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5:02 - Forum terms review
7:34 - Proposal terms - Community Pledge
29:48 - Finalize IH Distribution Terms
31:50 - Legal aspects of a DAO
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A
Welcome
sebastian:
let's
start
with
the
round
the
weekly
question
so
ivy
you
want
to
start
weekend
plans.
B
Okay,
I
actually
don't.
I
have
made
plans
with
my
with
the
new
friends
I
met
here
in
burakai,
but
my
mom
is
in
the
hospital.
I
guess
of
course,
so
I
don't
know
if
my
favorites
will
push
through
with
my
plans
or
because
I
have
to
call
them
coordinated
with
them
and
yeah.
So
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
made
plans
for
me
this
weekend.
C
I
am
going
to
at
my
parents
house,
that's
like
the
lockdown
plan
and
I
will
spend
the
weekend
there
and
yeah.
I
be
the
my
best
wishes
for
some
recovery.
I
will
pass
to
sean.
D
The
same
thoughts,
I
hope
your
mom
recovers
nice
and
easily
for
this
weekend.
I
don't
think
we're
leaving
town,
so
I
think
we'll
stay
in
la
and
get
some
time
to
hang
out
with
the
kid
and
that's
pretty
much
it
back
to
you.
Santi.
A
E
We
can
plants
hang
out
with
the
sun,
move
spring
cleaning
and
I'm
just
joining
because
I'm
very
interested.
I
want
to
know
what
the
legal
track
is
up
to
I'm
looking
at
the
this
thing
called
private
membership
associations
in
the
us
and
see,
if
there's
overlapping,
in
what
the
work
you
guys
are
doing.
A
F
Well,
it
won't
be
nearly
as
fun
as
last
weekend
where
I
got
to
see
sean.
Well,
that's,
that's
that's
not
true
it'll
it'll
it
will
be
almost
as
if
it
will
be
home.
I
will
be
hanging
out
with
my
girlfriend
in
san
francisco.
We're
gonna
go
have
like
a
date
day.
Tomorrow
we
haven't
lorelai
and
many
of
you
know
lorelei.
I
haven't
seen
her.
We
we've
been
hanging
out
this
week
again.
Finally,
but
I
haven't
had
like
a
full
date
day,
really
we
kind
of
had
like
wednesday
night.
F
We
took
some
time,
but
tomorrow
will
be
like
full
day
couples
retreat
and
then
back
to
the
grind,
I
mean
honestly.
I
really
want
to
take
the
lessons
we
learned
from
the
mvv
and
token
log
and
apply
that
to
the
hatcher
prams,
because
it's
time
like
we
can
actually,
I
saw
nate
and
craig
in
person,
and
we
did
hatcher
params
con.
We
can
we
they.
I
got
them
both
to
propose
some
hatch
prams.
You
know
and
that's
going
to
be
my
mission
this
weekend,
yeah
you're
meeting
someone
every
other
day,
man.
A
Cool
all
right,
perfect,
all
right.
The
purpose
of
the
call
today
is
just
to
dig
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
proposal
terms
I
was
reviewing.
I
won't
be
able
to
be
on
the
call
this
afternoon.
I
was
reviewing
the
the
issues
with
time
this
morning
and
I
we
check
the
the
hatching
terms
and
there's
the
missing
parameters.
So
once
we
have
those
chosen,
we
have
to
remember
to
put
them
on
the
document
and
get
it
get
finalized
all
right.
A
So
you
wanna
you
wanna,
lead.
D
Hey
guys,
sorry
about
that,
I'm
on
my
ipad.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
share
the
document
santi.
Can
you.
A
A
A
A
Just
wanted
to
jump
into
that
real
quick
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
updated
or
we
need
to
update
it.
A
I
A
J
A
A
G
A
Let's
jump
into
the
proposal
terms,
and-
and
we
will
we
I
can-
we
can
just
take
a
look
at
that
libya
later
on
or
or
next
week,
and
see
if
we
can
update
those
terms
or
get
rid
of
those
and
work
on
new
ones
if
they
don't
have
any
sense
at
all.
D
So,
just
last
week
the
last
point
we
talked
about
changing
our
suggestion,
discussion
here
and
libby
mentioned
telling
community
members
that
suggestion
should
be
moved
over
to
the
forums
or
discord
to
be
discussed.
Obviously,
we
still
have
to
keep
the
abstain
proposal.
D
D
Thank
you,
staking's
better
word
and
therefore
raising
the
level
of
support
needed
for
any
any
pending
proposal
to
pass
yep
so
scroll
down
a
little
bit,
please
griff
and
then
going
into
the
proposals.
Last
week
we
talked
about
looking
at
the
covenant
that
onehive
uses.
D
D
If
we're
dealing
with
the
same
issues
that
one
hive
is,
but
basically
what
it
does
is
it
says,
look
you
know.
Obviously,
everyone
here
is
trying
to
build
a
better
future,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know.
Obviously,
tec
is
a
digital
currency
duh,
but
issued
and
distributed
pro
programmatic.
D
F
I
would
say
that
this
community
pledge
will
need
to
be
voted
on
almost
or
it
will
need
to
be
approved
by
the
hatch
dial,
and
I
don't
know
if
we'll
use
the
same
mvv
process
or
what
but
we'll
need
to
do
something
similar.
Where
you
know
we
have
like
some
iterations
on
this
community
pledge.
D
That's
that's
fine
and
then
what
we
basically
do
is
talk
about
on
chain
management.
Obviously
I
think
I
accurately
describe
how
celeste
works
here.
D
But
my
assumption
is:
if
someone
has
to
stake
tec
or
or
xdi,
or
whatever
token
it
is
I'll,
have
to
do
in
order
to
to
invoke
celeste
dispute
resolution,
my
assumption
is
well
probably
the
person
making
the
proposal
has
to
do
the
same
thing
as
well.
D
Yeah
I
mean
this
whole
document.
I
mean
this
whole
section
is
going
to
have
to
be
a
proposal,
so
I
guess
I
guess
it
may
not
be
able
to
be
voted
on
until
the
last
is
voted
on,
because
if
celeste
is
voted
down,
then
obviously
the
section
on
the
dispute
resolution
doesn't
make
sense.
Although
the
rest
of
the
document,
the
rest
of
the
community
pledge,
might
so,
and
then
it's
just
it's
just
what
I
think
is
hopefully
an
accurate
description
of
how
celeste
works
participants
in
the
alternative
dispute
resolution
protocol.
D
They
review
the
proposal,
the
covenant,
they're
related
past
speech,
and
then
they
provide
a
judgment.
I'm
pretty
sure
celeste
is
a
subjective
oracle,
not
not
an
objective
oracle.
D
But
if
the
proposal
wins,
then
it's
unlocked
and
the
state
amount
goes
to
the
proposer.
On
the
other
hand,
if
the
dispute
is
upheld,
then
again
I
don't
know
if
this
has
to
be
true,
but
if
you
have
to
stake
in
order
to
make
a
proposal,
then
that
money,
you
know
those
tokens
would
have
to
go
to
the
person
who
won
the
dispute,
and
then
one
hive
has
a
paragraph
on
off
chain
enforcement,
which
is
basically
a
look
there.
D
There
is
no,
there
really
is
nothing
formal
off
chain
to
enforce
anything
other
than
you
know,
kind
of
reputational
harm,
and
so
I
I
used
a
pretty
similar
paragraph
here.
If
we
want
we
might
just
want
to
at
the
top
of
this
pledge
grip.
Just
add
a
note
saying
it's
going
to
have
to
be
voted
on.
D
E
A
F
Especially
if
celeste
has
problems
in
the
next
month,
but
they
they
will
have
to
to
create
a
proposal.
They
will
have
to
check
these
two
and
so
and
they'll
have
to
put
down
a
deposit.
F
A
A
Should
we
treat
different
if,
if
it's
someone
from
the
community
posting
the
proposal
and
being
chased
through
celeste
or
should
we
do
them
exactly
the
same
way
if
they
are
outside
of
the
community
or
I'm
thinking
on
on
the
consequences,
as
as
sean
said,
if
it's
someone
outside
the
community
there's
nothing,
we
can
do
of
of
change,
but
if
it's
somewhere
in
the
community
there
could
be
something
we
could
do
if
we
wanted
concerning
the
community.
Like
I
don't
know,
we
cannot
kick
them
out.
A
F
C
But
that
is
included
in
in
the
graduated
sanctions,
so
it's
like
a
possibility,
but
we
don't
have
like
a
step
by
step
on
or
a
clear
path
or
on.
How
is
it
going
to
be
applied
this
this.
I
Could
be
helpful,
I
think
awareness
is
always
a
good
approach
rather
than
like
trying
to
enforce
something
that
it's
not
enforceable
because
it
soft
off
so
maybe
just
having
some
type
of
flagging
system
when
when
something
has
been
disputed
or
like
how
long
a
person
is
a
member
of
the
community,
or
I
don't
know
some
things
to
signal,
trust.
A
Yeah,
I'm
not
discussing
the
way
to
manage.
I
I
think
flagging
is
perfect,
but
I'm
just
bringing
into
the
table
if
we
want
to
make
a
distinction
between
members
of
the
community
that
are
regularly
dealing
in
the
community
with
decisions
and
voting
for
members
outside
of
the
community,
which
they
are
completely
out
of
our
control.
D
I
think
that
same
situation
kind
of
arises
again
where,
if
someone
from
outside
the
community
makes
a
proposal-
and
that
proposal
is
not
good,
if
it's
a
great
proposal,
then
there's
really
no
problem.
If
an
outside
you
know,
if
a
non-common
community
member,
you
know,
makes
a
really
good
proposal,
everyone's
ecstatic
about
that.
D
But
if
it's
a
malicious
proposal
or
something
that
sort
of
you
know
unbecoming
the
community,
then
celeste
is
really
there
to
kind
of
handle
that
situation
and
presumably,
over
the
course
of
of
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
adr
alternative
dispute
resolution.
You
know
as
part
of
the
adr,
then
that
should
be
handled
optically.
D
I
don't
think
I
love
the
idea
of
creating
a
rule
saying
if
you
are
a
you
know,
a
new
member
to
the
community
or
or
an
unfamiliar
member
of
the
community,
that
you
need
twice
a
level
of
support
in
order
to
get
a
proposal
passed,
whereas
oh
santi's
been
a
member
for
a
year.
Therefore,
if
he
makes
a
proposal,
the
threshold
is
lower,
just
optically,
I
just
think
new
members
may
not
love
the
way.
That
looks
because
it
just
looks
like
insiders
have
more
control.
F
D
I
know
I
can
make
the
case
that
actually
it's
the
other
way
and
that
it
shows
that
community
members
are,
you
know,
treated
well
in
the
community.
I
get
that,
but
I
just
think
optically,
I
don't
love
it
and
since
you
have
celeste
there
to
deal
with
bad
proposals,
that's
where
I
would
probably
put
my
you
know
my
stock.
I
Yeah,
I
don't
think
there
should
be
any
distinction
to
of
like
new
community
members
or
old
community
members,
and
I
think
I
imagine
celeste
would
actually
be
used
more
for,
like
trusted
community
members
rather
than
random
people
that
join
because
when
someone
random
joins
it
and
proposes
something
ridiculous.
It's
very
easy
for
that
to
be
like.
I
Put
aside
like
a
comment
in
the
forum,
like
all
of
the
reputation
of
the
people
that
are
seeing,
that
and
don't
agree
would
create
a
very
easy
like
soft,
like
solution,
I
think,
but
then,
if
it
is
something
crazy
coming
from
a
trusted
community
member,
then
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
use
the
last
because
opinions.
F
I
E
There
is
some
precedence
in
the
swiss
federal
government
structure,
where
private
citizens
can
bring
legislation
proposals
to
the
government
and
they
require
a
few
thousand
signatures,
but
not
like
overwhelmingly
amount
of
signatures,
and
that
seems
to
be
an
equal
like
a
way
to
mitigate
the
legislation.
Private
citizens
and
they
can
pass
actually
they
can
get.
Citizens
can
actually
get
lost
through
it's
an
interesting
approach.
D
Yeah
yeah,
yeah
and
yeah
I
mean
switzerland
does
something
on
on
the
national
level.
That's
very
similar.
D
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
it's
a
really
interesting
idea
if
it
were
to
be
a
problem-
and
I
think
I
think
it
can
be
dealt
with
in
the
event
that
there
is
any
malicious
proposal
that
comes
in
from
a
non-community
member
that
passes
right,
because
if
they
don't
pass,
it's
not
an
issue
that
if,
if
these
malicious
proposals
pass
or
start
passing
that
you
then
in
theory,
could
you
know
try
to
make
a
proposal
that
changes
the
parameters
and
you
know
affects
either
how
much
you
have
to
stake
in
order
to
make
a
proposal
to
make
new
members
pay
more
in
order
to
make
a
proposal
or
that
this
level
of
support
necessary
to
pass
has
to
be
higher.
D
I
don't
know
how
exactly
you
figure
that
out
in
terms
of
programming
it,
but
I
I
assume
that
those
are
ways
that
that
could
be
dealt
with.
I
don't
think
unless
it's
a
problem,
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
dealt
with
now,
unless
I'm
way
off.
F
Well,
basically,
there's
an
execution
delay.
That's
on
our
side,
so
it's
part
of
the
parameters
of
the
of
the
vote.
D
D
Choice,
I
mean
obviously,
while
a
proposal
exists
like
before
it
even
passes,
I
presume
you
should
be
able
to
say,
hey
look.
This
is
not
a
good
proposal
like
why
wait
for
it
to
pass
before.
Having
to
you
know,
start
the
dispute,
but
then
how
long
after
it
passes
should
people
have.
F
If,
if
the
proposal
has
a
change
in
vote
near
the
end,
then
there'll
be
an
added
period
like
if
the
results
change
at
the
end
of
the
voting
duration,
then
there's
actually
added
time
at
the
end,
so
that
controversial
decisions
have
more
voters
have
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
then
there's
an
execution
delay
at
the
end
of
that,
that's
usually
more
like
a
day
or
two
days,
and
that's
so
that
if
people
disagree
they
can
exit
through
the
bonding
curve
before
it
passes
and
then
and
then
it
executes
once
it's
executed.
C
What
I
think
is
that
there
should
be
like
a
mixed
approach
and
like
yeah.
F
C
The
time
before
going
to
celeste
there
should
be
this
alternative
dispute
resolution
process
where
well,
in
the
gravity
type
form.
You
can
flag
a
proposal
and
our
criteria
or
the
criteria
that
we
have
said
like
to
intervene
or
to
approach
a
proposal
if
it's
if
it
receives
more
than
three
flags.
C
So
if
three
members
of
the
community
flag,
a
proposal
with
through
the
gravity
type
form,
any
graviton
can
approach
the
proposer
to
say
like
hey,
some
people
is
flagging.
Your
proposal.
This
is
what
we
think,
or
this
is
what
they
think
that
can
make
your
proposal
better
and
yeah
all
that,
in
parallel
of
of
the
the
celeste.
C
Seeing
it
like
a
scaling
process,
if,
if,
if
the
person
does
not
like
receive
well
the
communication
given
from
the
the
the
group
of
gravitons
or
from
the
community,
then
we
move
to
celeste
but
yeah.
The
the
the
idea
of
this
is
to
to
to
only
take
to
celeste
the
things
that
are
only
solvable
to
celeste
and
that
the
things
that
can
be
solved
through
dialogue
or
through
other
methods
can
be
solved.
F
It's
worth
mentioning,
there
has
been
a
dispute
already
through
one
hive,
but
it
was
just
like
a
troll,
not
even
a
troll.
It
was
someone,
it
was
someone
in
the
community
just
being
like
yo.
Give
me
money.
Try
this
you
know,
and
then
let's
dispute
this,
you
know
I
mean
they
they're
and,
and
I
mean
the
first
step,
is
like
it
doesn't
go
to
celeste
someone
disputes
it
and
puts
up
some
money,
and
then
then
the
person
who
put
the
deposit
down
has
to
then
bring
it
to
celeste.
F
So,
like
you
know,
most
of
the
time
it
just
someone
disputes
it
and
they're
like
oops,
okay,
I'll
fix
that
and
in
this
dispute
you
can
either
say,
listen,
give
me
the
deposit
and
go
and
go
away
because
you're
being
malicious
or
you
can
say,
hey
in
this
dispute,
you
can
keep
your
deposit,
but
you
can't
propose
you
need
to
fix
your
proposal,
and
so
then
the
person
can
withdraw
and
keep
their
deposit
so
that
that
option
exists
as
a
polite.
Like
oh
hey,
you
forgot
to
post
in
the
forum.
F
You
know
you
can
get
your
deposit
back,
but
we're
not
going
to
vote
on
this.
I
D
D
Like
such
an
interesting
way
to
solve
disputes
that
involve
people
because
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
I've,
I've
never
thought,
oh,
you
can
just
solve
it
on
chain
or
by
looking
at
the
code.
That's
not
you
know.
You're
looking
at
is
a
proposal,
a
good
idea
or
a
bad
idea
or
is
something
getting
you
know
proposed
correctly.
D
That's
subjective
and
you're
gonna
need
people
to
make
decisions
on
that.
We
just
can't
necessarily
do
that.
You
know
looking
at
looking
at
code,
so
I'm
really
interested
to
see
systems
of
dispute
resolution
that
have
people
involved.
D
Get
them
to
stay
involved,
how
to
get
them
to
engage,
how
to
get
them
to
pay
attention
and
what
information
are
they
allowed
or
not
allowed
to
look
at
I'm,
I
can't
wait.
A
D
D
Yeah,
I
think
so
I
think
what
I'll
move
on
to
now
is.
You
know,
there's
a
couple
more
sections
still
to
be
filled
out
in.
A
Perfect,
I
just
was:
I
just
wanted
to
bring
the
table
the
review
that
that
we
agreed
to
go
over
on
the
phrase
distribution.
Did
you
have
a
chance
to
check
those?
Can
we
consider.
D
D
D
So
I
think
I
got
that
is
that
covered
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
needed
to
do
in
here.
Can
you
slow
down.
D
And
that
we
needed
to
juan
carlos
went
in,
and
I
added
the
gravity
gravity
section
on
it
and
I
looked
at
it
and
I
thought
I
thought
it
read
fine,
and
so
I
I
think
this
is
in
terms
of
what
we
needed
to
get
through
on
this
document.
I
think
we're
there.
A
Document
and
we
can
always
come
back
if
we
need
to
or
if
anyone
brings
it
to
the
discussion
great,
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
other
any
other
discussions
here
from
any
any
one
of
the
members.
It'd
be
glad
we
have
some
time.
If,
if
sebastian
can
you
can
introduce
yourself
and
just
the
rest
of.
E
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
don't
know,
I
haven't
been
following
exactly
detail,
what
you
guys
doing,
but
the
legal
aspect
of
this
is
more
in
terms
of
how
to
pair
to
legal,
real
world
legal
aspects
of
how
how
the
footprint
of
a
dao
or
any
any
of
these
structures
has
implications
on
on
real
commerce
and
real.
E
You
know
real
statues
and
evil
geographies
and
and
what's
like
I've
seen
maker
dao
has
they
have
done
some
stuff
where
they
have
a
an
actual.
E
F
F
E
E
Meta
factory,
it
was
one
of
the
guys
who
makes
one
of
the
guys
who
makes
a
merchandise.
I
don't
know
what
they
do
so
they
actually
had.
They
have
a
real
world
business
entity
and
the
dao,
and
for
me,
I'm
really
curious
to
see
how.
How
would
that
happen-
and
I
understand
that
it's
geographically
difficult
because
it
you
know,
laws,
change
every
100
miles.
E
So
it's
it's
mind-boggling
to
see,
because
eventually
there
should
be
some
connection
to
real
world
economies,
not
just
everything.
Well,
it's
it's.
We
don't
exist.
That's
all.
D
Because
it's
because
I
I
wish
there
was
a
good
answer,
I
wish
there
was
something
that
was
even
reproaching
it's
such
a
good
question.
It's
deserving
of
a
good
answer
and
there
isn't
one
because
the
answer
so
far
is
we.
We
don't
know
like
we.
We
don't
know
what
it
looks
like
we
know.
A
state
in
america
is
doing
the
first
sort
of
legalizing
of
the
formation
of
daos,
so
we
have
an
actual
state
in
wyoming,
saying,
hey,
look.
D
D
We
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
work.
We
don't
know
how,
like
legal
endow,
don't
exactly
mesh
that.
Well,
because
you
don't
record
legal
calls
in
the
real
world.
You
don't,
and
you
might
have
legal
counsel
around,
to
give
a
speech
here
and
there
or
presentation
on
something.
But
you
would
never
have
advice
given
to
you
as
a
company
and
then
recorded
for
the
world
to
see
that
gets
rid
of
privilege,
which
is
like
the
cornerstone
of
the
legal
world.
So
I
don't
know
how
that
works,
but
at
the
same
time,
dowels.
D
E
D
And,
and
so
it's
it's
gals
look
like
those
organizations,
because
it's
committed
community
members
dealing
with
sort
of
you
know
intensely
unique
situations
to
what
they're
dealing
with,
except
it's
writ
large,
where
you're
trying
to
do
this
over
the
course
of
like
you
know,
anyone
in
the
world
can
access
it
and
interact
with
it
and
potentially,
you
know,
participate
in
it
and
that's
really
unique.
So
in
some
ways
it
looks
really
familiar
we're
like
yeah,
it's
you
know
it's
a
small
club
getting
together
and
trying
to
figure
out.
D
How
do
you
have
a
community
with
30
common
people
and
other
people
who
may
come
and
go,
but
there's
30
core
people
that'll
be
there
in
and
out
and
at
the
same
time,
if,
if
you're,
looking
at
some
of
these
larger
dowels
into
the
extent
that
they're
actually
decentralized
and
most
of
them
aren't
they're
huge
and
everyone
in
the
world
interacts
with
them
and
you're
right,
the
laws
change
every
100
miles.
So
how
do
you?
D
C
Well,
yeah,
I
was
like
for
me
it's
super
interesting
because
I'm
a
political
scientist-
and
this
is
actually
like
my
passion,
like
this
area
of
of
this
great
great
space,
and
what
the
way
I
see
it
is
like
states
have
four
elements
and
what
that
are
a
nation
that
that
it's
like
a
human
aspect,
has
a
government.
That
is
an
institutional
aspect.
C
Has
a
geography
that
yeah
it's
a
like
a
spatial
aspect
and
has
a
sentiment
that
is
like
yeah,
a
feeling
of
sense
of
belonging,
and
the
only
thing
that
doubts
lack
in
in
this
is
like
the
spatial
reference
because
they
have,
they
can
have
a
sense
of
belonging,
a
government
and
a
human
aspect
and
a
human.
So
I
I
see
the
house
as
potential
or
like
of
like
decentralized
states,
and
but
I
really
like
the
way
block.
Science
is
framing
it
in
some
of
its
latest
like
articles
because
they
trade
they
talk.
C
I
E
E
For
for
actually
making
into
real
economy
too,
there's
also
the
nevada
past,
or
it's
passing
legislation
where,
if
you
you
could
have
this
autonomous
governing
geography
like
you
could
actually,
if
you,
if
you
bring
in
enough
investment,
you
can
actually
have
your
own
country
inside
of
nevada,
state
and
there's
one
blockchain
company.
That's
doing
that!
They're
building
this
blockchain
city,
which
allows
them
to
have
full
governance
above
state
law,
I
think
not
federal,
but
somewhere
they
have
a.
They
can
actually
have
weird
laws
in
there.
That's
a
bit
scary
at
the
same
time,
but
yeah.
F
I
To
hear
oh,
the
real
world
or
like,
then,
what
what
we're
doing
is
not
real.
You
know.
I
think
there
is
this
like
referring
to
the
law
or
the
state
as
things
that
are
so
established
that
they're
real
and
the
more
like
digital
ethereal
space
as
something
that
has
not
like
got
that
badge
of
realness
yet,
and
I
think
it's
as
we
are
shaping
those
new
structures.
I
We
are
creating
like
another
another
system
that
might
not
ever
comply
to
the
system
that
was
there
before,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
not
real.
Because
of
that,
because
it's
creating
something
else,
and
I
don't
understand
nothing
about
lego,
but
I
feel
like
until
we
are
until
we're
not
illegal.
I
You
know
like
until
there's
nothing
saying
like
dows
are
illegal.
I
don't
think
we
should
care
about
it
like
it
feels
like
there
is
enough
enough
space
to
mitigate
things
when
they're
in
this,
like
non
non-verbal
space.
D
Like
it's,
I
think
when,
when
people
like
me
say,
oh
there's
the
real
world
and
then
there's
what
we're
doing
it's
not.
I
mean,
obviously
I
wouldn't
be
here
if
I
didn't
think
it's
a
good
idea
or
worth
engaging
in,
but
there
is
a
sort
of
I
have
precedence
for
things
and
when
there's
precedence
for
things
it's
easier
for
me
to
say.
Well
that
is
real,
because
that
has
structure
to
it
and
I
may
not
be
able
to
predict
exactly.
D
But
if
you
gave
me
100
predictions,
I'm
probably
going
to
be
right
more
often
than
wrong
on
how
situations
turn
out
and
in
the
dow
space
there's
there's
so
little
precedent,
there's
so
little
things
to
look
back
on
and
go
well.
This
worked
and
this
didn't-
and
this
was
found
to
be
compliant
with
the
the
traditional
judicial
systems
around
it
and
these
weren't
such
that
I
can
predict
with
some
regularity.
D
This
version
is
going
to
be
okay
and
this
one's
not
there's
nothing
here
and
and
you're
right.
What
you're
doing
is
creating
it
from
scratch
and
I
think
you're
right.
The
general
view,
probably
should
be
until
you're
told
no,
that
it's
not
correct,
you
know,
go,
give
it
a
shot
and
see
what
you
can
create.
D
You
know
and
you
might
break
a
few
eggs,
but
that's
how
you
make
omelets
and
I
I
completely
agree,
but
it's
it's
certainly
not
an
idea
of
like
when
I
say,
something's
real
versus,
not
real,
that's
something
worthy
and
not
worthy.
That's
not
the
distinction.
I'm
making
real
to
me
is
just.
I
have
some
predictive
ability
with
it
and
less
real
is
we're
out
in
like
non-gravity
areas
and
we're
floating
around
and
making
the
best
decisions
we
can,
and
hopefully
they
work
out.
D
But
that's
that's
what
you're
doing
you
have
nothing
to
kind
of
anchor
to
and
go
well
we've.
We
know
that,
generally
speaking,
this
is
an
okay
decision
to
make
and
people
aren't
going
to
get
in
trouble
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
juan
carlos's
definition,
sort
of
what
a
state
is,
I
would
add,
a
fifth
element,
which
is
they
can
punish
in
a
way
that
is
considered
legal,
whereas
I
can't,
generally
speaking,
go
out
and
punish
someone
that
does
me
wrong
short
of
like
self-defense.
D
D
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
it
in
some
ways
and
not
go
too
far
out
in
terms
of
like
what
we
do,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
you're
talking
about
a
dow
that
could
conceivably
operate
over
the
course
of
six
continents,
that's
a
lot
of
potential
jurisdictions,
you're
interacting
with
and
a
lot
of
ways
to
get
in
trouble.
And-
and
that's
that's
why?
D
I'm
always
kind
of
kind
of
thinking
like
well.
I
don't
know
how
to
tell
people
one.
I
can't
be
a
lawyer
for
stuff
that
happens
in
canada.
I'm
not
licensed
to,
like
I'm
literally
told
I'm
not
supposed
to
give
advice
about
that
and
I'll
get
in
trouble,
and
I
can't
even
do
it
for
other
states.
I
can
do
it
for
california,
you
know
and
federal
law
and
then
everything
else,
that's
I
I
can't
tell
you
I
can.
D
E
E
E
E
You
know,
there's
all
these
implications
and
that's
where
it
gets
very
geographical
and
very
friction
based
of
of
legal
aspects
of
the
real
economy,
which
is
you
buy
something
that
kills
you
then
then,
and
the
tao
is
international
and
there's
no
presence
what
happens
so
so
at
some
point,
these
two
things
have
to
merge
and
it's
going
to
be
a
headache,
and
it's
probably
going
to
be.
It
probably
means
that
the
government
has
to
give
has
to
be
overhauled.
I
I
Things
because,
like
we,
we
are
like
deeply
inserted
in
a
punishment
and
reward
system,
and
it
feels
very
like
hard
to
even
imagine
what
would
be
a
system
that
didn't
rely
on
punishment
and
reward
for
incentives,
and
I
feel,
like
the
punishment
is,
is
the
bigger
part
that
it's
very
hard
to
look
at
and
that's
what
we
are
like
trying
to
like
start
to
tap
on
with
the
the
graduated
sanctions
or
something
or
like
building
a
culture
of
like
forgiveness
and
and
reintegration,
and
things
like
that,
because
this
is
the
scary
part
of
of
the
state.
I
And-
and
this
is
what
is
going
to
prove
the
legitimacy
of
the
governance
mechanisms,
we
are
creating
of
like
not
relying
completely
on
punishment
and
reward,
but
creating
other
types
of
even
space
for
motivation.
And
so.
I
E
E
No,
no,
no,
that
no
yeah
there's
exceptions
to
all
this
thing,
but
the
actual
things
that,
if
you
wanted
to
to
have
some
kind
of
traction,
there's
going
to
be
that
accountability.
That
needs
to
be
that's
why
this
state
is
there
because
there's
a
vacuum,
so
they
say:
okay,
we'll
do
it
and
then
we'll
punish-
and
you
know
it's
all
these
things
that
we've
historically
left
left
on
this
side
and
this
become
a
a
monster
that
we
cannot
grab
anymore.
So,
yes,
it's
a
nightmare,
but
how
would
a
dow
be
accountable
for
something
that
causes?
E
K
F
Yeah
exactly
and
there's
more
accountability,
because
there's
not
the
not
play
on
force
and
there's
an
economic
like
factor
right
where
there's
a
token
that
has
value,
because
people
believe
it
has
value
and
if
the
dow
all
of
a
sudden
is
not
providing
value
for
society
or
at
least
a
small
group
of
people
that
give
it
value,
then
they
will.
The
price
will
go
down.
So
there's
this
extra,
like
accountability,
layer
for
the
economic
system,.
A
By
anything
else,
anyone
wants
to
bring
anything
else
here
or
we
can
call
it
for
for
the
meeting,
no
all
right,
great
progress.
Today
we
ended
up
with
the
distribution
proposal
and
we've
moved
forward
with
the
proposal
terms,
and
hopefully
we
should
be
ending
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
I
hope
we
can
end
it
in
this
next
spring,
which
would
be
great
all
right,
yeah.