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A
But
today
I
didn't
prepare
a
question,
so
does
any
of
you
want
to
start
with
the
intro
question
for
today
or
any
like
topic
that
we
can
discuss
about.
B
I
have
a
question:
I'm
curious.
It's
just
something.
I've
been
that's
been
kind
of
running
through
my
head.
Lately,
I'm
curious
about
people's
experience
with
decentralized
organizations
in
like
meet
space
like
in
real
life.
B
Should
I
start
by
like
talking
about
that?
Okay
yeah
so
like
I've
definitely
had
some.
You
know
I've
been
around
some
intentional
communities
and
and
then
some
more
decentralized
things
you
know
like
rainbow
gatherings
and
like
the
rainbow
family,
and
there
are
some
other
kind
of
cultures
that
maybe
are
run
parallel
tracks
or
have
are
an
analogous
sort
of
not
anyways.
I
just
thought
a
lot
about.
You
know
in
blockchain
we're
always
talking
about
blockchain
consensus
but
like
in
you
know,
traditional
communities.
B
If,
if
you
wanted
to
use
like
a
consensus
with
you,
you
could
sit
in
a
circle
and
you're
trying
to
make
a
decision
and
then
you
just
don't
and
ever
if
you
pass
a
feather
or
stick
or
whatever,
so
that
the
person
who's
talking
has
the
score.
B
And
then,
when
you
get,
you
know
you
get
it,
you
do
it
a
round
of
introductions
and
then
you
proceed
with
like
talking
each
person
sharing
and
then
you
just
don't
stop
until
everyone
agrees
on
the
next
decision
and
and
there's
something
really
powerful
about
that
idea
like
compared
to
democracy,
where
a
majority
or
some
legal
majority
of
people
make
a
decision
that
affects
everybody
and
obviously
that
scales
a
little
more
easily
than
just
like.
But
there's
something
really
powerful
about
everybody
having
to
agree,
and
you
might
not
get
like
what
you
wanted
originally.
B
B
It
I
can
pass
it:
okay,
durgados.
B
D
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
shared
some
links
recently
about
deliberately
developmental
organizations
and
I
included
a
couple
of
there's
like
three
videos.
There
are
a
lot
longer
ones,
but
there's
like
two
like
three
or
four
minute
videos
and
then
one
that's
like
30
minutes
or
25
minutes.
It's
pretty
easy
to
get
through
right.
D
Now,
that's
that's
my
ideal
setup
because
it
seems
to
me
that-
and
I
actually
did
a
podcast
with
somebody
from
metagame
today
about
this,
where
it
seems
to
me
that
when
things
become
too
centralized,
it's
almost
oppressive
right
and
so
that
we're
when
we're
like.
Okay,
let's
break
out
of
that,
let's
get
into
this
decentralized
work,
but
then
a
lot
of
times
we're
just
doing
that
kind
of
for
its
own
sake
in
some
ways.
D
D
My
thought
was
just
why
don't
we
just
be
really
intentional
about
that
and
figure
out
what
the
process
by
which
we
can
can
develop?
So
if
we
say
we're
going
to
be,
if
we're
going
to
be
inclusive
exactly
what
does
that
look
like
if
we're
going
to
be
transparent?
D
What
does
that
exactly
look
like
in
in
and
juan
actually
shared
one
section
of
that
thing
about
how
all
all
calls
and
all
things
for
this
one
organization
would
be
recorded,
for
example,
and
so
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
I'm
for.
D
If
you
listen
to
that
third
video,
I
posted
you
guys,
will
see
that
there's
some
just
super
interesting
stuff
in
there.
So
I
just
thought,
rather
than
just
saying,
let's
all
be
decentralized
and
everyone's
counts,
and-
and
I
know
that,
for
example,
the
thing
that
you
were
just
talking
about
dan-
they
they
have,
they
have
consensus
where
they
don't
leave
anyone
behind
in
the
dada
group.
D
So
I'm
a
part
of
that
group
and
they
specifically
say
that
the
the
the
needs
of
all
the
individuals
are
met
by
the
by
satisfying
the
needs
of
the
group.
So
we
don't
do
a
thing
without
you
know,
sort
of
bringing
everybody
forward
and-
and
it's
almost
like
a
radical
consensus
in
a
way
because
they're
doing
it
a
little
bit
differently
by
highly
tuning
it
and
making
it
really
really
aligned
with
all
the
participants
stuff.
So
I
really
agree
with
that,
but
it
feels
like
the
traditional
consensus.
D
Things
need
some
tuning
and
I
feel
like
dada's
doing
a
really
really
good
job
of
making
that
thing
happen
for
us,
I
kind
of
prefer
it
just
if
you
guys
will
look
at
the
videos.
I
think
you'll
see
that
that
sounds
so
much
more
like
what
we're
doing
than
perhaps
like
this
pure
consensus
thing
that
dot
out's
doing.
But
that's
that's
my
current
perspective
on
it
and
I'll
I'll
put
in
a
link
where
I
sort
of
talk
about
that
at
length
in
in
the
podcast.
E
B
Basically,
it's
it's
just
reflections
on
decentralized
organizations
in
meat
space.
Your
experiences
thoughts,
studies,
reflections,
yes,.
E
E
E
It's
been
very
challenging
at
times
coming
from
a
world
that
was
very
much
the
iron
fist
hammer
down
line
line
line
after
line
like
this
is
what
we
do,
and
this
is
what
we're
gonna
do
and
we're
not
gonna
change
it
any
other
time,
and
this
is
what
happens
and
it
can
be
very
stressful,
but
at
the
same
time
you
can
guarantee
that
the
routine
will
always
be
the
same.
E
So
what
your
duties
and
responsibilities
are
don't
change,
and
then
it
creates
an
unspoken
understanding
of
how
people
do
it,
because
just
because
it's
like
this
on
a
wall
like
a
poster-
and
it's
like
this-
is
what
you
do
or
when
somebody
shows
you.
Oh,
this
is
what
we
do.
You're
gonna
learn
your
own
way
of
doing
it.
So
nobody
cares
about
that
because
that's
how
you
do
that
thing
and
then
guys
just
kind
of
learn
a
way
to
do
it
within
it.
That
is
the
way.
E
So
it's
it's
difficult
because
I'm
still
trying
to
like
find
this
little
niche,
where
it's
my
way
of
doing
it
within
the
space
and
it's
also
very
challenging,
because
there
is
no
way
it's
just
this
open
space
and
it's
it's
tough.
Honestly,
there
are
a
lot
of
times
where
I
just
like.
I
I
really
wish
there
was
a
central
point
of
command
very
much
so
sometimes
so
it's
it's
challenging!
I'm
adapting
you
know
it's
a
whole,
very,
very
different
change
of
speed
and
everything
for
me.
E
Fortunately,
crypto's
huge,
fortunately,
crypto,
moves
very,
very
fast,
so
there's
other
dynamics
that
I'm
like
very
familiar
with
that
help
make
up
for
a
lot
of
that.
You
know,
whereas,
like
do
a
gor
in
order
to
engage
and
move,
people
have
to
react
and
respond,
because
crypto
will
not
allow
you
not
to
you
know
what
I
mean
so
at
least
there's
some
of
those
correlations
just
as
an
industry
in
itself.
E
That
really
really
like
have
helped
a
lot
for
me
to
try
and
make
some
balance
other
than
that.
It
really
is
just
like
intrinsic
logistics
of
human
resources.
That's
about
his
best!
That's
that's
as
about
as
that's
about
as
corporate
as
I
can
make
that.
E
Other
than
that,
it's
fun,
it's
really
nice
to
not
have
the
pressures
of
the
bigger
the
bigger
fist
coming
down.
It's
really
nice
not
to
have
that
anymore.
It's
it's
a
huge
relief,
but
I
don't
know
I
there
are
other.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
things.
I
do.
I
do
still
very
much
miss
right
now,
but
it'll
change
I'll
it.
You
know
I'll,
adapt
I'll
pass
it
to
you.
Griff.
F
F
I
don't
see
that
part
in
the
question
and
I
haven't
had
any
experience
with
like
local
decentralized
organizations,
where
lots
of
people
in
the
same
area
like
co-located
and
trying
to
do
a
decentralized
organization,
and
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
different
dynamic.
But,
as
far
as
like
you
know,
decentralized,
look
along
with
the
locality
decision.
Making
processes
are
the
most
important
thing
and
understanding
who
makes
decisions
and
when
and
over
what
and
having
methodologies
that
will
make
that
flow.
F
For
this,
I
think
we
do
a
really
good
job
in
the
te
commons
scaling
horizontally
and
making
sure
that
there's
people
who
have
a
focused
understanding
of
what
needs
to
be
done
and
and
how
and
are
uniquely
positioned
to
actually
make
sure
it
happens
and
have
the
tools
at
their
disposal
and
also
the
agency
to,
and
not
only
like.
F
You
know
on
the
blockchain
agency,
you
know
whatever
right,
but
actually
they
feel
politically
and
and
within
the
culture
and
culturally
they
that
they
have
agency
to
make
decisions
and
get
things
done,
call
it
done
and
move
it
around.
The
other
important
piece
is
transparency,
because
if
you
can't
see
what
other
people
are
doing,
you
know
it's
we're,
not
co-located.
So
if
you
can't
see
what
other
people
are
doing,
you
end
up
with
a
lot
of
redundancy.
You
end
up
with
double
work.
F
I
mean
we
still
have
that
and
we
try
so
hard
to
have
everything
in
zenhub
and
have
one
person
assigned
to
each
issue
and-
and
we
still
end
up
copying,
work
and
making
content
pieces
that
are
almost
the
same,
but
with
different
angles
and
yeah.
It's
tough
when
there's
not
a
central
coordinator,
but
a
whole
bunch
of
people
kind
of
flowing
on
their
own
it.
F
It
can
be
difficult,
but
I
think
you
just
have
to
make
sure
and
make
space
for
for
certain
things
to
happen
and
coordination
and
and
it
works
out
pretty
well.
F
I
I
think
it's
pretty
easy
to
fall
into
normal
tribal
like
things
where
there's
a
chief
and
then
there's
like
other
generals,
you
could
say-
and
I
I
don't
think
that
that's
necessarily
so
bad.
But
it's
really
once
you
have
the
dow
in
place
and
you
have
like
a
formalized
structure.
F
I
think
it'll
be
a
lot
easier
to
just
say:
oh
yeah,
the
the
this
is
the
accountability
measures
and
this
the
dow,
the
blockchain,
can
kind
of
be
the
the
the
final
verdict
on
how
things
go
and
then
it
it
can
work
from
there
anyway.
I'll
pass
it
to.
F
A
Muted,
if
you
want,
you
can
try
to
speak
after
I
finish
and
I'll
give
you
some
time
to
tweak
your
mic.
I
would
say
that
this
is
also
my
first
experience
in
a
decentralized
organization,
but.
A
But
I
I
in
the
past
I
tried
to
enter
into
another
organization,
and
people
told
me
like
they
needed
programmers
and
that
they
don't
needed
people,
especially
who
is
specially
sized
in
the
social
science
in
social
sciences.
So
so
I
felt
a
little
bit
like
relegated
from
that
try.
But
it
was
really
really
great
and
it's
something
that
I
I
admire
from
the
people
who
who
framed
the
concept
of
token
engineer
token
engineering,
that
it
talks
about
a
transdisciplinary
field.
A
And
I
love
that
because
that
makes
it
more
much
inclusive
for
people
who
is
not
only
in
in
in
certain
fields
of
of
of
or
in
certain
areas
or
or
petals
of
the
flower.
Because
I
see
that
this
comes
from
a
very
mature
point
of
view.
A
Where
you
see
that
not
only
the
things
that
you
know
are
the
things
that
are
important,
but
also
the
things
that
you
might
don't
know
and
that
we
are
to
complement
our
different
points
of
view
and
that
there
is
not
like
one
line.
Who
is
going
to
have
the
the
absolute
truth
so
yeah.
For
me,
the
experience
that
I
have
had
with
the
dc.
It's
amazing
because
I
I
have
this
sense
of
belonging
to
a
community
and
to
something
bigger,
but
it
it.
A
It's
also
something
that
I
see
that
there
is
still
a
lot
of
people
that
that
need
to
comprehend
token
engineering
and
this
world
as
something
that
can
have
a
place
for
for
all
areas
of
knowledge
and
for
all
types
of
contributions.
C
Thanks
fong
yeah,
I
think
I
think
there
is
a
difference
between.
I
don't
know.
Maybe
I'll
talk
to
high
level,
but
I
think
there
is
a
difference
between
something
that
is
fragmented
and
something
that
is
fractalized.
C
I
think
fragmented,
there's
not
much
communication
between
the
parts
and
a
vision
of
the
whole,
and
I
think
when
it's
fractalized
the
parts,
the
individual
parts
reflect
the
whole
and
there
is
a
communication
between
them.
If
you
think
about,
I
don't
know
like
the
mycelium
network
and
how
all
of
them
are
connected
and
communicating-
and
I
think
this
is
key
for
understanding
the
power
structures
and
how
they
can
be
decentralized.
C
So
one
one
thing
that
astrum
talks,
a
lot
about
is
when,
when
she
talks
about
mutual
monitoring
is
how
information
is
the
biggest
power
people
can
have,
and
and
that's
the
highest
incentive
for
people
to
take
part
in
mutual
monitoring,
because
if
they
are
mutual
monitoring
each
other
and
they
understand
how
they
are
acting
under
a
certain
type
of
rules
that
they
made
themselves
collectively
and
they
see
the
behaviors
of
others.
They
are
observing.
Therefore,
they
have
information
that
maybe
other
players
don't
have,
and
this
gives
them
a
certain
advantage.
C
So
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
to
to
give
plenty
of
access
of
information
to
everyone
and
quality
of
information,
and
that's
when
transparency
comes
in
so
having
agency,
like
griff
said,
is
having
access
to
information
plus
the
curiosity
to
look
for
it.
So
externally
is
availability
of
of
intellectual
resources,
and
internally
is
this
drive
for
wanting
to
go
look
for
these
resources.
So
I
think
this
combination
makes
the
agency
that,
if
multiple
individuals
have
will
sustain
a
decentralized
environment
and
I
passed
to
sun.
G
I
I
believe
that
we,
we
are
so
integrated
or
we've
been
grown
and
developed
on
such
an
integrated,
centralized
society
that
it's
it's
not
easy
to
move
away
from
there
and
we
we
are
not
used
to
take
the
initiative.
G
We
are
used
to
be
told
what
to
do
and
follow
the
centralization
rules
and
everything
that
we
deal
with
on
our
daily
life.
So
right
now
there
is
this
new
way
of
working
and
we
need
to
learn
how
to
do
it.
We
need
to
experiment
some.
Some
of
us
have
been
lucky
enough
to
to
join
different
dials
and
the
technology
and
kobit
helped
on
that.
The
technology
of
video
conferencing.
It's
it's.
You
know
it's
it's
right
here,
you
can
work
with
people
from
all
over
the
world.
G
I've
joined
pc
and
I
haven't
met
anyone
in
person
yet,
but
that
requires
you
deciding
you
want
to
move
forward.
You
want
to
jump
into
the
unknown
and
and
you're
taking
the
lead
initially,
and
that's
that's
the
that's,
that's
that's
what
needs
to
be
changed.
There
is
so
many
people
used
to
just
join
organizations
where
they
are
told
and
there
is
a
structure
and
there
is
a
centralized.
G
H
H
I
really
like
the
decentralized
communities
and
I
wouldn't-
I
would
have
a
hard
time-
maintaining
interest
in
projects
where
the
that
weren't
decentralized,
like
I
had
a
actually
had
a
job
with
one
hive
where
I
was
like
in
buzz,
dow
and
after
a
few
months,
and
it
wasn't
onerous
in
any
way.
But
after
a
few
months
of
that
I
was
like.
Oh
no,
I
have
a
job.
I
can't
do
this
anymore,
and
so
I
had
to
like
quit
my
buzz
down
position
and
give
it
up
to
you
know
for
a
vote
for
someone
else.
H
I
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
decentralized
organizations
in
the
sense
that,
like
I
lived
in,
I
lived
in
a
co-op
when
I
was
in
college
and
that's
pretty
much
decentralized
in
the
day-to-day
way
that
things
go.
You
know,
like
people
have
jobs
and
stuff,
but
everything's
voted
on
and
and
chosen
by
the
people
in
the
in
the
organization,
and
then
I
was
involved
in
a
couple
of
co-ops
in
portland
and
then
like
when
I've
done
work.
H
I've
we've
thought
about
and
discussed
ways
to
make
it
like
owner
or
a
worker
owned,
and
that's
a
really
important
form
of
decentralization.
That
needs
to
be
promoted
more
and
then
last
summer,
and
it's
I'll
probably
be
over
my
ptsd
enough
to
go
in
for
a
few
more
rounds.
H
I
did
a
lot
of
direct
action,
which
is
a
lot
of
it
is
just
being
present
a
lot
of
it
is
documenting
and
then
a
lot
of
direct
action
is
like
offering
resources
to
marginalized
communities.
H
H
I
mean
yeah
information's
power,
but
but
like
I,
don't
really
seek
power.
I
just
want
to
be
part
of
developing
this
structure,
this
community,
this
this
way
of
life
that
that's
going
to
lift
us
into
the
next
era
of
how
we
relate
to
each
other,
how
we
communicate
and
how
we
govern
ourselves.
I
No
thank
you
yeah
me,
as
many
of
you
like.
This
is
my
first
experience
and
yeah.
It's
been
incredible
and
what
yeah,
mostly
what
grief
and
maybe
or
maybe
libby,
was
saying
like
the
like
the
the
course
structure
is
very
important.
I
am
actually
actually
starting
to
work
on
another
dial.
A
little
bit
too
and
yeah
at
the
beginning
is
like
super
messy.
There
is
no,
not
even
a
github
or
some
place,
so
you
go
to
to
start
but
yeah.
It's
been
amazing
and
I'm
really
enjoying
it
I'll
pass
it
tomorrow.
J
Hey
guys
yeah,
so
in
my
experience
you
know,
I've
noticed
that
decentralized
organizations
are
stigmatic
as
opposed
to
hierarchical,
and
it's
not
something
that
gets
talked
about
a
lot,
perhaps
because
it's
so
inherent
in
the
way
we
organize
as
social
animals
and
for
those
that
are
not,
I
mean
for
those
that
are
not
aware
of
stigma
you.
It
certainly
is
it's
a
mechanism
of
of
indirect
coordination
in
which
the
trace
left
by
an
action
in
a
medium
stimulates
subsequent
actions.
J
Right
so
think,
think
of
you
know
extreme
scaling
scene
in
mass
collaborative
projects
such
as
wikipedia
where
you
know
someone
posts
something
and
then
there's
there's
an
editor.
That
does
something
I
mean
github.
Essentially
it's
just
a
stigmatic
platform.
J
So
it's
it's
it's
a
class
of
behavior
in
which
collective
activity
gets
coordinated
through
an
individual's
response
to,
and
modification
of,
a
local
environment
right.
So
we
have.
We
have
an
action
that
produces
a
mark
on
a
medium
which
stimulates
further
action
and
within
token
engineering.
J
That's
what
we
have
tokens
for
tokens
are
just
carriers
of
information
within
the
system,
and
I
mean
the
praise
mechanism,
the
governance
tokens,
the
monetary
value
that
csdk
tokens
are
going
to
have
they're,
just
really
stigmatic
mediums
and
really
understanding
this
new
type
of
collaboration
that
greatly
differs
from
hierarchical
and
is
more
polycentric.
J
I
think
it's
it's
key
to
to
optimizing
the
way
we
produce
value
within
the
community.
I
think
it's
something
that
that
does
not
get
approached
or
or
studied
enough,
and
it's
something
I'm
very.
J
And
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
pass
it
to,
I
think,
did
dan.
Have
you
have
you
gone
or
yeah
you?
You
actually
asked
what
about
you?
Ben's.
Have
you
gone.
J
Yeah
you've
gone,
I
think.
K
Yeah,
sorry,
I'm
doing
this
on
my
phone
and
it's
not
cooperating
so
yeah,
so
I'm
currently
working
for
a
government
public
health
agency.
So,
as
you
can
imagine,
very
centralized
bureaucratic
someone
mentioned
earlier,
it's
it's.
You
know
they
were
coming
from
a
centralized
background,
but
it
was
very
fast
moving.
This
is
very
centralized
and
slow
and
I
think
that's
why
kind
of
so
working
in
public
health
through
covid,
it's
it's
like.
It
has
just
highlighted
some
of
the
issues
with
coordinating
and
cooperating.
K
You
know
across
these
giant
groups
and
throughout
this
year
I've
kind
of
been
looking
kind
of
a
little
bit
burnt
out
and
cynical
about
those
structures.
So
just
I've
been
exploring
these
other
things
and
so
that
I
have
no
experience
working
in
a
decentralized
organization,
but
I'm
really
fascinated
how
it
works
and
yeah
I
mean
I
think
you
know
mata
verde.
K
You
said
that
knowledge
is,
is
power
and
that's
not
you
know,
that's
not
really
the
game
that
the
people
in
this
space
are
playing,
but
the
people
outside
it
still
are
so
there's
there's
some.
K
You
know
you
said
you
might
be
hesitant
to
talk
about
the
the
things
you're
doing
and
the
things
you're
working
towards,
and
that
makes
sense
if
those
people
aren't
aren't
playing
that
same
game.
You
know
that
could
be
used
for
them
to
gain
power
too.
So
I
don't
know
different
topic.
K
B
Griff
didn't
have
any
reflections
because
I
I've
heard
you
mention
about
being
involved
with
burning
man,
so
I
thought
maybe
that
would
be
had
be
some
good
fodder,
for
you
know
decentralized
organizations,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
more
there's
a
lot
more
ways
that
decentralization
impacts
us
in
the
real
world.
Then
we
than
we
really
recognize
immediately,
and
I
don't
remember
who
said
it
but
someone.
You
know
we
are
mentioned
that
we
are
set
up
in
this
very
authoritative
structure.
B
That's
something
that
marshall
rosenberg
talks
about
a
lot
and
I
think
gravity
will
get
into
more
as
as
time
goes
on
juan.
Do
you
do
you
have
any
juan
carlos?
Do
you
have
any
anything
for
us
right
now.
A
Well,
no,
I
am
super
excited
about
the
differences
and
the
similitudes
that
we
have
showed
in
this
group,
because
there
are
people
with
a
lot
of
experience
like
metaverde
and
grief,
but
and
but
there
are
also
people
with
less
experience,
and
I
I
think
it's
very
nice
that
we
are
complementing
like
experience
with
curiosity
as
well
and
that
we
and
that
the
people
that
is,
that
has
experience,
is
not
being
like
yeah.
A
I
I
have
experience
and
I'm
being
selfish
with
what
I
have
learned,
but
that
we
are
all
learning
in
in
in
this
moment
and
that
we
all
are
are
seeing
this
change
and
from
from
the
traditional
world
and
way
of
organizing
and
and
getting
to
understand
this,
something
that
that
is
nascent
and
ascent
field
and
that
there
are
no
like,
like
other
other
or
the
other
things,
that
we
can
have.
Comparisons
to.
I
mean
like
right
now
we
can
have.
A
We
can
compare
ourselves
to
the
dao
experience,
but
when,
when
the
dao
experience
happened
like
it
didn't
have
any
any
any
any
point
of
comparison,
and
maybe
we
can
have
like
one
or
two
points,
of
course
comparisons.
A
But
they
are
like
really
new
and
and
recent,
as
I
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
brief,
but
you
told
me
like
there
are
a
few
organizations
that
have
successfully
implemented
the
bonding
court
and
that,
like
one
of
them,
is
nexus
mutual
and
that
there
are
few
organizations
and
that
what
we're
doing
is
super
like
on
the
frontier
not
only
of
knowledge
and
of
technical
knowledge,
but
it's
also
being
complemented
with
something
very
open
and
with
the
whole
cultural,
build
that
that
is
super
interesting.
A
And
that
is
like
something
that
that's
so
much
value
as
a
repeatable
pattern
of
the
way
of
of
making
comments
around
things
and
that
it's
it
would
be
super
great
if
we
can
continue
making
comments
out
of
of
our
things.
The
way
that
we
are
doing
the
comments
out
of
token
engineering
and
yeah.
I
that's
like
the
reflection
I
have
from
from
this
question.
A
Does
anyone
want
to
say
something
else
or
we
can
jump
to
the
topics?
We
are
like
a
little
bit
bit
late
in
the
call,
but
we
don't
have
any
hurry.
D
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
so
much
of
what
you
guys
were
reflecting
on,
I
actually
do
feel
like
this
deliberately
developmental
organization
idea
is
not
it's
like
the
evolved
version
of
the
dao.
It's
not
necessarily
something
that
see
what
I
hear
also
just
to
be.
When
I
lived
in
an
ashram,
we
often
kind
of
reflected
on
how
awesome
it
was
to
live
there
and
how
cool
everything
was
and
there's
this
sort
of
story.
D
We
keep
telling
ourselves
about
how
how
great
it
all
is
and
and
so
on,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
to
keep
in
mind
that
there
are
potentially
other
things
that
we
could
evolve
into
a
lot
of
the
things
that
I
read
in
the
ddo
space
sound
like
what
livy
is
talking
about
around
fractalizing
and
this
kind
of
thing
so,
and
it's
also
true
that
I've,
I
felt
myself
sort
of
reacting
against
the
centralized
idea
and
it's
like
yeah
decentralization,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
once
we're
decentralized,
we
do
have
freedom
of
this
freedom
of
idea
and
thinking
we're
going
to
want
to
go
somewhere
with
that.
D
You
know
further
into
that,
and
so
I'm
just
suggesting
that
once
we
get
into
that
situation
to
be
prepared
to
succeed,
maybe
in
a
way
that
perhaps
we
didn't
think
about
previously,
that's
it.
B
Yeah,
I
think
we
could
put
some
developmental
organization
on
the
list
of
topics
to
explore.
At
least
I
I
know,
I'm
I'm
interested.
A
Okay,
now,
let's
get
into
the
more
like
like
working
part
of
of
this
call,
and
we
were
talking
in
transparency
that
it's
recommended
that
the
working
group
calls
have
a
moderator,
and
this
working
group
currently
doesn't
have
a
moderator.
A
So
I
want
to
know
if
anyone
wants
to
be
the
moderator
of
this
call,
and
what
that
means
is
that
this
person
can
help
me
like
if,
if,
if
there
is
any
intrudence
in
the
call-
or
maybe,
if
I
am
talking
too
much-
or
I
am
like
like
exceeding
times
or
like
things
are
going
through,
the
branches
like
this
moderator
can
can
lead
the
discussion
and
say
like
like
hey.
A
Let's,
let's
move
to
the
to
that
point,
he
or
she
can
also
like
help
me
if
one
day,
I
cannot
do
this
a
call,
and
I
can
like
yeah,
rely
on
on
the
moderator
to
to
lead
this
call
and
yeah
also
to
to
keep
track
of
praise,
because
I
I
have
seen
that
it's
been
like
a
little
bit
hard
for
me
to
to
to
this
phrase
in
the
moment
of
this
call.
So
I
would
also
like
appreciate
help
from
the
moderator
in
this,
so
anyone
wants
to
be
the.
J
Yeah,
so
I
would
say
yeah
I
want
to
be
a
moderator,
as
I
expressed.
I
want
to
be
more
involved
in
this
group
because
it's
it's
something
I'm
familiar
with
in
terms
of
communication
influence
and
conflict
management.
I
think
something
that
also
does
not
get
talked
about
a
lot
is
we
have
a
lot
of.
J
We
have
a
lot
of
psychological
biases,
maybe
thought
of
as
bugs,
and
these
are
things
that
kind
of
short
circuit
or
interaction
with
our
people
and
and
that's
something
that
I
think
also
would
be
interesting
exploring
going
on.
But
I
don't
wanna,
I
don't
wanna
as,
as
you
know,
want
to
be
a
moderator.
I
don't
want
to
talk
out
of
out
of
turn,
there's
there's
an
agenda
but
yeah.
I
I
I
volunteer.
D
Yeah
second,
that
manu
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
separately
about
that
if
we
could
yeah,
I.
J
I
I'm
very
interested
in
your
in
the
the
way
you
talked
about
non-duality
and
you
bring
in
a
very
interesting,
like
spiritual
perspective,
into
this,
I'm
very
interested
in
that
as
well,
and
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
that
too
separately.
Thank
you.
A
C
C
That
gravity
calls
are
taking,
particularly
towards
the
the
gravitons
that
completed
the
training
and
if
there
is
perhaps
points
of
of
each
section
that
was
discussed
during
the
trainings
that
can
be
like
brought
back
and
and
if,
if
it's
valuable
or
not,
to
have
some
type
of
separation
between
the
involvement
that
gravitons
have
rather
than
people
that
didn't
go
through
the
training
or
how
people
that
didn't
go
through?
This
training
can
support
in
the
best
way
and
and
perhaps
be
the
moderator.
C
But
what
type
of
knowledge
does
this
person
has
to
have
and
how
how
to
yeah
how
to
shape
the
path
moving
forward?.
A
That
is
like
an
amazing
point
levy,
and
I
was
thinking
that
yeah.
A
Maybe
it
would
be
really
good
if
we
can
have
like
like
yes,
something
organized
around
this,
but
my
my
first
idea
would
be
that
this
call
is
is,
is
is
public
because
it's
for
for
the
workflow
and
roadmap
of
of
gravity
as
a
working
group,
but
the
call
with
gravitons
can
can
be
like
confidential
and
and
can
follow
different
like
procedures
that
the
ones
that
that
this
call
has,
because
maybe
if,
when
we
have
like
a
graviton,
call
pro
with
a
proper
to
talk
about
a
conflict,
maybe
we
wouldn't
use
discord
and
I
think
that
maybe
the
moderator
can
be
like
for
for
this
call.
A
That
is
public,
but
for
sure
we
can
have
like
when,
when,
when
there
are
more
like
things
to
do
like
on
the
execution
part,
we
can
have
like
another
meeting
that
is
especially
focused
on
the
on
the
conflict
management.
A
A
A
We
haven't
talked
about
it,
yet
we
are
like
planning
and
we
are
still
polishing
certain
things
and
yeah.
We
want
also
to
engage
other
communities
in
this
new
training,
so
it
would
be
very
good
if
we
can
have
like
a
very
diverse
like
target,
because
right
now,
mainly
the
gravitons
are
from
the
tc,
and
it
would
be
really
great
if
we
can
have
gravitons
from
other
communities.
So
we
are
making
this
like
lobby
and
also
like
consolidating
the
first
generation
of
gravitons,
so
that
yeah
we
can.
A
We
can
keep
moving
so
that
that's
why
it's
so
important.
The
next
point
of
the
agenda.
That
is
the
gravity
survey,
and
I
don't
know
that.
Then,
if
you
want
to
show
some
of
the
updates
of
the
gravity
survey,
I
can
share
the
screener.
You
can
do
it
as
well.
B
To
say
I
met,
I
did
the
playlist.
B
B
B
B
Okay,
you
can
see
me
okay,
so
I
took
some
inspiration
from
working
groups
survey
document
where
I'm
actually
gonna
paste
that
in
there
right
now,
this
best
practices.
B
That's
fine
yeah,
so
yeah
I
took
the
best
practices
took
inspiration
from
best
practices
of
the
omega
working
group
and
wrote
some
research
goals
at
that.
I
also
am
hoping
can
double
as
introduction
to
people
taking
the
survey,
but
that's
that's
very
welcoming
to
feedback
on
that
and
people
to
come
in
and
see
how
they
feel
about
the
phrasing
and
etc.
B
Now
we're
on
below
that
observations,
feelings
needs
requests.
Ofnr
is
a
nomin,
a
framework
from
non-violent
communication
that
we
can
use
to
to
to
like
analyze
and
and
better
understand,
both
the
creation
of
the
survey
and
the
responses
that
people
bring
into
us.
B
So
those
observation
without
evaluation
feelings,
you
know
whether
our
needs
are
met
or
unmet,
will
reflect
in
our
feelings
and
we
all
have
the
same
needs
and
the
requests
are
respecting
the
needs
of
all
parties.
That's
like
just
the
general
idea
of
ofnr
that
can
be
applied.
I
B
I
think
is
important
to
keep
in
mind.
Is
you
know,
for
one
thing,
this
we're
asking
questions
that
could
be
sensitive.
People
are
going
to
talk
about
people
that
they
work
with.
You
know
if
we
want
to
get
the
best
results,
we
want
to
be
able
to
really
ensure
that
people
that
their
privacy
is
going
to
be
protected
and
like
gdpr
is
real
and
it
would
just
be.
B
I
don't
know
how
we
can
do
this,
but
somehow,
whether
it's
after
we
get
this
the
response,
if
we
can
somehow
separate
their
name
and
their
email
from
so
that
if
we
have
like
a
data
leak
and
this
whole
thing
gets
out
there,
it's
not
correlated
with
everybody's
personal
information,.
B
B
D
When
I
use
hubspot
hubspot
has
a
tremendous
amount
of
built-in
gpdr
compliance
stuff
when
it
comes
to
collecting
information
and
other
things,
we
had
previously
had
a
conversation
about
how
we
were
gonna,
perhaps
use
hubspot
in
some
capacity.
I
just
wanted
to
see.
I
don't
know
where
that
went
to,
but
I'm
sure
it's
also
true
that
things
like
surveymonkey
and
other
other
stuff
would
also
have
built-in
gpdr
compliance
stuff.
D
So
what
I
was
just
suggesting
is
that
maybe
we
could
review
what
what
stuff
we're
already
using
with
respect
to
that
kind
of
thing
and
then
see
if
we
could
leverage
it.
So,
thanks.
B
Yeah,
that's
great.
I
just
know
that
with
type
form,
which
is
what
we've
been
using
for
a
lot
of
things
typeform
they
we
are
responsible
for
all
that
type
of
you
know
so
right,
yeah.
D
I
D
B
Check
out
hubspot,
I
added
that
in
a
note,
so
that's
yeah,
and
I
I
I
didn't
like
delve
too
deeply
into
that-
there's
probably
a
a,
but
it's
just
something
good
to
consider.
So
thank
you
for
that
figured
us.
B
Yeah
and
this
the
the
needs
behind
the
conflict
section
definitely
came
directly
from
the
inspiration
of
durgadess
who
shared
this
wheel
of
needs,
and
then
I
took
all
the
conflicts
that
had
been
collected
between
just
some
little
bit
of
research.
I
did
and
what
juan
carlos
said
collected
in
a
previous
document
and
I
actually
broke
them
down
into.
I
came
up
with
a
I
need
it,
okay,
so
there's.
B
The
idea
is
that
everybody
has
the
same
needs
and
that
we
should
all
come
up
with
a
need
vocabulary
of
like
nine
or
ten
words
that
in
your
regular
language,
express
human
need
in
that,
and
so
that's
what
I
did
is
I
I
try
to
find
the
words
that
best
describe
those
core
universal
needs
that
I
feel
comfortable
using
in
my
language
and
then
I
broke
down
all
the
example.
Conflicts,
and
I
highlighted
and
italicized
all
need
words,
and
so
the
idea
is.
B
Is
just
that
if
we
focus
on
okay,
we
all
have
the
same
needs
and
we
don't
get
addicted
to
our
strategies
for
fulfilling
those
needs
that
all
the
needs
can
be
met,
and
that
is
basically
that's
the
core
of
you
know
kind
of
conflict
resolution
in
a
non-violent
communication
kind
of
idea.
D
Can
I
just
rephrase
that
a
little
bit
yeah,
the
the
thing
that
I
take
out
of
this
is
the
core
of
conflict
resolution
to
me
is
to
make
sure
that
all
the
participants
don't
create
enemy
images
out
of
each
other,
and
so,
as
I
brought
spiral,
dynamics
and
integral
theory,
and
these
other
things
in
it
was
with
this
view
that
it
would
be
possible
to
understand
the
perspective
of
these
people,
where
they're
coming
from,
as
opposed
to
creating
an
enemy
image
out
of
them
and
sort
of
stopping
my
ability
to
have
an
open
ear
toward
what
it
is
that
they
have
going
on.
D
So
so
everything
else
that
I've
sort
of
brought
to
the
group
has
been
sort
of
based
in
this
core
thing
that
I
learned
out
of
nvc,
which
was
to
not
create
an
enemy
images
out
of
people.
And
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
understood
why
I
had
kind
of
would
have
motivated
me
to
bring
that
stuff
in
and-
and
that
was
a
big
lesson
that
I
got
of
years
of
making
these
nvc
groups.
So
I
just
wanted
to
maybe
point
that
out.
A
Well,
we
are
in
the
top
of
the
hour,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
coming
and
also
congratulate
dan,
because
this
is
amazing-
and
I
think
that
this
guide
over.
D
A
Of
like
having
needs
and
like
how
can
we
find
those
needs
can
be
super
helpful
in
the
in
our
organization
in
the
entire
ecosystem,
so
yeah,
we
can
for
sure
keep
working
on
this
and
great
job.
B
Okay,
I
just
have
one
thing
really
quick
before
we
all
go,
if
you
know
just
a
little
homework
assignment,
if
you
can
find
10
minutes
or
20
minutes
to
check
out
this
gravity
survey
document
I'll
drop
the
link
in
the
chat
and
check
out
those
needs
in
the
the
needs
behind
the
conflict
section
and
just
please,
you
know
just
put
a
comment
or
write
in
there.
If
you
have
any
words
that
you
feel
better
express
that
need.