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A
Actually
sean
is
it
egg
or
ygg,
and
what
does
it
mean.
B
C
A
C
A
Coco,
hey
we
have
new
new
joiners
sebastian
is
coming
back.
D
D
E
A
So
how
shall
we
start
so?
First
of
all,
I
have
some
some
news
and
some
sorting-
and
I
don't
know
if
everyone
knows
about
omega
the
working
group
should
I
give
a
short
intro,
maybe
for
for
the
ones
who
are
joining
you
and
then
we
can
reef
off.
What
we
have
on
the
table
in
this
working
group
is.
Does
that
sound
good?
Or
do
you
want
to
add
a
question
already
that
we
should
address
eater
or
egg.
C
A
So
we
moved
from
you
know
this
proposal
omega
working
group
sorting
out
the
token
entering
community
sites.
How
that
you
know
is
reflected
or
is
part
of
the
commons.
A
A
So
that's
where
the
zero
comes
from
and
that's
how
it
moved
to
working
group
omega
and
it
was
basically
about
you-
know:
okay,
we're
a
bunch
of
token
engineers
but
token
engineering.
The
field
is
just
emerging.
A
We
have
the
token
enter
in
common,
so
we
know
there
is
this
knowledge
that
will
be
the
public
good
of
this
community
and
all
of
what
I'm
saying
is
kind
of
you
know
the
past
eight
months,
that's
made
yeah
that
helped
to
form
that
knowledge
or
that
that
insights
or
or
perspectives,
but
so
we
have
this
token
engineering
commons
with
all
of
the
working
groups
taking
care
of
that
we
get
an
infrastructure
and
rules,
and
we
are
rules
of
the
game
and
the
game
in
place.
A
To
have
token
engineering
comments,
funds,
the
public
good
of
token
engineering
and
basically
we're
figuring
out
what
that
is.
A
So-
and
we
have
in
this
token
engineering
commons,
a
lot
of
working
groups
which
take
care
of
transparency,
for
example,
zaptomus
is
leading
that
working
group
or
lydia
is
leading
to
soft
governance,
meaning
the
people
side
and
how
do
those
people
make
decisions,
and
so
on
communications
right
tui
is
leading
that
with
jesse
so
and
the
omega
working
group
turns
out
will
be
the
place
for
the
token
engineering
community
in
a
sense
like
really
the
token
engineers
what
their
our
needs.
A
What
is
this
public,
good
and
and
two
things
that
really
stand
out
is
on
one
side:
the
the
diversity
of
token
engineering,
the
all
of
the
different
backgrounds
that
come
together
and
form
these
crypto
cryptoeconomics
flower?
How
do
we
nurture
that
diversity
and
enable
the
exchange
continuous
exchange
of
this
of
these
different
perspectives?
A
A
Know
how
how
we're
handling
it-
and
this
group
basically
is
around
figuring
that
out
putting
things
in
place
that
it
becomes
a
easier
and
a
thing
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
nurture
the
diversity
and
how
do
we
make
the
ethics
in
token
engineering
accessible
and
that's
a
big
question
actually
not
only
here
in
token
engineering,
but
also,
as
you
know,
and
in
ai,
for
example,
everywhere,
where
decision
making
is
automated
is
the
place
of
asking
for
whether
ethics
is
embedded
in
in
this
whole
process?
A
Hello,
hello!
How
are
you
hey,
hey?
I
just
gave
an
update
on
what
this
working
group
is
about
and
on
these
two
areas
that
we
identified
and
last
time
so
we
meet
bi-weekly.
A
That's
another
challenge.
Yeah.
A
Track
from
two
weeks
to
two
weeks,
right,
yes,
and
just
one
more
thing
as
an
update,
for
example,
we
had
today
this
session
and
90
minutes
long
and
I'll
share
the
video
recording
as
well.
It
was
about
the
trans-disciplinary
art
of
token
engineering
and
we
had
sherman
and
trent
there
from
the
beginnings
was
them
who
did
curate
the
cryptoeconomics
journal
two
years
ago
or
almost
three
years
ago.
So
it
was
super
interesting
insightful.
A
F
A
Exactly
so
again,
that's
where
we're
at
we
have
the
token
engineering
commons
working
group
proposal.
I
think
there
we
could
look
over
and
and
improve
a
few
things,
but
maybe
today,
let's.
A
Let's
get
to
the
point
about
the
manifesto,
what
we
want
to
last
time.
Lydia
also
mentioned
that
we
have
the
opportunity
or
we
should
take
the
opportunity
and
make
from
this
group
really
research
proposals
to
token
engineering
commons,
one
or
two
and
basically,
if
you
could
make
a
round
of-
and
please
share
anything
you
have
in
mind,
I'm
sure
there
is
something
that
brought
you
here
as
and
basically
I
would
like
to
collect
in
this
round.
A
Then
the
topics
that
stand
out
in
you
know:
ethics
of
token
engineering
and
or
the
transdisciplinarity
of
token
engineering.
What
we
need
and
what
type
of
research
proposal
we
could
create
to
be
potentially
funded
through
token
engineering
commons.
Of
course,
it
would
be
good
if
we
come
up
with
something
that
we
would.
We
are
motivated
to
pursue,
with
or
without
funding
in
a
sense,
because
we
can,
you
know,
come
together
and
if
we
wrap
our
heads
around,
we
know
that's
going
to
be
something
we
can
make
use
of
in
our
everyday
lives
in
the
space.
A
As
well
cool,
let's
see,
do
you
wanna?
Do
you
wanna
go
next,
maybe
also
from
you
know
what
you
had
you.
You
wanted
to
start
with
this
knowledge
hub.
Maybe
that
is
a
first
thing
we
could
also
propose.
Maybe
so
please
share
what
you.
F
Have
in
mind
yeah
I've
been
like
it's
not
super
interesting
to
you.
Do
you
have
all
these
tools
put
together
in
in
some
kind
of
structured
way,
if
we
can
say
so,
because
what
we
we
are
all
sharing,
our
our
knowledge
and
our
tools
in
our
information.
I
would
love
to
to
put
something
together
in
in
in
this
group
as
well
to
be
able
to
explain
in
in
a
structure
or
non-structural
fashion.
F
This
all
this
knowledge
we
we
are
sharing
across
all
these
all
these
domains
and
all
these
disciplines
so
yeah.
I
said
this
can
be
a
very
good
proposal
from
from
omega
and
having
in
mind
that
we
are
omega
again
and
we
are
trying
to
to
put
together
something
that
is
doing
sense,
making
across
all
the
gift
of
flowers
and-
and
I
would
love
to
yes
to
proposal
to
to
to
over
here.
A
So
something
like
our
con
little
consilience
consilience
project
within
token
engineering.
F
Like
this
process,
we
have,
I
think,
in
all
the
discussions
or
all
the
debates
and
all
these
magnificent
story
sharing
that
we
are
doing,
because
we
are
all
all
the
storytellers
at
the
same
time
that
we
are
doing
all
these
fantastic
research
so
yeah.
I
would
love
to
have
this
kind
of
process
and
journey
and
say:
okay.
This
is
as
well
a
journey.
We
we
there's
nothing
deterministic
again
about
this.
A
D
Thanks
the
the
omega
the
the
foundation
structure
of
the
of
the
community
is
is
one
of
my
favorite
topics
of
research,
as
you
know,
on
the
three
folding
and
all
that
stuff,
so
I'm
always
trying
to
find
ways
to
introduce
that
knowledge
and
refolding
is
a
social
organ.
It's
a
way
of
representing
the
social
organism,
consists
of
three
spheres
that
come
together
and
balancing
those
three
spheres
together.
D
F
D
Up
as
we
speak,
but
it
basically
allows
for
organic
way
of
of
decision
making,
which
is
based
on
natural
law.
Basically,
the
way
we
function
ourselves,
we
have,
in
a
nutshell,
is
inputs
coming
in
outputs,
going
out
and
and
the
intermediation
of
those
two
functions.
So
there's
three
functions
that
govern
every
pretty
much
every
organism
and
it's
input.
E
D
And
and
written
between
the
two,
the
rhythm
is
the
the
rhythm
between
the
two
is
the
legal
sphere.
The
one
that
comes
in
is
economics
and
the
one
that's
going
out
is
culture,
so
you
have
three
three
spheres
and
then
how
you
put
them
together,
mush
them
up
put
into
milkshake
and
drink
it
is,
is
what
I'm
trying
to
digest
into
into
this
world.
D
A
One
second
sebastian:
that's
also
super
cool,
so
if
you
want
to
share
also
with
with
this
working
group,
I'm
sure
you'll
get
some
feedback
as
well,
and
that's
in
that
regard
and
yeah
super
cool.
So
I
think
this.
D
C
Thanks
zepty
very
concise,
it's
good!
You
know
what
you
want,
that's
the
hard
part
often
so
for
me,
I
I'm
here
I'm
really
interested
in
exposing
myself
to
the
ethics
piece
being
now.
I've
actually
been
fortunate
to
discover
the
token
engineering
commons
and
this
community,
the
token
engineering
academy
early
on
last
october,
and
go
through
that
process
and
find
work.
C
So
we
have
people
who
are
coming
from
this.
Like
really
scrappy
mindset
of
how
can
I
catch
up?
How
can
I
gain
influence?
How
can
I
have
some
power?
How
can
I
have
autonomy,
and
that's
often
the
mindset
that
people
come
into
this
and
before
they
know
it?
C
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
our
mindsets
and
assume
we
like
be
able
to
put
ourselves
into
a
mode
where
we
just
forget
all
the
the
fud
right.
The
fear
and
uncertainty.
E
C
And
and
say:
okay:
well,
let's
assume
that
this
is
all
gonna
work
and
that
you
know
crypto
economics
is
going
to
take
over
the
world
and
these
systems
are
going
to
unlock
whole
new
levels
of
efficiency
and
coordination
and
decision
making.
Let's,
let's
assume
that
these
these
things
are
all
powerful,
then
with
those
assumptions,
then
it's
really
critical
at
these
early
stages
to
bake
in
the
ethics
at
the
very
beginning,
because
otherwise
it
might
be
too
late.
C
You
know
10
years
down
the
line
if
the
whole
world
is
running
on
crypto
systems
and
no
one
was
thinking
about
the
ethics,
then
there's
probably
no
going
back
at
that
point.
So
yeah
and-
and
I'm
I
mean
that's-
not
really
my
background-
I
I
did
a
degree
in
in
computer
science
and
there
was
an
optional
ethics
course
that
I
didn't
take
so
so,
and
even
even
during
my
master's,
I
I
actually
ta.
I
was
a
teaching
assistant
for
an
ethics
class.
C
So
that's
where
that's
the
only
exposure
that
I've
had
to
sort
of
studying
ethics
in
an
academic
sense
and
then
just
getting
some
of
it
through
the
ecosystems
value
flow
course.
With
the
moral
interface
to
or
the
interface
to
moral
philosophy,
so
I
I
want
to
support
that.
I
want
to
be
kind
of
a
voice
that
says
yeah.
I
think
ethics
is
really
important
in
the
industry
at
this
time
and
then
just
just
be
able
to
learn
it
for
myself
and
then
rebroadcast
and
communicate
those
messages.
A
Wonderful-
and
you
know
literally
that
course
was
my
ramp
up
to
learning
about
all
of
that.
A
So
so
literally
we
we
live,
hacked
the
course
and
input
this
whole
first
principle
thinking
just
because
this
person
came
into
token
engineering,
fabian,
fabian
and
he's
vanished
as
fast,
but
he
left
this
really
cool
cool
framework,
at
least
cool.
For
me,
as
a
computer
scientist
as
well,
who
didn't
hear
anything
about
ethics,
we
didn't
even
have
the
options
I
had
ethics
in
high
school.
I
thought
it
was
really
cool,
but
it
was
like
a
schedule
filler
for
people
who
don't
do.
A
Religion,
so
this
is
like
this
is
the
mindset
we're
coming
in
and
actually
it
is
really
cool
that
you
know
you're
the
type
of
people
who
are
like
okay,
you
know
if
this
thing
takes
off
and
if
this
becomes
a
global
coordination
machine
and
like
we
literally
computer,
scientists
are
becoming
the
the
policy
makers
are
legitimate
to
do
that
and
then
also
you
know,
are
we
you
know
when
I
started
this
literally,
it
was
with
you
all
harare,
last
year
january
2020,
where
he
said
you're
facing
philosophical
bankruptcy.
A
You
know,
and
we
think
humans
are
all
about
this
drama
of
decision
making
that's
human
life.
This
is
our
understanding.
A
So
what
is
human
life
going
to
be
if
decision
making
is
done
by
algorithms
and
I'm
like
okay
at
the
time
I
was
already
feeling
you
know,
uncomfortable
with
creating
all
of
these
policies
and
and
token
mechanics
incentives
into
a
project
which
is
super
wonderful,
but
it
fiddles
with
the
livelihoods
and
utility
infrastructures
of
people.
A
D
B
A
And
no
he's
so
he
he
left
the
is
that
for
sure
he's
currently
in
in
bali
and
resorting
life
basically
right
and
I'm
really
bullish
on
on
getting
him
back.
And
everyone
say
you
know:
fabian
come
back
to
chocolate,
we're
missing
you.
D
A
Yeah
he
he
was
really
cool
and
and
opened
a
lot
of
doors,
especially
also
through
that
course
kind
of-
and
you
know
just
hearing
the
same
thing
from
sean,
basically
that
it
did
something
it
triggered,
something
that
he
now
considers
to
be
worth
pursuing.
I
can
just
stay
the
same
yeah
so
greetings
to
fabian
a
lot
of
thanks
from
here,
and
then
we
definitely
want
to
carry
carry
this
on
in
in
one
way
or
the
the
other.
A
Yes
who's.
So.
G
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
something
really
quick
like
from
a
common
perspective
like
I've,
been
speaking
to
a
lot
of
communities,
especially
like
our
artists,
communities,
and
you
know
just
collectives
that
get
together
and
come
up
with
some
movies
and
or
musicians
that
get
together
and
like
come
up
with
like
their
own
gigs
and
stuff,
like
that.
G
So
naturally,
like
speaking
to
them
about
this
whole
thing
and
they're
like
no,
no
man
like
I
don't
want
to
get
into
crypto
like
I
I'm
not
a
technical
person,
and
it's
like.
Oh
my
god
like
like
you,
have
to
the
way
I
approach
it
is
that,
like
you,
guys
already
have
the
most
difficult
part,
which
is
being
a
community
of
people
that
have
common
goals.
G
That
is
actually
like
the
hard
part
like
just
giving
giving
your
community
like
web
3
tools
to
help
like
governance
and
stuff
like
that,
is
it's
like
the
easy
part,
but
I,
I
think
the
hard
part
is
finding
people
that
you
can
think
in
in
in
similar
ways
and
pursue
an
objective
together,
and
I
think
that
this
by
itself
already
has
a
lot
of
ethics
involved.
I
mean
this
needs
to
like
be
born
with
with
ethics.
G
So
my
like
the
way
I
would
put
it
is
like
from
a
token
engineering
perspective,
which
is
something
that
I've
been
like.
I've
been
knowing
how
to
like
artist
communities
thing
for
like
many
many
years,
but
I've
only
recently
like
started
like
thinking
how
the
token
engineering
perspective
approaches
this,
and
I
think
that
more
than
just
like
coming
up
with
like
guidelines
or
like
ethical,
like
regulations
or
limitations,
to
put
it
in
a
way.
G
I
I
I
I
personally
would
consider
that
the
token
engineering
roles
with
regarding
ethics
is
more
like
to
preserve
them,
because
these
communities
are
born
with
these
ethics
and
many.
E
G
Depending
on
their
cultural
background,
are
gonna
be
different
and
and
they're
they're
not
gonna,
like
agree
most
of
the
time,
but
if
token
engineering,
instead
of
like
funneling
like
towards
like
what
we
understand
of
ethics
and
and
just
try
to
like
present
the
tools
to
preserve
the
ethics
that
these
groups
are
born
with,
I
think,
might
be
like
closer
to
like
an
an
aligned
mission
for
for
token
engineers
to
like
serve
these
these
communities
yeah.
G
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
because
some
of
the
stuff
that
she
mentioned,
I
I
found
it
really
interesting
so
yeah
yeah
that
that
was
it
thanks.
A
Cool,
do
you
do
you
have
an
idea
like,
especially
also
from
you
know
how
far
these
these
worldviews
can
be
apart
within
those
communities
and
a
purely
technical
community,
for
example,
you
know
we
had
this.
We
we
have
this,
the
science
scientism,
almost
and
religious
belief
in
science
and
the
scientific
method
and
oftentimes
that
you
know
discards
or
doesn't
include
the
observer.
A
A
Do
you
also
from
communications?
Do
you
see
you
know?
Yes,
there
is
this
gap,
but
then
actually
it's
worth
you
know
coming
up
with
ways.
You
know
when
you
say
preserving
their
ethos
or
a
community's
ethos,
but
then
with
tools
or
with
insights,
and
also
with
the
awareness
that
there
is
these
things
to
be
preserved.
As
a
token
engineer,
just
don't
just
come
in
and
say
this
is
how
things
are
done,
but
you
know
what
type
of
ways
and
what
type
of
communications
could
we
have
do?
G
I
I
I
like
I,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
gonna
answer
the
question,
but
it's
just
like
a
thought
that
I
had
so
to
put
an
example:
what
are
movie
credits
for
like
if,
if,
like
speaking
more
creatively,
so
what
a
movie
credits
work
for?
So
you
go
back
in
time
and
see
us
okay.
So
how
are
movies
and
like
history
of
cinema
and
stuff,
like
that?
G
So
as
soon
as
money
like
was
an
issue
there
as
soon
as
they
started
like
getting
industry
and
people
started
attending
movies,
it
was
very
like
relevant
to
have
your
name
up
there.
Why?
G
Because,
if
I
was
part
of
this
movie
and
if
I
was
part
of
this
project,
if
it
was
either
like
producing
it
or
making
coffee
like
whatever
you
were
a
part
of
that
and
there's
like
an
ethical
background
to
this
because
like
people
were,
were
like
trying
to
get
like
more
more
work
into
the
industry
and
they
wanted
to
get
more
involved
in
it,
but
then
like
as
time
passes
by
like
this
starts
evolving
in
other
ways.
G
So
originally
it
was
intended
to
communicate
that
someone
was
participating
in
contributing
and
and
this
is
why
they
could
get
like
professional
benefits.
G
But
then
the
time
started,
passing
by
and
then
even
like
credits
are
even
like
an
aesthetic
resource
nowadays,
like
so
the
names
that
go
there,
don't
matter
as
much
as
the
after
credits
at
the
end
of
the
avengers
movie
or
like.
G
If
you
want
to
have
like
some
bloopers
on
the
side
and
just
like
keep
people
a
little
bit,
and
no
one
really
cares
about
those
names
like
even
if,
like
if
you
take
netflix
or
you
take
like
amazon
or
any
of
this
streaming
platforms
as
soon
as
the
credits
started,
rolling
in
they're
like
okay
watch
this
next,
like
these
people,
don't
matter
and-
and
I
mean
like
it-
it
just
like-
it
seems
that
it's
a
right
time
to
change
so
yeah
like,
for
example
like
it
occurs.
G
Instead
of,
like
you
know,
like
a
selection
group
of
people
that
are
gonna
like
pick
stuff
based
on
like
that,
whatever
so
like
thinking
about
that
like
if
you
came
up
with
a
decentralized
film
like
if
you
get
together
with
a
group
of
people,
and
you
all
have
like
the
same
like
inspiration
or
whatever,
and
then
you
make
a
film
and
you
start
distributing
that
film,
would
you
like
put
out
there
like
every
name
just
like
in
an
old
school
way,
or
you
could
even
like
go
back
and
and
say
that
just
just
one
critic,
you
know
it's
like
the
end,
like
retro
style
like
like,
like
the
casablanca
day.
G
So
just
like
the
end,
this
film
was
made
by
this
community
and
the
way
you're
known
professionally
is
because
you
have
a
role
in
this
community.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
like
the
the
name
doesn't
even
matter
because
it's
gonna
like
redefine
it,
the
process
is
going
to
redefine
itself
and
it's
not
going
to
be
a
vertical
structure
like
us
as
we
know
it
right
now.
G
G
So
the
essence
of
things
like
when
it
changes
it
just
changes
the
whole
thing
and
if
you
go
back
in
time
and
you
study
like
the
the
the
history
of
cinema,
which
is
one
of
like
the
most
like
recent,
like
forms
of
art,
we're
not
really
like
developed
as
in,
like
I
don't
know
like
paintings,
you
know
like
we
have
centuries
of
paintings
and
we
barely
have
a
century.
So
we're
still
rediscovering
and
coming
up
with
all
these
things,
and
most
of
these
things
are
based
in
in
in
ethical
issues.
G
A
Perfect,
so
just
just
a
few
comments
and
I'm
sure
we
will
get
back
to
you.
So
there
was
this
writing
of
jay
pearson.
I'm
gonna
share
this.
It
was
about
you
know,
organization,
man.
There
was
something
written
in
1930s
or
so
about.
You
know
how
this
man
makes
a
living
in
this
new
society
that
is
pretty
ordered
and
he
wrote
blockchain
man
and
at
the
end
of
it
anyways
he
he
makes
a
reference
to
that.
A
We
might
have
now
the
opportunity
to
actually
organize
like
huge
film
crews
that
do
right
they
get
together.
They
do
create
something
then
that
works
like
this.
Film
is
produced
the
token
network,
the
smart
contracts
are
produced
and
that's
gonna
run
and
literally
the
the
credits
or
even
be
reused.
Parts
of
it
be
reused,
and
you
can
have
this
fractal
attribution
or
fractal
credits
if
you
will
right
so
these
are
the
things
definitely
we're
moving
into.
A
I
don't
know
how
many
like
I
had
today
only
today
three
different
conversations
on
this
and
it's
going
to
this
new
type
of
mutual
credit.
If
you
will,
if
you
want
to
say
that,
but
it
also
sounds
too
old
and
then
so
we're
definitely
moving
toward
that
and
the
ethos.
As
you
said,
it's
about
you
know,
credits
sharing,
the
credit,
but
also
sharing
the
cost
and
the
risk
and
also
the
vision.
These
are
all
organizational
things
as
well.
Like
the
you,
you
find
this
in
the
in
the
basics
of
organizational
theory.
A
I'm
sure
sebastian
would
have
another
hour
to
add.
I
don't
know
from
associated
economics
and
so
on.
So
I
think
this
is
the
the
right
place
and
again
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
use
to
make
use
of
coming
together
in
this
group
and
then
help
with
these
like
are
we
talking
about?
Also,
maybe
you
know
considering
all
of
the
ways
to
be
to
to
do
to
create
these
fluid
organizations
that
can
come
together
and
then
go
back
again.
A
The
tooling
can
help,
but
also
the
mindset
is
important
like
how
do
we
share
that
that
starts
from
such
an
area.
So
I
think
we
definitely
something
and
I'm
sure
I'll
get
back
to
the
recording
of
this
session
and
also
share
those
those
links
that
resonated
a
lot
actually.
A
And
then
lydia,
I
think
we
are,
I
hope,
we're
not
confusing
you
because,
as
things
go,
everyone
works
on
many
levels
and
everything
seems
connected.
So
we
we
are
very
associated,
but
lydia
comes
with
a
research
background
is
actually
interested
in
all
of
the
complexities.
You
know
there
is
so
yeah.
Please
share.
H
H
So
I
mean
my
I
mean
my
background,
as
I
already
said
is
in
anthropology
and
peace
research.
So
I
would
say
it's
like
a
completely
different
background
and
maybe-
but
I
think
it's
also
very
relevant
to
have
I
mean
also
like
this
trans-disciplinary
or
multi-disciplinary
approach,
and-
and
I
mean
also
the
topic
of
ethics-
is
really
really
important,
both
for
anthropological
research
and
me
also.
My
research
focuses
on
I'm
researching
with
really
conflict
affected,
let's
say
vulnerable
community,
so
I
mean
outside
of
this
project.
H
So
I
think
that,
like
these
are
questions
that
are
really
really
important,
I
mean
not
just
for
let's
say
the
token
engineering,
but
also
for
research,
and
then
I'm
also
involved
in
peace
work
and
there.
Of
course,
it
is
also
important
to
have
let's
say,
to
follow
conflict,
sensitive
approaches
to
have
some
kind
of
do
not
harm
approaches
and
to
also
proceed
very,
let's
say
ethically,
and
I
think
let's
say
if
you
speak
about,
let's
say
my
own
research
contribution
or
what
what
I'm
imagine
I
mean.
H
So
I
would
like
to
have
like
this
kind
of
discussion
we
are
having
now,
let's
say
for,
or
to
organize
this
kind
of
discussion,
maybe
also
with
people
from
outside
this
working
group.
Oh,
my
god,
we
have
some
kind
of
either
focus
group
discussion,
so
kind
of
group
discussion,
both
maybe
like
one
idea,
could
be
to
have
some
kind
of
forum,
but
also
to
have
some
kind
of
let's
say,
talks
discussion
rounds,
maybe
in
a
bit
more
structured
ways
and
to
exchange
like
what
we
were
doing
now
but
exchange
okay.
H
What
does
what
means
also
ethic
a
tickler
brand
from
like
the
token
engineers
and
what
is
also
their
experience
in
this
in
this
area,
like
also
what
you
were
sharing,
maybe
also
from
it's,
like
your
educational
background,
your
socialization
and
and
then
I'm
also
either
like
also
interested
in
decision
making
and
also
there's
this
working
group
of
gravity.
So
what
people
understand
as
conflict
and
which
kind
of
conflict
mechanism
they're
developing?
H
And
yes,
I
think
this.
This
is
the
like
of
contribution
and-
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
in
the
end-
that
I
really
like
this
participatory
approach
and
like-
and
I
think
also
I
cannot
really
point
out
more
to
more
specific
topics,
because
I
feel
I'm
really
new
and
I
think
I'm
for
my
position.
H
I
cannot
identify
like
the
topics
that
are
relevant
so
so
I
think
I
will
also
like
like
to
discuss
this
together
with
you
and
to
let's
say
because
yeah
as
we
as
you
all
already
said,
ethics,
maybe
it's
also
very
broad
topic.
So
it
could
be
awesome.
He
would
be
the
focus
more
on
this.
Yes,
this
is
what
I
see
as
my
potential
contribution.
F
Right,
like
the
challenges
we
were
identifying
at
the
very
beginning,
so
we
are
omega.
We
are
going
back
to
alpha
all
the
time,
so
I
think
those
kind
of
research
topics
are
really
something
we
want
to
tackle
in
in
this
group
as
well,
so
that
maybe
can
be
trickled
down
into
more
specific
things.
F
I
don't
know
if,
through
research
or
focus
groups
or
yes,
making
this
kind
of
a
shared
knowledge
in
this
consumer's
group
in
okay,
we
we
we
are
trying
to
to
to
go
and
and
to
and
to
put
together
all
these
kind
of
of
knowledge.
So,
as
you
say,
we
we
don't
want
to
be
like
only
the
scientists,
only
the
token
engineers,
only
the
anthropologists
or
all
the
lawyers
or
the
designers.
F
A
Exactly
and
just
a
question
lydia
so
when
you
say
I
am
assuming
I
I
think
you
you
have
an
arsenal
of
of
tools
and
how
to
handle
such
such.
So
when
you
say
forum
or
focus
groups,
there
is
a
way
of
doing
this
type
of
discussion.
So
actually,
at
the
end
there
is
you
know
the
synthesis
of
knowledge.
B
H
You
mean
the
synthesis
of
knowledge,
so
so,
for
example,
we
do
the
focus
group
and
then
like
I
mean
yes,
I
think
this
is
also
something
we
can
discuss
and
I
would
like
I
would
prefer,
but
then
it
also
depends
to
have
some
kind
of
also
participatory
other
collection,
but
also
data
analyzers.
Now
so
this
could
be.
H
I
mean
this
also
depends,
of
course,
on
let's
say
the
time,
resource
and
snow,
but
I
mean
it
would
be
good
if,
for
example,
if
you
have
the
opportunity
to
prepare
together,
these
focus
groups
then
to
conduct
them
together
and
then
to
analyze
them
together,
because
this
is
also
in
a
participatory
way
and
of
course
I
could
somehow
prepare
a
bit
like
prepare
this.
But
yes,
I
mean.
A
No
yeah
yeah,
we
can
do
it
participatory,
but
if
you
say
like,
if
we
had
this
structure
where
you
know
this
is
basically
the
structure
is
for
actually
getting
insights
out
in
a
way
that
is
comparable
or
where
we
know
that
we
have
actually
really
captured
all
participating
world
views.
That
would
be
perfect
because,
as
you
know
at
where
it
is
from
from
my
side,
it's
very
hand-wavy,
you
know
even
the
questions
that
we
put
together
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
I
think
lettie
and
michelle
were
the
ones
who
who
who
had
more
insights
into
how
to
form
this.
But
if
we
actually,
you
know,
get
in
inputs
from
you
how
we
should
go
about.
You
know
these
focus
groups
to
around
this
ethical
engineering
or
diversity
capturing
the
the
essence
that
we
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
you
know,
scientific
would
be,
would
be
cool.
A
Okay,
peter,
do
you
want
to
share
something
yeah.
I
Yeah,
I
don't
probably
have
a
ton
to
contribute.
I
would
say
that
I,
like
my
background,
is
just
that.
I
am
an
aspiring
token
engineer.
I
found
the
community
a
couple
months
ago
and
have
been
poking
around.
I've
also
been
collaborating
with
sean
on
some
some
work
at
his
company,
and
I
mean
I'm
just
like
still
super
enthusiastic
and
excited
to
learn
as
much
as
I
can
about
token
engineering
and
ethics.
I
think,
is
a
huge
piece
of
that.
I've
never
taken
any
formal
education
and
in
ethics.
I
So
didn't
study
engineering
wasn't
even
an
option
in
my
courses,
unfortunately,
but
I
think
it's
yeah,
I
think
it's
really
important.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
might
have
been
missed
or
left
in
the
dust
when
web
2
took
over
with
such
great
speed
and
yeah.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
think
it's
a
question
of
like
if
it's
more
of
when
web
3
takes
over
and
starts
really
running
a
lot
of
our
lives
or
being
a
big
part
of
it.
I
I
F
It's
also
for
my
education
about
ethics.
It's
like
we
were
talking
about
filmmaking.
How
did
you
do
a
structure
curriculum
for
filmmaking?
How
do
you
do
a
structural
curriculum
for
ethics?
I
don't,
I
don't,
think,
that's
possible
in
any
way
so
yeah
we're
trying
to
comprehend
that
this
social
knowledge-
it
is
not
social
in
the
same
sense
that
we
are
approaching
the
scientific
knowledge.
F
So
I
think
that
bringing
that
and
thinking
about
that
in
in
this
deep
senses,
we
can
all
agree
with.
A
Cool
yeah
yeah,
exactly
super
cool,
and
basically
you
know
what
I
also
liked
about
this
this
approach
and
why
I
even
dared
to
pick
it
up
what
fabian
had
brought
in
back
then
in
october.
Not
that
long
was
it
wasn't
descriptive.
It
wasn't,
it
wasn't
prescriptive,
it
wasn't
like
ten
commandments
or
these
are
the
eight.
A
You
know
rules
even
you
know,
astrum's
principles.
You
know
that
or
these
principles
and
these
are
given-
and
they
might
be-
you
know
true
in
in
one
setting
in
one
context,
but
you
can't
just
take
things
out
of
context,
especially
models
same
through
for
four
principles.
If
they
are,
you
know
if
they're,
reflecting
the
ethos
of
one
community,
for
example,
you
might
not
be
able
to
just
rip
them
off
and
plant
them
in
another
community
and
that's
going
to
be
hope,
it's
not
going
to
be
harmful.
A
So
I
think
this
is
where
we
are
coming
back
to
like.
Okay,
it's
quite
easy.
Ethics
do
not
harm
you're
on
the
safe
side,
then,
but
then
engineering
is
all
about
trade-offs.
We
don't
have-
or
I
don't
know
unless
you
have
a
law
background,
no.
F
Like
yeah,
but
I'm
thinking,
because
all
this
day
we
have
had
these
conversations
about
all
these
frameworks
and
you're,
bringing
out
the
four
principles
and
the
eight
word
views,
maybe
and-
and
we
have
to
remember-
that
we
have
these
fractal
ethos
and
these
fractalities
are
organic
as
well
and
synthetic.
F
And
yes,
I
think
we
can
transport
that
into
several
communities
and
I'm
thinking
about
himself,
which
is
universal
and
that
can
be
brought
about.
In
any
conversation,
you
have
a
key
insight
in
in
the
west,
something
they
use
and
I
think
that's
the
first
place.
Well
sometimes
we
when,
when
it
comes
to
engineering,
so
if
you
design
or
engineer
with
a
him
sign
on
violence
in
mind
you,
you
cannot
spoil
that
in
in
in
to
any
community
in
a
way.
A
Yeah,
please
no,
no
violence,
ahimsa,
yeah,
exactly
and
also
we
we
have
this
non-violent
communication
was
going
around
and
so
on.
So
I
think
these
are.
These
are
the
things
that
we
want
to
touch
upon.
Make
that
practical
for
people
who
really
have
to?
I
don't
know
if
you
ever
were
in
a
token
sale
involved.
A
If
not
you
can
you
can
read
andre
crunches,
you
know
medium
rants.
He
has
a
point.
You
know
it's
it's
more.
Like
the
fight
of
you
know
survival
wherever
you
don't.
Maybe
you
lose
your
ethics
even
in
such
a
fine.
I
don't
know
like
I'm
really.
How
do
you
call
my
my
my
respect
grows
more
and
more,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
we
can't
I
don't
wanna,
you
know
if
we
say
this
is
going
to
be
the
infrastructure
of
our
digital
communities
or
information
era.
A
Society
like
I,
don't
want
to
live
in
this
society
where
it's
about
you
know,
number
go
up.
Lumber
go
down.
Have
you
survived,
you
know,
did
you
lose
your
last
shirt?
Was
your
house
tokenized
and
you
know
not
your
keys,
not
your
house.
A
A
Literally,
when
do
you
know
like
what
are
the
we're
talking
about
crypto
economics
patterns
and
so
on,
like
things
or
best
practices,
things
that
you
can
just
deploy
and
say
all
will
be
good,
but
they
don't
take
any
any
type
of
not
even
handholding,
but
any
type
of
consideration
about.
You
know
the
outcomes
of
the
decisions
that
are
being
made
and
implemented
as
a
smart
contract
logic
and
deployed
on
a
blockchain
and
where
everyone
can
trigger
and
interact
with
that
smart
contract
unintended
consequences
right.
A
And
what
do
we?
What
do
we
do
yeah
once
detected?
What
do
we
do
and,
as
a
token
engineer,
I
don't
know,
have
you
ever
been
in
this
situation?
Where
it's
more
like?
Can
you
do
this?
Can
you
do
that?
Can
you
do
this?
Can
you
make
this
wiggle
this
way
or
that
way,
what
are
the
knobs
and
the
simplest
thing
is?
Can
you
make
the
number
go
up?
No
like
I
could,
but.
A
Yeah,
like
that,
there
might
be
consequences.
You
know
there
is
this.
I
will
share
that
as
well
like
this
expert
there's
this
video,
like
I'm
an
expert
of
course
I
can
do
anything
so
this
type
of
daily
lives
of
of
engineers
out
there
today.
How
can
we
make
this?
Whatever
we
are
coming
up
out
with
insights?
How
can
we
make
this
really
practical
for
really
day-to-day
decision
making
as
a
tonkin
engineer,
meaning
you're
somewhat
in
charge
of
making
the
decisions
of
a
token
design
of
a
community?
A
How
do
you
involve
the
community?
How
do
you
know
you're
legit?
How
do
you
know
they
know
what
you
have
come
up
with
and
you
know
in
token
engineering
commons?
It's
like
we're
saying
your
choice,
your
economy,
your
choice,
but
we
only
give
parameters
to
tune
like
okay
and
we
hope
to,
but
but
everyone
knows
we're
dog
footing.
You
know
these
are
the
first
designs.
These
are
the
first
things
that
we
are
creating
in
this
best
practice.
A
So
basically,
that's
also
an
interesting
point
to
to
look
at
okay.
A
So,
first
of
all,
thanks
a
lot.
I
think
this
participatory
round
was
super
helpful
for
me
to
also
see
this
was
also
the
first
round
where
I
really
feel
like
this
is
the
omega
group
perfect
makeup
with
the
backgrounds
law,
economics
anthropology,
your
communication,
arts,
as
software
engineers
right
super
cool.
We
have
the
token
engine
commons
working
group
leads
and
so
on.
A
That
would
be
fantastic.
If
you
can,
you
know,
make
time
every
every
two
weeks
and
and
join,
and
I
would
like
to
find
a
way,
hopefully
with
the
help
of
lydia
how
we
can
prepare
these
calls,
maybe
in
a
way
that
is
helpful
with
structuring
inputs
and
structuring
outputs
or
having
an
output.
That
is
useful,
usable
yeah,
so
I
would
definitely
say
lydia
we
find
a
way
to
maybe
have
a
working
session
as
we
call
it,
and
I
would
just
also
invite
everyone
else
who's
interested
to
to
join.
A
But
maybe
we
really
just
see
like
I'm
really
curious
about
you
know,
maybe
also
what
is
overlapping
with
your
research
focus.
So
you
know
that
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
recommend
everyone
like
try
to
come
or
contribute
with
something
that
you're
doing
anyways
and
then
basically
feel
yeah
like
the
action
is
the
reward
in
a
sense
that
we
start
things
that
we
know
we
can
sustain
out
of
our
own
energy.
A
But
definitely
we
will
go
for
a
token
engineering,
commons
proposal
as
well,
and
maybe
when,
when
we
have
lydia's
input
also,
we
can
create
a
a
proposal,
but
definitely
we
have
what
I
call
the
the
low
hanging
fruit
proposals
which
I
know
that
are
going
to
be
super
helpful.
A
Our
research
like
this
consilient
thing
right.
We
should
definitely
do
that.
We
have
from
all
of
the
sense
making
sessions
we
had
until
now.
We
have.
We
have
enough
input
to
make
this
proposal.
So
that's
one
thing
letty.
A
F
A
And
in
lydia
I
think
your
your
colleague
also
wanted
to
join
at
some
time
right.
H
A
We
can
I
I
could
yeah
like
in
two
weeks
same
time,
but
in
between,
I
would
suggest
that
we
have
a
working
session
around
this
research,
capturing
the
research
topic
and
our
method
at
the
release
and
see
whether
we
can
make
a
proposal
out
of
it.
I
think
we
need
a
better
exchange
there
or
one
more
exchange.
I
would
say
just
on
that.
A
And
yeah
like
if
you,
if
you
want
to
suggest
a
time
that
works
for
you
maybe
next
week,
we
could
try
and
lock
the
dates
just
now,
for
example,.
A
So
I'm
looking
at
are
you.
F
F
No,
maybe
for
the
big
weekly,
it's
fine
to
keep
this
one,
because
maybe
it's
more
okay,
yeah,
the
the
environment
is
more
worthy
to
do
that
and
if
we
have
next
week
it
can
be
earlier
for
the
world.
Earlier.
The.
A
Working
session,
okay,
see
yeah.
I
was
yeah
yeah
okay,
so
I
was
just
about
to
suggest
two
dates,
for
example,
that
would
work
work
for
me,
for
example,
next
week,
tuesday
and
wednesday,
between
1
p.m
and
2
p.m,
cet
for
the
working
session,
and
especially
letty
and
and
lydia.