,
or
indeed
been
the
responsible
body
for
issuing
the
cake
mark,
I.
Think
a
bit
of
cynicism
about
that
at
best,
berners-lee,
so
I
think
we've
got
a
number
of
robust
organizations
who
do
it.
The
point
about
the
coordination
are
absolutely
get
and
that's
again
difficult
when
it
does
take
about
what
leg,
what
to
go
through
very
statistics
as
well
to
to
try
and
get
an
assessment
in
problem.
I
do
point
between
some
of
the
figures
that
are
I
mentioned.
H
D
I
kind
of
feel
like
we
already
we
already
have.
This
is
a
concept.
I
mean
National.
Statistics
are
you
know,
but
widely
recognized
as
good
quality
statistics,
and
if
it
is
a
national
statistic
product,
then
in
my
mind,
that
is
a
figure
that
you
can
trust.
Then
it
means
that
it's
got
a
robust
methodology,
primarily
it's
about
methodology,
and
that
means
that
this
statistic
is
I
mean.
M
H
I
should
have
you
know:
py
Fraser,
Valley,
room,
Makai
consultants,
new
UI,
Scottish
item
Club,
all
produce
independent
statistics
and
there's
certainly
no
no
challenges
to
those
credibility
of
that
going
forward.
I
also
think
there's
an
opportunity
with
the
Scottish
fiscal
commission
as
well
to
to
look
into
some
of
this
type
of
work
as
well
going
forward.
N
I
want
to
pick
up
one
particular
policy
which
is
hopefully
it
was
designed,
certainly
to
address
that
in
part
and
that's
the
rule
out
affair
increase
child
care
provision
and
I
want
to
ask
the
panel
if
you
feel
that
the
data
that
exists
in
its
current
form
is
adequate
to
be
able
to
analyze
the
economic
effect
of
a
policy
like
that.
Just
as
an
example.
G
Think
the
the
key
point
it
was
making
was
the
annual
median
capita
income
declined
across
all
advanced
countries
by
an
average
of
2.4
percent
over
the
past
five
years,
and
growth
capita
average
less
than
one
percent
which
they
said
was
in
part
due
to
wealth
inequality
and,
and
we
would
see
that
yes
and
models
that
are
currently
used
to
evaluate
a
nation's
productivity
or
growth
and
do
not
include
some
of
the
unpaid
work.
That
is
done.
That
is
critical
to
any
nation
being
able
to
get
out
to
work
on
a
daily
basis.
G
Childcare
as
a
key
component
in
that
and
is
not
included
in
traditional
messer
measures
such
as
GDP.
Therefore,
an
economic
terms,
and
it
represents
work
that
is
being
undertaken
but
is
not
being
seen
or
counted.
When
we
look
at
the
the
overall
contribution
and
being
made
by
our
nation
economically
so
ensure
it
is
feeling.
So.
N
We've
got
a
situation
where
source
just
to
take
that
one
policy,
child
care
is
going
to
be
doubling
and
that's
going
to
have
an
economic
but
economic
impact
on
more
than
just
an
individual
in
a
household.
That's
going
to
help.
Do
you
think
that,
with
the
data
that
we've
got
in,
the
way
that
is
laid
out
is
sufficient
to
be
able
to
analyze
the
effectiveness
of
see
that,
just
as
an
example
about
one
policy
or
any
other
kind
of
inequality
and
decreasing
measurement
measures
that
are
put
in
place
as
it
stands?
I.
G
Think
to
be
tracked
and
seen
it
needs
to
come
into
the
the
kinda
greeter
body
of
the
Kirk.
You
know
and
be
looked
at
in
the
context
of
economic
detail
and
a
critical
measure
of
the
success
of
our
nation
economically,
and
that's
where
the
disconnect
errs
at
the
minutes,
or
you
know
you
can
have
policies
that
change
that,
but
unless
we
actually
are
able
to
access
the
ditch
and
look
at
it
in
context
of
economic
output,
then
the
to
simply
won't
come
together
and
we
will
fall
short
in
terms
of
the
general
impact.
N
H
Sure
I
think
it's
even
wider
than
childcare,
think
it's
welfare
in
general
and
GDP
drove,
and
we
soon
see
this
that
cd-I
increasingly
underestimates
increases
in
welfare
provision
or
or
support,
and
also
underestimates
the
blurring
now,
as
opposed
between
the
leisure
time
and
work
time
and
how
that
impacts
on
the
economy.
I
think
it's
crucial
that
we
start
to
understand
how
GDP
growth
is
enhanced
by
welfare
and
social
welfare
as
well.
D
Yeah
I
think
I.
Think
your
question
is
a
very
interesting
one
and
in
that,
what
you,
what
you're
effectively
asking
is,
can
we
use
economic
data
to
to
look
at
whether
or
not
our
policy
is
supporting
our
economy
and
in
a
very
real
and
tangible
way
we
protects
in?
We
get
why
Ike
and
I
can't
I
kind
of
think
that
we
don't
do
a
huge
amount
of
that
about
any
policy.
Actually,
we
we
actually
don't
spend
a
lot
of
time
going.
This
is
what
the
government
has
changed.
D
What
is
the
impact
been
on
the
economy,
and
that
is
maybe
something
that
we
need
to
do
a
wee
bit
more
of
I
mean.
Certainly
there
are
other
policies
that
I
think
could
could
benefit
from
some
from
genuine
economic
scrutiny.
With
the
example
we
always
uses,
the
small
business
bonus
scheme
and
but
childcare
is
is,
is
is
worthy
of
that
attention
to
you
and
I.
D
So
in
that
respect,
there's
still
a
question
mark
about
how
much
you
will
see
this
check
this.
This
policy
impact
the
economic
data
because
it
may
not
quite
do
the
things
that
we
think
it
will
do
in
real
terms,
because
it
can
be
very
difficult
to
get
a
job
that
supports
that
kind
of
9
to
3
model,
and
but
at
the
same
time,
that
doesn't
mean
that's,
not
a
worthy
policy.
D
I
think
it's
it's
a
void
worthy
policy
in
lots
and
lots
of
ways
and
educational
support
for
children
is
a
big
element
of
it
as
well,
and
that
was
one
of
the
other
things
about
the
policy.
Was
it
it
always
had
that
kind
of
schizophrenic
thing
about
it.
It
was
in
some
ways,
economic,
but
it
was
also
about
children
and
well-being
and
other
things
and
I.
Think
where
this
debate
takes
me
is
that
actually
we
we
think
we
think
about
things
in
kind
of
silos.
D
We
have
a
sort
of
economic
to
be
over
here,
that's
about
GDP
and
productivity
and
stuff,
and
then
we
have
us
kind
of
well
being
an
educational
to
be
over
here,
but
actually
we
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
our
economy
and
we
need
to
think
more
about
sort
of
well.
Be
well-being
measures
within
our
economy
so
that
we
could
actually
properly
enter
I,
get
the
effect
of
a
child
care
policy
and
I
guess
what.
N
I'm
driving
at
is
it's
about
looking
at
social
inclusion
as
an
economic
benefit
yeah,
and
if
the
data
that
we
already
have
through
all
the
various
streams
of
data
right
there,
it
could
be
adjusted
in
a
way,
maybe
meant
in
Karen's.
Obviously
talking
about
gender
disaggregation
but
adjusted
in
order
to
pull
out
some
of
that
and
quite
I'd
say
quite
critical
information.
I!
Guess
that's
what
I'm,
through
innate
free
or
to
answer
I.
E
Think
it's
a
great
question
and
it's
a
great
example
of
how
we
should
be
trying
to
measure
the
longer-term
outcomes
of
policies.
The
government
come
up
come
up
with
I
think
the
most
people
would
applaud
that
policy,
but
actually
how
it
actually
becomes
available.
What
actually
ends
up
in
real
terms
costing
and
what
impact
a
husband
should
absolutely
be.
Measuring
as
well.
E
There's
also
other
interesting
issues,
and
as
if
we
had
you
know
school
clubs
from
3
to
5,
would
that
be
another
option,
sort
of
thing
as
a
policy
option
as
opposed
to
just
even
if
you
want
the
same
impact.
There
are
other
policies
that
might
have
achieved
that
in
practice
as
something
got
to
measure
beside
as
well
another
interesting
thing
which
is
probably
contentious
with
some
of
you.
E
But
if
we're
wanting
to
look
at
Chokey
and
as
impact,
we
also
have
to
set
aside
employment
opportunities,
and
that
includes
been
a
wee
bit
cautious
of
it
wouldn't
matter
by
zero-hours
contracts.
It
was
also
goes
to
the
City
of
London,
throwing
uber
out.
You
want
to
drive
an
uber
taxi
and
speak
to
verb
drivers.
It's
a
fantastic
experience
and
I'll,
just
quote:
one
spoke
to
very
recently.
He
is,
he
is
an
uber
driver
specifically.
E
So,
as
you
can
look
after
his
young
children
and
I
know
the
teller
he's
wife
to
go
to
what
so
you
can
go
back
again
at
night
and
a
Gautam.
What
could
that
suits
his
life
at
that
particular
point,
so
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
different
types
of
lifestyles
and
not
just
about
childcare
in
the
traditional
sense.
There's
an
impact
as
well.
You.
N
Also,
they
can
take
care
touching
em
on
some
of
the
issues
that
we
had
around.
Some
of
the
work
that
we've
done
around
to
see
the
gender
pay
gap
is
that
we
found
it
quite
difficult
to
get
from
our
witnesses
in
front
of
us
and
economic
analysis
on
how
reducing
the
gender
pay
gap
and
we
could
put
any
kind
of
pickup
in
there.
N
However,
adjusting
that
actually
had
a
positive
economic
impact
on
our
nation
as
a
whole,
and
so
things
like
the
availability
of
safe,
flexible
working,
the
availability
of
childcare
hard
make
an
impact
but
quantifying
it
is
something
that
we
are
all
find
quite
difficult
to
do
and
you're
a
few
of
you
are
nodding.
I'm
just
I've
been
interested
to
hear
your
your
thoughts
on
that
to
the.
E
Point
I'm,
making
just
as
I
agree
with
you
but
is,
is
to
do
with
job
availability
and
job
structure,
which
is
changing
and
actually
two
examples.
I
quoted
is
changing
radically,
and
that
too,
is
in
the
mix
of
hotel
care
quench.
Our
care
is
arranged
to
suffer
as
well
when
people
actually
work
unless
robbed
people
I,
don't
like
the
phrase
gig
economy
I,
don't
like
either,
but
it's
a
different
economy
where
nm
we're
moving
into
and
then
we're
for
childcare
and
it's
gonna
be
a
different
potential
model
as
well.
E
I
hope
to
allowed
to
do
what
you
want
to
do,
because
absolutely
is
some
major
lever
to
in
not
only
and
well
a
yes
increase
the
economic
impact
of
a
better
gender
balance
workforce,
but
it
could
have
another
a
lot
of
massively
important
side
effects
and
in
terms
of
young
people
that
is
looking
after
as
well.
Yeah.
H
D
Can
can
I
just
come
back
and
say
that
I
think
it's
absolutely
essential
that
we
do
think
about
motors
of
well-being,
because,
as
as
as
the
the
points
from
from
David
watt
just
highlighted,
I
mean
you
can
find
yourself
in
a
situation
where
you're
talking
about
you
know
people
moving
into
very,
very
insecure
work
as
being
very
positive,
because,
while
they're
in
work
aren't
they
and
work
is
good,
so
that,
and
that
contributes
to
economic
growth.
Ergo
all
is
well
in
our
economy.
D
Whereas,
actually,
if
you
look
at
what
actually,
what
people's
experience
are
of
that
work,
it
can
be
very,
very
negative,
and
actually
it
doesn't
support
that.
The
evidence
suggests
that
we've
done
anyway,
that
it
doesn't
support
women
to
look
after
their
children,
even
though
it
is
a
form
of
flexible
working,
because
the
income
cannot
be
relied
upon.
D
So
you
can't
pay
your
childcare
bill,
because
if
you
don't
know
that
you're
going
to
get
a
certain
amount
of
hours
every
month
and
the
actually
women
report
that
they
don't
use
these
sorts
of
contracts
to
support
their
childcare
because
it
is
it's
actually
not
a
very
good
way
to
do
that
and
I
think
we
really
do
need
to
focus
on
issues
like
the
quality
of
work
and
higher
economy
functions
for
people.
It
isn't.
D
It
isn't
really
good
enough
to
just
have
bold
economic
statistics
that
look
positive
if
the
reality
and
what
your
constituents
are
saying
to
you
and
what
my
members
are
saying
to
me
is
extremely
negative:
that's
not
the
sort
of
economy
I
want
to
live
in
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
what
I
recollect
in
the
statics
still
understand
people's
lives.
So.
N
C
The
Swiss
grammar
school
for
economic
priorities
and
investment,
internationalization
innovation,
inclusive
growth
in
a
general
sense,
does
the
economic
data.
We
have
enable
us
to
assess
where
whether
we're
delivering
in
these
priorities
and
and
specifically,
martin
st
CD
ice
evidence,
you
single
out
stats
on
trade
and
manufacturing
and
your
members
say,
are
poor
I'm,
just
wondering
how
important
the
fact
that
they're
pure
is
and
whether,
in
fact
it
is
feasible
to
improve
them
and
think
of
cost
and
effort,
principally
and
David.
H
That's
like
the
first
question:
it's
ok
who's,
it
directed
towards.
We
said
yet
trade
and
manufacturing.
We
mention
our
evidence.
The
statistics
are
poor,
I
think
I
started
early
on
in
this
debate
and
said:
I
mentioned
on
exports
and
an
information
being
poor
in
terms
of
we're
exporting
to
who's,
exporting,
etc.
I
think,
in
terms
of
having
that
information,
allows
companies
and
businesses
to
judge
where
they're
trading,
with
who
they're
trading
with
what
type
of
manufacturing
industry
where
the
growth
industries
are,
what
sets
is
to
invest
in
we're.
H
Next
still,
ok,
all
these
different
questions
where
their
skills
employees
are
going
to
come
from.
It's
a
growing
sector
industry
or
whatever,
and
having
more
information
around
trade
and
manufacturing
to
see
the
sectors
that
are
growing,
see
the
cetera
start
declining
maturing
new
industry
is
all
positive
in
terms
of
them
being
able
to
plan
for
the
future
and
sustain
the
economy.
So
it's
quite
crucial.
We
get
better
day
to
throughout
that,
or
what's
your
second
question
again
Andy
on
that
there
was
something
else
wasn't
there
like.
You
know.
E
Cuz
I
know
you're
handed
a
little
bit
of
a
first
point
that
if
you
read
every
bit
of
documentation,
read
a
bit
Scottie
shakes
pourcel's
here.
The
data
is
not
robust
as
the
opening
remark
and
didn't
expand.
The
space
support
I
talked
about
as
well
how
many
businesses
exports
and
things
that
the
data
is
just
not
robust
and
again
after
suspect,
that's
about
it
tons,
and
it's
also
about
believing.
For
example,
we
talked
significantly
about
feeding
all
the
recent
years
that
food
and
drink
exports
have
risen
significantly.
E
They
have,
but
the
vast
majority
of
that
is
still
whiskey.
So
that's
not
knocking.
It
is
very,
very
important,
it's
very
good,
but
as
a
massive
impact
for
Scotland,
we
have
to
be
looking
for
other
exports.
Obviously
so
I
think
so
that
information
needs
to
be
quite
deeply
interrogated
to
scratch.
Don't
as
much
talk
to
it.
So
that's
one
nearly
as
well
other
couple
of
interesting
charges,
I'd
be
Taemin.
E
We
got
on
the
table
and
asked
if
you
could
tell
me
he
how
many
businesses
that
are
in
Scotland
is
my
good
example
of
it,
because
the
answer
to
that
varies
between
270
and
350,000.
That's
quite
a
big
variation.
To
be
honest
with
you
and
then
set
the
other.
My
other
favorite
question
of
the
moment.
It
will
be
relevant,
I.
E
Think,
given
the
discussion
in
this
Parliament,
the
moment
is
a
number
of
higher
rate
tax
payers
in
Scotland
as
well,
and
if
there
is
somewhere
depends
who
you
believe
the
Scottish
Government's
gotta
figure
PwC
have
got
figured
HMRC
I've
got
figured
on
there's
7,000
beyond
between
them,
which
is
quite
a
significant
difference
when
PwC
started
to
elf
thousand
and
the
Scottish
government
areas,
nineteen
thousand
something
and
HMRC
ability
is
seventeen
thousand.
So
that
sort
of
figures,
it's
quite
important
when
we're
actually
trying
to
plan.
Are
you
trying
to
time
taxation
force?
E
It
will
probably
significant
debate
with
of
disagree
with
a
number
of
you're
not
front,
but
the
principle
is
how'd.
You
meet
Paula
safe
when
you
do
an
actually
knew
what
that
number
is
and
what
the
me
P
in
order
to
produce
what
figure.
So
how
do
you
budget
and
that
basis,
and
that's
that
that's
a
very
good,
a
classic
example
of
where
we
are
the
snow.
C
Thank
you,
a
project
map
that
the
second
part
of
my
question
was
actually
about.
Is
it
feasible
to
be
able
to
overcome
the
deficiencies
in
trade
and
manufacturing
important
export
without
disproportionate
cost
and
effort
to
meet
a
subjective
judgement
if
you're
like
us
to
whether
we're
going
to
be
able
to
practically
do
anything
about
that,
I
mean.
H
There
are
things
around
at
the
moment
like
a
Scottish
export
statistics
and
others
that
kind
of
measure,
exports
and
foreign
trade
and
manufacturing
to
overcome
it.
I
think
there's
opportunity,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
onion
Enterprise
and
skills
review
to
look
at
how
we
gather
this
information
better
and
clearer
in
the
future.
I
think
I
mentioned
of
our
opportunities
about
this.
It
could
be
more
involved
in
sharing
the
information
as
well
through
various
different
means
that
I
think
David
alluded
to
and
I
did
earlier
on
as
well.
E
Decide
I'm
tempted
to
see
if
I
have
a
hard
break,
so
it'll
be
much
easier
to
measure
because
it
would
take
so
much
longer
or
all
of
bits
of
people
playing
all
over
the
place,
but
part
that
comment
for
a
moment
and
I.
Think
the
good
news
for
all
of
us
is
where
we
are
moving
to
a
world
of
data
in
this
city
in
particular,
we
have
data
labs
already
operate
so
gradually,
I
think
over
time.
E
It
will
be
much
easier
to
put
some
fairly
basic
I'm,
sorry
that
the
various
sources
of
information
into
one
layer,
computer,
which
will
give
us
a
a
median
point
if
you
like
in
some
of
the
information
we're
talking
about
as
well
and
I-
think
all
the
two
pieces
of
that
will
be
much
more
easy
to
collect
and
that's
already
starting
to
happen
and
I.
Think
data
science
bluntly
is
probably
gonna,
be
the
science
of
the
next
ten
years,
so
I
think
so.
I
think
it
will
actually
gradually
get
better.
E
Inevitably,
because
all
these
little
bits
will
be
more
easily
gathered
and
Matt's
already
said,
SCD
I
are
going
to
be
there
for
front
of
doing
that
and
I
think
that's
welcome,
but
I.
Think
literally,
some
of
the
academic
institutions
in
this
city
are
going
to
very
specifically
look
at
that
in
the
future
and
I
think
they'll
be
very
helpful
as
well,
and
it
will
definitely
get
easier.
G
See
I
guess
as
regards
the
the
three
eyes
of
investment,
internationalization
and
innovation.
You
know,
as
as
the
evidence
they
are
absolutely
not
in
gender
specific
terms
and
therefore,
how
on
earth
can
we
measure
and
the
the
gendered
impact
and
the
impact
for
women
led
businesses
and-
and
in
fact
again
you
know
the
research
that
we
do
and
suggest
that
that
women
struggle
to
access
investment,
internationalization
and
innovation.
Therefore,
there
is
a
huge
need
to
sort
at
macro
level,
never
mind
actual
micro
level
data
and
the
macro
level.
G
Data
is
missing
and
is
it
feasible
to
collect
it?
Yes,
we're
collecting
it
already,
a
man
as
a
case
of
gender
decide
like
eating
the
existing
data
that
is
already
available
as
a
matter
of
urgency.
I
would
see
in
terms
of
the
economic
agenda
and
there
are
certainly
opportunities
and,
as
has
already
been
said,
and
the
enterprise
and
skills
review
and,
however,
for
the
the
I
that
represents
inclusive
growth.
The
inability
to
measure
gender
disaggregated
data
and
economic
terms
is
really
an
act
of
self
harm
for
that
agenda
itself.
I
Thanks
I
think
mainly
a
kind
of
technical
issue.
We
had
some
evidence
before
that.
You
know.
Obviously
the
organization's
producing
data
are
under
budget
pressure
like
everyone
else,
and
maybe
had
fewer
people
there
to
produce
the
data
em
and
answer
queries,
and
that
kind
of
thing
aim
I
mean
I
kind
of
basic
issue
would
be.
You
know,
is
that
on
a
spreadsheet
that
you
can
then
use
the
data
more
easily
or
and
what?
I
What
isn't
is
that
an
area
that
concerns
you
or
you've
had
any
problems
with
actually
getting
the
data
using
it
going
back
with
queries
again
we
had
that
kind
of
suggestion
from
one
witness
that
if
they
went
to
Wayne
s
with
queries,
they
got
quite
a
good
response.
If
they
went
to
HMRC
with
queries,
they
didn't
get
such
a
good
response.
E
Yeah
I'm
not
surprised,
but
I
comment,
I
must
admit,
but
I,
don't
one
is
it
I
think
I'm
good
Fiat,
this
guy's
government
and
through
the
office
of
the
chief
economist
I,
think
they
are
starting
to
produce
more
information
and
data.
I.
Think
space
is
similar
doing
that,
so
we're
getting
more
information
and
I,
don't
think
it's
particularly
different
to
difficult
to
interpret
it
sometimes.
Is
you
mentioned
difficult
to
get
and
I
think
one
of
the
issues
you
mentioned
a
little
not
by
a
couple
of
us
is
time
scale
as
well.
I
E
Yeah
adopts
it,
which
I
think
would
help
us
all
I.
Think
Colonel
lanes
been
quite
a
lot
of
points
of
agenda,
there's
a
number
of
points
about
weeds
labels
and
things
that
Israel,
for
example,
I.
Think
it's
quite
interesting
personally,
quite
interested
this
we
develop
a
Scottish
type
scoid
as
to
what
the
violence
of
squash
types
be
as
actually
is,
and
how
we
weaves
labels
in
Scotland
do
really
compared
with
the
rest
of
the
UK.
It's
quite
an
important
factor,
federal
economy
going
forward.
So
absolutely
okay,.
G
I
D
I
think,
just
on
the
commentary
point
I
think
it
is
actually
really
useful
to
have
good
commentary
around
economic
data,
but
the
commentary
needs
to
be
quite
neutral
and
quite
genuine,
I
think
and
the
vo1
s,
for
example,
does
really
great
commentary
I
think
around
their
data
and
but
I
wouldn't
isn't
just
full
if
it
becomes
a
sort
of
press.
If
the
data
becomes
a
presentation
of
this
is
why
our
policies
are
correct.
You
know
which,
when
you
bring
it
in
the
government
departments
it
might,
it
might
weld
the
comment
that.
H
Yeah
I
agree
is
getting.
The
data
can
can
be
difficult
from
agencies
at
such
I
really
might
be,
and
I
think
going
back
to
what
I
said
earlier
about
the
standardization
and
supporting
that
going
forward,
but
also
there's
a
there's,
a
key
bit
around
the
commentary
that
comes
after
these
figures
are
released
or
announced.
So
they're
kind
of
humanized
in
a
way
to
people
can
understand.
Smes
can
understand
various
business
can
understand.
H
A
Right
well,
thank
you
very
much
to
our
witnesses.
Thank
you
for
coming
in
and
I
would
remind
witnesses
if
there's
any
issue
that's
been
raised,
which
you
would
like
to
give
further
written
submission
on.
Please
feel
free
to
do
that,
so
thank
you
again
and
I'll
suspend
the
meeting
and
move
to
private
session
now.
Thank
you.