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From YouTube: W12 0mega WG: Manifesto, road map and Zenhub issues

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The 0mega Working Group examines the ethos of and ethics in token engineering as well as the shared vision and diversity of its communities.

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A

So watching the eye out, I think the the dow tooling it will be getting better.

B

Yeah uh sam was working on something called fidelius, I also for sure credentials and basically you know like it's based on the harry potter uh team theme. For example, you know.

C

Then it's like the gatekeepers.

B

And the secret keepers yeah.

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A

It's encrypted and the people.

B

Who receive it like have to sign on the metamask? Then they they see the the message, but I I would love to see like if you can send me a link for the project you want to save.

A

Yeah, yes, I think um yeah, I think I shared it somewhere. I will, I will think of it and then share with you um yeah yeah. So it was more like about improving, uh maybe well not just voting, but all of this coordination on chain and from open, zeppelin and tally.

A

So I'll share the the link and, and I'm sure, more more is coming out.

A

You know how it is.

B

It's also like yeah, it's I mean I'm still looking at it, but it looks like.

C

B

Interesting tool for sharing documents, with also with your metamask address, like.

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Google docs all the time, and it feels like.

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It gives more freedom, let's say to us than using corporate tools.

A

But at the same time it's it's quite gated right, so it's actually. I think it's just then two of us um I know letty is on vacation and I don't know I will be on vacation next two weeks, so I don't know how we will do the do the next uh bi weekly, but it's actually good. um Maybe we can also just go into uh structuring the manifesto.

B

Maybe drafting some kind of roadmap would be also good. Then we, when you.

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B

From your vacations, we could do the audit for your working group.

A

So can you tell me so basically uh did you check the manifesto uh wait, a second I'll share and um in our chat, omega chat is here so you know, I think um we worked on the initiatives proposals and we had left the omega manifesto in this collection of or capturing the sense right, uh what we want and what we don't want. Maybe so, and then there was this discussion about um oh yeah, so one question I have um do you remember um that was the session of 6th june.

A

If you can't find the video link ah you have it already.

A

Okay, I see it so that's perfect, because I kind of like that session a lot and would like to re-listen yeah perfect. Thank you no problem, and but that is more, like you know, capturing them a bit of the social aspect of it or what drives people. So I I thought, that's good, but I don't think it's. uh It belongs in the in the manifesto right, but I would like to work it in somehow at the end or something like this. So don't worry about that.

A

um The description is something we discussed discussing agreed upon.

D

uh Description of what I.

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A

Yeah, so it's actually quite a lot there. I think that is a. I know that the description short description in the agenda.

A

That's the newest: let me copy paste that um I think that's done like that solid. We know what it's finally we're doing, yeah and we had.

B

I feel what would be like super beneficial is, you know like we have all these goals like explore theories with delivery or research questions, and maybe you have some kind.

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Roadmap, like you know, like uh oh.

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Not you know, maybe you need some people or experts or or whatever, and you don't know like the date when it's going to happen, but have some kind of plan on how we are going to approach every of those goals and yeah. You know just to bring some transparency in the community yeah.

E

A

So what to expect? Even knowing you know things might change along the path, but I wanted to tell actually I think a lot became clearer after we had also, you know, worked out the proposals.

A

So um one thing, for example, um there are actually concrete things that can come out, especially from both um from both initiatives like this knowledge hub. That can also be added to token entering commons, uh git book, so pretty concrete and we can define a minimal goal for us. I'm sure we will get that minimal goal, but also for outreach, etc.

A

I think we could definitely define now minimal goals um right to to just get the get a good starting point or seed content for the consilience project. So basically um keep you know, bringing the diverse knowledge into knowledge hub. That is cherishes this diversity with the token and engineering, ethics and ethos. There are two things, um and maybe you can so I um yes aspire with me. What are helpful or or useful um steps? So one thing would be.

A

We want to keep this participatory research, we define modules or sessions, but some topics- some, you know, impulse questions or a story that will resonate and that will uh create, or the focus group will be around those questions, for example, and I think we now have um at minimum three such topics that are super clear, so that could be again one minimal set right, but what I would love to do is to keep this open like um yeah open-ended.

A

If people want to follow up, if people want to deepen, if people want to create, I don't know uh from focus groups and some kind of support group in a sense like if they can come with questions and it's a safe space where they can.

A

You know, collectively discuss ethical issues in the space or um some something like this. I I sense will emerge, but I don't well. We cannot push it. uh I guess um yeah. So do you have something special uh similar in in other uh working groups, or is it always rather pretty clear, cut till now?

A

No normally, what are your experiences.

B

Normally like they have like it's, not that philosophical, so they have like tasks.

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Complete them and they're done and then maybe new tasks come out or maybe you know like some.

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Groups like hatchery.

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They already outreach all the hutchers, so their job is done, so they close the working group. What I was, what I was thinking we could do here is like maybe we have our own map for like the different infrastructure. Like you know, maybe a forum post or like uh yeah.

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Concrete tasks like we want to do and and then under we're gonna specify the manifesto like this is not going to be close like it's. You know it's.

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Platform and people can continuously debate on those topics.

B

And yeah, I have some kind of uh I I think also it would be uh like to get more engagement through the community, maybe create some. uh You know when we also built like the road map, have also creating some issues on on send hub. You know so.

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In the community are going able to see them and they will be like you know, it's more easy, like people engage them when they see like issues open that they can.

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B

You know an issue could even be like hosting like these calls talking to that and and yeah and engage with the community, and it could even be.

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Repeating task you know like, for example, like you.

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Calls like you do it then bi-weekly so.

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So one question around that, so I don't know um so I'm not very good at especially if it's you know two weeks batches and so on with all all of this coordination- and I don't know um how should we call it?

A

Maybe we try this.

A

Let's see like with this knowledge hub, I think it's super concrete um that you know we have those topics. We now have couple of links underneath each each so but- and I think, setting up the zen hub and and listing there would be simple enough, uh but I don't know who else can be?

A

uh You know, can take the the the responsibility or delete there or or issue. I think letty uh really wants to take the lead and is also super super good uh d, dan or dan wanted to support as well. I don't know how how experienced he is with zen hub, for example, might be right.

B

I could definitely support both of them with the technical things like I right now. I don't feel comfortable. You know saying like oh okay, I'm going to take this touch on you like and coordinating by, because I feel right now like.

A

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Feet heavy with the hatch and everything.

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I can definitely.

B

You know like, if you tell me like letty or didan, are going to take this, and I could do.

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One two even three hours of.

C

And coordinating all of this.

B

And yeah and make it happen and make it more available.

B

Yeah definitely.

A

Yeah, I could support on.

B

On the technical side, at least.

A

Okay cool, so if um basically, when they're back, um um we can also look around that. So basically, then we have the two initiatives. uh The frame is quite clear: uh diversity and and knowledge exchange will be through this initiative- knowledge hub.

A

We are starting it, but we want community to expand and to create this right and um could be organized or if it organized those through issues and and make them those issues visible on zen hub. Then the community can coordinate around that better.

A

So that's something um I'm just taking notes um organized issues by a zen hub so that it's more transparent and open for collaboration.

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Can support technically or technical aspect? I know it's not that, uh but people need people need to be uh shown, so we can have an x-ray session and I'm also happy to come and uh so that multiple people know in the group, and I think that would be yeah. Let's plan have a session. Can we have that, maybe later on um in after the next dash.

B

So what is um we're gonna schedule a session for that? Do not need to be on this hour. You know like we could use one session.

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B

Every one of us.

A

Maybe if you could also record it um yeah yeah and it's available right, then then people cannot make it can join. So I don't want to be the bottleneck just because I'm away two weeks and then it's again one month, but I'm happy to catch up. So the three sets of focus groups with the concerns.

B

Maybe you say, like lady is going back from holidays like.

A

Next week, I think so I can ask again she said she's uh middleman. How do you call it.

B

I think we could ask.

A

Her like somewhere in europe, so yeah mediterranean. She said so she's, okay, europe time zone, uh but she didn't say when she's back.

B

Oh okay, okay, okay, then nothing I was going to say like maybe she could host the next omega call.

A

Yeah, I will ask that definitely and also maybe you can uh use the time uh also for um actual um yeah, maybe showing around or how how it would help with the collaboration contribution, and that could be a topic um and also manu. I don't know, maybe he's also on vacation. I don't know, but he also wanted to share something with us.

A

um So it's still on that and I can also ping him okay and then basically, three sets of focus groups uh with these topics. One two three um so, and there is one again at the very least that will inform basically inform.

A

Book and the community source book chapter, so I think that's a nice outcome, um definitely uh workable, uh but I'm yeah I mean I'm pretty keen, and uh I also know that we have you know with the goddard and so on. We have people here who can uh again also contribute, but also benefit from the insights that this these focus groups are exchanging.

A

So I think I'm pretty sure that we can create something bigger, not bigger, but um maybe yeah like, as I said, from focus groups, topics, either uh usable practical.

A

Not just manual but something like a like a playbook that you know what what situations can arise in which people typically must make decisions that have ethical uh consequences, especially depending on domains and so on and so forth, and you know this token distribution. All of this.

A

It's a moving target. You know just now. People are uh starting to realize how distribution is actually super important can make the network resilient, even if it's an application layer, and so so it's both technical as well as uh technically evolving, but also socially. I think so. This ethical issues will be um more of interest to more people, the more decisions that will need to be made in in free form. So um and then do you need or what is helpful, like deadlines or at the very least, um a time by which we strive.

B

Yeah, maybe not dead, since you know like you, you say you wanted to keep the this open, maybe not not create a deadline. For you know like. Oh this day, this topic is going to be close and you cannot add more information, but maybe add some some deadlines, for you know like how we are going to.

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Or maybe not even deadlines like uh just.

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We're going to approach all of this, and when uh it's going to be like you know, like the first discussion or the first comment, or you know like.

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B

Yeah, I feel that would be super cool and I I think also that would bring you know like uh when you were like when you already have. uh You know like you're discussing, for example, like we were discussing about the the credential thing when you you start talking about it, then it's more possible, like other people, start to say, oh, but I see this thing differently, because you know this would be more.

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B

Even if it's centralized it would be more secure and then it's the other guys. Oh no, but if it's centralized, then our security depends on this company and maybe you know, and then it starts yeah.

A

Exactly so, I think also um again it we have to make it concrete for the at the very least, if you say three sessions with these topics, we can make those sessions uh concrete and then um you know, coordinate and get people uh who might benefit from and contribute actively to the focus groups that get them to know so there.

A

I think we can ask all our network all of token during comments to announce help announcing that as well right once we have the topic uh sessions. Why, when um date and time.

B

So I think we could even make uh you know like make the take the time of the spoiler spotlight of the thursday call, and you know like and yeah just talk about it and since there is when you have like it's the most crowded call. So you can.

A

B

A forum post and then announce it there and yeah. I feel like you, can reach a lot of people.

A

Yeah, okay, okay, perfect so and then all of a sudden, it's actually more a lot of concrete uh things on the roadmap right so um and then, basically, we can add that this is open and that.

D

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So if people want to add more con, you know if they have more concerns, want to add. More topics want us to get experts uh discuss the specific things and so on, not just among uh the token engineers, but they uh are asking, for example. How is it done in ai? So these are the things that would come out of it. So let's see okay, but then what goals do you like to achieve.

A

Build a library and so on, so what I can do definitely is to make these parts.

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More concrete so.

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I'm just reading out um make evidence fail. Your successes, t token 195 social media, post capitalistic.

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So I will uh what I can do also right after um so my thing is: I always need to make time and and work best on on wording in in solitude, so another another good uh sparring partner there, but definitely this helps.

A

And basically, how will this working group benefit uh tech community? According uh its near-term mission yeah? I think yeah just put this together.

A

uh I yeah some things. um What I would do. I would make a a clean version of this. Keep this. So if, if someone says hey, this part is missing I want to to. I want us to have have it in there, but I would just make one with the most concrete points right and then say: okay, this is the most concrete manifesto we have at this stage.

A

We keep this and and asked the group again to to go over if we left something out that they want to have in the manifesto yeah right and how what's what's gonna happen, then, next or or what is basically the transparency, I'm always late on catching up with all of the processes or sometimes uh I forget again.

B

Well, I mean the transplant, the transparency is not, you know like it's not there to impose uh anything. It's like.

C

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Support working groups to be inspired, you know, like we have this philosophy of also. You know.

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B

Have like the the reviewing process? It's not like transparency is reviewing anything. It's like the community is mutual monitoring and it's very important for us not to say, for example, oh transparency is going to review the outage because then what would happen is like. The community is going to trust transparency to do their job, and you know it would be not beneficial for the community because, like the idea is like the whole community, monitor monitors itself.

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We're really trying to get, uh for example, like we're really trying to get um yeah. You know like it's like doing the audit. Actually, it's not mandatory like you, you could not do the audit and you could still ask for money to the comments. First, for instance,.

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B

It's it's just to like. I need to ask no.

A

No, oh sorry, it's super helpful for anyone right joining and then finding good documents and and understanding. So it's it's super super important. I just want to know like uh yeah like um once. We have this and everyone is happy with it. um That's basically the the living manifesto, but uh after that, do we need to do something uh regularly other than that, what members decide or something like this.

B

No, I mean not really just like you know, you have your goals and the goal is to advance the token engineering field with uh the goals in half of your manifesto. It's like.

C

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Good to have like all these documentation, so people can see it and you know like they might be interested if you know like if yeah like, if they just in a call and people is talking about something, but you know it's very hard to catch up, but if it's everything on documented people can oh, these days are the omega calls and they these they are going.

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Be talking about.

B

This, oh this looks interesting. I'm going to join this call and definitely.

A

They make some time.

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On their calendar and.

A

Super yeah, yeah yeah. Definitely so, and that's why I'd rather also make this you know not just for us but also more accessible, so it should be clear, concise, uh a starting point right, not not an agreement or a work uh order for us, but actually people finding their their way.

A

So then I have two questions or well basically, um the last part members so like what are the roles inside of tech, uh community stewards and so on. Yeah. I think we can add those.

B

I was working just today on I mean it's a first, I it's the first draft, but I can I can share with you is like it was almost talking about the discord roles, but more or less the the discord roles are. The same kind of you know like use of gravitons on boarding and subject matter.

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uh Just let me I I mean it's just please,.

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D

Just give me a second.

B

uh Okay, yeah, I'm.

D

Sharing it.

B

With you right now, uh it's uh it's a first draft. We just started today and basically it's like uh discord rules and what can uh every role do, but at the same time it's saying like you know, admins. What who are the admins of this course who these people do, but then you also have like the stores gravitons.

B

A

Are you sharing at the moment because I don't see it no.

B

I just send it to you to own at the end.

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A

No, that's fine. Now I have the dog. I thought you were sharing. Okay, admin, stewards.

A

Yeah perfect- and this is also public for the token engineering commons, so I could link to it for people to understand what are the.

B

Yeah yeah. Definitely I mean this is a work in progress, but it's going to be yeah on the forum or in the.

C

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Very soon, like maybe a week or two max maximum like when you're.

C

Going to come back, it's.

B

For sure, like going to be a finished document,.

E

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Or really cool, so many things got crystal clear. I love it okay um and with respect to uh stewards, for example, if um how do you handle it like um did it emerge? I know that you know many of the working groups were uh critical for the hatch that uh insane hours, so that so is there do do you have? um Can you tell what is what would be something, or can you not tell at all like what is the input?

A

What is the contributions that should be shared, or is it okay that we find uh ourselves like.

B

I I'm not understanding what you ask.

A

Like yeah, I'm trying to find a better way, okay, so um or like. Is there a clear minimum contribution expected for the different roles.

B

Okay, okay, uh I mean very in the very beginning time we were saying like stores were, at least you know putting like. I don't know if it was six hours uh a week.

A

I think it was three to four hours at the earliest yeah.

B

Probably a week yeah.

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B

Probably watch something like this and then contributors. You know it's people who come come and go and yeah something issues. Some I'm starting to wearing right now, like you know, like transparency, comes with a bureaucracy, and we really don't want to get very progress in in that sense, right like oh, you have to you know and show, and it's hard but like the the idea, is be the most transparent possible being the less broadcast possible. You know like, for example, like doing this.

F

Yeah doing this is something.

B

F

Maybe you don't want to do it because you want to focus actually on making the livestream.

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F

A

No, I just wanted to ask whether that also became more clear or more less affair. In a sense, let's see how how the rest settles, but it would be definitely good to know like what is a from experience or wish what we think it's important to to provide the community at the very least that you know we should know.

A

For example, I know that I want to be attending the steward meetings, for I don't know how many months, but I'm I'm just happy that I make it on time here, every two weeks kind of so you know, and then sometimes you have more time. Sometimes you have less time, but if I knew, for example, you know or if I'd be okay, let's face it. It's been over three months and I look into the future and my schedule doesn't look much better.

A

Have you figured that out as well like what is I know we had short discussion like that can happen. You know that maybe stewards step back, but there are other stewards in the working group or people who can step up this type of fluctuation or variations.

A

Do you have already the best practice.

B

Or experience we don't have something like very well documented, but.

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Talks about you know like of of boarding from the store, but you know.

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Doesn't mean like you, you're gone for like forever. You can offer.

C

For, like three months.

B

Or a year or you know uh and.

E

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Documented it and but yeah right now, this one.

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Is you know, like very unknown, like it's, okay,.

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It's not well documented right now.

A

Yeah, so I think, like with omega I mean I would love to uh especially when we see okay, there is traction and the content is important, so I I would definitely try and help other people to actually be able to you know, even if I can't make it that they're there and so on. Something like this, and maybe we can think talk about this again, um how we can empower more of the.

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B

Be super beneficial yeah as well. It's like having a quest tour right like, for example, me in transparency.

C

It's like it's.

D

B

Me and ivy: it's not like me alone, you know and because I I was.

D

Yeah, you know I'm storing.

B

It by myself, I was not feeling very comfortable and I asked to restore what if we could store with ivy and everything say: yeah, that's fine, like whatever you.

C

Want in the world all right.

B

And I feel like you, could.

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To worry with a letty or I don't know like or whoever yeah and you know maybe yeah.

A

I had so I I had that feeling that she definitely also uh is interested and contributing actively also content-based.

A

I thought that's also important, um but let's see like maybe after the after the vacation, when we get into into uh sync and an exchange mode again, I might ask her just wanted to know like what are the if there are yeah. If she asked me what are the minimal um expectations and so on then, but I guess coastward is really um yeah making sure that there is continuity and so on right.

B

Yeah, like I don't know like you, you could find someone like a good uh yeah. You know like doing more like this coordination work and then you focus on the ethical and research part.

A

Yeah yeah yeah, so that that kind of seems to be difficult at least right now uh I was hoping that it's possible. It's like uh juggling both content and coordination. If it's not clear-cut, when it's clear-cut or when it's repetitive, I think that's definitely something anyone can also help with yeah. Let's see but okay.

B

These two are kind of repetitive. You know, like you do like this.

C

Where you share.

B

Like uh what the what you're working on, if you have some problems, then we have like that retrospective.

C

B

Weeks and then we have like the spring planning also every two weeks and it's it's repetitive, you know.

C

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Every every spring- and you know like, and even when you know like uh when we have incentives to you, know like when you have.

C

B

Like the money on the working group or stuff like you, can just play.

C

Someone and people.

B

Is going to be more willing to do it when they are being rewarded.

A

Yeah yeah so, and I think that could, for example, definitely happen around if um there is continue, so I think, with the knowledge hub when that, when we know the pattern, this is how we, you know, curate the the knowledge and then take care of diversity, uh multiple perspectives.

A

When the process is clear and also when we have the focus groups, the first one, the second one, and then we realized there is more interest, but we know already how we are conducting them.

A

Then I think uh yeah. There is some process that people can pick up on. We can describe that and that will also help for sure. Okay.

C

Septimus, that was super cool.

A

To have just one one session just to get clear on all these things, otherwise we're just trying to wing it right. But it's uh super good to have this clear.

B

Yes, it's awesome, it's awesome also, thank you so much for taking the time to you know doing all of this.

A

Sure sure so, but then uh I think just uh cleaning the stock uh or making a new dog with the clean, clear uh parts of the manifesto will be pretty quick um and then we can share it with the group today.

D

A

And then also yeah yeah, okay, cool thanks a lot.

B

Yeah no problem, then we I mean maybe next uh yeah. It should be. I feel like we really need like uh a call with uh maybe letty or someone like I mean I mean if you're going to store a vacation, maybe maybe we we have just to wait. You know like and- and it's not the end of the world like.

A

Okay, so I mean if you if you say um I, I let me ask letty when she's back and she says hey great. I want to just jump into it and we'll record it for the rest of the group and then you and so on then I'll just connect you, okay, right.

B

I mean the sooner the the sooner the better, but.

D

Yeah, if it have to wait, it have to.

B

Wait right like okay, no pressure, neither like you know.

C

Thanks so much.

A

So it's so cool. I know how how much pressure uh everyone else is having? How is it going is it? Is it now uh smooth.

B

No, no, it's better.

A

Like, like, you know, like.

B

Like the hatch is done like yeah, some.

A

People is also doing.

B

Vacation like now, it's chilling.

D

But I feel it's.

C

Going to get hot.

B

Soon again, right, like with the.

A

Yeah the the next bit, I guess when the activity comes around the tokens and so on, that's going to be very insightful, but also heavy lifting as well, okay, cool! Thank you then I'll.

A

Definitely, um we can update the group today, uh also maybe uh ping ping, the others or lettie and dan and then I'll I'll talk to her, maybe not immediately, but I ask when she's coming back and uh tell her to to get in touch with you if she's ready um or we can do it- um the next uh possible time yeah in two weeks, something like that and we'll ping. You perfect awesome.

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No, that's totally fine. I, like soul sister. I.

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It's just what we need.

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I'm going to have a lot of sources.

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D

Okay, yes see you cool.

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Take care take.

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