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A

Are like a working group proposal like funding proposal, but we.

B

A

Sort of what to include it, for example, in today's agenda, I wrote thinking about library as constant ever living product of itself, so that in in our working group, a proposal we can write. Oh, we wanted to make this library self-sustainable, but we need first money kind of thing.

C

I think also also include like um some budget to have a partnership with the uh video animation and production team or animation, video production team uh from comms or from team.

C

uh Because uh I mean this is something to discuss, but I think it would be great to um like the articles or the the whatever we curate into text for the library. It would be good if we have like a like a like um uh videos made uh from from those books like like a short two three minute.

C

That explains maybe five minutes like that explains the whole thing, and it will be sort of like, like the videos that go on investopedia, that they uh show some animations around like complex or intricate topics, and they they go on explaining like derivatives and everything in just like two minutes and like just watching the video. uh It's a.

D

C

A really great addition to to the tech, so that could be something that um that that we devote some some budget to is just an idea.

E

Yeah, I'm just uh picking up things here um and also we should go what um heinek, what nick put on the agenda? Definitely but one thing before we move on, so that everyone also thinks about it, maybe uh in parallel and we can coordinate uh also after the call is um basically we're ready to actually get funds.

E

Some activity is going on and everything's fine um and we can definitely.

E

Finalize the initiative proposals that are already done right add, maybe some things like here and I would call the the initiatives groups that have formed around or maybe just the leads, who have been active, uh editing stuff um that we get those proposals ready anything new that comes up. For example, this could be parts.

E

This could be part of um the advice proposal, so not just leave it here, but really feedback, as advised into the forum proposal, and I would ask the the person I think, letty wrote.

E

The forum proposal- and I myself, uh we would then update the proposals and put them into convection water that so that those are in there and um again get the love uh they deserve and another one would be. I'm just saying, like uh update, um incorporate feedback, incorporate feedback.

E

And move to convictionwatchingproposal.com.

E

Proposal um would that work. Fine, lati.

E

For the two initiatives.

E

And the other one is the wiki omega proposal.

E

um Budget for uh focus groups sense, making like people who are active here and basically come in and pick up the slack and then also nurture the um create space for whatever the proposals need. That's those maybe in a similar way, like the um like. The other working groups, um request basic budgets uh for for work and so on that they have done our budget to cover some expenses. But I have a feeling we should talk about this next time.

E

um We have some idea like how the focus groups need nurturing, etc the sense making what type of topics and how these two activities and working groups that we get together actually can uh improve.

E

The the the the it's like background uh research for the uh two initiatives, especially ethics, but possibly are also for the initiative. um Tc library, like what manu just said, coming up with those connections, etc, is something that is going to be the ongoing work of the working group omega.

E

um I would put that on agenda for next time, if that's okay for everyone, so we get a proposal up.

E

Into conviction voting for that too,.

E

um Any any questions, so we we get this um done.

E

And this for next time it goes back to.

E

Can you hear me.

D

Yes, we can hear me.

E

Okay, um give us feedback.

E

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E

uh Mad any anything you wanted to add with respect to going into conviction, voting anything missing or so or are we going to? Are we going to discuss this anyways now.

A

I think it's good for now, like I will read it again. If I, if something come up to my mind, I will give my feedback, but we polished it well now it's yeah it's in a good shape. I guess.

E

Okay- and I would then open uh a point in the agenda for next time, anything that comes to mind and that we could improve uh with respect to how we are acknowledging the investment of time and mind share of the participants and working group other than these two points that became visible is what we do. um You can add that too and um yeah I'll at the very least, take care that we get another proposal up and running for the groundwork.

E

We can call it groundwork, laid out for initiatives that are now running and in the future. Okay, cool, five.

A

E

A

So we talked about the possible focus groups right, so we want do we want to integrate it in our working group proposal so that we will run this work. This learning group and we want fund for this kind of thing. So maybe in the next week we can decide like democratically what research ideas that we want to dive in, for example, like durgadas, has some idea. I have some idea. You have no idea, so maybe we can discuss like. Oh, we can choose up to two and let's vote it.

A

So if people vote durgada's idea, we will go for the go for it for this sprint and we will do a learning focus group around it.

A

It will be one of the tasks that we can include in omega working group proposal.

E

A

Perfect thanks.

E

So that's for next time next week and um yeah I'll share it after the call immediately so just hack into this area, then anything that comes up between what you had in mind and then okay, cool and also um maybe next week like how how we work uh with the work etc, and you know putting up tasks and and um some budget uh to make it interesting.

E

E

um So basically,.

E

um Yeah, that should be all for for next week, and also um someone wants to know who is tesla and the call.

E

Let's see the quantum 369.

E

So, um of course, mary we have some new uh participants. If you want to say hi and uh anything you want to share, please please do so else. I would give the um I would give over to you nick, if that's okay, so that we captured the um you know all the work that you have already put together.

E

What needs to be done um to to continue it, so it doesn't uh play.

E

And yeah keeps integrating. That would be great, sounds good. Stopping sharing watching my screen.

D

Okay, so in the omega task, which.

D

So all of these tasks are the stuff that I've done um already for feedback. um There's links inside all of them. For you to um view the thing I did so, for example, this one has like a sigma file and then the other ones will have like a lint or on the on the table of contents thing anyway.

D

um So I wanted to talk about is that I started the conversation with collaborating with long tail financial.

D

um So they said they're working on a on a boot camp for token engineers and omega is going to be like the first part of that boot camp, so future, like someone, will have to like stay in contact with them and figure out, what's actually happening, and we can so we can talk about it in the next steps or it's called further learning now yeah in this art here.

D

So we can update that and um also like getting someone from there and to update us on any uh educational initiatives that they're doing I've already included some of or what they already have in their calendar. In here, for example, like their office hours are on there and um yeah there's.

D

Basically, everything up, so they always had like the prime time events and block science events on their calendar, so I just added those in so someone will have to just like keep up to date with, like all the different token engineer, community events and just like update the calendar and then um for this stuff.

D

I guess it relates to the other points as well so like, if, if they feel like well, actually never mind I've already added them in the higher token engineers, just like one of the firms and block sciences on there as well, even though we're quite busy but like I just thought it would be good to have somewhere to the.

E

Very least exactly that we have because the questions are coming in and we keep answering the the same yeah and, for example, the the cat labs and so on is also in there. Oh.

D

No, it's not actually so.

E

D

Okay, and also here, let me just slide it- I don't think you're on here, yet actually the new um notion for the teeth, until it's library so definitely shut down. Okay,.

E

D

And um for the for this question, basically, what I'm trying to do is like get them to uh provide this with some other token engineers to like volunteer for um this initiative that I'm going on, which I'll talk about in a moment. So, basically like, would they like if they could give someone to advice, people working on their projects like to answer the questions, um obviously like not like proper consulting, but just like answering questions relating to the omega library content. So, if someone's like?

D

Oh this makes sense, then perhaps like one of their token, engineers can put it into context like of like the project, a project they're working on or something like that, but yeah just.

E

Yeah um and this peer learning is uh uh also concept accompanying the library right. Did we work that out somehow? Is there a section.

D

Yes, so I have it on here, so what I have set up.

A

D

Well, I have a couple example groups on here so basically, like you just enter discord stuff, whatever your name is or if you need more members and then like. If there is an advisor name like if, if ltf provides us with token engineers, that's where they'll go like say it's, dr penland, or something and then what their availability is and what the members projects are working on and then like.

D

If they have any questions, they can just like tag the advisor or like post a comment on here and then the other members can try and answer their questions because, like they're all learning together right or the advice they can, depending on their availability, yeah so yeah, that's basically.

E

That that's super cool. It's basically something like uh a learning group, peer learning group or peer support group like um people, learning about liquidity, bootstrapping pools and augmented bonding curves, and what have you and they tag what they're currently looking at from the library? Maybe they add their own novice.

E

Curation in there from those groups and basically, if someone joins um from let's say ltf or the academy- maybe alumni- I don't know- but actually if men are available and they are like. Oh, these are cool projects I want to support, or these are people with good background wanting to join token engineering or onboard token engineering. I want to make it easy for them, because we need those type of people.

E

I definitely see that happening um and uh yeah.

F

So, yes, can I say something.

E

F

This is like super interesting.

E

D

F

Learning groups- hello, hello, tesla also yeah, and the the the thing that it would be like super cool to have- maybe not in phase one, because we're trying to make this on board and easy and to have new people just getting into the library into this verse and contributing, as you say like. Oh, this is my first approach.

F

So so I'm coming here- and I want to put this put this up this group- and I want to study with these people, but if we could join these efforts with uh ltf, as you were saying, maybe the the academy and then then have this uh circular curriculum. That would be super nice to have like.

D

F

We are running the programs and the library which, with this kind of structure, so that's the and for the token engineers, because we uh nick me talked about the hiring engineers and- and I see that's like another step- we we need to maybe think about that process of hiring people from here.

E

Yeah exactly, I think we really need to nurture much much more before we even you know how we started. The academy was oh we're gonna just have uh people reviewing projects and basically I'm like no, there are not enough people and if they are, they just get scooped by the market, but you need to uh open up more and so on, and that's basically also in the academy or the token engineering community discord.

E

First, there were also study groups. The research programs are more structured, etc around a certain topic, but it's it's always good to have, and um also to create space for peer learning. So definitely uh the library can have that um or we can definitely uh invest in there. So I'm game two.

E

uh So and yeah.

C

E

Is not just one more comment, I see it as something that will evolve like, uh but that's some a point if we make the concept clear.

E

In my view, that is also a a feature of this library that is going to motivate more experience or or people who might be busy in their global token networks, whatever still take time to actually create, because imagine there are people creating learning groups around the around your creation. I think that's also very you know feeling that positive impact that you can create by giving back to the community through a in in quotation marks, simple curation, is something that is.

E

uh That speaks a lot to to people, high quality creators or experienced more experienced ones who might be yeah in the trenches that they come out and take time to to give back because they know what is will be the impact. It's not just the dead library, but actually people are creating uh and and coming together around those creations. Really nice touch and super super valuable thanks for setting this up nick so um and the tea academy do you need.

G

Do you have, I would like to say, or have you established.

E

Yes, one go ahead.

G

Yeah that um I've been talking also with with mert um this week, and um I I think that one point that could be a bridge um between the library and between omega and between gravity are the educational activities. So um our idea would be that the people that participate in the educational activities that gravity will be hosting.

G

We can redirect them to the library, but also that the people that that joins, omega and and the library can can serve as a funnel to participate um in the educational activities that we will be offering.

E

Definitely and um basically, all of uh as as dugadas always said, like all of the humanities side of this uh crypto economics flower right, I see that as as combination um yeah. If we pick up ethics here as the entry point uh literally, the the courses and the whole curriculum that uh gravity created and the gravitons is definitely something that um yeah. I see it also as an as an experience uh space if you will like reading up on those curations, but then how do you actualize um in conflict management, non-violence, communication etc?

E

So definitely would you be up for.

E

Maybe I don't know, maybe in another session or if you uh is it already visible to you like how you could use the page that nick just showed uh where maybe some um og gravitons act as uh mentors or advisors.

E

D

E

Goes with the with the curation of uh one, what you're doing manu um and do get asked creation.

G

Yeah, I think that would be great. I haven't interacted that much with the notion. I have um like the link, but I haven't interacted that much with it maybe yeah I will. I will need to to like some attention to that, but um yeah. I am willing.

H

I have a question about this. We have the crypto economics flower, but I do wonder in terms of alignment if we in the tec have the working groups that are actually.

H

Set up so they're specifically to be in alignment with the cryptoeconomics flower, you know and to maybe make an assessment of um you know. Maybe we have two working groups that are in one pedal and then none that are in another like have.

E

H

Done any kind of comparative analysis of.

E

That I don't let's see, can you show the? um Can you show the crypt economics flower once please, so I don't see as as we go like. These are useful models, uh but we don't have to live by them like they're, you know uh the ten commandments like this is. This is just something super useful. If you're like oh crypto economics, it's so multi-dimensional transdisciplinary. Where do I start where? Where do I come from?

E

You know just this locating where you are and then a library that is curated by people who have been in this domain and have worked through those rabbit holes that are nice but also demanding that they give you some not bread, crumbs but actual real menus right, nice, tasty menus, um I I'm stealing from nick's onboarding. I have like really tell you. Okay, look. This was my journey to crypto economics.

E

This is where I come from, and so on so and the way I wouldn't have even gone there like what I see very very clearly, if you look at the te academy, curriculum and also the activities is very, very engineering heavy, which is important. Why?

E

Because we need those safe engineers and safe engineering practices and so on, so it doesn't go away. It's a software uh system, it's a complex adaptive, dynamic software and data driven system.

E

So um that's that, but we have the human side of it right and that's the the psychology decision. Science, political science, philosophy, law, ethics, economics, behavioral, game theory, management. Science, like that part where I feel is more reflected somehow in token engineering comments how it was set up, literally just bringing in the praise and gratitude into a community.

E

It's happened for the first time and people are taking this on, so my my suggestion would be if, if the working groups feel that they are coming from one petal or the other, it might be useful again for if, if that flower is useful for individuals to locate themselves, maybe it's useful for working groups.

E

I I know I wouldn't try anything more than just say: hey in omega we're focused on ethics and ethos. It just has a lot to do with the uh culture or norms right and that's basically connects us then to soft gob to gravitons uh what else like um yeah. I.

H

Only asked the question because it was my observation that we um don't talk about the crypto economics flower, that much um in in the working groups that I'm in so I mean. I know we talk about it here, a lot, but it's just I just it.

G

Was a question I feel.

A

G

Be fine, sorry yeah. Maybe that would be great for sofco.

F

Yes, I think the idea of the of the flower was something to to get our minds into, because it was like kind of difficult to focus. Our several disciplines and for the sake of the library, is something that is very useful to follow up on. So people are asking. Maybe how do I contribute into this specific petal?

F

Maybe you don't need to contribute to the whole three disciplines in the same petal, but you want to say okay, this is my five top in this petal, but maybe people just want to- or some engineer want to say. Okay. This is the first principle which is like matching up all those other disciplines, maybe something with loss of governance and then smart contracts- and he comes up with this idea that this is all automation in ethics in real estate- and this is super.

D

F

For that specific thing, so this person, this engineer, who is maybe an architect or is maybe an industrial engineer or is maybe a real estate lawyer, comes up with this thing and say: okay, this is my creation and it's not in a specific library, but my first principle is automation in real estate and he contributes in that way. So it's not a specific, and this is a guiding principle for everyone that comes up and wants to contribute with something like this and it's not in a petal. But it's uh first principle. Thinking.

E

Yeah and also this transdisciplinary, the whole point why we call it consilience library is because we want those curations to actually reflect that people.

E

They don't just say hey: this is my world. This is my education. This is where I come from, and this is how I see the world and crypto economics for that matter, but that actually there has been some transcending of own paradigms of this is how I was educated, but this is what I had to learn, because I was so into it, and this is the people that I interact with on a daily basis basis, which no one told me how to and so on. So I think uh yeah.

E

We will see that getting the creations and inspiring also, why should people curate um and share also the personal or the subjective? Annotation is super important, much more important than the flower in itself. It's just a starting point and, let's see like a focal point, but you have all the freedom in your creations. That's also something that might uh put forward in in the very beginning right. We yeah.

B

um I had a little question regarding this flower. um Can I just try to make like a redesign of it.

B

Just a visual, not content-wise, but uh I'm thinking, maybe it would be nice.

E

B

A visual of it also.

E

Go go for it. It was all black and white in the original paper and this one, the the colored one that's from uh jeff, and he literally you know, made it as a fun gimmicks, but we loved it so much so and it gave color. So please go ahead, I'm I'm would be curious and uh what what you have in mind, do you already? Would you like.

B

To share what you have in mind, yeah. I had like a question for the icons because I made the backgrounds, but now I feel the icons are just a mess, so I think I will focus on the icons of tasks and promotional material.

B

Those ones, I think, are kind of soothing kind of with the background, one of task and the one of promotional material. And then I had the question on the seat: curations because yeah. That's the first question like: do you think that the blue one and the silver one are kind of the way to go, or should I like really rethink and also make this kind of greenish things like the backgrounds, also as icons and then the second question is seed creations.

B

I started going wild on the backgrounds, but then I thought maybe I should leave those pictures there, because maybe they're related to the article. Somehow so should I keep going adding and putting those kind of green backgrounds, or is it better to leave that open for persons to post their own images?

B

So those two questions and then the third one you had to make like an interpretation or like a more painted version like the icons, maybe with the colors of this kind of flower, but more like towards a painted version or maybe better to also do it as the backgrounds. So these three questions I would like to ask.

B

I don't know if someone can give some feedback on those.

H

For myself I think I put a photo in there, I'm not sure. Maybe there wasn't a photo. I can't recall exactly if I had done that.

F

I feel I need to speak because those photos are left. There are three of them, I put them on it. I think they are useful in terms of graphics and vehicles for people to come in and say.

F

Okay, this is has some kind of relation with the real quote-unquote world, so maybe for the backgrounds, I like the dynamics and the uh and obvious real style or parallel lines, but maybe for the most visual parts and if we match this with videos, as we are thinking about this, maybe this is also a clue for the video graphics.

F

So maybe for the uh for the themes I would put pictures and for the icons I could make those uh customized and I like the backgrounds, but maybe for the interior detectors. So you have.

E

I can browse.

F

In the inside yeah.

E

But for the ones that have not yet been uh taken up, um I do that it could that I think it works both well, and this is super cool like with the icon, yeah and the background, and you know even if uh what, but what, if someone changes, can we keep them somewhere like do we have we have the the files and so on right.

B

I have all my files on mint base, so I.

H

Don't have them listed as nfts.

B

But they're in the I have them backed up just the pictures that I replaced there. I didn't back up the ones that I replaced. So that's maybe my fault.

E

um And just one more question, but maybe we take it then not offline, but continue. uh One idea would be also. For example, we have this a optimization control with the art from steph and when the curator comes in and and actually takes it up, they get the the the nft's of your art is that is that something that could work, which.

H

I did um just post in the omega group the link to the tec branding assets, which may be a good repository for um you know. Maybe.

D

Getting technology.

H

You know so like maybe we could create a separate. You know section where it's for the consilience library or something- and you know that kind of thing so.

E

H

E

If you're, if you guys are wondering.

H

Like where to to put stuff- and you know that way,.

B

Now I put them on mint base because min base is connected to our weave and our weave is this kind of permanent.

D

B

Facility, so that's why I put them there, I'm kind of open to put them anywhere, I kind of like to keep them somewhere on uh that are available for persons later. Also, it would be nice if there's some kind of flow towards or tao of rasgosh or something that's. Why they're all mint base.

H

I don't know anything about mint base and I haven't heard of it so.

E

One one important uh aspect of um at the very least linking those and the github is also that we keep track of uh such contributions, um especially if we, if we realize hey okay, we could build on those more. It will be the same. um Yeah yeah.

D

And by the way, steph um for the few pages that I made these icons, um you can replace I kind of just show this architecture.

B

Yeah, I will replace all those, but I will focus on blue green silver and black. I think that will be like the color palette for the next icons.

E

So if you, if you link those in notion or in github, that we at the verdi's have those links uh and your contribution in there um yeah at the very least in notion, so we have the contribution.

B

Yes, I will link everything in the in the notion and the task that I'm working on there I'll put all the urls of our weave on the main base. So you have all that material together. It just.

D

Took me some time, because I.

B

Was in omicrom this week, so I'm going a bit slower.

E

Oh yeah, okay,.

E

Take take uh take time to hear.

B

Yeah, that's fine! It's already over. It was just a bit of a hot day, anyways I'll make it work. Give me another week or something.

E

Cool cool, okay,.

E

E

Peer nick working is, is a big check. I think we can. We can. um We have enough people uh who want to continue and that's great addition and ltf is also. I find, I think, I'm in contact burger dash is in contact with them who, who else is ltf fan here.

E

I can't matt, you you're also yeah, so I think there too, uh and with the tea academy, um did talks already happen with angela or or someone else from the academy.

D

No not yet, but I absolutely I have seen someone from uh tv academy talking to communities so like, maybe when.

A

You were to meet with youtube people.

D

From the library they can also like, let us know what events are happening at the tv academy, because it looks like teen academy community.

D

Well, at least I saw messages on like tonita's channel or someone from the academy being like.

E

Do we have someone from community here or one of us acting community.

C

Yeah, I'm a guy, I'm a guy. There.

E

Yes, perfect, so, okay, do you think, have you picked up uh on on that? What nick just shared with the questions.

D

D

But uh you're already aware of this, I can't do this yeah your voice, yeah.

C

Okay, perfect, I just need to I need to. I need to tell edu from community, let's see how we can coordinate this.

E

Okay, cool and if you, if you need uh support, etc, don't hesitate, but if there are already connections happening, let's use them and if you need anything, I can also contact uh angela. It's not a problem, but it's just because you know the the stack is just so overfull that if there are other connectors happening that we just use them.

E

Then let you had mentioned something about an inverter proposal. I think that's an insider joke that I don't get.

F

Maybe there we go, but I'm not aware of the joke, so I cannot make it but uh yeah. This is something that is floating around the community. I think because in the collapse, sean is trying to dog food, an inverted proposal- and this is something that maybe mert can talk about, because he, I think, he's liaising with prime dog with this as well. I think the.

E

F

Of instead of uh making one proposal and say: okay, we need these funds and we're asking this for the to the common school of uh the tech. We instead say: okay. We uh think this is a good proposal for the whole community or communities or those which are around us, and we say: okay, let's liaise with them directly and ask maybe from this treasury we ask this kind of amount of quantity and to the other pressure.

F

So this needs like a whole coordination to several communities of those, and this is kind of what I think is the inverted proposal. But since I didn't have time to read the whole post or even be in a in a lab session, I really uh don't know what the dynamics, but I think this is the idea.

D

F

Only to us uh funds from one treasury, but instead liaising with the whole community so.

D

F

People right this is a whole proposal for several communities. So let's, uh let's call the night: that's the idea. It's a joke!.

D

Just one question: sorry: no nick go ahead. Whoever is coordinating with long tail. Financial can also talk to them about the invertebrate, also because I think uh one of their engineers working on it.

E

C

I I'm already in contact with with long-term financial regarding uh some research of automatic trading strategies, um so I can, um I can be in contact with them with mike um mike and liam yeah.

E

C

Cool and mark murdoch knows them, so the both of us can. We can coordinate that.

A

H

Yeah, I I also know them pretty well too.

A

So maybe, through proposal inverter, if we wanted to give a proposal regarding to library instead of just giving into tec, we can give to a proposed inverter and find trying to find a couple of our funders to fund us.

A

So basically, what proposal do is instead of multiple dollars, giving multiple proposals. Multiple dollars will give one proposal so that they don't get like they don't have to use. They don't have to deal with organizational problems like.

F

Like us, maybe, and just to correct myself, I said press release, it's not treasury. It just raised backing up the reserve for our currency. It could be the common pools or the associated funds from other communities that are available to fund this kind of proposals. Yes to be very specific, yeah.

E

Okay: okay, cool! um That's! That's bad! um Just a question then, uh to juan and durgadash from graviton. Have you come across that as well, because obviously, gravity and gravitons are needed across or that type of learning is needed across house? Have you come across this or have you made use of it already somehow.

H

I think it's a thing. We definitely need to invest more in because yeah I mean it is a not only a way to get funding, but it's also a way to uh leverage. um I think I think it's a little bit more of a phase two thing right right now, so we're right now in sort of phase, one of gravity, gravity and so moving into phase two we'll be able to then.

D

H

You know do that type of thing, but I think right now we want to make sure that our all of the infrastructure that we're creating and all the.

D

H

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So on are generalizable in in the sense that uh it'll be applicable.

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So maybe you can speak more to that. One.

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I see that also possible for the sessions, but sorry juan. Please go ahead.

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No that I agree with durga: that's that um this uh space is so fast paced that um there are always new things to add and to do, but um that um right now we are, we want to like continue the operations that we have been having, but in in in a group way, and um we we will have also um a lot of of um like activities um towards the business development side and funding the um like marketing and and um business activities, um make it more sustainable.

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See that as the possibility for tea ethics, but there again, we should have the practice session ready and maybe run once within the token engineering community and see how how well it works.

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Then those could be also part of the ethics uh related curations and so on, where uh those practice sessions and and facilitators or people who have participated in them, can become this. um Oh.

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Yeah, look at that stream, but but just be there and and also people going through those sections or those curated creations that they have people ready for them and so on um yeah. That definitely also see that after we have the content, but for the library in itself it seems like. um Maybe it could be even at the end of phase one or towards you know, once you have seed creations and so on and testing it out, it actually makes sense to share it more with more people.

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Definitely so yeah.

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I see that sean.

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Hey hello, hey.

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Hey nice to be here, I could only catch the last 10 minutes, but it's uh yeah, I'm just tuning in just saying hi.

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Hi super cool, so one part was the inverter proposal uh that you know. How can um the the library be useful and maybe cross-funded from others, and that people in ltf know and then work about it so manu and merit will be in contact with the the ltf uh people yeah.

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One is cool, just.

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Done that and the other one was.

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Okay, there's uh tec squad emerging, um who I'm just blanking a bit on uh um mitch and there's two. I know mert, of course, is deeply involved, but I think overall across a few working groups and the stewards there's four or five people, at least in the tec, who really want to go in on this proposal inverter. So it's cool we're. Actually. What we have now is like three full squads.

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We have like a tec squad, we have an ltf squad and we have a prime dow squad so um and so we're seeing some interesting emergent phenomenon already, because we call this the dog food uh yeah, the dog food model for the proposal, inverter we're basically trying to use the proposal inverter to fund the proposal inverter, and so what we're seeing now is that all of the at least proposed pairs, so we're we're thinking um actually for pairs.

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We have prime dow tec and git coin and so two out of the three payers- and these are proposed pairs, so we're just kind of finalizing the proposals um two out of three of them are actually supplying workers as well. So I wonder if this would be a consistent phenomenon where payers are also supplying. Workers creates like a internally circular economy. It's like micro economies inside of a intra dow collaboration project, so um yeah excited. Definitely please reach out.

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There is like a tec squad forming so it'll, be cool to see, see what form that takes.

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Yeah, yeah and and basically also with respect to work like what of the work that needs to be done or that we're doing for the library and maybe.

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For the tea ethics sessions, I don't know like uh how that can be leveraged in multiple uh groups. Is that the direction that is going like not just the funds, but also the brains.

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Totally, I will share quickly. I see mertz in here. I think we're gonna go no he's literally in the mirror board, where I just jumped too. I think he had the same idea as me, but I'm just gonna share my screen really fast and show that, uh by the way, mert's doing an awesome job like in the prime dial workshops being the facilitator. He he's kind of, like the tamara of the proposal.

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Inverter group he's really structuring um sprints really well and reflections, and things like that, so um he gave this pitch today in the workshop, but january 24th to february 10th. This is sprint two just opening up. um We did complete sprint, one surprisingly hitting every item on uh the sprint and, like mert, said wow, never seen that in a dao before so exciting. I think this is what happens when we have, inter dow collaboration. We actually get the bodies, we get the numbers of people coming out and really filling in all those roles.

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So we were able to hit all these check boxes in sprint, one and sprint two. We have an iteration on the mvp spec, which we reviewed today in the workshop. um Heavy industry outreach, so thinking about integrations and documentation on those with things like vaults, coordinate, bitcoin, bonding curves cross chain for the pi, urine, finance and popcorn finance, and a few others came up today. Jeff emmett shared this radical drip.

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He thinks it's really important, that we pay attention to it and understand it in the context of the proposal inverter, because it is about a network of streaming funds. So it is he's saying you know, don't reinvent the horse. We can probably grab these smart contracts, use them plug on top of it, and then what we want to bring is the user experience we want to make streamlined collaboration so that that's really the theme of the proposal inverted actually, there's two themes that emerge today in the workshop. One is streamlined.

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Collaboration and number two is curation for projects so that, oh, no matter what dao you're in you can see the projects that are emerging across the dao space and there's some sort of curation aspect we're actually looking at recommendation engines so similar. It's gonna be like the netflix of projects of decentralized projects. That's the idea, um lots of cool stuff, I think that's yeah, so workspace setup and squad definitions.

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Like I said these squads are emerging, so we just want to have those well defined throughout the sprint and then just continuing continuing on these simulation uh diagramming and agent behavior iterations. That's the cool thing to um show long tail a little bit.

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We do have a squad there of modelers, thomas taz and austin, really strong sort of two computer scientists and a physicist, and they have been putting together these agent-based modelings for the proposal inverter and I we have got to show them off a couple times in the workshops, but I think there's a lot more. There they're making some pretty epic contributions to token engineering. So maybe that is an aspect that we could bring into omega at a later time to share the agent-based approach that they're taking.

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That that could be definitely something also. We have uh one one session on. It seems like.

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That would be really neat.

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Or what do you think or if you for or if that is more efficient, that if you share, I don't know if you have recordings or anything that you just I.

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Think we should uh also, maybe in like two weeks from now- I'm not sure the omega schedule, but in like two weeks from now, um we do a session on agent-based simulations and maybe just the proposal inverter one or it. You know two weeks we can kind of advertise a little bit. Maybe other people want to talk about some concepts or share some things as as well.

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Okay: okay: let's, uh let's note that because we have for next week, but then in two weeks we could put it on the agenda. If this time is cool or else we can, uh you can just advertise it here whenever this is happening and we join you in in those sessions but you're more than welcome to to come and be hosted in in omega as well.

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Yes, I would love that I'm trying to get more of the long tail team out to omega on a consistent basis, so this will give them an excuse to all all get out and get familiar with it.

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I think the library will be definitely a nice connection, also connection to the boot camps or curriculum of the academy. So any any group that is actually helping people really on board and they have um you know their their own specific curated curriculum.

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I mean coming from long tails in tech and with the with the uh focus or um yeah the the skills that you have and you're building out um that definitely I see those groups or those communities have uh maybe different folk foci and the the library is basically something you could have ltf creation within there. Maybe uh things.

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Like that could be too yeah.

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But in any case, let's uh keep that in mind that, like anywhere where knowledge is being created and and flows, this library can be a helpful, onboarding and and also off-boarding after the the boot camps or any curriculum that you have like where to next. What should I go and look into I'm coming from these backgrounds? Now I participated in ltf boot camp or the the graviton uh education.

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I I've seen nick doing really good work on this. um We haven't got to chat yet, but I've seen really cool flow charts and things like that- I think that's been happening here in omega, which is pretty exciting, so definitely yeah happy to contribute some kind of like pipelines, educational pipelines that could just fit into that ecosystem.

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