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A
That's
him,
but
for
me,
was
that
my
personality
and
who
I
am
are
two
entirely
different
things
and
to
have
humility
before
time.
Sometimes
we
we.
A
We
enter
into
the
narrative
of
odds
versus
them
and
trying
to
change
the
world
and.
B
A
The
people
who
are
destroying
it
or
inflating
others
or
whatever,
and
and
really
it's
it.
It's
about
you
know
yeah
having
humility
before
time
and
and
operating
from
a
dark,
magnet
versus
an
other
big
fashion
and
that
this
life
that
we're
living
now
is
a
narrative
illusion
and
and
as
such,
you
can
look
into
other
epics
or
myths
throughout
time
to
to
see
how
this
narrative.
A
Can
be
better
lived
through
and
to
use
duality
against
itself,
which
is
how
paradoxes
work
through
like
that
story,
where
a
teacher
tells
a
student
you
have
a
if
you
here.
Is
this
stick?
If
you
pick
it
up,
I'm
gonna
hit
you
with
it.
If
you
leave
it
there,
I'm
to
hit
you
with
it,
and
so
the
student
takes
the
stick
and
breaks
it.
So
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
thing.
C
That's
that's
super
interesting
in
a
sense
also
how
how
it
ties
to
comms
and
it
or
how
it
ties
to
comes
would
be
the
interesting
part.
But
it
reminded
me
also
of
something
I
read
in
finite
and
infinite
games,
and
that
was
precisely
about.
C
You
know
how
people,
by
trying
to
change
for
good
right,
it's
kind
of
the
by
trying
to
change
their
ending
other
people's
games
and
that's
the
ultimate
evil
kind
of
you
know
or
or
that's
the
source
of
yeah
evil
sounds
a
bit
the
the
words
that
they're
that
he's
using
are
sometimes
a
bit
too
spiritual
for
me
or
not
spiritual,
have
a
link
to
a
religion,
but
it's
mostly
like
you
say
you
want
to
change
something
for
the
better,
but
then
you're
intervening
with
other
people's
narratives.
C
If
you
will
and
most
of
the
time
the
you
know,
the
things
or
the
problems
that
we
need
to
deal
with
are
the
problems
that
are
created
by
the
solutions
right
to
other
problems,
kind
of
and
that
kind
of
resonated
with
that
part.
C
A
Because
we
were,
I
was
talking
with
zero
about
something
else,
about
the
difference
between
praise
and
source
great
and
then
came
in,
and
I
we
had
started
talking
about
reality,
tran
surfing,
which
is
sort
of
like
a
like
a
manifestation
framework,
and
so
when
dorian
came
in.
I
was
curious
about
his
opinion
on
it
and
started
telling
him
how
my
conception
of
god
had
evolved
recently
from
thinking
that
god
is
unconscious,
and
so
it's
it
has
to.
It
has
to
be
made
conscious
through
through
us.
A
You
know
packaged
within
our
bodies
and
that's
why
also
you
know
jesus
christ
became
became
man.
I
think
there's
historic
evidence
for
that,
but
maybe
we
don't
have
to
go
there
etc.
So
I
was
just
curious
about
how
and
really
came
from
from
from
young
from
cj
young
interpretation
of
the
story
of
job,
a
biblical
story
about
god,
making
a
wager
with
the
devil.
Regarding
one
of
his
most
faithful,
you
know,
believers
and
and
and
so
he
he
he
tries
to
explain
this
by
saying.
A
Well,
it's
an
analogy
between
the
conscious
and
the
unconscious
the
way,
the
way
the
whole
god
framework
is
it's
it's
it's
it's
that
so
it
just
went
into
a
one-hour
long
talk
about
about
community.
A
C
So
so
maybe
we
will
have
tangents
to
that.
I
mean
with
this
ethical
aspect
or
token
engineering
ethics.
It's
number
one,
that's
what
durga
does
has
on
its
on
his
desk
right.
So
how
come
or
how
do
you
dare
to
change
or
to
incentivize
everyone
else
for
the
better
and
think
to
know
how
to
program
those
those
values?
C
If
you
are
not
aware
of
your
own
values,
where
you
stand
and
how
you
make
for
yourself
decisions
how
you
decide,
ethics
or
morality
right,
you
have
your
own
morality,
maybe
or
maybe
you
have
to
discover
it
first
and
then
ethics
or
ethical
aspects
that
we
seem
to
agree
kind
of
that
we
need
to
take
context
into
account
and
do
it
as
actually
in
one
of
your
slides.
D
Thinking
on
this,
in
my
view,
there
are
the
way
all
systems
are
set
up,
is
there's
a
stimulus
and
then
there's
a
response
right,
and
so
so
there
are
three
aspects
to
that.
For
me,
the
stimulus
and
the
response,
and
then
the
space
between
and
the
most
important
part
of
this
entire
thing
is
the
space
between
right.
So
for
me,
I'm
okay
with
having
any
given
stimulus,
I'm
okay
with
developing
a
library
responses,
but
the
the
primary
work
that
I
feel
like
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
you
know.
D
Thinking
in
terms
of
ethics
is
what
are
the?
What
is
the
diaspora
of
responses
that
we
can
create
in
the
space
between
the
stimulus
and
the
actual
response?
D
Do
you
see
what
I
mean,
and
so,
but
the
the
primary
thing
when
we
talk
about
ethics
is
there
are
a
lot
more
things
to
this
than
just
ethical
considerations
or
moral
considerations,
but
but
in
terms
of
ethics
and
morality,
it
seems
to
me
that
the
primary
consideration
is
that
of
consent
right
and
so
and
and
specifically
informed
consent
right,
and
so
so,
when
I'm
considering
anything
having
to
do
with
ethics,
I'm
always
trying
to
think
do.
D
All
the
things
that
I'm
talking
about,
and
so
so
on
on
either
side
of
those
decision
made
the
walls
of
those
two
things
of
this
garden.
Let's
say
of
a
decision
making
space
is
detachment,
which
is
to
say,
I
have
to
be
removed
enough
from
the
thing
to
be
able
to
where
I
have
no
skin
in
the
game.
In
a
way
you
know
like.
I
have.
D
D
That
I
think
about
it
is
the
the
detachment
is
the
soil
of
this
garden
and
the
the
things
which
grow
are
the
variety
of
responses
which
I
can
I
can
then
you
know
take
out
of
like,
as
my
my
cornucopia
out
of
the.
D
Good
responses,
you
know,
and
so
for
me,
that's
the
process
and-
and
I
think
I
might
have
shown
you-
that
I've
developed
a
bit
of
of
a
framework
for
how
we
do
that
in
this
space,
which
I
could
show
you
again,
if
you
want.
C
Yeah,
so
one
one
thing
here:
all
of
a
sudden
lighten
lighted
up
is
detachment
in
this
decision
making
space
right
detachment.
That
is
actually
a
pretty
a
great
connection
to
all
of
the
biases
that
we
have
right,
the
confirmation
bias
and
maybe
also
you
know,
group
thing
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
some
of
those
things
I
added
and
or
in
this
token
engineering
ethics
proposal
or
initiative
proposal-
I
just
took
notes.
C
I
just
wanted
to
also
highlight
that
part
what
you
said,
that
it
makes
sense
or
that
it's
where,
where
it
connects,
because
we
know
we're
modeling,
we
have
our
own
assumptions,
biases,
etc,
and
we
need
to
first
of
all
be
aware
of
those.
Then
this
detachment,
all
of
a
sudden,
makes
sense
for
me,
it's
one
of
those
notions
that
never
or
I
had
I
struggle
with
typically
like
how
do
you
detach
from
outcomes
and
what
have
you,
but
that's
what
we're
actually
talking
about
when
we
say
check
your
assumptions.
C
C
D
D
So
yeah
so
you
know,
may
I
will
you?
Yes,
you
may
right
and
so.
B
D
And
so
on,
the
inside
is
the
the
consent
thing
right,
but
then
on
the
outside
is
the
shadow
stuff.
You
know.
B
D
Tolerate
others,
I'm
just
going
to
endure
stuff
that
maybe
I
wouldn't
I
might
be
a
doormat
or
a
pushover
or
a
victim.
B
D
Come
off
as
passive
right,
where,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
in
a
servant,
mentality
right,
if
I'm
giving
in
a
giving
mentality,
then
I
could
become
office
or
do
good
or
like
look
at
me.
I
did
this
great
thing
or
claiming
behavior
like
I,
you
know
I.
B
B
D
There's
all
these
sort
of
different
aspects
would-
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
you-
know,
figure
out
a
way
to
programmatically
see
how
the
consent
thing
works.
In
terms
of
you
know,
ethics
right,
so
I
like
this
because
it
actually
has
some
logic
to
it.
You
know.
C
Yeah,
we'll
definitely
go
deeper,
so
we
should
definitely
go
there.
Why?
Because
this
whole
ethics
and
consent?
One
question
there
is:
how
did
you
get
the
link
to
consent
in
from
your
perspective,.
C
Because
you're
you,
we
could
see
it.
As
you
know,
a
group
of
people
who,
let's
say
the
the
techies
or
token
engineers
or
the
technical
token
engineers
or
token
engineers,
on
the
engineering
side
or
maybe
more
experience.
C
You
know,
at
the
very
least,
very
well
informed
to
make
those
decisions
and
to
be
able
to
say
yes,
we
are
participating
and
we
are
actively
and
we
are
not
being
manipulated
by
a
mass
manipulation,
machine
on
global
scale
and
being
rewarded
for
it
with
tokens.
So
that's
that
kind
of
is
the
question
of
token
engineering.
Ethics
is
what
can
one
do
if
you
are
on
the
door
side
right?
C
What
can
you
assure
enable,
or
what
will
be
your
repertoire
to
enable
this,
to
enhance
participation,
to
enhance
information
accessibility
so
that
you
know
that
this
token
network
is
out
in
the
open?
Everyone
can
participate,
but
everyone
also
has
access
to
information
in
an
understandable
manner.
To
actually
be
able
to
consent
to
the
participation,
because
a
lot
of
what
we
see
in
token
projects
or
networks
is
formal
induced
by
by
sometimes
by
designers,
sometimes
by
you
know,
just
evangelists,
if
you
will
sometimes
just
good
intentions,
but
also
they're.
C
D
That
could
consent
is
see
like
I'll
give
you
an
example.
D
I'm
really
only
interested
in
participating
in
this
community
and
certain
limited
ways,
and
my
because
my
interest
is
only
limited
to
certain
things
and
therefore
I'm
I'm
outsourcing
my
my
trust
in
other
people
to
create
something
and
what
I'm
doing
is
I'm
trying
to
influence
them
so
that
what
they
create
is
better.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
like
and
then
I'm.
B
D
B
D
Change
agents,
in
the
sense
of
where
you
know
the
the
the
engineers
themselves
are
doing
this
thing
right
and
I
have
a
huge
body
of
technical
information
in
what
I
do.
But,
but
so
I
think,
if
we,
if
we,
if
we
keep
in
mind
that
that
each
each
of
these
has
to
be
participating,
do
you
know
what
I
mean
we
have
to
have
the
technical
we
have
to
have
the
educational,
but
also
the
people
have
limits
right.
D
So
to
some
degree
you
know
my
informed
consent,
I'm
willing
to
waive
parts
of
it,
because
I
just
don't
want
to
spend
the
amount
of
time
learning.
You
know
the
specific
decisions
that
a
given
token
engineer
made
about
a
variable
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
this
thing.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean
and
so
to
what
degree
you
know
I
participate
in
as
a
kind
of
a
spectrum
it
seems
to
me,
but
at.
D
You
know
I
don't
know
so
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is.
Is
there
anything
in
this
that
I
could
add
consent
behind,
because
it
seems
like
consent
is,
could
be
at
any
one
of
these
steps
really.
C
So
what
number
one
I've
seen
the
earlier
iterations
and
this
one
is
super
on
point
almost.
I
would
love
to
just
build
on
this
in
in.
C
Especially
on
the
participation
site-
I
I
will
just
share
after
this
I'll
share
our
documents,
so
we
can
put
things
in
there,
but
one
thing
you
said,
and
everyone
else
please
jump
in
into
the
discussion
right.
So
if
you
want
to
add
something
or
have
questions,
but
this
one
is
really
good.
C
You
set
in
this
informed
consent
because
there
are
limitations.
Time
and
also
you
know
knowledge,
you
don't
want
or
can
build
up
knowledge
or
you
just
get
bits
of
it.
So
you
are
outsourcing.
D
Yeah,
so
there
are
two
two
parts
of
this
that
I
think
of
number
one
is
that
the
the
non-cryptocultural
dynamic
is
such
that
it's
constantly
encouraging
us
to
outsource
all
of
our
lives.
Everything
to
some
centralized
authority
where.
B
B
D
A
huge
part
of
what
the
cryptocultural
build
is
seems
to
me
to
be
trying
to
do
is
to
sort
of
retake
back
our
autonomy
and
agency,
but
at
the
same
time,
because
we're
so
trained
to
outsource
our
autonomy
and
agency
that
in
some
ways
we
almost
have
to
take
into
account
when
people
arrive
in
this
cryptocurrency
space
that
we're
going
to
have
to
train
them
away
from
that
assumption
and
say
to
them
explicitly
that
this
is
the
thing
that's
happening
out
there.
This
is
what's
happening
in
here,
rather
than.
F
D
Do
you
know
what
I
mean
and
I
think
that's
part
of
this
educational
change
agent
thing?
What
I'm
saying
to
you,
though,
is,
is
that,
because
I
have
limited
time
and
energy
right,
what
I
have
to
be
able
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
have
informed
consent
about
where
I
can
make
a
difference
in
this
community
and
then
out
be
willing
to
outsource
and
trust
the
rest
of
the
community
to
carry
out.
D
Functions
on
my
behalf,
right
without
falling
back.
D
C
That's
literally
what's
happening
in
crypto;
basically
they
they
come
in.
You
know
on
on
some
tokens
and
even
hack,
literally
through
ether,
scan
to
get
at
these
tokens,
and
then
they
realize
you
know
what
they
just
did
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
ask
for
you
know
you
have
to
do
this
right
and
so,
and
so
this
whole
the
the
range
also
between
out
you
know,
trusting
the
government
trusting
the
authorities
versus
trustless,
bitcoin
trustless
and
in
between
again
is
this
range
of
agency.
C
It's
this
balance
of
autonomy
and
interdependence
right,
and
this
learning
and
unlearning.
So
this
something
like
the
participation
participants
journey
if
you
will
and
that
the
environment
must
be
able
to
provide
these
these
functions
or
these
steps,
as
you
as
you
put
here,
so
I
I
really
like
that.
C
B
B
C
Yeah,
because
that
was
one
part
that
I
you
know
seeing
the
token
engineering
or
token
engineers
or
practitioners
right
who
have
to
make
these
decisions
on
the
domain
or
business
side,
as
well
as
on
the
technical
implementation
side
that
I
had
my
head
wrapped
around
or
we
are
currently
dealing
with
it.
But
we
have
not
yet
taken
into
account
the
participants
journey.
It
was
my
feeling
like
what
does
it
mean?
C
Okay,
we
talk
about
token
engineering
ethics
and
then
people
making
active
decisions
and
determining
making
choices
for
a
token
economy
that
they
need
to
be
ethical.
But
I
I
was
always
thinking
we're
missing.
The
other
part
like,
as
you
say,
this
is
a
participatory,
open
network
right
and
as
a
participant
who
gains
autonomy.
Self-Agency.
C
You
also
need
to
be
more
active,
so
it's
almost
also.
You
know,
unethical.
C
If
you
participate
in
an
open
token
economy
and
then
expect
you
know
things
to
work
out
or
you
know
the
parameters
being
set
perfectly.
If
you
you
know
and
then,
if
they
didn't
or
if
you,
if
you
don't
understand
things
or
what
is
the
state,
for
example,
you
know
you
can't
just
stand
there
and
raise
your
hand
and
say
I
don't
know
where
we're
at,
but
basically
ask
for
directions
at
the
very
least
and
then
be
active
part
of
it.
So
let
me
share.
C
G
D
D
B
G
D
Can
collaborate
on
on
that
and
then
and
then
in.
C
C
D
E
D
H
C
So
I
think,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
input
we
can
take
on,
and
that
might
be
actually
the
the
starting
point
of
our
of
our
focus
groups.
C
Basically,
so
we
know
what
are
the
phases
we
go
through
right,
maybe
also
progressive,
decentralization
meaning
there
will
be
iterations
of
those
phases,
but
in
each
phase
we
know
also,
what's
you
know,
patterns
literally
the
soft
interrelational
aspects
of
a
token
economy
of
a
community
coming
together
right,
but
also
that
very
hard
quantitative
and
mechanistic
aspects
of
literal
token,
engineering
and
implementation
and
deployment,
and
in
those
phases
and
steps
we
know,
or
at
the
very
least,
that
would
be
the
first
thing
we
can
start
with
and
then
also
exchange
in.
C
Those
focus
groups
is
what
are
the
decisions
that
participants
in
both
the
very
active
and
both
those
who
or
those
who
make
those
decisions?
C
And
maybe
I
don't
know
if
we
would,
we
might
be
able
to
come
up
with
these
this
response
library,
but
that
would
be
a
nice
setting
the
stage
for
this
first
first
round
and
I
will
incorporate
what
we
just
discussed
definitely
entire
screen.
Let
me
also
share,
I
shared
the
link
in
the
in
our
chat
as
well,
but
this
token
engineering
ethics.
Yes,
the
proposal
is
here.
H
Does
it
is
it
building
up?
At
least
I.
I
C
C
I
C
C
Basically,
just
this
whole
life
cycle
almost
or
maybe
jumping
if
you
have
a
better
words
like
the
life
cycle
of
token
engineering,.
D
C
D
C
So
you
can
basically
add,
as
here
together
in
this
document,
and
I
would.
C
I
I
would
just
refine
it
or
make
it
make
it
a
bit
more
accessible,
but
the
one
thing
that
was
interesting
was
this
participants
journey
I
mean
the
participant
are
the
people
who
are
not
actively
taking
decisions
in
the
token
engineering
design
pays
right,
but
they
are
definitely
affected
as
participants
by
those
decisions.
C
Now,
if
we
have
when
we
have
the
journey
basically
again
underneath
we
have
basically.
D
To
do
a
a
focus
matrix
for
that
to
determine
who
who
the
actual
participants
are,
and
I
think
I've
asked
in
a
bunch
of
different
contexts
for
this.
I
think
this
would
do
a
lot
for
us
to
know
specifically,
you
know
who
would
be
there
so,
for
example,
what's
the
life
cycle
of
of
a
steward
or
what's
the
life
cycle
of
a
you.
B
D
So
somebody
like
me
or
a
graviton
or
you
know.
J
J
And
if
we
want
to
include
this
consent,
shadow
part,
I
also
see
it
as
a
matrix,
and
you
can
see
you
can
put
the
users
inside
the
petals
of
this
consent.
Shadowy
part,
because
we
will
see
that
those
are
interconnected
as
well.
In
this
unity,
constant,
shadowy
roles
of
every
participant
in.
J
This
and
it's
going
to
be
connected
with
the
four
quadrants
as
well,
so
we
theoretically
at
the
end,
we
can
make
this
programmatic
cat
cat
simulation
to
see.
What
are
the
problems.
C
I
I'm
not
so
sure
how
how
our
cat
goes
at
that
level.
B
C
Now
we
need
to
put
in
some
natural
language
processing,
I
think
like
getting
all
of
the
qualitative
space.
Analyzed
will
be
so
so
interesting
yeah,
but
now
that
we
had
this
initial
discussion,
I
just
saw
that
what
we
had
until
now
was
more
on
the
sugar
practical
side
and
what
the
introductory
exchange
that
we
just
now
had
is
actually
the
the
playing
field
almost
like
okay,
this
is
the
participants
journey.
They're
consenting,
I
mean
even
a
token
engineer,
one
person,
let's
take
a
technical,
you
know
model
modeler
right.
C
Even
they
are
a
participant
and
they
have
a
journey
right.
So
that's
maybe
we
will
have
to.
We
will
have
a
nice
interesting
time
working
on
these,
I
guess,
but
what
we
would
need
to
do
is
pick
out
the
or
get
that
to
a
level
of
abstraction
that
you
know
other
token
networks
who
might
not
have
the
same
instantiation
as
tech,
for
example,
with
stewards
and
so
on.
It
seems
like
a
pattern,
but
might
not
be
necessarily.
J
Different
from
the
other
graphic,
from
the
other
graphic
that
you
guys
saw,
that
is
like
the
a
product
journey
more
or
less
to
set
up
the
start
of
the
corporation,
and
this
is
like
different.
If
we
see
it
from
a
journey
perspective,
so
there
may
be
like
a
basic
journey
or
a
basic
path.
But
then
you
have
all
these
interconnections
that
are
gonna,
be
different
yeah
and
it's
it's
a
matrix
as
well.
J
C
And
the
one
basically,
I
think,
to
get
us
the
one
drawing
or
tag
the
graphics
that
you
have.
C
Outside
or
almost
like
that,
you
know
participants
journey
walking
through,
but
in
the
middle.
Those
three
tires
basically
are
the
almost
like
the
phases
in
design
where
ethical
dilemmas
can
be
counteracted
or
accommodated
without
becoming
detrimental
to
this
participation
or
consenting.
C
C
So
and
basically
trying
to
to
wrap
up
and
and
get
to
get
feedback.
What
else
might
be
missing
is
the
idea,
I'm
if
you
haven't
seen
that
also
please
review
one
second
here:
the
research
areas,
research
methods
document
that
we
have
what
lydia,
mostly
populated,
is
really
nice,
putting
together
of
methods
that
fits
to
us
or
to
this
to
to
our
emergent
culture
and
ethics
or
itos.
C
I
guess,
and
what
we
picked
from
that
is
basically,
yes,
it
is
going
to
be
participatory
research
and
it
is
going
to
be
with
focus
groups
and,
and
the
initial
focus
groups
and
talk
topics
would
be
basically
the.
I
would
really
take
this
one.
First,
this
life
cycle
token
entering
token
economy,
the
the
journeys
basically
from
different
perspectives,
and
as
that
you
also
said
you
know,
at
the
very
least,
the
four
quadrants,
as
as
view
point
of
views.
J
Yeah
we
were
trying
to
find
the
person
alone
that
what
are
the
the
points
we
would
have
to
focus
on?
I
think
that's
very
explanatory.
C
Exactly
exactly,
and
that
would
be
basically
the
the
at
the
well
enough
abstraction
level.
So
every
every
participant
in
that
focus
group
can
can
get
a
foothold,
but
that
would
be
basically
us
laying
the
or
creating
the
map
and
then
showing
the
ethical
dilemmas
that
can
emerge
or
heavy
merge
where
we
have
basically
participation
and
people
are
exchanging
their
experiences
and
and
using
their
own
words,
etc.
So
and
what
we
would
need
to
decide.
C
Maybe
working
this
out
like
how
many
sessions
we
should
put
into,
or
maybe
make
multiples
per
week
or
one
week
off
talking
about
a
life
cycle
right
only
on
a
higher
abstraction
level.
I
would
say
right
all
participants
all
views.
C
The
second
group
that
was
pretty
practical
and
and
already
visible
from
our
former
talks,
was
why,
or
you
know,
this
ethical
dilemmas,
unethical,
behavior,
etc.
Why
and
when
can
that
emerge
and
that
that
was
something
that
I
thought
was
resonated
that
unethical
behavior
also
emerges
because
of
you
know
time
pressure.
C
Goal
setting
setting
a
goal
without
knowing
whether
that
goal
will
be
beneficial
for
whom
and
all
those
all
those
aspects
right
and
then
really
analyzing
the
environment.
If
you
will
and
then
we
had
couple
of
things
coming
up
like
agile
framework,
is
it
a
good
or
a
bad
thing?
C
And
actually
I
haven't
linked
it
here,
but
I
went
back
to
basic
and
literally
one
of
the
founding
fathers
of
agile
uncle
bob
has
published.
C
Robert
something
I
forgot
his
name,
but
he
literally
published
a
book
on
this
in
2019
just
a
couple
of
years
back
saying:
okay,
I
have
to
set
the
record
straight.
You
know
as
a
mindset
more
about
mindset
than
than
processes,
and
he
points
out
all
of
the
things
that
have
been
implemented
or
left
out
and
that's
why?
C
Basically,
we
have
things
like
dark,
agile,
etc,
and
the
other
thing
that
came
up
when
I
did
a
bit
of
research
is
that
currently
very
new
to
2020
2021
people
are
now
talking
about
ethics
in
agile,
so
agile
has
taken
the
the
world
or
has
been
accepted
so
well,
because
who
doesn't
want
to
be
agile
right
in
a
competitive
world
if
you're,
more
agile
than
your
competitor,
you're
winning
big,
but
exactly
that
mindset
has
also
corrupted
actual
values,
agile
values,
that's
started,
and
it's
so
there
we
can
have
a
you
know
a
really
informative
and
nice
sessions,
and
that
will
be
very
practical
to
to
every
everyone
involved
in
in
any
project.
C
But
what
we
can
do
is
you
know,
prepare
that
for
token
engineering
token
project,
so
that
would
be
more
about
highly
practical
would
be,
for
you
know,
people
from
the
business
and
technical
side,
less
less
so
for
people
who
would
just
participate
in
in
is
that
in
a
deployed
token
economy
right,
but
very
much.
I
think
useful
for
this
whole
coordination.
C
You
know
self-organization
and
agile,
was
all
about
self-worth,
self-organizing,
small
software
teams
in
the
beginning,
etc.
So.
D
A
E
D
D
I
also
just
wanted
to
share
this.
I
shared
a
link
in
the
thing
about
connection
and
agile,
together
and
yeah,
and
I
think
there
is
an
ethical
question.
Oh
you
already
have
those,
but
but
there
is
also
a
link
to
explaining
how
confident
and
agile
kind
of
work
together,
but
the
thing
that
I'm
showing
is
kind
of
what
you
have
in
your
screen
there.
D
But
the
there's
a
narrative
around
this,
in
the
sense
that
if
you,
if
you're
taking
the
approach
of
something
which
is
clear
known
and
familiar-
but
in
fact
is
a
complex
and
unknown
process
which
we're
experimenting
on.
That's
also
creates
an
ethical
problem
right.
So.
D
At
what
point
does
it
go
from
the
realm
of
the
expert
into
the
realm
of
the
clear?
What
is
what
parts
of
this
machine
need
to
be
clear
versus
complicated
versus
complex?
Do
you
see
what
I'm
saying,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
is
a
lot
of
people
I
find
are
in
the
middle
here
in
this
confused
thing.
D
D
B
D
Of
the
thing
where
we've
automated
that
away,
do
you
see
what
I'm
saying
so
so
much
of
what
you
guys
are
asking
about
when
you
know
is
how
is
it
that
we
automate
this
thing?
Well,
if
it's
still,
if
we're
still
experimenting
on
it,
how
are
we
going
to
move
it
all
the
way
into
the
complicated
and
then
into
the
clear
and
then
automate
it?
Do
you
see
what
I'm
saying.
J
The
brain
to
the
ethical
problems
as
well,
because
if
we
are
experimenting
in
a
way
in
a
subjective
way,
we
are
not
bound
to
this
kind
of
high
level
commitment
to
to
fairness.
But
if
we
see
that
this
is
not
as
emerging
and
we
are
moving
to
the
complicated
part
and
the
automated
part,
we
have
to
answer
different
questions.
Yeah,
and
this
is.
J
Connects
to
the
agile
thing
as
well,
because
we
are
trying
to
move
in
the
mice,
but
the
milestone,
say:
okay,
we
we
go
there
and
we
have
to
comply
with
this
organizational
structures
and
objectives,
but
then
we
forget
the
the
first
level.
That
is
what
is
ethical
in
this
specific
context,
for
this
specific
participant,
so
yeah,
it's
like
those
three
are-
are
super
relevant
to
connect.
D
Well
and
the
the
other
part
is
that
the
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
ethics,
you
know,
roughly
speaking
me
as
a
person,
who's
sort
of
teaching
right.
My.
B
D
Is
is
I've
done
a
bunch
of
experiment?
I've
lived
in
the
chaotic
and
as
a
result
of
living
in
the
chaotic,
I've
then
moved
that
into
the
complex,
which
is
a
lower
energy
state.
That's
why
the
guy
in
the
in
the
in
the
left-hand
thing
goes
downward,
because
then
I'm
no
longer
putting
out
fires
and
everything
is
now.
What
I'm
doing
is
I'm
experimenting
and
from
that
experiment.
Then
I
go
up
this
little
ladder
into
what
is
called
good
practice.
D
J
J
J
My
only
concern
about
this
is
like
it
makes
sense
from
an
individual
perspective
and
when
you
you
try
to
observe
an
organization
as
an
organic
part.
It
does
not
make
sense
that
easily
because
we
we
are
talking
about
different
instructors
and
people
and
journalists
being
together.
So
it's
more
difficult.
D
It's
then
their
responsibility
to
then
walk
the
people
down
the
rest
of
the
way
and
and
in
only
it
it's
it's.
It's
informed
consent
to
bring
them
down
the
letter
that,
because
what
will
happen
to
them
is
is,
is
that
if
we
don't
do
it
that
way,
what
the
what
we'll
be
doing
is
we'll
be
excluding
them
and
then
they'll
just
fall
off
the
cliff
into
the
chaotic
and
not
have
any
idea
what's
going
on,
but.
J
C
That
works
it's
a
bonding
curve
and
then
everyone's
just
trying
to
and
literally
they
fall
off
the
hey.
It's
that
simple,
it's
so
it's
just
working.
I
saw
the
smart
contract
and
I
know
how
to
do
this.
You
know,
and
this
new
remote
only
global
network
and
we're
just
gonna
have
a
great
bonding
curve.
C
C
C
But
I
see
that
we're
running
out
of
time,
so
literally,
I
think
we
could
do
do
a
storytelling
exercise
for
ourselves
here.
Just
may
I
propose
like
a
bit
of
asynchronous
mapping
based
on
true
stories.
C
That
would
be
something
I
would
love
to
continue
and
I
guess
with
those
two
groups,
like
the
the
initial
setting
the
stage
and
the
very
practical
aspects
we
have
ourselves.
At
least
I
don't
know
10
to
20
sessions
almost,
but
I
think
it
will
be
very
worthwhile
interesting.
C
My
only
question
would
be:
what
do
you
think
it
seemed
like
mostly
agreement
or
or
mostly
pushing
in
the
positive
direction.
C
I
had
two
other
things
that
I
grouped,
but
maybe
we
go
to
those
as
as
we
move
through
our
what
we
have
on
our
plate,
which
is
those
two
points
mentioned,
but
the
other
one
was
the
the
learning
society
rabbit
halls
of
token
networks,
crypto
and
the
net
breaks,
pay
pace
of
change
ever
complex,
techno,
economic,
social,
institutional,
environment,
etc,
and
there,
under
that,
I
put
the
deliberate
development
organization
that
dugadas
also
mentions
like
actually
growing
and
learning
is
part
of
the
game.
C
Covering
your
your
weaknesses
or
that's
what
you
don't
know,
but
actually
putting
it
out
there
and
seeing
this
community
as
a
chance
to
to
grow
or
know
who
to
go
and
ask
for
or
who
to
outsource
your
trust
and
get
information
from
to
have
this
consent,
build
this
consent,
etc.
C
C
Create
this
integrity
or
integration
of
the
many
world
views,
if
you
will
there,
I
have
only
those
two
points
that
openness
doesn't
necessarily
mean:
inclusion
or
inclusive,
and
so
many
worldviews,
so
many
perspectives,
the
pluralism
that
we
value,
but
how
well?
How
can
we
integrate
this
as
well.
D
C
D
Yeah,
my
teacher
uses
a
term
that
I
like,
which
might
be
helpful,
which
is
called
finding
unity
in
diversity
and
for
me,
that's
a.
D
Because
you
know
you
really.
D
Real
unity
when
there
is
diversity
right
so
wow
I
mean
life
itself
right.
B
D
Finds
a
way
according
to
the
jurassic
park,
you
know.
E
E
D
The
way
in
which
it
finds
that
way
is
it
actually,
the
that's
that's
the
cliff
that
we
fall
off
is,
is
the
the
the
lack
of
diversity
right.
So
when
things
are
clear,
you
know
when
we've
made
definitions
and
we've
automated
and
everything
there's
going
to
be
always.
E
D
My
the
the
thing
that
I
was
saying
about
earlier
about
you
know
what
a
community
educates
is,
what
it
becomes
is
literally,
what
is
your
strategy
about
instead
of
pushing
people
off
a
cliff
direct
them
down
the
ladder?
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like.
J
They'll
link
it
to
the
consent
part
as
in
service
and
giving
and
providing
a
gift,
and
the
gift
is
to
be
to
be
risky
in
a
way
that
is
ethical,
yeah.
D
D
Exactly
and
so
we
just
tell
people,
if
you
want
to
know,
then
you
have
to
start
becoming
an
expert
in
some
way
and
that's
true.
When
the
moment
you
say
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
stop
outsourcing
all
of
my
money
and
I'm
gonna
take
care
of
all
my
own
currency
and
crypto.
Now
you
have
to
suddenly
be
responsible
for
all
the
things
the
bank
used
to
do
for
you
and
it's
a
certain
amount
of
education
involved,
a
certain
amount
of
complicatedness
involved.
C
Yeah
but
it's
a
spectrum,
as
you
say
so,
and
I
think
that
that's
and
in
between
maybe
it's
the
same
spectrum
almost
like
that
space
in
between
between
the
stimulus
and
response,
and
that
response
is
basically
comes
from
your
understanding.
Your
agency.
D
C
C
D
Culture,
you
know
people
assess
that
they
have
an
assessment
of
themselves
and
the
person's
like.
Well,
I
talk
all
the
time.
Well
then,
instead
of
and
and
they'll
have
an
app
on
the
phone
in
one
of
these
companies
that
says,
instead
of
talking
this
person,
let
other
people
talk
and
that's
a
that's
a
that's
an
improvement
for
them,
and
so
they
get
credit
right
then,
and
there
about
what
they
did.
It
actively
encourages
that
person
to
grow
as
a
person
away
from
their
own
weakness.
Do
you
see
what
I'm
saying.