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A
A
A
And,
and
don't
worry
that
I'm
putting
you
on
on
spot,
you
might
as
well.
However,
you
feel
like
sharing
a
level
if
you
just
want
to
say
hi
and
just
share
whatever
you
have
in
mind.
Don't
worry.
B
I'm
sorry
is
that
for
me.
Yes,
oh
okay,
sorry
about
that.
My
my
headphones
were
yeah.
I
just
heard
the
light,
but
I
didn't
know
it
was
directed
at
me
yeah.
Let
me
turn
on
my
camera.
Hey
guys,
nice
to
meet
you
yeah,
I
mean
I've
been.
I
think
I
have
been
involved
in
some
form
with
token
engineering
for
since
the
berlin
2019
blockchain
week,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
questions.
B
What
really
attracted
me
to
the
to
the
space
was
the
idea
of
really
changing
how
organizations
work
right
together
and
the
the
causes
theorem
of
the
firm
sorry
give
me
one
second
cause
the
theorem
of
the
firm
and
and
all
of
those
pieces
were
really
what
what
brought
me
into
this
more
of
the
the
incentive,
the
social
systems
are,
that
can
be
built
on
blockchain,
and
I
just
have
a
lot
of
questions,
perhaps
more
questions
than
answers
or
insights
about
what
you
know,
what
what
it
is
to
to
what
is
designable
in
this
system
versus
what
isn't
and
what
is
perhaps
even
one
level
below
like
philosophically
good
right.
B
But
what
is
fair
right
for
for
participants
in
these
systems?
So
that's
kind
of
like
and
yeah.
I
I
kind
of
like
bombarded
chevron
via
the
end
with
with
questions
and
thoughts.
But
that's
what
brings
me
here
and
I'm
I'm
super
happy
to
be
getting
in
touch
with
you,
guys
and
yeah,
and
I'm
doing
some
other
things
on
the
side.
But
I
won't
bore
you
with
that.
A
No
super
cool
thanks
for
sharing,
thanks
for
sharing
and
basically
also
really
happy
that
you
know
we
are
extending
this
this
group
further
and
further
with
people
who
who
really
ask
a
pinpoint
to
the
ethical
questions
that
there
are.
For
example,
we
had
a
nice
exchange
about
a
token
sale
if
you're.
A
Basically,
you
know
as
a
token
engineer,
someone
who
looks
at
the
token
model
etc,
how
much
of
of
a
saying
one
actually
has
how
much
you
know
or
or
what
to
do
with
whatever
is
happening
out
there
in
the
reality
versus
what
would
be
a
best
standard
way
to
go
about,
and
then
also
how
to
express
ethical
concerns
or
concerns
about
fairness,
even
to
start
with
right,
bull
markets.
And
what
have
you?
So?
I
hope
that
you
know
we
have
it
on
the
agenda.
A
Maybe
we
can
also
put
it
in
there.
How
do
we
start
this?
These
dialogues
about
token
engineering
ethics
on
one
hand
and
the
practicality
of
it
all
like
we.
We
are
all
somehow
in
it
for
the
changing
of
how
organizations
work,
how
they
can
work
differently,
maybe
more
contextual,
in
a,
although
in
a
globally
connected
way,
yeah.
A
I
guess
I'm
looking
forward
to
be
able
to
a
collect
or
have
this
group
to
be
able
to
collect
questions,
insights,
pressing
issues
that
people
active
in
token
projects
are
associated
with
token
projects.
Have
yes
and
that's
why
every
time
a
new
member
parts
concerns-
and
it's
always
good
to
have
these
insights
sharing-
there
is
also
david
who's
new
currently
joined
david.
Would
you
also
like
to
share
with
the
working
group
a
bit
of
a
background
or
your.
A
Interest-
okay,
maybe
just
listening
in-
and
I
would
say.
C
A
So
maybe
we
can,
we
can
have
a
first
round
of
everyone
if
there
are
any
questions,
ideas
for
today's
sessions
or
later
sessions,
even
if
it's
just
you
know
what
brings
you
to
omega
or
what
you
would
want
us
to
tackle
next,
especially
if
it's,
if
you
don't
see
it
on
the
agenda
yet,
can
we
have
around.
A
Durgades
is
also
here
so
yeah.
Let's
have
a
round
rodolfo.
Let
me
let
me
start
with
you
again.
Is
there
some
aspect,
a
question
or
something
you
would
like
to
run
the
agenda
for
for
an
hour
later.
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
really
well
formulated
question
but
yeah
I
don't
know
if
this
I
I
sent
you
a
script
or
something
that
I
was
thinking
about.
I
don't
know
if
let
me
think
about
that,
can
I
can
I
take
a
pass
for
like
five
minutes.
Let
me
collect
myself,
of
course,.
A
Of
course,
then,
let's
give
it
to
hey,
we
don't
get
us
you,
you
made
it
after
some
time.
Would
you
like
to
put
something
on
the
agenda
that
you
you
wanted
to
get
off
your
chest
and
you
don't
see
it.
D
I
think
yeah,
I'm
I'm
really
interested
in
trying
to
figure
out
our
developmental
stuff.
So
that
is
to
say.
D
You
know
I'm
I'm
particularly
interested
in
deliberately
developmental
organizations,
because
I
feel
like
it's
the
next
natural
step
after
dowse,
so
once
people
are
done
being
like
I'm
tired
of
centralization
and
bad
centralization.
Bad
now
we're
all
in
a
dow.
So
let's
assume
that
we're
all
going
to
always
be
in
a
dow
and
we're
always
going
to
have
that
now.
What
do
we
do
and
being
deliberate
about
developing
the
internal
people
and
the
organization
as
a
whole
is
is
a
primary
concern
to
me
so.
D
You
know
that's
and.
A
D
Yeah,
so
so
it
seems
like
decentralization,
is
almost
like
a
boundary
to
prevent
certain
kinds
of
ills
from
arising
that
come
from
overly
centralized
systems
at
the
same
time
it
also
it
it.
So
not
only
does
it
create
a
boundary
toward
this
sort
of
centralization
thing,
but
it
also
kind
of
holds
space
for
people
to
expand
into
and
for
whatever
the
subject
matter
of
the
group.
In
this
case
token
engineering
is
it
to
expand
into
right,
and
so
who
is
it
that's
holding
that
space?
D
And
you
know
how
do
we
sort
of
deliberate
some
of
this
thing?
So,
for
example,
if
you
look
at.
A
D
A
B
A
That's
cool,
that's
cool!
That's
it's!
Your
first
time
participating
all
good
thanks,
okay,
who
who
should
be
next.
D
Yeah,
let's
say
oh
want
here:
good
welcome,.
F
Okay,
thank
you
little
guys.
Well,
I
I
have
this
question
like
for
some
months
now,
and
maybe
it's
good
to
share
it
and
it's
about
the
boundaries
of
what
is
being
a
te,
because
sometimes
we
talk
about
the
t
e
and
the
it's
not
well
defined,
that
boundary
of
who
is
a
tea.
F
What
are
the
requirements
of
being
a
te
and
like
yeah
and
what
is
the
division
between
the
people?
Who
is
te
in
the
in
this
community
and
the
people
who
is
not
at
the
then?
What?
What
are
they?
Because.
A
A
You
mean
engineering,
heavy
petals,
and
you
know
like
the
one
thing
we
want
to
preserve
and
nurture
or
preserve.
I
think
is
aid.
The
acknowledgement
that
the
the
always
the
the
right
side
of
the
petals
are
engineering
heavy.
It's
like
northeast
and
southwest
is
humanities,
social
sciences,
science
etc,
and
you
know
that
or
with
that.
A
I
agree
with
you
that
when
we
are
talking
about
it,
when
people
out
there
even
talk
about
token
engineer
or
engineering,
they
have
the
vision
of
an
engineer
right,
but,
for
example,
it's
also
something
we
emphasize
everywhere.
I
guess,
but
also
especially
here
that
well
I
don't.
A
Boundaries
is
a
bit
difficult.
You
know
what
is
that,
but
that
learning
is
continuous,
that
we
here
have
an
initiative
that
is
literally
about
jumping
together
knowledge
from
multiple
disciplines,
but
are
in
the
foreground,
and
I
would
even
add
to
that.
So
I
don't
know
boundaries,
I'm
just
putting
it
in
in
quotation
marks.
Maybe
we
can
in
those
discussions
or
in
those
dialogues
we
can
go
deeper
into,
but
basically
the
second
part
of
it
is
also.
A
We
just
look
at
it
from
an
expert,
an
academic
perspective,
even
when
we
are
in
the
consultants
project,
for
example,
and
we
had
this
discussion
as
well.
I
like
who-
or
let
me
put
it
that
way-
and
this
is
my
favorite
export
versus
learner.
A
And
it's
a
new
paradigm,
I
can
imagine
someone
with
a
beginner's
mind
and
a
learner
has
many
ways
up
from
from
someone
who
is
in
quotation
marks,
deep
subject
matter
expert,
not
interested
in
or
not
acknowledging
the
different
fields,
for
example,
or
is
only
interested
in
looking
at
the
space
from
one
lens
I
find,
for
example,
such
a
perspective,
extremely
limiting
also
some
domains
literally
have
difficulties
to
admitting
paradigm
shifts
like
traditional
economics
versus
complexity,
economics
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
So
I
find
this
is
a
very
important
question.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
up
and,
as
you
see,
the
intention
emerges
like
it
would
be
great
if
we
have
topics
around
which
good
participatory
research
or
focus
group
discussion
dialogues
can
be
started.
D
This
so
rather
than
boundaries
necessarily,
it
might
make
sense
to
assess
the
means
by
which
we
make
decisions
related
to
what
it
means
to
be
a
te.
So
I
immediately
think
of
the
connection
framework
in
this
sense.
In
the
sense,
where
is
this
something
that's
just
clear
and
simple?
Is
this
something
complicated
like
in
the
realm
of
the
expert,
which
is
the
reason
why
I
thought
of
this?
Is
this
something
complex
which
is,
that
is
to
say,
we
need
to
do
experiments
to
determine
what's
going
on.
A
D
That
we
can
move
it
from
the
complex
into
the
complicated.
Where
then
expertise
is
is
useful
to
make
it
then
familiar
to
somebody
who's
dealing
with
something
simple
so
in
in
many
ways
the
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
we're.
Taking
this
disordered
thing,
moving
it
into
the
chaotic
moving
into
the
complex
moving
into
the
complicated
and
making
it
clear.
A
D
And
so,
if
we
just
recognize
that
that
that's
a
a
thing
that
we're
in
a
process
that
we're
in
just
making
a
determination
where
we're
starting
and
then
where
we're
trying
to
get
it
to,
might
be
a
helpful
orienting
principle.
A
Okay,
can
you
recall
the
the
frameworks
con.
D
It
says
I
can
I
can
I
can
yeah.
I
can
post
the
link
in
a
little
graphic
about
that
and.
B
And
I
think,
adding
to
that
quantity,
that's
a
great
point,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we're
thinking
about
saying,
what's
what
is
rather
than
what?
What
what
does
the
team
look
right
and-
and
I
know
that's
the
angela.
A
B
B
Like
the
you
know,
how
does
the
the
traditional
software
development
set
up
work
in
token
engineering
right,
but
but
right
now,
there's
no
there's
no
distinction
right
now,
just
one
thing
right
so
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
if
we
could
do
something
like
something
like,
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
say
the
idea
manifest
talked
about
that
and-
and
I'm
not
necessarily
like
all
bought
into
that,
but
something
like
that
that
kind
of
here's,
what
you
know.
B
Could
could
be
right,
then
them
to
that
would
be,
and
here's
clearly
not
everyone
is
listening
to
be
like
across
so
many
fields
right.
So
here
are
the
roles
that
that
that
that
would
form
something
that
we
think
about,
and
oh,
it
is
a
comp.
This
is
at
least
considering
all
the
different
angles
is
potentially
more
ethical
or
yeah
from
that
angle
than
other
teams
right.
That's
purely
like
engineering.
A
Spot
on
and
also
durgadas
is
currently
sharing
something
it's
called
virtual
cycles,
which
I'm
testing
and
yeah
yeah,
so
you're
you're
spot
on,
and
I
can
also
share
a
few
things
with
you.
This
is
one
of
those
very,
very
practical
things
that
that's
super
interesting
in,
in
my
point
of
view,
create
an
environment
of
token
model
development
and
deployment
in
which
raising
issues
is
part
of
the
process
and
not
you
know
obstructing
or
anything
like
that,
but
actually
there
is
a
settled
like
in
the
agile
manifesto.
A
It's
just
a
manifesto
saying
what
is
important
right.
I
have
here
method
yeah
just
to
give.
I
don't
want
to
go
into
that
quickly,
but
you
remember
we
had
this,
what
type
of
method
thingy
and
I
was
like
against
method,
but
I
realized
that
it's
especially
when
you
are
in
as
a
as
a
team
or
a
single
advisor,
or
what
have
you
in
a
project?
A
You
know
it's
not
really
helpful,
but
actually
picking
up
on
this
whole
post-agile
movement
or
people
also
recognizing
that
agile,
dark,
agile,
like
the
manifesto
just
being
misunderstood
or
misimplemented
right
in
itself.
It's
a
wonderful.
A
You
know.
We
say
these
are
all
things
that
are
useful
or
valuable,
but
we
value
the
things
on
the
left
more,
which
is,
for
example,
customer
collaboration
or
contract
negotiation
in
a
decentralized
organization.
This
should
be
even
more
expressive.
A
Individuals
and
interactions
over
processes
and
tools
again,
is
something
that
definitely
is
important
and
yeah
just
to
add
to
it
like
how
could
this
whole
ethical
aspect
of
token
engineering
can
be
actually
part
of
the
process
right
and
agreed
upon
or
or
shown
that
why
it
is
actually
value,
adding,
because
it's
strengthening
making
things
more
resilient,
less
less
fragile,
so
how
to
do
ethical,
encoding
and
one
aspect
that
durga
does
really
focuses
on
and
which
I
experience
is
also
them.
A
A
person
as
a
as
a
human
being,
the
token
engineer,
are
you
being
taken
care
of
in
this
environment
or
in
this
process
like
how
can
we
make
make
such
a
manifesto?
That
is
a
practical,
gives
you
rails
to
to
lean
against
as
a
token
engineer,
and
it
isn't
awkward
to
actually
pinpoint
issues,
ethical
or
otherwise,
but
also
that
somehow
has
a
yeah.
Like
a
manifesto,
very
good,
very
good
point:
I
like
that,
it's
super
practical.
There
are
some
things.
A
Practical
yeah,
I.
D
On
what
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
do,
and
then
there
I
think,
there's
a
kind
of
tensegrity
between
you
know
the
data
preceding
the
framework,
that
is
to
say
we're,
discovering
new
things.
Therefore,
we
don't
know
how
to
frame
them.
D
A
A
Sense
super
cool
okay,
who,
when
who
do
you
want
to
pass
it
on
or
if
anyone
wants
to
jump
in.
C
Hey,
hey
hi,
I'm
pretty
new
here.
A
A
No,
I
just
want
to
one
year
found
his
way
from
te
philosophy
channel.
So
just
just
an
intro
you
might
as
well
like.
A
The
point
was
to
get
especially
it's
perfect
like
if
you
have
the
one
thing
that
drove
you
here
or
what
you
want
to
put
on
the
agenda
for
now
or
later
sessions
where
we
want
to
have
actual
focus,
group
discussions
and
participatory
research
on
topics
like
diversity,
ethos
of
token
engineering.
What
is
it
even
being
a
token
engineer
if
you
would
like
to
add
something
now
or
just
tell
the
group
what
drives
you
here?
Either
way,
isn't
yeah.
C
Sure
it's
like
yeah,
so
glad
to
be
here
there
is,
is
some
main
aspects
I'd
like
to
see
in
in
a
token
engineer,
while
they
ponder
about
designing
systems
that
interact
with
each
other,
there
should
be
some
consideration
of.
C
Rewards
for
being
diverse,
at
the
same
time,
there
should
be
at
least
a
quality
of
life
where
equality
is
also
given.
C
So
equality
is,
is
a
perceived
value
that
every
agent
that's
participating
in
the
system
should
feel
equality
is
being
at
least
sought
after
and
being
pursued,
inclusion
yeah
exactly
so
that's
that's
one
of
my
main
motivating
factor.
I
think
that
should
be
some
thoughts
and
detailed
exploration
in
this
direction.
A
Totally
agree
also,
one
of
the
recent
topics
that
that
that
is
popping
up
like
we
talked
about
all
of
this
is
open
and
permissionless,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
inclusive
at
all.
It
doesn't
mean
that
people
who
might
benefit
most
from
these
technologies
are
actually
reaping
the
benefits.
Currently,
it
more
looks
like
that.
The
people
who've
been
running
the
old
system
are
now
running
the
new
system.
A
Was
it
yeah
and
then
one
of
them
at
the
very
least
one
of
the
crypto
vc
funds
etc,
but
that's
basically
it
yeah
for
a
for
a
short
time.
A
token
engineer
was
the
was
holding
a
lot
of
delegated
votes,
andre,
but
he's
not
not
even
he.
A
So
that's
a
topic
thanks
for
contributing
that's
a
super,
interesting
topic
with
actual
cases
we
can
put
on
the
table.
Yes
do
you
do
you
want
to
share
a
bit
of
your
of
your
background.
C
I
I
had
the
pleasure
of
being
on
board
by
sugar
earlier,
and
I
met
durgada
since
now
in
the
community
call,
I'm
van
actually
a
pseudonym.
I
work
in
I
work
with
siemens
in
singapore
as
a
data
scientist
previously,
I
was
an
academic
and
by
training
worked
a
lot
with
genomics
and
sequencing
yeah.
So,
but
my
main
interest
is
in
data
science,
and
also
machine
learning
and
but
mainly
yeah.
Genomics
is
what
I
am
well
versed
in
with
all
these
new
things.
C
That's
coming
up
in
blockchain
is
some
of
my
interest
areas
as
well.
A
Very
cool,
very
cool:
do:
do
you
know
of
the
token
engineering
commons
tech
lab.
I
think
you
will
find
a
couple
of
data
scientists
there
yeah.
A
A
Yes,
yes,
so
perfect
great
to
have
you
also
I'm
an
ex-siemens
yeah,
so
huge,
huge
organization,
it's
kind
of
interesting.
You
know
an
organization
of
350
plus
thousand
people,
that's
the
kind
of
scale
that
that
some
token
networks
would
even
you
know,
would
dream
of.
So
that's
also
an
interesting
aspect
like
how
are
we
going
to
be
organized
differently
than
those
shareholder-driven
driven
multinational
corporations?
A
How
is
this
time
going
to
be
different?
So,
okay,
who
do
you
want
to
pass
it
on
to.
A
Yeah
he
went
then
let
me
sebastian,
do
you
want
to
add
next.
H
Sure
ethics,
I
think
ethics.
It
links
a
lot
to
economics.
I
mean
ethically
there's
not
really
any
ethics
in
culture.
Once
you're
in
your
closed
domain,
you
should
be
as
free
as
possible
in
legal
aspects.
It's
quite
regulated,
but
in
economics,
ethics
is
the
least
the
least
explored,
and-
and
that's
where
that's,
where
you
know
you
can
set
up
all
the
token
structures
that
you
want
of
governance,
but
understanding
what
economics
is
and
what
a
value
is
and
what
commodities
are
and
what
are
not
are
strict,
extremely
ethical
concerns.
H
A
D
I
just
I
just
added
a
thing
by
the
way
into
that
that
actually
speaks
about
all
of
these
different
things
with
respect
to
ethics
and
just
how
deep
the
concern
for
ethics
goes
within
our
group
here.
I
think
it
should
be
evident
from
looking
at
this,
and
it's
why
I
created
this
graphic
is
because
each
one
of
these
things
is
is
is
a
kind
of
a
statement
on
ethics
from
a
different
perspective.
If
you
know
what
I'm
saying
so,
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
guys
that,
just
because
that.
A
A
I'm
just
going
to
add
a
pluralism,
a
and
and
any
decoration
awesome
aspect
right,
okay,
cool!
I
will
just
push
it
a
bit
further:
yeah,
okay.
A
I
Yeah
it's
about
what
we
were
also
chatting
chatting
the
other
day.
I
I
wonder
like
when
we
have
credentials
management
and
when
we
talking
in
the
name
of
the
dow
like
who
should
do
that.
Why-
and
you
know
like
there
is
a
lot
of
questions.
I
Mind
and
after
doing
some
research
and
very
little
research
and
the
articles
you
share
with
me
like
it,
was
talking
about
like
this
multisig,
but
then
at
the
same
time,
like.
I
Efficiency,
when
you
know
like
there
is
people
that
might
need
to
work
and
they
might
need
the
credentials.
But
you
know
is
that
that
question
about
efficiency
and
security
and
who
should
act
in
the
name
of
the
dao
and
and
who
and
why
I
don't
know
there-
is.
I
Yeah
and
I'll
pass
it
to.
A
Oh
cool,
putting
it
kind
of
under
ethical
modes
of
reasoning,
because
that's
that
might
be
helpful,
but
these
are
also
super
super
practical,
current
issues
right.
I
realized
that
kevin
from
gitcoin
also
was
just
recently
asking
that,
and
they
literally
had
this
wonderful
dowel,
already
spun
up.
A
Right
in
the
millions
of
investment
and
the
token
value
goes
up
and
then
then
people
ask
like:
oh
does
everyone
know
how
to
how
to
distribute
access
so
yeah?
It's
currently.
A
lot
of
these
questions
are
asked
after
the
fact,
but
it
would
be
great
if
we
at
the
very
least
collect
them
inquire
into
those.
From
a
practical
perspective,
really
you
know
getting
those
insights
but
then
also
cry
trying
to
get
this
ethical
modes
of
reasoning
off
the
ground,
sound
decision
making
for
individuals
and
the
collective
as
the
collector.
E
Oh
thanks
yeah.
I
would
just
like
to
share
the
the
mirror
board
for,
for
looking
at
the
type
form
results
I
just
finished
making
it,
so
we
can
play
around
with
that.
If
we
want.
A
Okay,
well,
amazing:
oh
yes,
okay,
yeah,
wow,
olivia,
a
huge
praise.
A
Okay:
okay,
let
me
just
ask
before
we
move
on,
because
that
was
actually
on
the
agenda.
A
E
Yeah,
so
a
few
other
times
that
we
did
something
like
this,
I
think
it's
good
to
take
some
time
to
look
at
it
yeah
and
maybe
start
pulling
some
insights.
D
E
Something
and
then
a
lot
of
people
think
there
are
100
plus
token
engineers
and
then
just
a
few
things
that
are
between
10
and
50..
E
So
those
are
things
that
could
like
spark
discussions
and
then
in
the
books
there
was
also
a
few
that
were
repeating
that
we
could
use
as
like
some
references
to
bring
from
this
from
this
materials.
E
Them
seeing
the
the
reach
that
they
have
so
this
yeah
some
of
those
things
we
could
start
like
pulling
some
questions
from
from
it.
Super.
A
Cool
yeah
that
definitely
so
just
for
everyone,
so
this
these
are
the
questions
that
we
asked
right,
educational
background
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
these
are
basically
20
people
having
answered
and
yeah.
I
I
also
think
like
this
is
amazing.
A
I
would
also
suggest
that
people
actually
really
look
at
it
right
and
and
basically.
A
Yeah,
it
was
the
first
community
story
with
the
questions
that
we
designed
yeah
not
designed.
Basically,
that's
the
questions
that
we
put
together
and,
after
that,
basically,
we
we
focused
on.
Actually
these
two
questions,
like
one
is
the
diversity
aspect.
So
one
thing
we
could
do
is
to
basically
say
you
know
what
questions
actually.
A
You
know
points
to
the
diversity
aspect
and
what
questions
point
to,
I
think
ethical
aspects
we
have
not
covered
at
all
right,
it's
more
like
the
makeup
of
the
the
community
with
respect
to
their
background.
So
it's
more
about
capturing
the
the
diversity.
A
A
Or
one
goal,
as
in
you
know
the
the
so
what
topics
and
questions
we
can
actually
read
from
those
answers
or
get
from
those
answers
to
put
as
a
research
or
as
a
participatory
research
question
that
when
we
have
these,
you
know
topics
that
when
we
discuss
about,
we
find
out
more
about
the
the
current
realities
under
and
then
circumstances
under
which
token
engineers
act
react,
and
especially
also,
you
know
what
yeah,
possibly,
how
much
of
ethical
issues
are
relevant
or
not,
and
if
so,
which,
like
more
like
what
we
did
just
now
finding
out
such
topics
inside
the
tech
survey
inside
the
community
survey.
A
That
would
be
something
I
would
go
for
also
like
what
they
wish.
What
are
they
need.
A
A
And
I
don't
know
like
lydia,
would
you
would
you
suggest?
Is
it
okay?
If,
if
you
do
it
asynchronously
that
people
really
have
a
look
and
a
pinpoint
topics,
insights
that
can
be
part
of
this
participatory
research
of
token
engineering
ethos
at
the
very
least,
with
respect
to
diversity?
We
have
some
insights
here
also,
for
example,
when
it
said
token,
engineering,
design
processes,
emerging
trial
and
error.
A
Well,
that's,
I
think,
that's
points
towards
yeah
that
there
are
no.
A
Yeah,
and
also
when,
when
we
look
at
what
is
mentioned
with
respect
to
what
is
considered
a
tool
chain
right.
A
Oh,
I
realized
why
why
that
so,
instead
of
two
chains,
we
ask
for
tools
and
chains.
So
that's
why
I
think
that's
why
we
see
ethereum
f3
and
the
question
mark
there.
So
I
think
people
yeah
the
the
question.
A
A
Yeah
initial
ideas
on
organizing
participatory
research
into
practical
set
of
exercises
courses.
You
know
what
is
needed,
yeah,
that's,
basically
it,
and
I
think
that
would
be.
You
know
us
moving
towards
how
to
structure
at
these
sessions,
use
these
methods
or
participatory
research
into
yeah
one.
A
The
consilience
project,
like
jumping
knowledge,
together
from
this
diverse
set
where
no
petal
of
the
of
the
cryptoeconomics
flower,
is
actually
overweighted
or
anything
but
keep
a
balance
there
and
offer
that
to
the
community
and
get
feedback
or
insights
or
raise
awareness
of
the
trans-disciplinarity
and
also
what
it
means
to
be
a
token
engineer.
B
Then
one
one
thought-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
of
roofing-
of
what
we
were
talking
about
or
the
ending
about-
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
when
you
think
about
a
blockchain
project,
there's
specific
stages
that
they
go
through
right.
B
So
there's
definitely
the
you
know
the
design
stage
and
you
know
at
the
very
beginning,
but
then
there's
also
the
stage
of
offering
right
so
token,
distribution,
right
and
there's
options
right
options
get
used
a
lot
right
in
in
blockchain
projects,
sure
that
there's
other,
like
discrete
pieces
that
that
that
are
in
general
enough
that
applied
can
prod
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
to
take
one
of
them
like
auctions,
talk
about
the
bottom
protocol.
B
How
you
know
I
I
had
you
know
question
about
the
the
fairness
of
it
right,
yeah,
but
but
taking
that,
for
example,
is
the
something
that
that
is
that
we
have
enough
data
or
exotically
right
and
also
that
can
be
relevant
to
to
dislocate
right.
B
C
B
B
And-
and
I
don't
know
who
was
mentioning
this-
the
questions
about
economics
as
well
right,
it's
yeah.
I
agree
that
it's
sometimes
really
hard
to
piece
a
part,
one
from
the
other
and
maybe
there's
other
things
that
you
know
that
get
in.
In
addition,
not
not
just
ethics
perspective,
but
some
context
matters
right,
so
the
yeah.
It's
all
about.
A
Research,
that's
also
something
so
again,
that's
that's
also
something
actually,
which
is
quite
a
useful
topic
to
share
thinking
about.
How
do
we
organize
these
topics,
research
and
then,
basically,
how
this
participatory
research
can
actually.
A
A
Accessible
and
I
think
it's
one
of
those
things
that
are
super
useful
and
it's
about
yeah,
it's
about
these
typical
questions,
like
fairness
and
so
on
and
support-
and
I
just
shared
today
in
the
working
group
just
a
couple
of
references
from
what
you
find
out
there
about
ethics
and
algorithms,
and
most
of
it,
of
course,
is
about
ai,
but
inside
a
ai
beyond
just
looking
at
the
training
of
it,
etc.
A
A
And
I
think
this
would
be
super
super
valuable
in
a
sense
like
if
that
could
be
one
one
outcome.
We
aim
for.
A
Also,
what
type
of
decisions
and
then
again
this
typical?
Who
decides
to
do
that?
A
Still
no
answer,
yeah
and
then
also
make
it
actually
interesting
for
people
to
participate,
because
at
the
very
least
they
if
they
don't
have
much
experience,
they
come
because
they
want
to
learn
about
those
phases
etc,
and
if
they
have
experience
from
those
projects,
hopefully
they
come
and
they
can
actually
share
actual
cases
of
yeah.
Where
someone
was
deeply
thinking
about
the
aspects
like
how
can
they
actually
share
these
insights
and
to
make
it
I
would
yeah,
I
would
somehow
suggest
to
to
make
it
yeah.
A
However,
from
obvious
cases
for
obvious
reasons,
because
it
shouldn't
feel
like
we're
picking
on
certain
projects,
but
definitely
we
can
pick
out
general
generally
describe
the
project
faces
and
point
to
methods
that
have
been
used
right.
So
that
is
definitely
should
do
the
how
to
call
it.
The
trick.
B
What
would
be
cool
is
in
private
right
to
talk
to
those
projects
from
coming
from
a
place
of
true
curiosity
and
trying
to
understand
right
how
how
they
went
about
these
decisions,
so
that
I
think
that
that
interaction
will
be
super
interesting
if
we
can
right
to
yet
not
kind
of,
like
you
know,
point
fingers
in
public,
but
then
in
private
kind
of
actually
there's
a
lot
of
really
smart
people
behind
these
projects.
Right.
So
I'm
sure
you
know,
evil
means
that.
A
So
I
would
be
more
interested
to
actually
getting
token
practicing
or
aspiring
token
engineers
come
and
discuss
these
questions
out
of
a
genuine
interest
and
having
genuine
questions.
A
You
know
it's
very
hard
to
to
get
at
this
stage
once
we
have
have
actually
something
that
is
practical,
also
insightful
for
for
those
projects,
I'm
sure
it
will
be
possible
or
even
desired
by
those
projects
for
sure,
but
in
this
early
stages,
I'm
more
interested
in
really
people
having
practical
questions
that
they
come
with
those
questions,
and
we
share
that
in
a
useful
manner
and
we
try
and
get
at
the
answers
collectively
so
in
dialogue
and
then
make
useful
blueprints
exactly.
This
would
be
super
interesting.
A
Okay,
then,
basically,
I
know
people
have
to
run
off
and
we're
one
minute
after
the
time
just
to
update
the
the
short
description
here.
Please
have
a
look,
but
I
think
I
haven't
heard
any
any
negative
feedback
or
or
improvement
desires.
It's
just
the
merging
of
what
we
had
put
together
the
last
weeks.
A
A
I
just
asked
letty
just
to
make
sure
if
you
can
basically-
because
you
have
already
put
a
lot
in
into
that
document,
if
you
could
make
a
post
and
I'll
make
a
post
with
respect
to
this
initiative
and
then
updating
the
main
forum.
We
already
got
this.
A
Fantastic,
so,
but
that's
amazingly
on
time
for
for
for
a
change,
we
would
have
everything
on
the
agenda
and
we
will
meet
in
two
weeks,
but
it
would
be
great
if
you
would
indulge
in
a
bit
of
exchange
in
the
in
the
chat,
especially
with
respect
to
all
the
new
info
that
has
been
shared
today,
with
frameworks
etc.
A
With
the
intention
of
how
do
we,
how
can
we
create
those
focus
group
sessions
where,
basically,
we
have
a
round
and
a
topic
and
a
set
of
yeah,
and
this
group
is
basically
in
dialogue-
is
exchanging
conversing
on
on
the
topic,
and
how
do
we
get
capture
insights?
How
to
moderate
such
a
group
that
would
be
interesting
to
to
share
and
then
also,
how
do
we
capture
the
insights?