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A
We
were
predetermined
to
cross
paths
with
george,
obviously
there's
just
so
much
resonance
going
on
sean
made.
It
perfect
hello,
sean
john.
A
Yes,
steph
is
from
motion,
bao,
dance
tech
and
they're,
creating
their
own
dao
on
near
at
this
moment
and
they've
been
following
along
along
the
ecosystem,
value
flows,
creation
as
well,
I'm
just
introducing
everyone
as
they
move
in,
because
we
have
george
here
and
he
will
give
a
short
intro
as
well
to
himself
that
I
don't
know
if
you'll
hear
it
from
my
voice
and
then
yeah
manu
is
also
very
active
in
token
engineering,
commons
and
in
multiple
working
groups
and
he's
also
providing
a
practice
session
based
on
the
capabilities
approach.
A
Maybe
george
knows
that
so,
and
we
have
a
few
newcomers
this
evening,
maybe
coming
for
the
token
engineering,
consilience
library
I
don't
know
welcome.
Are
you
going
to
share
jeremy.
A
No
no
say
hello
and
if
you
want
to
share
what
brought
you
here
please
and
if
not
it's
okay,
to
just
hear
along.
D
Yeah,
so
I
was
just
first
answering
the
question
to
myself
what
the
is
the
omega
working
group
about.
So
there's
some.
I
noticed.
I
have
some
particular
curiosity
and
then
I
found
some
stuff
and
thought.
Okay.
D
A
So
cool
tonight's
gonna
be
a
good
session.
I
think
one
hour
won't
be
enough
so
and
tonight
is
all
so
again
about
token
engineering,
ethics
and
me
now
as
a
george
many
have
joined,
maybe
you
give
a
short
intro,
also
the
venue
where
we
met
just
last
week
and
your
yeah.
What's
that
your
research
basically
brought
you
here,
would
you
like
to
share
a
bit.
C
Yeah
well,
thank
you
for
inviting
me.
I
I
tried
to
catch
up
with
some
of
your
documents
and
I
feel
very
I'm
really
very
impressed
by
the
word.
C
I
feel
that
it's
very
important
not
only
for
token
engineering
but
the
omega
network
around
the
focus
groups
and
it's
a
very
trail
based
trailblazing
for
the
whole
global
ecosystem
of
transformation.
C
I
mean
social
transformation
because
the
issues
that
you
are
addressing
they
are
widely
unknown,
like
the
the
difference
between
the
consequences
and
the
unintended
consequences,
unintended
consequences
of
tokens
and
how
rapidly
you
can
learn
about
that
gap
that
in
sunder
one
of
the
documents
I
read
that
we
all
have
to
catch
up
with
that.
But
the
truth
is
that
nobody
can
catch
up.
Nobody
can
keep
track
of
that
alone.
So
that's
why
the
that's
why
I
am
attracted
to
the
group,
because
my
middle
name
is
collective
intelligence.
E
C
I've
been
a
researcher
of
self-organizing
collective
intelligence
for
30
40
years,
and
I'm
totally
excited
about
what
is
happening
nowadays
when
the
large
and
multiple
social
movements
for
profound
change
need
the
kind
of
enabling
infrastructures
tools
that
daw
blockchain
that
tree
can
offer
to
them.
So
my
research,
the
research
of
my
center
of
action
research,
is
focused
on
enlivening
large
scale
systems
change,
and
that
is
not
that
wouldn't
be
possible.
C
C
People
who
are
working
with
technologies
these
needs
to
come
together
and
that's
my
passion,
that's
my
that's
the
focus
of
my
generative
action
research
and
for
this
session
right
here.
I
am
here
in
a
in
a
learning
world,
so
most
mostly
just
listening,
and
if
and
when
the
question
of
learning
society.
C
A
Thank
you
george.
I
hope
we
will
have
you
along
and
also
your
intro
question
in
the
chat
was
basically
remind
me
again.
What
is
the
process
around
focus
groups,
and
we
started
this
with
with
the
rough
idea
that
we
wanted
to
cherish
and
nurture
the
diversity
that
we
have
in
token
engineering
and
this
cryptoeconomics
flower
that
you
saw
is
basically
the
starting
point
where
we
started
sensing,
that
that
is
where
the
value
is.
A
And
and
basically
that
was
it,
if
you
will,
we
started.
A
A
How
come
that
so
many
people
across
the
world
with
different
world
views
find
their
ways
to
token
engineering
and
they
find
the
or
there
they
find
a
common
language
or
they're
very
much
motivated
to
do
so,
and
that
diversity,
question
or
fascination
grew
even
bigger,
where
we
realized
it's
not
about
really
backgrounds
nationalities
where
people
live,
but
really
also
how
they
feel
themselves,
how
they
sense.
And,
interestingly,
we
have
quite
a
few
if
you
take
it
as
a
sample
size
considerably.
A
It's
not
a
surprise
to
me,
because
many
of
the
founders
of
token
engineering
are
literally
polymath
who
are
functioning
very
well
if
you
will,
but
that's
what
brought
us
together
and
in
the
beginning
we
had
lydia,
who
is
a
peace
researcher,
and
she
helped
us
with
this
input.
A
Basically,
methods
from
social
science-
and
I
had
mentioned
to
you,
george-
I
feel
always
like
episodical
trespasser
or
that's
what
we
call
when
we're
when
we
have
to
move
into
into
domains
where
we
are
no
experts,
but
we
know
that
we
need
input
from
there.
A
We
go
and
try
to
connect
to
people
who
who
can
who
are
from
that
background
and
what
we
do
is
really
to
show
the
potential
of
what
is
here
and
hope
they
come
along
to
the
right
and
lydia.
A
At
the
very
least
in
the
beginning,
she
helped
basically
come
up
with
them
with
the
focus
groups
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we
just
did
one
and
one
focus
group
with
token
engineers
who
are
in
the
trenches
who
are
active
and
also
who
are
in
projects
that
are
decentralizing
so
who
feel
those
different
realization
pains
if
you
will
and,
for
example,
sean
was
also
one
of
the
participants
of
that
first
focus
group,
if
you
want,
or
if
anyone
also
from
the
new
participant
now
I'll
share
this
again
the
link,
but
this
is
the
one
and
only
that
we
did
until
now,
we
felt
how
that
could
work.
A
I
wouldn't
say
it
was
conducted
perfectly,
but
the
trespasser
we
did
a
good
enough
job
to
actually
find
out
some
principles
that
we
can
say.
These
are
token
engineering
principles
that
we
hear
or
that
that
we
can
recognize
from
a
question
that
is
really
tough
like.
How
do
you
deal
in
in
situations
where
you
have
an
ethical
dilemma?
As
a
token
engineer,
there
was,
for
example,
situations
where
you
know
the
show
must
go
on
in
a
sense.
You
have
to
deliver
you
committed
to
approach,
they
had
you
on
board.
A
Or
even
there
you
can
actually
feel
the
ethical
dilemma
of
getting
into
a
community
dropping
a
design
and
then
moving
away
without
having
been
able
to
share
with
the
community
the
the
tools
and
the
knobs
and
everything
that
they
are
going
to
actually
take
care
of
after
you
have
left
etcetera.
A
So
these
can
be
found
in
the
video
called
chad
mirrorboard.
But
from
that
what
we
created.
A
Is
is
the
the
extraction
of
those
ethical
principles
and
also
suitable
with
those
basically
practice
sessions
from
the
full
actions
in
omega?
A
Who
really
care
for
for
the
underlying
question,
and
also
who
are
deep
in
researching
for
methods
and
frameworks
that
can
be
suitable,
for
example,
the
toasting
of
multiple
different
worldviews?
That's
something
that.
A
Dynamics
into
into
te
philosophy,
so
I
am
sure
you
will
have
a
have
a
good
get
to
know
each
other
when
the
two
of
you
meet,
maybe
you
can.
You
would
want
to
join
those
sessions
as
well
in
their
preparation,
for
example,.
A
Also,
someone
like
lydia
people
with
active
research
could
make
so
much
more
use
of
the
data
and
likely
are
also
incentivized
if
you
will,
and
also
capable
right
to
make
to
make
those
focus
groups
and
and
facilitate
them
and
also
document
those
focus
groups
that
they're
properly
conducted
the
data
is
taken
care
of
and
so
on.
So
these
are
that's
the
topic
and
one
more
thing.
A
Maybe
then
we
can
have
around
of
where
each
one
can
add
what
you're
currently
hearing
and
then
whatever
that
triggers,
but
one
also
the
next
question
or
the
next
step
would
be
to
continue.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
quite
a
lot
to
do
now,
as
as
facilitator
as
the
people
who
could
pick
up,
but
we
would
also
love
to
continue
with
the
focus
groups
and
from
the
start,
we
have
focus
groups,
topics
that
we
had
collected.
A
You
see
them
here.
Basically,
the
the
life
cycle
going
through
a
token,
can
economy
life
cycle.
If
you
know
what
type
of-
and
that
goes
well
with
the
kinofin
framework,
I
think
that
was
an
idea.
Then
stories
of
communication
learning
society-
I
mean
hello.
A
It
is
creating
standards,
but
the
factor
standard
that's
emerged
through
experimentation
and
through
yes,
sharing,
and
that
goes
so
fast-
that
literally
people,
even
in
the
know,
are
surprised
about
things
that
take
off.
For
example,
nfc
surprised
everyone,
while
everyone
was
in
the
trenches
of
this
d5
craze
that
started
in
2020
and
is
still
continuing.
A
Then,
of
course,
diversity.
As
I
had
mentioned,
it
has
many
many
dimensions,
many
interesting
dimensions.
Those
are
the
topics
that
we
have
collected.
What
we
could
do
is
we
can
go
through
them
and
exchange
or
what
interests
you?
What
you
think
is
important
from
the
participants
to
decide.
Maybe
what
should
be
the
next
topic
we
take
on
and
for,
let
me
see
who
is
for
george.
A
A
That
would
be
the
next
next
40
minutes
we
could
dive
into
and
at
the
end
I
hope
we
have
then
picked
up
a
topic
for
the
next
focus.
Group
george
has
a
good
overview
lydia.
Unfortunately,.
B
B
So
one
is
that
maybe
we
can
create
a
research
series
about
what,
how
the
token,
like
token
engineering
parameters,
affect
our
moral
behaviors.
So,
for
example,
while
we
are
defining
economics
defining
is
mostly
as
incentive
design
as
well.
So
how
does
incentivization
affect
our
moral
behaviors?
For
example,
let's
say
like
one
token
governance:
how
would
it
affect
our
behaviors
or
if,
if
there
is
like
two
token
garments
like
reputation
tokens?
Is
it
affecting
our
moral
behavior
kind
of
research?
Maybe
see
my
side.
F
So
that's
something
that
I'm
working
on
with
my
with
the
conciliate
side
of
the
picture
to
show
this
is
the
biggest
picture
and
then
to
then
within.
I
think
it's
what
I'm
calling
principle
three
in
the
consilience
library
right
now.
There's.
F
As
a
result
of
us
making
those
kinds
of
decisions,
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
connecting
points
that
manu
and
I
are
gonna-
be
digging.
B
And
also
this
will
be
like
this
can
be
researched
through
very
interdisciplinary
lens.
For
example,
we
can
discuss
how
the
centralized
agencies
of
today,
like
central
banks,
is
creating
incentivization
mechanism
and
how
we
are
creating
it
token
economies.
What's
the
differences,
are
we
overlapping
with
these?
B
Like
greedy
mechanisms
like,
for
example,
there
is
there's
examples
of
central
bank
moves
that
change
society's
way
of
like
organizing
drastically,
like
walker
show
in
1970s,
they
just
cut
down
all
the
inflation
and
the
society's
alignment
has
changed.
So
this
is
centralized
agencies
doing
some
sort
of
token
engineering
in
a
way,
so
how
we
are.
B
And
what's
the
of
our
upload
kind
of
discussion
will
be
very
fruitful
to
me
like
it's
come
up
to
my
mind,
it
will
be
silly
like
please
say
it's
very
honestly.
A
No,
no,
no
perfect,
and
I
see
how
number
one
it
is
basically
and
that's
the
game.
Theory
part
of
the
game.
Theory,
psychology,
part
of
or
a
lot
basically
durga
does
health.
If
you
will
right,
the
the
whole
humanities
par
and
token
economy
actually
is
something
that
goes
back
to.
F
So
you
mentioned
connection
before
okay,
so
there
are
kind
of
two
two
things
of
connection
that
I
like
to
show
the
fun
version
of
this
and
then
sort
of
the
technical
version
of
this
right.
So
I
think
what.
E
A
Or
by
the
agenda
I
mean
I'd
love
to
have
a
move
on,
have
a
progress
on
what's
next
for
them
for
the
focus
groups:
okay,
but.
E
E
E
A
Also,
another
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
basically
social
engineering.
This
engineering
of
behaviors
right,
that's,
definitely
also
one
of
the
ethics
principles.
So
if
matt
you
can
put
that
on
on
the
agenda
on
our
topics,
our
bucket
list
and
also
follow
on
now,
when
we
go
through
the
topics
that
we
have,
whether
you
see.
A
Whether
you
see
one
topic
where
it
also
relates
to,
but
this
one
here
is
definitely
how
do
we
go
about
yeah,
manipulating
behaviors
through
incentives?
A
Do
we
as
token
engineers
know
what
we're
doing
and
also
again
do
the
participants
know
what
how
they
are
being
incentivized
and
what
that
will
mean?
That
is
exactly
your
research
right.
C
A
A
C
B
I
think
it
can
be
bought.
For
example,
like
in
our
commons
upgrades
we
have
discussed
what
con,
which,
how
long
will
one
we
we
want.
Our
conviction
vote
will
be
so,
while
I
was
thinking
about
conviction.
Voting,
for
example,
I
was
thinking-
was
long
conviction.
Voting
keep
people
to
be
more
stubborn
in
the
like.
E
F
F
Like
the
one
you
just
asked
right
conviction
voting,
you
know
this
way
or
that
way
right
what
we,
what
we
tend
to
do,
then,
is
to
adopt
the
the
binary
governing
constraint
idea
that
I
was
going
to
kind
of
explain
in
terms
of
just
orienting
yourself
in
terms
of
that,
so
you
know,
there's
there's.
F
E
F
E
F
To
be
rigorous
in
terms
of
looking
at
that
sort
of
thing,
first
right.
A
E
A
Go
well:
this
will
go
well
together,
yeah,
which
direction
also
links
to
the
practice
sessions.
A
Okay,
good
yeah:
how
do
we
form
our
assumptions
where,
where
do
they
come
from
questioning
those
are,
are
very
hard
and
yeah?
That's
this
rabbit
hole
that
then
leads
to
the
inside
journey
by.
F
In
some
ways,
I
also
just
want
to
make
sure
that
not
only
do
we
have
groups
about
that,
but
if
a
person's
engaged
in
a
live
decision-making
exercise,
I
want
them
to
know
that
there
are
people
that
they
can
come
to
to
say
what
is
the
best
way
in
which
to
contextualize
this.
Can
I
give
your
feedback
to
everything?
I
know
mono
talks
to
me
about
that
type
of
thing,
so
it
might
be
great
to
have
like
here.
People
are
kind
of
not
gravitons,
but
like
omegatrons
or
something
where
we'd
be
available.
A
That
that
brings
us
to
what
is
the
underlying,
but
we
will
provide
here
in
the
working
group
or
while
we
are
around
in
token
engineering,
commons,
okay,
so
basically
I
put
it
here
as
as
topic
number
five
and
just
edit.
A
You
please
do
give
more
context.
A
That's
definitely
something
close
to
be
honest,
and
it
also
plays
well
with,
at
the
very
least
two
of
the
practice
sessions,
and
at
least
two
of
the
the
ethical
plans,
principles
that
we
have
identified
already.
So
that
could
be
a
good
next
topic
to
be
honest,
matt,
you
know
you're
hi,
lydia
you're.
There.
E
Hey
everyone.
Yes,
I
I'm
a
bit
late
and
I'm
also
not
really
so
much
updated
about
them.
Let's
say
the
the
focus
group
development.
I
just
read
like
your
deck
document
and
I
think
it's
really
like
quite
work
that
you've
been
doing,
and
I
don't
know-
maybe
I
was
just
thinking
what
for
me
like,
maybe
as
a
question.
I
also
don't
know
if
you
already
discussed
this,
but
it's
a
bit
like
what
I.
E
What
are
you,
what
are
you
doing
doing
with
the
data
or
the
the
findings
that
like
has
been
created
like
who's,
going
to
analyze
it
and
also
explorating,
and
also
what
what
I
like,
the
what
we
call
like
research
outputs?
I
mean
I
see
it's
like
this
idea
of
this
ethics
generating,
but
I
think
also
that
your
topics
go
far
beyond
it.
I
think
it's
also
something
that
should
be,
if,
like
in
this
form
of
participatory
action,
research
that
should
be
also
monitored
and
asked
constantly
and.
E
We're
doing
the
survey
you
know
last
year
like
what
happened
with
the
survey,
and
I
mean
also
how
you
are
planning
to
integrate
the
survey
with
the
focus
groups.
Is
there
like
some
kind
of
approach
like
looking
like
both
and
the
third
thing?
I
wanted
to
say
it's
about
like
a
potential
topic
of
focus
groups?
I'm
still
yes,
because
I
I'm
not
really
updated,
but
yeah.
E
I
think
I
already
told
you
I
would
be
interested,
maybe
let's
say
because
I'm
interested
in
the
topic
of
conflict
and
conflict,
research
and
yeah,
maybe
looking
into
let's
say
which
kind
of
conflicts
existing,
but
also
how
conflicts
are
so
solved
or
like.
Well,
because
I
know
also
you
have
this
conflict
management
group
and
but
yes,
this
is
of
mine.
I
don't
know
if
it
like
fits
in
the
interest
like,
I
think,
maybe.
A
A
With
me
offline,
so
just
picking
up
your
questions,
one
by
one
dugadas
and
juan
juan,
is
the
steward
of
gravitons,
where
the
the
token
engineering
commons
protocol
for
conflict
resolution
emerged
and
dugadas
is
also
one
of
the
those
who
who
started
contributing
shaping
it
in
the
beginning
and
as
you
see,
they
are
also
very
active
participants
in
omega
what
I'm
or
where
I'm.
A
So
I
think
omega
is
really
about.
The
outcome
should
be
token
engineering,
ethical
principles
that
we
have
collectively
re
researched.
If
you
will
or
or
that
really
comes
out
of
the
our
observation
in
our
work
and
in
our
experiences
as
token
engineers
and
participants
in
token
economies,
that's
the
goal
and
definitely
it
started,
because
everything
is
decision
making
and
every
decision
and
and
opinion
or
our
perspective
can
potentially
lead
to
conflict.
A
That
that's
why
I
think
those
are
definitely
connected.
What's
in
omega,
I
think
would-
or
in
my
view,
that's
my
personal
view
or-
or
my
gut
feeling,
I
must
say,
is
how
do
we,
how?
How
can
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
see
conflicts
before
emerging
or
even
this
situation?
A
When
you
know
those
people
are
entirely
on
different
levels
or
world
views,
or
you
know
they're
talking
like
this
and
they
don't
even
know
they
have
a
conflict,
for
example,
and
especially
in
these
very
diverse
communities,
that
global
token
networks
are
trying
to
coordinate.
That's
mostly
the
case.
So
that's
why
we
started
with
these
eight
world
reviews
and
that's
also
coming
in
again.
Maybe
I
just
give
you,
while
I'm
telling
what
happened
with
since
you
helped
us
with
those
two
other
questions.
A
Maybe
juan
do
gaddas
and
also
you
you
can
gather
a
bit
of
your
thoughts.
How
how
such
a
focus
group
about
conflict,
conflict,
identification
resolution
and
is
there
something
before
like
if
we
come
from
contextualized,
open
and
and
generative
ways
can
be
avoid
conflict
like?
Can
there
be
peace
before
war,
but
but
the
number
one
question
coming
to
surrey:
what
happened
with
it?
Well,
it
was
a
very
short,
a
small
survey
with
a
few
participants,
so
I
would
say,
and
then
then
we
basically
moved
on
to
okay.
A
A
Producing
something,
and
that
is
of
value
to
engineers,
as
well
as
through
and
together
with
them,
and
I
think
just
that
story
when
we
share
that
and
then
people
actually
appreciating
the
practice
sessions
and
so
on.
I
can
imagine
that
there
will
be
momentum
around
this,
that
more
people
participate
in
these
communities
and
they
see
what
is
the
outcome
of
it.
I
do
believe
that
do
we
have
the
the
the
capacity
really
brainwise
and
and
people-wise
to
handle
those
surveys
with
the
with
the
care
and
attention
that
they
deserve.
A
Actually,
support
this
as
one
of
the
topics
that
have
in
token
engineering
comments
that's
in
in
what
we
want
to
achieve
as
num.
You
know
very,
very
it's
our
omega.
A
So
that's
why
I
would
say
these
are
the
exact
questions.
If,
if
you
can
help
us
as
social
scientists
to
to
help,
I
think
we
will,
we
would
find
ways
to
actually
also
support
that
appropriately.
A
What
is
the
outcome
again?
As
I
had
mentioned,
the
omega
working
group
has
just
one
job.
A
That's
just
figuring
out
that
the
atos
of
this
very
diverse
community
and
token
engineering
ethics,
but
again
mart
is
one
of
the
newer
contributors,
for
example,
and
then
even
he
sees
that
there
is
actually
a
lot
of
adjacent
topics.
E
A
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
you
know,
really:
brilliant
anthropology
research.
Alongside
this
token,
engineering
development.
A
And
the
focus
groups,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
only
had
one
just
one
focus
group
this
one
about
ethical
dilemmas.
What
we
did
was
one
call
chat.
I
facilitated
a
little
bit.
These
were
the
participants
you
can
listen
in
and
then
we
tried
an
analysis
of
it,
but
actually
what
happened
was
through
successive
working
group
sessions?
A
Those
topics
that
we
heard
and
tried
to
crystallize
came
again
and
again
so
that
we
could
actually
form
form
these
four
ethical
principles
and
we
can
tie
them
back
to
that
focus
group,
and
we
have
this
practice
session
that
we
then
came
up
through
all
of
those
working
group
exchanges.
So
I
would
say
it
was
a
very
organic
fluid
application
and
that
we
did
in
our
creative
way,
but
it
would
be,
of
course,
fantastic
if
we
can
form
the
next
focus
groups
accordingly.
A
Okay,
that
was
the
background
now
coming
to
could
could
that
be
a
focus
group
topic
around
around
conflict
and
and
juan?
A
F
Well,
I
mean,
I
think,
we've
got
a.
You
know
a
pretty
a
clear
framework.
You
know
now
like
if
you
look
at,
for
example,
this
is
a
pretty
complex
and
integrated.
E
F
You
know
so
it's
part
of
our
ethical
principle
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
get
principles
back.
F
D
Maybe
push
things
forward,
pardon
me
durgadis,
but
I
notice
I've
got
a
lot
of
like
a
lot
of
like
very
directive
energy,
especially
around
the
fourth
topic,
about
enabling
informed
participation
like
if
I
just
they
think
about
that.
Like
the
like
fountains
of
fireworks,
like
shoot
out
of
my
heart
right
to-
and
I
have
a
question
about.
D
What's
the
what
is
the
intended
outcome?
I
I
understand
that
there
is
this
desire
to
distill
ethical
principles,
and
so
are
we
hoping
to
engage
in
an
exploration
around
the
topic,
or
are
we
hoping
to
realize
the
the
outcome
that
is
to
enable
informed
participation.
F
Done
differently,
depending
on
which
direction
you're
talking
about
so
the
graphic
I
was
talking
to
you
about
before
around
you
know.
Confident
you
know
contains
that
stuff
somewhat,
which
I
can
you
know
so
this
thing
here
this
this
thing
between
the
complex
and
the
complicated
a
governing
constraint
means
that
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna
eventually
get
through
and
model
and
then
make
repeatable
and
then
automate
what
you're
talking
about.
F
That's
basically
completes
that
cycle,
so
you've
got
a
chaos,
you
don't
know.
What's
going
on,
you
experiment
on
it,
and
then
you
decide
on
what
kind
of
constraint
you're
getting
to.
So
if
you
need,
if
you're
doing
an
enabling
constraint,
that
means
you're
going
to
put
it
up
in
to
this
thing,
you're
going
to
standardize
it
and
then
to
some
degree,
take
bits
of
it
here.
F
E
F
D
D
I'm
errol
I
so
I
find
myself
with
a
lot
of
diffuse
diffuse
energy
going
in
a
lot
of
different
directions.
D
Right
and
the
continued
sensation
of
liminality
is
sort
of
getting
to
getting
to
me
right,
and
so
what
I'm
I
am
really
hoping
for
is
some
sense
of
direction.
A
A
The
newest
edition,
I
would
say,
is
coming
actually
from
from
george
who
is
just
listening
as
a
social
scientist.
Do
that's
also
what
I
picked
up?
They're
they're
really
very
observant,
but
I
gotta
tell
you
just
by
being
observer.
You
are
already
part
of
the
system
and
doing
stuff
with
it.
So
yeah
yeah.
C
C
Because
creative
friction
comes
from,
people
are
standing
in
the
same
worldview
standing
in
the
same
value
system.
They
even
appreciate
each
other.
They
don't
have
anything
against
each
other,
but
as
two
professionals,
they
offer
different
solutions
to
a
given
challenge,
and
that
is
a
creative
friction.
Something
more
interesting
can
come
out
from
it,
and
conflict
may
have
many
different
sources.
C
Not
infrequently
conflict
sources
are
personal
matters,
sometimes
personality
egos,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
beautiful
ways
of
working
with
them.
Some
of
them
come
from
the
native
american
tradition,
actually
that
I
was
trained
in
and
but
I
guess
I
I
just
stopped
here
and
another
topic
that
I
may
contribute
to
later-
would
be
the
interpretation
of
self-sovereignty
and
what
is
needed
for
a
person
to
be
sovereign
and
jordan.
Hull
and
daniel
schmuckenberger
did
some
pretty
good
work
about
it.
That
at
some
point
again,
I
will
be
happy
to
bring
to
the
group.
C
Because,
because
I
feel
that
we
need
sovereign
people
and
sovereignty,
sovereignty
is
not
in
a
political
sense
that
we
don't
have
a
ruler
above
us,
but
having
the
capability
of
sentience
intelligence
and
agency,
and
these
are.
There
are
many
practices
related
to
all
this,
but
I
just
stopped
here
for
now.
A
But
please
jump
in,
but
that
is
the
main
main
main
direction
if
you
will
right
self
sovereignty
as
in
not
your
keys,
not
your
crypto,
but
you
know
just
having
your
your
private
space
like
do
you
know
how
to
be
self
server?
Do
you
know
how
to
be
self?
A
Where
is
the
self
itself
organization
yeah,
and
we
came
to
some
things
that
we
that
came
up
in
in
omega
until
now?
Is
this
this
connections
with
self-knowledge
like
without
knowing
yourself?
How
can
you
participate
without
having
found
a
direction
for
yourself
saying
these
are
my
values.
This
is
how
I
align.
How
can
you
be
aligned
value
aligned
in
a
global
community?
A
Super
big
questions?
No,
but
definitely
I
think
we
are
all
game.
We
want
to
figure
that
out.
So
if
you
want
to
share
we're
coming
almost
to
an
end,
but
that's
definitely
a
cliffhanger,
and
I
also
want
to
maybe
be
closed
almost
with
that
is,
I
wanted
to
say
what
you
had
brought
in
this
past
week.
I
would
say
into
token
engineering,
in
my
view,
was
this:
the
the
enlightenment
theory
and
how
you
apply
it
to
social
change
and
again
in
living
self.
A
I
believe
that's
a
very
interesting
addition
to
it
all
and
that
goes
back
to,
or
that
goes
down
to
the
roots.
A
If
you
will,
when
the
cypherpunk
it
was
brought
in
south
sovereignty
and
people
are
reading
this
book
and
try
to
figure
out
what
does
it
mean?
I
have
my
keys
now.
What
now
you
know
so,
and
that
seems
really
to
be
to
be
the
core
of
it,
that
you
start
that
that
one
can
and
shall
start
it's
a
good
start
and
how
that
this
depiction
actually
challenged.
Me
was
as
token
engineers
coming
from
systems
thinking
you
want
to
change
the
system,
make
it
better
or
design
and
redesign
it.
A
A
Even
then,
there
will
be
a
lot
of
human
space
where
deliberation
happens,
where
direction
needs
to
be
found,
found
and
you're
not
going
to
get
that
from
some
algorithms
and
if
so,
basically
again
we
go
back
to
you
while
haraldi,
you
know
if
all
the
decisions
are
taken
by
algorithms
and
until
now
we
understood
our
human
existence
as
the
drama
of
decision
making.
A
You
know
what
kind
of
existence
we
have
and
there
we
don't
have
any
philosophies.
We
are
philosophically
bankrupt
and
that's
how
this
whole
journey
basically
started
and
I
think
that's
almost
a
little
circle
that
closes
a
little
loop
that
closes
here
and
definitely
george.
If
you
want
to
participate
and
share
anything,
you
know
that
would
create
some
direction
here
or
how
we
could
make
use
of
it.
But
what?
How
do
we
embed
it?
Do
we
start
with
the
focus
group
etc?
A
How
does
it
play
to
the
other
focus
group
topics
that
we
have?
I
mean
we
didn't
even
go
through
the
ones
that
we
had,
but
we
just
added
two
more,
which
I
think
are
are
interesting
and
important.
A
One
thing
I
would
love
for
all
of
us
to
do
is
just
to
go
over
these
again
and
maybe
be
fine,
some
overlaps,
or
maybe
we
can
reframe
a
focus
group.
A
But
other
than
that
do
we
do
we
have
a
yes
lydia?
Could
you
imagine
to
continue
support
us
or
start
again
and.
G
Yeah
from
my
side,
I
am
super
into
continuing
developing
and
researching
more
and
going
deeper
and
completely.