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A
I
will
start
recording
and
once
again
thanks
everyone
for
joining.
This
is
the
sixth
session
of
the
graviton
training.
A
If
you
have
come
to
all
of
your
of
our
sessions
and
claimed
all
your
pops
after
this
session,
that
means
you
will
be
able
to
be
become
a
graviton
after
the
training
and
yeah
continue
contributing
to
this
project
and
and
practicing
all
what
we
are
training
and
developing.
So
thanks
everyone,
and
in
this
session
we
have
once
again
durgas
and
this
session
about
decolonization
of
the
mind
so
yeah.
I
will
pass
the
mic
to
him.
B
Thanks
yeah
so
welcome
to
number
six
there's
a
fair
bit
to
cover
here
and
I
could
talk
about
this
for
literally
three
hours
or
four
hours
or
five
hours,
so
I'm
gonna
just
get
started
part
of
the
reason
I
think
we
were
talking
about
presenting
connecting
as
kind
of
a
wish
me
luck.
B
B
Okay,
so
in
any
case,
so
I'm
gonna
basically
start
with
confident
and
then
we'll
get
into
decolonization
in
in
a
bit.
This
does
relate
in
some
way
to
my
decolonization
framework,
because
my
basic
premise
is
that
there
are
only
two
ways
to
think
and
those
are
unified
and
divided,
and
I
think
that
if
you
start
thinking
in
divided
ways,
then
then
you're
kind
of
staying
in
this
in
this
sort
of
gray
area
right
here
between
the
clear
and
the
complicated.
B
I
love
this
graphic
because
it's
very
entertaining,
but
it's
also
kind
of
explains
the
typical
way
in
which
our
colonized
culture
almost
demands
things
to
be.
There's
really
only
three
places
for
people.
There's
automation,
there's
the
known
and
familiar
anybody
who
doesn't
fit
into
the
known
and
familiar.
We
kick
off
into
this
other
thing,
which
is
one
of
the
sort
of
byproducts
of,
for
example,
centralized
monetary
systems,
and
then
we
rely
on
experts
and
to
to
basically
know
everything
and
to
go
up
this
ladder
and
bring
us.
B
You
know
some
kind
of
clear
known
and
familiar
stuff,
and
so
we
almost
have
a
demand
level
like
in
nvc,
where
you
know
we
can't
hear
no
to
that.
We
can't
really
hear
much
about
complexity
or
chaos
and
the
people
who
have
been
in
the
lab
coats
and
done.
The
complexity
are
expected
to
create
some
constraints
for
us
so
that
experts
can
understand
that
we
can
continue
perpetuating
this
bifurcated
system.
B
You
know,
and
there
are
six
basic
things
in
here:
four
central
quadrants
and
then
the
people
were
getting
kicked
off
the
off
the
familiar
cliff
into
the
chaotic
and
the
people
who
are
confused
so
we'll
review
this
again
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
actual
presentation.
So
what
I
basically
have
done
is
created
this
framework,
which
I'm
going
to
be
writing
a
book
about
actually
saying
from
a
positionality
standpoint,
that
being
a
being
a
white
guy,
I'm
the
problem.
B
Growing
up
in
a
family
where
I
basically
was
dealing
with
a
dad
who
was
basically
a
a
ceo
or
a
c-level
person,
he
was
raised
and
educated
in
a
culture
that
divided
things
in
half,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
positionality
that
I
come
from
is
also.
I
have
a
sort
of
a
hidden
disability
in
the
sense
that
I
have
autism
and
so
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
it's.
B
What
I'm
basically
saying
is
that
people
will
often
listen
to
what
I'm
saying
in
terms
of
my
positionality
as
a
white
guy,
but
I've
also
get
to
witness
you
know
wonka's
living
in
a
country.
That's
you
know
perpetually
dealing
with
in
a
war,
my
wife
who's
got
two
degrees,
a
gold
medal
in
the
commonwealth
games,
a
silver
medal
in
the
pan
am
games
in
a
and
a
bronze
medal
in
the
olympic
games
does
not
prevent
her
from
dealing
with
racism
and
sexism
in
an
incredible
way.
B
So
what
I
was-
and
I
work
for
a
native
band,
so
what
I
was
trying
to
do
was
find
a
way
that
I
could
understand
and
unify
how
all
these
different
things
worked,
and
I
lived
in
a
hindu
monastery
for
a
number
of
years
and
having
done
that
spiritual
work,
I
realized
that
there
are
really
just
two
ways
to
think
there
are
unified
and
divided
ways
to
think
I'm
going
to
recommend
strongly,
as
you
saw
in
the
pre-work,
that
you
guys
watched
my
stroke
of
insight
by
joe
balti
taylor,
which
talks
about
the
the
two
different
kinds
of
ways
of
thinking
and
then
ian
mcgill
chris's
work
on
the
divided
brain
and
making
the
western
world
is
a
very
scholarly.
B
B
It
has
implications
understanding
how
history
works
and
the
real
history,
not
the
history,
that
you
typically
learn
about
in
school,
and
you
can
see
this
stuff
playing
out.
Even
you
know
today.
So
in
canada,
for
example,
we
have
the
the
last
oil
growth
rainforest,
getting
cut
down,
and
we've
got
a
group
of
people
who
are
thinking
in
unified
ways
who
are
trying
to
stop
the
divided
colonizers.
B
From
from
doing
that,
and
you
know,
my
wife
is
heavily
involved
in
that
stuff
and
they're
just
doing
the
same
stuff
that
they've
been
doing
for
500
years
in
that
way,
so
my
thought
was
to
try
to
unify
all
these
things
in
terms
of
how
is
it
that
we
got
banking
that
was
so
centralized?
B
Why
is
it
that
we
need
things
to
be
done
differently,
so
my
proposal,
basically,
is
that
there
you
have
two
hemispheres,
your
left
brain,
which
is
the
divided
way
of
thinking
and
the
right
hemisphere,
which
is
the
unified
way
of
thinking.
This
also
goes
back,
goes
back
to
yoga
in
terms
of
means.
B
If
you
look
at
the
social
forums
that
we
actually
you
know
set
up,
you
can
actually
see
that
in
the
what
we
ratify
in
terms
of
the
divided
mind,
we.
B
We
teach
really
only
divided
things
in
our
culture
right
and
one
of
the
beautiful
things
about
being
in
the
token
engineering
commons.
Is
you
actually
get
to
deal
with
a
cultural
context
in
which
we're
trying
to
get
more
to
the
highly
unified
side
of
this
picture?
So
it
used
to
be
that
you
could
have
somebody
like
genghis
khan
or
somebody
came
up
with
a
very
divided
world
view,
but
that
person
would
be
reabsorbed
into
the
highly
unified
approach
that
was
had
by
most
people
in
the
world.
B
But
since
colonization
has
occurred,
that
that
emphasis
is
switched
now
where
you've
got
now
colonizer
world
views
dominating
and
unified
world
views
are
basically
given
back
to
pre-colonization
and
or
they're
put
into
the
psychological
shadow,
where
we
deny
that
there
is
any
such
thing
as
a
unified
way
of
approaching
anything,
and
so
so
a
lot
of
people
actually
that
who
show
up.
In
the
token
engineering,
commons
and
and
in
my
yoga
center
and
when
I'm
speaking
to
wonka
and
people
like
this,
you
know
it's
always.
B
The
whole
thing
is
always
about
taking
a
look
at
which
one
of
these
two
things
are.
We
doing
in
terms
of
that,
so
you
can
see
that
you
know
the
divided
mindset
will
create
hierarchies
by
default
and
we're
systematically
destroying
hierarchies
and
specifically
decentralizing
in
ways
that
flatten
hierarchies
right,
using
holar
keys
and
and
so
on.
So
I
hope
this
is
pretty
clear.
B
So
there's
the
two
monetary
systems
as
well.
So
if
you
read
you
know
the
sacred
economics
by
eisenstein,
you
can
see
inside
of
the
stuff
that
he's
talking
about.
You
can
see
this
also
inside
of
the
stuff
that
griff
is
saying
all
the
time.
You
know
the
money
system
is
broken
what's
broken
about.
It
is
that
we've
been
validating
and
ratifying
this
divided
mindset
all
along
right.
You
can
just
see
it
over
and
over
and
over
again,
you
can
see
it
individually
in
your
own
life.
B
You
can
see
it
in
your
family
life.
You
can
see
it
in
your
the
way.
You're
educated,
I
mean
just
our
entire
culture
is
basically
set
up
as
a
as
a
an
abusive
system,
and
so
you
know
the
next
thing
really
is
just
that
it
actually
changes
the
way
we
approach
things
intellectually
as
well.
So
we
have
an
educational,
that's
focused
on
external
objects,
which
are
given
positive
value
by
the
society,
and
it
basically
ignores
the
student
altogether,
like
marshall
rosenberg,
the
guy
who
sort
of
created
the
nvc
framework.
B
He
said
he
went
through
12
years
of
of
post-secondary
education
and
and
in
a
regular
education.
B
He
never
really
was
asked
how
he
felt
about
any
of
that
during
any
of
that
time,
and
that's
that's
normal
and
that's
been
normalized
and
what
it's
my
basic
idea
that
to
say
that
we
actually.
B
I
apologize
there's
one
thing
that
I
normally
say
here,
but
I've
been
redoing
this.
So
I'm
sorry,
if
it's
a
little
bit
lost
here
just
the
way
we
socialize,
even
you
know,
take
a
look
at
the
things
that
are
legal
in
our
culture.
B
So
if
we
all
want
to
go,
we
all
go
out
and
have
a
drink,
but
alcohol
is
destructive
and
addictive,
and-
and
there
are
so
many
things
like
that
in
in
a
socialization
system,
where
all
the
things
that
you're
told
that
you're
supposed
to
have
a
good
time
about
these
things
are
actually
destructive.
But
anything
that's
illegal
tends
to
be
something
that
would
sort
of
break
the
divided
a
hold
on
the
system,
and
so
so
I
think
it's.
This
is
a
useful
contextualization
in
terms
of
trying
to
understand
how
this
stuff
works.
B
It's
also
true
that
I
took
a
course
from
neil
delaul
was
really
good
and
he
basically
saying
what
is
the
definition
of
colonization
and
it's
basically
the
shadow
side
of
the
dark
side
of
western
modernity
right,
the
other
half
of
western
progress.
I
grew
up
in
the
united
states
and
there
was
this
whole
idea
of
the
manifest
destiny.
You
know,
which
was
this
idea
that
we
were
supposed
to
sort
of
work
our
way
across.
B
You
know
the
country
you
know
from
east
to
west,
but
you
know
we
basically
didn't
care
at
all
and
we
didn't
ever
learn
anything
about
it
in
school,
about
the
domination
and
subjugation
of
other
people
as
we
went
along
and
there's.
This
idea
of,
I
think
what
most
people
think
of
as
colonialism
is
actually
the
transfer
of
people.
B
So
we
just
moved
people
into
places
where
people
already
were,
and
this
thing
is
called
settler
colonialism,
but
there's
quite
a
lot
more
to
it
than
it
might
appear
on
on
the
surface,
and
so
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
basically
about
the
psychology
which
is
behind
all
of
these
things.
Not
just
you
know
the
sort
of
results
of
it,
because
it's
also
true
that
I
think
that
we
are.
B
We
are
all
trapped
in
this
system,
so
there's
an
awful
lot
of
emphasis
on
sort
of
things
like
you
know,
mansplaining
and
man
spreading,
and
so
there's
a
lot.
A
lot
of
things
going
on
about
the
white
male,
but
the
fact
is,
is
that
the
abuse
that
the
white
male
is
undergoing
they're,
also
in
denial
of
right.
So
so
the
main
thing
that's
visited
upon
the
the
white
male
person
is
sort
of
a
denial
of
the
fact
that
they're
privileged
in
certain
ways.
B
and
then
you're
often
then
not
open
to
the
fact
that
other
people
might
be
experiencing
the
full
1000
if
you're
in
denial
of
so
much
of.
What's
going
on.
B
My
basic
assertion
here
is
that
colonization
is
a
worldwide
financial
and
governance
level,
expression
of
narcissistic
abuse
and
I
think
all
abuse
is
narcissistic
in
terms
of,
and
it
has
multiple
implications
which
we've
seen
an
awful
lot
of
in
the
western
media,
with
the
rise
of
trump
and
and
other
authoritarian
figures
in
this
fairly
dystopian
period
of
time.
We're
all
living
in
they
all
have
very
similar
things
right.
B
So
what's
what's
kind
of
neat,
if
you
look
across
all
of
these
things,
you
can
actually
see
that
that
people
who
are
trying
to
recover
from
narcissistic
abuse
like
how
I
grew
up
as
a
child
with
with
my
father,
the
way
he
was,
and
people
who
are
in
abusive
partnerships,
people
who
are
in
cults
or
in
in
education
facilities,
like
I
don't
know
if
you
ever
heard
the
the
song
institutionalized.
B
Basically
it
gives
you
a
nice
overview
of
that
problem,
and
so
you
know,
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
way
social
justice
movements
are,
are
set
up
or
even
bitcoin,
you
know
the
perpetual,
the
perpetual
disaster
that
it's
bitcoin,
it's
just
always
going
to
be
wrong
because
it
it
is
a
kind
of
social
justice
movement.
It's
a
decentralization
and,
of
course,
all
the
centralized
media
and
everyone
else
is
going
to
see
this
as
some
kind
of
a
threat.
So
imagine
a
person
who's
decided
that
they
were
going
to
be
a
vegan.
B
Now
that
person
is
suddenly
a
violent
person
when,
in
fact
their
choice
of
being
a
vegan
was
done
so
on
compassionate
ground,
so
everything
is
sort
of
turned
upside
down
and
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
just
have
a
nice
examination
of
the
root
cause
of
all
of
these
different
things.
What
is
it
that's
individually
happening
in
the
individual
psychology,
and
then
those
people
who
are
sort
of
in
that
system
of
abuse
are
going
to
then
tend
to
project
that
outward.
So
you
can
see
the
social
justice
movements,
environmentalist
movements,
animal
rights
movements.
B
All
of
these
things
are
all
considered
to
be
not
compassionate
movements,
which
is
what
they
actually
are,
but
rather
by
the
centralized
system.
That's
the
divided
mindset.
That's
that's
taking
place
there.
The
divided
mindset
can't
really
know
anything
about
the
unified
mindset,
because
that
unified
mindset
has
been
placed
into
the
psychological
shadow
and
so
all
of
the
participants
when
they
look
for
validation
on
their
unified
impulses,
they're
going
to
tend
to
not
find
them
in
fact,
they're
going
to
find
things
that
make
them
scared
of
that,
and
so.
B
The
other
thing
that
it's
done
is
it's
actually
broken
our
information,
ecology,
thinking
about
things
in
these
colonized
or
divine
and
or
divided
ways
right,
and
so,
if
you
actually
take
a
look
at
the
real
history
of
the
world,
even
things
like
antelope,
intellectualism
and
american
life,
you
know
get
to
this.
This
is
this.
This
two
factor
way
of
thinking
the
unified
and
divided
and
that
the
divided
created
colonization
explains
the
real
history
of
the
world
on
so
many
levels,
and
so
I
wanted
to
go
into
this.
B
It's
also
important
to
understand
that
colonization
is
broken
up
into
into
some
pieces
in
terms
of
colonization,
is
basically
the
construction
of
these
systems.
So,
for
example,
my
participation
in
the
token
engineering,
commons
and
gravity
and
and
the
coms
groups
are
all
basically
because
we
are
literally
constructing
systems
which,
if
we're
not
careful,
could
be
colonizing
systems
right
and
then
later
on,
100.
B
You
know
50,
100
years
later,
150
years
later,
you
can
see
that
coloniality
is
something
which
then
perpetuates
that
type
of
divided
thinking
in
service
of
those
colonized
systems.
So
when
I'm
talking
to
token
engineers,
I'm
talking
to
people
about
yoga,
I'm
talking
to
people
about
these
things,
I'd
like
people
to
sort
of
understand
how
these
different
things
work
and
are
very
important.
B
B
So
yeah,
sorry,
this
is
mislabeled,
but
the
if
you
ignore
this
type
of
thing
here
at
the
beginning,
you
can
see
that
oppression
is
kind
of
where
it
starts.
This
is
set
up
in
terms
of
yoga
we're
talking
about
yoga
people.
B
Often
things
think
about
things
in
terms
of
orientalism,
which
is
basically
a
way
to
sort
of
do
yoga
without
including
anybody
from
those
cult,
the
cultures
that
created
it
right,
and
so,
if
you
start
with
depression
and
then
move
into
colonization
and
then
sort
of
other
people
in
the
in
this
idea
of
the
orient,
you
can
sort
of
then
culturally
appropriate
yoga
without
ever
having
to
include
those
people,
and
you
can
see
that
this
is
a
thing
which
happens
systematically
everywhere,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
the
process
of
of
division
that
we
experience
in
these
colonized
systems.
B
So
talking
about
oppression,
you
know
it
arises
from
power
plus
prejudice
right,
so
it
actually.
When
you
construct
these
systems,
you
tend
to
correct
construct
them
in
a
systemic
fashion,
and
you
can
see
that
we're
actually
doing
exactly
the
opposite
here
in
terms
of
each
one
of
these.
These
individual
bullet
points
points
to
the
possibility
that
it
could
be
something
else
entirely
that
that
we
can
do
so.
We're
basically
doing
the
reverse
of
all
of
these
things.
So.
B
Then,
when
we're
decolonizing,
we
basically
have
to
re-center,
you
know
our
epistemologies
and
our
and
our
voices
and
and
systems,
and
that's
a
thing,
I
think,
we're
very
much
doing
here,
disrupting
a
de-linking
from
the
systemic
western
eurocentric
and
remembering
and
understanding
the
histories
of
those
colonized
people
and
colonialism
and
coloniality
racism.
Sexism
transphobia
fear
of
people
on
the
autism
spectrum
like
myself,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
divesting
from
colonial
practices
and
products.
This
is
extremely
important
and
you
know
repatriating.
B
I
worked
for
a
native
band.
We
have
two
full-time
people
who
work
in
the
native
band,
who
literally
just
scour
the
websites
of
museums
throughout
the
world,
trying
to
get
back
their
artifacts,
their
tangible
artifacts,
from
museums
around
the
world
that
have
been
taken
out
of
vancouver
island,
so
undoing,
extraction
and
exclusion.
That's
an
incredibly
important
aspect
and
the
undoing
the
asymmetrical
power
dynamic
is
super
important
because
one
of
the
things
that
the
divided
does
is
it
sets
up
asymmetric
systems.
B
So
you
can
see,
for
example,
the
current
facebook
setup
is
you've
got
all
these
people
who
are
over
there.
Basically,
hacking,
your
your
amygdala
and
that's
a
hugely
asymmetric
practice.
So,
at
a
certain
point
we
banned
things
like
subliminal
advertising
for
a
reason,
but
facebook
actually
does
a
better
job
at
that
by
hacking.
B
Your
whole,
you
know
reward
system
in
your
brain
and
then
to
magnify
voices
who
have
something
to
teach
us
that
have
been
you
know,
suppressed
or
silenced,
or
pushed
into
the
psychological
shadow
of
the
the
whole
society
as
a
whole
and
then
to
do
re
framing,
is
also
important
for
us
individually
and
to
then
have
the
courage
to
go
into
social
situations
to
to
reframe
as
well.
B
B
Talks
about
how
the
how
they
people
deal
with
this
thing,
it's
called
flick.
It's
actually
a
process
for
making
people
not
be
able
to
to
tell
what
real
science
is
right.
So
so,
for
example,
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
flick
systems,
there's
this
sort
of
fake
experts,
logical
fallacies
and
possible
expectations,
cherry
picking
and
conspiracy
theories
so,
and
they
actually
go
into
some
detail
about
how
all
of
this
this
works
in
terms
of
how
do
different
conspiracy
theories,
and
things
happen.
This
is
all
when
I
say
it's.
B
Narcissistic
abuse
is
because
these
are
various
forms
of
gaslighting
and
things
that
you
see
in
in
narcissistic
abuse
systems.
So
in
terms
of
orientalism
there's
these
ontological
and
episcopalogical
distinctions
made
between
whatever
the
the
target
or
the
pretext
of
the
abuse
is
like
we're.
Gonna
go
into
yoga,
so
we're
gonna
sort
of
extrapolate
the
orient
out
of
this
and
the
occident
and
create
a
false
binary
out
of
that,
and
we
do
all
the
same
things
in
almost
every
situation,
so
you
know
raise
sex
money
everything.
B
So
you
know,
instead
of
thinking
about
giving
money
to
people
as
a
compassionate
thing.
We
create
these
false
binaries
that
there's
some
welfare
queen,
which
is
existing
driving
around
in
a
sports
car
just
being
on
welfare,
so
there's
just
a
whole
lot
of
things.
That
line
up
in
this
same
exact
way.
B
There's
also
this
idea
of
the
good
orient
existed
long
ago
in
the
same
way
that
you
know
this
whole,
you
know
make
things
great
like
they
used
to
be,
but
they
really
weren't
that
great
back
then,
and
the
bottom
one
is
what
I
said
before,
westerners
needing
to
protect
against
an
indian
past
of
yoga,
like
in
this
case,
without
requiring
any
modern
day
actual
asians
to
exist
there.
So
you
can
see
this
again
and
again.
B
The
subtitle
of
this
is
called
post-truth
post-race
post-colonization,
and
I
put
that
as
a
subtitle,
because
it's
a
bit
of
a
it's
a
bit
of
a
test
really
because
those
things
don't
really
exist,
post-truth
is
is
not
a
real
thing.
You
know,
post-race
is
not
relevant
at
all.
Post-Colonization
is
colonization
is
still
occurring,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
crucial
things
to
know
is
that
there's
this
idea
of
that.
B
I
got
from
tim
wise
that
he
relates
to
specifically
his
work
on
anti-racism
that
actually
talks
about
the
pathology
of
privilege,
which
is
that
that
there's
a
kind
of
blindness
that
existed
right.
There's,
for
example,
was
a
blindness
that
existed
among
the
the
parents
of
the
teenagers.
Who
did
the
columbine
massacres
right
because
they
were
there
were
there
were
white
people
and
they
were
living
in
a
largely
white
sort
of
situation.
They
didn't
really.
B
B
B
Having
grown
up
in
a
narcissistic
family,
and
I
have
family
members
still
trapped
in
this
narcissistic
family,
you
can
see
that
exactly
this
happens,
let's
say
with
the
monarchies
of
the
world
of
the
most
famous
of
which
is
the
british
monarchy.
B
They
extend
this,
but
you
can
see
that
you
know
the
kennedys
have
a
thing
like
this.
You
know
the
clintons
and
many
others,
the
bushes
and
so
on.
I'm
also
extending
that
there's
just
there's
this
legacy
to
the
divided
way
of
thinking
that
connected
to
narcissism,
that
is
a
normalized
expression
of
abuse
and
that
we
self-stigma
ourselves
under
the
guise
of
these
things,
so
that
we
actually
think
that
this
is
somehow
normal
and
the
the
extreme
version
of
this
that's
been
occurring
in
our
society.
B
You
know
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
louder
version
of
that,
because
we
had
a
very
loud
person,
sort
of
give
permission
to
a
whole
bunch
of
people,
and
so
now
we
sort
of
have
to
deal
with
this.
But
the
thing
that
I
think
we
don't
often
understand
is
that
this
existed
for
a
long
time,
but
not
only
to
exist
for
a
long
time,
but
there's
an
underlying
psychology
that
came
with
it
during
the
the
setup
of
all
these
systems,
and
I
like
to
shine
a
light
on
some
of
these
things.
B
The
presentation
that
I'll
give
you
a
link
to
in
a
little
bit
you'll
be
able
to
go
through
all
this
there's
a
ton
of
links
and
everything
in
here
so,
but
I
did
want
you
to
see
that
this,
this
sort
of
abuse
is
not
really.
I
know
it's
a
really
harsh
term
to
use,
but
I
think
it's
actually
an
appropriate
one,
because
you
can
actually
see
that
that
we're
we
have
all
these
things
going
on.
You
know
in
terms
of.
B
That's
the
reason
why
we're
creating
all
these
systems
trying
to
do
it
in
a
way
which
is
mindful
of
all
of
these
things,
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
reasonable
for
us
to
look
at
a
system
for
trying
to
resolve
conflict
without
understanding
that
we've
got
all
this
stuff
sitting
down
in
our
psychological
shadow,
which
has
been
so
normalized
that
we
might
not
even
recognize
it,
and
so,
by
giving
words
and
pointing
out
that
these
things
actually
do
happen,
not
only
in
just,
I
know,
a
relationship
that
went
bad
between
a
man
and
a
woman
in
a
particular
instance.
B
This
is
actually
something
which
is
being
done
systematically
across
our
entire.
You
know
western
modern
computer,
using
society
and
so
yeah.
Here
it
is
again,
this
is
a
technique
for
science
denial,
but
it
applies
to
many
other
things
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
this
too
much.
But
this
idea
of
idealizing
deep
value
and
discarding
is
something
that
we
see
quite
a
lot,
and
I
think
we
all
need
to
be
kind
of
aware
that
this
stuff
exists
and
figure
out
processes
to
undo
it.
B
So,
for
example,
if
I'm
trying
to
build
diversity,
there's
no
real
way
to
build
diversity,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
to
build
against
it,
and
this
in
many
ways,
is
a
chart
of
exactly
how
these
things
occur.
So
diversity
is
the
nature
of
reality.
Complexity
is
the
nature
of
reality,
and
these
things
right
here
this
idealize
devalue
and
discard,
is
a
process
by
which
you
can
undo
diversity
and
undo
complexity
and
prevent
that
from
happening.
B
So
it's
important
that
we
understand
how
these
things
work,
so
essentially
what
you
end
up
with
once
you've
gone
a
really
far
a
long
way.
You
start
with
an
individual
or
a
family.
Let's
say
the
british
monarchy
and
the
british
monarchy
goes
out
and
conquers
the
world,
and
so
now
you
have,
you
know
them
putting
upon
us.
Their
own
sort
of
narcissistic
divided,
left
brain
way
of
doing
things,
and
so
now
we
have
an
entire
world
view,
which
is
infects
everything
from
medicine
to
science,
to
to
everything,
and
it
essentially
cultifies
everything.
B
You
can
see
that
even
if
you're
doing
marketing
the
the
idea
is
to
actually
create
a
cult
of
people
who
really
believe
in
what
it
is
that
you're
doing
and
kind
of
trap
you
and
isolate
you
from
other
ways
of
thinking.
So
those
of
you
around
in
the
90s
might
have
heard
that
the
pc
versus
mac
wars,
this
kind
of
thing
happened.
I
actually
worked
at
apple
and
it
was
very
much
like
a
cult
just
working
there.
B
So
and
then,
like
I
said
before
this
pathology
of
privilege,
and
it's
it,
the
privilege
is
a
denial
of
the
state
of
reality,
the
real
thing,
and
if
you
combine
that
with
the
social
contract
that
says
that
the
privilege
will
never
be
made
to
feel
the
actual
consequences
of
their
attitudes
or
ignorance
or
their
bias
or
their
actions
like
we're.
B
Seeing
a
ton
of
in
the
news
right
now
then-
and
you
can
pretty
clearly
see
that
this
psychological
state,
this
privilege
state,
can
only
exist
inside
a
systemic
structure
that
is
completely
defined
by
abuse,
and
so
it's
really
something
else
that
I
I
think
you
guys
need
to
to
think
about.
B
Just
what
a
beautiful
thing
it
is
that
we
have
a
group
of
people,
all
of
whom
are
really
oriented
on
sort
of
penetrating
the
the
outer
shell
of
a
hard
shell
of
that
bubble
and
the
hierarchy
and
other
divided
stratagems
that
those
people
used
to
to
constantly
fight
for
a
higher
privilege
status.
B
It's
an
incredibly
challenging
thing
and
to
be
so
open
and
to
deal
with
the
fact
that
so
many
people
are
going
to
bring
in
with
them
this.
This
sort
of
pathological
division,
mentality
that
exists
so
pervasively
in
the
culture,
and
so
how
do
we
get
out
of
this?
This
is
this
basic
pedagogy
of
freedom
is
something
that's
this
chart
right
here.
B
You
can
chalk
up
to
ken
wilbur's
work,
which
I've
talked
about
a
little
bit
before
he's
a
person
who
created
basically
a
theory
of
everything
called
integral,
and
it's
basically
consists
of
five
parts.
You
know
waking
up
growing
up,
cleaning
up,
opening
up
and
showing
up
right
and
so
what's
interesting
is
you
can
see
that
all
the
people
who
are
in
this
group
today
and
all
the
people
who
show
up
to
all
the
different
meetings
and
get
things
done?
You
know
there's
there's
quite
a
lot
of
development.
B
In
order
for
you
to
show
up,
you
have
to
get
through
quite
a
lot
of
other
stuff,
and
the
people
who
show
up
the
most
are
the
ones
who
are
the
ones
who
have
most
thoroughly
gone
through
this
process
and
and
are
sort
of
showing
away
in
their
own
ability
to
show
up.
But
I
think
a
lot
of
times
we
don't.
B
We
don't
give
as
much
credit
or
understand
the
underlying
processes
that
a
person
who
is
showing
up
consistently
and
doing
things
had
to
go
through
in
order
to
you
know
to
be
like
that.
So
I'd
like
to
you
know,
praise
all
the
folks
who
are
consistently
you
know
showing
up,
because
I
personally,
when
I
see
people
consistently
showing
up
for
things,
I'm
aware
that
there
there
was
this
huge
process
that
they
themselves
had
to
go
through
in
order
to
to
kind
of
get
there.
B
I
like
this
quote
just
because
it
this
is
a
thing
that
you
see
a
lot
more
in
decentralized
organizations,
and
this
is
almost
an
assumption
in
a
way.
You
know
that
is
almost
subversive
to
the
centralized
mindset
of
both
organizations
and
money
and
other
things
that
we've
come
to
take
for
granted.
B
When
you're,
when
you're
waking
up
there's
a
great
link
here,
tim
wise
interrogates,
the
lens
through
which
we
view
our
social
reality,
it's
a
very
beautiful
thing,
which
I
recommend
you
watch
and
it
actually
talks
about
how
to
sort
of
regain
autonomy
and
agency
against
this.
This
abusive
culture,
you
must
begin
with
self-acceptance
and
compassion,
self-regulation,
self-expression
and
self-awareness,
and
for
all
of
these
things,
I
think
non-violent
communication
very
beautifully,
gives
you
permission
and
understanding
to
work
on
each
one
of
these
things.
B
I'd
like
you
to
also
be
able
to
see
how
my
role,
in
terms
of
you
know,
sort
of
being
a
white
guy,
and
talking
about
these
things
you
know
in
in
in
in
society
is
the
whole
idea
is
one
of
subversion
right.
This
comes
from
neil
postman's
work
called
teaching
it
from
the
book.
Teaching
is
a
subversive
activity.
It's
very,
very
beautiful
work
that
I
would
recommend
everyone
read
and
what
you
also
what
I've
noticed
in
in
my
spiritual
teaching.
B
Is
that
a
lot
of
times
what
people's
first
spiritual
awakening
is?
Is
that
they
wake
up
to
this
thing,
I've
called
I've
come
to
call
the
live
society
right
where
you
can
see
that
society's
been
lying
to
you
about
a
certain
thing
and
then
you're
like
okay.
Now
I've
got
to
go
work
on
myself
and
I've
got
to,
you
know,
become
more
unified
in
terms
of
my
own,
you
know,
processing
and
I'm
just
going
to
keep
saying
it
over
and
over
right.
There
are
two
different
ways
to
think.
So.
B
So
then
you
can
you
have
to
choose
your
way
out
of
the
process
too
right,
so
part
of
the
thing
about
us.
Creating
these,
these,
you
know
decentralized,
radically.
Inclusive
systems
is
that
we
have
to
choose
our
way
against
this
right.
We
have
to
choose
our
way
against
the
divided
strategies
and
prevent
those
divided
strategies
from
gaming,
our
system
or
otherwise.
B
You
know
creating
problems
for
us,
and
then
we
also
need
to
assert
our
right
to
understanding
in
terms
of
our
own
individual
selves,
so
I've
sort
of
put
my
hand
up
and
said
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
I'm
caring
for
every
individual
person
in
the
whole
of
the
token
engineering,
commons
and
all
of
the
other
places
in
which
I
participate
it's
it's
because
I
I
believe
that
we
all
need
to
assert
our
right
to
understand,
and
I
want
to
support
your
individual
right
to
understand
and
I
think
that
the
processes
that
we're
creating
in
the
token
engineering
commons
are
constructed
with
a
view
exactly
toward
that
and
there's
another
great
one
of
my
favorite
videos
called
the
science
delusion
by
rupert
sheldrake
talks
about
that.
B
In
terms
of
how
we
have
to
assert
our
right
to
understanding
with
respect
to
science,
so
the
other
thing
that
to
we
had
in
terms
of
some
pre-work
here
was
to
talk
about.
You
know,
jungian,
shadow,
work
right
and
so
mining
unconscious
is
really
a
good
thing
and
and
trying
to
understand
what
exists
in.
B
There
is
an
extremely
beautiful
process
that
not
enough
of
us
have
learned
how
to
do,
and
I
think
that,
because
of
this,
that
we
bring
that
into
the
organizational
context
in
which
we
operate,
and
so
it's
for
this
reason
that
you
might
hear
me,
you
know
recommending
that
we
do
something
about
that
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
people
to
understand
that
in
meetings
and
to
talk
about
that
and
and
some
of
the
ways
in
which
libby
and
and
wonka
have
made
this
happen
in
terms
of
trying
to
talk
about
ourselves
during
meetings
can
help
to
to
do
that.
B
So
I'd
like
to
do
that
a
little
more
explicitly
over
time,
so
now
we're
getting
into
connection
a
little
bit,
which
is
a
which
is
a
sense
making
framework
that
can
help.
You
overcome
this
confused
sort
of
gas-lit
state
which
can
exist
often
just
coming
out
of
the
the
media,
landscape
and
the
general
educational
landscape,
and
sometimes
families
this.
B
This
goes
back
to
the
the
thing
that
I
was
talking
about
before,
and
this
seems
very
messy,
but
the
primary
thing
I
want
you
to
see
out
of
this
is
that
there's
these
words
in
red
that
determine
the
different
kinds
of
action
modes
which
exist
here
so
what's
neat
about
this
is
this
is
a
map
that
you
can
figure
out
what
it
is
that
you're
actually
doing
so,
for
example,
the
omega
group
within
token
engineering,
commons
kind
of
exists
on
the
line
between
the
chaos
and
the
complex
right,
and
our
idea
with
that
group
is
to
to
exist
here
and
then
to
work
our
way
back
to
create
plans
right,
so
we
actually
kind
of
go
across
just
the
edge
of
the
chaos
into
the
complex
and
the
complicated.
B
So
you
might
want
to
think
about
the
different
groups
that
you're
participating
in
and
figure
out
what
action
mode
is
appropriate
for
what
it
is
that
you're
doing
at
this
time
in
the
in
the
token
engineering
commons,
and
you
can
actually
see
from
a
left
and
right
standpoint.
B
The
left
side
in
this
case
is
the
unified.
The
right
side
is
the
the
divided
right,
and
it
says
even
in
here
when
you
believe
all
this
simple,
everything's
ordered
and
past
success
makes
you
invulnerable
the
future
failure
think
again,
because
before
you
know
it,
the
chaotic
domain
grabs
you
by
the
throat
and
drags
you
into
a
crisis
and
we're
seeing
crises
all
over
the
world.
Now,
in
every
area
of
human
life,
not
just
monetary
systems.
B
And
then
you
know
we
kind
of
go
into
the
nvc
side
of
the
picture,
which
basically
deals
with
personal,
and
it
has
larger
societal
and
and
interpersonal
and
organizational
implications.
But
we
cover
that
a
lot
in
other
areas.
So
I'd
like
to
skip
over
that
a
little
bit.
So
so
this
really
goes
into
a
lot
of
detail
about
different
different
things.
B
But
I
did
want
to
just
kind
of
pause
for
a
moment
because
we're
in
the
last
15
minutes
and
make
sure
that
people
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions,
and
I
could.
A
Thanks
thanks
do
guys
and
yeah.
I
I
see
the
full
connection
between
this
presentation
and
the
whole
of
the
graviton
training,
because
we
should
be
able
to
understand
that
right
now
we
are
still
within
a
lot
of
abusive
systems
and
with
initiatives
like
gravity.
What
we
try
to
to
to
to
provide
is
that
capacity
to
undo
asymmetrical
power
systems
and
like
if
there
is
an
organization.
A
We
know
that
there
are
going
to
be
power
asymmetries
of
different
types,
but
we
should
try
to
treat
equally
all
of
the
people
that
is
participating
in
in
in
in
a
conflict
or
in
an
issue
and
like
not
objectivize
any
of
of
of
the
positions
and
like
fight
against
exclusion,
and
also
to
be
mindful
of
the
normalized
expressions
of
abuse
that
sometimes
we
unconsciously
reproduce.
A
So
I
think
that
it's
it's
important
to
to
to
recognize
the
abuse
of
the
system
that
we
have
in
order
to
be
able
to
promote
yeah,
better
systems
through
through
through
the
unification
of
of
of
different
polarities.
B
Well,
and
what
I
like
about
it
is
that
it
gives
me
a
tool
in
which
I
can
interrogate
all
other
theories.
So,
for
example,
if
I'm
looking
into
something
in
the
connection
side
of
this
picture,
let's
just
let's
just
show
you
the
newer
version
right,
there's
a.
B
So
this
is
the
version
11
of
the
sort
of
connection
model
that
rob
england
has
made
right.
So
this
is
not
as
cute,
but
so,
if
I'm
doing
a
complex
work
right
and
then
I'm
coming
up
with
constraints
well,
the
question
is:
is
have
I
created
a
governing
constraint
here
or
have
I
created
an
enabling
constraint?
Because
if
I've
created
a
governing
constraint,
the
thing
that
I'm
moving
into
the
complicated
is
is
something
that
bounds
me.
B
It
binds
me
right
and
so
and
that
later
I
might
then
create
something
in
the
model
which
then
I
bring
up
into
the
clear
and
then
later
becomes
repeatable.
And
now
I've
automated
a
thing
that
I
didn't
even
consider.
B
So
it's
just
super
important
to
understand
what
you
can
and
cannot
do
with
some
of
these
things
and
to
understand
that
if
you're
experimenting
over
here
in
the
complex-
and
you
can
create
a
governing
constraint-
you,
you
might
have
then
just
colonized
that
whole
system
as
it
gets
further
up
up
this.
You
know
energy
model
right
and
then,
if
you
continue
to
do
that,
then
you
might
have
forgotten
something.
Maybe
you
should
have
created
something.
B
My
basic
premise
here
is-
is
trying
to
make
sure
that
this
people
understand
how
you
know
what
kind
of
choices
that
you
make
when
you're
constraining
things
as
you're
experimenting
and
then
what
exactly
you're
modeling
when
you're
coming
from
the
the
sort
of
expertise
side
of
the
picture
in
the
complicated
you
know
has
a
big
effect,
and
so
I
think,
when
you're
working
in
in
the
token
engineering
companies
we're
doing
a
lot
of
complex
things,
and
so
most
of
what
we
should
be
doing
is
doing
things
that
have
enabling
constraints.
B
Although
you
know
for
safety
reasons,
because
we're
working
with
money,
we
might
need
governing
constraints.
But
it's
important
to
make
sure
you
get
that
there
is
a
difference
between
those
two
things
and
get
how
you
know
you
might
have
to
revisit
that
at
some
future
point.
If
the
governing
constraint
that
you
place
that
placed
on
a
process
somewhere
back
in
antiquity
stops
being
reasonable
for
that
particular
application.
A
Yeah,
more
than
a
question
is
also
to
to
continue
on
on
the
on
the
conversation,
and
that
gravitons
are
are
people,
as
should
be
people
that
is
able
to
think
in
unified
ways,
even
in
difficult
situations,
because
when
we
see
conflict,
conflict
is
an
expression
of
diversity
and
of
of
a
divided
way
of
understanding
reality.
A
And
we
as
gravitons
when
we
approach
a
conflict
when
the
two
people
are
having
a
divided
point
of
view.
Our
intention
is
to
to
to
try
to
unify
on
an
understanding
and
to
promote
unified
ways
of
solving
the
conflict
and
yeah
it.
A
I
I
see
so
much
information
in
your
presentation,
but
it's
really
important,
because
we
are
trying
to
to
to
stop
the
reproducing
the
abuse
and
and
that's
why
it's
so
important
to
first
identify
what
what
is
the
views
and
that
what
you
were
saying
that
the
post-truth
post-race
post-colonialism
is
a
big
lie,
because
we
still
have
see
a
lot
of
colonization
in
the
economy
and
within
different
types,
and
we,
as
gravitas,
should
should
be
able
to
fight
against
that
colonization
and
and
and
provide
yeah
equality
and
and
to
our
to
our
systems.
B
And
I
think
oftentimes
you
know
before
we
can
achieve
that.
We
need
to
be
able
to
orient
ourselves
somewhere
right
to
kind
of
know
that
there
are,
you
know,
contextualizing
frameworks,
like
nonviolent
communication,
like
you
know,
alternate,
distribute
dispute
resolution
and
but,
at
the
same
time,
there's
also
ways
to
construct
trust,
which
is
to
say
to
to
build
things
that
subvert
the
possibility
that
a
certain
kind
of
divided
outcome
could
come
about.
B
You
know,
and
if
you
think
about
it,
you
know
broadly
enough,
you
can
say
you
know
it's
important
to
be
broad-minded,
because
it's
important
to
be
able
to
say:
okay,
I'm
going
to
place
a
governing
constraint
on
this
and
see
what
happens
and
then
to
be
able
to
go
geez.
B
You
know
I
I
see
now
that
what
I
should
have
done
is
create
an
enabling
constraint
here,
and
that
way
I
can,
you
know
better
leverage,
the
actual
complexity
that
exists
versus
something
else,
and
so
so
oftentimes
we're
doing
this
to
ourselves
in
a
way
that
we're
not
conscious
of,
and
so
it's
my
hope
that
through
talking
about
all
this
stuff
and
giving
you
some
examples
and
giving
you
a
bunch
of
data
and
and
links
and
other
things
that
you
can
go
and
look
at
that
you'll
be
motivated
to
do
that
so
as
to
hopefully
prevent
you
know,
future
suffering,
future
problems
and
and
to
be
learned
to
be
flexible
enough,
that
we
can
revise
the
the
systems
that
we
make
as
as
appropriate.
B
C
C
B
B
Am
I
this
thing
and
then
through
inquiry
you
realize
you
know
what
I'm
not
and
then
you
start
thinking
deeper
and
you
say
you
know,
am
I
these
individual
thoughts
and
then
you
do
certain
practices
and
enable
to
withdraw
your
mind
from
your
senses
and
you
realize
geez.
So
much
of
my
thinking
was
informed
by
the
fact
that
I'm
constantly
in
this
relationship
with
the
senses,
and
so
you
get
a
different
kind
of
agency
and
autonomy
over
yourself
in
terms
of
that.
B
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
by
being
a
graviton
you're
going
to
be
presented
with
a
series
of
possible
ways
to
resolve
disputes
and
yeah,
I
think
that
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
be
high-minded
enough
not
only
to
to
resolve
a
dispute
on
behalf
of
someone
else,
but
I
think
you
have
to
first
find
a
way
to
resolve
that
dispute
within
yourself,
so
that
you
can
then
speak
to
with
with
a
kind
of
compassion
or
authority
or
or
whatever.
B
That
is
impactful,
because
you
have
really
examined
the
nature
of
all
of
these,
because
all
of
these
dualities
that
you're
gonna
approach,
you
know
chaos
or
control
or
stability
and
change,
or
these
different
polarities
and
there's
a
whole
thing
we'll.
We
can
talk
about
later
about
polarity
mapping,
but
all
of
those
things
are
just
opportunities
to
see
a
deeper
and
more
complex
version
of.
B
What's
going
on
so,
for
example,
you're
saying
right
now,
you're
you've,
given
yourself
the
very
pretext
of
the
question,
is
I've
given
myself
a
governing
constraint?
Well,
I
I
can't
even
maybe
talk
to
a
person
if
I'm
already
colonized
as
well,
but
what,
if
you
just
flip
that
around
and
say?
Well,
maybe
that's
an
enabling
constraint.
Then
this
gives
me
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
colonization
that
exists
within
myself
and
then
overcome
that
and
then
having
overcome
that.
B
That
discovery
will
then
be
fuel
for
you
to
better
assist
the
people,
your
you're
working
with
right,
because,
as
a
graviton,
one
of
the
things
you
have
to
do
is
you
have
to
be
able
to
put
yourself
in
the
shoes
of
both
sides
of
the
picture,
and
that
is
automatically
by
definition,
pulling
you
up
out
of
the
duality
in
some
way,
and
so
I
would
hope
that
as
a
graviton,
when
you
approach
a
given,
you
know
dualistic
conflict
laden
position
that
you
could
see
that
that
that
sort
of
removal
from
the
duality
is
is
crucial.
B
You're
welcome
any
other
questions.
Like
I
say
I
I.
I
am
aware
that
people
might
need
to
go
after
two
minutes
from
now,
but
I'm
willing
to
hang
out
for
a
little
bit
longer
and
continue
answering
questions
so
I'll.
Give
it
to
another
20
minutes.
A
A
So
it's
not
mandatory
to
go,
but
it's
very
complementary
and
non-violent
communication
yeah
it's
it's
one
of
a
framework
to
promote
trust
and
to
promote
compassion
within
ourselves.
So
yeah,
it's
just
to
invite
everyone
to
to
to
those
calls
as
well.
If,
if
you
are
interested
and
yeah
thanks
again
durgadez
and
I
will
open
the
mic
yeah
for
further
questions,.
C
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
clear
presentation
today.
C
I
think
for
me
specifically
the
very
concrete
answers
within
dao
within
the
dao
environment,
to
actually
run
through
this
model
and
have
it
specifically
seen
in
past
situations
and
endows
would
probably
help
me
to
not
be
able
to
execute
on
that.
A
Well,
if,
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
we
can
start
wrapping
up
the
call
and
thanks
everyone
for
for
joining
and
yeah.
If
you
have
ques
any
question,
you
can
stay
a
little
bit
longer
for
us
to
to
continue,
but
thanks
everyone
for
joining
this
call.
B
And
I'm
currently
sharing
the
the
presentation
here.
I
think
I
opened
it
up
to
everybody
with
with
the
link.
So
please,
let
me
know,
maybe
can
somebody
just
go
there
to
the
link
in
the
gravity
channel
and
confirm
that
it
doesn't
require
you
like
request
accessories.
A
B
A
C
B
I
really
appreciate
any
specific
thing
that
jumped
out
to
you
or
whatever
you,
whatever
you
think.
C
C
C
Quite
often,
sometimes
I
feel
there's
a
little
bit
lost
from
myself
to
that
generation
at
times
on
my
side
of
the
coin,
not
theirs,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
important
to
you
know
at
times
I
feel
like
I'm,
I'm
a
lot
further
when
you
had
the
you
know
where
it
started
up
from
waking
up
to
growing
up-
and
you
know
all
the
way
to
like
guiding,
I
believe
was
the
last
one,
and
I
do
a
lot
of
different
programs
in
that
kind
of
way,
and
I
feel
like
at
the
end.
C
But
then
sometimes
you
have
like
some
of
these
moments
that
bring
you
all
the
way
back
to
step.
One
waking
up
like
another
layer
in
the
onion
of
your
perspective,
of
seeing
something
you
know
from
a
different
way,
which
is
exactly
why
I'm
consistently
always
trying
to
participate
in
things
like
this,
because
you
can
never,
you
know,
really
get
to
the
to
the
middle
of
the
onion
right.
C
So
it's
always
a
beautiful
thing
when
another
perspective
and
somebody
bringing
it
to
you
in
a
different
way,
then
can
let
you
peel
off
another
layer
of
the
onion
to
see
something
a
different
way
to
be
more
open,
so
yeah.
I
really
appreciate
that.
B
So
if
I
was
talking
about
it
from
let's
say
child
development,
I
would
start
with
the
it
right
so
me
having
autism
right,
so
I'm
going
to
develop
in
a
certain
kind
of
way,
there's
going
to
be
certain
strategies
and
things
that
are
going
to
happen
as
I'm
developing
myself
in
consciousness
right
and
so
then,
as
I
then
grow
up
out
of
my
base
self
and
become
family
oriented
and
then
figure
out
my
own
power
and
you
know
start
to
interact,
interact
with
how
I
want
to
organize
myself
and
what
I
want
to
achieve
and
so
on,
depending
on
where
I
am
in
this
in
this
group,
which
is
what
you
were
just
talking
about
right,
you're,
saying
that
there's
a
never-ending
thing
about
this.
B
Well,
there
is
actually
a
pretty
well-known
developmental
framework
into
which
you
basically
go
and
then,
as
you
let's
say,
you're
the
achiever
self
sort
of
person
right
now,
which
is
most
people.
Frankly,
then
you
come
and
interact
with
a
pluralistic
system
like
this
one
which
is
trying
to
become
integral,
and
I
believe
token
engineering
commons
is
really
right
on
the
border
between
the
green
and
the
yellow
here
right,
you're
going
to
be
like,
oh
okay,
so
there's
some
things
in
which
I
have
to
grow
to
grow.
B
In
order
to
see
do
you
know
what
I
mean
and
then
what
you're
going
to
then
see
is
that
the
systems
which
are
created
by
that
culture
and
world
view
then
end
up
on
this
side
of
it
and
then
what
is
produced
then
out.
The
other
side
of
those
systems
is
something
else
all
together
right
and
so
there's
a
kind
of
a
counterclockwise
narrative.
B
That
kind
of
I
talk
about
so
when
you
say
that
you
know,
as
you
go
through
these
different
things,
that
that's
that's
true,
but
at
the
same
time
there
are
some
well-known
sort
of
stages
in
which
these
things
occur.
You
know.
C
I
do
a
post
up
trauma
group
and
then
my
as
coda
and
that's
why
I
had
him
jump
in
as
well
and
so
and
and
I've
been
doing
it
for
like
10
years
and
then
I
do
a
lot
of
advocacy
as
well.
B
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
much
again,
I'm
still
eager
to
hear
other
questions
or
comments.
B
Anything
you
didn't
like
about
it,
something
that
rubbed
you
the
wrong
way.
Maybe.
B
B
Some
of
those
pages
are
very
dense
and
contain
a
lot
of
information
so
yeah,
I
I
it's
really
nice
to
have
a
unified
framework
in
which
you
can
understand
the
operation
of
society,
because
I
think
it's,
it's
very
despairing
to
have
all
these
crazy
things
happen
and
then
not
have
something
into
which
you
can.
You
can
have
a
narrative
that
makes
sense
and
is
congruent.
You
know-
and
I
found
myself
really
wanting
that,
especially
in
the
last
you
know
five
or
six
or
seven
years-
it's
been
it's
been
very.
B
I
don't
know
that
I
would
have
survived
the
landscape,
this
landscape
of
the
last
few
years,
without
having
some
way
at
which
to
understand
all
of
this.
You
know,
and
so
that's
kind
of
trying.
B
And
I
think
that
people
just
don't
understand
the
construction
of
these
things
right.
So
the
fact
that
that
we
live
in
this
asymmetric
colonized
system
that
is
using
coloniality
to
you
know
perpetuate
these
unequal
systems
that
everyone
is
suffering
from
right,
and
so
that's
why
I
don't
like
to
kind
of
break
it
up
into
this
sort
of
white
guy
black
guy
thing,
even
though
I'm
a
white
guy
and
it
might
sound
like
I'm
trying
to
avoid
something
around
that-
that's
not
it
at
all.
I
just
didn't
think
it
was
diagnostically
accurate.
B
B
I
don't
know
that
I'll
ever
be
done,
revising
it,
because
I'm
always
going
to
have
something
to
learn,
but
I
really
did
try
to
consult
with
as
many
people
as
possible
from
the
native
band
and-
and
it
was
all
you
know,
taken
as
a
my
whole
process
is
one
of
subversion.
You
know,
if
you
look
at
real
spirituality,
that's
a
process
of
subverting
your
identity
so
that
you
can
see
the
world
the
way
that
it
really
is.
B
I
think
many
of
the
problems
that
we
have
in
our
society
are
based
in
this
kind
of
a
false
identity.
That's
perpetuated
upon
us
by
divided
thinkers
right
and,
and
you
once
you
see
it,
that
it's
really
hard
to
unsee
it.
You
know,
and
so
yeah
it's
nice.
So
when
I
read
a
thing,
I
can
read
that
with
the
thinking
of
unified
and
divide
it.
So
if
I
read
charles
eisenstein,
you
know
sacred
economics.
I
can
see
that
that's
there
right.
If
I
read
you
know
different
leadership
books
different.
B
All
of
that
is
a
combination
of
unified
and
divided
thinking,
but
unless
you
understand
the
context
of
it
in
this
larger
way
and
can
identify
the
specific
ways
in
which
the
divided
thinkers
you
know
work
and
the
unified
thinkers
work,
then
you
might
be
creating
a
system
that
just
perpetuates
a
different
type
of
coloniality,
and
I
think
it's
super
important
that
we
have
tools
to
work
against
that
and
it
takes
an
awful
lot
of
education
and
individual
sort
of
coaching
and
dealing
with
things.
B
C
I
appreciated
durgados
how
you
incorporated
the
sacred
economics
ideas,
because
I
think
the
last
time
I
saw
one
of
your
presentations
using
some
of
this
stuff.
C
I
think
that
was
really
interesting
to
see
eisenstein's
sacred
economics
presented
in
this
dao
or
a
token
space,
because
it
it
builds
upon
this
idea
of
like
what
are,
what
are
the
different
constraints
that
exist
and
then
also,
how
do
we
look
at
money
or
monetary
systems
from
a
really
human
way,
as
opposed
to
you
know
this
abstract
thing
that
removes
any
kind
of
soul
from
it.
B
Yeah
decontextualization
is
the
tool
of
the
colonizer
right.
That's
the
and
and
contextualization,
and
the
pedagogy
for
contextualization
is
education
right.
The
pedagogy
for
decontextualization
is
ignorance
so,
and
you
can
actually
see
all
of
eisenstein's
recommendations
are
based
on
these
fundamental
motivations
right.
What's
wrong
with
the
picture,
what
can
we
do
about?
B
It
just
comes
down
to
those
two
things
right,
and
so
it's
kind
of
so
when
I
read
things,
that's
what
I'm
saying
it's
a
lens
through
which
I
can
interrogate
all
these
other
things,
and
it
gives
me
a
kind
of
a
way
to
it's.
Just
I'm
just
a
super.
I
need
contextualization
because
my
brain
thinks
about
things
that
so
broadly
now
that
I
can't
take
any
decontextualized
fact
as
an
individual
piece
right.
B
It
just
doesn't
sit
well
with
me
and
I
think
we've
been
taught
to
do
exactly
that
in
our
society,
and
I
I
like
to
encourage
coach
present
different
ways
to
try
to
get
you
know
beyond
that,
and
I
I
I
love
to
read
all
these
different
books.
You
know
about
you,
know
potential
solutions
like
eisenstein
and
and
witnessing
everyone
here,
who's
putting
their
their
money.
Where
their
mouth
is
literally
to
do
exactly,
that
is
a
very
beautiful
thing.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
I
didn't
know
about
sacred
economics,
but
I
will
I
will
read
it,
but
also.
A
The
other
thing
that
I
was
thinking
is
that
the
good
thing
of
of
going
into
the
unified
is
that
we
can
do
checks
and
balances,
and,
like
last
week,
community
call
or
two
weeks
ago
we
had
this
project
called
century,
and
that
made
me
think
a
lot
because
it
it
it's
a
project
that
gives
tr
try
to
give
try
to
give
more
value
to
to
a
a
tree
that
is
planted
than
a
tree
that
is
caught
to
be
processed
so
yeah.
It's
it's.
A
It's
somehow
a
way
that
we
can
do
checks
and
balances
and
promote
economic
activities
that
that
that
promote
the
unified
yeah,
a
new
unified
economy
and-
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
main
problem
of
our
economy-
that
it
it
it
only
measures,
financial
value
and
in
a
in
a
framework
of
what
is
that
a
thing
worth
for
in
our
economic
system?
A
B
Yeah
and
it's
actually
it's
sort
of
life
and
anti-life
right
what
you're
describing
you
know.
I
like
nvc,
because
it's
it's
saying
that
it's
a
language
of
life
right,
but
I
I
like
to
think
that
a
well-done
economic
system
could
be
the
economics
of
life
right.
You
could,
I
mean
spirituality.
B
The
spirituality
is
literally,
how
do
you
think
in
more
increasingly
unified
ways
right
and
how
do
you
contextualize
make
sense
of
and
make
relevant
the
divided
stuff,
because
the
divided
stuff
isn't
to
be
thrown
out
either
right?
It's
not
not
all
evil.
It's
it's
that
when
it's
done
in
in
an
imbalanced
fashion.
That
is,
creates
a
problem
for
you
right
and
so
to
create
a
balance
between
the
unified
thinking
and
the
divided
thinking.
B
We
all
still
exist,
as
apparently
individual
humans,
but
if
you
treat
yourself
as
though
you're
not
you
know
just
an
individual,
then
and
then
you'll
then
extend
that
same
thing
to
others
and
that's
a
sort
of
basic
psychological
precept.
B
Okay,
so
three
more
minutes
and
let's
say
one
more
question:
I'm
gonna
just
ask
nate
or
lauren,
who
are
the
people?
I
know
best
left
in
this
group.
C
Me
too,
I'm
sort
of
just
hanging
out
listening
listening
because
I
feel
like
it
was
like
just
a
lot
of
just
a
lot
of
information
like
a
lot
to
take
in
and
even
with
the
slides.
I'm
excited
for
you
to
share
the
presentation,
because
I
feel
like
there's
so
much
information
on
the
slides
I
want
to
like
it.
B
Yeah,
I
I
included
it
and
thanks
for
to
to
tiffany,
for
putting
in
the
link
to
the
secret
economics,
which
is
online.
B
A
Well,
great
everyone.
Thank
you
thanks
thanks
durgadez
for
facilitating
this
session
and
we
hope
to
see
you
yeah
in
next
in
further
meetings.
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
see
you!
Everyone
thanks.